The Skeptical Mind : ZetaTalk, The Grand Conspiracy 1995

From: geymfg@bellsouth.net (RT)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: IMO's images have upped the ante for Nancy and Company
Date: 26 Apr 2002 20:09:00 -0700

Between November of 2001 and January 2002 I acted as liaison between
the astronomer I AM OPENMINDED and Nancy of ZetaTalk. I provided IMO
with the ‘special' southeast coordinates obtained from Nancy and her
presumed Zeta cohorts. As I mentioned in the introduction
(description) to IMO's site, I am an educator in south Florida
(southeast connection) and like many of you have a sincere interest in
finding out the truth concerning the Planet X riddle. I have no
agenda other than determining the authenticity of Nancy's claims. I
am not a professional researcher but having done extensive research
for advanced degrees, I knew early on that the only way to arrive at
a valid conclusion was to put her claimed coordinates to test and
enlist the aid of an astronomer. I did exactly that and the debate
continues even after it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that
Nancy's circle DOES NOT mark the spot. Frankly I‘m appalled at the
level of blind acceptance of the astronomical material presented in
ZetaTalk. The simple fact is, that unless something is verifiable it
is in the realm of theory or conjecture, not science. Because of this
acceptance of unverifiable non-evidence, it suggests that Nancy's
following is primarily a young audience lacking in critical thinking
skills. The sycophantic behavior exhibited by a good number of her
following has in turn resulted in the "Cult " label. An unfair
although perfectly understandable conclusion. I have had extensive
experience with cults and I would simply label her following as
misguided youth.

But I digress. Getting back to the issue at hand, ( whether IMO or
Nancy/Zeta's have the hard evidence). Examine the following. When
Nancy was proven wrong both astronomically and mathematically by IMO's
scientific evidence, Nancy stayed in character and continued to
deceive her audience with her remarkable ability to re-invent the
facts and perpetuate her New Age Science. If you are wondering why
Jim Scotti has not answered Nancy's challenge re-read the last
sentence. He has no intention of engaging Nancy in a frivolous
exercise. IMO is of the same mind set, except he has decided to
keep Nancy honest. In truth, IMO's images have upped the ante for
Nancy and Company and have now made her truly accountable. I would
have loved to have been a fly on the wall when she first viewed his
images. I envision a Chinese fire drill in damage control! So how
does she spin this new wrinkle in her web scam? With her infamous Red
Circle and French Connection. The fact of the matter is, that after
the introduction of IMO's images into the debates she lost a number of
key people and her U.S. audience began to wane, hence her seeking a
broader audience in Europe and France. When all else fails France!
Didn't Jerry Lewis do that? Those of you who are students of history
should know better than to rely on anything coming out of France.
Some of them didn't even know what side to come in on in WWII. And
they were occupied! Therefore I wouldn't give much credibility to
Pierre and the bogus interpretations of his images. Nor should you
place much faith in the supposed sighting of X at NeuChatel.
Immediately after that supposed sighting I contacted the head
astronomer. No hemming, hawing or side stepping the issue, just a
flat out ‘never happened'. Cover-up? Anything is possible. Bogus
report? Highly likely. I suggest that if Nancy wants to import
anything French, she should stick to wine and cheese.

Now that I'm on the subject of bogus, take a look at the new Planet X
Video being marketed now. This is another example of the marriage
between pseudo science and misguided youth. Mr. Sepehr, in what
appears to be a sincere attempt to examine the facts has presented to
the public an Art Bell assortment of so called authorities on the
subject with Nancy topping the list. You already know what I think of
Nancy. But let's take that a step further. If she is in league with
an alien race, who, by some estimations have a billion year leap on us
in evolution, are capable of interplanetary as well as
multi-dimensional travel, why haven't they provided us with an image?
Why? And Nancy, please don't answer this with your non-interference
cop-out......... Nancy, if you have been implanted with alien DNA
like you claim, they have already interfered in the most intimate of
ways. Let's face it, you want believers? Submit to medical tests or
admit you are a sham. But what of the others? Mark Hazelwood….. ………
has anyone aside from myself picked up a telephone to speak with Mr.
Hazelwood? I have done so twice and on both occasions he was more
interested in selling me his book then in offering any credible
evidence. I am not a supporter of Nancy but even I have to ask; what
are these two people doing on the same page? Hazelwood's book is a
blatant rip off of ZetaTalk and it should be obvious that he is in it
for the money. Giving credibility to a plagiarist whether it's BS or
not doesn't lend credibility to Mr. Sepehr ‘s cause. Lloyd Pye,
James McCanney, Hazelwood like Mr. Sepehr are all trying to sell you
something. To the serious researcher, that should raise a flag of
suspicion. Only those who are intellectually bankrupt would even
consider this a valid documentary. Jason Martell does a better job
although there is nothing new there. At least Martell is not trying
to sell you something. As I told Mr. Sepehr, he needs to be more
discriminating as to who he interviews. What he presents is nothing
more than a poor man's ‘Ancient Mysteries' and it will never reach
network television. Not because of it being blocked by the
government, but because it is poor reporting. As far a Mr. Sepehr
is concerned, I'll be kind and attribute his folly to youthful
ignorance.

If you haven't picked up the thread yet, IMO is the real deal and to
date no one, and I will repeat, NO ONE has brought forth more
conclusive evidence that X does not mark the spot then IMO. If you
are still a doubting Thomas and think IMO is a disinformation agent
of the government and is not giving you a "full exposure", I have
made the following suggestion to IMO and he is taking it under
consideration…........... Based on the Zeta coordinates, I have
proposed that he take an on going series of CCD images and post them
for all to see. A picture of the month so to speak. If there is
movement of Nancy's noise blob in concordance with the Zeta's
predicted path, Nancy is vindicated and everyone should head to the
hills. If not, it's time to put this to rest and get Nancy some
serious help.

Orion is in the sun at the moment. Be patient. Hopefully IMO can
find time to do this along with his serious research.

RT


	IMO's images have upped the ante for Nancy and Company
	From: geymfg@bellsouth.net (RT) Newsgroups: sci.astro Subject: IMO's images have upped the ante for Nancy and Company Date: 26 Apr 2002 20:09:00 -0700 Between November of 2001 and January 2002 I acted as liaison between the astronomer I AM OPENMINDED and Nancy of ZetaTalk. I provided IMO with the ‘special' southeast coordinates obtained from Nancy and her presumed Zeta cohorts. As I mentioned in the introduction (description) to IMO's site, I am an educator in south Florida (southeast connection) and like many of you have a sincere interest in finding out the truth concerning the Planet X riddle. I have no agenda other than determining the authenticity of Nancy's claims. I am not a professional researcher but having done extensive research for advanced degrees, I knew early on that the only way to arrive at a valid conclusion was to put her claimed coordinates to test and enlist the aid of an astronomer. I did exactly that and the debate continues even after it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Nancy's circle DOES NOT mark the spot. Frankly I‘m appalled at the level of blind acceptance of the astronomical material presented in ZetaTalk. The simple fact is, that unless something is verifiable it is in the realm of theory or conjecture, not science. Because of this acceptance of unverifiable non-evidence, it suggests that Nancy's following is primarily a young audience lacking in critical thinking skills. The sycophantic behavior exhibited by a good number of her following has in turn resulted in the "Cult " label. An unfair although perfectly understandable conclusion. I have had extensive experience with cults and I would simply label her following as misguided youth. But I digress. Getting back to the issue at hand, ( whether IMO or Nancy/Zeta's have the hard evidence). Examine the following. When Nancy was proven wrong both astronomically and mathematically by IMO's scientific evidence, Nancy stayed in character and continued to deceive her audience with her remarkable ability to re-invent the facts and perpetuate her New Age Science. If you are wondering why Jim Scotti has not answered Nancy's challenge re-read the last sentence. He has no intention of engaging Nancy in a frivolous exercise. IMO is of the same mind set, except he has decided to keep Nancy honest. In truth, IMO's images have upped the ante for Nancy and Company and have now made her truly accountable. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when she first viewed his images. I envision a Chinese fire drill in damage control! So how does she spin this new wrinkle in her web scam? With her infamous Red Circle and French Connection. The fact of the matter is, that after the introduction of IMO's images into the debates she lost a number of key people and her U.S. audience began to wane, hence her seeking a broader audience in Europe and France. When all else fails France! Didn't Jerry Lewis do that? Those of you who are students of history should know better than to rely on anything coming out of France. Some of them didn't even know what side to come in on in WWII. And they were occupied! Therefore I wouldn't give much credibility to Pierre and the bogus interpretations of his images. Nor should you place much faith in the supposed sighting of X at NeuChatel. Immediately after that supposed sighting I contacted the head astronomer. No hemming, hawing or side stepping the issue, just a flat out ‘never happened'. Cover-up? Anything is possible. Bogus report? Highly likely. I suggest that if Nancy wants to import anything French, she should stick to wine and cheese. Now that I'm on the subject of bogus, take a look at the new Planet X Video being marketed now. This is another example of the marriage between pseudo science and misguided youth. Mr. Sepehr, in what appears to be a sincere attempt to examine the facts has presented to the public an Art Bell assortment of so called authorities on the subject with Nancy topping the list. You already know what I think of Nancy. But let's take that a step further. If she is in league with an alien race, who, by some estimations have a billion year leap on us in evolution, are capable of interplanetary as well as multi-dimensional travel, why haven't they provided us with an image? Why? And Nancy, please don't answer this with your non-interference cop-out......... Nancy, if you have been implanted with alien DNA like you claim, they have already interfered in the most intimate of ways. Let's face it, you want believers? Submit to medical tests or admit you are a sham. But what of the others? Mark Hazelwood….. ……… has anyone aside from myself picked up a telephone to speak with Mr. Hazelwood? I have done so twice and on both occasions he was more interested in selling me his book then in offering any credible evidence. I am not a supporter of Nancy but even I have to ask; what are these two people doing on the same page? Hazelwood's book is a blatant rip off of ZetaTalk and it should be obvious that he is in it for the money. Giving credibility to a plagiarist whether it's BS or not doesn't lend credibility to Mr. Sepehr ‘s cause. Lloyd Pye, James McCanney, Hazelwood like Mr. Sepehr are all trying to sell you something. To the serious researcher, that should raise a flag of suspicion. Only those who are intellectually bankrupt would even consider this a valid documentary. Jason Martell does a better job although there is nothing new there. At least Martell is not trying to sell you something. As I told Mr. Sepehr, he needs to be more discriminating as to who he interviews. What he presents is nothing more than a poor man's ‘Ancient Mysteries' and it will never reach network television. Not because of it being blocked by the government, but because it is poor reporting. As far a Mr. Sepehr is concerned, I'll be kind and attribute his folly to youthful ignorance. If you haven't picked up the thread yet, IMO is the real deal and to date no one, and I will repeat, NO ONE has brought forth more conclusive evidence that X does not mark the spot then IMO. If you are still a doubting Thomas and think IMO is a disinformation agent of the government and is not giving you a "full exposure", I have made the following suggestion to IMO and he is taking it under consideration…........... Based on the Zeta coordinates, I have proposed that he take an on going series of CCD images and post them for all to see. A picture of the month so to speak. If there is movement of Nancy's noise blob in concordance with the Zeta's predicted path, Nancy is vindicated and everyone should head to the hills. If not, it's time to put this to rest and get Nancy some serious help. Orion is in the sun at the moment. Be patient. Hopefully IMO can find time to do this along with his serious research. RT
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