ZetaTalk : The Grand Conspiracy 1995 - 2003
First off, we should define what we mean by "grand conspiracy". A grand conspiracy is an often complex interweaving of various previously existing conspiracies in the attempt to both explain all of these theories and support a NEW conspiracy.
The main advantage to a grand conspiracy is that most of the underlaying "evidence" has already been well documented by numerous sources in public forums. The main disadvantage to these grand conspiracies is the old adage "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link". If any one of the underlaying conspiracy theories is found to be patently false, then everything else unravels. This disadvantage becomes particularly important when the verbage of the grand conspiracy in question is cast in absolute terms.
ZetaTalk was once the "mother" of grand conspiracy theories
What remains of ZetaTalk clearly speaks for itself and needs no explanation here -- visit the website. The "information" on ZetaTalk was cast in strictly absolute terms. Nancy Lieder, owner of the website, stated repeatedly that there could be no errors, inaccuracies or lies presented in it's material. In a rather voluminous amount of text, the website incorporated nearly every conspiracy theory of modern times and several from the last century. The main concept to this website was that we were soon to be visited by a worldwide cataclysmic event sometime in late May early June of 2003. The reader was encouraged by the overwhelming amount of text on the ZetaTalk website to make a "leap of faith" in believing the message of the Zetas. By design, the website seems to have presented more material than was necessary to support its message of cataclysm.
The main advantage to a grand conspiracy is that most of the underlaying "evidence" has already been well documented by numerous sources in public forums. The main disadvantage to these grand conspiracies is the old adage "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link". If any one of the underlaying conspiracy theories is found to be patently false, then everything else unravels. This disadvantage becomes particularly important when the verbage of the grand conspiracy in question is cast in absolute terms.
ZetaTalk was once the "mother" of grand conspiracy theories
What remains of ZetaTalk clearly speaks for itself and needs no explanation here -- visit the website. The "information" on ZetaTalk was cast in strictly absolute terms. Nancy Lieder, owner of the website, stated repeatedly that there could be no errors, inaccuracies or lies presented in it's material. In a rather voluminous amount of text, the website incorporated nearly every conspiracy theory of modern times and several from the last century. The main concept to this website was that we were soon to be visited by a worldwide cataclysmic event sometime in late May early June of 2003. The reader was encouraged by the overwhelming amount of text on the ZetaTalk website to make a "leap of faith" in believing the message of the Zetas. By design, the website seems to have presented more material than was necessary to support its message of cataclysm.
Related Forums :
Nancy Lieder's :
tt-watch
tt-social
tt-welcome
tt-forum
tt-news
"Break-Away"s :
tt-unmoderated
ZetaAstro
TheTransformation
tt-canada
M. Hazlewood :
planetx2003
Hazle-Centered :
preperation2003
prep2003prep
prep2003discuss
prep2003debate
spiritualprep2003
politicalprep2003
SurvivePX
Nancy Lieder's :
tt-watch
tt-social
tt-welcome
tt-forum
tt-news
"Break-Away"s :
tt-unmoderated
ZetaAstro
TheTransformation
tt-canada
M. Hazlewood :
planetx2003
Hazle-Centered :
preperation2003
prep2003prep
prep2003discuss
prep2003debate
spiritualprep2003
politicalprep2003
SurvivePX
It was apparent, even by ZetaTalk's own admission that the website would not be available to the public after the summer of 2003. Therefore, the website has been archived for the purpose of compiling an online documentary which will chronicle the nearly 8 years lifespan of this phenomena. How ZetaTalk came to be, who felt compelled to become involved, and most importantly the political and social effects it may have had on society at large.
Taking a closer look at just a few of ZetaTalk's "weakest links"
Richard Hoagland and the "face on mars"
From ZetaTalk :
"There is speculation that the Face on Mars and nearby pyramids were used as astronomical markers, and this was indeed their prime purpose."
"Mars today is a dead planet, but in the recent past this was not the case, as evidenced by the weathered structures on Mars reminiscent of the Great Pyramids and the Sphinx"
Here ZetaTalk sank itself with the statement confirming that Hoagland's "Face On Mars" is real. However, Hoagland's folly was debunked by NASA photography 3 years after ZetaTalk banked their credibility on his claims.
And what was Nancy Lieder's official response to a former member of her Yahoo discussion group tt-watch who raised this same contradiction? See below.
"Sorry, but ZetaTalk is ZetaTalk, in other words, their words, and this does
not get changed. In fact, there are varrying OPINIONS about Moon/Mars, and
I for one find many of the photos and the like compelling, and have heard
Hoagland speak, etc. It's a worthy subject in my, Nancy's opinion. In any
group as large as TT, there will be many differing opinions, of course, and
this TOPIC has many many fans." (from tt-watch, Wed Jul 5, 2000 12:23 pm)
So, with this statement Nancy Lieder seems to say that ZetaTalk is not about accuracy, but is about pleasing the unsubstantiated opinions of its "many many fans".
Also, interesting to note : Nancy stated that she had heard Hoagland speak and implied that his theories have a worthy air of legitimacy. But, the real mystery is why the supposed "emmisary" to a race of super-advanced and infallable alien visitors would need to listen to the phony drivel conjured up by the likes of Richard Hoagland. And, what do opinions have to do with supposed intractable statements of fact made by these aliens?
From ZetaTalk :
"There is speculation that the Face on Mars and nearby pyramids were used as astronomical markers, and this was indeed their prime purpose."
"Mars today is a dead planet, but in the recent past this was not the case, as evidenced by the weathered structures on Mars reminiscent of the Great Pyramids and the Sphinx"
Here ZetaTalk sank itself with the statement confirming that Hoagland's "Face On Mars" is real. However, Hoagland's folly was debunked by NASA photography 3 years after ZetaTalk banked their credibility on his claims.
And what was Nancy Lieder's official response to a former member of her Yahoo discussion group tt-watch who raised this same contradiction? See below.
"Sorry, but ZetaTalk is ZetaTalk, in other words, their words, and this does
not get changed. In fact, there are varrying OPINIONS about Moon/Mars, and
I for one find many of the photos and the like compelling, and have heard
Hoagland speak, etc. It's a worthy subject in my, Nancy's opinion. In any
group as large as TT, there will be many differing opinions, of course, and
this TOPIC has many many fans." (from tt-watch, Wed Jul 5, 2000 12:23 pm)
So, with this statement Nancy Lieder seems to say that ZetaTalk is not about accuracy, but is about pleasing the unsubstantiated opinions of its "many many fans".
Also, interesting to note : Nancy stated that she had heard Hoagland speak and implied that his theories have a worthy air of legitimacy. But, the real mystery is why the supposed "emmisary" to a race of super-advanced and infallable alien visitors would need to listen to the phony drivel conjured up by the likes of Richard Hoagland. And, what do opinions have to do with supposed intractable statements of fact made by these aliens?
A profit motive began to emerge when a website was established to sell $20 videos spreading the cataclysmic message found in ZetaTalk. The Planet X Video website claimed "All guests interviewed, did so without financial gain", but what is not clear is how this claim can possibly be true when Sepehr himself was reaping financial gain. The suspicion was that at least some of the money flowed from "Planet X Video" to Nancy Lieder, operator of ZetaTalk. It is also interesting to note that the claimed producer of the Planet X Video, Robert Sepehr had been supposedly "researching" the evidence of Planet X for the same amount of time ZetaTalk had been in existence -- 8 years. Hardly a coincidence, as Sepehr became enamored with Nancy Lieder and ZetaTalk during the spring/summer of 2000. (Domain Info)
ZetaTalk : The Book, $14.95 plus shipping and handling
Another profit motive came directly from Nancy Lieder in the form of a book. Sold on Amazon.com for $14.95 new and $11.95 used. ZetaTalk : Direct Answers From The Zeta Reticuli People. Clearly this book was direct profit flow to Nancy.
Another profit motive came directly from Nancy Lieder in the form of a book. Sold on Amazon.com for $14.95 new and $11.95 used. ZetaTalk : Direct Answers From The Zeta Reticuli People. Clearly this book was direct profit flow to Nancy.
ZetaTalk : The Video, $30 book and video combo (video alone $20) plus $5 shipping and handling in the US or $10 for overseas shipping and handling.
(see full advertisement on www.zetatalk.com for order details)
(see full advertisement on www.zetatalk.com for order details)
ZetaTalk Inaccuracies -- In Depth
Commentary On ZetaTalk, by Antti. Includes Nancy's problems with scopes and Hale-Bopp
IMO's images have upped the ante for Nancy and Company, by RT
Zeta accuracy, yeah right! #1, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #1, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #2, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #3, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #4, by Brian Gillbanks
Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy : Planet X Misconceptions
The Zeta Prophets 1995-1999, by Brian Gillbanks
The Zeta Prophets 1999-2000, by Brian Gillbanks
The Zeta Prophets 2000-2001, by Brian Gillbanks
The Zeta Prophets 2001-2002, by Brian Gillbanks
The Truth Central, "Jesus isn't happy with Nancy of ZetaTalk"
Sarah MacIntyre writes about ZetaTalk Accuracy
Exit Mundi, Planet X : The Facts, The Myths
A history of ZETATALK, website by Brian Gillbanks
Commentary On ZetaTalk, by Antti. Includes Nancy's problems with scopes and Hale-Bopp
IMO's images have upped the ante for Nancy and Company, by RT
Zeta accuracy, yeah right! #1, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #1, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #2, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #3, by Brian Gillbanks
Zeta's 100% accuracy #4, by Brian Gillbanks
Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy : Planet X Misconceptions
The Zeta Prophets 1995-1999, by Brian Gillbanks
The Zeta Prophets 1999-2000, by Brian Gillbanks
The Zeta Prophets 2000-2001, by Brian Gillbanks
The Zeta Prophets 2001-2002, by Brian Gillbanks
The Truth Central, "Jesus isn't happy with Nancy of ZetaTalk"
Sarah MacIntyre writes about ZetaTalk Accuracy
Exit Mundi, Planet X : The Facts, The Myths
A history of ZETATALK, website by Brian Gillbanks
ZetaTalk Wrong Concerning "Chandra Levy Case"
On a live radio program in New York in 2001, ZetaTalk stated that Congressman Gary Condit's missing intern Chandra Levy was actually in Mexico with a case of amnesia. Unfortunately, her body was found in a Washington D.C. park in May 2002.
Zeta's wrong again!
On a live radio program in New York in 2001, ZetaTalk stated that Congressman Gary Condit's missing intern Chandra Levy was actually in Mexico with a case of amnesia. Unfortunately, her body was found in a Washington D.C. park in May 2002.
Zeta's wrong again!
Nancy Bent For Art Bell
A short time prior to announcing on her tt-news yahoo group that she would appear on The Art Bell Show, Nancy Lieder modified her anti-hazlewood page to delete previous comments scolding Bell for allowing Mark Hazlewood to "fleece the populace in this way!". It was interesting to see how ZetaTalk's official statement concerning Art Bell came into play during the late night interview. Both "pre-interview" pages are linked above. Also, see Nancy's later ZetaTalk claiming that Art Bell screens all of his calls in order to serve U.S. intelligence agencies.
A short time prior to announcing on her tt-news yahoo group that she would appear on The Art Bell Show, Nancy Lieder modified her anti-hazlewood page to delete previous comments scolding Bell for allowing Mark Hazlewood to "fleece the populace in this way!". It was interesting to see how ZetaTalk's official statement concerning Art Bell came into play during the late night interview. Both "pre-interview" pages are linked above. Also, see Nancy's later ZetaTalk claiming that Art Bell screens all of his calls in order to serve U.S. intelligence agencies.
Nancy differed with "zetas" on when PX could be seen...
It become obvious from Nancy Lieder's statements made during the June 8, 2002 ZetaTalk IRC session that the "Nancy" view of Planet X differed in a large way from the "Zeta" view. Witness the linked discussion from the sci.astro newsgroup.
It become obvious from Nancy Lieder's statements made during the June 8, 2002 ZetaTalk IRC session that the "Nancy" view of Planet X differed in a large way from the "Zeta" view. Witness the linked discussion from the sci.astro newsgroup.
Nancy began to exhibit signs of progressive mental breakdown...
On July 14, 2002 Nancy Lieder posted 3 messages to the sci.astro astronomy newsgroup titled "Planet X : Run and HIDE!". Coming close on the heels of her July 13 ZetaTalk IRC session in which Nancy called for action against an amateur astronomer and chat participant "IMO", these paranoid newsgroup postings seem to indicate that the cracks in Nancy's sanity had, in fact, grown. This snap in Nancy's sanity could be observed most readily by comparing the more recent attacks on "IMO" linked above, to her past discussions with "IMO" which sympathize with him and praise him in his honest efforts.
On July 14, 2002 Nancy Lieder posted 3 messages to the sci.astro astronomy newsgroup titled "Planet X : Run and HIDE!". Coming close on the heels of her July 13 ZetaTalk IRC session in which Nancy called for action against an amateur astronomer and chat participant "IMO", these paranoid newsgroup postings seem to indicate that the cracks in Nancy's sanity had, in fact, grown. This snap in Nancy's sanity could be observed most readily by comparing the more recent attacks on "IMO" linked above, to her past discussions with "IMO" which sympathize with him and praise him in his honest efforts.
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