From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@zetatalk.com>

Subject: Planet X: ALTERNATE EXPLANATION!

(with corrected URL, sorry)

Last April, 2001, the Zetas predicted:

It was known that at this time, approximately February 1, 2001,
[Planet X] would be visible without question to an observatory.
This activity is outside of US control, establishment control,
they are braced for it. They cannot stop it, and know this, thus
are not trying to do so. But will offer countering explanations
for what has been found.
ZetaTalk™, Coordinates
http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90122.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90123.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm

but loath to hand the Zetas another prediction victory, the NASA and
their cronies instead closed observatories, refused to allow the public
to look at the Zeta coordinates, and sent in a pack of debunkers to
snicker and deride and clutter up any thread with jokes and insults,
hoping the weary readership would stop reading the subject in sheer
fatique.
http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/closedin.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/refusing.htm

When Open Minded posted his Jan 5, 2002 infrared images, this caused a
flap as no originals from the camera were provided and as he soon
started scuttling backwards like a crab seeking refuge in a crevace and
continued to remained anonymous, this fuzzed up with uncertainty, or so
NASA et all hoped. Then to their horror, Pierre-Eric took more infrared
images on Jan 19, 2002, this time getting the original CCD from the
camera and providing an comparison DSS from the ESO.
http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/
http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/haute006.htm
http://www.troubled-times.com/teams/rogue/jan19_image

The reaction was to huddle and then the NEAT images taken on Jan 19,
2002 shows odd contradictions indications of a poorly done doctoring
job, and were unavailable from the NASA web site for a month. So WHY
would they be bothering to change the NEAT chart, when the object is
moving and they’d be chasing it, an unknown path, with the Zeta
coordinates only being given out six weeks or so in the future at a
time?
http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90458.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90460.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90487.htm
http://www.troubled-times.com/teams/rogue/jan17_neat
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm

Well, I got an urge to go in and check the Path diagram, showing roughly
where the Zetas have predicted Planet X would be from now until March 3,
2003, and it HIT ME! The point where Planet X is NOW, in it’s path, is
darn close to where it will appear (per the Zeta prediction) on March 3,
2003! Very little motion expected! So, safe bet to build in an
“existing object” on the NEAT charts, claim it was there all along, and
as it gets brighter come up with some safe explaination like a brown
dward FAR away going poof (or whatever they do). This should last for a
YEAR, if they are lucky, so then can continue to shore up the carry-on
government in bunkers, stockpile food for the rich and powerful in their
enclaves, talk up the economy, and keep the little man dumb and happy
until the last minute!

And if the Alternate Explanation comes out now, Zeta RIGHT Again!

Nancy Lieder <zetatalk Cult Leader@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3CAA12FA.F093C298@zetatalk.com>...
> (with corrected URL, sorry)
>
> Last April, 2001, the Zetas predicted:
>
> It was known that at this time, approximately February 1, 2001,
> [Planet X] would be visible without question to an observatory.
> This activity is outside of US control, establishment control,
> they are braced for it. They cannot stop it, and know this, thus
> are not trying to do so. But will offer countering explanations
> for what has been found.
> ZetaTalk™, Coordinates
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90122.htm
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90123.htm
> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm

Lets see, Steve Havas says he doesn't know what he saw, until you told
him what he saw. The French Nebuchatel "observatory" is abandoned, no
longer in use except by amateurs for occasional star parties. No
images, no proof other than an email someone sent you, later to be
found that it was the same person that sent you the OHP fits images.
Shady dealings going on here. And what about the "Lowell" sighting? No
one knows who it was - they wouldn't even allow you to use their name,
if they even exist at all.

And so once again the Zetas were wrong. Feb 2001? That was about the
time you changed the Zeta "bible" from "naked eye" to telescope
assisted, wasn't it? Then in November last year, when still no one
could see it, you changed the "bible" again to state "computer
assisted". Of course, the Cult Leader has absolutely no proof
whatsoever of anything she says.

>
> but loath to hand the Zetas another prediction victory, the NASA and
> their cronies instead closed observatories, refused to allow the public
> to look at the Zeta coordinates, and sent in a pack of debunkers to
> snicker and deride and clutter up any thread with jokes and insults,
> hoping the weary readership would stop reading the subject in sheer
> fatique.
> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/closedin.htm
> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/refusing.htm

I just love the way NASA "closes" observatories. and follows the
public around (especially those hundreds of thousands of amateur
astronomers, many with instruments many times better than the one at
Nebuchatel) and makes sure they don't "look" at the Zeta Coordinates.
No wonder NASA has to keep on a tight budget with all those debunkers
they're paying. Well, just think, if there was no "bunk" you wouldn't
need "debunkers".

No one can keep from laughing at YOU Nancy. How utterly ignorant are
you, that you don't see that everyone is laughing their asses off at
YOU...not your silly planet X. And of course, once again, the Cult
Leader hasn't got the tiniest sliver of evidence for anything she
states above. All made up, all a sham, all a charade to pull the wool
over the eyes of her blessed money-donating flock.


>
> When Open Minded posted his Jan 5, 2002 infrared images, this caused a
> flap as no originals from the camera were provided and as he soon
> started scuttling backwards like a crab seeking refuge in a crevace and
> continued to remained anonymous, this fuzzed up with uncertainty, or so
> NASA et all hoped. Then to their horror, Pierre-Eric took more infrared
> images on Jan 19, 2002, this time getting the original CCD from the
> camera and providing an comparison DSS from the ESO.
> http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/
> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/haute006.htm
> http://www.troubled-times.com/teams/rogue/jan19_image

Sounds more like you were the one "seeking refuge in a crevace", cult
Leader. Explain why the Zetas state MAG 2 in infrared, and nothing
you've refered to is anywhere near that - actually thousands and
thousands of times dimmer. I'd say:

ZETAS WRONG AGAIN! - But of course, you won't touch this fact with a
ten foot pole, because you know that there's no way out of that error.
NO way in hell will you respond to that, as you've been asked a
thousand times.

Amazing stuff, since the Zetas said that it would be a MAG 2 object in
infrared, and MAG 11 in the unfiltered wavelengths. Of course, that
doesn't mean anything to the Cult Leader, seeing as how a speck of
dust or digital artifact is "good enough" for her, and her cult
members. Kind of like the difference between a 500 watt floodlight 10
inches from your eyes, and, well - no light at all. A MAG 2 object on
those infrared images probably would have covered half the damn CCD
field due to blooming.

>
> The reaction was to huddle and then the NEAT images taken on Jan 19,
> 2002 shows odd contradictions indications of a poorly done doctoring
> job, and were unavailable from the NASA web site for a month. So WHY
> would they be bothering to change the NEAT chart, when the object is
> moving and they'd be chasing it, an unknown path, with the Zeta
> coordinates only being given out six weeks or so in the future at a
> time?
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90458.htm
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90460.htm
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90487.htm
> http://www.troubled-times.com/teams/rogue/jan17_neat
> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm

You keep bring up this made-up story of yours to distract everyone
from the real issue at hand. Where's the damn MAG 2 Planet?

Only seems that way to you Nancy. No one else see's any funny business
going on, except for you and your brainwashed Cult. Your web pages
are hardly proof of anything Nancy. Its and bits of posts here from
sci.astro, that you've doctored and clipped to make it seem like
you're correct. Well, give it up. Everyone, including your cult
members, knows that you've doctored up your web pages - even one of
your own cult members pointed out the inconsistencies on archived
pages on the web. You're just too damn stupid to cover your own tracks
Missy. Most of all, you continue to post here and archive it for even
more jolly's come next year. I've said it before, I'll say it again:

You're your own worst enemy Nancy. You do more damage to yourself and
"ZetaTalk" than a million sci.astro's could do in 15 years. You'd be
best served by shutting up and counting your money before you lose
even more cult members.

>
> Well, I got an urge to go in and check the Path diagram, showing roughly
> where the Zetas have predicted Planet X would be from now until March 3,
> 2003, and it HIT ME!

Planet X hit you? well gawd damn. That explains your some of your lack
of common sense.

>The point where Planet X is NOW, in it's path, is
> darn close to where it will appear (per the Zeta prediction) on March 3,
> 2003!

I guess that means its not going to come any closer, huh? Must be why
it's getting "dimmer and dimmer" as the days get closer and closer to
your failing ZetaTalk "arrival date".

>Very little motion expected!

Oh how nice. So now your planet is going to sit there in Limbo? How
utterly convienient. Bet those pesky Zetas are pissed off though.

>So, safe bet to build in an
> "existing object" on the NEAT charts, claim it was there all along, and
> as it gets brighter come up with some safe explaination like a brown
> dward FAR away going poof (or whatever they do). This should last for a
> YEAR, if they are lucky, so then can continue to shore up the carry-on
> government in bunkers, stockpile food for the rich and powerful in their
> enclaves, talk up the economy, and keep the little man dumb and happy
> until the last minute!

Yep, Kinda like a lonely old spinster sitting in her house telling the
world that it's all going to end, so that people will send her money
that she can scam and squirrel away. No matter that people will lose
their life savings, no matter that their children will lose their
college money. No matter that mothers and fathers will leave their
jobs, be ridiculed by their peers, and of course, no matter that
they'll all be looking for you come June of 2003. We'll be here Nancy,
will you? I doubt it. After all, you keep telling your cult members
that money will be worthless after the "Pole Shift".


>
> And if the Alternate Explanation comes out now, Zeta RIGHT Again!

I wonder why it's so damn important for you to have to wiggle and
squirm to try and prove the "Zetas right again" all the time? Wouldn't
it be obvious to everyone if they were right? BUt that's not the case
is it, Cult Leader? You have to find loopholes and misprints, old news
that seem like new news. You won't answer questions from people, you
only spew the venom of a con artist, a thief, a Charlatan.

You make up stories with no evidence, no proof, nothing - and then
dump the false information on your cult members as if it came from the
Almighty herself. Since you have nothing else to validate your con
game with, you make up things and offer them as proof to your flock.
What a sham, what a charade you're playing on them.

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

Dorothy was right to look behind the curtain when the Wizard told her
not to. SO should your cult members before they lose everything they
own.

I'll give you a "SarahTalk" prediction Nancy. You and your Cult
members are going to be a bigger laughingstock than you are already,
come May 2003. And guess what Nancy? Come mid-March of next year, I'll
bet you're no where to be found. That's 7 weeks prior to your Planet's
appearance, and when you claim it will be a "real" naked eye object in
the sky. A "red cross" in the sky.

All the jokes about you now won't even compare to utter disgrace you
and your cult members will face. Best of all, they're all archived on
Google and Yahoo for all eternity's sake. I might just start a website
with a "ZetaCult quote of the day" to keep the jokes going for a few
more years after you've dissappeared into hiding.

Let's start with this one:

(NancyL) ZT: Humans will join our communities, primarily those of
hybrids though we all live together, in small numbers at first, and in
isolated places.
(NancyL) ZT: Those humans already know who they are, and are
anticipating this in their plans.
(NancyL) ZT: These humans must be HIGHLY STO, meaning they are almost
exclusively willing to sacrific themselves for others if the situation
calls for it, deemed important enough.
(NancyL) ZT: These humans must also have a strong track record of
being able to deal with the unknown, the gray area, without causing
others about them to be distracted to attend to them.
(NancyL) ZT: These humans must be able to focus on a mission, and
ACHIEVE it, to be part of the hard working team they will join.
(NancyL) ZT: As an example, look to Nancy, as she has had such an
invitation extended to her.
(NancyL) End ZT

Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3CAA12FA.F093C298@zetatalk.com>...
> (with corrected URL, sorry)
...
> When Open Minded posted his Jan 5, 2002 infrared images, this caused a
> flap as no originals from the camera were provided and as he soon
> started scuttling backwards like a crab seeking refuge in a crevace and
> continued to remained anonymous, this fuzzed up with uncertainty, or so
> NASA et all hoped.

I fail to see how my ever expanding web pages represent "scuttling
backwards". I think those who read my pages at
http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/ or my postings here have had
enough information to judge my credentials. I simply refuse to open
myself or my institution up the attacks and misrepresentation which
you have demonstrated in your posts about others.

> Then to their horror, Pierre-Eric took more infrared
> images on Jan 19, 2002, this time getting the original CCD from the
> camera and providing an comparison DSS from the ESO.
> http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/
> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/haute006.htm
> http://www.troubled-times.com/teams/rogue/jan19_image
As shown on my pages (see 1st link above) Pierre-Eric's own supplied
PSS2 image (mislabled as DSS from ESO) showed that the stars you
circled had been at the same location for many years and that your
planet was not, in fact, imaged by him.

> The reaction was to huddle and then the NEAT images taken on Jan 19,
> 2002 shows odd contradictions indications of a poorly done doctoring
> job, and were unavailable from the NASA web site for a month. So WHY
> would they be bothering to change the NEAT chart, when the object is
> moving and they?d be chasing it, an unknown path, with the Zeta
> coordinates only being given out six weeks or so in the future at a
> time?
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90458.htm
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90460.htm
> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90487.htm
> http://www.troubled-times.com/teams/rogue/jan17_neat
> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm

As you know, the contradictions claimed by Havas turned out to be a
mistake which he has partially acknowleged. He was comparing apples
with oranges with grapes and puzzled over why they did not look the
same.

> Well, I got an urge to go in and check the Path diagram, showing roughly
> where the Zetas have predicted Planet X would be from now until March 3,
> 2003, and it HIT ME! The point where Planet X is NOW, in its path, is
> darn close to where it will appear (per the Zeta prediction) on March 3,
> 2003! Very little motion expected! So, safe bet to build in an
> ?existing object? on the NEAT charts, claim it was there all along, and
> as it gets brighter come up with some safe explaination like a brown
> dward FAR away going poof (or whatever they do). This should last for a
> YEAR, if they are lucky, so then can continue to shore up the carry-on
> government in bunkers, stockpile food for the rich and powerful in their
> enclaves, talk up the economy, and keep the little man dumb and happy
> until the last minute!

I don't follow this. Your predicted position of your planet varies
greatly over the next 14 months. The images we have posted showing
that your planet does not exist have a size of a few arc-minutes (less
than 10 arc-minutes on a side). That is a size in your
decimal_hours/decimal_degrees notation of about RA 0.012 by DEC 0.16
on a side. Your posted coordinates range far beyond this. From Jan 3,
2002 to Apr 5, 2002 you say the planet will change in RA by almost
0.05 (4.45657 to 4.41768) which is about 1/3 degree or almost the
diameter of the full moon. That's far from sitting still. It would
take your planet across about 4 times the diameter of the OHP or IMO
images.

> And if the Alternate Explanation comes out now, Zeta RIGHT Again!

As I have just demonstrated, WRONG again.