The Skeptical Mind : ZetaTalk, The Grand Conspiracy 1995

Sol turns his back on Nancy and the Zetas

From: "Sol" <volimerc@y...
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [ZetaAstro] Nibiru, Zetas, Anna Hayes and the search for truth

Tristan Perrier wrote:
>> ''They have instead an artificial planetary body which is inbound and
probably will arrive in 2003 to fulfill the prophesies of the Zetas.'' >>

This is a very interesting message, Tristan, and definitely a point to
consider.

Especially nowadays, only a year before the predicted Passage, when our
scientist and astronomer friends are telling us that Nancy Lieder's "Zeta"
coordinates and observations are patently incorrect, and even that the entire
"Planet Nibiru in 2003" scenario is a scientific impossibility. I feel that
it's idiotic to call every one of those scientists, professional or amateur, an
"agent of the government" with a "disinformation agenda". No, I think that many
of them are telling us what they themselves have honestly observed and believe
(I won't name any names, Cunningham (:-) .)

Well, I actually don't treat today's version of science as "God's Final Truth",
some of our accepted theories sound intuitively wrong to me, but it's not
something I can logically argue about, it's just a feeling. Point is, it's very
likely that there are still many "natural" forces around, which our science has
not yet discovered. For examle, various "mind energies" and such, which
definitely exist and have even been observed by "recognized scientists," but we
simply don't know how to count and measure yet, and so on.

Thus, the mere fact that scientists tell me it's impossible - would ordinarily
not be enough for me to start sriously doubting what my mind has been yelling
for the past twenty years, namely that we're nearing The Transformation, a
Paradigm Shift, and also that a Cataclysm is in store for our planet soon.

Unfortunately, we're still living in a world where some people enjoy
dominating, controlling and otherwise generally using others for their own
ends. Thus I think there is also a strong likelihood that at least some of
those who're pretending to be telling us "the truth" about the coming Changes,
are either deliberately or recklessly feeding us with some misinformation. And
from my lawyering days (sorry) I know that when you tell a Big Lie - in order
to be really effective, most of it has to be the truth, with just a couple of
"minor" details changed (such as, "ok, it happened just as you say, by it
wasn't me who did it" (:-) .)

When I first encountered the ZetaTalk site about three years ago, the overall
scenario they presented sounded very true to me intuitively, just like it
must've to many others here. I believed in it. With time, however, it started
becoming apparent that the Zeta message is subtly changing. A similar change
was occuring in the Messenger herself.

Now the "Zetas" are openly saying, through the mouths of Nancy and others, that
if you don't want to be part of a High-Tech Aftertime Community, it means
you're an STS person, an egotist. Not wanting to receive a Zeta implant also
means you're an STS. And so on. Meanwhile the beautiful virtual community that
grew up beside the Zeta story, deteriorated into I won't even say what (and is
controlled by I won't say what passions.) And yet some people there still
beleive they're speaking on behalf of the same Zetas.

I personally believe that at a certain point Nancy stopped listening to STO
beings. Many of the "Zeta" messages she put out over the past year and a half
or so could not have come from such beings, there's simply too much meanness
and nastiness there. I believe that there's a strong likelihood that she's now
being used as a mouthpiece by STS beings, who have a pretty obvious agenda. All
the signs are there for those who would care to see them.

(Assuming, of course, that we believe in the existense extraterrestrial beings
who, like humans, are also similarly divided along the lines of STO and STS
orientations. It's a simple and in a way childish theory, but a very useful one
to explain the various manifestations of what we call Good and Evil in the
world, and so I accept it as fact.)

And even if I'm wrong and there has been no change in either ZT or the TT, it's
possible that the "early" Zeta messages could also be a fancy bit of
misinformation, with everything there nearly true and only some vital facts
distorted. Such as the May 2003 date, for example, or the fact that the
impeding Cataclysm will come from the arriving Planet X, and not from another
direction, like an errant asteroid or comet or someone's Slaveship.

Anyhow, sorry for getting carried away with this discourse. My point (at last!)
is that knowing what we do now, it's no longer so far-fetched to believe even
in Battlestar Nibiru, what used to seem so ridiculous in the past. But heck,
now I think that with all these aliens and their agendas, anything's possible.

And frankly, although I find all of this is highly interesting, none of it will
matter a hoot for The Transformation, which is something personal that each of
us has to undergo. And so I know that undergo it we WILL, whether Nibiru is an
actual planet, a horrifically beweaponed Death Machine, or a pigment of
someone's emancipation.

Sol

From: "Sol" <volimerc@y...
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [ZetaAstro] Nibiru, Zetas, Anna Hayes and the search for truth

Tristan Perrier wrote:
>> ''They have instead an artificial planetary body which is inbound and
probably will arrive in 2003 to fulfill the prophesies of the Zetas.'' >>

This is a very interesting message, Tristan, and definitely a point to
consider.

Especially nowadays, only a year before the predicted Passage, when our
scientist and astronomer friends are telling us that Nancy Lieder's "Zeta"
coordinates and observations are patently incorrect, and even that the entire
"Planet Nibiru in 2003" scenario is a scientific impossibility. I feel that
it's idiotic to call every one of those scientists, professional or amateur, an
"agent of the government" with a "disinformation agenda". No, I think that many
of them are telling us what they themselves have honestly observed and believe
(I won't name any names, Cunningham (:-) .)

Well, I actually don't treat today's version of science as "God's Final Truth",
some of our accepted theories sound intuitively wrong to me, but it's not
something I can logically argue about, it's just a feeling. Point is, it's very
likely that there are still many "natural" forces around, which our science has
not yet discovered. For examle, various "mind energies" and such, which
definitely exist and have even been observed by "recognized scientists," but we
simply don't know how to count and measure yet, and so on.

Thus, the mere fact that scientists tell me it's impossible - would ordinarily
not be enough for me to start sriously doubting what my mind has been yelling
for the past twenty years, namely that we're nearing The Transformation, a
Paradigm Shift, and also that a Cataclysm is in store for our planet soon.

Unfortunately, we're still living in a world where some people enjoy
dominating, controlling and otherwise generally using others for their own
ends. Thus I think there is also a strong likelihood that at least some of
those who're pretending to be telling us "the truth" about the coming Changes,
are either deliberately or recklessly feeding us with some misinformation. And
from my lawyering days (sorry) I know that when you tell a Big Lie - in order
to be really effective, most of it has to be the truth, with just a couple of
"minor" details changed (such as, "ok, it happened just as you say, by it
wasn't me who did it" (:-) .)

When I first encountered the ZetaTalk site about three years ago, the overall
scenario they presented sounded very true to me intuitively, just like it
must've to many others here. I believed in it. With time, however, it started
becoming apparent that the Zeta message is subtly changing. A similar change
was occuring in the Messenger herself.

Now the "Zetas" are openly saying, through the mouths of Nancy and others, that
if you don't want to be part of a High-Tech Aftertime Community, it means
you're an STS person, an egotist. Not wanting to receive a Zeta implant also
means you're an STS. And so on. Meanwhile the beautiful virtual community that
grew up beside the Zeta story, deteriorated into I won't even say what (and is
controlled by I won't say what passions.) And yet some people there still
beleive they're speaking on behalf of the same Zetas.

I personally believe that at a certain point Nancy stopped listening to STO
beings. Many of the "Zeta" messages she put out over the past year and a half
or so could not have come from such beings, there's simply too much meanness
and nastiness there. I believe that there's a strong likelihood that she's now
being used as a mouthpiece by STS beings, who have a pretty obvious agenda. All
the signs are there for those who would care to see them.

(Assuming, of course, that we believe in the existense extraterrestrial beings
who, like humans, are also similarly divided along the lines of STO and STS
orientations. It's a simple and in a way childish theory, but a very useful one
to explain the various manifestations of what we call Good and Evil in the
world, and so I accept it as fact.)

And even if I'm wrong and there has been no change in either ZT or the TT, it's
possible that the "early" Zeta messages could also be a fancy bit of
misinformation, with everything there nearly true and only some vital facts
distorted. Such as the May 2003 date, for example, or the fact that the
impeding Cataclysm will come from the arriving Planet X, and not from another
direction, like an errant asteroid or comet or someone's Slaveship.

Anyhow, sorry for getting carried away with this discourse. My point (at last!)
is that knowing what we do now, it's no longer so far-fetched to believe even
in Battlestar Nibiru, what used to seem so ridiculous in the past. But heck,
now I think that with all these aliens and their agendas, anything's possible.

And frankly, although I find all of this is highly interesting, none of it will
matter a hoot for The Transformation, which is something personal that each of
us has to undergo. And so I know that undergo it we WILL, whether Nibiru is an
actual planet, a horrifically beweaponed Death Machine, or a pigment of
someone's emancipation.

Sol