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The Rants Of NancyTalk
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Some have accused Nancy Lieder of fraud, others have hinted of mental illness. In pursuit of the REAL Nancy , Skeptical Mind will compile her various statements in this section.
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The first section below is taken from the ZetaTalk IRC session of 10/12/02. It shows Nancy Lieder's increasing hostility and willingness to launch personal attacks against her critics in a public forum. Several of her more sordid accusations demonstrate her growing psychological instability. (Nancy's comments are highlighted in blue for easier reading)
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Nancy Attacks Michael Cunningham :
[14:51] <NancyL> MC, YOU here again? WHEN is MC going to provide original FITS files from HIS camera? Been asked for this these past 2 years at least! [14:51] <Silk> Havas took the images, he should e questioned, should he not? [14:51] <Silk> or is he above all that? [14:51] <obany> and you expect to get an answer here, silk ?? [14:52] <NancyL> And, we'd like to know, why should we take MC's word for it he's an amateur these past 40 years? Provide some proof, you paid debunker! [14:52] <MichaelCunningham> When is Havas going public with his "find"? [14:52] <CyberWizz> psst MichaelCbighandle, don't use Your scope as dildo [14:52] <Silk> And how does Havas know the astronomer who owns the telescope is not a part of the "great conspiracy"? [14:52] <redeye> lol - nancy [14:52] <Endeavour3d> they will listen when they are ready, until then they will try and desperately prove that danger does not exist to calm their own fear [14:52] * P_L_A_N_E_T__X__return has quit IRC [14:52] <Silk> Nancy loves to attack people who question her [14:52] <NancyL> And, even if he's been messing around with amateur astronomy for 40 years, does this make him anything specialist? Perhaps he's globally incompetent! [14:52] <[3j]> NancyL: will the zetas confirm today where PX is on the pictures taken so far? maybe a circle or an arrow, showing it? [14:53] <MichaelCunningham> Nancy... when is Havas and the Zetas going public with his "find"? [14:53] <NancyL> Thus, no one should listen to this foul mouth bragard, unless he enters the game and PRODUCES. [14:53] <Silk> Maybe the Zetas can explain how "white light" gets through a red interference filter? [14:53] <CyberWizz> psst-reply MichaelCbighandle, don't use Your scope as dildo [14:53] <Endeavour3d> Silk, why do you care? [14:53] <NancyL> MC has presented statements on tt-watch that are PROVEN false, but he purports to be an expert all should listen to. [14:55] <Silk> No, but is that your concern that I care about others? [14:55] <[3j]> M2CSZ-L, you're gona get banned [14:55] <CyberWizz> no [14:55] <CyberWizz> he use proxy [14:55] * M2CSZ-L was kicked by obany (no name calling) [14:55] <Silk> J William Dell - what a laugh [14:55] <NancyL> I suspect Silk/Velvet/Lace is a sex starved divorcee whome MC et all are getting free services from [14:55] <redeye> hahaha [14:55] <Endeavour3d> Have you seen someone who has been "ruined" by Nancy? [14:55] * LadyInRed has joined #zetatalk [14:55] <LadyInRed> ty obany [14:55] <Jeremy> lol [14:55] <Rudy_Joe> Here's a site where Steve can report his find. Astronomers will respond within 24 hours. http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/MPEph/NewObjEphems.html [14:55] <S7L> lol. This is a new low. [14:55] <samsara2003> lol [14:55] * M2CSZ-L has joined #zetatalk [14:55] <M2CSZ-L> WHO'S NANCY HERE? [14:55] <Silk> Nancy, sorry I don't date women. Keep your advances to yourself [14:55] <CyberWizz> tick tick a dig and he was traced [14:55] <redeye> sigh [14:55] <monoxyde> NancyL = Nancy [14:56] <NancyL> They tell her she's a sex pot, and she post on sci.astro for FREE. MC of course collects his side $$. [16:06] <TerrorDactyl> Nancy, don't call her a lesbian, that isnt politically correct - nothing wrong with lily lickers [16:06] <NancyL> Don't belive Nancy, or Steve, or Silk, or MC, but LOOK FOR YOURSELF. [16:07] <willshell> good idia :o) [16:07] <[3j]> NancyL: will the zetas confirm today where PX is on the pictures taken so far? maybe a circle or an arrow, showing it? [16:07] <Silk> How can I loook for myself If I don't know the bandpass to isolate the object? [16:07] * merlin has joined #zetatalk [16:07] <merlin> nice point !!!' [16:07] <NancyL> In fact, Silk and MC et al don't encourage this, IMO certainly not, they say don't bother, there is nothing there! [16:07] <SteveH> it was a red filter, try that [16:07] <Endeavour3d> good advice, that's why I'm trying my best to continue with my palnned life and not digging a hole for myself to live in [16:07] * dalton has joined #zetatalk [16:07] <dalton> Actually, M [16:07] <Jeremy> I wish I could Nancy, but the sky is rarely clear here [16:07] <Silk> Absolutely not, look for yourself, I demand it [16:07] <dalton> MC has told people to look for yourself on ttwatch [16:07] <obany> yes, it are just pixels, it's just noise... that's all they can say [16:07] <Silk> but don't expect to see anything [16:07] <Michael_Cunningham> LOL! I've been telling people here to look for themselves since day one!!! [16:07] <NancyL> Terror, read the log as to who brought this lesbian stuff up. Silk did, she has this ON HER MIND, poor thing. [16:14] <NancyL> Ignore the professionsal and working for sex debunkers like MC and Silk, and CHECK FOR YOURSELF. [16:14] <Michael_Cunningham> cya old girl! [16:14] * Nomis has quit IRC (Ping timeout for Nomis[pD9E51C02.dip.t-dialin.net]) [16:14] <PLANETX> BYE NANCYYYYYYYYYYYY [16:14] * Okidok has quit IRC [16:14] <Silk> wow, how low can you go [16:14] <Endeavour3d> bye Nancy [16:14] <NancyL> Thanks for attending and inspiring great ZetaTalk, all. [16:14] <obany> bye NancyL [16:16] <Endeavour3d> god damn MC, you're like Japaneese Water torture! YOU NEVER STOP [16:16] <SteveH> why don't you image the full spectrum then MC? [16:17] <Michael_Cunningham> I have Steve [16:17] <NancyL> Poor MC, he needs a new approach to influence the masses! Insulting Steve is not cutting it anymore! [16:17] <Silk> We thought you did Steve [16:17] * soquishi has joined #zetatalk [16:17] <soquishi> hi [16:17] <redeye> lol - endev [16:17] <PLANETX> BYE [16:17] <SteveH> good for you MC [16:17] * idol_harobed has quit IRC (Opg@mes Control -> Pegue o seu em www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/lab/9233) [16:17] * CyberWizz sets mode +b *!*Michael@*.cvx36-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [16:17] <CyberWizz> 3,0*** Michael_Cunningham was kicked by CyberWizz (kick, ban) [16:17] <Rudy_Joe> Nancy's safe areas may not be so safe after all. What if they target those areas? [16:17] <NancyL> Snuggling poor sex starved Silk is not getting him far these days either! [16:17] <Michael_Cunningham> why haven't you shot any flats? [16:17] <NancyL> Poor MC, a desperate debunkers, soon to be underpaid! [16:17] <Silk> BTW Steve, did Arnie have the IR filter in when you took the luminance images? [16:17] <soquishi> nancy, shut up [16:17] <Silk> Just curious [16:17] <NancyL> Bye all! 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From the ZetaTalk IRC session of April 27, 2002 :
(concerning the Planet X Video and Mark Hazelwood's material) Robert S recorded me, staying in my home for the weekend in fact, he and his film technician who is an Arab. Tho he included Hazelwood, he did so because the guy got on Art Bell. Its a good video, worth the price, and I know he spend a lot making it, paid for his trip here, etc. Robert's tack is to NOT lead with ZetaTalk as he thinks this will turn folk off. Thus, he does the Annunaki and genetic engineering stuff, etc. which I don't agree with. However, he does a good job. He even gets Hazelwood to admit he does not GENERATE any info, etc. I heard from a DVD producer whom Hazelwood was hitting on that he seemed like a guy who didn't have a life and was grabbing this info to try to GET a life. He said Hazelwood stated he had money for a DVD but then during the conference asked the guy to "raise money for me". I heard from someone else that it took 14 hours of filming to get 10 minutes of good film on Hazelwood, as he had to be lead to every sentence, dumb and slow. He also (though I won't say who told me this) tries to run off with anything anyone else produces which includes him, regardless of who has the copyright, and tried to undersell the copyright holder! I mean, the lowest integrity. I have not heard about McCanney, but I heard Hazelwood is doing a lecture. Best way to hit folks up for $$ to to meet with them afterwards for a drink, etc. |
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From TT-Watch July 03, 2001
From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z... Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 1:20 am Subject: The Threatening Message If the message that the inbound Planet X/Nibiru/12th were NOT threatening, then it would be in the news. Instead, Harrington got killed, astronomers of the level of the guy who talked to Steve Havas verbally murmur that they "know" of this inbound planet but run into the ladies room to avoid being pressed on the issue. So you think the CIA and FBI and DoD and banking establishment are CASUAL about this? They're not upset because ZetaTalk can pinpoint the RA and Dec with such accuracy, all from the keyboard of Nancy who believes in telling it like it is and no lie, etc? Control freaks like the DoD? The good old FBI that shot a mother with a baby in her arms because she lived with someone who advocated breaking away from the US? The good old CIA who ran cocaine in the Iran Contra days and considered this a good tradeoff? They'd just sit back and do nothing? At the very least, if they cannot kill me (and this does get blocked), they have plan A through Z of how to reduce my influence. This goes alongside of wanting to get the word out to folks via ZetaTalk, because its deniable. They sit with wet armpits while I post on sci.astro. They want to throw a frog in the pot every now and then, especially when ZetaTalk seems to be impressing folks. I posted, on sci.astro recently (/use00931.htm) a brief description of disinfo attempts experienced in the past. This is a very small subset, folks, as I frankly know of dozens more, some lying quiescent waiting to be activated, but say nothing so as not to sound too much like a conspiracy freak. In this posting, I listed only those KNOWN to the group, at least to those who have been around for awhile. If I'm being unkind to Charlene to ask her why she's been looking into the sun as it rises and implying that Steve is a fool and befuddler and cozzling up to a vicious basher who posts no worth whatsoever, then I appologize. Regardless, this is not HELPING, and if we hold the hand of everyone who "says" they are helping, when they're not, then we're a real easy take-down! ZetaTalk would not have lasted 3 months, in 1995, if I were that much of a gof to be led about and put off. People judge you by your associates, by the integrity of your posts, and Steve Havas is a STAR in this regard. Charlene, whatever her intents, will do us a favor by NOT helping us. Now I'll list the disinfo tactics, again, and see how many of them fit (noted with an *). If a friend, and she may well be, then she's hurting us regardless. If a foe, then they aimed right as this tt-watch is totally immersed in screaching right now. Plus, with two ex-DoD guys the mainstay in tt-posse, she'd be guaranteed a long leash out of sympathy, so someone might have guessed right on this, too. Try to think like an enemy. How would you muster an attack? Below, my list of tactics. By my count, this latest has accomplished 4 of 6. And begging your pardon, Chalene, if I've misjudged you at all, but this could all be for the price, perhaps, of a new 5 year contract to the DoD. This is how very EASY is would be for the CIA/FBI/DoD to ease their nervousness, here. ..... And then we have the disinfo artists, who: * try to insert new "leadership" * trying to become the spokesperson * try to make the group look "crazy" by association * try distracting discussion that makes the serious members lose patience and drop out - insert characteristics that would make the mailing list a "threat" (become a militia, etc) - attempt to change the premise and purpose of the group And these disinfo artists invariably pronounce themselves as "friends". But it's not easy to discern the disinfo artists from sincere individuals with varying degrees of logical ability and varying degrees of backbone and varying degrees of impact should the scary info be proven to be true. Reactions are as varied as people, and we know how varied they are :-). |
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