Session Start: Sun Nov 11 17:59:03 2001
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(NancyL) If Steve Havas is or
Michael Listman or Mike O'Hara are present, we can invite them in.
(ZetaTalk)
Inviting Mike O'Hara to the Live Room
(ZetaTalk) Inviting Mike Listman to the
Live Room
(NancyL) This is the first weekly IRC session planned by ZetaTalk.
A question has been posed to the attendees as to time in future, whether 4:00 PM
Central on Saturdays would be good. This would be late morning in Australia and
Pacific Rim, late evening in Europe.
(NancyL) I will be posting the logs from
these sessions on the web site.
(NancyL) The Zeta responses will be brief,
more interactive than normal ZetaTalk, but may be fleshed out to be included in
the ZetaTalk What's New page as needed after the session.
(NancyL) Several
questions were posed, on late notice, for this evenings session.
(NancyL)
They ranged from questions about earth changes going into the shift, the
passage, life immediately afterwards, and an interesting STS/STO question which
will be addressed if there is time.
(NancyL) I see that two of the
questioners are present on the stage.
(NancyL) The first question to be
addressed by the Zetas is Mountain Building, how much and to what degree this
will occur THIS shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Mountain building apparent to humans has
occurred over many shifts, nudged up repeatedly as the given shift affected that
particular plate with enough force to create a strong subduction.
(NancyL)
ZT: Thus, is is a CUMULATIVE affect, not a one-time result. This time around,
there will be strong mountain building, in particular in the Hymalayas and
Andes, not so much along the West Coast of North American, and hardly at all in
the Alps in Europe.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Followup from the
Questioner re this response?
(MListman) No, this answered my question,
thanks
(NancyL) Second question to be addressed will be regarding
preparations for the shift. Human checklist may be OTHER than what the Zetas
would advise! Have human checklists fallen short?
(Jurian) !invite Steve
Havas
(ZetaTalk) Inviting Steve Havas to the Live Room
(NancyL) ZT: Humans
hearing dread warnings tend to think in terms of stocking up and hunkering down.
The cataclysmic situations they incounter include tornadoes (hunker down),
hurricanes (escape and store up away from the coast), droughts or shortages
(store up), etc.
(NancyL) ZT: The pole shift will present survivors with LONG
TERM needs, not anticipated. We advise thinking about Third World conditions and
adaptations, or life 100 years ago for those living in highly industrialized
nations.
(NancyL) ZT: This give the picture of CONTINUING struggle. You don't
plant seed to grow for this season, you save 10% for seed stock next
year.
(NancyL) ZT: You don't eat your livestock altogether, when hungry, you
save your best pairs and breed for the future, going hungry NOW if need
be!
(NancyL) ZT: You think of the minimal that you will need, not the optimal
and how to arrange for it. When you've got the minimal, start adding to that,
but ONLY when the minimal is addressed.
(NancyL) ZT: This is where humans
fail the most in planning for the shift, and life afterwards. They think of
their life NOW, and come down from that. They should start with life with
NOTHING, but bugs and sucking dirty water up from the ground with their hands.
No clothes. No heat. NOTHING.
(NancyL) ZT: Then add what is needed most, and
first. Heat, shelter, then food, bugs if need be or weeds, then how to clean
your food so you can stop that tummy ache and constant pooping, then how to grow
or gather food more effectively, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: Start from that, adding
what is needed to clean water and eat food nature will provide, live bugs
aplenty, and go from THERE, and you will have a better plan.
(NancyL) ZT:
End
(NancyL) Is there any followup questions from the questioner.
(MikeO)
Is it advisable to start suggesting to trusted neighbors that something is
up?
(NancyL) ZT: If you make mention to those friends and neighbors that YOU
are concerned, without demanding anything from them such as agreement, they will
come to YOU when the time comes.
(MikeO) Thank you. No more
questions
(NancyL) ZT: They will see you as someone alert, intuitive, and
when THEY start to be concerned, you will have no problem talking to them, a
receptive audience.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Third question from Steve
Havas ...
(NancyL) He asks about specifics of the passage, how long the
rotation will stop, just when the shift will occur, and if the passing planet
will be visible from Earth, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: We have withheld the EXACT hour
of passage from our ZetaTalk for several reasons: 1. the establishment and those
groups who would take advantage of good hearted folk would use this knowledge to
better entrap and enslave and ensure their own survival at the expense of the
good hearted.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. The timing of this can change slightly due to
matters in the solar system, such that a mis-calculation could see us, in
horror, watching good hearted folks trying to save those dependent upon them TOO
LATE, by days or hours, a matter we would prefer to avoid for a later
announcement, more precise.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. Earth changes, and the EXACT
position of the Earth in relationship to the passing planet, will change
slightly as the time approaches, so warnings for this or that part of the world
may change at the last minute, or last week in any case. Best to leave this for
THEN, so no misunderstandings can occur.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, as we approach
the shift, our messages will get more precise, and the messages today are as
precise as GENERAL information can be. Stay tuned, in this regard.
(NancyL)
ZT: We have stated that the rotation will stop for approximately a week. The
best advice is to NOT watch your clocks, but to watch the skies. Do you see the
Moon or stars on the move. It has STARTED! Have a watcher in your group, or more
than one, at all times. You have minutes to get safe before the stoppage, when
great quakes happen. Less than an hour.
(NancyL) ZT: The passing planet will
be visible to all on that part of the Earth facing the Sun, not on the dark side
except that they can see tail matter perhaps, to the side, like a comet tail but
redish.
(NancyL) ZT: To those viewing the passage, the passing planet seems
to be a red cross, not larger than the Moon (smaller in fact), and drifting
slowly.
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Are there followup questions on this
portion of Steve's questions?
(NancyL) The fourth question and answer is a
combination from two individuals.
(SteveH) My concern for knowing precise
date for pole shift was in case the 15th turns into the 16th or 17th and would
be survivors start getting ansy and leave due to other engagements.
(SteveH)
and then the shift happens on the 18th or something...
(NancyL) ZT: The date
of May 15th has often been referred to as an EARLY date, to some degree.
(SteveH) I have one question regarding stoppage of rotation..
(NancyL)
ZT: This is early to some degree, the number of days or weeks not
specified.
(NancyL) ZT: Anyone who has severed their life elsewhere and is in
a safe place BY May 15th will not find this distressing, or have any regrets.
This is as close as we can come to specifying the anticipated day of the shift,
now.
(SteveH) What if it is cloudy several days after stoppage? How to best
determine pole shift as it starts so as to rush to shelter?
(NancyL) ZT: By
May 15th, it will be utterly clear that earth changes are IN PROCESS, most
humans walking about in shock, numb. There will be no getting ansy or debate
about a mistake.
(SteveH) Hehe, good
(NancyL) ZT: Regarding the hour of
the shift where clouds obscure the night sky or viewing of the Moon or Sun,
clues that the crust is shifting.
(NancyL) ZT: There will be sounds from the
Earth, different from the moaning that occurs the week of stoppage, where the
crust is in TENSION as regards the motion of the core turning under it, while
the crust is stopped.
(NancyL) ZT: The moaning, where only the utterly weary
can sleep, will STOP, replaced by a tearing sound, jerking motions as the crust
separates, and this in combination with the point the SUN is viewed or any stars
on the night side of the globe are viewed, is the clue.
(NancyL) ZT: Re
proximity to shelter during the week of shelter, humans are advised to stay
within a few minutes of the trench or bermed shelter, during all
times.
(NancyL) ZT: This will in fact not be difficult to maintain, as all
will be hovered about, clinging to each other, no other news or focus
distracting them.
(NancyL) ZT: Children can be entertained if this is planned
for, and not stray far.
(NancyL) ZT: For those needing to sleep, have them
sleep IN the shelters, for instance. Plan to minimize the steps needed when the
alarm goes off, and tolerate a few false alarms with good humor!
(NancyL) ZT:
End
(GerardZ) A question from someone in the audience room : "Ok, follow up
to the 3rd q. when will the planet be visible to the naked eye if watched from
earth?"
(NancyL) Gerard: This audience question is 7 weeks before passage, in
existing ZT.
(NancyL) The fourth question and answer is combined. Will weeds
and grass grow in most areas? How long after the shift before normal crops can
be grown?
(NancyL) ZT: Edibility and availability of native weeds and
grasses after the shift, as a source of food for humans and livestock and even
wildlife, depends upon the location, entirely.
(SteveH) Best case, worst
case?
(NancyL) ZT: In some parts of the world, life will virtually close
down. This is near volcanoes, under the drifting ash, or where polar cold
descends.
(NancyL) ZT: In other parts of the world, there will within two
years be abundant grasses or weeds. For instance, the new land emerging between
Antartica and Africa, will be moist, temperate, highly fertile, and without
competition from livestock or seed from most weeds.
(NancyL) ZT: Any seed
landing there will FLOURISH!
(NancyL) ZT: In areas not in the path of
volcanic ash, but affected by the overall gloom, one might estimate a 50%
reduction in sunlight and crop success.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, if a crop
needed strong sunlight to flourish, it might barely get to producing seed before
the season ends.
(NancyL) ZT: In nature, this would reproduce the weed, but
for crops, it would not be a return.
(SteveH) How about potatoes?
(NancyL)
ZT: Survivors will soon find what crops manage to give a return, and what
not!
(NancyL) ZT: Another factor is rot, the moisture level, which will be
EXTREME. Mold will be everywhere, dampness, bugs, and those crops that tolerate
damp conditions coming through, others failing utterly.
(NancyL) ZT: Root
crops, where they provide a survivor in the evolution chain due to the energy in
these roots or tubors, do NOT do well enough after a pole shift due to the wet
ground and mold about.
(SteveH) Doh!
(NancyL) ZT: Also, consider the
wildlife and bugs, which are likewise hungry. Food under the surface can be
reached and eaten while the exhausted humans sleep, where fences are less likly
to be breached.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not an easy answer, as it depends so
much on local, and what each survivor or group is familiar with planting and
harvesting, so the variabilities are immense.
(NancyL) ZT: If a crop can be
grown in the dim, the damp, and is not susceptible to mice or moles, yet carries
nutrition, it is a WINNER! Remember, likewise, that you can eat bugs, if they
manage to eat your crops!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Any followup questions
to this Zeta response?
(SteveH) So fungus and mushrooms should
grow?
(SteveH) In appropriate areas that is
(NancyL) ZT: Mushrooms are
often mentioned as a good possibility, and they are one, but they are NOT the
best, nor the only. Explore, and test a bit! Run up a spreadheet of candidates,
and run a lab in this regard! This is, in fact, a nonprofit project, which could
use a lot of help!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(MListman) Will any mature trees
survive the shift?
(NancyL) Question five is about explaining matters to
others, creating fear in them or resistance.
(NancyL) ZT: Each human will be
different in their response to earth and sociological changes about them. Some
will increase their resistance as the shift approaches, some suddenly break and
become aware and oriented.
(NancyL) ZT: Some will seem to be solid partners,
planning, and then become distant and trivial as the time
approaches.
(NancyL) ZT: Some will get hysterical, to the point of disrupting
all about them, if allowed to. The hysteric may be someone expected to be the
rock, and the flaky person become the rock, to everyone's surprise.
(NancyL)
ZT: Thus, how to approach those friends and family members one hopes to form a
survival group with is NOT an easy answer, as the variabilites are as large as
the population under question!
(NancyL) ZT: Our advice is to not put all eggs
in one basket, maintain as much flexibility as possible, and be surprised at
nothing a human could present you with!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL)
Regarding Michael Listman's question about native trees.
(NancyL) ZT: Trees
will in the main die, as they do not have stores of energy that can be tapped,
and rely on annual sunlight to maintain those portions of themselves that are
live.
(NancyL) ZT: Then how to trees survive, shift after shift?
(NancyL)
ZT: Seedlings, in fact, survive better, and many seeds do not sprout until years
later. It only takes a few sprouting seeds to prepetrate the
species.
(NancyL) ZT: Seedlings are tiny compared to the giant parent, and
thus can move along with fewer nutrients.
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, it is the
seedling trees, growing a few years after the shift, that should be nurtured,
NOT the dying parents.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as after a forest fire, these are
the trees of the future!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(MListman) Thank you
(NancyL)
We're closing the hour, so the last question pending among the 3 selected
questioners will be addressed, briefly.
(NancyL) Sixth question was regarding
satellite failure during the last years, predicted by the Zetas. Will cell
phones fail?
(NancyL) ZT: The satellite failure we have predicted will be
sporatic, but enough to impact technology as it support lifestyles today. Land
lines will be reliable, cell phones not.
(NancyL) ZT: This will be most
disconcerting to the power brokers among the elite, who will find business
floundering, stocks which have fallen almost to the ground unable to be
salvaged, and the reliance of the military on communications creating choas
among those expected to protect the elite.
(NancyL) ZT: These groups will be
screeching at each other, making shrill demands where no fix can be
made.
(NancyL) ZT: The little man, the common man, will fare better,
especially if they are using short wave technology. They will rely on this
increasingly, and it will be old hand and familiar by the time it is needed
solely, for communication at a distance from the site.
(NancyL) ZT:
End
(NancyL) There were also some questions regarding the rate of recovery in
the Earth, 5, 10 etc year after the shift, and fighting such diseases as
gangrene with CS.
(NancyL) ZT: The Earth recovers from a shift in
relationship to its location relative to active volcanoes, in the main.
(NancyL) ZT: The skies clear first where this dust is in the high altitudes,
NOT in the wind-drift from fresh ash just raised.
(NancyL) ZT: 5 years after
the shift, even 2 years after the shift, some sporatic sunlight will warn the
Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: Those areas not getting direct, unclouded, sunlight will
notice an increase in intensity, through the clouds.
(NancyL) ZT: It is
possible even under clouds to get a sunburn, so clouds are not a death sentence
to vegetation.
(NancyL) ZT: 10 years after the shift, many parts of the globe
will consider themselves back to normal, although their memory will be failing
them in this regard. So much better than before, that it seems like
heaven!
(NancyL) ZT: Other parts of the globe, in the down-drift from
volcanoes, will feel like Moses, enduring 40 years in the Valley of Death, where
nothing lives.
(NancyL) ZT: What should not be forgotten, and can be planned
upon even for those far inland, is the lushness of the oceans, and fish and kelp
to support humans survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: This will not be so dependent upon
the air clearning, as the oceans move this food about, fish about, so fishing
ANYWHERE will be more abundant, compared to land life, in the
Aftertime.
(NancyL) ZT: As regards CS to cure all ills, where a good assist,
like raw garlic, it will not be salvation. Many will die, but remember that
death is not the end!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) This concludes the hour of
IRC. Are there any followup questions to that last batch of answers?
(MikeO)
When the Zetas say fishing ANYWHERE, do they also mean inland lakes and streams?
(NancyL) ZT: Life in large lakes, as well as oceans, will fare far better
than land based life after the shift.
(SteveH) How long will most volcanoes
continue to spout after the shift?
(NancyL) ZT: This is in part due to the
way sunlight enters water, and the susceptibility of land based vegetation to
mold and bugs and physical assult and the like.
(NancyL) ZT: Seaweed will not
find MORE assults that before, but will find more nutrients. Where the sunlight
may be less, they can parlay any growth upwards, using ALL sunlight, where land
based vegetation finds itself decimated periodically, having to start over,
etc.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, ocean fishing will be best, due to the broad space it
covers and the shared nutrient and fishlife resulting, but land lakes will
likewise likely do better than the shores!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) ZT:
Re how long the volcanoes will take to settle down. 100 years, but in a reducing
ratio, over this time.
(NancyL) ZT: by the end of 100 years, their activity
will seem as today.
(SteveH) after two years?
(NancyL) ZT: Nevertheless,
for those downwind, this post shift burping is virtually a death
sentence!
(NancyL) ZT: End
(NancyL) Well folks, its been an excellent
hour! I wish to thank our questioners for their excellent and pertinent
questions.
(NancyL) We are looking to extablish an hour when all around the
world can find it at least possible to attend.
(SteveH) Thank-you
Nancy!
(MListman) Thanks
(MikeO) :) :) :)
(SteveH) and Zeta's too
hehe
(NancyL) I have posed whether on Saturdays, 4:00 PM Central Time, last
evening in Europe, and late morning in Australia, for instance, might not be a
good regular time.
(NancyL) Your input (after this chat) on this matter would
be helpful.
(NancyL) Good night to all, and an especial thanks to Jurian and
Gerard, and to Jurian, sure hope you don't have to work EARLY tomorrow!
(NancyL) Bye bye. this will be put on the web, shortly :-)
Session Close:
Sun Nov 11 19:20:00 2001