The Skeptical Mind : ZetaTalk, The Grand Conspiracy 1995

From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com)
Subject: Re: Grow up guys, Zetatalk is true
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Date: 2002-08-05 06:11:48 PST

Anonymous Coward <none@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<ukrksc4tp49oe3@corp.supernews.com>...

> Just wait until later this year and you can verify for yourself that the
> planet is out there. At some point, it will be undeniable. So shut up with
> your "nancy is a loon" arguments.

Until you have proof otherwise, go back and post the weather reports
on TT-watch.

>
> Zetatalk makes a great deal of sense, more than anyone I have ever come
> across.

Only to people undereducated in the sciences, and willing to follow
another of the same ilk.

>
> The proof is in the pudding, it is there on the website. For those with the
> intellectual ability to understand what it says, you can't deny its truth.
> There's just no denying it. As much as we all wish it weren't true.

Her website is not proff of anything, except the fact that some people
will believe anything they're told. Go presch to your cult members,
they're more willing to listen to unproven doomsday prophecies than we
are.

>
> Most of the people on this message board seem to be of the opinion that it
> is a bunch of hogwash and stuff like that. Well that's fine but the problem
> is why do I not feel convinced? Why should I believe a bunch of individuals
> that cohesively don't make any sense when put together with their
> arguments. I know what is true. Zetatalk is true. What you are is nothing.

Just because you don't have the ability to understand the sciences
involved, or see through the smoke and mirrors that Nancy places
before you, doesn't mean the science isn't true or factual. You're a
perfectly typical cult follower, with nothing but blind faith leading
you. Feel free to go right on ahead relying on feelings, emotions and
beliefs rather than fact.

>
> Even if the 12th planet fails to arrive on time or at all, the other
> information on the site deserves careful reflection and stands on its own,
> which means that I would still believe all the other shit. So put that in
> your telescope and smoke it. :-)

I see. New Age religion. This is a science group, not a theology
group. Post your new-age theology elsewhere. For some reason you think
Nancy Lieder has all the information needed to survive, but your local
library doesn't?

At least we **have* telescopes, and have looked - numerous times while
we're out observing objects that you'll probably never see. Have you
looked?

>
> I've tried pretty hard to find all the arguments against Zetatalk and I am
> still not 100% convinced that I can stop believing Zetatalk. Your
> arguments, as a whole, don't pull as much on the inside, where it matters.
> All you care about is measurements. Well, I care about everything, all the
> details outside of your little realm of expertise. Which was?

Just because Nancy claims all these sci-fi scenarios and physics
doesn't mean it's true. In fact, it flies against everything that
mankind has learned over the last 1000 years. She has no proof of
being "in contact". She has no proof or evidence that her planet is
"inbound". She has no proof that it even exists.

The fact that you're relying on feelings and emotions to justify her
claims, speaks loudly of your inability to reason in a scientific
manner. Blind faith - belief without seeing any evidence, is exactly
what you describe your situation to be.

Go to the Library, take an astronomy course. Learn some simple physics
and the math to understand it. Then come back to a science newsgroup
and discuss your "feelings". Until you have hard, documented and
verified evidence, anything you say here is moot.


	Grow up guys, Zetatalk is true
	From: Anonymous Coward (none@nospam.com) Subject: Grow up guys, Zetatalk is true Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2002-08-04 18:26:19 PST Just wait until later this year and you can verify for yourself that the planet is out there. At some point, it will be undeniable. So shut up with your "nancy is a loon" arguments. Zetatalk makes a great deal of sense, more than anyone I have ever come across. The proof is in the pudding, it is there on the website. For those with the intellectual ability to understand what it says, you can't deny its truth. There's just no denying it. As much as we all wish it weren't true. Most of the people on this message board seem to be of the opinion that it is a bunch of hogwash and stuff like that. Well that's fine but the problem is why do I not feel convinced? Why should I believe a bunch of individuals that cohesively don't make any sense when put together with their arguments. I know what is true. Zetatalk is true. What you are is nothing. Even if the 12th planet fails to arrive on time or at all, the other information on the site deserves careful reflection and stands on its own, which means that I would still believe all the other shit. So put that in your telescope and smoke it. :-) I've tried pretty hard to find all the arguments against Zetatalk and I am still not 100% convinced that I can stop believing Zetatalk. Your arguments, as a whole, don't pull as much on the inside, where it matters. All you care about is measurements. Well, I care about everything, all the details outside of your little realm of expertise. Which was?

	From: Sarah Mc (sarahmac@hotpop.com) Subject: Re: Grow up guys, Zetatalk is true Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2002-08-05 06:11:48 PST Anonymous Coward <none@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<ukrksc4tp49oe3@corp.supernews.com>... > Just wait until later this year and you can verify for yourself that the > planet is out there. At some point, it will be undeniable. So shut up with > your "nancy is a loon" arguments. Until you have proof otherwise, go back and post the weather reports on TT-watch. > > Zetatalk makes a great deal of sense, more than anyone I have ever come > across. Only to people undereducated in the sciences, and willing to follow another of the same ilk. > > The proof is in the pudding, it is there on the website. For those with the > intellectual ability to understand what it says, you can't deny its truth. > There's just no denying it. As much as we all wish it weren't true. Her website is not proff of anything, except the fact that some people will believe anything they're told. Go presch to your cult members, they're more willing to listen to unproven doomsday prophecies than we are. > > Most of the people on this message board seem to be of the opinion that it > is a bunch of hogwash and stuff like that. Well that's fine but the problem > is why do I not feel convinced? Why should I believe a bunch of individuals > that cohesively don't make any sense when put together with their > arguments. I know what is true. Zetatalk is true. What you are is nothing. Just because you don't have the ability to understand the sciences involved, or see through the smoke and mirrors that Nancy places before you, doesn't mean the science isn't true or factual. You're a perfectly typical cult follower, with nothing but blind faith leading you. Feel free to go right on ahead relying on feelings, emotions and beliefs rather than fact. > > Even if the 12th planet fails to arrive on time or at all, the other > information on the site deserves careful reflection and stands on its own, > which means that I would still believe all the other shit. So put that in > your telescope and smoke it. :-) I see. New Age religion. This is a science group, not a theology group. Post your new-age theology elsewhere. For some reason you think Nancy Lieder has all the information needed to survive, but your local library doesn't? At least we *have telescopes, and have looked - numerous times while we're out observing objects that you'll probably never see. Have you looked? > > I've tried pretty hard to find all the arguments against Zetatalk and I am > still not 100% convinced that I can stop believing Zetatalk. Your > arguments, as a whole, don't pull as much on the inside, where it matters. > All you care about is measurements. Well, I care about everything, all the > details outside of your little realm of expertise. Which was? Just because Nancy claims all these sci-fi scenarios and physics doesn't mean it's true. In fact, it flies against everything that mankind has learned over the last 1000 years. She has no proof of being "in contact". She has no proof or evidence that her planet is "inbound". She has no proof that it even exists. The fact that you're relying on feelings and emotions to justify her claims, speaks loudly of your inability to reason in a scientific manner. Blind faith - belief without seeing any evidence, is exactly what you describe your situation to be. Go to the Library, take an astronomy course. Learn some simple physics and the math to understand it. Then come back to a science newsgroup and discuss your "feelings". Until you have hard, documented and verified evidence, anything you say here is moot.

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