On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:29:27 GMT, Jon Kvebaek <usenet@nihilum.net> in
sci.astro wrote:

>Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@zetatalk.com> writes:
>
>> Steve Havas has identified CHANGES in process on DSS images and NEAT
>> images provided to the public as existing Star Charts!
>
>and sci.astro has noticed changes in your and Steve's perception of
>planet x! what used to be a planet at 11th mag seen by Steve Havas is
>now all of a sudden a 20th magnitude speck detectable by you alone on
>a ccd image. did someone in Niburu Town turn off the lights?

Guess again....
it was 1st a 2nd mag object...
then a 11th mag object
now it is 20+ mag object...

IT is getting dimmer which means it is getting farther away

>can you answer the question posed to you hundreds of times now? is
>Steve Havas lying, are you lying, or is it the Zetas? it has to be
>someone, if not all of you.

I suspect it is two of them, Nancy and Steve Haas. The Zetas, like the
easter bunny and santa claus are fictional.

>> This CHANGE, in process, began promptly after my announcement on
>> sci.astro that new infrared images had been take on January 19, 2002
>> at the coordinates given by the Zetas. Steve made note that David
>> Tholen, who works in Hawaii where the NEAT program is headquartered,
>> was out of pocket and had no comment for days after this
>> announcement. Humm.
>
>on your little cult group (tt-watch) you claim that Tholen works for
>NEAT, something he has repeatedly denied. here you only say that he's
>located where it's headquarters are. you are in USA, the headquarters
>of CIA. "humm".

and other cults.

>> We suggest those who have copies of existing Star Charts KEEP THEM
>> as the past is changing before your very eyes!
>
>damn right it is, especially you "predictions" and facts.
>
>> What the PATH of the changing past, as it following, like a panting
>> dog, after the Zeta Coordinates!
>
>speak like Yoda you do. shame you don't have half the wits.

No wits.

Please remove SAA from any replies to Nancy.



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Nokwsi

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Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@zetatalk.com> wrote in message news:<3C7EA2FF.9D02FC71@zetatalk.com>...
> Steve Havas has identified CHANGES in process on DSS images and NEAT
> images provided to the public as existing Star Charts! This CHANGE, in
> process, began promptly after my announcement on sci.astro that new
> infrared images had been take on January 19, 2002 at the coordinates
> given by the Zetas. Steve made note that David Tholen, who works in
> Hawaii where the NEAT program is headquartered, was out of pocket and
> had no comment for days after this announcement. Humm.

<snip long, boring, ZetaCult conspiracy theory>

This coming from someone who now intentionally supresses information
on her TT-watch Yahoo group, decides what the readers will be allowed
to see, and who intiated a coup in the takeover of the group,
assigning her right hand man to manage the content of the posts.

You know, when you do something wrong, claim it was the other guy that
did it first. When your opinion is opposed, attack the people instead
of defending your statements. Right out of the Scientology handbook,
Nancy. Never try to defend your statements, attack the opposition
instead. Take the spotlight off the matter at hand, and point it
elsewhere.

Steve Havas is now an expert in astrometrics and CCD imaging. How
quaint.

Steve Havas backtracks on his claimed sighting on the TT-watch group:

"Michael, what shows up on this image does not change my description
of my
sighting last April in which I reported that the object or whatever I
observed looked like a dark, fuzzy spot that I could only see when I
moved
my eye and looked around the area and not by looking directly at it.
So,
hardly noticeable but I DID notice and made sure by looking several
times.
The Zeta's subsequently stated that I did in fact see the one and only
Planet X. The new CCD image shows a faint, fuzzy spot which anyone can
see
by looking at and which the Zeta's say is the same Planet X. So, do I
know
if this is the same object I saw last April? No, of course not! But, I
do
believe PX is coming to a town near everyone soon so you connect the
dots..."

He claims the Zetas (Nancy) told him that he saw it now. Nancy claims
Steve saw it. Does he know if he saw it? Nope, he only knows the Zetas
told him he saw it.
Backpedaling at its finest. Sorry Steve-O, it's too late to save face
now. Nancy made a liar out of you for her own benefit. You fell right
into her trap, and she manipulated you.

So the truth comes out, Nancy tells Steve he saw it, then tells the
world as "documented proof" that Steve said he saw it. Information
manipulation at its finest.

Nancy, and you have the balls to make claims that others are
manipulating information? Your new pit bull Jan is tossing people off
tt-watch faster than they can join..is this open information? You
make claims about Hubble images being suppressed, but suppress
information and members opinions on your own newsgroup?

What a hypocrite you are. "Service to Others" at its finest moment of
glory. I only hope the tt-watch members come here for both sides of
the story. At least there's one place they can come that isn't run by
fear, intimidation and information suppresion.