Session Start: Thu Jul 04 12:12:57 2002
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<obaway> hi
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<obany> sapphire mike vegas you ther e?
<Sapphire> yes
<obany> how are you doing?
<Sapphire> good so far
* obany too
<obany> anythhing you like to talk about ?
<Sapphire> just checking in to see if anything was going on around here today
<Sapphire> occupied with news...terror attack at El Al ticket counter at LAX
<obany> mmmmm when did that happen ?
<Sapphire> few minutes ago
<Sapphire> gunmen shot dead by El Al security agent
<obany> yes i see it on www.cnn.com
<Sapphire> actually 11:30 pacific time
<Sapphire> actually looks like an American did it now
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<obany> ah
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<Jeremy> hello obany, you just joined seconds after me
<obany> i didn't i was here before... but then i got disconnected, from the server .. and from the efnet and also my connection on my ISP but it connected again and now it's okay ..
<obany> anyway brb
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<Jeremy> wb obany
<obany> thnx
<Jeremy> hope you don't get thrown off suddenly
<Jeremy> Two people have been shot at LAX airport. I flew out of LAX a couple of weeks ago
<obany> nah .... i doubt so ..... anyway did you saw that ilustration that someone posted to the yahoogroups.com ?
<obany> yes, i read about it ....
<obany> El al
<Jeremy> what illustration?
<obany> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-welcome/message/2997
<obany> i will dcc it to you
<obany> if that's ok
<Jeremy> ok, thx
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<Maximum_D> hi people
<obany> hi
<Jeremy> cool, I'll print that out later ..
<Jeremy> HI Maximum_D
<Maximum_D> hi obany..hi jeremy
<Jeremy> are you completely new to this channel Maximum_D?
<obany> Jeremy: it's a good ilustration ... and if you read the email, feel free to send it to others  
<obany> Feel free to send it to whoever
<obany> you wish as a great way to get them to the website to decide for
<obany> themselves.
<Jeremy> obany: Yes I like it! It captures the essence of the message without appearing too threatening
<Jeremy> I designed my own Poleshift tee-shirt last year. An iron on transfer printed out from my computer
<Maximum_D> what jeremy..no..i am not new
<Maximum_D> =)
<Jeremy> Maximum_D: Are you reborn regular then? :)
<Jeremy> i.e. changed nickname
<Maximum_D> yeah..=) everyday jeremy..=)
<Maximum_D> ohh changing nickname..no..hee
<obany> sirgrim ?
<Jeremy> I'll have to guess who you used to be then :)
<obany> loitus?
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<Maximum_D> who..i used to be..=)
<Maximum_D> lol..just a normal guy..=)
<Maximum_D> but why you want to guess jeremy?
<Jeremy> curious .. I'm too curious I suppose
<obany> cruithne?
<Jeremy> It saves me having to ask you all the usual questions
<obany> red?
<Maximum_D> lol
<Maximum_D> what usuall questions?..haha where you live..things like that?
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<Jeremy> How you found ZT, do you seriously accept pole shift scenario, etc?
<butch> hello
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<Jeremy> hi butch
<Maximum_D> well i accept can happen
<Maximum_D> i mean..our world is little..compared to the universe
<Maximum_D> so everycan happen isn't
<Maximum_D> everything
<Maximum_D> zt..i found some years ago
<Jeremy> right
<Maximum_D> at least 3 or 4
<Maximum_D> when was begginning
<Jeremy> 1995
<Maximum_D> when..was the nancy showa with rense..
<Maximum_D> shows
<Jeremy> 1997 and 1998 (I think)
<Maximum_D> yep
<Maximum_D> that's when i found the info
<obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/media.htm
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<obany> and i just see that she will be on tv the 28th of July
<Maximum_D> yep..that's where the shows are
<Maximum_D> what..on tv?
<Maximum_D> i dind't know that
<obany> yes
<obany> i just saw it on that media page
<Jeremy> Nancy is appearing on TV?
<Jeremy> I'll have to check ZT...
<Maximum_D> what channel?
<obany> http://www.crosswynd.com/outthere.htm
<obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/media.htm
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<Jeremy> obany do you recall me telling you about the dream I had a few days ago
<Maximum_D> well i dream a lot jeremy..=)
<obany> no.... about what did you dream ?
<Jeremy> sweet dreams hopefully Maximum_D :)
<Maximum_D> well not so sweet
<Jeremy> obany: I dreamt watching a CNN newscaster mention ZetaTalk
<Maximum_D> wish i had those..=)
<Jeremy> obany: and I remember him saying it in a tone as if accusations of some sort against ZT were being discussed by the newsreader
<obany> mmmmmm
<Maximum_D> mmm..well just a dream=P
<Jeremy> yeah .. it may be just a dream but who knows if it's hint of things to come
<Maximum_D> well jeremy..who knows..=)
<obany> that some how you feel more talk about it in the media etc..
<Jeremy> shares have hit rock bottom now as you probably know
<Maximum_D> well yeah..
<Maximum_D> well anyway it's hard to sustain a good economy for...40 years..=P
<butch> playing on tv station in vegas and arizona...wonder if those stations have some sort of streaming video??
<Maximum_D> mm....well we have to check out..if they are small..i don't think so
<butch> probably...:(
<Maximum_D> but maybe somebody from there can tape it and then pass it on real audio
<Sapphire> which station in vegas, i could tape it
<Maximum_D> or give it in a site..whatever
<obany> i see on the page that it can be ordered
<obany> the tape
<Maximum_D> ordered..lol..pay..lol
<obany> for some sites it will be better if they use like paypal or so ...
<Maximum_D> well jeremy..so any ufo encounters?...justa question
<butch> kyrk tv
<Sapphire> i'll check it out in a second
<butch> channel 35
<butch> kpvm channel 41 pahrump, nv.
<Maximum_D> but it will be an interview..mm or..what?
<Maximum_D> i live in mexico.=(
<Jeremy> Maximum_D: No, I haven't seen any UFOs recently, though I think worlwide activity is supposed to be increasing
<Maximum_D> well...i have see many..=)
<Jeremy> Maximum_D: any close up views of UFOs?
<Maximum_D> yes
<Maximum_D> 300 mts from me..fround level
<Maximum_D> ground level
<Maximum_D> about that
<Jeremy> was it a silvery type of object?
<Maximum_D> nop..light..was at night
<butch> bbl
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<Jeremy> Did you sense anything peculiar that led you to believe it was a UFO?
<Maximum_D> ohh..any peculiar..yes..many things..=)
<Maximum_D> after that i started to dream weird stuff
<Maximum_D> mm..have some visitations
<Maximum_D> some good..some others nop
<Jeremy> did this all occur before you found ZT?
<Maximum_D> nop after it..well if it may occur..could be but dind't notice or remember
<Jeremy> Hi yahbokravitz
<Maximum_D> it's a long story really
<Jeremy> is that you? :)
<Maximum_D> ?? who me?
<Jeremy> yeah
<Jeremy> you post on tt-watch..
<Maximum_D> nop..i am not yahbokravitz..=)
<Maximum_D> nop i don't post on tt-watch.=)
<Jeremy> do you know who I am referring to?
<Maximum_D> nop
<Jeremy> ok :)
<Maximum_D> =)
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<Maximum_D> i live in mexico jeremy..=)
<Jeremy> right ... the UFO captial of the world
<Maximum_D> well many say that..=)
<Jeremy> Do you have any comments about the probability of a pole shift next year?
<Maximum_D> well..comments..yeash..first..something really is going on
<Maximum_D> i mean weather chaging..
<Jeremy> Everyone around the world is saying that now. No denying it
<Maximum_D> yep
<Jeremy> But many sceptics of ZT are reluctant to accept an extrasolar planet could be the underlying cause of it all
<Maximum_D> i mean..something is going on..i don't know if it will be a pole shift..or everything but something is up to
<Maximum_D> well i mean why not..the universe is really big
<Maximum_D> we don't know how really our own solar system works fully
<Jeremy> And we haven't even left our solar system yet
<Maximum_D> lol yeah
<Maximum_D> well jeremy my experience is something..different..ufo's are real
<Maximum_D> that's what i know..they are real
<Jeremy> i agree
<Maximum_D> well i have some experience with that
<Maximum_D> well a lot..=)
<Maximum_D> some are good..some others nop..some just neutral
<Maximum_D> like us really
<Jeremy> so when you read about the STS/STO orientations in ZT it made sense to you?
<Maximum_D> well yes-.-in a way
<Sapphire> okay, i've been working on tuning in ch.35 in las vegas
<Sapphire> i should have the picture pretty good by the 28th
<Jeremy> Do you think PX is (or will be) covered up?
<Sapphire> so, i'll tape the nancy interview and provide in real media format
<Jeremy> Sapphire: thanks for you effort there Sapphire
<Maximum_D> i think it will be covered
<Maximum_D> really who wants to know in the world that sucha thing is going to pass
<Maximum_D> sometimes i think it's better not to know
<Maximum_D> than to know
<Sapphire> or perhaps windows media format would be better, either way it will be done
<Jeremy> Maximum_D: depends on your circumstances I suppose
<Jeremy> The reason why PX is easier to cover up than other phenomena is that it's effects can be attributed to other causes, and also that most people don't have the equipment or knowledge to search for it yet
<Maximum_D> well yes..but if you go on national tv..hey people we are screw up..lol..i think that's a bad idea
<Jeremy> at this point in time, yes
<Maximum_D> yeps..i mean...people would go creazy...riots....the law of the strong would be up and running
<Maximum_D> or...they would grab religion and say..stuff you know
<Maximum_D> like our God told about it..things like that
<Jeremy> hopefully Nancy can combine the message of 2003 with spirituality aspect of ZT: encouraging caring STO behaviour etc
<Maximum_D> well..i only believe in God..=)
<Jeremy> ok
<Maximum_D> and Jesus..=) that's all..=)
<Jeremy> but you are fascinated by this nonetheless?
<Maximum_D> well not fascinated..only a point of view..=) valid..=)
<Maximum_D> like mine or yours
<Maximum_D> =)
<Jeremy> ok :)
<Jeremy> do you remember watching the movie Terminator II?
<Maximum_D> yes
<Maximum_D> i remember the movie..why
<Jeremy> Sarah Connor is incarcerated for open warning of a future nuclear war
<Jeremy> And after the war machines would take over and hunt humans
<Jeremy> Of course with the pole shift scenario, it is not quite so far fetched in the sense there are signs that earth changes are in progress
<Jeremy> But understandably it is even harder for some to accept that earth will receive alien vistors in the future and will shift into 4th density
<Maximum_D> well
<Maximum_D> =) just hope we are good people..that's all..=)
<Jeremy> yeah
<Jeremy> The new Mel Gibson movies Signs will be released in August
<Jeremy> Feature scenes in England, a hotbed of crop circle activity
<Maximum_D> mmm well sound interesting
<Jeremy> Have there been many cataclysm documentaries, or disaster movies (involving asteroids etc) on Mexican television in recent times?
<Maximum_D> well they pass a lot the movie armageddon
<Maximum_D> like..every 3 weeks or so
<Jeremy> right
<Maximum_D> that or deep impact
<Jeremy> yeah, got that on video
<Jeremy> Myself and my friend have noticed an increasing trend of these types of films/documentaries on tv
<Maximum_D> well..who knows..=)
<Jeremy> Nice talking to you Maximum_D. I have to go now
<Jeremy> Goodnight..
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<Maximum_D> bye bye
<agentY> i'm in nyc. shitloads of ppl outside.
<agentY> neone here?
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<agentY> ok
<agentY> ._.-p/lld
<agentY> you'll see video of politicians, and empire state bldg. in background.
<agentY> my building is to the right of the crooks (politicians)
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<Pott> Sup
<Pott> Fists are harder than wood ;)
<agentX2> r they?
<agentX2> mine aren't.
<agentX2> mine r weak.
<agentX2> like a womans.
<agentX2> hehehe
<Pott> I punched the wood frame of the kitchen and put a knuckle dent in the wood hehe.
<Pott> Didn't even hurt my hand which usually happens LOL
<Pott> Just think about the damage I could do to Nancy's fat face
<agentX2> hehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!
<agentX2> crazy dog!
<agentX2> oops.
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<Pott> Although I don't think I would give her a beating if I met her.
<agentY> heh heh.  yer a better man then me!!
<agentY> i sure would!
<Pott> If I did meet her I would say.... You know who this is?
<Pott> When she says no... I would say... I am the Pott.
<agentY> heh heh heh
<Pott> You an evil lady evil evil evil
<Pott> Shame on you for manipulating all those good people
<Pott> "But i'm not manipulating anyone"
<Pott> Shut the fuck up bitch your manipulating me with what you just said there!
<agentY> hehehe
<agentY> i was on ufo
<agentY> crooks
<agentY> nancy art etc.
<agentY> some b.s. in las angeles, someone killed etc.
<agentY> someone on ufo asked me if it bothered me, i said no.
<Pott> People die daily.
<agentY> yeah thats what i told em.
<agentY> hell join ufo undernet
<Pott> What bothers me most is how many people have to die so that we can live our lives.
<Pott> Taking life so that other life can thrive is not acceptable.
<Pott> Atleast in my mind. I would suspect anyone with a conscience would comply with that.
<agentY> yeah. most ppl r stupid though
<agentY> so they wouldn't,
<agentY> i told the dumb bitch on ufo,  that millions die in africa and noone gives a shit.
<agentY> i said it don't bother me when ppl die, cause i got no control over it. so i don't worry about those things.
<Pott> We're too concerned about our own lives to worry about any others. Even if it means that others have to die so that our lives can continue in their glory.
<Pott> Bullshit. This world is selfish.
<Pott> We gotta live with it like that atleast for now.
<agentY> yu[/
<agentY> yup.
<agentY> worry about how u treat ppl.
<agentY> fuck how others treat em (at least if u got no control over them)
<Pott> However I believe that acknowledgement of our position is the first step towards change.
<Pott> Atleast I can see where we stand in this world.
<Pott> As great as it is portrayed there is always a faceless side.
<Pott> The war on terrorism is proving to be even more faceless than the attacks in which put it into motion.
<Pott> Disgusting.
<Pott> I wouldn't doubt it if the US allowed that attack to happen so that they can justify all the wonderful things they do around the world.
<agentY> yeh
<agentY> wouldn't surprise me either.
<agentY> sorry was away a bit.
<agentY> u.s. is crooks
<agentY> fuckers etc.
<agentY> some ppl , u can't reason with em.
<agentY> especially americans and war on 'terror'
<agentY> lotta ppl think u.s. = terrorists.
<agentY> but u.s. ppl r too hotheaded.
<Pott> Exactly you see they call one another terrorists.
<Pott> Ofcourse good ole US cannot be terrorist oriented.
<Pott> Bullshit. They have caused more pain and suffering than anyone has ever caused them.
<agentY> yup.
<agentY> americans cause their own problems, yet blame others.
<obany> hi
<agentY> yo
<agentY> #ufo was pissing me off, so i left it.
<agentY> lotta hotheaded ppl out there.
<agentY> on undernet i mean
<obany> ah ... i know there is also one on dalnet but very small .... not like the Efnet #ufo used to be or the ufo channel on the Undernet
<Pott> UFO on Undernet is pretty big
<agentY> hate that god bless america shit
<obany> haven't been there for some time, but there are enough folks in that channel for what i remember
<agentY> fuck it.
<agentY> assholes mostly
<Pott> Atleast an American can realize what it means to be American =)
<agentY> ??
<agentY> hotheaded?
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<obany> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
<obany> sleepy
<obany> bye goodnight
<obany> take care / have a good day
<agentY> ok
<agentY> :>
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<agentY> yoi
<agentY> yo
<Pott> Yes
<Pott> obany is really a transsexual?
<Pott> Logged on Angelic
<Maximum_D> what obbany?
<Pott> yeah
<Maximum_D> so obany is transexual?
<Pott> Dunno
<Pott> hehe
<agentY> my winky winky itches.
<agentY> if i scratch it...it will get hard.
<agentY> i will beat it into submission if it does.
<agentY> ok
<agentY> ,
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<neckbone> Hello?
<Pott> sup
<neckbone> nothing
<neckbone> i came to find out about that planet
<Maximum_D> what neck?
<Pott> Well it simply ain't there.
<neckbone> you dont think it is?
<Pott> The whole notion is to generate interest which equates to cash.
<neckbone> yeah i notice they are all selling books
<Maximum_D> well where are the bucks..i want some.hahaa
<Pott> Shit if I said ok this Asteroid is gonna hit Earth then all these people would suddenly become interest even if it was completely false.
<neckbone> they make it seem real though
<Pott> neckbone: Look at it all objectively and understand what the major end result is. Which is money.
<Maximum_D> well i want some money
<Maximum_D> lolo
<neckbone> they probably need money to build all those dome houses
<Pott> We all know money is a driving factor. People will exploit their own mother for money.
<neckbone> i know
<Maximum_D> well everything from a point of view is about money
<Maximum_D> war..economics
<neckbone> do u believe in god?
<Pott> Yeah.
<Maximum_D> i believe in God too
<neckbone> christian god?
<Pott> However I believe that God is the Universe it's self.
<Pott> Our solar system is simply a cell of the body.
<neckbone> a body of what
<Pott> A body of all possibility.
<Pott> I've done much philosophical endulgence in all this.
<neckbone> what
<neckbone> thats not a real thing right
<neckbone> a body of all possibility
<neckbone> that would be like a thought wouldnt it
<Pott> Now were thinking ;)
<neckbone> it doesnt make sense though
<neckbone> look at all the shit thats everywhere that we made
<neckbone> how can that be part of a thought
<Pott> It's not supposed to. A man would go mad before he even stratched the surface of God's nature.
<neckbone> but god would need to be a thing
<Pott> God is simply everything and all.
<Pott> It is a thing however. A singular force that is the force of a Universe.
<Pott> Everything else is fragments of the master body.
<neckbone> can the force think
<neckbone> ?
<Pott> We're all part of it essentially it is thought.
<neckbone> so when u die then what
<Pott> Consider this if we were to go 65 million light years from this planet and be able to look at the surface we would see the dinosaurs.
<neckbone> how do u figure
<Pott> Nothing is ever forgotten.
<neckbone> what happens when u die
<Pott> We turn from one form of energy to another.
<neckbone> meaning what?
<Pott> There is no death only life. Death is only transformation.
<neckbone> we turn to aliens at another place?
<neckbone> or light or what
<neckbone> bugs
<agentY> or boners??
<neckbone> lol
<Pott> The light is what we were.
<agentY> a big 5 foot 7 inch boner.
<Pott> I believe that in another life that light becomes intertwined with another life.
<neckbone> a boner is not its own thing
<agentY> mine is.
<neckbone> haha
<agentY> :>
<neckbone> something better than people?
<agentY> mine talks to me.
<neckbone> or still people
<agentY> when i'm lonely.
<agentY> mine enjoys being beaten.
<Pott> It's kinda like a rope. You have the rope which is all then there are smaller ropes twined together and those smaller ones are twined together from even smaller strands.
<agentY> but the smallest are individual electrons and quarks and it goes no further.
<agentY> my dick is like a rope.
<neckbone> why are u in this chat room?
<agentY> chicks swing on it.
<agentY> i have been here longer than u.
<Pott> The soul would represent the smaller ropes twined from individual strands.
<agentY> for at least 2 months now.
<neckbone> i meant pott
<Pott> An individual strand would be your life now.,
<agentY> oh.
<agentY> ok.
<agentY> hehehe.
<agentY> pardon me.
<neckbone> haha
<Pott> That definition seems to follow the superstring theory.
<neckbone> u need to be in the self love room agent
<agentY> oh. they were too conservative for me.
<agentY> so i come to mack on nancy. (NOT)
<neckbone> pott why are u in here
<Pott> Thats why I tend to lean towards the explination. The dynamics of it all is probably beyond any mans comprehension but the macroprocesses is not.
<neckbone> how old are u agent
<agentY> whats it to YOU!
<neckbone> just curious
<neckbone> geez
<agentY> 26.
<Pott> Not the explination that explination rather.
<agentY> superstring theory is much different than that?
<Pott> I just like to chat about the strange universe =)
<neckbone> is there an end of the world to it
<Pott> Also character assassinate Nancy Lieder.
<agentY> once we master quantum gravity we will build our own ufos and travel universe.
<neckbone> whos nancy
<agentY> she started zeta/ planet x / destruction of most life / dome houses.
<Pott> End of the world is a fable as the law of conservation of energy states matter cannot be created nor destroyed so the end is always the beginning.
<neckbone> oh
<neckbone> the earth can end though
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<agentX2> damn connection.
<Pott> As we know it yes but the energy present will not end
<agentX2> must be them terrorists.
<agentX2> energy is immorta
<agentX2> l
<neckbone> so then i am immortal?
<Pott> It all depends on your perception of things. If you look at it from an Earth point of view your restricted severly. If you look at things astronomically you will see a lot more.
<agentX2> no. but my cock is.
<neckbone> lol
<neckbone> well i live on earth so if it goes i am going with it
<neckbone> thats how i am seeing it
<agentX2> you = certain position of all atoms in brain etc.  
<agentX2> yeah we all would
<agentX2> except space shuttle folks
<agentX2> and iss.
<neckbone> iss?
<agentX2> space station.
<Pott> Maybe i'm crazy or think too much or maybe i'm just ahead of our time.
<agentX2> international
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<neckbone> oh
<agentX2> pott perhaps all 3 ?
<neckbone> they will run out of stuff up there
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<agentY> humm true... perhaps invent startrek replicators by then?
<Pott> agent: I would probably tend to lean towards that way.
<Pott> It's ok to be a little crazy but not kooky.
<neckbone> does nancy sell stuff
<agentY> <>_<>
<agentY> neckbone her son sells dome houses.
<Pott> neck: She sells a book and it's doing very well.
<neckbone> that fucked up then
<Pott> Her book is doing actually very well.
<agentY> she needs to feed herself
<neckbone> so a bunch of fools are building domes
<Pott> Funny thing is i've seen a book with nearly twice as many pages but costs 3 times as less.
<neckbone> because of her
<Pott> So obviously her claim of "The cost to make it is why it costs so much" that bullshit.
<neckbone> do u know the band tool
<neckbone> ?
<Pott> Actually her book is selling so well Amazon.com ran out of copies to sell!
<Pott> She had a sales rank of just over 4000 which is really good considering there are millions of books to choose from.
<neckbone> how much is it
<Pott> $14.95
<Pott> Which is a absolute rip off.
<Pott> Shes just a raking in the cash.
<neckbone> it should be free
<Pott> Well considerably less than that.
<Pott> If she was not trying to make money that is.
<Pott> Shes a scam artist of the worst kind because she uses fear to entice her followers.
<neckbone> so i guess your not really worried about anything
<Pott> Fear should not be exploited by anyone I believe that is very weak.
<neckbone> christians do that too
<Pott> You see when you asked about death I didn't try to make you crawl to a corner I offered hope.
<neckbone> thats all there is
<Pott> I would never use fear to exploit anyone.
<Pott> brb need a smoke.
<neckbone> agent u still here
<Pott> Thats the major difference between me and Nancy.
<neckbone> why are u selling hope
<neckbone> for 14.95
<Pott> I'm not selling hope ;)
<neckbone> lol
<Pott> I simply try to inspire.
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<neckbone> i feel a little better
<Pott> To inspire involves hope, love and understanding.
<Pott> brb
<neckbone> agent?
<Pott> To exploit involves fear, hate and uncertainty.
<neckbone> where do they come up with that stuff though
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<Pott> I speak my mind and from my heart what can be more true than that?
<Pott> now i'll brb
<neckbone> ok
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<Maximum_D> hi angelic
<Angelic> hello
<Maximum_D> how are you..=)
<Angelic> I'm fine how are you?
<Maximum_D> doing ok
<Maximum_D> so you are op here?
<Angelic> Guess I am
<Angelic> hehe
<Maximum_D> haha lol
<Maximum_D> so how long been here in the room?
<Angelic> what do you mean by that? :)
<Maximum_D> i mean how much time been op here
<Angelic> since the beginning
<Maximum_D> ohh that's nice
<Maximum_D> so you know nancy..=)
<Angelic> Yes I do
<Maximum_D> ohh nice..=)
<Maximum_D> so..any new info?
<Angelic> new info is that Nancy claims Nibiru can't be seen even though it has been claimed at the ZT for a couple of years prior to the change inserted by herself that it would be visible from mid-2002 by amateur astronomers. Old is that no amateur astronomer has realy seen Nibiru at the given cooirdinates
<Maximum_D> mm =(
<Angelic> why a sad face?
<Maximum_D> wel not sad face really..so..would be hard to see niburu then
<Pott> Angelic: new info is that Nancy's claims are out to lunch.
<Pott> Angelic: new info is that Nancy's book actually sold out on Amazon.com.
<Pott> Angelic: new info is that her enigma is beginning to fall apart.
<Pott> I don't know how anyone could put their trust and change their life through the portrayal of fear.
<Pott> I suppose people are very susceptable to that.
<Pott> Atleast some.
<Angelic> Pott, so true. You are aware of her situation as much as I am
<Maximum_D> what?
<Maximum_D> what do you mean angelic
<Angelic> regarding Pott's new info comments above
<Angelic> ^^^^
<Maximum_D> ohh..well that's a treue thing
<Maximum_D> true
<Maximum_D> well we will have to wait and see
<Angelic> that's what many have said
<Maximum_D> i say to see if this things are true or are soo false
<Angelic> mid-2002, nothing there, many are now either in doubt and confused or just changed their opinion about Nancy and ZT
<Angelic> I don't understand that because things have not happened
<Maximum_D> well i have only seen weather changes drastically but that's it
<Maximum_D> well and of course.is niburu comes by..it doesn't supouse toh ave some magnetic influences on the other planets not just earth?
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<Angelic> there have been perturbations and heating of some moons out there
<Angelic> moons/satellites
<Maximum_D> okay..but a major magnetic influece?
<Angelic> This is the whole dilemma, we can't simply disect zt and see what is true and what is untrue because some things are happening as predicted and some things are not, but we know this after these things have started to happen. So, we can't say Nibiru isn't coming, we can't even say for sure that it is. But, if it IS coming in 2003 I do think it should be visible by now and it isn't and that is why I think Nibiru will come at a later year, maybe 2
<Maximum_D> maybe
<Pott> Considering the planet requires conditions to remain generally the same for millions of years for species to evolve I can only see a major event happening as such in the millions of years range.
<Pott> Nancy's proposal is much too short for equalibrium between change and evolution.
<Pott> What we do know is that the planet gets whacked with Asteroids and Comets periodically. I believe this to be the true nature of major changes.
<Pott> We only get hit every 30 million years or so.
<Pott> Which is enough time for evolution to take it's course.
<Pott> Furthermore Nancy's depiction of Antarctica's movements does not complement the 140,000 year old ice at it's greatest depths.
<Pott> Even if the ice was 100,000 years old it still would not.
<Angelic> how do you explain the piri r'eis map?
<Angelic> Pott busy ?
<Angelic> smoking pott?
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<Jenkins3d> anyone here?
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