Session Start: Wed Jul 03 14:57:27 2002
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<agentY> oh no
<agentY> heh.
<obany> hi
<agentY> yo
<agentX> hey
<agentX> read about this movie
<agentX> http://www.zetatalk.com/script.htm
<agentX> i'm gonna try to rent it next time i go to the video store
<obany> it's a script only .. not a movie or so
<agentY> sweet.
<agentY> hahaha
<agentY> thats right
<agentX> obany: not a movie ?
<agentX> oh ok i see
<agentX> thought it was
<agentX> lol
<agentX> anyway
<agentX> here is the entire script
<agentX> http://www.zetatalk.com/script.htm
<agentX> oops
<agentX> http://www.zetatalk.com/passage.pdf
<agentX> there
<agentY> seen contact. didn't like ending.
<FunBot> I don't know who contact. is.
<agentY> hahaha
<agentX> do you think this script could have help Nancy start will all her zetas stuff and stories ?
<agentX> seen NancyL
<FunBot> NancyL was last on IRC channel #ZetaTalk 66 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes ago.
<agentY> dunno
<agentY> could be.
<agentY> wow, nancyl left this channl
<agentY> chased out??
<agentX> Danny ... a friend of mine at a large observatory has been tracking an incoming object, but has been told to keep mum about it if he "knows what's good for him". Says this has been going on for over a decade, what's reported to be Planet X for many years
<agentY> wow.
<agentY> good script
<agentY> hehehe j.k.
<agentY> hehe
<agentX> hehe
<agentX> "... it's coming... "Oh my God, we're all going to drown" (the radio goes dead).
<agentY> u should video tape his statements.
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<kire56> hello
<agentX> kire
<agentY> but danny told u this?
<agentX> hi
<agentX> Danny ... a friend of mine at a large observatory has been tracking an incoming object, but has been told to keep mum about it if he "knows what's good for him". Says this has been going on for over a decade, what's reported to be Planet X for many years
<agentY> so he don't know whats good for him.
<agentX> agentY: no its part of the script
<agentY> is that what they told him?  keep 'mum' about it danny?
<agentY> agentX  oh!! shit, i thought it was real.
<agentX> hehe
<agentX> read the story
<agentY> hehehe
<agentX> very fun
<agentY> gotta make din.
<agentY> bbiaf.
<agentY> or so.
<agentX> 10% of the net royalty proceeds acruing to Nancy, the author of the script, will be gifted to Troubled Times, Inc. This 10% is to be used at the discretion and direction of the Board of Directors of Troubled Times, Inc. Troubled Times, Inc. is a passive recipitent of the 10% in proceeds, and in no way assumes ownership of the film script, The Passage, or any active role in negotiations.
<agentX> > Troubled Times, Inc.. dont you find this strange
<agentY> hehehe
<agentX> geez
<agentX> and then she say she is broke
<kire56> has this story been sold? (clueless just getting here)
<agentX> kire no idea
<agentX> you can read the entire story there
<agentX> roubled Times, Inc
<agentX> http://www.zetatalk.com/passage.pdf
<agentX> agentY what was the ending again in Contact ?  if i remember they told her she had made a dream or something like that eh?
<kire56> is it any good?
<agentX> kire: well i didnt read it , just find it on her website.. im going to read it sometimes..
<agentX> seem like the PX story but with aliens coming to earth saving us
<kire56> ok I'll be back in a second
<obany> not sold for what i know ... at least i don't heard about any sells of that story
<kire56> it was pretty good
<agentX> obione: did you read the story?%
<kire56> no; just kidding
<agentX> eh
<agentX> was talking to oby
<obany> i read it some time ago .. and it ain't bad for what i remember
<kire56> oh yeah sorry
<agentX> ok
<agentX> cool
<agentX> now its too late but it would have been cool to see it on a movie
<agentY> yeah ending contact....dream etc.
<agentY> incorporated...perhaps zetas told her to make company?
<agentY> who published her book?.
<agentX> i dunno
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<agentX> but she has a compoanyu
<agentX> under Troubled TImes Inc.
<agentY> humm...smells like dicky hoaxland has gotten involved??
<agentY> nancy and her nefarious activities...
<agentY> hehehe.
<obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/nonproft/home.htm
<agentY> nancy hangs outside highschool buying kids beer i heard...get em drunk.
<agentY> hehehe
<kire56> so what is the mos "nefarious" thing that you could say about Nancy?
<kire56> I guess the beer thing?
<agentY> i would need time to make up something  good.
<agentY> her son sells domes u know?
<agentY> hehehe
<agentY> just sounds funny
<kire56> I had no idea!
<agentY> u didn't? oh...she talked about on a zt chat.
<Sapphire> slidelock?
<agentY> eh
<obany> yes, that one
<kire56> when is the next zt chat session?
<agentY> that balloon guy landed in australia i think
<Jeremy> kire56: Sat 10:30pm or later UTC
<agentY> freax is in australia. ....he shoulda bought gun and shot it down.
<agentY> hehehe
<kire56> thanks jeremy
<agentY> ran out to crash site, yelling about zetas. and px.
<obany> kire56: next session, saturday at 22:00 UTC
<Jeremy> agentY: you would of shot it down :)
<agentY> Jeremy damn right
<agentY> hehehej.k
<agentY> how bout hot air balloon in shape of greys head??
<obany> :)
<agentY> or with map of area51 on it.
<kire56> good idea
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<agentY> yeah big map to area51, and fly it over lasvegas
<agentY> ok .
<Jeremy> I saw some silly putty (in a clothing shop) yesterday that came in case that looked remarkably like a Grey's head
<agentY> oh
<obany> bye Jeremey ect.
<Jeremy> You can bounce the putty, if you shape it in to a ball
<Jeremy> bye obany
<agentY> y would they sell putty at clothing shop!! u r lying aren't you!! u r hiding something!
<agentY> u r a mib spreading disinfo.
<kire56> you can get it out of you clothes with wd 40
<agentY> military industrial disinformation complex!!!!!!!!!.
<Jeremy> No, they sell accessories in this clothing shop too: travel irons, pocket knives, games, etc
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<agentY> ufo merchandise. ..
<agentY> hehe
<agentY> wd40 does it all.
<agentY> if only i could drink it. i would b a happy man.
<kire56> that and duct tape
<agentY> macgyver could have continued new shows for another 5 years if he had some wd40.
<kire56> I think that you  could drink it but just once.
<agentY> key word being 'you'
<agentY> hehe
<kire56> wd 40 for sale get you ice cold...
<kire56> I mean your
<agentY> wd stands for... 40 means...??????
<kire56> good point
<agentY> get you ice cold = drink it and die, and goto room temp.
<agentY> room temp in antarctica is ice cold at the least.
<agentY> err most.
<agentY> 40 might be ...number of carbon atoms?
<kire56> now you've got me wondering
<agentY> humm...i will add 1 carbon atom to formula...and market wd-41
<agentY> hehehe
<kire56> I bought a case for after the shift!
<kire56> I did it just now (it's All on the internet)
<agentY> oh hehehe
<agentY> WD-40 literally stands for Water Displacement, 40th attempt
<kire56> hmmm
<Sapphire> Anyone have any info concerning Nancy/ZetaTalk pre-1995?
<kire56> a sort of bio of Nancy would be interesting
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<Sapphire> bio of sorts: www.skepticalmind.com/nancy.html
<kire56> I will take a look-see; thanks
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<Sapphire> seen sapphire
<FunBot> Looking for yourself, eh Sapphire?
<agentX> haaha
<agentX> saphire
<agentX> nice try :P
<Sapphire> i lost myself temporarily
<agentX> eh
<agentX> who is doing all thoses pages
<agentX> on www.zetatalk
<Sapphire> Nancy, mostly
<agentX> "So, I had a visitation from Pumpkin heads (the big guys, see Zeta Types in Worlds) and they told me that when I went into my office I'd find the MUFON mags turned face down, not up as usual, and that would be my sign
<Sapphire> tt-watch
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<Jeremy> hello natas
<natas> hi
<natas> anyone seen X yet?
<agentX> first time
<agentX> i see somes pics of nancy
<agentX> http://www.skepticalmind.com/nancy_at_home.htm
<natas> ?
<Jeremy> nobody here
<agentX> have you seen the pics of nancy
<agentX> jerry
<Jeremy> jerry?
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<agentX> yeah
<agentX> jeremey
<Jeremy> yes I have seen various pics of nancy
<agentX> do you think she look credible
<agentX> funny her son is smaller than his dad
<Jeremy> she looks fine I guess
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<agentX> hey kotabatu
<kota> sup
<agentX> nothing pretty much
<agentX> was looking at somes nancy's pics
<agentX> http://www.skepticalmind.com/nancy_at_home.htm
<kota> yeah slow here
<kota> k
<kota> sto etta ta koi. tovarish?
<kota> nice pics thought maybe u spoke russian
<agentX> no sorry
<agentX> althought maybe you could translate
<agentX> if something might interest us ?
<kota> only kitchen russian for me
<agentY> nancy's previous address:   Bellvue Mental Hospital,  142 Cuckoo Lane, ...
<agentY> :)
<kota> you crack me up
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<kota> who's is 1313 mockingbird lane?
<kota> herman munster
<kota> has red been round today
<kota> agent x, now known as agent px later dude keep it in the road
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<Sapphire> what is the most active time/day in this channel?
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<Motivez> hai
<Sapphire> hi
<Motivez> What is teh up
<Sapphire> wondering what the most active time/day in this channel is
<Motivez> I don't know.
<Motivez> Are you a believer?
<Sapphire> zetatalk?
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<Motivez> Yeah
<Sapphire> no
<Motivez> zetatalk, planet x coming to kill us next year
<Motivez> etc
<Motivez> No?
<Sapphire> no
<Motivez> ommagawd a sane person
<Motivez> =D
<Motivez> Nice to meet you etc.
<Sapphire> www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html
<Sapphire> my site
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<Motivez> Ahh
<Motivez> I've read it.
<Motivez> I wish I had a vhost for IRC from your domain ;)
<Sapphire> ??
<Motivez> Vhost
<Motivez> You know
<Motivez> Virtual host? :P
<Motivez> So when you IRC, you'd show up as
<Motivez> Nickname!ident@whatever.skepticalmind.com
<Sapphire> oh, ok.  I don't know what that would accomplish
<Motivez> Nothing, just pure vanity
<Motivez> :P
<Sapphire> i'm wondering if you have any info on Nancy/ZetaTalk pre-1995
<Motivez> No idea
<Motivez> I'm just recently getting into this whole thing
<Motivez> not even really 'getting into'
<Motivez> More like laughing at the constant inaccuracy and changing of facts
<Sapphire> oh.  I believe the "key" is Nancy's history prior to 1995.
<agentPX> Sapphire: come saturday
<Sapphire> Web archives just barely miss her first website
<Sapphire> yes..her movement is now dropping off it seems
<agentPX> it will drop more
<agentPX> after next march
<agentPX> when (nothing) will occurs
<Sapphire> the suspense is incredible...what will she do when nothing occurs
<Motivez> I already know
<Sapphire> heaven's gate perhaps
<Motivez> Clearly, the "Council of Worlds" polled our souls, and our souls decided to avert the disaster
<Motivez> ..
<Sapphire> string it along until 2012
<Sapphire> yes i thought of that
<Sapphire> then set new date of 2012
<Sapphire> sell more books in meantime
<Sapphire> perhaps Hazlewood will carry it on..
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<natas> OK dudes WHERE is this planet X thing?
<Motivez> natas
<natas> yo
<Motivez> It's in the imagination of a 50 year old lady named Nancy
<Motivez> overactive imaginination I might add
<natas> Yes, I am looking at that possibility
<Motivez> lol
<natas> and dont eat catfood or whatever they do
<natas> dont hug trees and aint been abducted....YET
<natas> whadda you guys reckon
<Sapphire> ZetaTalk is extreme "left" in U.S. political terms
<natas> is it happening or NOT
<Motivez> natas
<Motivez> No
<natas> so FBI is gonna pay them a visit huh
<Sapphire> i think NOT happening
<Motivez> It's not.
<Motivez> This whole thing
<Motivez> was supposed to be easily viewable by the "naked eye" by mid-2002
<Motivez> apparently, naked eye meant "observatory grade telescopes"
<natas> Yes, I have also spotted that
<Motivez> And now
<natas> no contact so far
<Motivez> It's July...
<Motivez> Mid 2002 = June
<natas> Yes
<agentPX> Sapphire: come back next saturday, there is each week a discussion :)
<natas> so where is it
<agentPX> Sapphire did you get any info about Nancy near 1995 ?
<Sapphire> agentPX : yes I have these recorded on my site.  I went by different name
<natas> most people are NOT dumb, if you give the coords, we will find it, if it is there
<agentPX> and by the way she has already flop herself.. remember Hale-Bopp ?
<Sapphire> Nancy started on Michael Lindeman's chat group
<Sapphire> her site was hosted under sub-directory of another domain
<Sapphire> not zetatalk.com
<natas> so are ZT a "cult" then?
<Sapphire> but web archives don't quite get back this far
<Sapphire> a good segment of it is a cult
<Sapphire> troubled times inc. board members for example
<natas> ok, is this not dangerous for the general public
<Motivez> I already know of two people
<Sapphire> yes, dangerous
<natas> like inventing new ways to die, etc
<Motivez> who are planning to track down Mark hazlewood and beat his ass if it doesn't happen
<natas> who is Mark Hazelwood
<Motivez> Some idiot who stole all the zetatalk info
<Motivez> published a book and is now selling it
<natas> is he nuts as well...lol
<Sapphire> i think hazlewood is out for $ only
<Sapphire> he doesn't actually believe
<natas> well, unfortunately, so many people today are...its a real strange way to earn a living
<natas> does ANYBODY here belive
<Motivez> You'll meet some pl who do
<Motivez> ppl*
<Motivez> HBO
<Motivez> And some others
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<Sapphire> Obany does (Gerard Zwaan) but he left about an hour ago
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<FunBot> [IQx] mooooo
<IQx> Moo :)
<IQx> Hya All
<Motivez> Hai.
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<Sapphire> Hello
<Motivez> Maybe IQx does
<Motivez> ask him/her/it
<IQx> hows it going
<IQx> it*
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<Motivez> Hi
<IQx> im FunButts brother
<Motivez> We're discussing the inaccuracies and such of zeta talk.
<IQx> Oh, how long have you studied it ?
<Motivez> Not very long
<Motivez> I don't like to waste too much time on fear mongering websites normally, but this topic interests me :)
<Motivez> I talked to 2 or 3 people yesterday who were very recent "full blown believers" who don't believe anymore for the same reasons I don't
<Motivez> Are you a believer, IQx?
<IQx> possibly
<Motivez> What do you think of the whole
<IQx> but tell me how long were you involved with the whole ZT (ZetaTalk) theory ?
<Motivez> It'll be viewable by the naked eye by mid-2002
<IQx> my opinion should be of no interest to any subject
<Motivez> Then all of a sudden, naked eye meant observatory grade telescopes, then with computers
<IQx> Judgements should be made on your own, dont let others influence you
<Motivez> I've made my opinion
<IQx> Well, thats for your concideration
<Motivez> However I don't see a reason why I shouldn't get input from others with differing opinions
<Motivez> Unless the person with the differing opinion doesn't believe enough to defend, back up, and support their opinion
<IQx> well, because those will influence YOUR judgement of the whole case
<Motivez> Not really
<Motivez> Nancy herself made the quote that really "clinched it" for me.
<IQx> imagine this, a 99 percentile of believers, and non the rest.. you would be influenced into it for a fact
<Motivez> No
<Motivez> I've gone to several of the IRC chats
<Motivez> Where they kicked and banned other people for merely asking simple questions
<Motivez> But that didn't influence me
<IQx> How much of ZT have you read ?
<Motivez> Not alot, because I know it's hogwash
<IQx> well, then there goes your opinion
<IQx> Go on with life, continue on
<Motivez> I enjoy having debates on the subject
<IQx> How can you debate it when you know nothing about it ?
<Motivez> So it'll be a one sided debate
<Motivez> I'm more interested in hearing why other people think it's going to happen
<IQx> Enjoying debates on subjects that you know little of makes you look ignorant in eyes of those who understand it
<Motivez> When there is so much data out there that says it's a farse
<IQx> well, thats your mistake
<Motivez> It's not a mistake at all
<IQx> the way people perceive and comprehend the given information may very well be not proper
<Motivez> You may see it as one, that doesn't mean it is.
<IQx> one example are the global religions these days
<Motivez> And I really could care less about what other people think about me, I'm not here to put myself on display, I'm here to have conversation about the issues that this chatroom was designed for
<IQx> so if you dont take my advice for concideration, "only because you say so doesnt make it so" why bother to even ask Motivez ?
<Motivez> Because it interests me
<IQx> You are not judged Motivez, you ask questions, I give you advice
<Motivez> But I imagine that's not enough for you
<IQx> If it interests you, then go read about it more
<Motivez> I think there is quite a big difference between giving advice and stating your opinions
<IQx> And not argue with us :)
<Motivez> Well, that's another thing
<Motivez> I enjoy live chat.
<IQx> Perhaps my english isnt so good.
<Motivez> Perhaps, but I doubt that's the case
<IQx> well, you doubt more than you should
<IQx> openmindness is what you must have here
<Motivez> And I am quite open minded
<IQx> or all else will fail, as you simply wish to think in one way and do not see the other side of the story
<Motivez> However, I've yet to see anyone say anything that would even begin to sway me in the opposite direction
<IQx> alright, then go on to the website and read
<IQx> quit asking for our opinions
<IQx> Ofcourse, we never should influence you
<Motivez> I believe I already told you why I am here and not reading the website, right?
<IQx> Look at the channel name, what is it ?
<Motivez> lol, don't get into technicalities with me ok?
<IQx> Motivez: well, i am asking you to read it and not bother us for while you know little about the subject
<IQx> Enough, you are being very ignorant about this, have others to argue with you about the case
<IQx> Last suggestion, go and read and judge on your own
<Motivez> lol
<IQx> Good Luck :)
<Motivez> I've read enough.
<Motivez> It's funny, one of the ops here yesterday (who is no longer a believer)
<Motivez> Told me I'd meet up with someone like you
<Sapphire> what was the ops name?
<Motivez> So scared of backing up what you believe in that you push aside any conversation or person that doesn't conform with what you believe
<IQx> Why must you think I am a believer ?
<Motivez> Clearly your beliefs in this must not have very well grown roots if you can't have a simple conversation
<IQx> You make judgements quicker than you think, and then ask of others not to make opinions of you
<Motivez> You'd rather turn it around and ignore the subject that I brought up, and go after me saying "I dont know enough"
<IQx> Indeed, you know very little of this
<IQx> You argue the 'sciences' that you know almost nothing of
<Motivez> I know enough to spot out the inaccuracy and double talk from Nancy herself
<Motivez> And that's where the heart of my disbelief in this stems from, Nancy.
<IQx> You speak of words brough up by others
<Motivez> No, actually I speak of what I've read Nancy herself say
<IQx> How can you notice her mistakes and quote (and i underline quote) others when you dont even know why and where the subject was debated
<Motivez> (NancyL) ZT: Attempts are being made to convince the American public that viewing can occurs as early as July, but this is a KNOWN FALSEHOOD.
<Motivez> ^^^
<Motivez> See that quote?
<Motivez> That's from one of the IRC sessions
<IQx> You dont visit the IRC Sessions, you dont participate in Google groups, you havent commited yourself of reading a few hundred pages just for the sake of knowing the general and then come here and act smart
<Motivez> er, maybe you haven't seen me at the IRC sessions
<Motivez> I don't bother to say anything because of people like you
<Motivez> You don't enjoy conversation with people who don't believe.
<IQx> No, nancy in fact DID state that by "Mid-Summer of 2002" viewing should occur
<IQx> Motivez: hows so ?
<Motivez> Actually a Zeta said that
<Motivez> Not Nancy
<Motivez> Unless they're one in the same
<IQx> Motivez: I am one of the few here who is actually on either side
<Motivez> Well, you sure don't show it at all.
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<IQx> Must I be so quick on my judgements ?
<IQx> HBO: hya :)
<Motivez> Spouting garble about go read this, go read that, you don't know enough to have the pleasure of speaking with me, blah blah blah..
<HBO> Hey IQ, long time
<Motivez> That's what I get from you
<IQx> Well, enough, garbage out
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<Motivez> I don't understand why you can't just answer my question, you divert the issue totally
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<IQx> Give some time to yourself to think/read, then come back and scream more at me
<IQx> 1) Questions are answered only when you know the background of the Issue
<HBO> Motivez: are you still on the same harp?
<IQx> 2) We are tired here @ #Troubled_Times of people who talk about the ZetaTalk matter, go to #ZetaTalk
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<IQx> 3) Your arguments are already done discussing, go read the Google Boards, your answers will be answered
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<IQx> Angelic: :) Have you motivated Motivez to attack us ?
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<HBO> IQx: new site is BEaUTIFUL dude!
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<IQx> lol, I havent even finished it
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<IQx> What is he doing ?
<Angelic> motivez?
<IQx> its not even moderated, hehe
<IQx> Angelic: yes
<HBO> I know, but the layout is killer
<and-newsgroups> Oh, you unmoderated it.
<IQx> HBO: Thank you
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<Motivez> Like I said
<Angelic> wb :)
<Motivez> You'd rather just be a channel nazi
<IQx> Alright guys
<IQx> Deal with this one
<IQx> I'll part :)
<Motivez> Yeah
<Motivez> bye
<IQx> peace and light to all
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<Motivez> You should be ashamed, btw.
<Angelic> well, I just joined the channel here so I don't know what's up so go ahead I'll just go make a sandwhich
<Motivez> Nothing is up
<Motivez> This ignorant idiot who can't back up his own opinions would rather be a channel nazi, and moderate anything that he doesn't agree with
<Motivez> Rather than have a conversation about it
<IQx[a]> Well, now you are offending me ?
<Motivez> If I were you I wouldn't take offense to a few bytes
<Motivez> Unless they hit a bit too close to home
<IQx[a]> Quite well, creates a such good message about you
<IQx[a]> Motivez: go take down my ISP like you told me of
<Motivez> Like I told you earlier, before you so rudely set mode: +nazi,
<IQx[a]> pool-162-83-130-77.ny5030.east.verizon.net
<IQx[a]> Enjoy
<Motivez> Nah, you undmoderated it.
<Motivez> No reason to.
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<IQx[a]> Angelic: unmoderate it in about 5 minutes
<IQx[a]> After he is done with fooling around
<IQx[a]> Cya All
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<HBO> don't be such a stranger IQ
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<agentPX> wow
<agentPX> that guy was sure a fucked up dude
<agentPX> what the hell is wrong with him
<agentPX> he try to be superior to everything or what
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<Angelic> sorry I was in the kitchen
<Motivez> I think he must have been beaten as a child
<Motivez> Now he uses his position as a channel op to excersize some imaginary power over people
<Angelic> well, forgive him, he's very young
<Motivez> Michel told me I'd meet up with someone like him
<Motivez> Too afraid of his own beliefs to have a conversation about them
<Angelic> yes hi motivez .. i am michel
<Motivez> ohh hi =0
<Motivez> I didn't recognize the name
<Motivez> :D
<Angelic> see, node is the same :)
<Motivez> What's his problem though?
<Motivez> I mean really I try to have a conversation about what his position is and he just flies off the handle
<Angelic> youth, confusion veiled by an overfocus on what he clings on to, the need to believe in nancy's work
<Angelic> in fact, nobody knows for certain what is going on
<Motivez> Yeah, that's why I like to talk with people who have differing opinions
<Angelic> so any expressed certainty and actions based thereon are in fact not 'based' at all
<Angelic> i understand
<Angelic> I've had a word-to-mouth with him some tim ago, too hehe and kicked him off.. he's under the impression though he is doing something good so it's ok in my opinion, being vengeful has in no means any use here, we're already as divided as can be.. a bit of understanding won't hurt at all will it?
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<Motivez> People like that just frustrate me.
<Motivez> I mean, the point of a 'chat room'
<Motivez> would be to 'chat'
<Michel> me too that's why I kicked him some time ago
<Motivez> With that attitude I think he should be kicked again
* Motivez sighs
<Michel> he was rude to me because he thought i was a newbie here, he did not recognize me because i used another name (angelic) and just because I had 'opposing' views on the whole nancy thing he went rude..
<Michel> btw. I use that name - angelic - because i have a chatchannel of myself called angelic.info and a site goes with that which is als mine but it's still under construction.
<Motivez> cool
<Michel> motivez did you mention this link last time? http://www.earth-today.com/Alt3movie-High.rm
<Michel> or was it Pott
<Motivez> Was me
<Michel> I read the whole site today
<Michel> is it yours?
<Motivez> Nope
<Motivez> Friend of mine showed it to me
<Motivez> It's a pretty long read, I don't have sound, so it's sorta hard to get used to since it's commentary mostly
<Michel> it doesn't seem to get much pageviews
<Michel> i see :)
<Michel> bleh
<Motivez> brb, getting a pepsi
<Michel> good site though, but some things aren't painting a complete picture, information is here and there not logical or is missing
<Michel> enjoy :)
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<Motivez> actually gonna fix some fodo
<Motivez> food *
<Motivez> bbiab =)
<Michel> fodo is nice :)
<Motivez> bakc
<Motivez> back
<Michel> ok
<Michel> me too
<Michel> motivez, you trust the 'greys'?
<Motivez> I'm not sure
<Motivez> Like I said I haven't read too much about the whole thing
<Michel> so, you think reading more will provide you with an answer?
<Motivez> Probably, but I like to focus on one thing at a time
<Motivez> :p
<Michel> I think that we are not able to make a real life choice to trust or not, unless it is based on faith alone or the absence of faith
<Michel> one learns more detail if focussed on one thing at a time :) indeed
<Motivez> brb, rebooting!
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<Michel> lol, he got lost
<agentPX> eh
<agentPX> http://www.angelic.info/
<agentPX> is your site ?
<agentPX> and why do you call yourself angelic.. isnt a female name?
<Michel> no is generic
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<agentPX> and for http://www.angelic.info/ ?
<Michel> angelique is more the name
<agentPX> wow long reboot motivez
<Michel> wb mot :)
<Michel> yes that is my site under construction, i don't have lots of time and when i do have time i don't always have the urge to go work at the site :)
<agentPX> ok i see :)
<Motivez> Thanks
<Michel> I'd like a free host without those nasty pop-up banners though lol
<agentPX> lol
<agentPX> well if you find some
<agentPX> tell me
<agentPX> i've been looking a lot for this
<agentPX> hehe
<Michel> :)
<Michel> got that will do yup
<Michel> a banner in the bottom i don't mind but 2 pop ups everytime i click a link is rather nasty
<agentPX> lollll
<agentPX> yep
<agentPX> trur
<agentPX> true
<agentPX> what was the name of the guy in here
<agentPX> that has give up everything in his life
<agentPX> job, wife, etc
<agentPX> because of PX's (coming)
<agentPX> je ne me souviens pas son nom
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<Michel> i don't know his name either :)
<Michel> maybe some free hosts here that qualify :) http://www.clickherefree.com/
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<PottM> Fuck
<PottM> I hate porn banners
<PottM> Especially the ones that put you in a loop.
<PottM> Close one window it opens another etc.
<Michel> you visiting pornsites again? ;)
<PottM> Hey now it's better than looking at Nancy.
<Michel> maybe that's her next step in becoming infamous? ;)
<PottM> Ewwww.
<PottM> Particle Shit - The kind of shit where you shit and there are tiny shit particles left over after you flush.
<PottM> The King Kong Shit - The kind of shit that rips your asshole beyond it's stretch limit and is too big to flush without breaking in half first.
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<PottM> The Atom Bomb Shit - The kind of shit that comes out so fast it makes a bang and often results in backsplash of toilet water.
<Michel> yeah, that list of shit-types is almost as extensive as zt's content
<PottM> LOL
<Michel> more funny though for non-scientists ;)
<PottM> ZT is not that extenisve at all.
<Michel> go try and read it in an hour :)
<Jenkins3d> Bad ZetaTalk
<Michel> bad bad zt
<PottM> Encyclpedia Britanica for just the "A" section has more information ;)
<Michel> you do know who sapphire is don't you?
<Jenkins3d> mislead me for far too long
<Jenkins3d> the gem or the person?
<Michel> the person in the channel
<PottM> Jenkins: Don't you find it rather interesting that Nancy's followers are stepping off her path?
<Michel> (Sapphire) is the man behind http://www.skepticalmind.com
<PottM> skepticalmind is alright.
<Michel> hehe
<PottM> It presents observations and not many assertions.
<Jenkins3d> Not really, shes has been making no sense latly and it's not intresting or suprising to me that it's happning
<Michel> http://www.skepticalmind.com , it's a short version of zt, with less clouds impairing one's vision ;)
<PottM> Shes probably running out of ideas. Her enigma has become so complex she can't say anything without contradicting something else.
<Motivez> hi hi
<Jenkins3d> And she's so wrong about George Bush
<Michel> I doubted her ever since she banned me back in 1997
<Michel> but I rejoined
<Jenkins3d> She's bashing him for all the wrong reasons
<Motivez> Hi Jenkins
<Jenkins3d> hello
<agentPX> why did she banned you in 97?
<agentPX> michelle
<Michel> wb motivez, fell asleep or being abducted or something out of the ordinary?
<PottM> Jenkins: I would suspect that Nancy probably had a rather difficult life and probably did not have many friends.
<Motivez> Nah, catching up on email and helping some people get some stuff set up
<Motivez> set up for the alien invasion next week
<Motivez> .....
<PottM> Her actions suggest attention and perhaps even profit motifs.
<Jenkins3d> I dont know...I mean some of the stuff is kinda weird and I just dont see how she's comeing up with it by herself
<Motivez> (that was a joke) ;p
<Michel> agentPX, she banned me with a fake zeta message on me saying MJ12 was paying me to "insert new leadership" and disrupt the list..
<Jenkins3d> I still shes communicating with somehting, but the something is not worth talking to
<agentPX> jenkins maybe she has help.. Troubled Times Inc. is registered by more than one person i beliee
<agentPX> beliebe
<agentPX> believe
<PottM> Michel: Now that is obviously falsehood.
<agentPX> mmm
<PottM> I would suspect that MJ12 is probably just a cover for something even deeper.
<Motivez> heh
<Michel> yes, the incredible thing was though everybody believed her
<Jenkins3d> I dont care..there is just too much stuff I have found to just think that shes talking to herself
<Motivez> Did you know that zetatalk.com is registered to a PO box on "Lieder Street"?
<PottM> It has not much significance except for perpeptual babblings and speculations about it.
<Michel> I got so pissed that I made myself look bad, made the matter even worse ofcourse but that was what she wanted. :)
<Motivez> -zetatalk.com-22- Administrative Contact:
<Motivez> -zetatalk.com-23- Lieder, Nancy (NL74) nancy@ZETATALK.COM
<Motivez> -zetatalk.com-24- Trouble Times
<PottM> Motivez: Indeed Lieder Street does exist.
<Motivez> -zetatalk.com-25- PO Box 78 (115 Lieder Street)
<Motivez> -zetatalk.com-26- North Freedom, WI 53951
<Motivez> -zetatalk.com-27- US
<Michel> yes she lived there
<Motivez> That's weird as all hell though
<Motivez> Last name Lieder, lives on Lieder Street?
<Michel> maybe her last name is fake
<Michel> based on the street
<Jenkins3d> her family might have lived there along time ago and they named it after them
<Michel> ;)
<PottM> I found it strikingly odd that another Nancy Lieder lives in the same State.
<Jenkins3d> happens alot
<Motivez> -zetatalk.com-28- (608) 522-4365
<Motivez> That's her phone # apparently
<PottM> Perhaps she stole the real Nancy's identity.
<PottM> It's hard to say but possible.
<Jenkins3d> check birth records
<Motivez> Someone call that # collect
<Motivez> I don't have long distance
<Motivez> ;p
<PottM> I've called it it's dead.
<Jenkins3d> and why would she steal someone elses name
<PottM> Jenkins: It's only a idea.
<Michel> back in 1997 she was ok actually, he rpersonality was a bit off, but as far as the zeta messages all was fine but nowadays she has gone all nasty and lies about things, deffo not sto as she likes to call it
<Michel> and what about this hiding pose?
<PottM> Michel: Don't you think it would be hard to keep up what shes doing without contradicting herself time and time again?
<Michel> not if the message would be true ;)
<agentPX> Michel: you forgot hale bopp in 95...
<PottM> Michel: There is probably enough information that she's losing her ability to draw her "facts" without dismissing others.
<agentPX> its was all wrong in her head even before 97 :)
<Jenkins3d> Shes not getting anything out of this, its probably causing her more trouble than she wants, she quit her job in CA and moved to the state she is in now...
* agentPX is gone
<PottM> However her greatest enemy is time.
<Jenkins3d> I dont think someone would intentionally do this
<PottM> We'll soon know her real colors probably even before the supposive PS.
<Michel> if you tell the truth you will never contradict yourself in such a way that you can't take the contradiction away as an error, in Nancy's case she is not error-ing, she is changing tidbits on the zt site
<PottM> She's trying to perfect =)
<Jenkins3d> humm, i did notice somehting a while ago on Zetatalk about Noah
<Michel> she is quite aware of what she is doing
<Jenkins3d> where the story changed
<Michel> gilgamesh?
<PottM> Unfortunatly the only perfection in nature is imperfection.
<Jenkins3d> Noah and his arc...gilgamesh is only a story about it
<Michel> many stories yes
<Michel> same concept
<Michel> concept important
<PottM> I would suspect her IRC sessions to become ever increasingly hostile.
<PottM> It's not just one person either but a general trend even amoung her hardest followers.
<Motivez> Pott did you see the conversation earlier with that IQx character?
<PottM> The day we see obany say "Ok Nancy i've had enough of your shit" then we know ZT is doomed ;)
<PottM> Motivez: What happened in the conversation?
<Michel> i think she is being manipulated herself and does not know what to do exactly.. on the one hand she ca't simply tell the membership that the zt messages have been possible diluted with lies and half-truths because she might have been in contact with sts type aliens.. on the other hand, the way it is going now she will face more and more resistance due to her own lies to cover up what is happening perhaps
<Motivez> Pott, he totally went off on me for trying to have a conversation with him about what he believed
<Motivez> Moderated the channel
<Motivez> Michel how old did you say he was?
<Michel> lol PottM, obany is the biggest devotee.. but then again, he is 31/32 and still lives at home and doesn't have a full time job
<Jenkins3d> sad...
<Michel> IQX? I don't know exactly, but Jurian knows, I think he is just under 20
<PottM> People like obany need serious help.
<Jenkins3d> Obany, not IQX
<PottM> Help getting back to reality that is.
<Motivez> Home with his parents?
<Motivez> heh
<Michel> obany is a very kind person though, I've met him in real life, he is realy ok, but very very very dependend on nancy and the zt thing and in need of the safety of home
<Michel> andhe's not dumb
<Jenkins3d> wait, nevermind
<Michel> just very insecure
<Motivez> How can you be over 30 and still live at home with parents without a full time job though?
<Michel> that can happen
<PottM> Michel: I don't doubt he's not a good person hes just being manipulated in a way no one should have to go through.
<Jenkins3d> psychological  issues i assume
<Michel> I know but you can't tell him that without forcing him, and forcing him wouldn't be the way to go
<Motivez> I don't know how with responsible parents though
<PottM> Michel: I agree. People should not be forced into anything.
<Michel> obany has been with zt and nancy before zt actually was officially erected as a website
<PottM> That is quite some time.
<Motivez> heh
<Motivez> I'd like to see one of these "channeling sessions"
<Michel> before that he has always been interested in ufos and such matters that is cool :)
<Motivez> On video tape
<PottM> I feel kinda sorry for him for wasting part of his life on nothing.
<Michel> who is channeling?
<Motivez> Well however these aliens communicate with Nancy
<Michel> well, pottM, we all waste a bit of our life
<Motivez> I was under the impression it was through some form of channeling?
<PottM> Michel: No doubt of that but is it worth devoting your time to be wasted.
<Michel> that is because we sometimes are pulled to something we think has some meaning to us and when you find out it has al been a great facade then you will also realize, even though yes you will have learned things thanks to it, that you have wasted some time on it :) it's normal
<PottM> Michel: For people like obany I suppose they cannot accept that they wasted their time.
<Michel> no, Nancy is in telepathic communication she says because the zetas have inplanted zetagenes into her brain to make her susceptible for their telepathy or something
<Motivez> lol
<Motivez> ..
<Jenkins3d> and there are closed minded people who ignore everything that questions their beleifs
<PottM> Well if she likes her head tampered with that will be happening soon enough.
<Motivez> Well, I'd consider telepathic communication "some form" of channeling
<Motivez> but
<Motivez> Probably not by the standard definition
<Michel> by the way, that would also make her more suceptible to these 'sts' zetas telepathy :)
* Motivez shrugs
<Motivez> I am guessing that
<PottM> I could imagine sts claiming to be sto.
<Motivez> Since we are so unadvanced compared to these aliens, we wouldn't be able to find some trace?
<Motivez> Of the implants or whatever
<PottM> I really think however sto shows it's self and does not have to be proclaimed but establishes through ones actions.
<Michel> imagine this, sto aliens indeed did have contact with nancy, and nancy indeed made zt to be filled with all these sto alien's messages, but the sts aliens saw it took off and thought well this ain't right, this does not fit in our agenda of having the humans enslaved by a fascist NWO regime.. so lets rape this zt site and insert our own slang into it.. ;; maybe?
<PottM> Someone just standing up and saying "I'm STO" does not make them that.
<Michel> PottM so true
<PottM> Their actions is what makes them that.
<PottM> As far as I am concerned Nancy is not doing anyone any favours but manipulating minds.
<Jenkins3d> well it is fun to read
<PottM> If I had children I sure as heck would not want them to viewing such material as ZT. I would not want my children fearing death.
<Michel> she is very adept at it
<Michel> manipulating
<Jenkins3d> I was always looking forward to the pole shift
<PottM> Well fearing death is normal rather fearing appending death.
<Michel> PottM, well, death isn't promoted as somethng to be feared on the zt site though
<Jenkins3d> but who really reads that stuff?  Most people get the your gonna die message and think it's hopeless
<PottM> Michel: However death is perhaps one of mans generalized greatest fears.
<PottM> Michel: Manipulation requires a basis to work from nothing better than fear.
<Jenkins3d> or money
<Michel> lets think.. nancy made this zt site to spread the word of the zetas that there will be a poleshift in 2003 so we can prepare for it/: what is in it for them? why do they care so much for us to survive? they are making many many hybrids, so they claim.. what is that for? if we won't survive there will be room for all these hybrids to live on earth.. hehe ;)
<PottM> I don't really see being handed evolution on a silver platter evolution.
<Michel> what?
<PottM> Well hybrids would be evolved.
<Michel> would they?
<Michel> created
<PottM> Essentially we would be undergoing a evolutionary leap.
<Michel> you think humans would mate with hybrids?
<PottM> I really don't think just being handed that is acceptable.
<Jenkins3d> lol...the flat chested, no hair hybrids
<Michel> with crooked teeth
<PottM> Michel: Regular humans would be segregated no doubt.
<Michel> big eyes
<Jenkins3d> Why wouldnt it be acceptable?
<Michel> who is talking acceptance? :) i wouldn't mind, maybe it's kinda kinky ;)
<PottM> I don't think being handed evolution is proper.
<PottM> It's something we need to do for ourselves.
<Jenkins3d> but there is no point in evolving if it can be totally skipped\
<PottM> There is so much more for us to learn that to be handed all the knowledge we would ever need defeats the purpose of life it's self.
<Michel> well, they are actually playing 'god' even though god himself was an extraterrestrial *lol*
<Jenkins3d> Who said they would be handed all the knowledge?
<PottM> Jenkins: The Zeta's would definately co-exist with Hybrids the Hybrids would definatly require the Zeta's technology to survive.
* PottM wonders about the peoples that want to serve themselves as well as others.
<Michel> anybody read this? http://www.earth-today.com/earth.htm
<Jenkins3d> well thats nancys Dream, i hope it doesn't happen becasue Hybrids would br freaky
<Jenkins3d> I would like a transformation though....
<PottM> Good God Michel now that is even worse than Nancy =)
<Michel> try and read it through :) gives a whole new tension to the word paranoid
<PottM> Michel: The things people come up with.
<Jenkins3d> damn..none in my state
<Michel> well pottm some truth in that site too
<Michel> I just feel it
<PottM> Maybe some but really how much.
<Michel> now that is truly the question
<Michel> one has to define that oneself
<Michel> which glasses do not distort? ;)
<PottM> I personally do not believe that any amount of words could ever describe the complete truth of things.
<Jenkins3d> makes you want to go insane
<PottM> I think the truth of things goes beyond our perception.
<Michel> well, one thing is truth, that we are being kept from discovering it
<Jenkins3d> What would happen if everything were known?
<PottM> I'm talking absolute truth here ;)
<PottM> No doubt that truth is out there but definatly fragmented.
<Jenkins3d> What would happen if all truth were know, every bit of information is known and there is nothing else to learn?
<PottM> Even if you put all those fragments together it would still be nothing compared to the truth of things beyond our perception.
<Michel> PottM, just when you are ever a bit bored: http://www.earth-today.com/ufolecture.htm
<PottM> Jenkins: Fortunatly infinity pervents that from happening.
<Jenkins3d> no it doesent
<Jenkins3d> there is existance, therefore there is only so much that can be possible
<PottM> Sure it does because it means there is an infinite number of possibilites therefore we would have to define an infinte number of possibilities to know all truth which is seemingly impossible.
<Jenkins3d> and only so much fact in the possibility
<PottM> Strange Universe we live in.
<Jenkins3d> There has to be a limit....numbers dont count
<PottM> Yet remarkable.
<PottM> I think the limit is out of our perceptable bounds.
<Michel> well, jimmy hendrix knew something ;) all along the watchtowers... even after death you are watched, controled, not free to go where you want.. wonder what is euforia got to do with it ;)
<PottM> We could consider there is no limit.
<PottM> Hence infinity.
<PottM> bbl
<Michel> :)
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<Jenkins3d> stupid compurter isnt quite right...i dont want to format and I dont want to install XP so im stuck
<Michel> microsoft sucks
<Jenkins3d> i have had windows xp for about 5 months now and it's just sitting there...like you know you want to install me, im rerally fun and no one will spy on you or mess with you
<Michel> you haven't got something to hide on your pc though ;)
<Jenkins3d> hey, I dont hack into thoes porn sites...other peoplr give me the passwords
<Jenkins3d> and I dont have any pirated microsoft software on here
<Michel> you don't?
<Michel> gates says that's true ;)
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<Michel> ?
<Jenkins3d4> Now my modem is messed up...i dont feal like getting my laptop out
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<Michel> :)
<Jenkins3d4> ha
<Michel> he was not doing nothing so :)
<Jenkins3d4> when I get disconected that screen name stays in here for a while
<Michel> trying to find a free webhost with no ads and more than 50 mb of space lol
<Michel> yes I know, I got that a couple of times, too
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<butch> anyone here?
<Jenkins3d> Whats the + mean?
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<Jenkins3d> beside the name?
<butch> not quite sure...
<butch> allows you to do stuff im sure...
<Jenkins3d> ok
<butch> it's in the help menu i think
<butch> lemmme see..
<Michel> well i am off to sleep bye
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<Motivez> hai.
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<Motivez> what what.
<Motivez> kapownt.
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