|
Personal Stories
|
||||||||
|
Although the ZetaTalk material seems to display elements of both conspiracy theories and cult movements, perhaps a more accurate definition of ZetaTalk can eventually be found by examining the effects it has had upon both its believers and its detractors. Personal stories related to ZetaTalk and Troubled Times touch upon the issues of family break-up, financial losses and the rash actions taken by those who have become gripped by the fear of a looming apocalypse. The effect of this great fear upon the parents of many households does not seem to bode well for the welfare of the children living in these households. Examples are found below.
|
||||||||
|
From: "Gantner, George E"
Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 10:12 pm Subject: [tt-social] TEOTWAWKI The other night, I noticed that my eight year old son was being very quiet and somber. Later that evening, he refused to go to bed, saying that he couldn't sleep. A little later still, and I found him sobbing on the couch. When I asked him why he was crying, he told me it was because he had heard on TV (show unknown) that the world was going to end as the year 2000 began. I patiently explained to him that people have predicted the end of the world many times, that predictions are often wrong, TV shows are trying to be sensational, etc., etc. He eventually calmed down and went to sleep, and has been okay since then. All the while thinking about pole shifts and so on in the back of my mind. I try to practice "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst". I cannot tell the Troubled Times material to my children. My younger kids cannot handle it. My older kids would just scoff at me (teenagers have a way of doing that). If I did happen to get through to them, depression is the likely result. I can't do that to my kids. I have come to the conclusion that ignorance is indeed bliss. Anybody out there share any of this with their kids? If so, what was their reaction? |
||||||||
|
From: Pat Thomas
Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 11:01 pm Subject: [tt-social] Re: TEOTWAWKI --- "Gantner, George E" wrote: > Anybody out there share any of this with their kids? If so, > what was their reaction? ----------------------------- Yes, I too have shared this information with my two kids. Joshua is 9 and a very sensitive child. Sarah is 7 and very outgoing. They both have reacted in a very intense way, wanting to know when it's going to happen, how long do we have, will we be able to get our dome home built in time, and so on. They watch programs that detail earth changes and weather with new interest asking if it's going to be as bad as what they are watching on TV. They are afraid, yes, but they are also becoming educated and want to tell others what they know. Of course, I discourage this explaining that it's up to the adults to explain the situation and that people who don't know the things they know may not want to listen to them because they are children. I am in the process of designing a community newsletter that will touch on the subject matter along with alternative ways of handling any possible upcoming crisis, being the Y2K or a natural disaster. Starting with my children's school as an outlet for the newletter, I will expand into the community and other surrounding areas. There seems to be enough awareness where my newsletter may be taken seriously by the community and inspire them to actively take charge on their own survival instead of depending on outside sources to help when the proverbial @#$% hits the fan... Pat Thomas |
||||||||
|
From: "Craig Alan Smith"
Date: Thu Mar 25, 1999 12:08 am Subject: [tt-social] Re: TEOTWAWKI Hi George- Yeah, The media really seems to be "working" the TEOTWAWKI theme lately, with the Y2K issue this year. I heard some FM radio personalities going on gleefully this morning about selling "end of the world" kits, including water purifiers, etc..Tee Hee....(Will they still be laughing later on??) I too have been sooooo careful in discussing the possibility of a P/S with anyone. I know how much it affected me (and still is difficult to deal with and integrate into my life) and I don't want to put this burden on just anyone yet, especially if 1.) it probably wouldn't affect them in a positive way, i.e. start to make preparations, mentally or physically 2.) they would "freak out" totally! 3.) They think Im crazy and use that as a reason not to look objectively at the information.... I have only told a very few - 3 or 4 people. But I am definitely OPEN to telling anyone who I think might benefit. I did tell my dear friend Arlene, who has joined the list! So there is hope! Anyway, I applaud you for your discretion with your little ones. I have a whole bunch of nieces, for whom I am going to quietly make preparations, and when the time is right, maybe I will discuss all this with their parents. Although kids can have such a capacity to understand some things, there would have to be some trauma in hearing about what may be coming our way. I think this would need to be done with great sensitivity and skill and a big helping of reassurance (hopefully not "hollow"). To everything there is a season, and the truth will prevail. Im glad you shared that, it is helpful to hear that others are struggling with the same issues---Peace to you-Smitty |
||||||||
|
From: "Shekhina Canyon"
Date: Thu Mar 25, 1999 5:03 am Subject: [tt-social] Re: TEOTWAWKI Hello, George; My little one is also eight years old. She often asks me what I am doing and why I am putting food up in storage. My grandmother once told me that if I was old enough to ask the question, then I was old enough to have an honest reply. I feel the same way about my children. If they ask, I will answer as honestly as possible. I have spent many evenings talking with the children and grandchildren about emergencies and preparations for them. I have explained that no one really knows what may come to pass in the near future, but there are a LOT of people who are concerned about the y2k computer glitch and the possibility of a pole shift happening sometime in the next few years. It is not necessary to frighten the little ones to tears, but it is important that they are aware of the possibilities. I would much rather have them express their fears and concerns now and learn to deal with the emotions than to wait and have them caught completely off-guard when and if something *does* happen! I want my little ones to be able to help themselves and others in the case of *any* emergency, and that is why I tell them what I see... openly...honestly...and to the best of my ability. I think the younger children can handle a lot more than we give them credit for. And yes, the teens will scoff at you for a time, but you can deal with that if it means the difference between survival and death for them. I think that the teens already know the possibilities. It is up to us as parents to show them how to prepare for the things that *may* happen. My grandmother always told us exactly why the root cellar was full of home-canned foods. Because "in the event" of another depression or war, she wanted to be sure that her family was fed. You and I can tell our children and grandchildren the same thing. They have a right to know and we have our parent's responsibility to tell them the truth of our intentions. They will love us for preparing for them and for our honesty with them in matters of critical importance. My eight-yr-old little girl is eager to assist me in packaging grains and filling water bottles to be put in the storage unit. She has already expressed some of her emotions, when she said, "I love you, Mommy, and I know you love me. I am glad we can face things together. I have filled two more water bottles for the shed, but I sure hope we never need them!" In Love and Light!!! Shekhina (aka: Gypzsee) |
||||||||
|
From: Clipper
Date: Thu Mar 25, 1999 7:45 am Subject: [tt-social] Re: TEOTWAWKI Gantner, George E wrote: > > > Anybody out there share any of this with their kids? If so, what was their > reaction? > I have shared everything with my kids about the coming pole shift. I was pleasantly surprised at their responses. I sat both of them down one day and said "Okay, this is what I do". They also have a full understanding that it may not happen. There was a tear or two from the youngest (about 12 then) but that was it. Our whole family is aware and so are my close friends. Not all of them believe in the pole shift, but they believe in me. My youngest said once "Dad, after all this happens .......... will we still have to do the dishes?" I feel my kids were already prepared for this information way before I told them about it. They too have strange things happen to them that they can not explain. They are contactees in my opinion. They make jokes sometimes when they can't find something. They say "danged aliens". -- Clipper ... Without prejudice, UCC 1-207 |
||||||||
|
From: "John W. Dixon"
Date: Thu Mar 25, 1999 1:17 pm Subject: [tt-social] Re: TEOTWAWKI It must be nice to have people that even though they don't believe in a pole shift, they believe in you. My wife turns her ears off when I tell her anything about it. That has been a stress lately because I want to talk about what to do with someone. All of my closest friends all think this is another one of my paranoia that will pass. I fell prey to da Man and his distractions too deeply. It was because I knew something was happening. Oh well, if nothing happens hopefully I can return to a normal life, if it does then I'll try my hardest not to say I told you so. This sounds pretty petty, but we're all pretty close. |
||||||||
|
From: janar@d...
Date: Thu Mar 25, 1999 2:22 pm Subject: [tt-social] Re: TEOTWAWKI I'm with you Clipper !! John, I know how you feel when your spouse does not believe in the coming Troubled Times. My 'hubby' doesn't believe, but he does humour me in my survival preparations. This is how I got him to the point of listening, I catalogued every piece of evidence I could find, Biblical, scientific, prophecies, weather patterns, political, medical, etc, and presented them to him in a logical way, then when he was prepared to discuss it calmly I carefully pointed out that we where living in turmoil at present with an increasingly unhealthy existence with six grandchildren to think of, and wouldn't it be better living a self sufficient, organic lifestyle, even if he couldn't accept my view. He still doesn't believe in the PS but he is now co-operating in preparedness. The fact that he has almost reached his retirement years and the fact that I have a knack for 'just knowing things' probably helped him make that decision, but I'm sure anyone can approach their family and friends and influence them with logic, into preparedness, (I'm still working on my kids and friends). JanR |
||||||||
|
From: pmalchak@i...
Date: Wed Mar 31, 1999 8:14 pm Subject: [tt-social] Re: TEOTWAWKI George, I have told my oldest daughter. She's 12. (The other one is 2). I told her (as I believe) that each 'predicter' is pointing to a different date, so there is no way to know for sure when it will happen. Since I have a geology degree, I have studied the geologic record and I can safely say it WILL happen. It's just a matter of when. She insisted we buy a telescope to watch for Planet X's arrival. She also wanted to know what she could do to help. Then, after a few months, she fell into a funk, deciding that there was no reason to study in school and what did it matter if she made all A's, or played her flute, since the PS would happen and it wouldn't be needed. That's when I had to start all over. I explained the dark ages and the black plague and the crusades, and the burning of witches in Salem, etc, all having to do with an uneducated population. ( if the people has known it was the fleas causing the plague, they could have burried their dead and washed themselves more often, etc.) I said, If a PS does occur, and she hadn't learned every thing there is to learn, and then in turn teach it to her children and theirs, etc, after a few generation, we would be without written language, no way to calculate 2 rocks + 2 rocks. Humans would revert back to barbarianism. It would be aweful. Well, immediately after our talk, she started showing an interest in learning again. I told her she couldn't share it with her friends since they would think we were crazy and maybe try to take her away from us and make her live with her (biological) father. Some days I wonder if I should have not told her. She comes home talking about the strange weather and whispers to me, it is caused by the pole shift? But on the other hand, she is worried about the Kosovo problem turning into WW III. And I had nothing to do with that one! She said she wished the PS would happen sooner so the war wouldn't happen. She is excited about the idea of camping out (forever) and living off the land. Hope this helps, : ) LPM |
||||||||
|
From: JD <jwdixon@w...
Date: Sun Aug 15, 1999 4:04 pm Subject: [tt-social] Re: [tt-gossip] an email to TT For some reason I didn't get the previous posts, but I need to tell you that I'm in the same boat pretty much. I'm now in Oregon because I was driving my wife crazy trying to get her to see what the hell I was talking about. I talked with my friends about it and they just couldn't understand the voracity that I was attacking this with. WHAT? I'm talking about TEOTWAWKI and you can't understand my voracity? My wife and my friends said originally that I didn't really believe that this was going to happen. That makes sense. I often will torture myself with anguish over something that is just my own little mind game, for kicks. I'm not normally such a spiteful person or sarcastic, but I really need to get this off my chest. Phil Heggin was generous enough to take me in so I could recompose myself and decide what I needed to do without having to defend my actions against what I know is going to happen. Hi Phil. I hate that I had to do this to make everyone take me seriously. When I was talking with my friends after I told them I was going to come out here, I still got the condescension and "well, I'm proud of you for sticking to 'what you believe'". I wanted to reach across the bar and choke the shit out of him. Don't act smug to me about this when I know you'll be eating crow in a few years. This is not a religion. This is reality. All of the interactions with my friends aren't like that, but I imagine it will be like that to a certain extent until they are sitting in their basement with their head between their knees kissing their ass good-bye. This really was wearing on my marriage also. My wife is very smart also (H.S. valedictorian, 4.0 GPA, etc.), but she knows that when it comes to science matters that I have her hands down. Her best defense mechanism was that every time my mouth would open her eyes would go closed or she would make sure that she was only home when I was at work. I wondered how any person could sleep 15 or more hours a day, but that is another story. There were some other things that complicated the matter, but they aren't for this list. Anyway, it's difficult to maintain a relationship when you refuse to talk about things. Now that there is a sort of background out there. (Man this is getting long.) Before I left I had a 6 hour talk with all of my friends assembled and I told them what's up and they said that they still didn't understand why I had to do this when I couldn't be sure. (I'm sure, but I couldn't "prove it".) They asked me what good it would do to have this knowledge of what to do if I alienated everyone I wanted to protect in doing it. AAAAAaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. One of my friends then said that they also had a feeling that something is coming, but trusted that they would be all right if they could get back to their parents place. At least they would have a place where they could prepare for the shift and have food to eat when things are rough. (My wife and one of my friends are daughters of farmers, dairy and pig). I'm not sure if they are right, but I couldn't stand to see my wife or my friends turn their gaze from me whenever I would start to talk about it. I made a promise to my wife that I would bring this up again when someone asked me about it. Until that time I would act outwardly as though nothing were going to happen. Her part of the bargain is that she has to understand that I know what is going to happen and be compasionate toward me because of the things that I will have to deal with. This really improved our relationship before I left, but I would like a little feedback if anyone is in a similar situation on whether they think that this bargain will work out for everyone's best interest. You must also understand that I would rather have the 3 remaining years with my wife by my side like she has been for the last 10 years and call it quits at that point than to not have my wife and live to be 100 (I'm 26). Please let me know what you think. (I know that's not a problem on this list.) |
||||||||
|
From: "warren bates" <warrenebates@h...
Date: Sun Aug 15, 1999 6:43 am Subject: [tt-social] I need help Hi, my name is Warren Bates. I have become an e-group member, but due to cookie-problems between them and my windows 95, I've been having trouble posting this message. If it's not appropriate for this forum I would appreciate some help in relaying it to the proper source. Thank you. I live in the Cypress Hills, Alberta, just north of Montana. My parents own a quarter-section of land there. I have been trying to explain to them the dangers of the upcoming pole-shift, but they refuse to listen to me. I cannot build a shelter by myself, and I don't want to face this danger alone. I have started my service-to-other transformation, which has increased my vulnerability to the surrounding environment, and I feel exploited by service-to-self groups. Are there any service-to-other groups out there that can take me in? I will do any work that is required of me, and I will offer my skills as a fine artist, and writer. If there are things you need, I will help aquire them, be it seeds, a windmill, etc. Thank you for your assistance, or for relaying this message to a more appropriate destination. Warren Bates. |
||||||||
|
From: "Brian Gillbanks"
Date: Mon Aug 16, 1999 10:56 pm Subject: [tt-social] Re - JD (tt-gossip) an email to TT Sorry - another long one. J.D. sounds all too familiar, like banging your head against the wall. I remember trying to convince my cousin and her family - and they're pretty open minded with reguards to a lot of what Zetatalk talks about. By the time I'd finished I felt like a basket case and I'm pretty sure they thought so too, but at least you've tried. Like I've already said "all you can do is present the facts." I have nothing but admiration for Nancy and her courage as she fights to reveal the truth. I know I couldn't do what she is achieving daily. Hopefully over the next couple of years the 12th will show itself as it draws closer - although some will never accept reality even then. |
||||||||