Niels Neumann's Change Of Heart

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From: "Niels Neumann" <neumn000@m...
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 6:21 am
Subject: FUNDAMENTAL CRITICISM

First I say sorry for my nonperfect English.

I consider myself one of the most critical TT members. I am very much
concerned about the QUALITY of the material presented at TT.

First Nancy and other people in this list praise me that I have
reworked the 2003 pointers, and now Nancy has restored all the junk
and crap. The same people praise her for this. What's your point,
folks? And what's your point, Nancy? You go round and round in
circles. Why do you ignore my good work, Nancy? And BTW, Nancy, if
you say I stripped 90% away, then this is simply wrong. I removed only
50%, and these 50% were real junk!

Nancy's version is definately too paranoid, too far-fetched, too
speculative etc. I told you all why already half a year ago. You
smell too many conspiracies, cover-ups etc. where they are simply not
there. Take, for example, "Yangtze Dam". Why would the Chinese hurry
to finish the dam by 2003 if it's going to crumble during the 15
Richter quakes anyway? "Russian Rumors" has the level of a tabloid
paper and is only hearsay. "Nuclear Plants" is also junk. The given
date 2003 by Jürgen Trittin is pure coincidence. He would utterly
laugh at you!! Germany has much more than six nuclear plants. The
Green Party is now discussing a totally different date. This is all
such bloody junk! So I could go on and on. I could give you another
20
far-fetched examples in the 2003 pointers.

My dear lady, please put MY version back on the web (and add the
Russian article about the "chain of disasters", which I consider one
of the best 2003 pointers, BTW)!! OF COURSE my version is simply the
better one, because it contains much less junk, is more realistic, is
more objective, is more honest etc.

Why can't you be honest? We simply don't have so many solid 2003
pointers. We should simply wait another 2 years and then update this
topic. The 2003 Pointers are a key topic in the TheWord section. We
should not DETER people from TT, we should attract them. Therefore we
all must pay more attention to the quality of the material.

Now let's have a look at the much celebrated Zetatalk Accuracy topic.
"Summer Snowstorms" is totally blown up. May 31 is end of
autumn/beginning of winter in southern Australia. So this article has
nothing to do with summer snow! April 26 is the middle of Spring, and
not summer. Well, I don't live in Boston and I don't know the climate
there. But a little bit snow on April 26 in Boston has absolutely
nothing to do with summer snow. Absolutely nothing! So I conclude
that the report from France is the ONLY confirmation of this
particular prediction from the Zetas. Quite meagre! Well Nancy, you
blame me with dickering about when summer or winter arrives. Wrong.
It's your incorrectness and your wishful thinking! You suffer from
this. If I digged deep enough, I could probably find more of such
incorrect and far-fetched stuff in the Zetatalk Accuracy topic.

I also find many topics crowded. Is this really necessary? BTW, your
latest update in the Shortage topic doesn't yet show up there. I mean
we can read this now under "What's New?", but not yet in the Shortage
topic. With this massive update, the Shortage topic becomes totally
crowded. Do we really need such crap like "Cambodia rats", "NiCad
Batteries", "Fish in Maryland", "Year 2000" etc.? Why can't we focus
entirely on real crop failures in the world? Maybe this topic should
be renamed Food Shortages. Is more precise.

The FAQ in the Info section is totally outdated. It's from 1997 and
we have 2000! And OF COURSE such a FAQ should begin with some natural
questions like "Who are the Zetas?", "Who is Nancy?", "Is Zetatalk or
TT a sect or cult or religion?", "Is ZT disinfo?". And only then
question like "Is my location safe?" etc should follow. Folks, I
really don't like the current version of the FAQ!

I gave you only some examples of what I criticise in TT. I could find
more if I digged deep enough.

I also have a BIG problem with the commercial character of ZT. On the
front page of ZT, the reader is quite IMPORTUNATELY invited to buy
the ZT book via a phone number. I don't like this! I consider this a
major handicap of the whole ZT site. Why do you sell books, Nancy?
Please stop the book sale immediately! ZT should be 100%
noncommercial! And if you really can't do without selling books, then
please reduce the price to as low as possible. Why don't you make it
like Edgar Cayce, who gave his readings free of charge? Dear Nancy,
please explain to us IN DETAIL the purpose of the book sale. You
could
make a very fine and pleasant difference to all those other
channelers, telepaths etc. if you gave out the books FREE OF CHARGE!
Would make ZT more attractive, compelling etc.

Well Nancy, you have a small sticker from point.com on the front page
- "Top 5% web sites". So why not place a webcounter? Nancy, this is
the real thing! A webcounter! Why not show a little bit pride? Is
much better than this suspiscious and damn book sale!! You told me
this would show STS attitude. Nonsense! Please place a webcounter on
the front page of ZT!

Well folks, I'm sitting here with a dictionary in front of the
computer. I simply don't have the time to write very lengthy
messages. Basically I want to say this: Nancy and her co-workers
suffer sometimes from a lot of wishful thinking and even paranoia.
The content of TT should be critically reviewed - more often, please.
I for one find that many people in this list are too uncritical and
too gullible. No real objectivity, no real constructive criticism, no
real correctness, no real thoroughness etc. I give Nancy and her
co-workers this advice:

Nancy, take a week off and relax. Go on holiday.

"Klasse statt Masse" - "Good quality is more important than big
quantitiy"

"Weniger ist mehr" - "Less is more"

Niels

From: "Niels Neumann" <neumn000@m...
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 7:32 am
Subject: Some questions to the Zetas

The Zetas should answer these questions without beating around the
bush. Thank you. Niels

1. The Zetas say that the behaviour of this comet is very strange,
that no human astronomer has experience with such a massive comet,
that human astronomy is still in the dark ages, that nobody knows the
uptick etc. So how can NASA KNOW at all that 2003 is the date of
passage? How can the conspirators arrive on their own at the correct
date of the pole shift? How can THEY compute the date, without help
form aliens? Or do they simply trust aliens?

2. What about ESA? The Zetas only speak about NASA so far. How does
ESA cooperate (and I think there also some other major astronomical
organisations in the world)? Are they really ALL in bed with each
other?

3. The Zetas say NASA's escape is to Mars. But it's been the official
statement that a manned mission to Mars is only possible in 2015 at
the earliest date? So where is actually the technology to send a
manned mission to Mars in 2003? Wouldn't it take several years to go
to Mars? How can the conspirators survive such a trip?

4. Regarding scenes of a big war mixed with cataclysms in many
visions of many seers. I find the explanation given by the Zetas too
meagre. Take, for example, Alois Irlmaier, who was the most important
German seer in the 20th century. Why did he have such visions? He
speaks about the Russians invading western Europe, atomic bombs etc.
Why this? Only because of the stress, food shortages, floods and
droughts prior to the cataclysms?

5. How could the inhabitants of the 12th Planet know about Sirius and
relay this knowledge to the Dogon? The 12th Planet travels only five
light days in 1800 years, but Sirius is many light years away. So
this gives Sirius less than an imperceptible wobble at best. I think
the Dogon know about a dark companion of Sirius or such. But how could
the inhabitants of the 12th Planet know?

6. The Zetas say Nessie got trapped during the last pole shift. But
how can she still be alive?! Do the Zetas really think Nessie is at
least 3600 years old? Impossible! The oldest creatures known to man
are some turtles, I think. 200 years old or so. So what is Nessie? A
descendant of another creature?

7. Regarding Sitchin. He receives a lot of criticism. His description
of the "celestial battle" between Tiamat and Marduk, as a result of
which the Earth was created, is scientific nonsense. Also the
Annunaki did not create mankind, as the Zetas say. So Sitchin
obviously DID make mistakes. So why do the Zetas say Sitchin did his
work "meticulously"? The Zetas shall clearly say where Sitchin was
incorrect and wrong (like they did with Velikovsky). They shall sum
up the arguments of his critics and tell us how we can defend Sitchin
nonetheless.

8. The Zetas shall explain whether Darwin's theories about the
evolution of the species are correct. Don't the periodic pole shifts
contradict Darwin?

9. The Zetas shall explain the Ice Ages.

10. Why has the Earth Twin not yet been discovered by our space
probes? We have probes like Cassini which go to the opposite side of
the Sun. Another cover-up? I don't see ANY reason to cover up a
discovery like this.

11. A FUNDAMENTAL question. How can a comet 9 times as far away as
Pluto have an effect on the core of the Earth? We have 4 big planets
in our Solar System (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune) which are much
closer and which constantly change their position against each other.
I have already asked this question a year ago. At that time I only
got a superficial semi-answer. The Zetas said something like "Of
course your outer planets have an effect on the earth." They did not
even mention the 12th Planet! This time I want a REAL answer, please!
They shall explain in SCIENTIFIC TERMS why it is the 12th planet that
causes the increase in deep earthquakes, the weather irregularities,
the magnetic diffusion etc, and NOT the outer planets.

12. The Zetas shall say clearly once and for all whether the Mars
Face and nearby "structures" are artificial or natural. Didn't the
flyover of MGS is early 1998 show once and for all that they are
natural? I just can't believe that the images were doctored. I don't
see any reason for this. Maybe the answer is already somewhere in ZT,
but I overlooked it.

13. The MOST FUNDAMENTAL question: From where do the Zetas have all
their knowledge? They are obviously know-it-alls! How do they
retrieve so much detailed infos from such a wide range of topics? For
example, were they present when Noah received a warning from the
visitors from the 12th planet? Were they hovering in an invisible UFO
nearby? How can they KNOW at all, that the conspirators at NASA have
grown their own hydroponics for decades, etc.? Can they read other
poeple's minds? And if so, how do they do it?

From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:31 pm
Subject: Attacking the Messenger

This is a general subject posting, but I'm answering some personal
e-mail from Niels within it.

There are many channeled works out there that have NO basis of proof,
and heavily promote themselves. For instance, J. Starr (We Are the
Nibiruians) refuses to predict and will not, so I understand, take any
questions that could pin her down to being right or wrong. She takes
money for consulting and promotes herself (I've heard from her, asking
for a link to her site from mine, etc.) The Zetas on the other hand
predict away, get scientific, respond on the spot on live radio or TV to
questions that require knowledge in every field, and are accountable for
their answers, don't charge a consulting fee for their responses, and
have a demonstrable track record. In fact, I know of NO case where they
have been wrong!

They stated in 1995 that we would have crop shortages, world wide, due
to weather irregularities, and got REAL specific on how that would
occur! They reminded the public of that in late 1999 and Jan 2000 on
the Sightings radio show, and the shortages started mounting, worldwide
and right on schedule, this year. They stated (via me) years ago that we
would start to have domino earthquakes and 15 months ago, they not only
started, they are measurable from statistics! I know many people say
they don't understand the concept, which I've diagramed, but prior to
August, '99, quakes bopped around the world without a relationship to
one another. After this the plates were locked onto each other, and an
earthquake in one place reverberated to the other side of the plate to
cause another quake about a day later, and this would continue for
awhile, one plate pushing another, so to speak.

Now, I get e-mail daily screaming at me. How can I scare people this
way, I should be shamed. Some other channeler has said thus and so, and
would I please reconcile the differences. They need a personal assist
in some way, and of course they are the MOST important thing I could
spend my time on. Please send money, as I must be rich (I'm facing
bankruptcy, by the way, and will today take a local job paying low wages
just to stop the monthy hemoraging). Will I take someone on a hand-held
walk through the topics, as using a search engine and thinking for
themselves is too much effort. Will I put their creations or message on
the web, and make them famous? And I get e-mail from people who want
the message to go away. It's scarry, so it MUST be wrong.
Unfortunately, this type of argument cannot be won. If someone is
anxious, then no amount of discussion or proof will be enough. Also, if
one is having problems convincing one's family and friends, then 1000%
proof would be nice, would I please provide this?

There is a pattern to the complaints that Niels makes. He was in an
uproar about 2003 TOPIC, which is basically a simple a correlation of
actions to the year 2003. Take it or leave it, there it is! Like Geo
Change or Quake Watch or Prophecy - a correlation report, take it or
leave it, decide for yourself. He also is in an uproar over the
ZetaTalk Accuracy TOPIC, which was put up because my fans kept insisting
on pointing this out, and that we should have a spot for reporting
this. J. Starr does NOT have such a spot, as she refuses to be pinned
down to anything she can be tested against in the first place. I doubt
Niels beats on her, as she is not making him anxious. ZetaTalk Accuracy
is a correlation report, take it or leave it! Niels is not complaining
about the Global Warming TOPIC, which does the same, putting info out
there for folks to make their own decision. Do we see a pattern here?
If it makes one anxious, it MUST be wrong! How many times have folks
said here on the list that they hope it is not true, but if it is ...

I have a high school degree, and ZetaTalk covers so many subject,
giving answers on the spot to the public so fraud cannot be a factor,
yet I've heard from scientists all over the world that I don't know how
right I am about genetic engineering or whatever. Beyond the
predictions the Zetas have made that are absolutely measurable, there is
this factor. I've been accused of being a team of government agents,
because a single woman working alone could not crank out all that broad
scope scientific stuff and be so on target! History too is included. I
find out after the fact that the Zetatalk I put out is right. I hold my
breath and jump off the cliff, with ZetaTalk, everytime I write it. A
leap of faith.

Now, will I go in and nit-pick over every detail that Neils brings up,
endlessly expanding on this or that? No. I have a zillion demands on
my time, and put my time were I deem it most important. The squeeky
wheel does not get oiled, it gets ignored. I don't answer personal
questions. The general question queue is close, unless for special
occasions. I'm only doing web wrapping quarterly, and no longer collect
content from the lists. I resigned as the President of the nonprofit,
but still maintain a number of programs for it. I'm 60 years old, a
post-polio person who deals with cramping in exhuasted muscles daily,
have arthritis, and am so broke that I'm not putting other priorities
aside to work a job that will allow me to continue with the
responsibilities I DO carry, and not drop it all to just work a job. I
don't have a life. I've sacrificed my life for some 5 years to do
ZetaTalk and Troubled Times, and am exhausted and discouraged. Will I
get into endless nit-picking with Niels because he is feeling anxious?

No.

From: "Niels Neumann" <neumn000@m...
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 10:07 am
Subject: Re: Attacking the Messenger

Nancy, I agree with you on many points. But I'm not a nitpicker. And
ZT doesn't make me anxious. I just wondered that you first asked me
to rework the 2003 pointers, appreciated this and then restored the old
version. Just a thought.

From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2000 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Attacking the Messenger

This was at a time when I was delagating ALL the topics else no new content
would be arriving. You made a comment about the 2003, which I took to mean
you would be willing to work it. You came through with a reduction of over
90%. I put the old and new on the web site, your new version as what comes
up from the web, the old in a side directory for review. I asked the group
to review and comment. There are comments on both sides of the issue, as I
recall. However, the 2003 TOPIC was built over time, each addition the
group noticed with Review & Comment, as are all topics on the web site. The
contributors INTENDED for their contribution to go to that topic. We don't
gut other topics this way. So I felt uneasy about this at the time.

When you started complaining to Bill Glenn about the ZetaTalk Accuracy TOPIC
I saw a pattern. The ONLY topics you're complaining about relate, directly,
to the accuracy of the ZetaTalk message! You are saying, I think, "say it
isn't so!" You are arguing with the messenger, about the message. You
don't complain about Global Warming TOPIC, or Crazed TOPIC, or Prophecy
TOPIC, or Geo Change TOPIC, etc. All these are speculative, include
opinions, yet you're content! When someone is as bright as you, Neils, a
mathematician and German to boot (OK, I'm German too and a bit prejudiced
:-), you don't necessarily express your anxiety by running in the streets
and saying "say it isn't so!!!". This is an intellectual version of that.
If hubby wants to relocate to a different city and wifey objects, she might
go into endless arguments over this with him, the grocery stores, what they
offer, the schools, how recently the walls have been painted, or whatever.
Bottom line, she does not want to move but is directing this to argument and
endless discussion, not a face-to-face confrontation with her husband.

You're trying to make the number of correlations with 2003 or ZetaTalk
accuracy SMALL. Why?

From: "Niels Neumann" <neumn000@m...
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:02 am
Subject: Re: Attacking the Messenger

> You're trying to make the number of correlations with 2003 or
ZetaTalk
> accuracy SMALL. Why?
>
Nancy, you misunderstand. I don't attack anything. I only sometimes
suggest to make the TT content better, more solid, more convincing
etc. I don't feel like explaining in detail. Sorry.

From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...
Date: Tue Oct 17, 2000 2:14 am
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Attacking the Messenger

I know this, you want the ZetaTalk message so solid that folks will not
argue. But they will argue, and in fact a TOO solid message, undeniable,
can cause more denial. Read Psuedo-Fiction in Awakening. Often goes over
better. But 2003 and ZetaTalk Accuracy are no different that the other
TOPIC, and should not have more constraints put upon them than the other
TOPICs. The Word section is speculative, pointing out correlations, etc.
This is it's nature. Folks are invited to look it over and decide for
themselves.

I want too to have the Element of Doubt taken away. I too moan about this
at times (yes, even Nancy, has her moments), even with all the undeniable
signs I get. Signs given by aliens always have that Element of Doubt, but
I've had signs that are physical, NO doubt, left by MJ12's heavy hand during
our early "getting acquainted" days. But I'll tell you about a
moaning/groaning begging-for-a-sign time when I was first deciding to make
the moves I've done these past couple years. I'm getting up there, 60, not
strong, not financially anything but on the edge, and my family (except for
one person) is not supportive of what I do. So I wanted a SOLID SIGN from
the Zetas before I burned bridges and moved to Wisco and all. "Give me a
sign!!!"

So, I had a visitation from Pumpkin heads (the big guys, see Zeta Types in
Worlds) and they told me that when I went into my office I'd find the MUFON
mags turned face down, not up as usual, and that would be my sign. So I
went in, all excited, and they were face up. Got hysterical. Another
visitation, and they said "this is why we don't give signs on demand! If
they go wrong, or are perceived wrong, hysterics, etc." So I understood, not
on demand. A week later I'm in a movie house, alone, trying to relax, and
get the sense that a Zeta came in and sat beside me, and I'd find a candy
wrapper in my pocket or some such. I was eating Star Bursts, glued shut
cardboard box, welded plastic wrapper around individually wrapped pieces.
You have to break your fingernails to get the candy, practially. So I'm
eating along and get to the last piece. It's not individually wrapped in
wax paper. Now, EVERY Star Burst is so wrapped, by machine, I have no
doubt. So, I figured that was my sign, when I wasn't expecting it.

Niels Neumann wrote:

> > You're trying to make the number of correlations with 2003 or
> ZetaTalk
> > accuracy SMALL. Why?
> >
> Nancy, you misunderstand. I don't attack anything. I only sometimes
> suggest to make the TT content better, more solid, more convincing
> etc. I don't feel like explaining in detail. Sorry.

From: "Niels Neumann" <neumn000@m...
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 4:48 pm
Subject: Interesting Sitchin link

I have only read "The twelveth planet" by Sitchin. Please comment on
this text:

http://www.ianlawton.com/mes6d.htm

Really, I would like to see comments from you. Does this guy refute
Sitchin or what? Now I have doubts regarding what the Zetas say
about Sitchin. Niels

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