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Well, the ZetaCult's infamous no-last-name "internal auditor" has made

a move to "take over" the TT-watch yahoo group from it's moderators.

Apparently Mr. Jan Nolastname has asked that they all be removed (I

wonder by who, who removes the police?) and be replaced with

moderators that are under Nancy's control. JosX went on a flaming,

torrid and vulgar attack on another list member, and was banned from

the site - twice apparently. Since he supports the Cult and his target

did not, Jan went ballistic when the "posse" enforced the rules.

I guess he doesn't like it much when the cult is exposed to

information that the cult leader doesn't agree with. Martial Law

declared in the ZetaCult. STS in it's full force. No law but Nancy

and Jan's law. Take control, take the power from the members. Quiet

the truth at all costs. Jan feels that rules are only required when

they suit the Cult. The rules were not meant for Jan, or Nancy, or

other cult members with their head up their butt, just those that came

there to look for information or to question the Cult Leader.

Scientology lessons at their best. If you have opponents, attack them

and remove them. If there are no opponents, there is no need to fear.

The message will stay intact to the cult members without fear of

anyone defecting. Attack the people personally, not the rules or what

they stand for.

This hilarious knee-jerk response from Mr Jan Nolastname is a typical

Cult methodology used to control it's members when they feel they are

threatened from an outside force or knowledge that's obviously true

and/or contrary to the Cult's teachings.

Thanks Mr.Jan Nolastname, for enlightening the masses as to the true

nature of ZetaCult and it's leader, Nancy Lieder. BTW Jan, are you

opting for a position as lap dog for Nancy? Does Nancy have a collar

and a leash for you already?

"--- In tt-watch@y..., "Jan" <anybody@a...> wrote:

> TT Members & Listers,

>

> It is obvious to me that the TT Posse (or so-called "List Police") is not

> fulfilling its purpose.

>

> Lately, we have had Laura McDonald calling JosX a disruptor because he

> questioned the Posse, and stating that she's "Glad you're here Michael" to

> our infamous disruptor. A few months ago she also got into a heated debate

> on TT Watch about STO or STS, implants etc. where she clearly showed she did

> not understand the TT premises.

So, off with their heads!! Let Jan Nolastname Move up the Cult ladder

to the top. He's a prime example of the Cult, He deserves to be there.

>

> George Ganter recently stated that "Michael is a skeptic, but he is a

> skeptic with serious equipment and astronomical knowledge. He has searched

> for Planet X at the Zetas' coordinates on several occasions along with

> numerous other amateur astronomers who he engaged in the effort [...]", even

> though Michael himself has stated that he will not search for Planet X until

> the Zetas say it can be seen in amateur telescopes.

Note here: Michael has always stated he will not attempt to image

Planet X, not "search for it", until Nancy says that he is able to

with his grade of telescope.

>

> George also mentioned Sol, who stepped down from the TT Board a few months

> ago due to his inappropriate behavior in attacking another TT officer,

> namely Nancy. Previously, Sol had stated in an e-mail to another disruptor

> (remember Christer, anyone?) that he thought Nancy was insane, whereupon

> said disruptor forwarded that e-mail to Nancy & me. Is Sol still a member of

> the Posse?

Jan didn't mention that Nancy attacked Sol in full force, bringing up

his past in a sordid and blatent attempt to discredit the man, not the

message. Even the Cult members were embarrased by Nancy, causing a few

of her "higher ups" to leave the cult. The attack was from Nancy

towards Sol, because Sol dared to stand behind Mark Hazelwood when she

attack ed him as well. Sol just stood his ground and wouldn't back

down to Nancy. Good man. He's a credit to the remaining cult members.

If he can do it, so can you.

>

> The TT Posse as it currently operates seems to quietly encourage attacks on

> Nancy or her "followers" to the level where the TT Watch list is losing its

> focus. (There are a few Posse members I highly respect and never would

> accuse of supporting any such attacks, namely Clipper and Brent. It may seem

> they are outnumbered by the rest of the Posse when it comes to allowing the

> current misconduct on the TT Watch list.)

Note that Jan's use of the word "attacks", means when the truth is

brought forth, or when an alternative approach is discussed. Note also

that "Brent" is one of Nancy's higher ups, and she uses him to

discredit Mark Hazelwood constantly over a $100 deal that fell

through. That makes Mark H a con artist, and the $50,000+ that Nancy

has gleaned in over the years is considered "Service to Others".

>

> In addition to the postings from Michael L Cunningham, I find a number of

> recent postings out of line without any comment whatsoever from the Posse.

> Such postings have been noted from Otto Zork, Bill Glenn, Brian Gillbanks,

> Stephen Spiesser et al. This has also lead to a number of their followers

> making themselves heard with negative comments, still without a word from

> the Posse.

Geez Jan, hard to handle when they outnumber you a billion to one,

isn't it?

In other words, Jan can't handle it when an alternative discussion

comes about, or a view not in line with the Cult's. Jan's post in

itself was a violation of the list policies. Naturally, since Jan and

Nancy are the primaries of the ZetaCult, they are above reproach and

not liable for anything they do or say. Follow the money - Jan and

Nancy.

>

> Given the current state of the TT Posse, I hereby call for the dismissal of

> this group as the TT list moderators, to be replaced by an appointed officer

> acting as the primary TT List Moderator. For this position, I would like to

> nominate Clipper. (I do know that Clipper will be unavailable for much of

> this summer, but still think he is the right man for this position.)

Who the hell does he think he is anyhow? LMCLAO - "I hereby call for

the dismissal of the TT list moderators". Visions of God in his head?

Maybe he'd be happier if the TT-watch list was just him and Nancy -

then he'd have her all to himself. Of course, Nancy won't have any of

that....since the donations to the Cult would fall off drasticly..

>

> The TT Moderator can himself appoint assistants as necessary. In addition,

> all members of the TT Board should be able to step in as moderators if

> needed.

"All members of the board" - meaning he's delegating authority to

himself without anyone else's opinion. Martial Law - isn't that what

the cult members are all afraid of? If Jan Nolastname keeps this up,

Nancy won't be happy at all. The cult members will be leaving faster

than they are already.

Hey Jan, I'm a member of your cult list too. I've never posted, but

just wait till I do. You'd better be a moderator by then, and you'd

best be watching the board every second of the day. I suggest your

pending coup is done quickly and effectively.

>

> Regards,

> Jan

This from another Cult member in reply to Jan Nolastname, obviously

looking to brown nose her way up through the ranks. Probably looking

for Jan Nolastname's job as "Internal Auditor" - after all, a few

beans missing from the pot are no big deal, right?

"I agree, Jan. I see many instances on other lists where these

negative

comments by current tt-members are played to advantage when they can

crow:

"Even TT members are saying Nancy is crazy." "Even TT members are

saying the

purpose of implants is just to control their minds for evil purposes."

The

people on this list should support the premise of the Troubled Times

website.

If they have a change of heart and suddenly cannot believe in

benevolent aliens

or Planet X, they should go quietly and politely away, not start

trying to

sabotage the group. I agree with your assessments of the posse.

There are many ways to sabotage the Planet X message, and it's so much

easier

if it is done by insiders.

I'm politely asking those of the posse and others on this list: If you

do not

support the premise of Troubled Times please do not post to or

moderate this

list. We do not want or need to be concverted to your new religion. We

do not

need to be saved by you or your new gods. Respect our beliefs and

allow us to

express them here in peace without snide remarks from you. Thank you.

Milly"

lol - That last paragraph is hilarious. Geeez is it possible that can

make themselves even more cult-like? I wonder if "Milly" has a large

stock of instant Kool-aid?

The fear and panic spreads through the ZetaCult as Nancy's predictions

fail miserably, and her foolish science is brought to task by 10 year

old elementary students.

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On 24 Feb 2002 12:08:28 -0800, sarahmac@hotpop.com (Sarah Mc) typ:

>Well, the ZetaCult's infamous no-last-name "internal auditor"

His name is Jan Rypdal.

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"Sarah Mc" wrote:

> Well, the ZetaCult's infamous no-last-name "internal auditor" has made

> a move to "take over" the TT-watch yahoo group from it's moderators.

How can it be a "takeover" if an officer of an organization realizes that a

part of the organization does not function as required, and asks for

corrective actions? Did you miss out on Nancy's follow-up posting, where she

puts this to a vote by the membership?

> Apparently Mr. Jan Nolastname has asked that they all be removed (I

> wonder by who, who removes the police?) and be replaced with

> moderators that are under Nancy's control. JosX went on a flaming,

> torrid and vulgar attack on another list member, and was banned from

> the site - twice apparently. Since he supports the Cult and his target

> did not, Jan went ballistic when the "posse" enforced the rules.

Problem is, the Posse has *not* enforced the existing rules. JosX made an

unfounded ex-military connection between disruptor Michael L Cunningham and

part of the Posse, whereafter he became the target istead of said disruptor.

> I guess he doesn't like it much when the cult is exposed to

> information that the cult leader doesn't agree with. Martial Law

> declared in the ZetaCult. STS in it's full force. No law but Nancy

> and Jan's law. Take control, take the power from the members.

Quite the contrary, this is now being put before the members to decide.

<snip rest of cult crap>

Regards,

Jan

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"Jan" <not@home.com> writes:

>

> Did you miss out on Nancy's follow-up posting, where she puts this

> to a vote by the membership?

But only to those members that Nancy sees fit to vote.

--

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

-- Philip K. Dick, "How to Build a Universe"

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"Jan" <not@home.com> wrote in message news:<V1de8.11329$HL2.269476@news2.ulv.nextra.no>...

> "Sarah Mc" wrote:

>

> > Well, the ZetaCult's infamous no-last-name "internal auditor" has made

> > a move to "take over" the TT-watch yahoo group from it's moderators.

>

> How can it be a "takeover" if an officer of an organization realizes that a

> part of the organization does not function as required, and asks for

> corrective actions? Did you miss out on Nancy's follow-up posting, where she

> puts this to a vote by the membership?

Did you not read your own bylaws, Jan Nolastname Internal Auditor and

board member? I quote:

"The nonprofit organization, Troubled Times, Inc. is a separate entity

from

this volunteer group, but shares the same goals and values. Though

many

individuals are members in both groups, they are separate legal

entities.

This volunteer group is under no obligation to adhear to any of the

Troubled

Times, Inc. bylaws, nor is it under any restrictions or stipulations

that

grants to Troubled Times, Inc. may require. Troubled Times, Inc., the

nonprofit

organization, hopes to further the goals expressed by both Troubled

Times

groups through prototype development, experimentation, and media

outreach."

Therefore, you had no right to call for any such vote to begin with,

nor did Nancy have the right to send out ballots (to whoever she

decided would vote in favor of you and Nancy). ZetaCult is starting to

look like it's own worst fear. I hope there's never a vote on the kool

aid, Jan.

>

> > Apparently Mr. Jan Nolastname has asked that they all be removed (I

> > wonder by who, who removes the police?) and be replaced with

> > moderators that are under Nancy's control. JosX went on a flaming,

> > torrid and vulgar attack on another list member, and was banned from

> > the site - twice apparently. Since he supports the Cult and his target

> > did not, Jan went ballistic when the "posse" enforced the rules.

>

> Problem is, the Posse has *not* enforced the existing rules. JosX made an

> unfounded ex-military connection between disruptor Michael L Cunningham and

> part of the Posse, whereafter he became the target istead of said disruptor.

Sounds to me ( and to most of the posters at TT-watch) like JosX was

the disruptor, attacking both Mike Cunningham and Clipper both. Did

you expect Mike and Clipper to just sit there and take the

anti-american, anti-military trash from JosX? I beleive both replies

from Clipper and Mike were much more laid back than the nasty attack

that was sent directly at them. Try as you will Jan, you're defending

one of your own who made a nasty personal attack on members of the

group. Now you want to remove those that made the correct decision,

because it didn't sit in favor with you or Nancy.

This is typical ZetaCult - beyond reproach and just full of

self-righteousness. No one, but no one - can question the Authority of

the Cult Leader of her minions.

Who are you to decide how they interpret the rules anyhow? You're a

board member of the TT non-profit, and thereby not allowed to

interfere in the handling of the TT-watch groups. Are you going to

rewrite the bylaws now to fit your own needs Jan? Or maybe to fit

Nancy's?

>

> > I guess he doesn't like it much when the cult is exposed to

> > information that the cult leader doesn't agree with. Martial Law

> > declared in the ZetaCult. STS in it's full force. No law but Nancy

> > and Jan's law. Take control, take the power from the members.

>

> Quite the contrary, this is now being put before the members to decide.

>

Interesting that I didn't get a ballot. I'm a member of the TT-watch

Yahoo group. I guess the Blacks, Hispanics, women, conservatives and

republicans aren't allowed to vote. But hey, the board members of TT

non-profit will vote, you can rest assured of that. Even though

they're not supposed to interfere with the TT-watch discussion group.

This follows typical ZetaCult logic. And it also smells of corruption

at the highest levels, power mongering, and the need for full control.

Aren't these STS characteristics? Who pulls the chains at ZetaCult -

could it be - Nancy Lieder?

As stated elsewhere, ballots were sent by NANCY (another board member,

VP and treasurer in fact, with no President) to whomever she decided

she would send them to. Sounds real democratic, real STO. Jan, you

have your head up your ass and all you can see there is Nancy.

Nice try Jan, but as usual your logic fails by many degrees of common

sense.

Time to get your nose out and get some air.

> <snip rest of cult crap>

No one said the truth never hurt, Jan. A Cult is a Cult is a Cult.

Read it and weep.