Planet X: Changing the PAST?

From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: Planet X: Changing the PAST?
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Date: 2002-02-28 19:25:47 PST

<off topic crosspost to sci.astro.amateur removed>


Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3C7EA2FF.9D02FC71@zetatalk.com>...

> Steve Havas has identified CHANGES in process on DSS images and NEAT
> images provided to the public as existing Star Charts! This CHANGE, in
> process, began promptly after my announcement on sci.astro that new
> infrared images had been take on January 19, 2002 at the coordinates
> given by the Zetas. Steve made note that David Tholen, who works in
> Hawaii where the NEAT program is headquartered, was out of pocket and
> had no comment for days after this announcement. Humm.

<snip long, boring, ZetaCult conspiracy theory>

This coming from someone who now intentionally supresses information
on her TT-watch Yahoo group, decides what the readers will be allowed
to see, and who intiated a coup in the takeover of the group,
assigning her right hand man to manage the content of the posts.

You know, when you do something wrong, claim it was the other guy that
did it first. When your opinion is opposed, attack the people instead
of defending your statements. Right out of the Scientology handbook,
Nancy. Never try to defend your statements, attack the opposition
instead. Take the spotlight off the matter at hand, and point it
elsewhere.

Steve Havas is now an expert in astrometrics and CCD imaging. How
quaint.

Steve Havas backtracks on his claimed sighting on the TT-watch group:

"Michael, what shows up on this image does not change my description
of my sighting last April in which I reported that the object or whatever I
observed looked like a dark, fuzzy spot that I could only see when I
moved my eye and looked around the area and not by looking directly at it.
So, hardly noticeable but I DID notice and made sure by looking several
times.

The Zeta's subsequently stated that I did in fact see the one and only
Planet X. The new CCD image shows a faint, fuzzy spot which anyone can
see by looking at and which the Zeta's say is the same Planet X. So, do I
know if this is the same object I saw last April? No, of course not! But, I
do believe PX is coming to a town near everyone soon so you connect the
dots..."

He claims the Zetas (Nancy) told him that he saw it now. Nancy claims
Steve saw it. Does he know if he saw it? Nope, he only knows the Zetas
told him he saw it.

Backpedaling at its finest. Sorry Steve-O, it's too late to save face
now. Nancy made a liar out of you for her own benefit. You fell right
into her trap, and she manipulated you.

So the truth comes out, Nancy tells Steve he saw it, then tells the
world as "documented proof" that Steve said he saw it. Information
manipulation at its finest.

Nancy, and you have the balls to make claims that others are
manipulating information? Your new pit bull Jan is tossing people off
tt-watch faster than they can join..is this open information? You
make claims about Hubble images being suppressed, but suppress
information and members opinions on your own newsgroup?

What a hypocrite you are. "Service to Others" at its finest moment of
glory. I only hope the tt-watch members come here for both sides of
the story. At least there's one place they can come that isn't run by
fear, intimidation and information suppresion.

From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: Planet X: Changing the PAST?
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Date: 2002-03-04 16:21:49 PST

Nancy Lieder (ZetaCult Leader) <zetatalk@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3C810BB9.F11F8FF9@zealk.com>...

> In Article <eJ3g8.15252$j47.4870354@twister.socal.rr.com> David Tholen
> wrote:

> > Steve Havas writes:

> >> Also, the new spot I noticed on the DSSII is LOWER
> >> than the new spot on the Jan 19, 2002 image.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, Havas, why are you spending so much
> > time looking at "spots" that are nowhere near magnitude 11?
> > It's like digging through a whole boxful of ping-pong balls
> > trying to find a basketball.
>
> Trying to change the focus of the post, Dave?

Isn't it interesting that everytime Nancy gets herself caught in a
corner, she starts accusing people of conspiracies, attempts to change
the subject by adding some new poorly conjectured fantasy, or just
runs and hides for a couple days and ignores the posts altogether?

Took her 4 days to come up with this one after it was noted that Steve
Havas has no experience whatsoever, and after it was noted that he
NEVER saw Planet X by his own admission. SHe still won't address that
issue either.

Neither will she address issue of "Veronique" (who submitted the
"Haute observatory" images), as being the exact same person that
started the rumor about the Nebuchatel observatory "seeing" Planet X.
That was shot down within a few days by the observatory personel
themselves.

Now that Nancy has been outed for TELLING Steve he saw Planet X, then
posting all over USeNEt that Steve SAID he saw Planet X, she and Steve
come up with some far fetched story about doctored images.
Interesting, since it was pointed out that Steve didn't even know what
a fits image was until a few weeks ago, and now he and Nancy are
experts on them, CCD imaging techniques and astrometrics.

I personally lik ethe way Nancy told Steve that he saw planet X, when
she wasn't there to verify what he saw. I guess those Zetas sure are
God-like creatures. Nancy can "see" what Steve saw at the eyepiece
without even being there. She even knows for fact that the telescope
was at the correct coordinates without being there to verify it.

Nancy, how many arc-seconds is that?

"1/20th the size of the circle, per the Zetas"

Nancy, how far is Chicago from New York?

"2 inches on the map"

Interesting too that Nancy STILL refuses to explain why her mag 2,
then mag 10, then mag 11 object is now mag 20. Whats next Nancy? Black
filters required to see it?

Don't forget that Hale-Bopp was a "created" comet for the purposes of
"having people look the other way". 6 years ago, people were coerced
into "looking the other way" so as not to see an object that can't be
seen now, 6 years in the future.

Will it dissappear completely, and a new conspiracy get conjectured
that all the telescopes (including amateur's and every little cheapo
Tasco in the supermarket) have been intentionally altered so as not be
able to see it?

Speaking of editing, why have you never answered the question of why
your web pages were altered, especially since you altered what the
"Zetas" said. unaided eye became naked eye, then naked eye was
altered to mean "telescope assisted", then when fall 2001 came around
and STILL wasn't visible, it was changed again to "computer assisted".
What's next, Cray super-computer assisted?

Interesting that you never responded to that one either. Interesting
only, it was certainly expected. You have a long, long history of
avoiding the tough questions when you corner yourself (almost every
post you make here), if and when you finally reply, it's usually an
attack, a conspiracy, some supposition from unreliable sources, or you
don't even answer the question at all, you ignore that it was even
asked!

You wait a couple days, then come back here and post some more of your
adulterated cult web pages as if nothing was ever brought to your
attention. Ignorance is bliss at the cult.

As far as "doctored images", I suggest you come up with some solid
proof other than your conjecture based on hearsay from a person that
has no experience in the field, before you shoot your ignorant mouth
off again.


Oh and Nancy, I intentionally shut down all Yahoo groups today so that
your cult members would have to come HERE to read the truth. Now hows
that for a conspiracy?

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