Nancy Lieder lashes out at Mark Hazlewood on Prep2003
From: zetatalk@z...
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 3:34 am
Subject: Mark Hazelwood - Ripoff Artist

Please note that the concept of a pole shift occurring in 2003 came
from ZETATALK, where you can go to get the latest information from the
source. Mark only repackages other people's work and charges for it,
when you can get it for free from <http://www.zetatalk.com>

Any and all survival discussions are likewise ongoing in the massive
Troubled Times site, also maintained by ZetaTalk. Don't settle for a
wanabe's words and attempts at leadership, go to the source.]
From: zetatalk@z...
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 10:18 am
Subject: Mark Hazelwood - Lack of Integrity

Please note that Mark Hazelwood, by his own admission, has zero
integrity. His basic approach to ripping you off is to say "why NOT?"
Below, in his own words:

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark H <planetx2003@y...

I realize what others say I should have done in using
others material. I've taken greater chances in my life.
I've flaunted the laws without causing others harm and
have frequently gotten away with it. I'm a bit of a free
spirit when it comes to being conventional. I really am
totally unconcerned about anyone going after me for
copyright infringement. I've consulted with someone who
is very aware of copyright law. He says I've referenced
way too many others to be concerned. I've been informed
if one person were to waste their time in a lawsuit
against me (which I'm told wouldn't happen for this very
reason) all others referenced in the material would have
to share.

There just may be no point for anyone to do it.

There are loopholes and different ways to conduct ones
life at every turn in this society. I've chosen mine and
am content. I live slightly on the edge with no worries.

I remember taking a writing course in High School once
and the teacher gave an unique final exam. The paper to
be written had to have a minimum of 4 words. Most wrote
rather lengthy papers and got a variety of grades. I
believe I recieved a high grade and was one of those
"Most."

One person in the class received an "A" with only 5 words
on the paper. There was one word on the blackboard in
addition to the directions of using 4 words or more. That
word was a simple question. WHY? The student who recieved
the "A" with only 5 words wrote. "Why in the hell not?"
Point being: There are many ways to achieve a goal.
Sometimes breaking the conventional rules can get you in
trouble and sometimes not.

Mark H
From: zetatalk@z...
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 10:20 am
Subject: Mark Hazelwood, in Disguise

Please note that Mark posts under various names, in support of
HIMSELF. Lee Jones, supposedly independent, posts from ISP with a
TCP/IP addy of 10.1.10.27 in wild praise of Mark and his book. Mark
is posting from an ISP with an addy of 10.1.10.26. The last number
string indicates servers or PC's within the SAME room, in essence.
Lee is probably Mark's father, who reportedly lives in Sweden. Hardly
independent.
From: zetatalk@z...
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 10:23 am
Subject: Mark Hazelwood - the 2003 Spokesperson?

Where did Mark get 2003 from? ZetaTalk, the ONLY site talking about
this since 1995. And what makes Mark the spokesperson on this? His
desire to get rick off YOU. Else why not just point to the FREE
offering of 2003 information at <http://www.zetatalk.com> and the FREE
information on survival at Troubled Times
<http://www.zetatalk.com/thub00.htm> developed by hundreds of folks over
the past few years!
Mark Hazlewood's Responses to Nancy
From: Mark H <planetx2003@y...
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 7:59 am
Subject: Re: [preparation2003] Mark Hazelwood - Ripoff Artist

To whom it may concern,

I didn't start this egroup. I followed Di to it. I do not
try to be a leader for anyone.

I absolutely have done my best to try and find or
research as many others works as possible, you are right.
I want to spread the blame for these viewpoints far and
wide. I've tryed to make sure everyone understands these
ideas are not my own but MANY others. One viewpoint is
not as strong as many that stand together. I attempt to
present the varying viewpoints in a more palatable,
organized and focused fashion than how I found them. I do
have my own lively way to present things which I think in
some ways appeals to a greater degree than any of the
individual sources where I've found the material.

I give respect to the zetatalk point of view in my book
along with several others.

I'm absolutely cetain, I've sent people to zetatalk to
consider what is there, that would have never paid it any
attention if it weren't for me. I wouldn't have given it
much credence myself if I hadn't first run across many
others material saying the same thing prior to stumbling
onto it.

I also understand that any one source is not going to cut
it with most. With Lori Toye's work you have to accept
that she speaks with ascended masters to accept it. With
Deborah Harmes, Ph.D one must be willing to appreciate
she speaks with a spiritual entity called the
Dreamkeeper. With Nancy of course its aliens.

Deborah Harnes also names 2003 in her work as the time of
the greatest events. With respect to that date I give
this url at the back of my text.
More information pointing to 2003:
<http://www.astrosite.com/__JanM3.htm>
There's a blind women that spoke well before many others
in 1994 that names 2003 that I decided not to include
because she's not well known. The leader of a spiritual
organization based in Washington state has channeled
infomation referring to 2003, this is not included in my
work. Nobody has an exclusive corner on this date for
these calamities. Some of my readers accept what I
present but not that date.

As long as the understanding that we are soon to face
calamities is in place then I've done my job of helping a
few more people. This is my motivation. I do charge for
my book, like many including Nancy of zetatalk who
charges for her book.

Sifting through 3000+ pages of zetatalk and another 3000+
pages of Troubled Times to weed out bits and pieces of
information about Planet X is not what I think most want
to do. We live in a fast food culture that wants the best
of the best presented in a consise, focused, organized
and entertaining fashion. After that, one can then choose
to accept, reject or find other sources to dig into the
material deeper.

I really wish Nancy and the zetatalk people would see me
as their allie instead of resisting or attacking me for
supporting them. I think they do realize that any and all
publicity is good publicity. Controversy draws attention
like nothing else. So, I merrily go along with the drama
if it helps. lol

Take Care all

Mark H
From: Mark H <planetx2003@y...
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: [preparation2003] Mark Hazelwood - Help or Harm?

Di,

There must be something wrong with how the emails are
arriving to me. I got this email first before I ever saw
the one from Nancy. This is not the first time this has
happened. Has anyone ever heard of this happening before
and have any inclination as to why?

Now on to what Nancy has said here. I believe someone
else said here recently that making friends and
influencing people is a talent that some of us could use
a little refresher course on. There are times in
everyones lives where we can look back and say I could
have handled that better.

I personally have learned to handle name-calling rather
well since I've gotten involved with this subject matter.
On several occasions I've turned people completely around
that started out with a lot more colorful language than
Nancy offers up here.

I am not this group and this time the name-calling was
directed at the group?, so I'm a bit at lose about how to
react to it.

I didn't start the group. I'm an equal within the group
along with everyone else. I don't lead but rather
occasionally offer an opinion like everyone else. My
thoughts and organization of better than 50 others
materials on the subject matter, may have swayed others
toward a certain greater degree of clarity on the subject
and that is all. From what I can see there's no absolute
agreement between all of us about most everything. Our
thoughts and presense here, whether expressed or not, I'm
sure, are contributing in an important way to the
awakening of a greater amount of individuals to this
important subject. From what I can see, we are helping
each other. The perfection of how God works may best be
only observed and not directed. That about sums that up
from my perspective.

(((I'd be most intertested what sort of warnings that the
up-and-coming "what's new" Oct. section of zetatalk has
in store for certain individuals.)))

There is something about me that you'all might be
interested to know. It's about my attitude towards this
current life. I'm here in this existence as long as I'm
supposed to be. I'd be just as happy somewhere else and
it matters not. I love this world and by the same token
I'd love the person or situation that took me out of it
just as well. I recognize there is only one being that
we're all a part of. I'm also intriged by the whole
spiritual/mental/physical transformations and evolutions
that are taking place everywhere with everyone. So any
and all warnings directed to be are just interesting
drama.


There was a time, almost a year ago, I stumbled blindly
into a portion of the internet that promised to make one
wealthy. I naively believed what what told to me about a
infamous program by the name of "ebiz." I thought I might
help a group of people that would put money to good use,
so I posted a blurb about it on one of the TT group
lists. I never knew if anyone got involved over there and
if anyone knows anything about "ebiz" it did not benefit
me in the slightest whether anyone got involved or not.
So, now you've got that story straight. I'm sure somebody
else can collaborate how "ebiz" worked here because I was
one of 20,000 plus people who were involved.

Mark H
From: Mark H <planetx2003@y...
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: [preparation2003] Mark Hazelwood - Lack of Integrity

Nancy,

Thank you,

I'm glad this was shown to the group. A good point is
made here. People have definitely got to start looking
outside the box for the answers and challenges that they
are about to face. Becoming an "I can do" person involves
thinking creatively and breaking lifes little "Catch
22's."

Why would you state I admitted I have no integrity?

Who did I rip off? The majority of your material about
Planet X can be found elsewhere from a vast array of
sources?

Others attack you for being a nut, and I say in my
opinion your claims are credible, what's going on here?
Why don't you accept my support and forget-a-bout-it?
Actually, you go ahead and do and say what-you-please.
This is kind of fun for me to get this sort of attention.

Take Care Nancy and take a chill pill, lol.
I still say controversy attracts attention like nothing
else. The more attention drawn to this subject, one way
or another, the more benefit from the drama.
From: Mark H <planetx2003@y...
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [preparation2003] Mark Hazelwood, in Disguise

Lee,

Are you here? I want to thank you for your posting, if
this is true. Lee Jones is another patient reader, I
might ad, I just checked my records and he is out of
Clanton, Alabama. Lee has received the electronic copy of
my book and is awaiting the hard copy like a few others.
Lee I didn't mean to draw you into to all this, all I can
say is "enjoy the ride." This subject is a hot potato at
every turn.

Mark H

Nancy,

You ARE right about me posting under different names but
YOU are the reason for that. My son is one of those names
not my dad. My dad doesn't use the internet but his
girlfriend does. I've never used those different names to
praise myself. That would be way tacky. I just set up
different email accounts in case your attempts to get me
thrown off yahoo groups worked, I'd still have a
functioning email address.

When you contacted yahoo abuse about me
and tryed unsuccessfully to get Dee from the
"earthchanges list" on your side, I wished that you would
have taken her advice an opinion, that nothing I've done
is outside of the copyright laws.

Mark H
From: Mark H <planetx2003@y...
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 2:12 pm
Subject: Nancy [preparation2003] Mark Hazelwood - the 2003 Spokesperson?

It's good to have a big ego about things. I grew up
around gigantic egos in the entertainment business, my
dad being one of them. They seem to make the most
interesting people.

There are several others that say 2003. Many come very
close to that date also. Deborah Harmes PHD the 2nd
listed intuitive in my book names 2003 for the greatest
events. You've got a whole list of indicators and other
people listed on zetatalk under 2003 indicators I don't
even bring up. David Jevons Ramala master and the late
Ruth Montgomery both said 20 years ago that the events
would happen around the turn of the century but not right
at 2000.

Several list 2003 here also. You're listed too Nancy.

More information pointing to 2003:

<http://www.astrosite.com/__JanM3.htm>

I do respect your messages and send people there. Some
will pay attention to your message, some both and some
will look at my work and skip yours. It takes all kinds
in this world. I'm continually suggesting to others to
write their own works. Each has a certain appeal and will
attract differing individuals to the message.

I hope you don't throw her off here Di, this exchange is
only going to draw attention to the message.

Oh, and in case you're wondering I'm straight. I have no
desire to get rick off, like you wrote below. I do have a
good friend that is female who likes other women in that
way.


Mark H
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