Session Start: Sat Dec 01 15:45:03 2001
(NancyL) Hi folks. Kiko, who is
unable to make the regular chats, asked a follow-on question re Mountain
Building, and the Zetas responded via e-mail. I'm going to post this to the log,
for everyone's info. Sorry for the flooding.
(Jurian) Hey there nancy
:-)
(Jos) Hi Nancy
(NancyL) Oh, Kiko's question related to WHY the Alps
will experience LESS this time around, and how safe this or that range might be,
accordingly.
(NancyL) Mountain building during this coming shift will be in
proportion to the compression any given range comes under.
(NancyL) Those
areas in the world where mountain building HAS occurred in the past are obvious,
as sheer rock is broken into cliffs or jutts skyward like a missile or monstrous
rocks are in a jumble.
(NancyL) The rock is fresh, not weathered and broken
down, and often covered with trees or vegetation, soil having formed from the
dust that lodges there.
(NancyL) Often these are called new mountain ranges
or old ranges, to differentiate.
(NancyL) Why would a new range BECOME an
old range, and how might this information help those seeking safe places during
the coming shift?
(NancyL) At one point in the Earth's history, the land mass
was all in one clump, the Earth having been injured with a gaping wound where
the Pacific is now, so that it became lopsided.
(NancyL) Water pooled in the
low places, leaving the land all on one side.
(NancyL) Repeated pole shifts
jerked this land mass to and fro until weak spots tore and the continental
drift, or rip as we prefer to call it, began.
(NancyL) Very old land shows
less marks of mountain building and more hardened mud flats, but in the interim,
when the plates were separating, lava hardening in between, and then thrust
against each other during forthcoming pole shifts, mountain building BEGAN.
(NancyL) - The Hymalayas are a good example of a spot on the Earth where
mountain building invariably occurs. These mountains are backed up against a
solid old land mass, with broken and smaller plates subducting UNDER them at
each shift.
(NancyL) Thus, these are both old and new mountain, never
escaping fresh discombobulation.
(NancyL) - The mountains lining the west
coast of both North and South America are likewise never at peace, as they form
the cutting edge of land being pushed INTO the Pacific where the plates in the
Pacific are being pushed UNDER this edge.
(NancyL) Each time the Pacific
shortens, these ranges go through rock and roll, with new mountain building
occurring.
(NancyL) - The mountains on the east coast of both the North and
South Americas are old mountains, with notably NO volcanoes active and no stress
toward mountain building because the land to the east is being stretched, not
compressed.
(NancyL) These old mountains were built when the plates first
separated and were bumping against each other during those early periods.
(NancyL) These times are past, for these lands masses, now
(NancyL) -
This is likewise the case within Africa, where the mountains are covered with
trees unless to high to sustain vegetation and the only sign of stress volcanoes
caused by weak places make thin by the STRETCH of the land.
(NancyL) African
volcanoes, recently active, can be expected to erupt, but very ancient volcanoes
will not as the stress is LESS on this land mass now.
(NancyL) - The high
deserts in Mongolia and the Urals in Russia are likewise not under stress, being
too far inland to suffer subduction of plates, and not being stretched.
(NancyL) But where the land masses of Russia and Area front the Pacific Rim,
volcanoes will erupt with great force.
(NancyL) This will devastate land
from the Russian peninsula in the north through Japan to Indonsia in the south.
(NancyL) Mountain building in these areas will not be noticed, as death will
come from volcanic hot ash and gas.
(NancyL) - The Mediterranean area is a
weak spot in the plates, where movement has invariably occurred. During the
times when the plates were separating, the Alps were built, due to bumping
between the plates on the move.
(NancyL) As Africa is a very solid land
mass, Europe invariably was the loser during this bumping, creating the Alps.
However, during this coming shift, the strong stretch of the Atlantic will pull
Africa AWAY from Europe, not a push toward.
(NancyL) The volcanoes in the
Mediterranean will explode due to churning of the core, and an increased thining
in the crust. All mountains surrounding the area will not experience strong
mountain building, as a consequence.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) I'll post
tonights Agenda now ...
(NancyL) FOLKLORE
(NancyL) 1. Does the Book of
Revelation to St.John in the New Testament, in particular chapter 8, describe
the coming PS? What is the Star Wormwood in that book? PX?
(NancyL) 2. What
are the infamous "three days of darkness" in so many visions, prophecies,
channelings etc.? Why exactly three days and not two or four or five
days?
(NancyL) STAR WARS
(NancyL) 1. Would it not be a great service to
mankind to shoot the giant comet out of the sky with Star Wars? Would it not be
STO?
(NancyL) SIGHTING PX
(NancyL) 1. how much would P-X's tail and
orbiting debris affect its apparent size when viewing or imaging.
(NancyL)
AFTERTIME
(NancyL) 1 Will gaining body mass before the PS in conjuntion with
increasing physical fitness to enhance chances and longevity of
survival?
(NancyL) 2 How well should algea crops like spirulina be expected
to grow after the shift either in manmade ponds or wild in lakes
etc.?
(NancyL) 3 Will the group formerly know as MJ12 continue to function in
anyway or maintain contact with ET groups after the shift?
(NancyL) HEARLDING
Core of Earth
(NancyL) 1. What is the scientific explanation on that the 12th
planet affects to the core of the Earth from the distance?
(NancyL) 2. Is
there any relation with this to the phenomenon which is described under 'Spin'
at the science section
(NancyL) of ZetaTalk?
(NancyL) End of Agenda.
Probably won't get to it all ...
(NancyL) I got an e-mail. Oh, seeing your
message Jurian.
(NancyL) We'll start in 2 minutes.
(NancyL) I posted the
Agenda but will be reposting as we go along.
(NancyL) I was just reading the
Bible, Revelations, Chp 8 on, and it sure sounds like a pole shift/passage
warning.
(NancyL) I think we can start. My PC clock is a bit off, but I think
it's the hour.
(Jurian) yeah, almost :)
(NancyL) FOLKLORE
(NancyL) 1.
Does the Book of Revelation to St.John in the New Testament, in particular
chapter 8, describe the coming PS? What is the Star Wormwood in that book? PX?
(NancyL) 2. What are the infamous "three days of darkness" in so many
visions, prophecies, channelings etc.? Why exactly three days and not two or
four or five days?
(NancyL) ZT: Many prophecies has alluded to the coming
pole shift, which is a KNOWN date and thus was wedded to the millennium in many
prophecies as 2003 comes so close on the heels of the year 2000.
(NancyL) ZT:
In addition to prophecies written years ago, there are many valid channels who
are writing warnings about the coming times, and contactees reporting similar
visions.
(DraganR) :0)
(NancyL) ZT: At times, the prophecies seem to
differ, and this causes consternation among those reading them and looking for a
firm guidance during troubled times.
(NancyL) ZT: it is like to proverbial
blind men, walking about the elephant, each describing a differnt FEEL of the
object they have encountered. What is the truth?
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, all is
truth, but one must sort it out by seeing the SIMILARITIES, not the
differences.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, the blind men groping at the elephant
could all report the same skin feel, the same height of the beast, that it felt
warm, was alive,
(NancyL) ZT: They could likewise have reported each from
their position that this felt like a leg, or moved as though not supporting the
beast as in a trunk or an ear.
(NancyL) ZT: This is the approach that those
reading prophecy or channeled work should take.
(NancyL) ZT: Where has the
coming shift been reported, with some accuracy, in ancient or recent
writings?
(NancyL) ZT: The Bible, in Revelations, is often quoted and is most
definitely reporting the occurence of a pole shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Hail,
quakes, volcanoes, fire from the sky, meteors, and waters turned bitter and red
with the red dust.
(NancyL) ZT: Often the appearances from the sky are
described as creatures, such as a dragon or lion or scorpion.
(NancyL) ZT:
Imagine a frightened populace seeing fire storms descending upon them, wipped by
winds, and hearing the earth moan about them as the crust resisted separating
from the core.
(NancyL) ZT: The Bible was describing a scene for PRIMITIVE
peoples, without the science knowledge of today, and without communications
capabilities to know what the rest of the world was experiencing.
(NancyL)
ZT: The Oahspe describes pole shifts accurately, and Mother Shipton has placed
here warning with great detail.
(NancyL) ZT: There are also many valid
channeled works which avoid mention of the shift, due to the propensity of the
entities channeled or the channel itself.
(NancyL) ZT: Some simply cannot
bear to be the bearers of bad tiding.
(NancyL) ZT: Regarding the Bible's
mention, in Revelation, of the "mark in the forehead", related to those who
would be saved.
(NancyL) ZT: This is often interpreted to mean those of
faith, who follow the rules put forth by their Christian leadership.
(NancyL)
ZT: Following rules, as we have stated repeatedly, is NOT the same as being a
Service-to-Other individual.
(NancyL) ZT: The mark referred to is an implant,
to be put into the bodies of those in the STO orientation who have accepted the
offer of assistance during the hour of the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Implants as we
have stated, are locating devices, to expedite the process during that hurried
time.
(NancyL) ZT: There is also confusion about 3 days of darkness, vs the
week of rotation stoppage we have predicted.
(NancyL) ZT: Why 3 days? A human
in shock, experiencing stoppage without knowledge of why this is occurring, will
have some delays in their sensory intake.
(NancyL) Lack of sleep will mean
that a night has not passed, and anxious people do not sleep well.
(NancyL)
ZT: Thus, a week has been compressed, in general understanding of the human
ability to measure time when the sun does not rise of set, to be 3
days.
(NancyL) ZT: That 3 days, not 7, appears in so many prophecies is an
indication that many groups, visiting Earth and wishing to help mankind during
this time, talk to each other and share their interpretations!
(NancyL) End
ZT
(NancyL) Any follow-on questions?
(Dumuzi) yes
(DavidS) Do all
abductees all over the world get message of the coming pole-shift from the et`s
they have met?
(Dumuzi) who was responsible for giving the prophetic visions
in the Revelation?
(Zunisunface) Are the people to be implanted already
implanted now and if so do they know they are?
(Trilluser) how is any of this
news? It's been suggested for ages?
(DraganR) Am I the one?
(NancyL) ZT:
Contactees are informed to the degree that they with to be. Many are intuitively
understood to be resistant, and as they are refusing unpleasnt information, they
are not told.
(NancyL) ZT: Revelations was reported by the group of entites
in support of Jesus, who certainly did not leave Earth simply because his human
body had died.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) STAR WARS
(NancyL) 1. Would it
not be a great service to mankind to shoot the giant comet out of the sky with
Star Wars? Would it not be STO?
(NancyL) ZT: Star Wars is being cloaked in
the auro of asteroid protection, with the announcement of new Near Earth Orbit
asteroids coming on the heels of one another lately.
(NancyL) ZT: It is often
pointed out that the orbit of these asteroids has been in place for eons, known
for decades, and is nothing new.
(NancyL) ZT: The establishment would like to
address the possibility of a pole shift in the following ways:
(NancyL) ZT:
1. Keep panic down until the last minutes, in case cataclysms actually do NOT
occur, so the rich and powerful can continue in place.
(NancyL) ZT: 2.
Prepare for the worst, among the elite, storing up goods and creating secure
enclaves, while denying the general public this information.
(NancyL) ZT:
The less competition for safe places and goods to be stored, the
better.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. Shoot the bastards causing problems DOWN, as in
aiming guns at a rioting populace, aiming a tank at an enemy, or aiming an
anti-missle missle at an inbound weapon.
(NancyL) ZT: 4. Escape, leaving the
public stunned and vulnerable, to Mars, or underground, or the Moon, or wherever
might be a getaway.
(NancyL) ZT: All this is a Service-to-Self package, and
the folks trumpeting Star Wars are part of this package.
(NancyL) ZT: They
know of the POSSIBILITY of a passage and pole shift, but are warning only their
rich and powerful friends.
(NancyL) ZT: They are hoarding, while putting into
place punishments for the general public who might do likewise.
(NancyL) ZT:
They are trying to figure out HOW to shoot the bastard down, by sending nuclear
material forth in their probes and planning a laser defense in space that is
scaresely operational.
(NancyL) ZT: They are trying to get to Mars, to ride
out the shift in safety, returning as kings when the worst is over.
(NancyL)
Therefore, Star Wars, as a part of the solution promulgated by this crowd, is
NOT a Service-to-Other effort, meant to save earth.
(NancyL) ZT: Any effort
with this press would inform the public, distribute good to those most
vulnerable, and spend the monies in the treasuries to create havens for the
general populace. Is any of this being done? Place this measure against what you
see the establishemtn doing, before you call forht their
orientation.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Any follow-on quesitons?
(Dumuzi)
Would they succeed in getting to Mars or refuge in outer space?
(Spanky) What
really happened with tupac/biggie smalls?
(PS2003) If the threat is real, why
is the US only interested in star wars?
(NancyL) ZT: As we have stated, this
will NOT be allowed even should their technology support this. No escape will be
allowed, due to a ruling of the Council of Worlds.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, you
will see some interesting twists in the establishment going into the shift, when
they realize they are TRAPPED.
(NancyL) Spanky, I have no idea waht
tupac/biggie smalls is. Can you explain? If this does not relate to the question
at hand, it will be ignored.
(Spanky) OK nothing to do with star wars
(DV)
Wouldn't support systems have to be set up prior to the launch to Mars or where
ever?
(NancyL) ZT: The US is NOT only interested in Star Wars. Prior to this
era, they had Mt Weather and underground facilites, escape to the Earth twin,
etc.
(PS2003) I meant that Europe,China,Russia oppose Star Wars
(NancyL)
ZT: Star Wars is most visible, as it much talk about how we MUST learn about
Mars while the majority of humanity on Earth is starving. How it is that Mars is
so vital? Certainly not to the general public, who are being led
about.
(NancyL) ZT: The likelyhood of an escape to Mars is so far from being
likely that it is absurd. There is no atmosphere, water frozen underground, and
the Space Station which would be a launching port not established.
(DV)
Exploration of other places helps us learn about our own and perhaps learn new
ways of providing.
(NancyL) ZT: Add to this the problems that will soon be
encountered with satellites, and high winds in the atmosphere.
(Skeleton) If
the possibility of surviving there is really so absurd, then can we assume that
the government's plans to escape are in their infancy?
(Spanky) How come SETI
cannot pick up radio signals, when there are probably dozens of 3rd density
worlds in range that are using radio like earth is now, including one in our own
backyard (the 12th)
(NancyL) ZT: The mission is doomed, but to reassure any
among those to be left behind, we are stating that even SHOULD they succeed,
they would not be allowed to do so.
(NancyL) End ZT
(Skeleton) Is this
just an alternative that the elite have on the backburner, escaping to Mars or
are they really hoping it will be their ticket to freedom?
(NancyL) ZT: Star
Wars and Mars are known to the public, as an obvious establishment escape,
because this is an effort that cannot be hidden from the public.
(DV)
Spanky's question is a good one and deserves answering
(NancyL) ZT: The many
steps the establishment is taking outside the public view have been ongoing for
decades, and are under intense discussion daily in the halls of power and the
back rooms where the elite rule the world, in point of fact.
(NancyL) End
ZT
(NancyL) Spanky, SETI is not under discussion. You must get this on the
Agenda, before hand.
(DV) Does the Gov't interact with Zeta or other factions
and know about these areas like the 12th? Could they be planning something for
the 12th?
(NancyL) ZT: If the odds are so great, then why BOTHER with Mars or
Star Wars?
(NancyL) ZT: These of course are not the only options the elite
are entertaining, just options that the public cannot fail to notice. Thus, the
public is given some excuse, and included.
(DV) I don't understand "if the
odds are so great" ? what does that mean?
(NancyL) ZT: The options MOST
pressed by the elite are moving inland and to high ground, creating serf or
slave cultures around them by some sort of bondage secured ahead of the shift,
which we warn about repeatedly, and putting up stores.
(NancyL) ZT: Prior to
the full meaning of a catastrophic shift being known, a favored resort was to go
underground, locking the doors against the staring public.
(NancyL) ZT: This
fell out of favor when it was realized that these bunkers could become tombs,
burried alive, etc.
(NancyL) End ZT
(Skeleton) Does "ahead of the shift"
mean before or after it?
(S7L) Skeleton: before
(NancyL) ZT: MJ12 and the
US government was informed of the approach of Planet X/12th shortly after
Roswell. This is why they went looking in the 1980's and found X in
1983.
(Skeleton) And, how can one be sure that they their loved ones are not
enslaved, besides trying to be sure that there are no government installations
near your area?
(NancyL) ZT: They simply fail to share this information with
the public, whose tax dollars they use.
(NancyL) End ZT
(DavidS) So MJ12
gave instructions to IRAS about watching Planet X Nibiru in 1980s?
(NancyL)
ZT: We have warned against moving toward the rich, with offers of employment,
ahead of the shift. This is not employment, this is enslavement.
(NancyL) End
ZT
(NancyL) SIGHTING PX
(NancyL) 1. how much would P-X's tail and orbiting
debris affect its apparent size when viewing or imaging.
(NancyL) ZT: Steve
has asked whether what he sighted, at Vancouver, was PX or PX enhanced by its
tail and moons.
(NancyL) ZT: As the story of Pluto's discovery tells, Moons
can increase the size of a small object, creating the illusion of a LARGER
object.
(NancyL) ZT: Indeed, PX's Moons do not circle it while out in space
and moving, but trail behind.
(NancyL) ZT: They do not simply line up behind
in a straight line, but twirl, moving ABOUT each other in the manner whirlwinds
or tornadoes do.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, viewing PX from the front, as it
approaches, one would see not only PX but a halo of moving Moons.
(NancyL)
ZT: In that PX also is surrounded by magnetic iron ore dust, there is reflection
of light from this dust.
(NancyL) ZT: When PX becomes visible from Earth, to
those gazing up from their yards weeks ahead of the shift, it will be seen as a
red object because of this dust.
(NancyL) ZT: Light from PX is thus bounced
FROM the dust cloud, creating the illusion of a larger red object
approaching.
(NancyL) ZT: To answer Steve's question directly, he was seeing
MORE than pX in his sights, last April.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Follow-on
questions?
(DavidS) So app 7 weeks before pole-shift in year 2003 we ALL
people on the world will see Nibiru Planet X?Or only some parts of
Earth?
(Skeleton) a question concerning the 12th planet's visibility and the
governments effort to find it- how could the 1983 IRAS sighting have been the
actual 12th planet when it was described to have temperature no greater than 40
K ?
(Spanky) What do I need to see it now, has it gotten brighter since feb
when observatories could see it?
(S7L) Skeleton, I understand that was a
misinterpretation of the data.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have explained in the
Planet X topic, the sighting was misinterpreted. Those seeing it wished it to be
a cool object or warm and far away.
(NancyL) ZT: Anything but what it was!
(Dumuzi) Could a small telescope like the one you use at home (not the
binocular) be effective in seeing the planet?
(NancyL) ZT: 7 weeks prior to
the shift, PX will be visible to all on Earth's surface facing it. It will be
south, away from the Sun, so night time mainly.
(NancyL) End ZT
(Jan) In
the Northers hemisphere, using a 12" or 16" scope, when will it be possible to
see Planet X?
(Chmiel) When will it be in the news?
(NancyL) Check the
Rogue Sighting TOPIC in TT (the word) for specs. You will need an observatory
until mid-2002
(Dumuzi) Thanks
(NancyL) ZT: Observatory scopes are needed
because they are designed to exclude noise, and magnify. Each pixtel becomes
many, and LARGE, so objects can be seen and not overlooked.
(NancyL) End
ZT
(NancyL) SIGHTING PX
(NancyL) 1. how much would P-X's tail and orbiting
debris affect its apparent size when viewing or imaging.
(NancyL)
Oops!
(DavidS) :-)
(NancyL) AFTERTIME
(NancyL) 1 Will gaining body
mass before the PS in conjuntion with increasing physical fitness to enhance
chances and longevity of survival?
(NancyL) 2 How well should algea crops
like spirulina be expected to grow after the shift either in manmade ponds or
wild in lakes etc.?
(NancyL) 3 Will the group formerly know as MJ12 continue
to function in anyway or maintain contact with ET groups after the
shift?
(NancyL) ZT: Humans wishing to survive the starvation and disease that
will be rampant after the shift should consider first their general state of
health.
(NancyL) ZT: Becoming overweight to store food is counter productive
if the general health is adversely affected.
(NancyL) ZT: The body has
capabilities most in civilized countries do not realize, as during starvation
use of nutrients is altered accordingly.
(NancyL) ZT: The body becomes weak,
energy lagging, but the ability to survive a long spell is
increased.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who are in good health, exercise and have most
importantly a good ATTITUDE, will be in the best position to
survive.
(NancyL) ZT: As many doctors and caretakers will report, the will to
live is PRIME for survival.
(NancyL) ZT: Patients expected not to see the
morrow live and recover, while those without serious injury or disease
surcome!
(NancyL) ZT: An attitude of hope, expectation that things will get
better, and a sense of excitement about what might be around the corner will do
more for survival than layers of fat.
(NancyL) ZT: Consider that a plump
person will run slowly, be easily caught, and would be considered a good meal by
some groups looking to canabalize.
(NancyL) ZT: Consider also that overweight
individuals would also be subject to being left behind by a group on the move,
or to be a good meal by hundry dog packs or wolves.
(NancyL) ZT: Can they
carry their pack? Are they resented for the food they have gorged themselves
with before hand?
(NancyL) ZT: There are many factors to be considered.
Eating WELL, of natural foods that you will perforce be required to consume in
the Aftertime, will aclimate your body to what is to come.
(NancyL) ZT: Being
in good shape, with exercise, will prevent fatigue from becoming a
discouragement.
(NancyL) End ZT
(Spanky) it is my observations that the
high-survival locations have been populated by STO (canada), and that the low
survival areas have been populated by STS (deep south). Is this a co-incidence
or by design by the birthing envoys?
(NancyL) ZT: Algae will grow poorly
under the sunlight available outdoors, but is an excellent source of food in
controlled indoor gardens.
(Dumuzi) Nice observation spanky
(NancyL) ZT:
The new MJ12 will be operational, in spades, in the Aftertime. This is a subject
that cannot be covered in the shoft time left in this hour, so will be deferred
until next time.
(NancyL) ZT: It is time for the populace planning to survive
to lift their eyes to the future, PAST the shift, to the years
afterwards.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not without hope, not without excitement,
and seeing BEYOND a travail helps to survive it.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, we are
asking the group and Nancy to defer this and give this question prime placement
next week.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(NancyL) Followup questions)?
(DavidS) This
kind of Irc-session - I hope will be every week until the pole-shift comes!
Thanx for another session, Nancy
(NancyL) Once again, the technical question
about core and spin is deferred, but I'll keep it on the list. Sorry
Lazio.
(Longint) Okay ;)
(NancyL) Well, it's been an hour, and I poop
out.
(S7L) This information was very helpful. I also give my thanks.
(S7L)
It sheds some hope :)
(Zunisunface) Thanks Nancy
(Jan) Thanks
Nancy!
(Dumuzi) Thanks Nancy
(NancyL) I'm going to say goodbye, and go
take a walk with the dog in the woods.
(Steveve) Yes, thanks!
(RedWine)
Exciting times for sure. Thanks
(NancyL) Thank all for inspiring good
ZetaTalk!
Session Close: Sat Dec 01 17:09:12 2001