|
Where is the serious questions?
|
|||||||||||||
|
From: David Storoy (keeping@clean.no)
Subject: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-25 05:12:42 PST > > >I've asked you MANY questions, direct > > Could you give us these questions again? > > Was I talking to you? You are talking to everyone who are here. Not only to Nancy. But you are behaving rude and like a bitch. So it was not an impressive answer. >She won't answer I have searched on Google finding your questions. Your questions is full of DEBUNKER-questions!You are behaving very rude - acting like a bitch!You do not deserve to get any answer! > Next time I ask her a question, I don't want yet ANOTHER cult member I only asked you some questions and I only got rude questions back. You behave like a bitch! > David, if you're so damn curious as to the questions, do a little I have seen the questions - the questions are not creative at all. Bad questions. And you always talk about cult,cult and etc. You even called Nancy this: ", she's an embarassment to every woman on the planet." "Every ZetaCult member that posts in this newgroup is obviously lacking in mental capabilities, not to mention the science and physics. I'm sure there's more serious psychological problems, but that's not my forte. " "(your reply to Jan): Do yourself a favor a find some help before your family and friends wish they had stepped in earlier." ""Heaven's Gate? Who was the cult follower that asked what we fear from the cult leader? We fear for YOUR life." (more non-serious questions from Sarah Mc): "1) Will you refund the money you've confiscated from your flock when Planet X doesn't appear, and reimburse them the rest of their money you've spent over the years researching "worm beds" and "rice and beans" and seeds? Yes or No 2) Will you promise never post on any science newsgroup again when Planet X doesn't appear? Yes or No 3) Will you claim the Zetas "moved" Planet X when if doesn't appear? Yes or No 4) Will you start posting the FULL debates posted here on your website, rather than just your posts? Yes or No 5) Will you admit to doctoring your website to change articles to reflect current events, rather than keeping them in the original form which showed error? Yes or No 6) Will you and your followers be willing to donate all the money in your "zeta" account to an astronomy related charity if Planet X doesn't appear as stated in your archived posts (not rewritten posts)? Yes or No If you don't answer every single one of these questions, nothing you post on sci.astro or sci.astro.amateur can be taken as anything but a con game you're pulling on numerous people who frequent your "Troubled Times" and "Zetatalk" websites. If you don't answer the questions, consider it as proof that you're nothing but a con artist, cult leader wannabe, stealing monies from people to benefit yourself" Why should we take you seriously, Sarah Mcwhatever?You are the scam here. You are the bitch.You act like a bitch. I guess you like being a bitch. Where is your serious questions to Nancy?I cannot find them?Did you use another name?I could not find any serious questions from you - only debunking questions and answers. David,who does not like bitches at all |
|||||||||||||
|
From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-25 21:14:43 PST "David Storoy" (Mindless ZetaCult Member) <keeping@clean.no> wrote in message news:<CE_V7.4803$RS2.88642@juliett.dax.net>... > You are talking to everyone who are here. Well, more typical "eloquent" words from the cult. Whats wrong David, losing your cool? Is that what STO is supposed to be? Best watch what you post, you know the Zeta's see all and hear all. You won't be lifted if you keep up an attitude like that. It's not so easy out here in the real world is it? I, on the other hand, don't have to worry. My bitchy little ass will be staying right here come March 15, 2003 - and I can say damn well what I wish without worrying I'll offend the cult leader or the Zetas. And mind you, I'll be here on sci.astro waiting for your poor excuse why the Zetas were so damn stupid, and your cult leader even more so, when your Niburu decides to turn around and go backwards through time. Just think David, your postings here on sci.astro will be here for years to come, and we can point back to "bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch" and laugh our asses off - at you. Years from now, long after your planet never shows, your poor excuse to defend the cult leader will be humouring millions of people around the world. Your post just made your Zetacult the laughing stock of every person who reads this newsgroup. Well done, young man. Great debate David. Thank you so much. I thouroughly enjoyed your scientific, documented, educational reply to those questions. Your service to the Zetacult leader should be rewarded. Maybe she'll send you a few worms. (sci.astro debates - laughing my cute little bitchy ass off. That was one of the best Christmas presents I got this year) |
|||||||||||||
|
From: David Storoy (keeping@clean.no)
Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-26 03:26:04 PST |
|||||||||||||
|
From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-26 06:17:50 PST > And where is the serious questions? Ok - you do not have any. There were quite serious, my dear boy. They aren't serious to you because you can't answer them, and they show the serious flaws in your cult's vision. You have no proof, nothing. I also see you didn't answer a single question you found that I have asked. Typical cult replies, attacking the questioner instead of defending the cult. Never, never defend your position - right out of the scientology handbook of the wannabe sci-fi author L. Ron Hubbard. I see you didn't post the question I wrote asking your cult leader why she didn't spend some of the $45,000 she stole from cult members to rent an "observatory" grade scope. Why's that? Defending her attack on observatories and conspiracy theories, when she herself refused to look through a telescope, when she herself refuses to rent time at an observatory? You know the answer as well as she. There's nothing there, No Niburu, no 12th planet, no second "dead" sun's twin, no violent pole shifts, no "lift", no Zeta's, etc, etc, etc. Notice she didn't answer that question either. Notice she didn't answer any of Greg Neil's very detailed physics questions. The fact that your cult leader can't (or refuses to) answer them only verfifies the fact that you cult members won't put up ot shut up. All you can do is attack the questioner and spam newsgroups looking for new cash to put in the cult leader's coffers. Put your money where your mouth is and offer to donate the money to an astronomy charity if the blasted planet doesn't show. And by the way, When you call us DEBUNKERS - that refers to us as disagreeing and disproving of BUNK or BUNKUM. Meaning you agree that your cult is nonsense. You should learn the meaning of more words than "bitch". Maybe you should look up the work BUNK in your dictionary. It wouldn't be the first time a cult member had to look to a dictionary to get the true meaning of a word. Nevermind, I'll do it for you: Main Entry: [3]bunk Function: noun Date: 1900 : BUNKUM, NONSENSE Date: 1845 : insincere or foolish talk : NONSENSE ie, de-bunkers - those persons attempting to discredit nonsense or foolish talk. So you admit by your use of the word that the Zetacult is nonsense, foolishness. Secondly, I have no need to converse with someone unable to answer simple logical questions refering to your cult and the spamming of this newsgroup, consider yourself killfiled, and keep your new age based cult nonsense (bunk*) on your own Yahoo TT-watch group that only has three or four posts a day. Since your cult leader can't get any exposure there, she has to come here to try and aquire new members. Maybe if your cult leaders didn't throw more people off the group than new people joining you'd have more than 150 members. People get curious, join your little group and ask a hard question - in which you immediately label them as "Debunker!" and throw them off the list. How pitiful, David. You're out of your league. Your skills at debate are sorely lacking. Obviously your cult leader is much more able, being very careful not to attempt to answer questions that she cannot. It's much better to ignore the hard questions and only answer the softball questions. Your cult leader would fail miserably if she HAD to answer the questions posed to her, and that's why she refuses to. |
|||||||||||||
|
From: Ian (ian@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-26 12:38:55 PST Just forget Sarah Mc, please - she is beyond reason (and she claims others are nutty...) When I answered her on her "questions" to Nancy, she didn't want to accept those answers, only Nancy was "allowed" to answer. When you don't answer, she asks you why. Consistent, eh? She also continues on her allegations that Nancy confiscates or steals money, even though the Internal Auditor has answered her on that. She could have checked with the IRS as well to find that Troubled Times is a registered non-profit organization, but still, she continues her unfounded allegations. She is noisy, tries to slander, but as anyone can see, she has no substantiation to any of her claims, and her allegations are nothing but hot air. Ian |
|||||||||||||
| From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com) Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-28 06:10:20 PST > David, The consensus of opinion on this newsgroup begs to differ with your view on the matter, and the only people supporting your views are your fellow cult members. Beyond reason? I doubt others here find your diatribe to be "reasonable" by any means. The only tool or proof you have to "reason" with is Blind Faith. > I still don't accept them, and I'll only accept answers from the Cult Leader herself. You have no authority to speak for her, as far as I'm aware. She even posted here that no one speaks for her, except herself. I just found it humourous that David didn't even try to answer them. I give you credit for the attempt, but I don't accept your answers. When she refuses to answer, she admits her guilt. Taking the fifth. "I refuse to answer because I may incriminate myself". If you're so damn upset over it, ask her to answer the questions she's been asked. It never ceases to amaze me that cult members follow someone that refuses to answer simple, basic questions about their cult. Nothing like Blind Faith for cult members, they thrive on it. > Are you saying that all non-profit organizations are respectable, and that money laundering and theft NEVER occurs? Internal Auditor's only prepare the data for an outside source, and have no control over what is given to them for preparation. Maybe we *should* contact some people to inspect the Cult Leader's residence to see if the "worm beds" and "hydroponics" and her "bermed structure" etc, all exists. A government audit might be a good idea. Don't forget, it was the IRS that finally broke the scientology cult wide open. I found it pretty humourous as well that she bought a Ham radio, and used other money to buy servers. Most non-profit organizations that only collect $50K a year wouldn't be spending money on such frivolous items. Of couse, being non-profit doesn't mean you have to make intelligent decisions. I'll have to look into this, maybe I can get a list of all donations and the people that made them to the ZetaCult. I would think that such information would have to be publicly available, as well as any other audit information. I'm sure the IRS records are available for a fee, maybe I should start there. Are you sure you just didn't open up a can of worms for your cult leader? > She is noisy, tries to slander, but as anyone can see, she has no Noisy, you bet. You're upset because you have no proof of your Planet X, and neither does your cult leader. You go on the defensive when it's brought to your attention. You don't like the fact that your cult leader gets knocked around this newsgroup like a sack of potatoes, and you cult members get the same treatment when you open your mouths and spout off. Keep it on your own TT-watch groups and you won't get the abuse. When your cult leader substantiates her claims with soild evidence, reviewed by a second and third outside party, she'll get more respect around here. In the meanwhile, she's nothing but a liar and a con artist, milking money from people unable to understand basic high school math and physics, conspiracy whacko's, and new age religeon participants. Don't think you're going to waltz in here and take over, because it will never happen. Cult's are all the same, the only difference is the premise that the cult leader uses to attract members. The sad fact is that people like you, David, Jan and JosX can't see through the wool over your eyes, and can't accept the fact that there's no documented proof of *anything* that your cult leader spews forth. You hate to be proven wrong, because you believe so deeply in the cult's vision. Blind Faith. If you claimed that your ZetaCult was a religeon you'd probably garnish a little more respect, at least scientology was smart enough to go that route after the science and technology was proven to be hogwash. |
|||||||||||||
| From: Jan (not@home.com) Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-28 16:39:06 PST > The consensus of opinion on this newsgroup begs to differ with your Just as your Blind Faith is in the belief system and limited views of today's science, missing out a lot because it cannot be "proven". And btw, since you obviously don't know the meaning of the word "consensus", I took the liberty of checking it with Roget's online Thesaurus for you: consensus found in 2 items. Assent Excerpt: ".... unanimity, common consent, consensus, acclamation, chorus,..." Agreement Excerpt: "... fits; auxilia humilia firma consensus facit ; discers concordia..." Assent. [Antonyms: dissent.] [Nouns] assent, assentment; acquiescence, admission; nod; accord, concord, concordance; agreement; affirmance, affirmation; recognition, acknowledgement, avowal; confession of faith. unanimity, common consent, consensus, acclamation, chorus, vox populi; popular belief, current belief, current opinion; public opinion; concurrence (of causes); cooperation (voluntary). ratification, confirmation, corroboration, approval, acceptance, visa; endorsement (record). consent (compliance). Agreement. [Antonyms: disagreement.] [Nouns] agreement; accord, accordance; unison, harmony; concord; concordance, concert; understanding, mutual understanding. conformity; conformance; uniformity; consonance, consentaneousness, consistency; congruity, congruence; keeping; congeniality; correspondence, parallelism, apposition, union. fitness, aptness; relevancy; pertinence, pertinencey; sortance; case in point; aptitude, coaptation, propriety, applicability, admissibility, commensurability, compatibility; cognation (relation). adaption, adjustment, graduation, accommodation; reconciliation, reconcilement; assimilation. consent (assent); concurrence; cooperation. right man in the right place, very thing; quite the thing, just the thing. In business, the term "consensus" is used for the process where everybody has to agree before a decision is made, as opposed to management decisions or majority votes. Maybe you should look up those difficult words before you start using them? Was the word you were looking for "majority"? <snip> > When she refuses to answer, she admits her guilt. Taking the fifth. Incorrect. Your questions are extremely biased, and you have no legal right to claim any "answers". Nancy is in her full right to ignore you. > It never ceases to amaze me that cult members follow someone that a, There is no cult. b, There are no cult members. c, The questions were not simple or basic, but insulting and unprofessional, both in content and wording. > Nothing like Blind Faith for cult members, they thrive on it. Speak for yourself. I have never had blind faith in anything, which is why I have been willing and able to look beyond today's limited knowledge base. It's true that much of the alternative information out there is pure speculation, that some researchers get obsessed with their work etc. Learning how to discern fiction from truth is not easy, and I can see that you have not yet started on that journey. I suppose you still believe in Santa Claus, as well as taking every word in the Bible literally? My ability to think "out of the box" (from before the term was invented) has given me a prosperous career, solving problems where others are stuck. > Are you saying that all non-profit organizations are respectable, and Where did you get that idea? Was that stated in the posting you referred to, or any other posting here on sci.astro? You definitely need to improve on your reading skills, young lady. > Internal Auditor's only prepare the data for an outside source, As stated before, as the Troubled Times' Internal Auditor, I have copies of ALL receipts, checks written, bank statements etc. I have also met with our bookkeeper & CPA to ensure everything is to the required standard for a non-profit organization. > Maybe we *should* contact some people to inspect the Cult Leader's a, There is no cult. b, There is no cult leader. c, As the Internal Auditor, I have inspected Nancy Lieder's residence, and verified all the projects and non-profit equipment to the Board. Likewise, the Troubled Times books and projects are available for any LEGITIMATE inspection. That does NOT include any unprofessional sci.astro weirdo like you, young lady. > A government audit might be a good idea. Are you in the position to require such an audit? On what grounds would such an audit be initiated (except for your unfounded cult drivel)? > Don't forget, it was the IRS that finally broke the scientology cult wide And a Swedish court ruling, if I remember right. If you ever read anything of the Scientology material, you would realize that ZetaTalk differs greatly. ZetaTalk is to the point (which is the basis of those discussions you just seem to love here at sci.astro), giving precise information, have no courses (mandatory or not, free or chargeable), there is no membership fee etc. Maybe you should read some about Scientology (e.g. at http://www.xenu.net/) before you make any such comparisons? Maybe also you should check the Lisa McPherson case at http://www.lisamcpherson.org/? Her autopsy is at http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/autopsy.html. For the autopsy photos, you may even check http://video.rotten.com/elron/ (Sorry for the rotten.com site content in general, but I couldn't find these pictures anywhere else on the web.) > I found it pretty humourous as well that she bought a Ham radio, "She" was our blind secretary, who is participating in our Radio project. I have taken the Extra Ham License myself and bought a nice rig, but did not need any non-profit funding for that. > and used other money to buy servers. Which are now operational, and the web sites in the process to be moved to our own servers. Anything wrong with that? > Most non-profit organizations that only collect $50K a year wouldn't be In what sense are they frivolous? They are fully consistent with the non-profit purpose as stated in the Articles & Bylaws, specifically "Article 2, Purpose: Section 1: Purpose The primary objective and purpose of Troubled Time, Inc. is educational, to educate the public on the likelihood of the pending pole shift, solutions on how to deal with such a cataclysm, and life afterwards. Troubled Times, Inc. seeks to establish prototypes of solutions, to explore their worth, and to conduct an outreach with educational materials on a number of different media forms. To meet the needs of peoples world wide and from all classes, these solution sets must be varied and take into account the cultures where they may be deployed. The solution sets to be developed can cut across cultures and classes, as all may become homeless and need to live off the land, and all may aspire to a high tech lifestyle after the pole shift. Troubled Times, Inc. intends to establish solutions sets that will make it possible for the very poor or the wealthy to find a suitable solution, and for that apply to those who plan for a number of months or years or only realize the necessity at the last minute. Section 2: Objectives Troubled Times, Inc. seeks to build solutions sets for surviving the pole shift anticipated to occur in last spring/early summer of the year 2003, and the means to live a healthy life afterwards. Principally, Troubled Times, Inc. intends to have solution sets for: (a) surviving the pole shift, whereby humans can escape injury to their person during earthquakes, tidal waves, fire storms, and high winds; (b) surviving the pole shift, whereby supplies and technology emerge undamaged; (c) living hand-to-mouth off the land temporarily, whereby safe water and atypical food sources are detailed; (d) rebuilding settlements, whereby gardens and housing are quickly established; (e) maintaining health and adequate nutrition, whereby atypical foods such as worms and algae are utilized; (f) dealing with volcanic gloom, whereby indoor gardening and water distillation methods are detailed; (g) re-establishing an Internet, whereby short wave or other means supports an Internet independent of satellites or land lines; (h) generating electricity, whereby the methods for stand-alone installations such as windmills or hydroelectric are detailed." It's all there on the web for the world to see. > Of couse, As I've already stated, all Troubled Times information is available for any LEGITIMATE inspection or request. > Are you sure you just didn't open up a can of worms for your cult leader? a, There is no cult. b, There is no cult leader. c, Nancy is hosting a worm bed project in her basement, inspected by me as part of my Internal Auditor duties. A healthy project, where she grows whatever worms she needs. d, What's wrong with worms in cans...? > Noisy, you bet. You're upset because you have no proof of your Planet > X, and neither does your cult leader. a, There is no cult. b, There is no cult leader. c, No, I do not have any proof of Planet X yet. d, The rest of the ZetaTalk information have been so much to the point, and the predictions on erratic weather etc. have been as good as it gets, so I'm willing to take my chances. I will look when the time is right, though. > You go on the defensive when it's brought to your attention. Speak for yourself. I have seen nobody going "on the defensive" here. I have however seen people trying to stall your unprofessional behavior and wording. > You don't like the fact that your cult leader gets knocked around this > newsgroup like a sack of potatoes a, There is no cult. b, There is no cult leader. c, Have you ever tried to "knock around" a sack of potatoes? Ever been out in the farmland, young lady? > and you cult members get the same treatment when you open your mouths > and spout off. a, There is no cult. b, There are no cult members. c, How does one "open your mouth" via a keyboard and a Usenet group? d, My oh my, how I fear that "treatment". > Keep it on your own TT-watch groups and you won't get the a, There is no cult. b, There is no cult leader. c, Nancy Lieder is no liar and con artist. d, It would be plain impossible for any one human being to cook up a story like ZetaTalk with its consistency, track record etc. e, There are no traces of Nancy Lieder receiving any funds from Troubled Times Inc., except coverage of modest expenses and modest compensation for voluntary work done, subject to Board approval. > Don't think you're going to waltz in here and take over, because it a, I don't do the waltz. Want some rock & roll instead? b, ZetaTalk and/or Troubled Times are no cults. (Or "cult's") c, Maybe you should look up your grammar for plural vs. genitive? d, While you're at it, what about a spell checker as well? e, Since you know so much about cults, which one do you belong to? > The sad fact is that people like you, David, Jan and JosX can't see So tell me; - Where's the documented proof of escape velocity? - How does escape velocity correlate with gravity only becoming zero at infinity? - Where's the documented proof that our universe could fit into a singularity? - How can something be a singularity, then exploding & expanding, yet infinite? Where's the documented proof? - Where's the documented proof of origin of life? - How can lack of "proof" make scientists believe a human personality is based on genes & environmental influences only? - How can the lack of "proof" make anyone believe that humans are the most advanced species around? I don't need scientific "evidence" to know that the current position of the sciences are as close to myths in many respects as they were in the dark ages, only that we have observed a little more, done a few experiments, and thereby had to adjust some of our biggest misconceptions. > You hate to be proven wrong, because you believe so deeply in the cult's I haven't seen anybody being "proven wrong" except for you in your cult drivel. > If you claimed that your ZetaCult was a religeon you'd probably Scientology being smart? How long were you a member of that "religeon"? Regards, Jan Internal Auditor Troubled Times Inc. |
|||||||||||||
| From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com) Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2001-12-29 23:27:39 PST > Just as your Blind Faith is in the belief system and limited views of Ah, maybe so. However not a single shred of the ZetCult's theories are provable. You have nothing but conspiracy to point to as to why there's no proof. Everyuthing else is circumstantial or undocumentable. > And btw, since you obviously don't know the meaning of the word "consensus", <waste of bandwidth snipped> I'm really impressed by 100 lines of dictionary quotes. Is that all you've got to attack me with? > Incorrect. Your questions are extremely biased, and you have no legal right I see - I have no right to ask questions of your cult leader. Why is that? Afraid she'll look like a donkey's ass if she answers? She certainly does every time she posts her bullshit here in this newsgroup. Why is it that she spams this newsgroup, and posts once or twice a month on her own TT-watch group? Is she afraid to post this bull on her own newsgroup where people *might* be interested in reading her lies and fabrications? Your cult leader ignores me because she doesn't want to answer the questions. It's called "selective answering", the same thing she does on your IRC chats. Take the softball questions and ignore the hardball questions. > a, There is no cult. There is a cult, by definition of your own dictionary - read it. There are cult members, you're one of them. The questions were very basic, simple yes or no answers were all that were required. How simple can you get? Insulting? Only to those who are cult members and are afraid to face the truth. Say enough times and it may come true ("There is no cult", wishful thinking) > > Nothing like Blind Faith for cult members, they thrive on it. > > Speak for yourself. Excuse me? WOuld you mind elaborating on that? Or was that just a knee jerk reaction to the truth? > I have never had blind faith in anything, which is why I have been willing You have blind faith in ZetaCult, and in your cult leader. You look beyond into fabricated, unproven falsehoods, provided by a scam artist and cult leader. You ignore documented, proven science in favor of new age spiritualism. > It's true that much of the alternative information out there is pure Agreed. > Learning how to discern fiction from truth is not easy, and I can see that Are you sure you weren't talking to yourself here? > My ability to think "out of the box" (from before the term was invented) I'm not impressed. What does this have to do with your cult? I could say the same for myself, but I'm not one to blow my own horn to draw attention away from the matter at hand. > > Are you saying that all non-profit organizations are respectable, and > Where did you get that idea? Was that stated in the posting you referred to, The allegation was made that since ZetaCult was a non-profit, there could be no illegalities. Re-read the original post. If you hadn't snipped it, it would still be there. And I read just fine, by the way. From: Ian (ian@home.com) Subject: Re: Where is the serious questions? "She also continues on her allegations that Nancy confiscates or steals money, even though the Internal Auditor has answered her on that. She could have checked with the IRS as well to find that Troubled Times is a registered non-profit organization, but still, she continues her unfounded allegations." > > Internal Auditor's only prepare the data for an outside source, > As stated before, as the Troubled Times' Internal Auditor, I have copies Don't lose them. There may be a knock on your door some day. Your cult leader is your treasurer. How do you know she's given you all the information you need? Blind faith again? No one said you haven't done your job, Jan. Who gets the checks and donations first? How many checks and donations are sent directly to your cult leader, with her name on the check? > a, There is no cult. Saying it over and over won't make it true, Jan (there is a cult, and you're a cult member). So, are you saying that only cult members are allowed to view the documents? Who qualifies as "legitimate"? Does the IRS qualify? I'll ignore your typical cult attack on my professionalism, since you have no idea who I am or what I do, and you've never met me. > Are you in the position to require such an audit? On what grounds would such I believe I just might. "Cult drivel" is what exudes from your cult leader's keyboard. That's hardly unfounded, it's archived for all to see and laugh at. > And a Swedish court ruling, if I remember right. Incorrect. There is no precise information on ZetaCult. I did not say that ZetaCult was scientology, I just said that your cult leader seems to have studied the process very closely. No one claimed that you have to pay to be a Zetacult member. Don't attempt to change what's been said, Jan. There's enough of that on your cult leader's web pages already. > Maybe you should read some about Scientology (e.g. at <http://www.xenu.net/>) I'm quite familiar with it already, obviously a lot more than you. I don't need your links, but I suggest that you read them yourself. They may give you a little insight as to what's happening behind your back in the Zetacult. > > Most non-profit organizations that only collect $50K a year wouldn't be > In what sense are they frivolous? They're frivolous in the fact that they aren't needed. Unless of course if that no one would host the cult's web pages, or provide email or storage space. And a Ham radio, that's just silliness. Like the worm beds and hydroponics, as if no one has ever studied those things before. The whole premise is mistaken. She uses PVC pipe, lighting fixtures and lamps/ballasts...where are these going to be available after the world is ripped apart by your pole shift? So tell me then, why wasn't time rented on an "observatory grade" telescope, so that proof of your planet's existence could be documented. You'd all be heroes, and the Zeta message would be worldwide? Could it be that the "agenda" of the ZetaCult isn't realy STO, but STS? You really don't want anyone to know but yourselves? Or is it that you KNOW the Planet isn't really there? Seems none of you ZetaCult members want to answer that question either.... > As I've already stated, all Troubled Times information is available for any So, I'll see what I can do about getting a "legitimate" inspection arranged for you. Like I said, don't "lose" any of that peperwork. > a, There is no cult. Again, saying it over and over will NOT make it true. And, people have been harvesting worms for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years. I guess your cult leader has "special insight" as to how to make worms happy. > a, There is no cult. Please stop trying to convince yourself there is no cult. It's very sad to watch you do this in a public forum. There ARE professionals that can help you with this. You aren't serious, erratic weather? You mean the normal weather we see from day to day, right? Like the posts on TT-watch. Somewhere gets snow, it's erratic. Somewhere it rains, it's erratic. Eww, it's hot today, it's erratic. Damn, we're one degree below the old record, it's erratic. Give me a break Jan. You have no proof at all, face the facts and stand up to it like a man. > Speak for yourself. I'll ignore that since I know you didn't really mean it, and it was just a knee jerk reaction to the truth when it hit you in the face. > I have seen nobody going "on the defensive" here. I have however seen people Your post is in itself, an attempt to defend the cult. More of an attempt to defend yourself though. You don't really do well defending the cult. > a, There is no cult. Please stop that. Like I said, you can get help almost anywhere. Try it,I'm sure a whole new world will open up to you once you're free of the cult. And yes Jan, I bailed hay for many years, I know what a sack of potatoes weighs. I know how to milk a cow, drive a tractor, plow fields, etc. What the hell does that have to do with your cult? > a, There is no cult. You know, I really think you should see a professional as soon as possible, Jan. > a, There is no cult. This is so sad to watch someone lose it. Your cult leader is a liar and a con artist. Since there are no "traces", does that mean you've covered them up in your auditing? Why would you even use the word? BY the way, I understand from a recent post on your TT-social group from an ex-member, that your cult leader controls the board in a totalitarian style. Nothing is done without her approval, and everything she says, goes. There is no "democracy" on the TT board. That was from an ex-member. You want me to post the 7 page article here for all to read, Jan? Well, here's a little snipet, let me know if you want more: "When people take what they believe is truth, identify with it, champion it, and rally behind it, they are not acting with a lot of awareness. Doesn't the mind lose its sensitivity when it attaches itself to a higher authority such as the ZetaTalk doctrine? How can a mind beholden to and conditioned by a higher authority be independent and meet the present with clarity? For many people ZetaTalk and thus Nancy have become a vital part of their identity, an extension of themselves so-to-speak, and so defend it as if they were defending themselves when criticized. As is the case with people who are afraid to look at themselves in the mirror of relationship and question their own beliefs and actions incessantly, so is the case with ZetaTalk and all those who identify with it. " > a, I don't do the waltz. Want some rock & roll instead? Typical cult member responce when faced with the truth. Attack the person, not the allegation. > So tell me; In every physics book available to high school student. On the moon, in orbit around our planet. > - How does escape velocity correlate with gravity only becoming zero at Want to rephrase that? > - Where's the documented proof that our universe could fit into a There is none, no one said there is. What does that have to do with the Zetacult? > - How can something be a singularity, then exploding & expanding, yet Once again, what does that have to do with your cult? And please buy a few physics books. > - Where's the documented proof of origin of life? Once again, what does that have to do with your cult? Oh yeah, we're hybrids from previous breedings with your Zetans. You got proof for that, I suppose? > - How can lack of "proof" make scientists believe a human personality is Scientist's do not believe anything without a lack of proof, quite the opposite of you and your cult members. > - How can the lack of "proof" make anyone believe that humans are the most Once again, I don't believe anyone has stated that as fact. And who is "anyone"? > Your lack of exposure to the scientific process is quite evident. Science theories change as new technology and new experiments provide new answers. Kind of like your cult leader's web pages do when she's proven wrong (the pages change). The difference is that science admits it when an old theory is proven wrong. Your cult leader will not, she just quietly changes her story hoping that no one notices. > I haven't seen anybody being "proven wrong" except for you in your cult "Cult drivel" comes from the cult, I am not a member of your cult, Jan. > Scientology being smart? How long were you a member of that "religeon"? Never was Jan. Where did that come from, did you feel the need to try and discredit me for some odd reason? And yes, L Ron Hubbard was very smart in changing the "auditing process" from a medical device to a religeous one. I never said he was NOT an intelligent man - being intelligent doesn't disqualify you from being a cult leader. Read up Jan. There's a lot of information there that is closely realted your current cult membership. You may even see some "light" at the end of the tunnel, and not light from being "lifted" by the Zetas. > > Regards, By the way Jan, why is it that you're the only one that has no last name listed on the Non-profit page? As an Internal Auditor, I would think that it would be quite important to have you available as a contact. Of all the people listed, you're the only one with no last name, just "Jan". Is that SOP for non-profits? |
|||||||||||||