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<zombryo> Hi Nancy!
<NancyL> Lo folks!
<Lightspee> Be the Light with You, Nancy!
<NancyL> SteveH posted to sci.astro yesterday, and I followed up with 4 more postings.
<Ath> hi nancy
<islander> hi nancy
<NancyL> What I observed was that even the debunkers are starting to have doubts, about their DEBUNKING, and disagree with each other.
<obany> Yes i know, i saw the postings... some on sci.astro saying that the dust cloud is the orion nebula ... their claims are getting more ridicilous now
<r3d3__> NancyL: where? id like to see those. ive heard about them fighting, i wanna see it
<NancyL> This is assuming that many of them are just folks joking around, etc. not actually looking at the images or considering they might be REAL.
<Icewolf> Welcome back Nancy
<Icewolf> You going to stay with us longer today?
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<NancyL> For instance, one guy said that Naji and Steve has superimposed a nebula on top of the stars.  Get REAL, even NASA would have a had time with that!
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<obany> Icewolf: don't start with that again
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<NancyL> And it was made available almost instantly, the FITS file, and has a date stamp in it, etc.
<Icewolf> Start with what?
<Icewolf> I was asking if she's gonna stay with us longer today.. *sigh*
<obany> attention grabbing
<Tizza> hey nancy
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<NancyL> Then another guy said he had matched stars up and it WAS a nebula called M32 or some such, in Orion.
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<NancyL> But IMO (John Oliver) and others then said it was in TAURUS, and IMO said the stars were appropriate for the coordinates.
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<NancyL> So, wrong about superimposing, wrong about it being an Orion nebula, and I joked about it in my posting saying sad when debunkers fight among themselves, eating their young, etc.
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<NancyL> http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use03073.htm is the linking page.
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<NancyL> In my postings, I covered 1. how their debunking has changed (pixel defects, then asteroid, now nebulas)
<NancyL> 2. how we know it is a moving object as it moves WITH the Zeta coordinates.
<bryan_> What about the clouds in our current orbit?
<bryan_> Those neat blue looking ones.
<NancyL> 3. how we know it is an inbound object (pointed to the Trends page http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy6.htm) on what was visible when.
<NancyL> 4. distance and speed, responding to a question about that, posting the new J data and pointing to that page and quoting ZT
<obany> This has nothing to do with that .. bryan_ this is the cloud of dust that belongs to the Planet X complex
<obany> you just want to drive the attention away from this, by making this kind of claims bryan_
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<obany> but you won't get far
<bryan_> obany: I just read about it this morning.
<NancyL> 5. also pointed out how MANY dates we had imaging, and how the Trends page follows them, increased brightness, etc.
<NancyL> I was also on for 30 minutes with LA this morning, VERY well received, and no kidding around!
<reticuli_> exodus, movement of zetapeople ;)
<obany> good good
<r3d3__> with LA?
<NancyL> Dove right into the pole shift, introduced it! Quoted ZT on what will happen so I didn't have to describe it, was GREAT.
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<NancyL> I'd love to have an audio link for that, if someone got a recording.
<obany> KROQ
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<Queen-awa> Hi Nancy: have you seen this NASA press release yet? They seem to be anticipating questions from the public about the slowing rotation of the earth: http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/2003/0210rotation.html
<r3d3__> oh u went on kroq again this morning? darn. missed it.
<obany> okay there are our friends of Iceland .... to do their thing again
<NancyL> Bryan, I don't understand your Q.  Blue clouds?
<Mike-O> Does someone have an audio link to Nancy's KROQ interview today? Last week, a link to the Lou Gentile interview was up within a day.
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<NancyL> Queen, no, but I'll go look at this!  
<bryan_> NancyL: Its irrelevant anyways.
<zod2> Lou was broadcast on the net, hence the speed. KRQO only on radio
<obany> Mike-O: well someone had to tape it, and convert it... there is no internet broadcast of Kroq
<obany> right zod2
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<bryan_> So, what is everyone doing to prepare?
<NancyL> Yes, and there was no time to get a notice out.  In fact, they changed the hour at the last minute, I was on an hour EARLIER.
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<zod2> I sure hope we get to hear this show
<steve-afk> hello
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<InSoM420> slowing rotation article is interesting
<NancyL> Bryan, plans are all over the map, some waiting for more definite "sign", some already in a good location, like me.
<Mike-O> Thanks, Obany. Someone got the last KROQ interview on the Internet within a few days. Hopefully this will happen again.
<NancyL> I made changes in my life in 1999, drastic and painful.
<bryan_> I'm not so much worried.
<kz|zz> bryan_, nothing.
<bryan_> If it were to happen, chances are survival are pretty grim.
<r3d3__> that nasa article (http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/2003/0210rotation.html) is merely an informational piece about a nturally occuring phenomenon over the lifespan of our planet
<NancyL> They asked me to pin down the date, or brought this up, and I stated what I've been stating now, that May 15 is early, but it will NOT be later than June 1.
<SteveH> Were you on the radio this morning Nancy?
<InSoM420> lol bryan.. in here again I see :P
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<bryan_> InSoM420: Yep, I'm just a trouble maker ;)
<tied`away> Nancy will the Z's comment on the ice clouds lately?
<NancyL> R3, they NASA are going to point to this as a periodic thing, like the weather, melting poles, whatever.
<reticuli_> Is there anyone in here who can help me interpret what I am seeing in this image?  http://home.earthlink.net/~samsara2003/px-outline.jpg
<InSoM420> KROQ people a little more zetatalk educated this time? last time they didn't know very much at all
<NancyL> Well, I have been watching the TV re UN speeches and Blix report, etc.
<kz|zz> may15 is my birthday :|
<Icewolf> March 8 is my birthday
<Mike-O> Tied: Last week the Zetas commented on newly found cloud formations in the upper atmosphere.
<NancyL> Tied, I don't understand the Q on the blue clouds, what is the Q?
<bryan_> You're looking at a starmap someoned paintshop'd.
<InSoM420> may 6th.. getting my liscense :P
<bryan_> hehe .. I've had my license for a while now ;)
<NancyL> Reticuli, can you verbally describe?
<InSoM420> yeah. we know icewolf :D has that 8march2003.com site posted anything more ficticious? hehe
<NancyL> Reti, what is IN the jpg?
<Icewolf> InSoM420: hehe not yet ;)
<bryan_> 8march2003.
<bryan_> heh.
<InSoM420> reticuli.. that pic looks a little like the pictures taken by the rogue team
<bryan_> Cause everyone has the machinery to develope color film in their basement ;)
<bryan_> What is the rogue team?
<InSoM420> just with the outline to them already put down
<reticuli_> NancyL: oh, its a photo of px, it shows a cloud and stars, I have heard that px is surronded by clouds, but I cannot see px in the cloud. If it were there would it not block out the stars?
<NancyL> So it is patently obvious that the US is going to invade Iraq, install military Bushies to run it (they plan to divide it into 3 sections), and nothing can change the intent.
<tied`away> Nancy .... Mike-O says they covered it ..... but apparently there is a increase of  large Ice clouds forming in the atmosphere
<bryan_> mesosphere
<bryan_> but yes, thats what I was refering to earlier.
<InSoM420> bryan.. the rogue team is the team that takes the pictures of PX on ZT
<obany> Yes yes, the change of the atmosphere ... and well zetatalk has info about that in new zetatalk
<Ath> my friend says the latest px pic like orion nebula!
<NancyL> They (US) has also stated they will withdraw their resolution if it will be vetoes, and France has stated they would, in essence, veto it.
<bryan_> We curruently "do not know why".
<bryan_> I want Zeta talk to answer some real questions.
<NancyL> So, mayhap the US will with draw the resolution, suddenly try to invade Iraq, and thinks the world will go behind them once the fighting has started.
<bryan_> Like why we call bush joiner "dubya".
<obany> bryan_: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p178.htm
<NancyL> So now (comon Council of Worlds!) I'm looking for the "will not succeed as planned" thing, the Zetas mentioned earlier.
<bryan_> Gotcha.
<NancyL> Insom, maybe that JPG was lifted from the rogue team pages.
<InSoM420> yeah, I remember them saying that their plans might be foiled.. but they still seem ever so close to invading
<reticuli_>  NancyL: oh, its a photo of px, it shows a cloud and stars, I have heard that px is surronded by clouds, but I cannot see px in the cloud. If it were there would it not block out the stars? I mean how small is px suppossed to be relative to the cloud, and have the zetas commented on this cloud image
<bryan_> I have no issues with the invasion.
<InSoM420> That's what I figured.. but it doesn't look the same as any others
<bryan_> Hmm..
<NancyL> The FITS files are highly packed with data, actual photos (digitized film from the CCD cameras).
<bryan_> How is the race of giant humanoids living on a brown dwarf star?
<NancyL> The TEAM mades GIF and JPE or whatever from this, markes it up with arrrows and circles and whatever.
<InSoM420> lol uh oh... here goes bryan talking about his knowledge of what brown dwarfs are
<obany> bryan_ cause it's not exaclty a brown dwarf star, i mentioned the same thing to you yesterday
<bryan_> obany: I was doing payroll progression yesterday, so my mind was only half cocked. ;)
<bryan_> Give me the 10 words of less version.
<obany> there is no clear defenition of Planet X in our science
<bryan_> InSoM420: Anyone with an 8th grade text book knows what a brown dwarf is, ehe.
<bryan_> obany: Why?
<SteveH> InSoM420, px should be around twice the distance to pluto right now so it should be about twice as big as it was the other month
<NancyL> Reticuli, the Zetas explained about a month ago that the PX body itself has a close hugging dust cloud that disburses the light, so the MOONs trailing behind actually show up as distinct objects more than PX.
<obany> well what did i say, there is no clear defenition
<InSoM420> SteveH the pictures agree with what you're saying too
<reticuli_> nancy: thx
<obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s22.htm for you bryan_
<bryan_> obany: but wouldn't theoretically, if say, the dustcloud has a whole bunch of hydrogen in it, wouldn't it effectivly reduce px's atmosphere to water vapor?
<NancyL> This is the way I described the inbound appearance on one of the sci.astro postings done this morning:
<NancyL>     CLEARLY INBOUND AS IT HAS MOVED FROM A DOT
<NancyL>         TO A TAIL HAZE
<NancyL>         TO MOONS IN THE TAIL DISCERNABLE
<NancyL>         TO A TAIL BLOTCH
<NancyL>         TO A DUST CLOUD EVIDENT
<NancyL>         TO A DUST CLOUD STRIKINGLY BRIGHT.
<NancyL> As explained on the Trends page, done up in early February, 2003
<NancyL> The entire complex (Planet X corpus, moon swirls, dust cloud) appeared
<NancyL> as a DOT on Sep 21, 2002, which DOT was being called pixel defects.
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<Queen-awa> oops
<bryan_> bahaha
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<Lightspee> WHAAT?
<reticuli_> wb :)
<NancyL> Sorry, I flooded and this is not allowed :-)
<tied`away> «§» Welcome Back! NancyL «§»
<NancyL> The entire complex (Planet X corpus, moon swirls, dust cloud) appeared as a DOT on Sep 21, 2002, which DOT was being called pixel defects.
<InSoM420> is the sci.astro post on ZT as of now?
<NancyL> The complex then increased in brightness and size until a TAIL HAZE was evident on Nov 15, 2002, then increasing in brightness and size until Dec 4, 2002, when MOON SWIRLS began to be discernatble,
<bryan_> moon swirls?
<SteveH> now the images are full of many larger objects around the coordinates, no longer can be confused with pixel defects
<NancyL> Insom, take the links from the linking page http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use03073.htm
<obany> I agree SteveH
<Icewolf> Who takes those pictures
<bryan_> I'm very confused.
<NancyL> (continuing) then increasing in size and density until Dec 28, 2002 when DISTINCT MOONS became discernable, increasing from 2 to a count of 29 by the end of January,
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<SteveH> naji and myself have taken many of the images
<SteveH> and jwilliam
<reticuli_> is there a link for a site that shows the progression of px in a format that a luddite like I could follow?
<NancyL> The DISTINCT MOONS were being called asteroids until the moon count climbed up into the dozens.
<Icewolf> And how do you guys know how much you zoomed in
<mikeaus> did it Tizza *G*
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<Tizza> yay!!
<Icewolf> What zoom did you use, SteveH
<NancyL> And now, we have the DUST CLOUD, so bright and large it is being claimed as a nebula by the debunking team.
<Icewolf> And what camera
<mikeaus> lol
<Icewolf> I'm pretty sure some of the guys who took pics of it zoomed a bit more in than the other pics
<bryan_> Where can I find the debunking team?
<SteveH> it's a CCD image Icewolf, I did not adjust the magnification on any image
<NancyL> Bryan, you need to go to the TEAM page and read all the links, get educated. http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
<Icewolf> SteveH: All of you used the same camera?
<obany> well you find find them over here ... bryan_
<zod2> Icewolfb may be trying to deflect proper questions/discussions
<Icewolf> Eh?
<NancyL> Retic, try the Trends page http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy6.htm
<SteveH> all the images are from the same telescope
<Icewolf> zod2: Where do you get this hate from
<bryan_> Well.
<zod2> I only have love in my heart
<Icewolf> SteveH: Same location too?
<Queen-awa> Icewolf: information about how the images were obtained is available on the zetatalk site
<SteveH> yes, same location
<Icewolf> Queen-awa: Was I asking for that?
<bryan_> What I was curious about is how Px could have more mass density, and creatures could still survive on it?
<NancyL> Icewolf, you are WRONG, and this info is all int he TEAM pages so go read.
<Icewolf> SteveH wants to discuss it with me, so may I talk to him alone?
<bryan_> Rather. More mass density then the sun.
<Icewolf> NancyL: You said you wouldnt answer my questions, so why answer me now.
<Queen-awa> Icewolf: sure, private message him
<Icewolf> Use /ignore icewolf
<Icewolf> Thank you.
<bryan_> Icewolf: She technically, didn't.
<SteveH> the sci.astro crowd is trying to suggest the Mar06 image was a cut and paste job of the orion nebula
<obany> NO NO ... use a query .. or a /msg
<zod2> See what I mean about Icewolf...same as yesterday. Nuff said
<Icewolf> obany; According to Queen-awa message I will.
<NancyL> Bryan, the computed gravity pull on the surface of Px is only 1.6 times that of Earth.
<Icewolf> zod2: And stop your hate
<NancyL> This is HUMAN math, it fits, even thou 23 times the mass, this is the surface pull.
<bryan_> NancyL: heh.
<bryan_> NancyL: Right.
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<Icewolf> Obany: Do you need to KICK Me for that? I just said: [22:45] <Icewolf> obany; According to Queen-awa message I will.
<bryan_> Icewolf: Yes, you disagree.
<Icewolf> And I've started PM discussion with him ALREADY.
<obany> well okay then
<Icewolf> I disagreed PM? When?
<InSoM420> sighs.. *waste of time*
<Icewolf> bryan_: Copy-paste the "disagree"
<NancyL> StevH, yes, it is so FUNNY, and they are arguing with themselves!  I called it "eating their young" as IMO corrected someone who said it was a nebula in Orion.
<bryan_> Icewolf: I was being sarcastic.
<NancyL> He said "no the stars match the coordinates", HILARIOUS.
<SteveH> that was a pretty funny post Nancy, I laughed when I read that!
<Icewolf> SteveH: THere's pm waiting for you, if you want to answer it
<NancyL> I really sensed a creeping doubt, confusion, in the voices now, on sci.astro.
<SteveH> some are still trying to say it M42, should be interesting to see how far they run with that
<Lightspee> Nancy, Have you any signs of the times for theese two?
<NancyL> IMO was trying NOT to say anything he might get caught with later.
<reticuli_> steve, were the photos taking in the area of teh sky where m42 is?
<obany> there is even a email from Cunningham to tt-watch about iit
<reticuli_> taken
<SteveH> yes, I sensed that too Nancy, the mood has changed there
<Queen-awa> NancyL: yes, there are being extremely careful in what they say....
<NancyL> One poster YO, who is an insulting adolescent, frankly, asked another to get an image as he wondered what the neew objects in the image were!
<NancyL> JWilliam, you remember Yo, the stand in debater?  For the UK, etc.
<SteveH> they seem quite bewildered with that image
<tied`away> NancyL so if we are in the northern hemisphere then we should be able to see Px to the south in early April? and will it be low in the horizon if you are in the USA ?
<zod2> I can imagine the shock and horror on their faces when they finally accept this thing is for REAL :Makes me laugh now
<NancyL> And another stated for the 1st time that the TEAM was bastardizing, doctoring, the images.  No proof, just off the cuff statement.
<bryan_> zod_notTh: Why do you need so badly for me to believe ??
<reticuli_> steve, i assume that the picture wasnt taken in the area of orion's sword?
<kz|zz> <zod2> I can imagine the shock and horror on their faces when they finally accept this thing is for REAL :Makes me laugh now
<zod2> I haved no need for ANYONE to belivee.
<NancyL> Now, the images went up SO fast, within 24 hours, and even NASA takes week to air brush and change their images, do they think the TEAM is GOD?
<kz|zz> haha and how i will laugh when you finally accept this thing is bullshit
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<reticuli_> lol, thats a funny image kz|zz
<bryan_> zod_notTh: Yes you do, otherwise you wouldn't have given it thought.
<zod2> I will just smile to myself at those who are denieing ,,,without proof
<SteveH> yes, in that area reticuli_, above and right of the sword
<NancyL> And I would have responded to that, asking how did he KNOW they weren't doctored before, and what criteria was he using NOW, etc.
<NancyL> But I figured he had discredited himself already.
<kz|zz> <bryan_> yo
<kz|zz> <kz|zz> hello.
<kz|zz> err
<kz|zz> woops
<kz|zz>  wtf
<Queen-awa> NancyL:  lol, yes, you'd think that Nancy has an entire staff of experts working for her....
<kz|zz> wtwtfff
<NancyL> Lightspeed, I have a couple for tomorrow, when I collect the log, etc.
<bryan_> Queen-awa: no.
<tied2> SteveH can I pvt you?
<SteveH> also quite hard to doctor considering we are all using freeware hehe
<SteveH> I would rather chat on here tied2
<bryan_> Queen-awa: It is however VERY easy to explain things with "Human math doesn't lend itself", or "Its beyond our comprehension".
<NancyL> Tied, I have on my todo list to pull up SkyMap and work up a grid of cities, times, dates, when Orion will be visible in April.
<bryan_> no.
<bryan_> I'd actually like to know when Px will make its introduction?
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<tied2> Thanks Nancy
<NancyL> I think for ALL hemispheres, it will show up to the EAST, in the last evening at first, right?
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<InSoM420> bryan.. you can look at it that way... but it also makes since vice versa. If Zetas are what they are, then of course they would be more advanced than us
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<NancyL> SteveH true that you point the scope East, SouthEast?
<bryan_> I was told yesterday that hburg's principle is wrong, so the zeta should be able to tell me exactly when it arrives ;)
<SteveH> It's more SW
<bryan_> InSoM420: Yes, and beings that advanced and compasionate would be doing more then comunicating with us with some middle aged white lady.
<SteveH> it starts further east and move west over the night
<kz|zz> if the zetas are so good, and so advanced, why the hell cant they change px's coursE?
<NancyL> AH!  So what time are you and Naji doing images, pointing SW these days, er, nights, Steve?
<bryan_> kz|zz: Because.
<kz|zz> because...?
<bryan_> kz|zz: Our human minds cannot comprehend why.
<bryan_> kz|zz: Now don't ask anymore questions like that, lest ye be banned.
<kz|zz> mine can
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<InSoM420> lol Bryan, they are doing more! they are genetically ensuring our future as a race... they are going to be around in the aftertime giving out help
<InSoM420> also
<bryan_> Wtf are you talking about
<SteveH> it's a natural phenomena so they do not interfere
<bryan_> ?
<InSoM420> lol..
<bryan_> genetically ensuring?
<InSoM420> I forgot
<Tizza> nancy : here in Oz orion sets currently at around 11.30pm and getting earlier
<InSoM420> you haven't looked at ZT
<loco2> bryan/kz/zz:can you tell us what comprises the other 95% of the universe, beyond 5%baryonic matter?
<bryan_> If we WERE crossbred, we wouldn't be a race anymore.
<NancyL> Bryan, though those Zeta statements have proved to be TRUE, beyond YOUR comprehension apparently.
<InSoM420> or read anything...
<tied2> SteveH I'm still confused .....so it's south to southwest?
<SteveH> around there, yes
<InSoM420> bryan, if you want to know more about it.. go to the hybrid section at the ZT site
<NancyL> Kz, because they are not allowed.  This is a natural occurrence.  Let me ask YOU why the Hell the White House and NASA can't tell us about it, as they clearly are watching it and know?
<obany> I have nothing against the hybrid reace, nothing what so ever
<SteveH> depending on the time of night of course
<bryan_> loco2: pleas edon't try to attack me with extotic explinations.
<NancyL> Or don't you hold your fellow humans accountable?
<bryan_> NancyL: Well of course.
<Icewolf> NancyL :Actully they are NOT watching it.
<kz|zz> NancyL, how do you know they are watching it?
<loco2> English translation, please?
<bryan_> NancyL: Well beyond my comprehension.  Only smart people line up like sheep.
<Icewolf> Cause it doesnt exist
<Icewolf> NancyL: Why answer questions about whitehouse you don't know answers too?
<bryan_> NancyL: How do you know that they know?
<NancyL> Tizza, when you say "sets", do you mean goes down in the west, or??
<Icewolf> First email whitehouse.gov before answering questions for them
<bryan_> ice, kzz|, chill a second.  lets go at it one at a time, teaming up is no fair.
<Icewolf> Well it's hard to chill when she answers questions about Whitehouse
<Mike-O> Let me guess, Icewolf and Bryan and Kzzz are the hired debunkers of the day, carrying on their little conversation with each other.
<Icewolf> Which are not true.
<Icewolf> Mike-O: And same to you,
<bryan_> Mike-O: Employeed -- But more here to discuss.
<reticuli_> bryan. r u a hired debunker?
<Icewolf> You think I idle here all day, night to annoy? No
<bryan_> People actually hire debunkers?
<kz|zz> wtf  is a debunker
<obany> nah they are just close friends .... joining in from and island called iceland
<PGill> heres an idea, before coming to a ZT chat, readd zetatalk.com.....that will answer ALL of your questions.......
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<reticuli_> are you an american bryan?
<NancyL> OK, so the location/date/time grid should show when it SETS, which will be in the SW, an hour or so ahead of this, as this is when 1. most folks will still be awake.
<Icewolf> It wont answer the question Nancy answered about Whitehouse watching it
<bryan_> Answer all my questions? That site is the reason I'm here.
<bryan_> Yes.
<bryan_> I'm american.
<reticuli_> and you live on iceland?
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<bryan_> No.
<NancyL> 2. as they will not stay up in the middle of the night just to glance at the skies.
<reticuli_> oh
<bryan_> And I never said I did.
<tied2> «§» Hello reticuli_ «§»
<reticuli_> no, obany did
<reticuli_> hi tied
<obany> well my mistake then
<Lightspee> Bryan, Ice: please read and think before asking questions.
<bryan_> Yes, it was.
<obany> but then well it seesm they kow eachother
<bryan_> Lightspee: I am reading and thinking, thats why I'm asking questions, wtf?  Don't be such a sheep.
<QueenV> The best thing everyone can do is to put Icewolf, Bryan, and kz/zz in IGNORE. By engaging with them, you are helping them to achieve their goal -- to disrupt this session and reduce the amount of valuable information that can be gleaned from it.
<QueenV> The best thing everyone can do is to put Icewolf, Bryan, and kz/zz in IGNORE. By engaging with them, you are helping them to achieve their goal -- to disrupt this session and reduce the amount of valuable information that can be gleaned from it.
<bryan_> QueenV: OI'
<reticuli_> i cant read that
<InSoM420> wow.. can't read that very well
<Icewolf> QueenV: Please disable the colour & repeating
<QueenV> The best thing everyone can do is to put Icewolf, Bryan, and kz/zz in IGNORE. By engaging with them, you are helping them to achieve their goal -- to disrupt this session and reduce the amount of valuable information that can be gleaned from it.
<obany> /ignore <nickname>
<bryan_> QueenV: I'm not trying to DISRUPT as I haven't been using nasty language, or personal attacks.
<Icewolf> It's mor annoying
<Icewolf> /ignore queenv
<bryan_> QueenV: When in retrospect, those attacks have been used on me.
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<NancyL> Queen your color is so dark I must copy to a test editor, BRB
<InSoM420> no need
<r3d3__> how havw kzz bryan and ice been disrupting? theyre just asking questions?\
<InSoM420> this is what she said
<InSoM420> The best thing everyone can do is to put Icewolf, Bryan, and kz/zz in IGNORE. By engaging with them, you are helping them to achieve their goal -- to disrupt this session and reduce the amount of valuable information that can be gleaned from it.
<NancyL> Oh, never mind, I read it, she is saying to ignore IceWolf, etc best approach to interrupting debunkers, etc.
<NancyL> Or just the silly and inane!
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<zod2> Cool, I have blocked out Icewolf words
<Icewolf> Calling peopel silly.. She said Whitehouse is watching it
<NancyL> They may be just immature, have time on their hands, etc.
<obany> there is a command for that /ignore <nickname> works pretty good
<Mike-O> I just blocked out these adolescents. It works great.
<QueenV> Nancy: did you have a chance to look at that NASA press release yet, about slowing rotation?
<NancyL> On that grid I plan on putting up for the many folks who ask "where do I look in the sky and what time will I see it from Maiami" or some such, I plan on
<NancyL> 1. telling them they should go to the libary and find out what Orion looks like.
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<Icewolf> Hello there GoFa :)
<Icewolf> How's Canada
<NancyL> 2. point them to the horizon, an hour before the PX coordinates set, for their location (few major cities around the world)
<obany> there are enough books about it, i know how it looks like and Orion is easy to recognize too in the sky
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<reticuli_> Well regardless of what happens in May, Nancy, I respect you for having the guts to share your communications with the rest of us. I find that admirable
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<zod2> Obany, send me a scan when you get time
<NancyL> 3. point to the Path page where the general location going into May 15, 2003 can be found http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03h.htm
<InSoM420> I don't think it will be that distant by that time bryan
<GoFa> icewolf good
<Mike-O> It looks like NASA is trying to blame a slowing rotation on El Nino.
<tied2> you can d/l a demo version of Skymap...... to get familiar with what orion looks like
<NancyL> I figure that anyone can ask their local astronomy club where Orion is and get a helping hand.
<GoFa> ice- montreal
<obany> I agree Nancy ....
<tied2> Mike-O I had to laugh when I read that
<GoFa> not bad
<r3d3__> NancyL: can u point me to the url where u recall ur first original interactions with the zetas? i had read it and it inspired me but ive lost it
<NancyL> Mike-O, yes at one time the excuse was too many manmade lakes!  Really silly!  The water "dragged" the Earth or some such.
<QueenV> Mike-O: i can hear it now: the earth is only slowing down because of the STRONG WIND....
<NancyL> The common man may buy that, but educated people get that sinking feeling in the guy, I expect.
<Lightspee> Hheehehehehe
<reticuli_> lol
<loco2> It's that damned El Nino...somebody take that kid in hand!
<QueenV> well, few will actually fully read the article, let alone understand it -- they will just point to it and say, well, NASA says there's nothing to worry about....
<NancyL> For those wondering about Slowing Rotation, go check out the What New page re recent additions http://www.zetatalk.com/thub08.htm
<SteveH> I have a friend whose dad believes all the worlds dams cause the slowdown
<obany> SteveH: sigh
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<SteveH> :/
<QueenV> i KNEW those damns couldn't possibly be good!
<Mike-O> Even when rotation is stopped, NASA and Bush will say, "There's nothing to worry about! And if you don't like it, we'll invade France!"
<GoFa> will we be able to see px soon
<NancyL> SteveH having the new ZT2 site for rapid upload of new images really works well!
<SteveH> definitely!
<NancyL> NO more dragging those files up and down and the delay, etc.
<SteveH> naji is a wizard, he gets the job done
<zombryo> Mike-O: ...and please pay your taxes! :-)
<Lightspee> :)
<reticuli_> bryan, this is suppossed to be the country where we are free to disent
<NancyL> Mike-O, I watched the UN speeches today, and France was excellent!
<QueenV> NancyL: yes, i thought the sentiments expressed were very STO
<obany> SteveH: i agree, he is good with it
<NancyL> Brought up the number of deaths, Russia did too, how terrorism would increase, not decrease, how the OTHER trouble spots in the world needed attention and would not go away.
<QueenV> in terms of recognizing the needs of the whole over the few
<reticuli_> powell was bumbling
<QueenV> I was impressed with China's speech as well
<reticuli_> lol, or biological weapons (mycoplasmas) from texas
<NancyL> How war as invasion, blunt force, would NOT increase democracy, would increase resentment, etc.
<zod2> I recond Powel and Jack Straw swicthed their headphones OFF :(
<SteveH> bush was bumbling yesterday as well, kept saying hmmmm... hmmmm
<NancyL> Superb speech by the French
<reticuli_> did you hear about how he admitted that the whole press conference was scripted
<reticuli_> bush did
<NancyL> SteveH, the entire TEAM are wizards, the world is blessed to have you all!
<SteveH> Bush was so scipted he was asking people for their question before they even motioned they had a question
<QueenV> hear hear
<loco2> Bush sure seemed low key...almost bored, or something.
<SteveH> scipted = scripted
<Lightspee> USA wants to lead a blitzkrieg. Germany had sucked that a half century ago...
<NancyL> Reti, you listened to Powell?  I did with half an ear, and he was just going into OLD data, they USED to do this, they USED to do that.
<NancyL> They are invading Iraq because of past deeds?  This was the impression!
<QueenV> NancyL: yes, same with Jack Straw's speech
<reticuli_> Ilistened to the whole thing
<reticuli_> I listened
<reticuli_> it was so unconvincing
<obany> if you want to ask a question to Nancy then please do it here .. else don't please
<NancyL> I thought Powell looked depressed, and Bush very worried during the press thing last evening.
<InSoM420> yeah he was
<zod2> Could be be dueto the ZT warnings ???
<InSoM420> something was on his mind
<QueenV> the whole basis of the US/UK argument seemed to be that Iraq is disarming GRUDGINGLY, instead of doing it with a SMILE....
<SteveH> Senator Roberty Byrd is on larry king live tongiht. He's a very STO individual and should do some good Bush bashing
<NancyL> Today during the regular press thing with the WH spokesperson, a journalist pointed out angryly that Bush selected only ultra-righter press corp to answer.
<QueenV> excellent
<zod2> heheh
<loco2> Byrd made the best speech in Congress, re the current admin., and not at all complementary.
<NancyL> IN other words, Bush does not want, read CANNOT stand to have presented to him, Q's he can't answer.
<obany> Icewolf: well if they are so worried about how many would die in the war, then why push for war
<NancyL> So, in this, we see that he is shaky too.
<reticuli_> thank god for Byrd, at least the world cant say that all americans have lost their minds
<QueenV> they could care less how many die in a war
<QueenV> as long as nobody burns those oilfields!
<reticuli_> bush is a draft dodger
<SteveH> the guy can barely speak english so answering any questions must be very difficult
<QueenV> hehe
<Mike-O> As we know, Bush & Company are setting themselves up for a big spanking if they proceed into Iraq. They still haven't learned their lessons from the World Trade Center and Space Shuttle spankings.
<NancyL> There was something going to be on CNN but I missed it re Blair having health problems because of all this.
<tied2> If Iraq has all these weapons then why haven't he UN inspectors found them?
<reticuli_> queen, there is evidence that the US burnt the oilfields in kuwait in the first war
<zod2> Reakly  (blair)
<NancyL> Well, apparently it is no SMALL thing if the UN does not pass his resolution.
<zod2> really
<QueenV> Blair backed the wrong horse and knows it
<NancyL> But both Bush and Blair, by law, can proceed.
<reticuli_> blair is a puppett
<NancyL> And I think they will, but MAYBE Blair will pull out!
<zod2> Do you know if tey have heeded the ZT warnings ?
<NancyL> He is already qualifying when he can be there, with ground support, saying Mar 17 earliest and all.
<NancyL> I was thinking that, that he might pull out.
<QueenV> i have difficulty figuring out Blair's MOTIVATION in all this....
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<NancyL> Loc, Byrd was also on Lary King, and I missed it all.
<reticuli_> queen, what motivates blair is BP ;)
<zod2> Balur is probaly uncomfortable with BUSHes wider plan  (the entire region)
<SteveH> the US has said they don't want the british troops going into baghdad
<obany> Saying that it will be a USA only war ...
<zod2> I wonder why ??? (Brtitis=Bagdad)
<kz|zz> "Has anyone from zetatalk tried to offer counterpoints to arguments stated at this URL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/Planet-X.htm
<NancyL> Queen, unless they can succed in invading the oil fields, I don't think they will invade!  This is the problem, why then hang around TUrkey.
<QueenV> i think after 9/11 he wanted to make a name for himself, go down in history as one of the GREAT british PMs....
<NancyL> It has also crossed my mind that they will invade Turkey too!  Might makes right!
<SteveH> Nancy, Byrd is only larry King tonight
<QueenV> i agree nancy
<SteveH> only = on
<QueenV> well, now that turkey has defied them
<QueenV> there's lots of room in that axis of evil!
<reticuli_> lol
<NancyL> Zod, Bush is not heeding anyone or anything, his string have been pulled to proceed, and he'll do that.
<kz|zz> Has anyone from zetatalk tried to offer counterpoints to arguments stated at this URL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/Planet-X.htm
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<NancyL> Queen, apparently he is aware of the coming shift, and has been promised a safe place with the ultr-righters, NOT the UK islands.
<QueenV> yes, that makes sense
<NancyL> SteveH, they also say they don't want local "opposition" to Saddam to form a new govmt.  US occupation all the way!
<zod2> Each time Blair meets BUSH at Camp David, I imagine they are viewing pictures of Planext X :)
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<NancyL> Kz, re those other sites, they aren't worth the trouble.
<QueenV> yeah, they want to bring democracy to the people of iraq -- but the people of the iraq can't be trusted to choose for themselves....
<kz|zz> LOL
<NancyL> Queen :-) well said!
<obany> Icewolf: you know that... then don't start about it .... if you are here only to spit and shout how wrong it all is .. then better go somewhere else to do that
<reticuli_> "you will be liberated, or we will kill you"
<tied2> lol reticuli
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<NancyL> SteveH, I noted that I could not find Sarah Mc's posting, her usual snarling, on sci.astro!
<QueenV> democracy at the barrel of a gun
<SteveH> no, she's hasn't said a peep so far
<obany> they seems to be kinda quiet recently
<NancyL> Did she die?  Move away? Get arthritis of the fingers? Chicken out? Realize what she was arguming against was TRUE?
<NancyL> I have no clue.
<QueenV> she hasn't got her instructions yet
<NancyL> I think the approach may be to say as little as possible so the public does not notice our postings.
<QueenV> nah, that would be downright clever of them....
<NancyL> It dawned on them LATE that all the opposition had folks noticing!  It was so obvious, if a crazy person, etc. just ignore.
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<zod2> Considering the entire globe will be a wreck, I can't understand the logi of these people....
<NancyL> I mean, from mid-summer to Christmas, 1/2 the sci.astro postings were anti-ZT!
<SteveH> it was a frenzy
<NancyL> zod, I think most of the puppets having their instructions do NOT realize ZT is speaking the truth.
<NancyL> When they find out, then they don't function so well.
<SteveH> hehe
<zod2> I will ne a SHOCK to their system...
<zod2> ne=be
<NancyL> Well folks, I've been on for over an hour, and want to get some work done yet today, more work, I should say.
<zod2> it will be :)
<NancyL> See you all tomorrow then, 22:00 UTC ususal 1 hour #zetatalk time!
<SteveH> bye Nancy!
<obany> Icewolf: since it started icewolf .... you know since it started
<Lightspee> By Nancy, be the Light with You!
<NancyL> BYE!
<zombryo> bye Nancy!
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