Session Start: Sun Jul 07 12:41:09 2002
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<viking> he Gerard, alles goed?
<Spanky> as long as its not circling Uranus
<viking> ugh spank
<Freax> Spanky =P
<Jeremy> RayC: you made some interesting remarks earlier while I was on the phone. I expect your military training will stand you in good stead
<obany> ja hoor viking, alles is goed ..met mij. He gaat z'n gangetje :)
<Spanky> come to think of it, do jupiter/saturn or uranus/neptune have the same relationship as earth/dead twin
<Freax> german?
<obany> Dutch :)
<Freax> ahh
<viking> gelukkig. I won't stay long, got some balloons to blow up yet :)
<Freax> ;)
<Jurian> hehe
<viking> No sign of S7L by any chance?
<Clipper> Don't go there:-)
<viking> come and help Jurian... :)
<RayC> it has helped alot. plus I've got some good budies to help me:)
<Clipper> No
<Freax> hehehe
<Jeremy> RayC: I forget if you mentioned you were into astronomy. Do you own a scope?
<Jurian> hmm, viking, zal ik morgen ochtend sarah's kadootje geven? of 's avonds? :)
<viking> Wat lijkt je leuker?
<Jurian> kweenie :)
<Clipper> Hehehe
<viking> Je hoeft niet speciaal 's ochtends te komen hoor
<viking> Of je moet het willen
<Jurian> okeej, dan doen we 't 's avonds wel, kan ik langer uitslapen :-)
<viking> is goed :)
<Freax> can anyone settle my woes on what kind of brand of cpu i should be buying next after my athlon 1gig?
<Freax> intel or amd?
<obany> Jurian: slaapkop :P
<Jurian> seen antti
<FunBot> antti was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 12 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes ago.
<RayC>  Have an associate who owns a 10" reflector of his own design and Manufacture. He's an NMR physist but can't get him interested in anything. most of my optics are terrestial orientated.
<Freax> ive read that intel is more stable for server application
<Freax> s
<Freax> but amd is shitty
<Freax> RayC: he isnt interested in nude babes?
<RayC> my server is a sun... :)
<Freax> oooohhh
<Freax> sun boy
<Freax> coolies
<Freax> i hate them cause they cant play games
<Freax> and they are expensive
<viking> Ok, i can hear the balloons calling me...
<viking> have a good one
<Freax> if i was to buy a sun for a server id get an old sparc 5
<RayC> not when his wifes around. I always said give me her and gun I could take over the world :)
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<Freax> yeah ok balloon viking
<Spanky> ZT: intel and athlon are two very competitive companies engaged in what could be described as an arm-wrestle that does not end.  Will the issue of Intel Vs Athlon be decided before the poleshift?  I think not.
<RayC> get a sparc 10
<Freax> hehe
<Freax> well i hate amd because it isnt stable in agp related games
<RayC> there out of the sun service catalog and available cheap when you can find them.
<Freax> and the tempreature monitoring issue and the cooler crushing expensive chip issue
<Clipper> I have an AMD 559. I like it fine
<Freax> and the heatsink falling off issue
<Freax> and the psu issues
<RayC> get at least a sparc 10 model 40 (3,000-5000) depending on features and options.
<Freax> and the memory issues
<Freax> RayC: no way =P
<Jurian> I have an AMD 1 GHz, and it runs circles around stupid iNHEL cpu's
<sirgrim> http://www.wagd.com/gallery/index.php?currDir=./computers&pageType=image&image=el8network.jpg
<Freax> i have an amd 1ghz 1gig ddr ram crucial, tnt2 m64 32meg
<sirgrim> some of my servers
<Jurian> obviously, a sun would be nicer :)
<Spanky> ZT: however, the computers used by the zetas are a trillion times more powerful than the fastest supercomputer on earth.  These can record the thought of every intellegent lifeform that has existed since the big bang.  We are able to listen to music or use software from any planet without fear of copyright reprisals.  
<Freax> and plenty of IBM 7200rpm drives =)
<obany> spanky: doh
<Freax> hehe
<Freax> audiogalaxy on steroids!
<RayC> ok then get what you can afford and MAINTAIN post-ps
<Jeremy> Spany: Yeah, I'd like a SkyComputer :)
<Jurian> sirgrim: heh, seti@home huh? :p
<Jurian> you actually run that shit?
<obany> there is a cheap sun model/working station for what  i know
<sirgrim> not anymore
<Clipper> Ewww
<Freax> RayC: probably a 6510 maybe?
<Freax> hey seti is good
* Jurian wants to know what seti@home actually uses your PC for :)
<Clipper> Seti sucks
<Freax> something to crunch while it sits there bored to death
<Jurian> Freax: sure, it just hasn't got shit to do with SETI
<RayC> spanky... I don't think thats true as there are other lifeforms more advanced than the ZT ans they might take exceptiopn to a lower form reading and recording there thoughts...
<Freax> Jurian: bullshit what do you think the fucking institute is using aceribo time for?
<Spanky> ZT: Do we have holodecks? Yes, although the technology used for the same effect is simpler and less cumbersome.  This technology is more like your movie, the Matrix.
<Jurian> Freax: prove that it is actual seti data your seti@home client is crunching
<Freax> Jurian: and it is DSP processing ie conversion of analog signals to digital inorder to comb out the -170+ dbi signals and get a nice gaussian ie alien signal
<Freax> *possible*
<Freax> Jurian: will do
<Clipper> I think seti is a front, a moneymaker while they claim they are looking for "other life".
<RayC> spanky... :) is there a reason your talking in the third person? are you a Rapper?... :)
<Freax> Name: freax
<Freax> Data units completed: 101
<Freax> Total computer time: 1220 hr 29 min 04.8 sec
<Freax> Number of work units processed: 10
<Freax> Total CPU time: 4393744.808594
<Jurian> Freax: and how does that prove anything?
<Freax> just a second downloading new data =P
<Jurian> sure, it proves your pc is crunching packets
<Freax> indeed it is
<Jurian> who's to say it really is doing what you think it is?
<Clipper> Had a friend doing that. He dropped that in a hurry.
<Freax> but can you proove that rc5 is searching for keys too?
<Freax> no you cant
<Jurian> no
<Jurian> exactly my point
<Freax> so tick off seti i like it so shut up =P
<RayC> of course seti is a front I think we all agree that ET lifeforms have visited earth therefor the search is a hoax as the government already knows the exsist.
<Freax> it's a very sensetive area for me
<Clipper> Exactly
<Freax> specially seeing my 12foot dish out the back also doubles as a seti comb
<Spanky> ZT: the elite monitor the readership of Zetatalk quite frequently.  They use common packet-sniffing and port-scanning programs.  
<Jeremy> Live ZetaTalk is likely to continue after the shift. Live tt chat too?
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<Clipper> Via Ham radio maybe :-)
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<Freax> and i sure as hell dont see my FFTDSP crunching fucking ghost data!
<Jurian> would the fake zeta's please stfu? :p
<Freax> Jurian: good descision
<Jeremy> Clipper: yeah.. maybe with some Zeta assistance
<Clipper> Hopefully. yes
<obany> yeah spanky, hear hear
<Freax> but what about Spanky?
<Jurian> ugh
<Clipper> Hi Guys! :-)
<Jeremy> SPanky: I asked Nancy last night how elite knew about new geography (if you recall) and I think she indicated that the elite 'buy in' to ZT
<Freax> yes actually i have had a few open port scans come my way ever since i started irc =P
<RayC> well.. my group has formed a wireless LAN and we are experimenting with scatter communication techniques.
<Freax> RayC: scatter transmissions on 2.4ghz?
<Freax> RayC: dont think so buddy
<Clipper> Heard about that Ray
<Jurian> Freax: and how are port scans scary? :0
<RayC> the so called elite also have there own sources of info/misinfo.
<Jeremy> RayC: You have formed/belong to a survival group?
<Freax> Jurian: shrug =P
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<Jurian> I suppose we could go and do SSL IRC? :p
<Freax> Jurian: well open ports can solicit attacks if the software that has them open is insecure and dosent shadow them and if possible ip masqurading comes in handy in this situation =P
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<Freax> Jurian: well there was a program that used 128bit blowfish encryption for DCC chats =P
<obany> Jeremy: found it in the log "(NancyL) Jeremy, only to the extent they buy into ZetaTalk.
<obany> "
<RayC> no. if anyone recalls about two years ago i asked if there was anyone usiing or experimenting with infrared backscatter as a way of communication
<Jurian> I could set up an SSL tunnel to the irc server :p
<Jurian> still
<Freax> i wouldnt mind some packet sniffers going on in here =P
<Jurian> it'd be useless unless every client used it
<Freax> see what goes on behind all this bullshit front
<Jurian> nor me
<Freax> think ill be going to bed now
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<Freax> many things to do, gotta take down my antenna array =D
<Clipper> Night. Think I will get up now :-)
<Freax> im packing up the 12 footer too
<Freax> parabolic
<RayC> we progressed further along than we hoped (the advantage of so many engineers and ex-military0. We use infrared diode lasers and temoo pulse modulation and bounce off low lying clouds and water features.
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<Freax> ok catch ya's on the flip side
<Clipper> Cool ray
<Clipper> No pun intended
<RayC> yes i have a group.
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<Clipper> We are getting our 80 foot tower, but too busy to use it yet.
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<Spanky> use it to make an 80 foot dome
<Clipper> Hehehe
<Clipper> Nice idea:-)
<Jurian> heh, 80 foot, that's gonna attract some attention :p
<Clipper> I bet
* Jurian will just find a tree and build an antenna in it :p
<Jeremy> RayC: You have nothing to lose in my opinion, since the skills acquired and teamwork may be beneficial even if PX doesn't turn up next year. The only downside would be if you ploughed too much money into it, but most people so far haven't taken any dramatic steps yet
<Clipper> Already done that
<RayC> clipper.. Have you tried flying a long wire antenna from a kite or ballon. It works!
<Clipper> May try that
<Jurian> heh, a vertical would work
<Spanky> you will have the coolest pad of the aftertime
<Jurian> not sure a horizontal yagi would do well tho
<Clipper> We have taken dramatic steps.
<Jeremy> A good point ZT made last night, was that most believers of May 2003 are still living relatively ordinary lives, and are at least mentally prepared
<RayC> jeremy, your right. But I've been doing this since 1987 and I'm happy with the changes its wrought in me and my life :). so irreguardless of what happens I'M happy :)
<Clipper> If nothing happens Ray, we should all get together and trade skills :-)
<Spanky> or even better, make a tepee out of the bottom half of an abandoned cell phone tower
<Jeremy> hehe
<Clipper> Same here Ray.
<RayC> clipper, your my kinda gut :)
<RayC> gut=guy
<Clipper> gut? :-)
<RayC> hehehe
<Jeremy> :)
<Clipper> Hehehe ..... couldn't resist that one :-)
<Clipper> Well, have to get back to camp. We have turkeys, ducks, chickens and geese who probably want some food and water.
<Spanky> ZT:  For those who want to survive, they should take up goat hearding.  in the aftertime you will learn to live in harmony with goats, who will provide you with food and many other things :)
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<RayC> on the ballon thing. we used a surplus weather ballon and we've used a surplus parachute.
<Clipper> That is if the fox and wolves haven't already taken care of them for us.
<Jeremy> Clipper or anyone else, have you assembled a medical kit yet for the pole shift and aftertime? I have myself, but I may have overlooked some items
<obany> spanky: enough of that now
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<RayC> hmmm... fox taste like chicken...? :)
<Clipper> Yes Jeremy, but I did not do it, so don't know what's in it.
<Clipper> Did you know that Lynx is white meet?
<Jeremy> Clipper: Ok, thx
<Spanky> i heard that eating predatory animals are bad for your health.
<RayC> yes have made a kit. had the help of a doctor and a medical corpsman ( I'm also a Biomedical Engineer).
<Clipper> Bull
<Spanky> but rattlesnake is good.
<Jeremy> RayC: I'm impressed with your background Ray. You will definitely be sought after the pole shift :)
<Clipper> Boil the "hell" out of it first.
<RayC> predators have been known to carry more parasites (so cook well done).
<Clipper> Yes
<Spanky> there is probably enough poison in their bloodstream from them eating things they poisoned to use as an immune booster.  or to get high.
<RayC> advantage of being aan old shit... :)
<Spanky> but not to kill you
<obany> but for what i read huntil will only work in the first few months after the shift, it's not somehting that you should depend upon
<Clipper> Depends on where you live Obany.
<RayC> hunting should not be depended on. if your going to get meat use traps and snares they work better with less effort.
<Jurian> exactly
<Spanky> make jerky/ham/bacon out of what you hunt and it will last years
<Jurian> making a trap doesn't appear to be that difficult
<Clipper> Just bought over 300 dollars worth of #2's and 3"s and snares.
<Jurian> if you've got the right materials, that is
<obany> not for what i read Clipper, has to do with the climate change etc animals on the move etc.
<sirgrim> it isn't difficult at all jurian
<sirgrim> you don't really need materials for any of 'em, i have over 20 different trap designs
<sirgrim> maybe just a stick and a rock
<Jeremy> obany: good point. Animal populations will be very volatile and will be as hungry as survivors too. Need to stock plenty of rations as well as seeds, hydroponic equipment
<Spanky> raising rabbits was suggested on the TT site
<Jurian> well, rope / metal wire might help :p
<Clipper> Yep, the animals will come to us. Alaska has too many animals to run out. with proper care.
<sirgrim> the animals will rebound fairly quickly, fish first though
<Jeremy> oceans will be lush, per ZT
<sirgrim> yea
<Clipper> We have three rabbits as breeders already. One ten pound female can produce over 100 pounds of meat in one year.
<Spanky> quickly if that's how you think of 20 years
<obany> fish is a good source of food in the aftertime ... Indeed Jeremy about the oceans
<Spanky> clipper: what about inbreeding?
<Clipper> Will not be near an ocean here.
<RayC> jeremy, some things often overlooked by most people preparing a long term medical kit is saline solution and IV sets (available without prescription).
<Clipper> Two females, one male. They will screw each other just fine.
<Spanky> and rabbits last about 5-6 years max?
<Jurian> hehe
<Jurian> rabbits breed like.. well.. like rabbits :D
<Clipper> Or longer. Some can go ten years.
<RayC> saline can keep a dehydrated person alive even if the can't chew or swallow.
<Jeremy> RayC: Thanks for the advice. If you have time just wondered if you could summarise what injuries those items are useful for
<sirgrim> you still need to worry about feeding the rabbits
<sirgrim> without light most plants may go into a hibernation mode
<Jurian> grass :p
<obany> saline: is that like ORS or something different??
<Clipper> Better to have rabbits and not be able to feed them than not have them at all.
<Spanky> they can eat just about any weed.  it will be domestic crops that die.
<sirgrim> yea
<sirgrim> possibly
<sirgrim> i've been studying natural wild plants you can eat though
<sirgrim> you'd be amazed by how many their are
<Clipper> They also eat bark
<sirgrim> going camping tomorrow to check out the terrain again and see what's edible
<RayC> any injury incuring large blood loss. Extreme Diarhia, heat Stress and stroke. Extreme dehydration. Inability to keep food and water in stomache.
<Clipper> Camping ..... seems like such a little thing to me now. Been doing it for two years now:-) I laugh when people ask if we want to "cook out" :-)
<RayC> ok... my spelling is lowsy :) and I'm to lasy for the spell checker :)
<Jurian> :)
<Jurian> gotta go, bbl :)
<Jeremy> see ya Jurian
<Jurian> cya all! :)
<Clipper> I'll cook out ....... right over there at that restaurant :-)
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<Clipper> Bye
<Jeremy> RayC: I'll add those items to my inventory
<RayC> sterile saline solution is the liquid in the little 1ltr plastic bags you see hanging around hospital patients. There are differnt types (additives) based on what your being treated for. NOT for oral use.
<Clipper> Dutch oven corn bread and beef stew over an open fire. Yummy
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<Jeremy> I've got a first aid book but I'll probaly need to undergo a basic first aid course prior to May 2003
<RayC> I just made chili and cornbread for my me and my gal... mmm :)
<RayC> get a basic and an advanced course.
<Jeremy> RayC: You're down in Texas if I remember
<RayC> thats right.
<obany> i learned a bit of first aid 9 years ago, but never a real coure or so
<Jeremy> San Antonio took quite a pelting of rain
<obany> i know, and also problems in Asai Jeremy
<RayC> if you hav not seen it you would not belive it...
<obany> with rainfall
<obany> Asia
<Jeremy> obany: oh yes, your tt-watch post
<obany> moreover.com has a natural dissasters section... good source to find news
<RayC> the one positive thing about it is that my family/friends in San Antonio don't look so bad at me now (damn survivalist was right)... hehehe.. :)
<Clipper> Hehehe
<obany> http://www.moreover.com/cgi-local/page?o=portal&c=Top%20stories and the registration for more headers is not that difficult
<Clipper> Same here :-)
<RayC> one place got 20 inches (yes I said twenty) in less than a couple of hours...
<Jeremy> RayC: When an event like that happens close to home, it must strengthen your contemplation of next year coming true
<RayC> not particularly, those type of events should be expected of anyone who lives within 200miles of a hurricane prone area.
<RayC> now an earthquake in south texas....:)
<Jeremy> Sceptics often say weather changes could just be sporadic events, but we are seeing a trend of higher precipitation around the world now that has caught attention of more people than in previous years
<obany> Jeremy: right
<RayC> long term trends are more supporting than anything but we don't have the time to support long term trend detection.
<obany> there is just way to much to consider it as not being normal.
<RayC> sooner or later wi have to go by intuition.
<RayC> wi=we
<Jeremy> long term trends are useful, but these changes are the result of something. Whether its global warming is a matter of debate. I just think that if global warming was the answer then we would be seeing these current changes occur much earlier
<sirgrim> it's snowed 200% their annual fall in texas so far in a couple days
<sirgrim> err
<sirgrim> rained
* sirgrim under some sort of influence
<Jeremy> It's only the last 2 or 3 years that weather extremes have become noticeable worldwide (in my estimation anyway)
<sirgrim> Jeremy: i see el nino as a good mark.
<sirgrim> when the heat started rising from inside as predicted
<Jeremy> yeah
<sirgrim> that was in 1996
<Jeremy> Does anyone agree that the weather extremes have really kicked in over the last two years?
<RayC> I agree on the recent trend in extreme weather. but in the long view this 100year stretch of good weather is an anamoly.
<sirgrim> Jeremy: totally
<Jeremy> Racy: An anomaly caused by an effect
<RayC> not neccessarily.
<sirgrim> and a lot of blame on global warming
<sirgrim> when they still can't stop arguing if it's even causing it
<RayC> most times in recirded history weather has had a lot of bad moments interspersed with a few periods of calm.
<Jeremy> As I said earlier, if was global warming (and we have been polluting for many years now) then why the sudden upsurge in weather patterns in last two years?
<Jeremy> RayC: Yes there have been many freak weather incidents in the past
<RayC> the indications that catch my eye are the large number of geological events in a short period of time (20 years).
<Jeremy> RayC: I see
<sirgrim> and some things global warming just doesn't cause
<RayC> historically the geoligical events are few and very far in between (100's of years or thousands) not year after year.
<sirgrim> http://www.metatech.org/volcanic_activity_increase_Planet_x.htm just scroll down to the awesome news
<RayC> sorry about my spelling :)
<Jeremy> thx sirgrim
<sirgrim> http://www.metatech.org/volcanic_activity_increase_Planet_x.htm
<sirgrim> er
<sirgrim> Natural disasters increased 410 percent between 1963 and 1993! Dr. Dmitriev did a very elaborate calculation of natural disasters. He showed that if you compare the years 1963 through 1993, the overall amount of natural disasters of all different kinds - whether you are talking hurricanes, typhoons, mud slides, tidal waves, you name it - have increased by 410 percent.
<Clipper> As Homer say's "Stupid fingers!"
<RayC> a large gravitationally significant mass approaching earth would to my mind have the effects I've noted.
<sirgrim> The Sun's magnetic field increased by 230 percent since 1901.
<Clipper> Same here Ray. Just makes sense to me.
<sirgrim> Uranus and Neptune appear to have had recent pole shifts. When the Voyager 2 space probe flew past Uranus and Neptune, the apparent north and south magnetic poles were sizably offset from
<sirgrim> where the rotational pole was. In one case, it was 50 degrees off, and in the other case the difference was around 40 degrees, both of which are pretty big changes.
<sirgrim> so on and so forth
<Jeremy> I've read elsewhere that Mars has experienced unexplained changes
<sirgrim> The glowing plasma at the leading edge of our Solar System has recently increased 1000 percent
<RayC> the closer the mass the more drastic the changes you could expect to occur. and that is exactly what seems to be happening. not only are events occuring more often they are also of greater magnitude.
<sirgrim> The Russians have looked at the leading edge of this heliosphere, and they have observed glowing, excited plasma energy there. This plasma energy used to be 10 astronomical units deep (an astronomical unit is the distance from the Earth to the Sun, 93,000,000 miles). So ten astronomical units represents the normal thickness of this glowing energy that we used to see at the front end of the Solar System.
<sirgrim> that one's interesting.
<sirgrim> Today, that glowing plasma has gone to 100 astronomical units deep. Although Dmitriev's paper does not give an exact timeline, we can assume that this increase happened in the same 1963 to 1993 period as the increase he found in natural disasters. Whenever it happened, that's a 1,000 percent increase in the overall brightness of the energy at the front end of the Solar System.
<RayC> so to me its not a question of "if" but of "when" and "how Bad"
<sirgrim> yea
<Jeremy> What intrigues me is the highly eccentric orbit of Nereid, one of Neptunes moon. It suggests that ZTs explanation of celestial bodies adjusting to factors in their orbit has some basis, to myself anyway
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<RayC> The "STS" and "STO" debate is of no concern to me as I believe that craem rises to the top and that those who prepare to survive are the one most deserving to survive and the ones most likely to get outside assistance... :)
<RayC> craem=cream
<[3j]> so its next may
<Jeremy> be there
<Jeremy> well everyone should be :)
<Jeremy> unless you can get off the planet temporarily
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<[3j]> that costs 20 mil
<[3j]> w/o gurantee of coming back down
<Jeremy> yeah
<Jeremy> ISS crew will be stranded next year
<RayC> ISS crew will be dead.
<Jeremy> yeah, satellites will be torn by the lashing tail of PX
<RayC> remember its the gravitational anamolies that will trigger the PS. its gravitaional balancing against velocities that keep the ISS in position.]
<RayC> even if they avoid debris, the're goners.
<Jeremy> I understand its the magentic affect of PX that causes Earths core to rotate to align with it
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<butch> hello
<Jeremy> hello butch
<RayC> the magnetic core can rotated independantly of the surface. It actually does so now.
<RayC> hi
<[3j]> i thought px was just going to be a disturbing force for earths orbit/rotation, then cause the ps
<RayC> that's why we have a variable and shifting mag north pole.
<Jeremy> At the moment the lava fields in the mid-Atlantic rift are increasingly trying to align with PXs magnetic field, resulting in the slowing rotation, per ZT
<[3j]> ray, jeremy, you both believe its going to happen?
<Jeremy> I'm 90% convinced
<RayC> the ps is caused by induced instabilities in the earths period of rotation. the PS is an effect not the cause.
<obany> and i am convinced too
<Jeremy> But ZT says the pole shift is essentially the core rotating, dragging the crust with it
<RayC> i belive it is going to happen. When it will happen I don't know. It may not happen in my life but I know from my own travels and research that it has happended in the past.
<Jeremy> RayC: Intersting perspective. Furthermore, a lot of people believe in PX, even if they don't accept ZT
<RayC> the zetas say what they want and what they think the common (lack of specialized knowledge) people can understand.
<[3j]> im sceptical because zt has a political bias in the articles
<Jeremy> RayC: Yeah, they say as an STO group they tend to deal with facts in a straighforward manner
<[3j]> however the idea that px is a sort of reoccuring event, that is believable... but on every 3600 years? thats means the last shift was just a few centuries prior to the founding of rome
<[3j]> and no records of it..
<RayC> to envision the possible ways a PS could occur you must look at a lot of issues and ask questions that our science has not answered.
<Jeremy> 3j: valid point
<obany> well ZT says that the Jewish Exodus happend at the time of the last pole shift and there is a page on Troubled times called 3600 shift
<Jeremy> Even though I believe, I've wondered why ancient cultures didn't go to the effort of recording it somehow
<RayC> for instance. People take the molten cor theory for granted but it has not been proven.
<Jeremy> I know records may have been lost, but I thought survivors would depict it in pictures
<[3j]> jeremy, there are records of a flood for example, but they all point to a time much more remote than 3600 years ago
<obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo272.htm
<Jeremy> 3j: is 11,00 years what you are thinking of?
<Jeremy> 11,000 I meant
<[3j]> no i dont have any specific time/date
<Jeremy> 3j: ok
<RayC> I thing ancient cultures did record it. (the flood, the end of the golden age etc.)
<obany> 3j: also not every pole shift is a severe one, in fact ? zetatalk says that one as will occur in 2003 didn't occur in 50.000 years
<Jeremy> yeah
<[3j]> so the comming one is terrible
<Jeremy> yes, and partly why the 'transformation' is taking place
<obany> else it would have taken longer to occur for what i read, the shift to 4th density
<RayC> and also why our cultures don't last longer than a few thousand years.
<[3j]> what happens in 4th density? do creatures still have bodies and need drinks?
<Jeremy> the tragic irony is that humanity has made great strides since the last pole shift in certain endaevours
<obany> 3j: yes
<Jeremy> 3j: yes, in short
<Jeremy> they say in unison :)
<[3j]> if this is really going to happen...
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<RayC> wb A
<[3j]> wouldnt it be a good idea to archive all the information thats available now
<Angelic> thnx Rayc
<Jeremy> Just think, each day PX is millions of miles closer to earth
<RayC> but how to archive it so its retrievable by a low tech society...
<[3j]> yeah.
<RayC> that was the Mayans deliema when they designed there calander.
<[3j]> ray i dont follow
<[3j]> how can a calendar be a dilema
<RayC> the only people who understood the significance of the calander would not be here to explain it.
<Jeremy> Zetas have said that the troubled times distance chart for PX is not fully correct, but still sufficient
<Jeremy> And if you examine it you can see that PX doesn't arrive ar the outer solar system until relatively late, just before reddish cross period
<RayC> if the mayans designed a calander to predict the end of the world. But the end of the world was not to be in the time of the predicors. then how would the predictors tell their decendants about the end of the world?
<[3j]> they obviously failed in education ray
<Jeremy> Once PX is visible as a reddish cross then it is already within the solar system
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<RayC> predicors=pedictors.
<Jeremy> And it slows right down, which is why the reddish cross period lasts for 7 weeks
<RayC> did they?... there calander concerned the planet not their society. As most societies they never considered that there's would end before the world's end.
<RayC> and we without them to help us decoded their calander.
<[3j]> where did they go?
<RayC> people may differ on the dates but not on its purpose or meaning.
<RayC> i don't know (food of the gods....baby:))
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<RayC> hi B
<Jeremy> Speak to you later folks, been real lively tonight
<butch> hi...can't seem to get a good connection today...this dial up sucks!
<RayC> bye Jeremy, have a good one:)
<Jeremy> bye
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<RayC> yeah, I hated dial-up...
<RayC> have DSL and cable now.
<agentY> man runs naked on tennis courts at wimbledon!! hehehe...is it nancy's son???
<RayC> did the sisters kick his ass (they probably could).. :)
<RayC> they kicked everybody elses
<RayC> hehehe.
<agentY> wonder if guy got laid afterwards?
<agentY> by horny chick in audience.
<RayC> guess that would depend on the size of her need and his capacity to fill it...
<agentY> :>
<RayC> as he left nothing to the imagination, and face it guys sometimes imagination is the only reason she give it up...
<RayC> anybody have a topic....?
<[3j]> not sure
<[3j]> i was reading the irc chat logs..
<[3j]> the ps is very depressing
<RayC> anybody making plan on beermaking post-ps?
<[3j]> hehe
<[3j]> wine making too
<RayC> I'm kinda looking forward to it.
<[3j]> so you see post ps as a place without any beer co
<RayC> would be very interested in the making of Captain Morgan Gold Malt beverage...
<RayC> got your caffine, cola, and alcohol all in one shot...
<[3j]> captain morgan gold malts
<[3j]> mmm good
<RayC> I don't know. I've made mead, pain in the ass and did not care for it. but easier than beer.
<RayC> found the recipe in (don't laugh) a book on witchcraft (Hey I read anything).
<obany> there is some info about making wine / beer on TT for what i know
<RayC> worked better than the one I got off the net.
<[3j]> ive never made any, but tasted some
<[3j]> very nasty
<[3j]> home brewed beer
<RayC> to each his own (poison :))
<[3j]> home made wine on the other had was quite tasty after it reached a certain age
<butch> i might try making some blackberry wine this year....just about pickin time here...:)
<[3j]> hehe yeah poison
<RayC> I'm too old to wait.
<[3j]> well it wasnt bad tasting, it just ended up being very thick
<[3j]> the beer
<obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/food/tfood132.htm
<RayC> had some friends in tennessee that make blackberry wine. good stuff with roasted pork... mmm.
<[3j]> or failed to remove the impurities, at some point it would be dangerous enough to your health, like blindness or death
<[3j]> lets all make our own booze ...
<RayC> uhh... mushrooms are easier...(did I say that?)
<[3j]> haha
<[3j]> dont forget to pack some seeds
<[3j]> for medecine purpose plants
<RayC> anyone plan on making music post-ps?
<[3j]> i plan on packing some power cells so i can play my mp3s :)
<[3j]> that sure will be a problem, the lack of power post ps
<RayC> I'm trying to decide in instruments and supplies and would be interested in opinions on longevity of different makes of guitar strings and reeds.
<[3j]> sorry, no clue
<RayC> I've always had a problem with my metal strings lasting in hot humid environments.
<RayC> I've got an alvarez classical on my hope list, but afraid of its warping in post-ps environment.
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<[3j]> keep it safe and it shouldnt
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<RayC> ohoh butch got hit again
<RayC> personally I've discovered the four things I need for happiness. Good Food, Clean Water, Music and a piece of ass. I'm good to go...
<[3j]> your lucky
<RayC> That's what I've planned to maintain pre-,during and post-ps
<RayC> I don't mind working for it but without them somebody gonna be in deep trouble... :)
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<ukuz> hello
<RayC> I gotta go. Girlfriend time coming up. Dinner, movie... Wish me luck (hey i'm old not dead..:))
<sirgrim> good luck
<sirgrim> i gotta do that tomorrow
<sirgrim> muahaha, weekends free
<RayC> bye all
<[3j]> bye
<ukuz> bye
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<obany> zico: hi, you missed most of the chatter ...
<obany> anyway brb
<[3j]> not much chatter goin on anyway..
<Zico> :/
<cmel> I'm back
<cmel> I'm out of luck
<cmel> noone left ;-)
<[3j]> how come out of luck?
<cmel> noone left ;-)
<ukuz> whos noone?
<ukuz> :)
<cmel> no one
<cmel> sorry
<cmel> ;-)
<[3j]> im here..
<cmel> lucky me ;-)
<cmel> hehe
<[3j]> cmel you believe in the px?
<[3j]> px-planet x
<cmel> I'm somewhat in between, sometimes I do sometimes I dont
<[3j]> i guess if i could see it, i'd belive
<cmel> Yeah you're right
<[3j]> according to zetatalk, isnt px supposed to swing by earth twice?
<cmel> Yup
<cmel> once 2003
<cmel> and
<cmel>  once 1012
<cmel> maybe I'm wrong about the later date
<[3j]> 1012 ?
<[3j]> 2010-2012 you mean?
<cmel> maybe sooner I can't remember
<[3j]> yeah..
<[3j]> so are we supposed to experience another pole shift then too/
<[3j]> all the survival stuff only says get ready for one change
<cmel> No, nothing much the second time
<[3j]> nothing about px passing by a second time :)
<cmel> well I've been reading up on this and the second time doesent do much to earth
<[3j]> whys that?
<cmel> it's on the other side of the sun at the time ... or so they say
<[3j]> ok i see
<[3j]> too far to have any effect obviously..
<cmel> something like that I think ....!!!!
<cmel> so where are you from ??
<[3j]> usa
<cmel> OK
<[3j]> you?
<cmel>  I'm from denmark, scandinavia
<[3j]> never been there
<cmel> where in us ?
<[3j]> arizona
<cmel> like tucson ?
<[3j]> phoenix
<cmel> ok ;-)
<[3j]> usa - arizona - phoenix is where i'm from
<cmel> I'm from Copenhagen Denmark
<cmel> hehe
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<[3j]> well ive been there,
<[3j]> heard its cool
<[3j]> cool = cold
<[3j]> never been there
<[3j]> sorry, bad typing
<cmel> well these days it is
<cmel> it's raining more than usually
<[3j]> ah..
<[3j]> here its just real hot
<[3j]> wish there was rain though
<cmel> yeah well thing are just getting out of hand
<cmel> things
<[3j]> things?
<cmel> i was correcting myself
<[3j]> i understand, i meant what kind of things
<cmel> the weather !!!
<[3j]> oh yeah no kidding!
<[3j]> its to be expected
<[3j]> man made microclimates disrupt the natural weather patterns
<[3j]> so weird "things" like today
<[3j]> i think all the waether just needs to rebalance itself out, and eventualyl it wil be back to something normal
<[3j]> i hope :)
<cmel> we had our first tornado in 30 years last month (f2)
<cmel> it destroyed some homes maybe 5 or so
<[3j]> wow
<[3j]> no such things here
<cmel> ouy know "fujita scale 2"
<cmel> you
<[3j]> yup
<[3j]> the closest thing to tornados here is called a dust devil
<[3j]> very small, very harmless
<cmel> we normally never have that
<[3j]> yeah i know
<[3j]> but thats the kind of stuff everyone is saying. we normally dont have such weird weather!
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<cmel> but they sucked the roof off
<cmel> the weather is going crazy
<cmel> as I see it
<cmel> it sucked the roof off
<cmel> are u there 3 ?
<PJ> yes here 4
<cmel> hehe
<PJ> 5
<cmel> 6
<PJ> no way
<cmel> hehe
<cmel> 7
<cmel> ?
<PJ> ok roll the dice...what is interesting today?
<PJ> tell me something or i am going to leave
<cmel> today ..... hhhmmmm what is good to wear ??
<PJ> hehe
<[3j]> im hungry ?
<PJ> me 2
<cmel> So am I
<cmel> Let me eat u
<cmel> hehe
<PJ> well tell me do you tell your friends about PX
<cmel> I tried .... I should'nt have
<PJ> why do you say that
<cmel> Because I tried to say what I think is the truth ...... namely PX
<PJ> rite? and....then what?
<PJ> did they say?
<cmel> they thought I was crazy ....
<ukuz> they called me "Chicken Little"  :(
<cmel> hehe
<[3j]> all my friends and family listened to me
<cmel> let them
<cmel> go on
<cmel> 3
<PJ> ah i see...rite
<PJ> yeah...ive been telling certain people and it takes them for a loop
<cmel> a long loop ????
<cmel> hehe
<PJ> no shit big time
<PJ> trips them out totally
<cmel> yeah I hear you
<ukuz> They loop their ears with their finger when i talk about it...   :(
<PJ> but...whatever...i dont care..i have to tell them..because i wont feel the one bit worse if...it does not occur
<cmel> sorry
<cmel> ukuz
<ukuz> sorry
<ukuz> :)
<cmel> yeah I am
<PJ> i knew that the first time i saw you
<cmel> you should'nt waste your time
<cmel> ukuz
<PJ> no waste ..just observation
<ukuz> on?
<cmel> ok ... ukuz
<cmel> ;-)
<PJ> just kidding of course
<ukuz> ok
<ukuz> :)
<PJ> being a smart alec...dont want to be mean you know...sto
<ukuz> i'll try
<ukuz> ;)
<PJ> well i have to go eat someone
<cmel> hey where all STO aremt we ???
<[3j]> ever wonder how many people in the world is required to sustain one american family
<PJ> hungry
<cmel> back 3 !!
<PJ> no ...how many
<cmel> I like
<cmel> 27
<ukuz> zero?
<[3j]> i dont know, but for every household im sure it depends on a handful
<cmel> so 27 is a good bid
<ukuz> hehe
<[3j]> yeah
<cmel> hehe
* obany goes now ... folks goodnight take care sleep well
<ukuz> insider joke
<cmel> goodnight
<PJ> nite
<[3j]> americans are going to be in lots of trouble if the px event does happen
<cmel> so are the danish
<[3j]> compared to europeans anyway
<PJ> what about the Italians
<cmel> I'm euro
<Angelic> 3j, when it happens europe will be flooded immensly
<[3j]> americans consume at least 2x-3x more than europeans
<cmel> mostly nothing will be there
<[3j]> not just food, but goods too
<Angelic> ah, psycholigcally
<ukuz> how about vietnam and cambodia?
<cmel> goone
<cmel> gone
<ukuz> really?
<Angelic> he knows ;)
<ukuz> during the PS?
<cmel> to low country
<Angelic> ukuz where you at?
<cmel> yeah I know everything ;-)
<Angelic> ;-))
<ukuz> Hawaii
<cmel> and angelic know as well but wont say
<PJ> well then tell me something interesting if you know so mcuh
<cmel> hehe
<cmel> what do you want to know
<cmel> ?
<PJ> i need some edgeimacation
<cmel> you need some what ???
<[3j]> hehe what is edgeimacation?
<PJ> like education
<cmel> hehe
<PJ> ok ...i have a kitty cat....what can i do with him and how
<cmel> pj ??
<PJ> for instance
<ukuz> cmel, youve never watched the Three Stooges i take it
<cmel> you will have to specify what ??
<ukuz> :)
<PJ> geez
<cmel> nope :ukuz
<PJ> if you had one....what the heck would you do?..think about it
<ukuz> slap stick comedy show
<cmel> duct tape
<cmel> hehe
<obany> okay now i realy go .... bye ... nite ..
<cmel> bye obany
<ukuz> see you back obany
<obany> k
<ukuz> :)
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<cmel> so 3 are u here ?
<cmel> and do u want 2 talk
<cmel> ?
<cmel> anyone want 2 talk ?
<ukuz> cmel: are the major observatories in Denmark under STS control like it is here?
<cmel> I think they are, because I haven't heard anything from them about extraordinary observations
<cmel> so they must be
<cmel> I think
<ukuz> hmm...seems world wide
<cmel> but we only have a couple
<cmel>  yes it does
<cmel> ukuz
<cmel> so ukuz are u from europe ?
<ukuz> from Hawaii
<cmel> ok ukuz
<cmel> ¨;-)
<ukuz> im still not so sure this is a safe loc
<cmel> I would'nt recommend
<ukuz> hehe
<cmel> hehe
<ukuz> understand that
<ukuz> :)
<cmel> go to usa, or asia, europe
<cmel> ;)
<cmel> I know hawai is a part of USA but
<ukuz> actuall hawaii wouldnt shift as much as most continents according to future maps i've seen...
<cmel> yes well you've have to balance on top of the islands ???!!!
<ukuz> hehe
<cmel> hehe
<ukuz> seems we're sort of the pivot point of the shift
<cmel> and maybee pelé will get you
<cmel> hehe
<ukuz> ahhh...you know her too i see
<cmel> I've heard of her
<cmel> and thats nothing to laugh about
<ukuz> in TT, i read that hawaii wouldnt do so bad though
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<cmel> ok ... don't remember
<ukuz> but who really knows right?
<[3j]> the zetas?
<[3j]> but they wont tell no one
<[3j]> convenient hehe
<cmel> they may know but they wont tell
<cmel> oh 3 you're back
<ukuz> i wonder if theyre able to actually predict details like if Hawaii would become one giant volcano?
<cmel> I think they can do that .... predict
<cmel> but anyone can alter  that
<cmel> hey are u there ???
<[3j]> i am
<ukuz> still kicking
<cmel> k
<ukuz> :)
<cmel> thought u were dead
<cmel> hehe
<ukuz> and miss PX...no way!
<ukuz> hehe
<cmel> haha
<cmel> I love pX
<cmel> .... NOT
<cmel> hehe
<[3j]> hehe
<ukuz> i'll be stuck this subject for awhile thats for sure
<[3j]> taking advantage of what time is left and ordering pizza
<[3j]> because surely after px, there will be no more pizza delivery restaurants
<[3j]> nor any chinese
<cmel> anyone love PX ???
<ukuz> define love
<cmel> I don't love ... are you crazy ?????
<ukuz> ok
<[3j]> why are u asking if anyone loves px?
<[3j]> what is there to love..
<cmel> Love is when you feel attached to somone / thing
<cmel> just a sec
<ukuz> im stuck on this thingy
<ukuz> :)
<ukuz> hehe
<cmel> then you love ;-) ..... hehe
<[3j]> you can feel attached to something, in hate
<cmel> this thingy
<ukuz> cmel: do you have psychics in Denmark that mentioned PX or major changes about to happen?
<cmel> not to my knowledge .. I'm sorry
<cmel> buet I have USA to go to to get info
<cmel> but
<ukuz> we've had a few shows here that seemed to hint on what PX could do..
<ukuz> not mentioning PX
<cmel> Ok I have'nt seen those
<cmel> u r awake ????
<ukuz> one good show i seen was part of a series caled  Ancient Prophesies.
<cmel> k , I hear you
<cmel> what was it about ???
<ukuz> however they dont dare say PX on their shows
<ukuz> hehe
<ukuz> mainly predictions
<cmel> k ukuz, ....... hehe
<cmel> I'm watching Saving  Private  Ryan
<cmel> they're being killrf
<cmel> killed
<cmel> dead
<cmel> oh no
<cmel> agony
<ukuz> its was said to be an acurately portrayed move by the real surviving solders
<cmel> they're lost
<ukuz> movie
<cmel> yes but then
<ukuz> the part in the begining
<cmel> I think the movie represents everything war is
<ukuz> first time watching that?
<cmel> if u can live into into it
<cmel> no not the first time
<cmel>  but a harsh time
<ukuz> it hard to watch for me
<cmel> ok
<cmel>  it's hard to watch for me
<ukuz> onetime was plenty
<ukuz> hehe
<ukuz> :)
<ukuz> felt like i was there
<cmel> because it's the first time for me !!
<agentY> hated private ryan.
<agentY> terminator was better.
<agentY> hehehe
<agentY> private ryan = i was hoping nazis would win
<agentY> hehehe
<cmel> I'ts quite realistic I think
<agentY> cmel have u been in war b4?
<[3j]> nazis loose
<agentY> loose? wish i knew some female nazis then
<agentY> heheeh
<cmel> Nope .... but seeing Private Ryan make me think so
<cmel> hehe
<agentY> oh
<agentY> but w/o being in war, u don't really know if its realistic or not.
<agentY> u get those xcam2 ads??
<cmel> U're right then and there
<agentY> ok
<cmel> I dont know
<agentY> ok
<cmel> You do ????
<[3j]> hmmm
<agentY> yes.  hate the ads, but i likes the women they feature.
<cmel> You know some ??????
<agentY> no.
<cmel> you know nothing ????
<agentY> what.?
<agentY> bling bling
<cmel> what agentY
<agentY> nothing. will read and sleep.
<agentY> ././
<agentY> ./.
<cmel> I sleeep
<agentY> saw hot chicks today.
<cmel> sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
<cmel> Fire now now now
<cmel> kill
<agentY> KILL KILL KILL
<cmel> I have to retire now
<cmel> sorry
<agentY> umm k
<agentY> tata
<ukuz> with owhat time it it there  cmel?
<cmel> I leave u
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<ukuz> what time in Denmark
<ukuz> (gots to stop typing with my eyes closed...)
<agentY> heh
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<sirgrim> New satellite-derived images of vegetation confirm extremely dry conditions exist that are ripe for fires in the western United States, according to a data collaboration between NASA and the USDA Foreign Agricultural Service. Images created from France's SPOT satellite show the health of vegetation as severely weakened indicating very dry conditions over large areas of the western U.S.
<sirgrim> The images for May show the most severely dessicated regions to be over the western Great Plains, especially southeastern Colorado near the Texas/Oklahoma panhandle region. The data show severely dry conditions over the U.S. Southwest, and northward over the Dakotas and Montana, reaching all the way up into Canada.
<sirgrim> drought's so bad you can see it from space
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<Red> Hmmmm.... 3j = j3???
<[3j]> no
<Red> well...    greetings from Albrta anyway
<Red> Alberta even...
<[3j]> greetings
<[3j]> i hear alberta is flat
<Red> So.... what's your take on all this px stuff?
<[3j]> any truth to those rumours?
<[3j]> my take? I really have no idea what to believe
<Red> flat to the south.... see the curvature of the earth kinda thing...    west is great mountains and north forrest
<[3j]> the zetatalk.com site has lots of interesting stuff but..
<Red> east here is still flat to Saskatchewan    and dry, big troubles coming re drought etc
<[3j]> whoever writes it has some sort of hidden political agenda filled with hatred towards the current established leaders
<[3j]> worldwide leaders
<Red> Zeta   interesting indeed... and just close enough to the mark to have my attention
<[3j]> truthfully, it would be in the best interest of the powers that be to protect the common folk
<[3j]> theres nothing without a flock
<Red> yes     current leaders seem to be "in the bad books" but I think we all would ahve to agree to a large extent
<[3j]> i disagree
<[3j]> even if the elite of the world hide out during the entire event, if any
<[3j]> when they come out they know they will be screwed
<Red> really?    I am pretty disgusted with current local leaders...   provincial and federal
<[3j]> well your canadian
<[3j]> western canadian at that :)
<Red> lol   well I ain't impressed by the gang to the south
<[3j]> you mean the americans?
<Red> are y9ou Canadian?
<[3j]> yes
<Red> indeed  
<[3j]> not living there anymore though
<Red> moved to the US?
<[3j]> but still elligible for free health care...
<[3j]> yea
<Red> for as long as it lasts
<[3j]> i was just joking
<Red> hehe
<[3j]> canadian too far to make canadian health care worthwile
<[3j]> canadian border too far
<[3j]> anyway, even after the px event, theres still going to be life on earth
<Red> so you are well to the south?   I rather liked my times there.... Tenn, Louisianna...   nice places
<Red> oh for sure....     large death toll if you follow the Zetas but som make it
<[3j]> people walking around etc.. as i was saying, its in the best interest of the current powers that be to lead the people through all of this
<[3j]> because when the quakes are gone, and the waters are back in the ocean, someone will have to plow the field, someone will have to be in the factory
<[3j]> and i dont think the elites want to be that person
<Red> true but there aren't enough resources to bring us through
<[3j]> bring us through what?
<[3j]> you mean food/water?
<Red> when the fit hits the shan the large pop bases are gone....   and to move ppl from LA inland isn't going to happen
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<[3j]> well thats the picture zeta seemed to have painted isnt
<Red> food water....  no power for a long time, its camping forever as far as I can see
<Red> Hiys J3
<Jenkins3d> Hello
<Red> What's new and exciting J3?
<Jenkins3d> umm...stuff you probably dont want to know about
<Jenkins3d> but some stuff you might
<Red> hehehe    dare I ask....
<Jenkins3d> where do you live red?
<Red> man its hot here....    ranchers are talking selling whole herds due to lack of feed/moisture
<Red> Alberta, J3    Edmonton area
<Jenkins3d> ohh...you know anything about thoes fires in Qubeck or how ever you sepll it
<Red> Quebec....   haven't heard much but the whole country is parched
<Red> to the south floods...   go figure
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<Jenkins3d> yeah, a ton of smoke from thoes fires if blwing around where i am and i want it to go away
<Red> Og was here?    strange
<Red> wow    good luck, we have smoke in the air from up north... beeen burning for months
<Jenkins3d> well it's keeping my area nice and cool
<Red> I hope you stay out of the severe stuff....   we'll have some nasty thunder storms soon I thing
<Red> j3, has HBO been around at all?
<Spanky> hah, red.  dont those involve RAIN? (making it bloody unlikely..)
<Jenkins3d> havent seen him
<Red> not necessarily.... we have many dry thinder storms or minute precip and lits of light....   awesome to watch but tornadoes often follow
<Red> Hiya Spanky
<Spanky> hi red.
<Red> lits = lots....    eeesh
<Jenkins3d> the smoke should be gone soo though becasue it's only here becasue of the wind direction
<Red> yeah    its intermittent here too, we get fumigated every couple days
<Red> I think often its grass fires tho .... local stuff just getting outta contrtol
<Red> time to bail... y'all have fun ;)
<Red> zz
<Jenkins3d> cya
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<Jenkins3d> Who beleivs Nancy here?
<Jenkins3d> or who here beleives nancy
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<Sapphire> jenkins3d : no takers
<Jenkins3d> (_|_)
<Jenkins3d> ehhh, i had to do that
<Jenkins3d> What do you mean no takers?
<Sapphire> no one said they believe Nancy
<Jenkins3d> ohh, i get ya
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<agentPX> yeah lots of fire right now in quebec..
<agentPX> the sky was orange today
<agentPX> but a brown-orange
<agentPX> was really weird
<agentPX> i live far from the forest.. very far actually, because im near downtown and quebec is big..  (for you guys not knowing quebec is a state of Canada and because canada is the 2nd biggest country.. quebec is like bigger than france, but with a 10 times less population loll)
<agentPX> wow
<agentPX> i just read that people from New-York can even see the orange in the sky because of the fires we have here..
<Jenkins3d_is_not_here> i can see it and i live in southern PA
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<Jenkins3d> very smokey today
<agentPX> wow
<Jenkins3d> smelled bad too
<agentPX> didnt know you guys was seeing from where u were
<agentPX> thats bad..
<agentPX> lol
<agentPX> there is more than 50 big fires going on
<Jenkins3d> yup came around about 6 yesterday and was really bad today
<agentPX> right now
<agentPX> http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/07/07/canada.forestfires.ap/index.html
<Jenkins3d> What's burning
<agentPX> forests :(
<Jenkins3d> yeah but what kind of trees?
<agentPX> At least 50 fires, which have destroyed up to 148,200 acres of forest, were burning in a remote area near James Bay, about 500 miles north of Montreal, said Quebec fire officials and the U.S. National Weather Service.
<agentPX> there you go
<agentPX> The smoke also moved across eastern Pennsylvania and into some parts of New Jersey on Saturday, said weather service meteorologist Peter Jung in State College, Pennsylvania.
<agentPX> i dont know exactly which kind of trees
<Jenkins3d> oh, i wish it had a nice piney smell
<agentPX> eh
<Jenkins3d> but oh well..it's keeping the area cool
<agentPX> i know that lots of peoples have been evacuated
<agentPX> lol
<agentPX> actually did you know that we were selling lots of wood to your country?
<agentPX> this will <  the wood exportation
<[3j]> finished products, not raw lumber
<Jenkins3d> i did not
<[3j]> such as papers
<agentPX> 3j nope
<agentPX> true for finished products
<[3j]> agent, they teach it in montreal high school
<[3j]> papers and something
<[3j]> french word forgot how to translate
* [3j] is quebecois
<agentPX> yeah well.. i did an error.. you are right for Montreal's wood.. but i know in vancouver they are just cutting trees and exporting it t ous
<agentPX> to US
* agentPX est québécois aussi
* [3j] doesnt have é on the keyboard
<agentPX> hehehe
<agentPX> :p
<[3j]> well as for the wood
<agentPX> [3j] where do you live ?
<[3j]> hardwood is the export, your right
<[3j]> im in arizona currently
<agentPX> what u doin there?
<[3j]> arizona btw, had some crazy fires too
<agentPX> already moved because of PX ? :p
<Jenkins3d> no they dont
<[3j]> dont know agent
<agentPX> well
<[3j]> im just one of the many other millions of people who recently moved to this area of the world...
<[3j]> for no pressing reason
<agentPX> why?
<agentPX> work?
<agentPX> school?
<Jenkins3d> ick...it's too hot for me
<agentPX> you dont move so far for anything
<Jenkins3d> went to the grand Canyon once
<[3j]> still didnt go up that way
<[3j]> i did head the other direction though, to vegas
<[3j]> grand canyon = one big hole ..
<agentPX> [3j]: but why did you moved there?
<agentPX> there is like nothing to do there.. you must have a reason :p
<[3j]> nothing to do in arizona?
<agentPX> bah we can debate about it later, but 1st tell me why you moved there lol
<agentPX> the only reason i would move there is for work
<[3j]> i dont know agentpx
<agentPX> [3j]: how old?
<[3j]> it just happened..
<[3j]> agent do you want to know my bday next
<agentPX> yeah
<agentPX> why not
<[3j]> you ask too many questions, are you with the mounties?
<[3j]> kgb? cia?
<agentPX> no fbi
<[3j]> le front de la liberation du quebec?
<agentPX> lol
<[3j]> troubled times says arizona is 100% safe
<[3j]> nevada too
<[3j]> utah i bet you its the same thing..
<agentPX> yep
<Jenkins3d> troubled times says i'll drown but im not going anywere
<agentPX> but alberta and saskatchewan are 100% safe too
<[3j]> yup
<[3j]> agent as long as your high ground over there
<agentPX> [3j]: i'll just buy a house for like 50K over there when ill be sure PX really exist
<[3j]> does everyone here really think that its going to pass by earth in 2003?
<agentPX> and it will be al lfine
<agentPX> lol
<Jenkins3d> NO
<[3j]> jenkins you dont?
<Jenkins3d> nope
<Jenkins3d> nope
<[3j]> who here thinks that nancy lady is just talking to herself
<agentPX> one more jenkin :)
<agentPX> lol
<Jenkins3d> ahhh, computer froze and i said that twice
<[3j]> one of those mulitple personalities
<[3j]> multiple
<Jenkins3d> gotta restart...
<agentPX> me
<[3j]> hehe
<agentPX> nancy is shyzophrenic
<[3j]> she looks like an alien
<agentPX> she can transform her caracter and voice
<agentPX> i saw it on the art show
<[3j]> hmm?
<[3j]> explain
<agentPX> well
<agentPX> when she was at the art bell show on radio
<agentPX> at one time she just said
<agentPX> hold on im going to ask the zetas
<agentPX> and then she change a little bit her voice, and she started to talk faster
<agentPX> and it was like not her
<agentPX> to me its a multiple-character which is probably shyzophrenia
<[3j]> i dont know
<[3j]> that also sounds like a trance like thing
<[3j]> trance/possesed
<agentPX> oh thought u meant techno/trance
<agentPX> j/k
<[3j]> its interesting though her website
<[3j]> lots of stuff
<agentPX> yep
<agentPX> great work
<agentPX> its a big encyclopedia
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<[3j]> yeah
<agentPX> anyway mr.secret talk to ya later, got work to do
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<[3j]> mr secret?
<[3j]> k no prob but remember sunday is best of too be lazy and w/o work
<agentPX> yeah
<agentPX> well i took one stupid summer course
<[3j]> ehe
<agentPX> at university so i have works to do
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<[3j]> welcome back jenkins
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<Jenkins3d> whats a good responce to that?
<[3j]> dont know
<sirgrim> thanks?
<[3j]> yup thats good
<Jenkins3d> i guess
<Jenkins3d> http://www.geocities.com/willpeopland/moe.html  
<Jenkins3d> go there and tell me which one is better
<agentPX> thats you&?
<Jenkins3d> uh, yeah..most of me
<agentPX> lol
<agentPX> why did you cut the face
<Jenkins3d> i didnt...i couldnt get back far enough in the building im in to get my face
<agentPX> i bet you want to meet a girl and dont know how to dress, so you want our opinion eh :P
<agentPX> hmmm in the 2pictures ?
<Jenkins3d> NO, yes
<Jenkins3d> its alot worse that that
<agentPX> whats the point of doing a picture without the face
<agentPX> lol
<agentPX> anyway i prefer the 1
<Jenkins3d> ok
<Jenkins3d> im not gonna tell you people what i need that fore
<Jenkins3d> if you want to see my face let me find the pic
<agentPX> there is so much mystery in this chan
<agentPX> lol
<agentPX> :p
<agentPX> dont need to find your face pic
<agentPX> i saw somes already
<Jenkins3d> ohh..ok
<agentPX> :
<agentPX> :)
<agentPX> you have like 2-3 sites running so
<Jenkins3d> thats good casue i need to work on it casue i tried to shrink my nose a little and i got my mouth a little crooked
<Jenkins3d> and i just noticed that
<agentPX> lol
<Jenkins3d> humm..more smoke tomorrow
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