Session Start: Sat Jun 01 16:44:20 2002
(JJ) I agrre we still have no
proof
(NancyL) Hi folks, am going to post the early notice of the Agenda.
(Torbj) And you didnt have to reconfigure your kitchen or
carwatch??
(Cmel) Torbj: I have no atomic clock ... so I cannot tell the
diference
(NancyL) HOMEOPATHY
(NancyL) 1. Finally, if you kindly could ask
the Zetas about homeopathic remedies and how these potencied (highly thinned)
remedies works (physically, emotionally and mentally) on the organism (there are
good results from treatment on humans and animals), that would be great.
(Redeye) Torbj : your point being ?
(NancyL) And the person who requested
this provided the following explanation of homeopathy:
(NancyL) The word
Homeopathy is put together from the two words "homios" meaning similar, and
"pathos" meaning suffering/disease. The main principle in homeopathy is "Similia
similibus currentur" . This means that things that can produce symptoms can also
cure them. An example is that when you are cutting onion in your kitchen, your
nose are running, tears are running, and your eyes are smarting. These symptoms
are very similar to the symptoms related to allergy, and we often use red onion
as a homeopathic remedy in allergy patients.
(Jenkins3d) Torbj: if anyone is
changing the time like the Zetas say they are it would not be noticable on a
regular clock
(Torbj) Red...the stupid try to cover up the rotation
slowing
(Okidok) Nancy are u a homeopath??
(NancyL) No, to
Okidok.
(NancyL) SOLAR FLARES
(NancyL) 1. There are reports that solar
flares are anonymous to a scale unseen in history.
(Redeye) indeedy...and
the rest, everyday occurance with alot of things
(Willshell) Okidok I have
neaver heard her claim to be
(NancyL) The following was provided by the
person who requested this be on the Agenda:
(NancyL) The following is a quote
from an interpretation of NASA data: " This represents the most anomalous period
of solar behavior ever witnessed by modern man, with the previous 11-year solar
cycles seemingly gone and the new cycles - if there are ones - being unclear or
perhaps not established as of yet. We can expect an energizing effect on storm
systems, enhanced seismic and volcanic potential, enhanced electrical arcing and
malfunction potential, possible satellite and electrical grid malfunctions, and
high potential for anomalous animal and human behavior patterns."
(NancyL)
CONSCIOUSNESS
(NancyL) 1.If consciousness and what we sense - matter - go
together, then is there something which stands in back of both, and to which
matter and consciousness exist as phenomena, a mere function of that which lies
behind?
(NancyL) 2. Matter behaves as if it had consciousness, a sense of its
surroundings and a desire to escape from or remain in a certain conflux of
circumstances. How much consciousness does matter have, and how materially
connected is our consciousness?
(NancyL) That's it.
(HBO) Nancy: if you
posted the explanation of homeopathy, it did not come through on my
screen
(NancyL) Is Grimbot a person or a bot?
(Willshell) HBO she
hasn't
(NancyL) HBO, someone told me large posts get inhibited. I'll try
breaking the in two pieces ..
(Willshell) Looks like a person
Nancy
(NancyL) Piece 1: The word Homeopathy is put together from the two
words "homios" meaning similar, and "pathos" meaning suffering/disease. The main
principle in homeopathy is "Similia similibus currentur" . This means that
things that can produce symptoms can also cure them.
(NancyL) Piece 2: An
example is that when you are cutting onion in your kitchen, your nose are
running, tears are running, and your eyes are smarting. These symptoms are very
similar to the symptoms related to allergy, and we often use red onion as a
homeopathic remedy in allergy patients.
(NancyL) HBO, did you get piece 1 and
2?
(HBO) Yes, thx
(AGreenspan) "Scale unseen in history"?..Exactly how
long has flares been viewed to post such suggestion?
(NancyL) OK, I'll also
repost the NASA quote, then, in pieces.
(NancyL) Piece 1: The following is a
quote from an interpretation of NASA data: " This represents the most anomalous
period of solar behavior ever witnessed by modern man, with the previous 11-year
solar cycles seemingly gone and the new cycles - if there are ones - being
unclear or perhaps not established as of yet.
(NancyL) Piece 2: We can
expect an energizing effect on storm systems, enhanced seismic and volcanic
potential, enhanced electrical arcing and malfunction potential, possible
satellite and electrical grid malfunctions, and high potential for anomalous
animal and human behavior patterns."
(NancyL) AGreen, yes, this is a
distraction/disinfo device. I posted long on sci.astro about this.
(NancyL)
Basically, the Sun was SURMISED to have a long/big "cycle" this time around, per
NASA and the Navy, so it could be used as an excuse for PX symptoms
here.
(AGreenspan) Good. We're on the same wavelength then.
(HBO) How
convenient
(Loitus) What will be the first, most obvious, syptom of
PX?
(NancyL) Someone, Charles Cagle, who is considered "odd", posted that if
we have a solar reversal affecting Earth or some such 2/3 of humanity will die
:-)
(NancyL) This is to dull the awareness of PX inbound, no looking for it,
as it is, you know, the SUN's fault.
(Okidok) They have found a large scale
of water on Mars
(Cmel) Looking the wrong way
(Cmel) ;-(
(NancyL) Also,
pointing to the Sun for pole shifts (yes, Charles said it would cause a pole
shift, but he meant only magnetic) and high dieoff (unexplained causes) is one
disinfo/distraction thing I noted this week.
(Cmel) k
(NancyL) The other
was that Omni mag had a feature April/May on Planet X. Is this about PX? NO!
It's about SETI a the search throughout the Universe for intelligent life and
lifebearing planets!
(NancyL) So people will hear "pole shift and big
die-off" and they will say "oh, the Sun thing, but that went away".
(Torbj)
Really...no one in here had to set their watches for a couple of minutes this
past weeks?+
(Loitus) Not really
(NancyL) So people will hear "Planet X"
and they will say "oh, SETI, yes".
(Cmel) Did you torbj ???
(Torbj)
yes!
(Cmel) How much
(Loitus) Maybe your watch is broken?
(Torbj) 3 min
this past weeks!
(NancyL) Also, I think 2001 PM9 or some such Near Earth
Object passage is being called by Hazelwood or some such "Planet X", as it is
supposed to pass in April/May 2003.
(Cmel) Ok ... that was much
(Zetapal)
I thought Omni mag was out of publication.
(NancyL) This is to confuse the
little guy, on the street, so they don't take the warning seriously and do NOT
understand what the ZetaTalk message truly IS.
(NancyL) Nice guys out there,
no?
(Redeye) Disinfo makes my blood boil
(Cmel) What does your clock say
???
(HBO) No surprise, Nancy
(Zetapal) "tick tick"
(Cmel) Mine says
23:50
(NancyL) Zetapal, I got this from Omni www.
(Cmel) 23:50
(Cmel)
23:51
(Torbj) All my clocks "offline" is all "slowing down"... and my friends
also...
(Zetapal) I see
(NancyL) Oh, before we start, I have one more
update for the crowd. This is already a link off my web site, in Hazlewood $$
link.
(Loitus) Digital clocks?
(Cmel) Hey Torbj .... I'm your friend
(Jenkins3d) Torbj: Your not making sense, read what zetatalk says and if any
of this is actually happning it would only be a second or so.
(NancyL)
Hazelwood posted, on his mailing lists or wherever, that a Boston doctor
reported Px Confirmed, 100%!! and the like.
(NancyL) This Boston doctor
supposedly was invited to an observatory sighting session where "several
government officials" were also.
(Cmel) But jenkins is right
(Willshell)
Wow
(Torbj) Ok...all my clocks are malfunctioning....
(Okidok) Nancy every
conspiracy theories claims that they know, but they are hiding evidence, why are
this theory so much house trained
(Cmel) Hehe
(NancyL) They reportedly
told this doctor that PX was real, was going to pass in June or July 2003, was
going to cause problems by breezing along asteroids from the asteroid belt onto
Earth.
(Willshell) Interesting.
(NancyL) Now, for the govmt to admit that
Px exists is NOT HAPPENING, and to name a date is NOT HAPPENING, and besides
(here's the big laugh)
(Redeye) Annoying
(Cmel) Hey Torbj .... I'm your
friend ......
(Tizza) Everybody see the article on inteligent life found on
Mars?
(NancyL) Px is IN THE SUN, i.e. is not visible at all above the horizon
for either the north or south hemisphere until last June for southern hem, and
mid July for northern hem.
(Cmel) Nope
(Loitus) Hmm
(Torbj) I'm
yours!!
(Cmel) k
(NancyL) Now, this was brought to the attention of the
Hazlewood crowd, his gate-mistress Di who runs his site, and her statement was
that the collective consciousness allows people to see Px (?)
(NancyL) And
also, that they used filters. Try to see STARS when you stare at the SUN! Much
less Px which is dim and diffuse and NOT a star and small.
(Cmel) Don't mind
that
(NancyL) So, he passes through garbage, or more likely makes it all up,
and they are a laughing stock.
(Cmel) First time, Swb?
(SWB) No I have
been here lots of times.
(Cmel) k
(NancyL) But Art Bell has found a new
"source" for the ZetaTalk material, Dames, the Remote Viewer, who now states
that 2003 and Px are real.
(Zetapal) Torbj I've been keeping two digital
clocks running without reset since November and one is now 24 min fast , the
other is 52 min fast, So , you see,they are not accurate, and their error far
exceeds the interval of earth slowing that zetatalk refers to at this
time.
(Redeye) Sigh
(Cmel) Me not
(Kirk) I see, any source but
zetatalk
(Willshell) Ya we were just talking about Ed
(NancyL) That's
until Dames CIA handlers decide to make this go away. Hazlewood by the way is
tryng to make it "go away" by claiming it will come weeks/months late, or maybe
years later than the May 15, 2003 date.
(NancyL) This is to help folks?
Someone is pulling his string, trying to keep the little guy off the highways
until the elite have gotten away, etc.
(NancyL) Nice guy, once again,
Hazlewood.
(Loitus) He's claiming that anyone who says that he says it's
coming any other time but May is part of the disinfo crew...
(Cmel) You
cannot make an experiment with clocks that are below, standard
(HBO) Looks
like they are providing cannon fodder for later
(Tizza)
http://www.rense.com/general25/filers53002.htm
(NancyL) Loitus, and since
Hazlewood has a prediction trackrecord, we can trust HIM, right? Also,his Boston
sightings when Orion is in the Sun should cause any thinking person to dump
Hazlewood.
(Redeye) Food for the sheep who dont open their eyes
(Torbj) Ok
pal...but just this last weeks have to pay attention to this phenomena due to
the fact that I listnen to the radionews that always come on the "hour"... this
has never happend before... slowing down on ALL my offline clocks...
(Tizza)
The first piece of this article I found interesting.....
(Loitus) Nancy: In
his last post to his yahoo group, he completely says the opposite of what you
erroneously just posted.
(Cmel) k
(Cmel) Torbj you have atomic clocks
?
(NancyL) HBO, yes, that was my thought. They are trying to keep the little
guy in the cities, and then will hold guns on them to KEEP them there so they
die off quickly. VERY bad feeling about this latest Hazlewood disinfo. He was
setup to be a disinfo source from the start, in any case.
(Torbj)
No,cmel...
(Loitus) He says that someone has been posting under his name,
that is part of the disinfo crew, and he posted his full beliefs of what is
going on, and that his opinions will never change.. and if anything is posted
that says the opposite then it wasn't posted by him.
(Domicile) Did anyone
see the Senate is eagerly looking for a safe area in the Midwest.
http://www.rollcall.com/pages/news/00/2002/05/news0516a.html
(NancyL) Loitus
:-) But this posting was on HIS mailing list, supported by HIS gatemistress, DI!
So I did not erroneously report this, these are HIS words!
(Zetapal) Torbj -
did you say your clocks are getting SLOWER? NO NO if the Earth is slowing,
Clocks would appear to be FASTER, say Torbj you're not too smart are
you?
(Petals) Morning all.
(Loitus) So, I do believe Nancy to be out of
the loop and you have been fooled by the disinfo crew yourself..
(Cmel) Then
why do you think that you know that time is slowing down
(Jenkins3d)
Lol..that was mean
(RedD) Hey Petals
(NancyL) Loitus, then DI was also
confused, and reports that she also talked to this Boston Doctor.
(Torbj)
Maybe not...
(Cmel) I'm your friend .... but I try to find the
truth
(NancyL) Domicile, Kokomo Indiana will not take them too? Bush wants to
disband any but the Executive (read NWO) arm of the US government.
(Loitus)
Hazlewood, right now, says he's pretty much being completely attacked by the
disinfo crew which means anything with him, right now, has to be taken with a
grain of salt.
(Tizza) Nancy: I thought the habitants of PX drained mars of
water... now they're claiming they have found vast amounts of water just under
the surface.. or is this just excuse to keep up the funding for Mars
missions?
(NancyL) Tizza, it means ZT was right, once again!
(NancyL)
Tizza, they won't get there, just hope to, etc.
(NancyL) OK, it's the hour,
and I'm starting.
(Loitus) Hmm
(NancyL) HOMEOPATHY
(NancyL) 1. Finally,
if you kindly could ask the Zetas about homeopathic remedies and how these
potencied (highly thinned) remedies works (physically, emotionally and mentally)
on the organism (there are good results from treatment on humans and animals),
that would be great.
(Cmel) Ppl shut up
(Jeremy) tizza: The Anunnaki
drained their dirty waste water underground, which froze. This latest discovery
by the Mars Odyssey craft appears to confirm ZT
(NancyL) ZT: Homeopathy, the
concept that physical reactions to disease AND the cure have some relationship
both has and does not have a valid basis.
(NancyL) ZT: It has long been known
that cancer is sometimes cured by a high fever, such as ChickenPox
infection.
(Loitus) Has it?
(Loitus) News to me
(Cmel) Shut up
Loitus
(NancyL) ZT: This is the immune system being spiked, along with a
desire on the part of the patient to live, such that the immune system is no
longer suppressed due to depression and a silent desire to end the
life.
(Orion) Loitus is this week's trouble maker
(Tizza) Ah yes ok thanks
Jeremy
(Loitus) ok, I didn't know I was to be silent sorry...
(Cmel)
k
(NancyL) ZT: Here we have cancer causing weakness and fever, due to
secondary infections and lack of appetite, and we have the Chicken Pox causing
the same symptoms, thus the homeopathy concept applied.
(NancyL) ZT: Allergy
is at times treated by desensitizing the patient, giving them small bits of the
allergen until the reaction seems to stop.
(NancyL) Is this curing the
allergy or managing it, or taking advantage of a natural reaction?
(NancyL)
ZT: In fact, allergy patients will often report that if exposed for long times,
years, their allergy reactions reduce.
(Rhinyboy) Hello
(Cmel) Whois
/Nancy
(NancyL) ZT: Worse at first, later reducing, as the body sorts out the
true onslought to the immune system over time.
(Cmel) Whops
(Cmel) Heh
eheh
(NancyL) ZT: So is desensitization, CREATING more of the same symptoms
as the disease, a cure, or a manipulation of the body's natural
tendencies?
(NancyL) ZT: Homeopathy, is primarily a HOPE, and like VooDoo and
the placebo effect, where the WILL or HOPE effect the cure hoped for, is not
factual in the main.
(NancyL) ZT: Those living in countries where homeopathy
is unknown, fare as well or as poorly as those in countries where this is a
theory respected.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Loitus) ?
(Rhinyboy) Sup
ace
(Cmel) Lets put it in latin ...
(Rhinyboy) Sorry
(Cmel)
?
(NancyL) Q2:
(NancyL) SOLAR FLARES
(NancyL) 1. There are reports that
solar flares are anonymous to a scale unseen in history.
(NancyL) This was
accompanied by a NASA quote, as follows (I'm assuming this is in fact a NASA
quote, or a summary of the quote)
(NancyL) The following is a quote from an
interpretation of NASA data: " This represents the most anomalous period of
solar behavior ever witnessed by modern man, with the previous 11-year solar
cycles seemingly gone and the new cycles - if there are ones - being unclear or
perhaps not established as of yet.
(NancyL) We can expect an energizing
effect on storm systems, enhanced seismic and volcanic potential, enhanced
electrical arcing and malfunction potential, possible satellite and electrical
grid malfunctions, and high potential for anomalous animal and human behavior
patterns."
(Cmel) Bitchin
(NancyL) By the way, for those not present
earlier in the chat, I posted long on sci.astro (someone requested I do so)
jumping into a discussion on whether the Sun is causing all manner of problems,
etc. But this is new ZT now ...
(AGreenspan) The success rate of modern
medicine, is, I suspect, close to placebo.. hence isn't the observation applies
to modern medicine as well?
(NancyL) ZT: Solar Flares, an extended or
anomalous solar cycle, has been planned for decades to be used as a distraction
and excuse during this time.
(Loitus) What about surgery, it does
help...
(Gerard) Agreeenspan: other topic now ... you are to late with your
follow up question
(Gerard) The same for Loitus
(NancyL) ZT: Where the 11
year cycle was to end in 2000, it was reported prior to its end to perhaps be a
14 year cycle, ending in 2003.
(Cmel) "has been planned" ?
(NancyL) ZT:
Where did the historical references to base this estimate come from? This is not
provided, the conclusions provided, but not the data.
(NancyL) ZT: In fact,
there IS no historical reference, as all previous solar cycles recorded or
observed by man fall into the 11 year cycle.
(Cmel) Sorry ... Gerard &
Nancy
(NancyL) ZT: In order to create an environment where such speculation
can be stated as FACT, or taken seriously, there needs to be a climate of
confusion established well ahead of time.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, where the one
hand of NASA reported the solar cycle on schedule, and normal, or even rather
mundane, the other hand went a bit whacky in their reporting.
(NancyL) ZT:
They muttered it seemed to be coming early, no, now late, no, now concluding,
no, now continuing, and thus the public never has a firm basis for
comparison.
(NancyL) ZT: Any reports given that might be challenged are done
so in the auspices of NEW satellites or probes, so comparisons can again not be
made.
(Rhinyboy) I have a question bothering me and ace
(Cmel) Thus a firm
basis for you "Nancy"
(NancyL) ZT: What does all this mean? It means that ANY
reason for the current weather, satellite failure, magnetic diffusion, or
heating core along with volcanic and quake increases, are to be blamed on the
Sun.
(Ace) Shut up Rhiny
(SWB) Good by, I will wait for the postings-to
much chit-chat. when you little kids shut up and quit interupting, AND JUST
LISTEN, I will come back... By Nancy - thanks for your time.
(NancyL) ZT: or
Global Warming, or normal cycles detected in the past, causing Ice Ages or
melting poles in history.
(Gerard) Well SWB is right, no chatter during the
session else you will be kicked or banned okay ... people want to listen to the
answers
(NancyL) ZT: And meanwhile, please just focus on the Israel
situation, or perhaps Bin Laden, or perhaps a movie star recently divorced or
murdered.
(Rhinyboy) Ok I'm sorry it will never happen again right
Ace?
(NancyL) ZT: Anything but the issues the common man should be made aware
of.
(Nomis) When we will see a big SolarExplosion?
(NancyL) ZT: Why do the
elite strive to confuse so, when the truth will eventually be found
out?
(NancyL) ZT: 1. they hope the economic structure, which keeps THEM on
top, will continue as long as possible.
(Cmel) Yes why?
(NancyL) ZT: 2.
they hope the little man will continue in his jobs, in his home, until they have
LONG left for their safe enclaves, thus preventing detection or preventing their
escape when the time comes.
(Zetapal) Why what dinglefritz shut the f up
Cmel
(NancyL) ZT: 3. they hope to trap the common man, in masses in cities
and along the coasts, in death during the shift, so as to reduce the need to
poison them with chemtrails, proving difficult to manage and
implement.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, you are told recently by Hazlewood, a disinfo
arm setup to twist the message of ZetaTalk at this time, that the date will be
LATER than anticipated.
(Cmel) k
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, you have Planet X in
the news, under every subject BUT the inbound planet that will pass on May 15,
2003 or shortly thereafter.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, you have confusion about the
role of the Sun lately, such that it is surmised to be about to cause a pole
shift, magnetic in nature, that will cause most of humanity to die
off.
(Rhinyboy) Woa
(NancyL) ZT: The common man, exhuasted after a long
day earning a living, and not educated enough to challenge some of the sources
of news, is confused.
(JJ) I've decided to be a STO warrior, time to kick
ass.... may the force be with me
(Nibiru) ?
(NancyL) ZT: Will this
continue up until the shift? Yes, and get worse, until the barage of
disinformation is overwhelming.
(Zetapal) Blow well young
skywalker
(NancyL) ZT: Where will this end? It can possible end in members of
the media being disgusted, leaks from the government, and the TRUTH being told
increasingly.
(Nibiru) Shh.. I'm trying to read dang it
(NancyL) ZT: It
can possibly result in some countries, perhaps France or Russia, presenting the
truth to their people and the truth crossing borders.
(NancyL) ZT: As with
Enron facing the Bush Administration, pretending the information does not matter
only goes so far.
(NancyL) ZT: The truth has a ring to it, such that it is
recognized, and passed on with great seriousness.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, this
issue of disinformation is in play, and in the hands of man, and might jump any
number of directions over the next very interesting year.
(NancyL) End ZT
Followup?
(Hugo) Nancy: Is a solar flare likely to be something, such as a
bluish lightning flash that one can see even on a clear night?
(Wage) NancyL:
is the economic collapse comming soon? Sighting the dollar losing 7% against the
yet/euro, and the rising price of gold, as well as more disclosures of corporate
fraud in accounting, etc?
(Nibiru) Yes
(Freedom) Nancy... NASA has mapped
the sky using "2Mass", according to their web site... will PX be erased from
it?
(Okidok) Nancy the truth you are claiming is yet a theory, it is a fact
when it`s occur, but in the meantime is a theory, and it look like a petit
conspiracy. The problems with conspiracies is you can;t come up with real proof,
its based only on believe it or not
(JennaJ) What happened to Jurian Van Der
Knaap?
(Jeremy) Nancy, won't ZT followers help to spread the truth about PX
once the disinfo becomes manifestly obvious?
(Linus) You couldn't see a solar
flare at night Hugo... the sun is down!
(Nibiru) In a year, she'll be proven
to be a fraud, or a prophet, it's that simple.
(NancyL) ZT to Hugo: The solar
flares are NOT anything man on the face of earth can recognize, thus can be made
up freely as disinfo. Trust NASA, as they have the Hubble and probes and
satellites, and will TELL you what has occurred. Of couse, they lie.
(NancyL)
End ZT to Hugo.
(Gerard) JennaJ: asking about Jurian has nothing to do with
this ... nothing to do with this session .. so why ask ?
(Cmel) Nancy you
claim alot, but when does it happpen?
(Gerard) Cmel: it's ZetaTalk not
NancyTalk .... An the Zetas as you know said May 2003
(Zugzwang) False profit
more like it!
(NancyL) ZT to Wage: We are frequently asked to pin point the
moment of collapse, which of course will NOT be a moment but a series of
moments, when this or that leg under the table breaks, and finally a corner
drops, slipping the table top contents onto the floor, and finally the table
itself drops.
(Nibiru) Heh
(Cmel) There is no profit !!!
(NancyL) ZT:
Beyond that this will be a series of steps, and is in the hands of man, due to
the general rule that we are not to interfere with mankinds free will.
(Wage)
What are the steps?
(NancyL) ZT: VERY SELDOM can we interfere, and then
within strict bounds. For instance, we can discribe in general terms that it
WILL collapse, not when.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, we can describe the
quakes and volcanic eruptions that will occur leading up to the shift, not WHEN
for an AREA.
(NancyL) ZT: Do we warn you today, about a volcanic eruption, a
tornado, a broken rail line, or a stock inflated beyond real worth?
(Gerard)
Are there other social signs, changes in society to look for before the pole
shift will occur besides the ecomic crash?
(AGreenspan) You will get strong
confirmation, when strange object is visible to amature astronomers, in a few
months
(NancyL) ZT: NO!, nor do we cure your cancer, rescue you from floods,
or feed you when you are starving.
(Nibiru) What will be the first, most
unmquestionable proof, of the existence of Planet X, and that it will cause
great harm to earth?
(Nomis) But at that time we have no unnormal volcanic
action
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, expect NO MORE going into the shift than you get
now, from aliens, or good spirits, or angels or whatever you call
them.
(NancyL) End ZT to Wage.
(Cmel) ZT : if there is a contactee, then
that contactee must be a soul =) sparked, according to what I have read. Is that
correct?
(NancyL) ZT to Freedom: 2MASS will NOT map the part of the sky we
are pointing to, until the point where PX is not there, or before PX has
arrived, and the like.
(NancyL) ZT: If you read their schedule, they claim
all imaging has been done, but needs time to be catalogued and made
available.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, images claimed to be taken in 2001 may be taken
recently, to avoid the embarrassing PX spot in accordance with our
coordinates.
(NancyL) End ZT to Freedom.
(Freedom) Thanks
(Mmt) The
principle of carmic neutrality seems to be common to all ET., but are there
controversies among them?
(Gerard) Don't ask follow up questions that are not
related ... to the answer
(NancyL) Okidok, yes, listening to ZT is not
always "here's the proof" but we have a LOT more of that in the track record of
predictions gone as predicted.
(Cmel) k
(STO Warrior) The art of
disinfo,came from the aliens originally
(MadMax) NASA is saying the sunspot
cycle peaked in late 2000
http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/images/ssn_predict_l.gif
(NancyL) Ergo,
more believable than Joe or Jane or whomever who spouts and has NO track record
to show they know anything at all!
(Cmel) Yep
(NancyL) OK, I tried to go
back and pick up the followup, sorry if I missed anyone, will get the last
Q3
(NancyL) CONSCIOUSNESS
(NancyL) 1.If consciousness and what we sense -
matter - go together, then is there something which stands in back of both, and
to which matter and consciousness exist as phenomena, a mere function of that
which lies behind?
(NancyL) 2. Matter behaves as if it had consciousness, a
sense of its surroundings and a desire to escape from or remain in a certain
conflux of circumstances. How much consciousness does matter have, and how
materially connected is our consciousness?
(Okidok) Thanks Nancy
(Linus)
Now its a few months til PX is visible... 6 months ago you said it would be
visible in July
(NancyL) ZT: A difficult concept for many humans is the
concept of consciousness.
(Cmel) Explain pls
(NancyL) ZT: They see the
babe in the crib, aware seemingly only of its stomach and need for milk, and
compare it to the dog at their feet, seemly aware and alert.
(Matt)
?
(NancyL) ZT: Is the babe conscious, and the dog not? The point at which
consciousness is present is not CRISP or CLEAR.
(NancyL) ZT: Is the human
conscious because they have a certain IQ? Yet it is reported that retarded
humans can have incarnating souls.
(NancyL) ZT: Is the human conscious
because they discern themselves as separate from other humans?
(NancyL) ZT:
Yet so many humans are so fuzzy about their identity that they join any group
for a sense of belonging, and confuse their actions with the
leaders.
(NancyL) ZT: Is the human conscious because they have a memory, can
compute, can put A and B together and come up with C?
(Cmel) Why did you
boot me ... ??? I did nothing
(Rhinyboy) HEY ACE
(Rhinyboy) LETS
ROLL
(NancyL) ZT: Yet the Chimp uses tools, and a wolf pack can figure where
the prey may be running to next, and many animals have long memories and are
crafty.
(NancyL) ZT: At what point does consciousness click in, or click out,
if it does, and is it thus possible for a dog to have a soul and a human
not?
(Cmel) Bitch ==)
(Nibiru) Hmm
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that an
existing soul may CHOSE to incarnate in an animal that does not have the
potential of sparking a soul, for education reasons.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the
dog or snake or dolphin does not SPARK a soul, but can be incarnated on
occasion.
(Arekay-tC-) WTF is this place? :o
(NancyL) ZT: To spark, the
biological entity must have the capacity to envision itself as separate, and
where many animals SEEM to have this trait, they do not.
(Zugzwang) It's a
soapbox for a cult leader
(Arekay-tC-) This.... place...
(Arekay-tC-)
Eew.
(NancyL) ZT: A dog will understand that it is being yelled at, or
snarled at by the leader of the pack, and by groveling and crawling away is
indicating they understand ANOTHER has interacted with THEM, as a separate
being.
(Rhinyboy) LETS GO ACE NOW!
(Nibiru) Huh?
(Rhinyboy)
Sorry
(Rhinyboy) It was my bro
(Rhinyboy) Go on
(Paz) What is
this
(NancyL) ZT: But this is instinctive activity, This is NOT a discernment
of separate biological entities.
(NancyL) ZT: The dog has evolved to react in
such a manner, to challenge until certain signs are present, then to
submit.
(NancyL) ZT: Instinct is not consciousness, biologically programmed
reactions are not consciousness.
(NancyL) ZT: Even as the babe is lying in
its crib, alsleep or crying for milk, seemingly unaware of its surroundings, it
is AWARE.
(NancyL) ZT: It understands that when it smiles at mother, and
mother picks it up, that is has engaged in an interaction with
ANOTHER.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not the same as a birdling in a nest, putting
its beak up for food when the mother bird alights.
(NancyL) ZT: This is
instinct.
(NancyL) ZT: On evolving worlds that do not have genetic
engineering, the species that eventualy emerges to have consciousness, and thus
sparking souls, gets there slowly.
(NancyL) ZT: At first, there is instinct.
Then there is increasing intelligence until the concept of separateness begins
to be a factor.
(Cmel) Thus I have a question : in order to be an incanarte
being, does that mean that one has to be an old soul?
(NancyL) ZT: Increased
intelligence tends to be selected for survival, as the intelligent species can
better their odds.
(Rhinyboy) May I ask a question?
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the
MORE intelligent in the group breed to increase intelligence, and the trend
hastens yet more.
(Nibiru) No, no talk-only listen ;)
(NancyL) ZT: Thus,
where not VISIBLE in man, his consciousness, awareness of himself as separate, a
factor absolutely necessary for sparking of souls, is there.
(NancyL) End ZT
Followup?
(STO Warrior) Isn't the soul's sole purpose to capture some of the
experience in the matter, energy, space, time, universe for the collective....
IE: God?
(Mmt) Will computers get the feeling of being separate?
(Nibiru)
Yes
(Nibiru) What will be the first OBVIOUS sign of Planet X here on Earth, a
sign NO ONE can question?
(mackerel) What about those who say man is galactic
and came here from elsewhere?
(NancyL) STO Warrior, this is YOUR statement,
not ZetaTalk, and I find this not valid myself.
(Okidok) I think many is
bound to this issue because they have a need to fly away or to escape from the
daily boring routines, the real life is becoming to stressed, somebody find a
profound link to religions groups
(Hugo) All consciousness is ONE
(NancyL)
MMT, ZetaTalk has stated (Robots writeup in Rules section) that computers and
robots are NOT conscious, not truly, as they are programmed and cannot CHOSE,
truly, and thus are not interesting to the stuff of souls, which do not linger
there nor spark.
(Nibiru) NancyL: What will be the first OBVIOUS sign of
Planet X here on Earth, a sign NO ONE can question?
(Cmel) NancyL Please read
my questions
(NancyL) Nibiru, being imaged in infrared by Haute-Provence,
which provided the original CCD from the camera, and seeing it NOT at the Jan
5th location on the 19th, and vice versa, did not do it for you?
(AGreenspan)
In the meantime however, I suggest chatters check the book "Alien Agenda" by
Marrs.. look in the chapter that deals with government and remote viewers.
Surprise for you there. I promise.
(Wage) sci-astro guys weren't satisfied
with those images
(Nibiru) It proved something moved, but not
what..
(NancyL) What I'm saying here, is that if you want to deny, you can be
in your home while rotation has stopped, accepting the excuse that the clocks
are just fast or wrong.
(NancyL) You can listen to the moaning earth and
accept that it is just some road work being done, reverberations.
(Nibiru) I
want to believe, but I find it hard to, until there is SUBSTATIAL undeniable
proof, but that has yet to come, I hope it does..
(HenryK) I've read
somewhere that animals, insects etc. have group souls.
(NancyL) You can see
the reddish object in the sky, growing larger every day, and accept that this is
whatever NASA wants to call it, a passing comet with odd emissions or
whatever.
(Gerard) Okay folks, don't pester Nancy with questions that are not
related to this session please .. for those who have read the page with info
about the IRC session one can read that questions can be send it ...
(NancyL) In short, there is NO point where someone wanting to have their
hand held will be convinced!
(Nibiru) Until.. it arrives..
(Nibiru) So, we
know in May 2003 no earlier..
(Tizza) Science can never prove anything 100%
can only disprove
(NancyL) Wage, the ones that are satisfied don't dare post,
they get endless mail and threats and their employers gets contacted.
(STO
Warrior) isn't a sparked soul just a soul that has successfully imprinted a
personality on it?...in a sense personalized it?
(Orion) Will California go
under before the pole shift?
(Okidok) Seven week before
Nibiru
(AGreenspan) There is circumstantial evidence, N. if you're willing to
put in the effort.
(Nibiru) It sucks that the next Star Wars movie,. will
never get made... dammit
(NancyL) HenryK, reading somewhere? Does the
somewhere have a track record of prediction success as ZT does? Anyone can bull
shit.
(Nibiru) Maybe it'll miss LucasFilm's ranch ;)
(NancyL) Nibiru, a
week before rotation stops. You should know THEN for sure.
(PottM) It's not
hard to bull shit at all.
(Gerard) You know I am not sure when it was written
maybe in 1998, was written in a book from John E. Mack where a contactee was
said that her hybrid child will come down to earth in 5 years ... book is from
1999
(Redeye) Are animals such as pets incarnated with souls to be of use to
people or their predicaments?
(Orion) Will California go under before the
pole shift?
(NancyL) 7 weeks before it is visible in the sky for anyone to
see, no scope needed. You SHOULD know then, unless scared to admit to
yourself.
(Okidok) Nibiru this whole session is by this time just a
theory
(NancyL) For the discerning, there is proof aplenty
now.
(AGreenspan) Indeed
(Nibiru) I honestly believe, but my instinct
forces me to ask for definate proof, but I must conced that until it happens
there can be no undeniable proof, due to the disinfo crew.
(NancyL) Orion,
Cal will have quakes, but will NOT go "under" but "over" as shortening Pacific
will raise it.
(Orion) Thanks
(ChiefSimi) What can a soul learn in a
dog?
(Freedom) Check the USGS site for earthquakes... hundreds in the past
month of 3.0 and greater
(NancyL) Cal will be flooded, by tidal waves during
the shift, water trapped behind the coastal mountains, inland, slowly
draining.
(Hugo) When you look at an animal you see a former phase of your
OWN consciousness
(Nibiru) It suck to be living in NJ... time to move to
higher ground...
(STO Warrior) Souls are the observers of the experience,
nothing more nothing less
(NancyL) Redeye, I had a dog once I swore had a
soul, as it was around after he died for awhile, but this is seldom the case, my
understanding.
(Redeye) Nancy : I see, thanks
(Nibiru) Animals I believe
have a less developed soul.. almost a simpler soul..
(Torbj) As incarnated
in an animal you can for one thing, learn to "read" patternīs
(NancyL) OK
folks, the hour is past. If I've missed any valid followup Q's I
appologize.
(Orion) I love you Nancy!
(Nibiru) See ya in May!
(NancyL)
Thanks again for attending and inspiring great ZT, and thanks to Gerard and his
crew for being such a good cop :-)
(Cmel) NancyL : if you are a contactee are
you a soul then?
(Nibiru) OR NOT...
(Nibiru) ;)
(Okidok) Dogs are
often barking into a empty room, maybe they are seeing somthing we dont
see.
(NancyL) Every week its an interesting week, past, and I expect the week
ahead to be full of surprises too!
(Jan) As always, thank you Nancy & the
Zetas
(NancyL) Hang tight!
(NancyL) Bye bye!
(Domicile) Thanks Nancy
and Zeta's
(Tizza) Thanks nancy and Z'S
(NancyL) Yes, dogs SEE aliens, as
they don't have a subconscious/conscious split!
(STO Warrior) Ahhhhhhh the
force in some is weak
(Nibiru) It'll suck if in May nothing happens.. I hope
they don't try to explain it.. We'll see though
(Gerard) Bye Nancy, and thank
you and the zetas
Session Close: Sat Jun 01 18:11:25 2002