The Skeptical Mind : ZetaTalk, The Grand Conspiracy 1995

From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: OK Nancy, Where Is It?
Newsgroups: sci.astro, sci.astro.amateur
Date: 2002-01-10 00:32:06 PST

Nancy Lieder <nancy@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3C3CEFD2.C2F17EB9@zetatalk.com>...

> Oops, my bad. I put Jun not Jan, but the jpg is UP there as
> jun05bri.jpg.
> <http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/jun05bri.jpg>
> So, compare to:
> <http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/jan05pss.jpg>

Not only does the cult leader hear things that no one else can, now
she see's things that no one else can. Pretty soon we'll have her
telling us she can smell and taste Planet X too.

Note that the Cult Leader has not answered any of the other questions
asked of her, like:

1) How did Steve Havras "see" this object a year ago, when a 20 minute
CCD exposure, properly equiped per her instructions, could not a year
later?

Maybe:

a) Steve Havras is really Superman

b) Steve Havras caught Planet X during a brief moment when it was
reflecting sunlight.

c) The telescope at that observatory was an experimental,
security-sensitive instrument that the government had shut down
because it was capable of seeing brown dwarfs with the "unaided eye";
it was threat to national security.

d) Steve Havras didn't really see anything celestial and is really
a "disinformation artist" (like "Charlane", remember her?)

2) What about the "other" observations without the "required"
equipment?

Maybe:

a) They're also super-human beings, able to see 20th mag objects
("unaided eye").

b) They saw planet X during Planet X's "nighttime" and saw
planet-based artificial lighting.

c) They didn't really see anything either, and are part of the
"Steve Havras disinformation conspiracy".

3) Why is it her mag 11 object is now mag 20 (or less)?

Maybe:

a) Because the Zeta's have found a way to "move" Planet X away from
Earth.

b) Because the inhabitants of this "smoldering brown dwarf" with
"deep oceans" have turned off all their artificial lights from growing
complaints about light pollution.

c) The inhabitants have technologicly made Planet X into a light
speed capable craft, and they're now piloting it elsewhere.

c) It doesn't really exist at all.

4) Why has she not used some of that $50,000 she confiscated from cult
members to buy time at an "observatory grade" telescope?

Maybe:

a) It's more important to grow earthworms for dinner.

b) It's more important to play with "back yard" hydroponics.

c) It's more important to buy servers to promote her book, before
its too late and Planet X's passage date blows by (rendering it a
cheap, 50 cent, sci-fi novela)

d) It's more important to build a "bermed structure" to see if it
could be built.

e) It doesn't exist, and she can't make false claims if it can't be
found.

Note also that recently, the cult leader was brought to the light of
truth ("dished" in her terms) by Mitch Battros of "Earth Changes TV".
A person formerly held in high regards (because he allowed her to
promote her nonsense on his show) is now a "NASA lacky".....probably
because he refered to a "cult" in his "dishing"......

"From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2002 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] FW: Earth Changes TV/Article - Rumors of
Planet X Abound

"During the last appearance 3-4 weeks ago, I found I did NOT advertise
on tt-news. He is a lacky, for sure. The Zetas managed to insert that he
was WRONG in his statement that the sun was in a mega cycle, asking him
what proof he or anyone had that such a thing existed. None. They
challenenged him to a longer session. This was all live. I heard
shortly afterwards that he was dishing me, etc. :-) Sore looser, and a
NASA lacky."

As if the cult leader has any proof of her own far-fetched statements,
she attacks someone else on their assertions (sounds vaguely
familiar). Then she demands a longer show, and takes the "no" answer
as if it means they refused the challenge of proof. Note also that
Mike Hazelwood (another ousted cult member "dished" by the Zeta cult
leader, and who also has a book) has also now disconnected himself
from Earth Changes TV. Mike Hazelwood was the one who came up with the
"Russian Scientist" rumour. He may also appear on the infamous Art
Bell show soon (that alone speaks paragraphs about the quality of
*his* information).

Here's the whole "dishing" (love that word) by Mitch Battros:

"Rumors of Planet X Abound...01/08/02
by Mitch Battros (ECTV)

There have been rumors flying around the internet that a group of
Russian Scientist have announced they have been tracking an unknown mystical
planet that is coming into our solar system. I am sorry to tell you, but no such
group of Russian scientist exist. It turns out to be an article written by
some clone who supports the tall story of the "Zetas".

The 'Zetas' are nothing more than "channeled" garble spouted by a
grandiose personality named Nancy Lieder. Ms. Lieder espouses to have
some highly positioned connection with an alien entity from the planet "Zeta".
Once you get through all the fancy dancing smoke and mirrors, what you have
is some alter ego who thinks she has special magical insight that no one
else has. Whatever!!!

This reminds me of the same type fiasco that happened in the year
2000.

Again there was an article running around the internet claiming they
too had special secret information about the famous Third Secret of Fatima.

What it turned out to be was yet another "channelor" who claimed magical
mystical information that no one else had. The source was from a "cult" calling
themselves "The Little Pebble". Article:

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4009350,00.html>

I bring this up for only one reason. It is a reminder for us all to
remember our gift of 'discernment'. During these times of fast paced
changes, many will be coming forward yelling "follow me...follow me"
as if they have some magical special information which we must adhere to be
saved.

Let me remind us all, now more than ever we must maintain our internal
insight and intuition. As events heat up, the natural reaction is to find
the answers. Worse yet, many will be vulnerable to seek spiritual
guidance sensing something truly is about to happen. This is were it gets
dangerous.

Why? because something is about to happen and has been for sometime.

What could be more confusing than half truths and double messages? So once
again I bring this message to you. Follow your truth, not mine or anyone
else. Seek and you shall find. Find what? Your Truth!

I have no doubt we will see additional personalities coming forward with
their "mystical" articles scurrying about the internet. Spiritual seekers
beware! One sure sign a false prophet is lurking around the corner, is
when you see something which resembles a 'secret connection, mystical
insight, "channeling", something that cannot be verified i.e. alien from zeta,
beta, theta, potata, broccoli, asparagus, ham sandwich...whatever!!!! :-)

Now, although I may have gone further that I usually do with a bit of
cynicism, I must say we are probably in for a few surprises. I will
continue to keep an open mind and sound heart. But I will stay close to, and
adhere to, my gift of 'discernment' and ever growing gift of intuition.

Blessings

to all !"


	OK Nancy, Where Is It?
	From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com) Subject: Re: OK Nancy, Where Is It? Newsgroups: sci.astro, sci.astro.amateur Date: 2002-01-10 00:32:06 PST Nancy Lieder <nancy@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3C3CEFD2.C2F17EB9@zetatalk.com>... > Oops, my bad. I put Jun not Jan, but the jpg is UP there as > jun05bri.jpg. > <http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/jun05bri.jpg> > So, compare to: > <http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/jan05pss.jpg> Not only does the cult leader hear things that no one else can, now she see's things that no one else can. Pretty soon we'll have her telling us she can smell and taste Planet X too. Note that the Cult Leader has not answered any of the other questions asked of her, like: 1) How did Steve Havras "see" this object a year ago, when a 20 minute CCD exposure, properly equiped per her instructions, could not a year later? Maybe: a) Steve Havras is really Superman b) Steve Havras caught Planet X during a brief moment when it was reflecting sunlight. c) The telescope at that observatory was an experimental, security-sensitive instrument that the government had shut down because it was capable of seeing brown dwarfs with the "unaided eye"; it was threat to national security. d) Steve Havras didn't really see anything celestial and is really a "disinformation artist" (like "Charlane", remember her?) 2) What about the "other" observations without the "required" equipment? Maybe: a) They're also super-human beings, able to see 20th mag objects ("unaided eye"). b) They saw planet X during Planet X's "nighttime" and saw planet-based artificial lighting. c) They didn't really see anything either, and are part of the "Steve Havras disinformation conspiracy". 3) Why is it her mag 11 object is now mag 20 (or less)? Maybe: a) Because the Zeta's have found a way to "move" Planet X away from Earth. b) Because the inhabitants of this "smoldering brown dwarf" with "deep oceans" have turned off all their artificial lights from growing complaints about light pollution. c) The inhabitants have technologicly made Planet X into a light speed capable craft, and they're now piloting it elsewhere. c) It doesn't really exist at all. 4) Why has she not used some of that $50,000 she confiscated from cult members to buy time at an "observatory grade" telescope? Maybe: a) It's more important to grow earthworms for dinner. b) It's more important to play with "back yard" hydroponics. c) It's more important to buy servers to promote her book, before its too late and Planet X's passage date blows by (rendering it a cheap, 50 cent, sci-fi novela) d) It's more important to build a "bermed structure" to see if it could be built. e) It doesn't exist, and she can't make false claims if it can't be found. Note also that recently, the cult leader was brought to the light of truth ("dished" in her terms) by Mitch Battros of "Earth Changes TV". A person formerly held in high regards (because he allowed her to promote her nonsense on his show) is now a "NASA lacky".....probably because he refered to a "cult" in his "dishing"...... "From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...> Date: Tue Jan 8, 2002 11:10 pm Subject: Re: [tt-watch] FW: Earth Changes TV/Article - Rumors of Planet X Abound "During the last appearance 3-4 weeks ago, I found I did NOT advertise on tt-news. He is a lacky, for sure. The Zetas managed to insert that he was WRONG in his statement that the sun was in a mega cycle, asking him what proof he or anyone had that such a thing existed. None. They challenenged him to a longer session. This was all live. I heard shortly afterwards that he was dishing me, etc. :-) Sore looser, and a NASA lacky." As if the cult leader has any proof of her own far-fetched statements, she attacks someone else on their assertions (sounds vaguely familiar). Then she demands a longer show, and takes the "no" answer as if it means they refused the challenge of proof. Note also that Mike Hazelwood (another ousted cult member "dished" by the Zeta cult leader, and who also has a book) has also now disconnected himself from Earth Changes TV. Mike Hazelwood was the one who came up with the "Russian Scientist" rumour. He may also appear on the infamous Art Bell show soon (that alone speaks paragraphs about the quality of his information). Here's the whole "dishing" (love that word) by Mitch Battros: "Rumors of Planet X Abound...01/08/02 by Mitch Battros (ECTV) There have been rumors flying around the internet that a group of Russian Scientist have announced they have been tracking an unknown mystical planet that is coming into our solar system. I am sorry to tell you, but no such group of Russian scientist exist. It turns out to be an article written by some clone who supports the tall story of the "Zetas". The 'Zetas' are nothing more than "channeled" garble spouted by a grandiose personality named Nancy Lieder. Ms. Lieder espouses to have some highly positioned connection with an alien entity from the planet "Zeta". Once you get through all the fancy dancing smoke and mirrors, what you have is some alter ego who thinks she has special magical insight that no one else has. Whatever!!! This reminds me of the same type fiasco that happened in the year 2000. Again there was an article running around the internet claiming they too had special secret information about the famous Third Secret of Fatima. What it turned out to be was yet another "channelor" who claimed magical mystical information that no one else had. The source was from a "cult" calling themselves "The Little Pebble". Article: <http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4009350,00.html> I bring this up for only one reason. It is a reminder for us all to remember our gift of 'discernment'. During these times of fast paced changes, many will be coming forward yelling "follow me...follow me" as if they have some magical special information which we must adhere to be saved. Let me remind us all, now more than ever we must maintain our internal insight and intuition. As events heat up, the natural reaction is to find the answers. Worse yet, many will be vulnerable to seek spiritual guidance sensing something truly is about to happen. This is were it gets dangerous. Why? because something is about to happen and has been for sometime. What could be more confusing than half truths and double messages? So once again I bring this message to you. Follow your truth, not mine or anyone else. Seek and you shall find. Find what? Your Truth! I have no doubt we will see additional personalities coming forward with their "mystical" articles scurrying about the internet. Spiritual seekers beware! One sure sign a false prophet is lurking around the corner, is when you see something which resembles a 'secret connection, mystical insight, "channeling", something that cannot be verified i.e. alien from zeta, beta, theta, potata, broccoli, asparagus, ham sandwich...whatever!!!! :-) Now, although I may have gone further that I usually do with a bit of cynicism, I must say we are probably in for a few surprises. I will continue to keep an open mind and sound heart. But I will stay close to, and adhere to, my gift of 'discernment' and ever growing gift of intuition. Blessings to all !"

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