Subject: Re: Another person who Nutty Nancy may have to account to...
From: sarahmac@hotpop.com (Sarah Mc)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
X-Ray <nobody@man-made.de> wrote in message news:<3D435332.9000506@man-made.de>...
> I felt another question arising:
>
> Why did you not reply straight to my post
> but insteat you replied top level with
> citing my post from another level?
You mean the same way the High Priestess does with 99.9% of her posts?
>
> Afraid I read it and you could get a reply
> yoy don't like?
At least you're finding out that you'll get answers from us, and that
we *will* read replies. Ms. Lieder will selectively ignore questions
that she doesn't want to answer, or questions that she can't answer
(due to a scientific nature).
Don't forget that there's only one reason she posts to this group - to
copy and paste her posts to her web page for some sort of "scientific"
validation. She actually cut and edited replies to her (to make them
seem to be supportive of her claims) and posted them at her web page
for a while. When she was outed for doing so, she stopped. Now she
only shows her own full posts.
That's very similar to what you've done here as well. Copy and paste
parts of her diatribe that support your view, while ignoring the rest.
Nancy has gone so far as to claim people should emulate *her* to
achieve "STO" status, a requirement for the "lift".
Nancy constantly rewrites and adds to her web pages when she's caught
in a lie, or when the "science" is shown to be patently false. That's
similar to a 5 year old trying to claim his baseball broke the window,
not him.
You obviously came here for a reason, I would suspect that it was to
learn. Instead of arguing with us, why don't you go to the library and
start researching astronomy, celestial mechanics, and gravity. Read
some her drivel in the "science" section, and then test them yourself.
They intentionally delete messages from their TT groups that disagree
with Nancy's mantra, and they ban users from posting if/when *they*
determine others aren't worthy.
Ignorance is the fuel of cults. You stay ignorant, and you'll be
liable to fall into one. Once in, you'll be fed more disinformation
and be told that the "outside" doesn't know the truth. Stay away from
the "outside", they tell lies. They cover up. They know but they
aren't telling. Their information is there to decieve. They'll try to
remove from the saftey of the "group". That's the constant stream of
control that comes from a cult-like organisation.
All you need to do is go back in the google archives and read Nancy's
posts about "Hale-Bopp - not a comet" or "The 12th planet - missing",
and you'll see the constant self-denial of the truth. Billions of
people saw Hale-Bopp naked eye from their backyards, Nancy claimed it
was coverup so that people wouldn't be looking for her planet "naked
eye at mag 2".
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C3A121F51
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z6D121F51
She posted coordinates for almost 18 months, summer, winter, spring
and fall. Even when she claimed that "amateurs" were unable to view
"it".
6 years later, she won't even post the coordinates for amateur
astronomers, now that the last posted location is viewable in the
early morning hours. She claimed it was visible, now she refuses to
post the location. What's she hiding?
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm
All the things that Nancy and the ZetaCult are, is what she claims
everyone else to be. One of the most common cult tactics being used
today. Coercive persuasion takes many forms, one of which is the
constant bombardment of disinformation, intentional removal of
negative information, and control of the group. The group's critical
thinking, defenses, ideas, attitudes, conduct and ability to reason
are eventually undermined.
Control Tactics:
http://www.factnet.org/coercivemindcontrol.html?FACTNet
* Increase suggestibility
Nancy's IRC chats are designed for this purpose, as well as her posts
to this newsgroup.
* Establish control over the person's social environment, time and
sources of social support
Put the people to work. Create a web site so interwoven and extensive
that it takes days to surf. Eliminate adversarial content in the chat
groups.
* Prohibit disconfirming information
See above. Removal of unwanted information from the chats, and banning
(even her closest confidants) from the groups. Heavy moderation of
content.
* Make the person re-evaluate the most central aspects of his/her
experience of self
3rd density, 4th density, new age gobbledegook, the lift, being human,
STO, STS
* Create a sense of powerlessness
Complete global catastrophe, unable to change the future
* Create strong aversive emotional arousals
Constantly bash the sci.astro newsgroup, individuals, the science
community, NASA, JPL, schools of higher learning, Einstein, Newton,
etc, to the point that the cult members come here and cause
disturbance.
* Intimidate the person
Who wouldn't be intimidated by the claims of certain global
destruction? The only reason *we* aren't, is that we know better.
My suggestion Frank, is to become less vulnerable to her constant
coercive tactics. Educate yourself on all sides. Go to the library,
read books on mind control and manipulation, astronomy, cosmology and
theology. Then compare those to the claims of the most current
doomsday cult.
http://www.chrisnelson.net/end6.htm