Session Start: Sat Feb 09 15:49:33 2002
(NancyL) About on the hour here,
so going to start.
(NancyL) Reminder for newcomers, please hold your
questions until I post End ZT Followup? or some such
(NancyL) Else I must go
back and look for questions and likely will miss yours.
(NancyL) ICE
AGES
(NancyL) 1. Why do record in the ice samples of previous PS? I mean,
they should be either 3500 years old or 7000 years old or so, but not dated
400,000 years if the poles changed direction?
(NancyL) 2. What are the Ice
Ages? Did the end of the last Ice Age coincide with the Flood?
(NancyL) I
want to also post an analysis I did ahead of time:
(NancyL) (5 back) 17,000
BC: North Pole moves from central North America to Scandinavia, South Pole
formerly south of India over ocean begins to thaw
(NancyL) (4 back) 12,400
BC: North Pole moves from Scandinavia to Barents Sea, Europe starts to warm up,
former south pole ice over ocean thawing further
(NancyL) (3 back) 8,800 BC:
North Pole moves from Barent's Sea to East Siberian Sea, pulling Siberia
northward and killing most mammoths, Europe and Canada warm up, glaciers melting
former ice below Indian drops into ocean, creating Flood (see The Flood ZetaTalk
P42.htm)
(NancyL) (2 back) 5,200 BC: North Pole moves from East Siberian Sea
to Greenland
(NancyL) (1 back) 1,600 BC: North Pole moves from Greenland to
Artic Ocean, last of mammoths near Siberia become extinct (Prior Shift ZetaTalk
P99.htm)
(NancyL) ZT: Confusion exists over why the Ice in Antarctica dates
back, apparently, for many pole shift periods.
(NancyL) ZT: If one analyses
the last few shifts, it becomes apparent that the South Pole was either over,
part way, Antartica, or nearby in the ocean.
(NancyL) ZT: When a pole is over
water, near land, the land mass RETAINS its ice, under the influence of this
large block of ice afloat.
(NancyL) ZT: This is due to cold water washing
against the land mass, as well as air currents.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have
stated in ZetaTalk, the prior shift moved the North Pole from Greenland to its
present location.
(NancyL) ZT: Prior to that, it was over the East Siberian
Sea, having pulled Siberia northward where the largest number of mammoth dieoff
occurred.
(NancyL) ZT: Tracing the North Pole over the past few shifts, one
sees that it spent a time over Scandinavia where it resided between the 4th and
5th shift back.
(NancyL) ZT: When it moved from Scandinavia into the Artic
north of Siberia, Europe warmed up, its glaciers melting.
(NancyL) ZT: Prior
to Scandinavia, the North Pole centered over North America.
(NancyL) ZT: The
Flood occurred because during the time the North Pole was over North America,
the South Pole was over the ocean south of India.
(NancyL) ZT: When the North
Pole moved to Scandinavia, the South Pole repositioned on the other side of
Antarctica.
(NancyL) ZT: However, being over water, the former South Pole
melted from the bottom, floating on the water in a honeycombed
shape.
(NancyL) ZT: It retained a lot of cold, as the ocean water coming from
Antarctica DISTRIBUTED this cold, so the ice melt was not complete.
(NancyL)
ZT: A subsequent shift lurched this honeycombed ice and fractured it, so it
dropped into the ocean creating a displacement wave - the Flood.
(NancyL) ZT:
This water roared up toward Arabia and elsewhere north of this
splash.
(NancyL) ZT: Narrowing into the waterways between Africa and
Asia/Europe, water does what it does when under pressure, it went into tidal
bore.
(NancyL) ZT: This caused MORE sea level rise in the area Noah lives in,
described in the Bible as the Flood.
(NancyL) ZT: This water did NOT cover
the rest of the world to this height, thus, as most coastlines allowed the
splash to distribute, not bore.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Trizz8) Where
will the next pole shift send the poles? and does the rotation of the earth
change according to the pole shift?
(Steve) How is it possible that the
mammoth are shock frozen. Is it possible that the in/outflow of magnetic
particles at the poles pushes the heat particles away?
(NancyL) Trizz8, this
is in ZT now, New Geo and other writeups in the Pole Shift section.
(Trizz8)
k thx
(Pythag) What about native american prophecies of a great
flood?
(NancyL) Steve, They were drawn into what became the polar circle,
where NOTHING melts.
(NancyL) Steve, the Zetas have said they either drown,
were suffocated due to oxygen loss (fire storms overhead) or froze.
(NancyL)
Most drown, then froze solid after water receded.
(Steve) But why so quick?
There must be another mechanism at work
(NancyL) They drown.
(NancyL)
Siberia is low land, and will have a lot of flooding this time around
too.
(Spanky) Was there ever humans living on antarctica?
(NancyL) ZT to
Spanky: No
(NancyL) Going onto Next Q ..
(NancyL) EVOLUTION
(NancyL) 1.
Why those missing links between species of the Earth can't be found as Darvin
hoped?
(NancyL) 2. Did the life on Earth evolve naturally (without
intervention) from the time the first DNA-s were seeded to the apparance of the
ape?
(NancyL) 3. Was there a race of intelligent reptilians which got
affected by the virus too, etc. Mankind the 2nd pass here.
(NancyL) ZT: What
mankind calls the Missing Link will not be located as genetic engineering often
took place in tiny labs, islands where those being engineered would not escape
and breed with species or individuals not selected for breeding.
(NancyL) ZT:
If one wants to develop a line of thoroughbred horses, one does not have the
mares running lose.
(NancyL) ZT: One keeps them in fields, introduces the
stallion of choice, and subsequently selects offspring of choice for the next
round.
(NancyL) ZT: Bluntly speaking, when one is trying to increase the IQ
of an ape, and does not wish to spend eternity on a world doing so, one takes
such steps.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, leaps, or missing links, are often on islands
that may have been washed over by great waves during subsequent cataclysms, or
even gone under the waves and be ocean bottom now.
(NancyL) ZT: Just where
those islands might be, is irrelevant to man now, as he has more challenges than
he will be able to handle at this time with the forthcoming pole
shift.
(NancyL) ZT: There is some curiosity about seeding worlds and genetic
engineering, as the chicken and egg argument, what came first?
(NancyL) ZT:
Obviously, the first conscious species that could spark souls evolved naturally,
and this happens today in the Universe.
(NancyL) ZT: Seeding worlds
accelerates this, and engineering a species accelerates this.
(NancyL) ZT:
This is done, as we have mentioned, with the same motive that parents have
toward their offspring, the desire to mentor and assist.
(NancyL) ZT: On
Earth, the species that evolved FIRST to be close to this level were
reptilian.
(NancyL) ZT: They were engineered, gained intelligence to the
level of mankind today, but did not have the dexterity that hominoids
do.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, their intelligence turned to social matters, not
construction.
(Jurian) Grr
(Gerard) Wait a moment
(Gerard)
Netsplit
(Gerard) The first time this occurs during the IRC session
:/
(NancyL) I'll write but hold it until you say OK.
(Jurian) Something's
being a bastard.. Trying to get it fixed.. :/
(Elizagirl67) What
happened
(Gerard) Netsplit
(S7L) A netsplit. It's over. Let the session
resume.
(Jurian) Looks like the hub crashed
(Trizz8) Uhhh
huh...
(Jurian) Most are
(Steve) I thought
somethings wrong with Nancy. Shock
(Jurian) Getting the rest
(NancyL) ZT:
They were susceptible to the same factors that created a great dieoff among the
dinosaurs, and floundered in poor health.
(NancyL) ZT: It became apparent
that the continuance of this species was not sustainable, as the susceptibility
was INHERENT in their DNA and would be hard to counter.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus,
their engineers turned to considering other species, which eventually became
man.
(NancyL) ZT: Mammals had resistance that the reptiles did
not.
(NancyL) ZT: Therefore, mankind is not the FIRST intelligent species to
evolve or be assisted in evolution on Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have stated,
worlds are often used repeatedly for 3rd Density existence.
(NancyL) End ZT
Followup?
(SteveH) What did the intelligent reptiles look like and what was
their society like?
(HBO2) So, there is reptilian DNA hidden in man?
(Jos)
Were souls living in these reptile bodies moved over to human forms, was this
the rule
(NancyL) SteveH ZT: It is often speculated that these intelligent
reptiles were small dinoarus.
(SteveH) Did they have art or music?
(JJ)
Weren't humans created to be slaves at first?
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, they were
amphibious, as the Earth had earlier been a water planet, before its crash where
its wound in the Pacific occured.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they did not have the
arms and fingers and toes that many lizards have.
(NancyL) ZT: They had fins,
long bodies, and very little else.
(Steve) Did they had any
technology?
(NancyL) ZT: Their intelligence had developed due to their long
life, and the societies they had developed were deemed appropriate for 3rd
Density life.
(NancyL) ZT: The remnants today, live in places on Earth,
within cavities that have water ways, and we decline to describe this
further.
(NancyL) End ZT to SteveH
(NancyL) Jos ZT: Indeed, just as humans
today have souls that were at one time incarnated in the giant hominoids
formerly visiting Earth, and just as Star Children are incarnated on
Earth,
(NancyL) ZT: So souls that had to move on to new bodies during this
time, the reptilian dieoff, moved into Early Man.
(Trizz8) Is star children
explained in ZT.com? If not, please do.
(NancyL) End ZT to Jos.
(Jos) Cool
:)
(NancyL) JJ, this is disinfo that the Nibiruian created man.
(S7L)
Trizz: is explained to some degree. Go read it, use the search.
(Trizz8)
k
(JJ) Ok thank you
(NancyL) ZT to Steve: The reptilians did not have the
means to create technology, as they could not manipulate their
environment.
(Steve) Thank you
(Longint) So does the soul bounds to the
place rather than to the species?
(Spanky) Did these creatures have a time in
4th density? And then moved back as they all became discarnate?
(NancyL) ZT:
Their selection as 3rd Density species was based on their native intelligence,
and the socialization they had already developed.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as the
ape was deemed a good predecessor for these same reasons.
(Rev14) Are the
lacerta files genuine? The interview with a reptilian?
(NancyL) ZT: Thus,
developing more IQ and consciousness, these reptilians turned to social
manipulation.
(NancyL) ZT: There are many 3rd Density worlds where this is
the DOMINANT sprititual development arena.
(NancyL) ZT: Who can influence
who, who is friends with whom, who can punish whom, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: This is
not all that different from man's experiences, except that mankind distracts
himself with technology.
(NancyL) ZT: He plays with THINGS, if frustrated
with social interaction.
(NancyL) ZT: Where THINGS cannot be a distraction,
these reptiles simply went off for a swim, just as man goes off for a
walk.
(NancyL) End ZT to Steve.
(Supervizor) (But could the dinosaurs
communicate with eachother? And if yes, how?)
(Steve) Very good information.
something to think of.
(NancyL) ZT to Longint: There is a strong desire of
young souls to remain in place, familiar places, but primariy because they have
unfinished agendas.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as young souls may linger between
incarnations and haunt, as ghosts, in a similar manner, they will want to
reincarnation in the area.
(DraganR) 111111
(NancyL) ZT: This tendency
lasts often through much of 4th Density, a long plateau, so does not die
quickly.
(NancyL) End ZT to Long.
(Spanky) Does lack of technology push
the younger entities towards the STS orientation?
(NancyL) ZT to Super: Most
species with social interaction have many means of communication.
(Trizz8) mm
blastrid
(NancyL) ZT: Man is used to thinking of talking and writing, as well
as body language.
(NancyL) ZT: Even birds and insects communicate with each
other.
(NancyL) ZT: It is not so much the complexity of the message as the
MEANING behind it, not often misunderstood.
(NancyL) ZT: A dog can exhibit
affection by licking or disgorging food to its young, and exhibit hostility and
rejection by a snarl.
(NancyL) ZT: Whether this is cloathed in lots of words
of not, the MESSAGE is clear.
(NancyL) ZT: Choices for STO or STS thus are
many, regardless of the ability to record complex communications.
(NancyL)
End ZT to Super.
(Supervizor) Ahh! (thanx for the answer! :) )
(NancyL)
Last Q if about Polarization STO and STS ...
(NancyL) INCREASING
POLARIZATION
(NancyL) 1. How does the polarization by orientations occur in
the daily life? Will the STO simply ignore and reject to interact with those who
are less matured or more STS-inclined? Doesn't this interfere with their
spiritual tendency, the STO?
(NancyL) ZT: In that the 3rd Density world that
man currently lives in is such that they CANNOT easily group by orientation,
into STO or STS groups, this is a point of confusion during this Transformation
time.
(NancyL) ZT: A group of STO individuals, seeking to separate, will soon
find themselves being visited by those wanting to take advantage of
them.
(NancyL) ZT: A group of STS individuals are the first to arrive in such
a setting, as this is ideal to their way of thinking.
(NancyL) ZT: Most STO
individuals have family and friends they are intertwined with, who have mixed
oreintations, are undecided.
(IQx) =P
(NancyL) ZT: Then enter the rule of
law, societal laws, which REQUIRE these relationships to continue.
(NancyL)
ZT: Governments do not want groups to isolate themselves, and consider this a
great threat.
(NancyL) ZT: Look to the rage with which the FBI invaded
isolated groups a decade or so ago, to see how this is veiwed.
(NancyL) ZT:
They consider ALL cizitens to be their property, and insist on the entanglements
that are wrapped around the individual from childhood on, remaining.
(NancyL)
ZT: One must have schooling, be papered, get a job, be taxed, produce offspring
that are likewise controlled.
(NancyL) ZT: The rage over abortion is an
example of how far this sense of control and the importance to those power mad
can go.
(NancyL) ZT: There must be NO escape.
(NancyL) ZT: So how does
this change, after the shift, during the Transformation?
(NancyL) ZT: First,
isolation and separation from government control is automatic.
(NancyL) ZT:
Governments will lost control utterly, and isolation be the norm, not something
sought.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it comes down to how a small group, or a
community, might separate and polarize.
(NancyL) ZT: Think of your family,
how family members or workforce members find compatible associates and tend to
migrate toward them in their free time.
(NancyL) ZT: If the controls over
family support or showing up for work were GONE, this would occur increasingly,
and become full time.
(NancyL) ZT: You have the STS minded, who go off to
loot and look for the weak.
(NancyL) ZT: They thus are removed from strongly
STO groups, as these groups tend to cooperate well with each other, and defend
themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: Now you have the undecided, remaining with the STO
or straggling along on the periphery of the STS.
(NancyL) ZT: In a STO
environment, there is much serious discussion, and expectation that all will
work hard for the general wellfare.
(NancyL) ZT: Undecided find this grim, no
fun, and at the first opportunity peel away and set off on their
own.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, if doing well, they establish their own communities,
and if not doing well, die off.
(NancyL) ZT: To a great extent, the every-day
life that man has today, in civilized countries, will NOT exist.
(NancyL) ZT:
Disease, infections, and accidents will strike quickly and decimate
survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, STO communities will increasingly find
themselves the surviors among survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: When this occurs, they
will find themselves in contact with high tech communiteis of humans and
hybrids, living together.
(NancyL) ZT: At this point, if not earlier by being
assisted unannounced, they will find their lives improved.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus,
to immagine this polarization, remove the rule of law, the demands of society,
and carry forward the natural trends you see among people today.
(NancyL) End
ZT Followup?
(HBO2) Zetas have predicted a 90% die off from this PS. Will
most of this be from catastrophy or from starvation and marauders?
(SteveH)
Can STO individuals positively infuence those leaning toward STS?
(Steve)
Will it be helpful to just say no to these STS people, and isn't it very hard
for an STO entity to say someone he has to go because he has not the right
orientation.
(NancyL) ZT to HBO2: The majority of the dieoff will be along
the coastlines, from flooding, and from hurricane winds, or from violent
volcanie explosions.
(NancyL) ZT: Surviving this, man will find himself, if
civilized, faced with starvation.
(NancyL) ZT: Soft living in the cities
dooms man, as even should he struggle to rural areas, he has no notion of what
to do.
(NancyL) ZT: In many rural areas, even where primitive living had been
the norm and the population tough, if volcanic ash is severe, lead poisoning and
starvation will follow.
(Spud2001) :(
(NancyL) ZT: In those areas where
such tribulations had not affected the population, there will be dieoff from
lack of medicine if a civilzed country, and from fighting and
marauding.
(NancyL) ZT: Count the number of people today, in North America or
Europe, who are sustained only because of medication.
(Elizagirl67) Do these
high tech communities with humans and hybrids exixt now.
(NancyL) ZT:
Survivors gone mad with the changes and heartache will be violent and desertion
of children common.
(Elizagirl67) Do these high tech communities with humans
and hybrids exixt now.
(Elizagirl67) Sorry
(Gerard) Elize: no, will be
after the pole shift.
(NancyL) ZT: In industrialized areas, poisons will be
in the area, and all who migrate there to seek assistance will find themselves
regretting this.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, there are many steps and stages to a 90%
or so reduction, no one cause of death.
(NancyL) End ZT:
(NancyL) Eliz,
yes, but in 4th Density on Mars, and on Earth in places not to be
mentioned.
(NancyL) Folks, its past the hour. Going to sign
off.
(Lebrasse) Bye Bye Nancy, and thank you.
(NancyL) Sorry about the
netsplit, but the log will go up by end of day tomorrow.
(Rev14)
Byee
(Jos) Do we see the signs of polarizations in things like Enron and
other scandals now, or is that just coincidence
(Elizagirl67) Thanks Nancy
zeta
(JJ) Thanks again Nancy
(SteveH) Bye Nancy
and Z's!
(Jos) Oh, ok...:)
(Steve) Bye nancy
(S7L) Thanks Nancy. It was
enlightening.
(Gerard) Thank you Nancy and the Zetas..
(Steve) Bye
Z's
(NancyL) Jos, big time. No question the Republicans are leaning toward
STS! My opinion.
(Duane) Bye..Thanks
(Jos) Everybody's
opinion!
(NancyL) Bye bye guys, thanks for inspiring great ZetaTalk
:-)
(JJ) Hey Zsss give me a call....
Session Close: Sat Feb 09 17:07:57
2002