Planet X Observatory REFUSAL #2

From: Nancy Lieder (nancy@zetatalk.com)
Subject: Planet X Observatory REFUSAL #2
Newsgroups: sci.astro, sci.astro.amateur

Date: 2001-12-20 11:21:14 PST

I posted in late November in the thread Planet X: 3 Observatories PRESENT that there were currently 3 tacks being taken by observatories, i.e.

1. Refuse to look THERE. "We ain't gona look THERE, and never mind why."

2. Refuse to look ANYWHERE. "We're closed for repairs, indefinitely. Go away."

3. Give extensive help, which does anything but. "Here, lets take a CCD image for 3 minutes or so, and compare to the star charts ... see, nothing there but the usual stars. Too cloudy for infrared today, though."

We've had reports from Steve Havas on #2. #1 was used on Cass W, who wrote to me to ask "why wouldn't the observatory let me look at the coordinates?" I'm currently seeking permission from Cass to post details, but HAVE this permission from Sonja Jordaan and company in New Zealand. They were very serious and wrote to me some weeks ago asking about coordinates, which I provided. Her report, below:

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From: "Sonja Jordaan" <jordaans@chemiphos.co.za>

To: "'Nancy Lieder'" <zetatalk@zetatalk.com>

Subject: RE: Nibiru

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:22:02 +0200

Dear Nancy, although we're not financially independent, you are more than welcome to use our names. My partner in crime is Jacobus Stemmet. As I mentioned the trip was 1,400 km (2,800 both ways). The astronomer at the Sutherland Observatory (SAAO - the biggest in the Southern Hemisphere - 74" telescope), was Steven Potter, who after several telephonic confirmations, refused permission to view.

We DO want to make a big issue out of this so that people can realize the truth. Thanks for the intro to Steve. I'll send him an e-mail as well.

If weather permits, we are trying again this week at a local observatory (albeit with a much smaller lens).

Best, Sonja

-----Original Message-----

From: Nancy Lieder [mailto:zetatalk@zetatalk.com]

Sent: 19 December, 2001 2:02 AM

To: jordaans@chemiphos.co.za; shavas7@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Nibiru

Sonja, meet Steve Havas, and visa versa. Steve was the Vancouver sighting recorded in the Teams section, and has gone public on sci.astro to talk about what he saw and the like. The gentleman renting Lowell also went public on tt-watch, but has not posted on sci.astro.

Sonja, if you would be willing (they will call you a cultist, a liar, etc., as they have Steve to some degree) denial of looking at those coordinates would mean a great deal to those claiming it does NOT EXIST. Then why not LOOK! etc. Steve also got an admission from a VP of the Canadian astronomy group that they know about and regularly look at Nibiru! I also got this admission in California, though these astronomers are leaned on and don't admit this in writing, etc.

Could I use your name? I'm always accused of making all this up! You can of course say NO and it would be quite understandable. Unless you're financially independent or some such, wanting to say private is quite understandable, MOST often taken. Apparently Steve is single, debt free, and gutsy :-)

Sonja Jordaan wrote:

>
> Dear Nancy, many thanks for returning my e-mails.
>
> After we drove 1,400 km to the observatory, (having made
> arrangements), they refused to let us have a look at Nibiru.
>

> The question I'd like to ask, is how was the date of May 2003
> obtained? Also, do you know what size telescope they used at
> Neuchatal?
>
> Many thanks,.

> Sonja Jordaan

From: David Paterson (Pixi) (david.paterson@noluncheonmeat.btinternet.com)
Subject: Re: Planet X Observatory REFUSAL #2
Newsgroups: sci.astro

Date: 2001-12-21 17:33:02 PST

Nancy Lieder <nancy@zetatalk.com> wrote:

>Sonja Jordaan wrote:
>>
>> Dear Nancy, many thanks for returning my e-mails.
>>
>> After we drove 1,400 km to the observatory, (having made
>> arrangements), they refused to let us have a look at Nibiru.

An interesting addendum to this story - I mailed the SAAO out of interest (a bit cheeky I suppose, but I wanted to find out more about this) and their version is slightly different.

According to the observatory they were indeed contacted by Sonja Jordaan who said she wanted to observe "a brown dwarf that was believed to be heading towards the inner solar system".

The observatory told her that if she supplied more detailed information that it might (note - _might_) be possible to fit in a short session at the beginning of a night's observing, provided it wouldn't disrupt research (which sounds like a very generous offer to me).

However, rather than sending the information, she turned up at the observatory and refused to give any additional details, in particular the coordinates, until they agreed to let her observe.

Understandably the observatory staff decided that without the necessary information on the planned observation they couldn't let her use any of their instruments.

Perhaps she misinterpreted their offer of a possible short observing session, which is an unfortunate mistake, but as the observatory said in a reply to my email "We do have open nights or visits can be arranged. But we do not bargain away our observing time."

A fair comment in my view....

David P.

From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: Planet X Observatory REFUSAL #2
Newsgroups: sci.astro

Nancy Lieder (ZetaCult Leader) <nancy@zetatalk.com> wrote in message

> Well that doesn't sound like Sonja. She had written weeks before for
> the coordinates, giving specific dates, and was highly professional and
> exacting throughout. The observatory has to say SOMETHING, after having
> said "yes" and then doing a turnabout to say "no".

> If you folks don't think this is being done, an utter refusal to allow
> folks to look THERE, go try it! Then everyone can call YOU a nutcase
> here, or a cultist or disorganized, or whatever. But at least it will
> have told YOU something. If there is nothing to hide, why not LOOK?

Excellent question. Why is that YOU yourself refused to look when you were given the chance? Have YOU looked recently? If there is nothing to hide, why didn't you use some of that $45,000 you gleaned from cult members to rent time on an "observatory" scope so you could have the proof you so desperately need?

Could it possiblty be, that you KNEW it wouldn't be there? Or were worm beds and Japanese chefs making worm cakes more important than solid proof?

And by the way, if someone came up to me at star party and asked if they could look for Niburu through one of my scopes, I'd certainly let them. Whether I call them a nutcase or cult member after they leave is completely up to me.

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