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I spoke to Nancy online and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!
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From: Nancy Lieder (nancy@zetatalk.com)
Subject: Re: I spoke to Nancy online and all I got was this lousy t-shirt! Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-20 12:23:55 PST > I went to the Zebratalk channel on IRC Saturday to see Because Nancy is not a Zeta. I'm a dummy, like you, a mere human. It was I, NANCY who thought that. I'm an old lady and no longer have that time of the month, Stig, and those who were cranky with you were the men in charge of the session. If critical questions are not tolerated, then what the heck am I doing here on sci.astro? Having fun? The recently established weekly Live ZetaTalk chats on IRC are to answer questions ON the Agenda, so that something other than chaos can be rule. A bit like a talk show where the subject is outlined and those interested can sit in the audience or be on stage or tune in. But Stig wants ATTENTION! (Used to lay on the floor and scream and kick until his mother responded, but now his mother won’t have anything to do with him anymore.) You too, can get your questions on the agenda and the focus of Live ZetaTalk, but please respect what others have to go through and don’t be an ass. The range of questions addressed during the past 6 weeks and the resulting ZetaTalk can be surmised from the current What’s New page (http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z03.htm). Questions in general are guided by the form used to submit questions, as follows: - Don't attach graphics or photos or long dissertations or your life history. They will not be reviewed. - Don't ask the Zetas, via Nancy, to respond to personal problems or questions. No personal counseling is done. - Coordination of survival groups or introductions between interested parties is not done. - Questions posed to the Zetas are not generally answered unless of broad interest or for a broad public audience. - Please use the search engine to locate your subject within ZetaTalk before asking Nancy. Everyone is invited, but is asked to be considerate of those giving up their Saturday afternoon or evening to discuss matters they have taken the time to GET on the Agenda. Apparently, Stig (Afermio, below) threw a party that Saturday night and NO ONE CAME, so he decided to ruin everyone else’s Saturday night. Lying on the floor and screaming and kicking doesn't do it anymore. Slashing tires out in the parking lot gets him the wrong kind of ATTENTION, so now he's acting like a grownup, or so he thinks. Here's what the page introducing these chats state (a link off the ZetaTalk home page, the Live ZetaTalk link.) Agenda: Questions should be submitted via the Contact Nancy and will be selected based on their relevance to issues the Zetas deem important or the broad base of interest in a particular subject. Obviously, personal questions of interest only to an individual will not be selected. And here's dear Stig , who apparently cannot read, asking questions ALREADY ANSWERED in ZetaTalk or on sci.astro etc. But that's not his point. His point is that if HE can't be the center of attention by his own dear sweet self, then by gum, he'll go slam doors and make noise! Then he can complain he was kicked out of the room! ATTENTION, at last! Session Start: Sat Dec 15 15:50:51 2001 (NancyL) OK, it's on the hour, almost, I'm going to start. (NancyL) To remind the audience, questions NOT on the agenda cannot be interjected. They will be ignored. (NancyL) Please wait until an answer has been completed and I indicate ready for "followup questions" before asking them. (Afermio) How come they flunk in astronomy and physics? (S7L) Afermio: please, we would like to keep this channel non-moderated (Jurian) Afermio: relevant, related questions only please. (NancyL) ZT: WE do not flunk, it is the ridgid humans who flunk. Did we not call it on the solar magnetism issue? (Afermio) Ah, so, I ask one follow-up question and that's all of a sudden wrong now? (NancyL) If you're unaware of this issue, check the sci.astro debates. Zetas RIGHT Again! big time :-) (Jurian) No, it just doesn't have anything to do with the current question (Afermio) Oh, and what about hale bop? (Afermio) The little ahem, supernova?? (DavidS) Afermio - ask question according to the questions Nancy answers (NancyL) Hale Bopp WAS a nova in 1995, had NO comet emissions. (Afermio) A nova and a comet are two very, very different things (Jurian) Ok, anyone asking non-related stuff is gonna get their ability to talk removed. we have an agenda for a reason. (Afermio) And what about "visible to the naked eye in 2001" which now is "computer aided visible to the naked eye?" (NancyL) Aftermio is Michael Cunningham, no doubt :-) (Alexey) Afermio - it's not in agenda (DavidS) Nancy - Aftermio is skeptic Norwegian person (NancyL) Your DNS is not visible to the naked eye, an object viewable at an observatory, BY your eye, is. |
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From: Greg Neill (gneillRE@MOVEnetcom.ca)
Subject: Re: I spoke to Nancy online and all I got was this lousy t-shirt! Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-20 13:15:59 PST "Nancy Lieder" <nancy@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:3C2249D2.E656DDC8@zetatalk.com... > Because Nancy is not a Zeta. I'm a dummy, like you, a mere human. It Please advise us all of the first opportunity in which you will request and accept agenda items here on sci.astro for an IRC session. It would appear that what you are doing here is advertizing for your cult. Please note that it would appear that any questions or responses posed to you in sci.astro which are not your to your own liking do not seem to show up in the ZT web pages for your minions to worry about. And even more interestingly, those items that do make it to the website seem to contain rather one sided, selected portions of the actual threads (generally only your own diatribe and none of the respondent's). This form of academic dishonesty belies a low character. |
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| From: Thomas McDonald (tsmac@wwt.net) Subject: Re: I spoke to Nancy online and all I got was this lousy t-shirt! Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-20 14:01:44 PST > Please advise us all of the first opportunity in which you will request I have to agree with you. I'd wondered why, aome time ago, Nancy's response to some posts of mine either misquoted me, or gave Nancy's (false) interpretation of some things I'd written. In some cases, she'd entirely turned my plain meaning on its head. When I finally twigged to the fact that one of Nancy's websites uses info from these NGs to support her ideas, I checked on places on that site that purported to present the sci.astro (and occasionally sci.astro.amateur) discussion of Nancy's ideas. What I found was that Nancy's twisting of my words, so obvious on the NGs, made sense in the context of her website. My words were either edited to be strawmen, or to seem to support her; or were "paraphrased" by Nancy to change the meaning of what I'd written. She's defended herself from these accusations of mine before. However, her defense was also mostly for the consumption of her Zetababblers. It also seemed to me that, in some cases, Nancy was so far gone in her view of the world that she really didn't understand that she'd misrepresented me. What is honest misunderstanding and what is conscious misrepresentation? I am not always sure. But she in fact does use things from the NGs to help her construct her conception of the world on her website; and she in fact does not seem to take normal, reasonable care to be sure she doesn't misrepresent others. Tom McDonald |
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From: Stig Bull (stig_bull@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: I spoke to Nancy online and all I got was this lousy t-shirt! Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-21 06:31:09 PST > If critical questions are not tolerated, then Maybe to learn some astronomy from the real experts so you can continue to feed your minions - or maybe just plain and simple to argue and to get attention? > But Stig Please. Is this insult the best you can do? Some want their two front teeth for Christmas, you should want a book about how to make great insults. Thas attempt was pathetic. In fact, I should take it as an insult that you're trying to insult me in that way! > You too, can get your questions on the agenda and the And I ask again: Why do you (note that I use the word you, not the Zetas) need questions submitted in advance? The entire world but your minions agree that this sucpiciously sounds like a "I cannot answer that right away, I have to look it up/I don't know. But what I can do, is give you a made up new age mumbo-jumbo answer" situation. And any excuse like 'something other than chaos can be rule' is plain dumb. The easy way to do it is to moderate the channel and voicing one person at the time so he/she can ask a question. > Apparently, Stig (Afermio, below) threw Oh, I thought your previous insult was pathetic, but this one has given you a new low. Ask your minions who were in the channel if I was behaving or if I was a complete ass in the private chats. Go on, I dare you to come back with the answer here! > And here?s dear Stig , who apparently cannot read, asking questions Let me make it perfectly clear that I consider most people on this news group (that includes me) more intelligent than you (referring to your 'who apparently cannot read' "insult"). As you probably don't know much about computers (which I do, since I make a living of it), I wasn't kicked out, I was de-voiced (hey you guys who had a laugh and said 'haha, he's probably typing a lot of questions now and is wondering why he cannot see any of them in the channel', I've been on IRC since 1995, I've administered the Norwegian Undernet server, with way over 100.000 users on a daily basis, which is a bit more than the 37 people residing on your network). And for the record, I cannot recall any thread on sci.astro which is about why the Zebras flunked in astronomy and physics. But having these voices in your head, maybe you can help me find it? |
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| From: David Storoy (keeping@clean.no) Subject: Re: I spoke to Nancy online and all I got was this lousy t-shirt! Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-21 07:01:27 PST "Stig Bull" <stig_bull@hotmail.com> skrev i melding >The easy way to do it is to moderate the channel and It would be UNFAIR actually because - Nancy will not have time answering ALL the question from the people who are with this IRC-SESSION. Is it so,Nancy?Or will you try such way? Nancy is answering directly questions to follow-up questions and if you have listen to what she was saying in SIGHTINGS(5 radioprogrammes) - she got questions DIRECTLY from the air(from listeners who was on the air) and from e-mails that she did not knew about in advance. So of course Nancy/Zetas could answer directly. But it is more fair for every one if she have question in advance. Then every questions which is coming within e-mails to Nancy could be presented in the next IRC-session. I think it is more fair. > I was a complete ass in the private chats. Go on, I Stig, I warned you before - ONLY ask questions from the AGENDA!Why did you not listen to me and everyone else?Are you deaf?You act with no respect in this IRC-session. And you was warned too. So you should admit that for us - can you? You act as a child in this IRC-session. You were a newbie on this IRC-session. But you were warned in advance so you should have paid attention and listened to us who said something about IRC-session. |
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| From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com) Subject: Re: I spoke to Nancy online and all I got was this lousy t-shirt! Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-21 09:43:35 PST "David Storoy" (another ZetaCult member) <keeping@clean.no> wrote in message news:<H8IU7.4275$RS2.80741@juliett.dax.net>... > It would be UNFAIR actually because - Nancy will not have time answering ALL The only people it's unfair to is those who want to know the truth and get an honest answer from your cult leader. So far, I have yet to see your cult leader reply to questions asked of her, here and elsewhere. The only questions she will take are those from her own cult members - and even some of those remain unanswered. > Nancy is answering directly questions to follow-up questions and if you have All calls are screened before being answered on the air, you know that as well as everyone else here. Don't try to decieve people with that line of reasoning. Getting questions in advance is only fair to your cult leader, not to people that actually have real questions for her. Questions in advance become a "pick abd choose" scenario, where your cult leader selects what questions will be answered, and how they'll be answered, ahead of time. From what I see of the logs, the cult members in charge (moderating) the IRC chat were the asses. She tried to answer you, and then was cut off by the people in charge so as not to open a can of worms in front of all the other cult members logged on. The Zetacult leader has put the proverbial foot in her mouth so many times now that the rest of the cult has to answer for her and protect her from real questions rather than new-age boloney questions. They also make sure the rest of the cult members stay in line and aren't exposed to the questions/replies here on sci.astro - Just like the cult leader won't post the full threads or text of these replies on her website under "sci.astro.debates". Once again, she picks and chooses what's shown/answered to her cult members. Real questions are NOT allowed. > Stig, I warned you before - ONLY ask questions from the AGENDA!Why did you This is a typical reply from a cult member - attack the person and not the issue. When you don't have the facts, the common sense or the truth - attack the person. In other words, "It's OUR irc chat,no one else is allowed to question the cult leader's science, physics or morals." David, you've been brainwashed. Get out now while you still have a chance. Follow the others that have left the cult. Ian on the other hand, well, it may be too late for him. |
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