From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: ZetaTalk Bashing: Cuts Both Ways
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Date: 2002-04-19 06:53:52 PST
Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3CBEF3B4.69D395A8@zetatalk.com>...
> There are two possibilities:
>
> 1. the current Earth Changes and Planet X indicators mean
> something big is around the corner, and a pole shift will
> happen in 2003.
>
> 2. it's all nonsense and NASA tells the truth and the White
> House loves you and you should just go back to shopping
> until you drop.
Limiting yourself to only two possibilities shows your lack of an
"open mind" as you so constantly claim is needed.
>
> There's been lots of discussion about haha on Nancy when it does NOT
> happen, speculation on whose going to sue who, etc., but what about the
> flip side of the coin? At what point to you turn to those who have been
> working so hard to keep you from even THINKING about the possibility, or
> even READING ZetaTalk sci.astro postings without endless deliberate
> clutter, or being able to go to your local observatorys and LOOK THERE
> without a firm lipped refusal, or being able to GET what the Hubble sees
> off the reel instead of once a year like a Christmas present, or being
> able to get the newscasters to TALK ABOUT WHY islands in the Pacific are
> going under the rising sea level or the weather is so weird instead of
> endlessly hearing about Monika Lewinsky or the Middle East, and hold
> them responsible for their role in the coverup?
You're assuming that your planet exists to begin with. I say "prove
it" before I start making life changing decisions based on hearsay and
unsubstantiated "vioces" in someone's head.
You're claiming I never read your miriad of of kooky web pages, full
of new age bull-oney and bad science, poor physics, and obvious lies
and deception?
When are you going to realize that observatories have schedules to
maintain, that people wait for years to get a few nights on the
equipment, and that some idiot walking up to the observatory and
requesting to "look for Planet X" isn't going to get a great
reception. Why don't you try goingt to a particle accelerator and
asking them if you can try to find some "new unknown particles"? Think
they'll let you in and use the equipment?
You won't even answer the magnitude question, and you expect people to
go to an observatory and know what they're looking for.
>
> - When a red object is viewed in the sky, 7 weeks before
> May 15, 2003, right along the path outlined by the Zetas
> since 1995?
> - When the earth stops rotating a week before the shift?
> - When there's a pole shift and the phones don't work and
> travel is impossible?
Again, you're assuming that your voices are correct.
>
> And what do you suppose you'll encounter? Those responsible in bunkers
> with guns pointed at YOU, never mind that your tax dollars probably paid
> for this. The wealthy in enclaves well stocked with food stuffs no
> longer available to YOU, as you don't count. Chemtrails overhead to
> make YOU sick, so you can't pester those who don't think YOU count,
> should you manage to survive the shift, uninformed as you were. The NASA
> elite on their way to Mars, or so they hope. No phones working and
> bridges and transporation down, so you can't locate those responsible in
> any case, much less do something about it. Just the public end of any
> debunking and disinfo operation, the clerks and paid lackeys,
> potentially available to take your rage. But then they'll whin and say
> that they were only doing what they were told, were assured there was
> nothing to it, didn't know, etc.
Typical ZetaCult fear-mongering. Why don't you answer the questions
asked of you, rather than trying to instill the cult-fear into
everyone?
>
> The ZetaTalk message is not without validity. ZetaTalk has a prediction
> accuracy track record. Those who are trying to prevent you from even
> thinking for yourselves, debating the issues, being aware so YOU can
> make the choices YOU might want to make for YOURSELF and your family,
> are not doing you a favor. They've chosen themselves, their comfort,
> their paycheck, their place in the Good ?Ol Boy system, over YOU. It's
> pretty safe. Anyone posting in support of ZetaTalk can anticipate
> getting flooded with nasy email, their employer getting contacted, their
> ISP getting demands that they no long have contact on the Internet, any
> and every action to prevent YOU from being able to make your own choices
> as to what you want to read, and to sort it all out for yourself.
> Preventing you from doing this is not benign, not just undemocratic, not
> just unfair, not just arrogant or with dark motives.
ZetaCult has NO accuracy record, other than what YOU claim you have.
There has been NO outside verification of any accuracy, and your own
Cult members have been questioning your accuracy and credibility
lately. This is nothing more than you stating that you're accurate.
Big deal. I have a 100% accuracy rate as well - I said so.
>
> If ZetaTalk were KookTalk, then why is it considered such a danger? Nut
> cases get ignored. The fact that sci.astro has become a shambles of
> frothing noise, deliberately, is not an accident. This is telling you
> something. WHY do your Shepherds, and their masters, not want you to
> read a few posting by ZetaTalk?
Obviously, Heaven's Gate, the Branch Davidians, and Jim Jones don't
ring a bell with you. They also claimed that their flock would be
"lifted" in a time of world catastrophe.
This is why YOU'RE the high priestess of the ZetaCult, because you
claim that all people should look to you for guidance, that you're the
one to emulate for STO status - and only STO's get "lifted" moments
before the "pole shift".
You're a wannabe Messiah, a con artist, a scam. You propogate a hoax
to steal from the ignorant. You're a liar and a thief.
>
> This cuts both ways.
We aren't claiming to be "god", or claiming to be able to "save the
world".
We aren't claiming to be making predictions.
We aren't claiming that our "aliens" will "lift" us from catastrophe.
We aren't making false statements.
We aren't editing previously posted statements.
We aren't collecting monies from people.
we're not a Cult Leader who's looking to become the "new Messiah".