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Session Start: Tue Jul 09 11:47:28 2002
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<obany> so mike vegas how is it going with your s*pid skepticalmind.com stie
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<Jurian> what's stupid about it?
<Sapphire> good...the record is being preserved, for the future
<Ogmios> hi obany and jurian
<Jurian> heh, yeah, it is
<Sapphire> you don't have to censor the word "stupid",  it's not obscene in English!
<reticuli> that site is not convincing, its more like a gossip collumn
<Jurian> either it wont be of much use, or it'll be a cute list of us fools :p
<obany> well do i clean the logs ... i doubts so
<Sapphire> after May 2003 it will take on a new purpose
<obany> i don't clean those logs
<Jurian> Sapphire: what kind of purpose?
<Sapphire> i wasn't refering to logs, your word came out at s*pid
<obany> saphire:for what i read it's mentioend there that i clean the logs ... well i don't
<Sapphire> i won't reveal for now, it would tend to provoke some people needlessly
<Sapphire> ahh, I see what you mean.  I guess that's a matter of who you talk to
<Jurian> heh, the only thing that bothers me about me being on that list, is that if no shift happens (which is quite likely), I'll look like an idiot :)
<Sapphire> jurian : as it stands you probably won't look like a fool.  But, it depends upon how all this shakes out I suppose
<Jurian> yeah
<reticuli> i gotta hand it to nancy for going out on a limb here
<obany> well i don't care being on that list ...
<Jurian> no, cause everyone knows you're on of the greatest believers in zetatalk
<Sapphire> she might not realize she's out on the "limb"
<Jurian> I am not tho, so I do care :p
<Sapphire> zetatalk wouldn't be what it is today without "obany"
<Jurian> in fact, its starting to make less sense all the time, specially the "science" shit
<obany> sapphire: and how do you know that so sure spahire ???
<reticuli> give me a break sapphire, she knew that she would face ridicule and derision if she went public
<Jurian> the only reason I find zetatalk interesting, is cause I feel something like a poleshift is required to get humanity back on the right track
<Sapphire> reticuli: true but "out on the limb" could be much more serious
<Jurian> its not secret that I don't like nancy tho :p
<reticuli> explain sapphire?
<Ogmios> no need to like her.
<Ogmios> is just a messenger
<Sapphire> I've entertained the fantasy that a disaster could fix a bunch of our modern problems...but it will remain fantasy for me
<Jurian> true :)
<Sapphire> "heaven's gate"
<Jurian> Sapphire: I'm afraid you're right, it'll just remain fantasy
<reticuli> elaborate
<Jurian> then again, maybe it wont, and shit will really start changing, even without a big disaster
<Sapphire> we could still get a "rougue nuke" disaster, of course
<Jurian> yep
<reticuli> or do you not make "predictions" sapphire?
<obany> oooh no, comparing ZT with heavens gate ... sure there we go again ...
<Jurian> or bush going nuts and pushing his star wars toys too far
<Sapphire> obany: not a comparison, merely one of many possible outcomes
<Jurian> obany: if you were really sure ZT isn't a cult, there wouldn't be a need to be so extremely defensive
<Sapphire> i can't predict anything, just look at possibilities
<reticuli> so do you think px is a possible outcome sapphire?
<Sapphire> yes, PX is still possible
<reticuli> glad to hear it
<obany> so what if the pole shift will happen as said in 2003.. then what?
<Jurian> then it happens
<Jurian> and if it doesn't?
<Sapphire> then a lot of my and your problems are now gone
<reticuli> sapphire, so if Nancy is right, don't you think it would irresponsible for her not to tell people
<Jurian> then what?
<Sapphire> she could have been decieved and still be basically innocent in that regard
<Jurian> no offense obany, but I'm not sure how you'd react if it doesn't happen
<obany> if the pole shift don't happen ,,, then it will be bye bye world anyway ... later on but you know what i mean
<obany> Jurian: i am not going to kill myself
<Ogmios> if no sighting in august..
<Jurian> no, I know you're not
<Jurian> nor anyone else who "believes" zetatalk
<Jurian> I don't think it attracts the suicidal types
<Ogmios> survival ppl
<Jurian> exactly
<Sapphire> even with no suicides, families can still be destroyed
<reticuli> ?
<Jurian> people who feel something needs to be done
<Sapphire> already happening on some levels
<Jurian> hmm?
<reticuli> ?
<Sapphire> haven't you read any of the personal stories from the discussion groups or sci.astro?
<reticuli> i hardly think Nancy is destroying families
<reticuli> people have free will
<Sapphire> just as I have free will to attempt to mitigate the destruction
<Sapphire> if I believed I could make a difference and I did nothing...then I am guilty
<reticuli> then dont make these broken famlies out to be victims
<Sapphire> wether or not i succeed is another matter
<reticuli> people make choices, who are you to tell them they are wrong
<Sapphire> young kids and spouses didn't know that the head of their household was eventually going to follow the Zetas did they?
<reticuli> thats not Nancy's fault
<Sapphire> they would be victims
<reticuli> nothing to do with her
<Sapphire> i don't claim it is Nancy's fault--not yet--there hasn't been enough evidence
<Sapphire> for all I know, Zetas are real
<reticuli> most likely the person was unstable, I mean if they liked IRC more than their fmalies would you try to stop IRC
<reticuli> famileis
<reticuli> duh
<reticuli> :(
<Sapphire> there is an expression "sometimes you have to beat the grass to stir up the snakes"
<Jurian> or, its some sort of goverment agency, messing with her mind, to see just how far this can go
<Sapphire> jurian : possible
<Pott> Obviously right about now it's gone far enough.
<reticuli> ?
<reticuli> how so pott?
<Jurian> of course, in that case, I HEREBY GIVE THEM THE FINGER :P
<obany> pott: gee shut up.. you where just waiting to see if you could give a negative comment
<Pott> Things are increasingly unstable for her just a matter of time.
<reticuli> Sapph, what is your problem with nancy, I mean, what is that she says that you find so dubious?
<Sapphire> did you notice that shortly after sep.11 that Zeta message took a turn to the negative
<Sapphire> http://www.skepticalmind.com/zeta_politics.html
<Sapphire> gee, what problem could i have with these statements?
<obany> becuase they have something against Bush etc...
<reticuli> i dont see any problem with them, give me a specefic quote
<obany> I am not a USA citizen, but i am not liking mr Bush
<reticuli> Thus, the US has the Bin Laden crowd not on US soil, and are not calling them prisoner's of war, so they can torture them freely without challenge."
<reticuli> tis true
<reticuli> "If mothers with babes in their arms are shot dead by the FBI, because of the threat of non-payment of taxes to the US Government, then how free are US citizens to speak or think freely?"
<Sapphire> my point, is that Zetas are into extreme politics, they are not neutral, they are not "observers" who wish no interference
<Sapphire> they are not benign
<reticuli> extreme politics?
<reticuli> like?
<obany> and what is wrong with this statement
<obany> "Pollution, emotional deprivation, the dulling of the mind and heart of the man on the street - these are the byproducts of Capitalism"
<Sapphire> since when were mothers with babes in arms shot for not paying taxes?
<Sapphire> and what does it have to do with PX?
<Sapphire> nothing
<reticuli> ruby ridge
<Sapphire> zetas wish to influence minds
<reticuli> so
<Pott> It's not difficult to come up with these sorts of things.
<Sapphire> that's not what happened at ruby ridge
<obany> pott: heheheh pot is a dutch expression for a lesbian :P
<reticuli> lol
<Pott> Nancy seems to be pretty good with comming up with things.
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<FunBot> [IQx[ZzZ]] mooooo
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<IQx> Hey Everyone :)
<Pott> No wonder why they always message me
<Jurian> hey! :)
<IQx> Jurian !
<reticuli> "In the US, the worse polluter in the world, the US, is excused from restrictions, while the rest of the world goes to Kyoto. Such is the supposed leadership of the free world!"
<IQx> =D
<reticuli> so true
<IQx> long time no see, where were you my rebel buddy
<IQx> hya obany :) hows the tea
<IQx> hey Pott, still on the issue ?
<IQx> how are ya everyone else
<reticuli> come on sapphy? so you disagree with the zetas critique of capitalism?
<Pott> It's not hard to pick that shit out ret.
<reticuli> what shit?
<Jurian> IQx: I'm in sweden, long vacation :)
<Pott> It can be made up.
<reticuli> im asking you to give me a quote that is inaccurate
<Sapphire> yes,  maybe religion is responsible for dulling minds...still nothing to do with PX
<IQx> Jurian: Sweet! Sweden.... oh those women
<Jurian> haha
<Jurian> another friend from holland might come over, we'll go chick hunting then :p
<Sapphire> reticuli: quotes are all accurate.  the point is that they are political manipulations
<reticuli> saphhy, you would believe Nancy then if the zetas confined all of their statements to px? why?
<IQx> Jurian: get pics then !
<obany> sapphire: so, should all of zetatalk be about PX?
<IQx> Jurian: but really, women there are amazing I've heard, there and in Norway
<Jurian> I've seen some sexy ones :)
<Pott> reticuli: She might make a good reporter then.
<Jurian> but there's plenty of big women here as well
<Sapphire> i can't speak to what it "should" be.
<obany> Jurian: and you prefer the big ones righ.. :P
<obany> t
<reticuli> maybe sapphire should start his own site, saphhy talk. He could talk about how the aliens are in favor of pollution and the bush junta
<IQx> Sapphire: ZetaTalk's message is more for about PX, but its not all about PX, it has only one section fully about it and the others are an insight to be revealed
<Jurian> obany: I prefer the 19 year old ones actually :p
<reticuli> more americans would like saphhy talk
<Jurian> or 20 ;p
<Pott> reticuli: He already has his own site and it's fairly decent.
<IQx> May we take a look at your website Sapphire ?
<obany> 19 years old, and big :P
<IQx> obany: rofl
<reticuli> yeah, its always easy to critize others than to do your own thing
<Sapphire> zetas are as close to "STS" as you will get
<IQx> Sapphire: what makes you say that ?
<reticuli> saphhy talk
<reticuli> :)
<Sapphire> manipulation, political agenda, anger...
<obany> well his site is called skepticalmind.com ... wich well kinda says something don't you
<reticuli> lol
<Pott> What happens when PX does not pass and Nancy runs away with the sack of cash?
<reticuli> i want  some dirt saphhy, the smoking gun on naancy
<obany> so should a STO be like a mr nice guy ... doh
<Sapphire> perhaps there is no such thing as STO and STS, this is how the cult aspects begin to take over
<IQx> Pott: Nancy doesnt make any money, almost at all - She spends about 30-40% of her time on this, and gets the MOST about 20$-30$ bux a week, (underline the most)
<Pott> I don't believe in STO or STS BS to me i'd rather be neutral.
<IQx> Sapphire: there perhaps isnt, its a very broad generalization
<Sapphire> IQx: exactly.  Life is a lot more complicated
<reticuli> cult? give me a break, how much money has nancy asked from you guys?
<obany> sapphire: mmmmm STO and STS is not typical from Zetatalk ....
<IQx> Sapphire: Indeed
<Pott> IQx: Thats BS her book on Amazon.com sold out and has a sales rank of 4700 apprx
<Sapphire> perhaps that is why people see out absolute sounding material like zetatalk
<Pott> Which is pretty good.
<reticuli> so nancy has no right to write a book?
<IQx> Pott: Aha, did you buy one ?
<Pott> No
<reticuli> pott, why cant she write a book?
<IQx> Pott: She also offers the book as the website, which is updated, much larger and mostly up there
<Sapphire> Mark Hazlewood seems to outsell Nancy
<Pott> Amazon.com Sales Rank: 4,882
<Sapphire> he stole all from her
<Pott> Pretty good
<IQx> Pott: The book is provided for those who dont want to waste 200$ on ink and print out the whole website and want to have a hard copy of the general information provided on ZetaTalk.com
<reticuli> like you would believe her if she did not write a book, you guys are desperate
<obany> the book only contains a well smart part of zetatalk, and has no updates . There is much much more on the zetatalk website then in the book
<Pott> IQx: 14.95 AMERICAN is high for a book of only 200 pages.
<IQx> Pott: If you are in the belief that ZetaTalk.com is purely for entertaining purposes and leads to the buying of the book (which is a fraction of the website) that is simply silly, there so few links to the buying of the book on the whole website - about 0.01% i believe
<reticuli> so?
<Pott> What a rip off if you ask me.
<Sapphire> plenty of profit to go around
<IQx> Pott: Not really
<Sapphire> be back in a couple minutes
<reticuli> saphhy? I assume that you have documented Nancy's lavish lifestyle?
<Pott> Yes really considering there are much larger books that sell less.
<IQx> Pott: Concidering that its not a best seller and that it was published by a not so grand company, by a not so grand author (sorry Nancy, hehe) - it isnt
<reticuli> pott, whats the deal with the book, who cares?
<IQx> Pott: You are getting into economics.. Want to get into that issue ?
<IQx> The Price and Demand Factors, There are 3 Major ones....
<Pott> Not a best seller but a good seller
<IQx> You want me to continue and explain ?
<Pott> If it sold out that is demand.
<Jurian> or very low supply
<Pott> Well the rank speaks for it's self
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<reticuli> pott, who cares about the book, it proves nothing, Its totally irrelevant
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<IQx> that was cool =P
<Pott> Time is her enemy anyways.
<IQx> Indeed
<Pott> Just watch and see.
<reticuli> pott, how is the book relevant?
<IQx> Ofcourse
<IQx> We arent arguing about the issue of PX coming, we are arguing about the book
<Pott> She's made a good amount of money off the book.
<Jurian> you know, if its just for piss off every so-called scientist in this world, I'd like the shift to happen
<reticuli> yes, but I dont see how the book is relevant to her credibility
<Jurian> and I'd like to see the fucked up looks on your face when it does
<IQx> Jurian: Whats the point ?
<Jurian> there isn't really one
<reticuli> :)
<IQx> Jurian: Its just like a millionaire going to a bum-shelter and bragging about his money, there's no point
<Jurian> I just like pissing off the elite :p
<IQx> Jurian: The elite will be far off better than all of us put together at once, ZT makes assumptions, but those guys arent dumb if they are all on top
<IQx> Jurian: Remember, Elites are not only Gangsters who steal from eachother and the world in general, they are possibly very intelligent people
<Jurian> at the start, they'll be better off, yes
<IQx> Jurian: THEY, not us, think of long term before the other
<IQx> Jurian: Thus they wont build facilities with people serving them (like ZT said), they wont simply pack up and enjoy the ride (like ZT said) - Their survival % will be about 70% while all the rest will be %5
<IQx> Well, concidering that they are about 3% of the whole world population, there would be only 1% of the elites =P
<IQx> Ok, time to eat =P
<Jurian> yes, and none of them is going to be willing to do the hard work required to surive in the world a poleshift would create
<Jurian> sure, their technology would help them, for a while
<IQx> I work 14 hours a day and this is my only day off, so I just wanted to pass by and irritate you people
<Jurian> but they cannot hide in their "vaults" forever
<Jurian> haha
<reticuli> where are you from IQX?
<IQx> Jurian: Dont think they will put machines and boilers to do the work for them, they probably read through the whole site also (if they actually accepted this Theory)
<Jurian> he's from the moon
<IQx> reticuli: from or where am I at currently ?
<reticuli> obvisously noit Europe, people dont work that hard there
<reticuli> both
<IQx> from the land of Russia, currently in United States
<Jurian> KILL THE COMMIES!! :p
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<reticuli> ah, you have a great wit
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<IQx> =D
<IQx> reticuli: thanks, I appreciate it
<Jurian> stupid american anti-communist bastards :)
<IQx> Hehe
<reticuli> how long have you lived in the states iq?
<IQx> About 5 years or so
<IQx> By the way everyone, have you heard from Motivez ?
<reticuli> he was here earlier
<IQx> He's here
<IQx> But of his talk and of his issues
<reticuli> no, he didnt say much
<IQx> One sec, let me check the logs
<obany> i know of him .... and his issues ... iqx...
<IQx> obany: What are your thoughts ?
<IQx> Alright fine, everyone is mind-lagging, I'll be off for good
<obany> well he is a bit well skeptical ... not sure what to think
<obany> iqx;??
<reticuli> later, dos vidanya
<IQx> Cya all, Have fun proving eachother why you are wrong !
<Jurian> off for good?
<Jurian> why that?
<IQx> reticuli: lol, pretty good, hehe
<obany> iqx: why????????
<IQx> Jurian: I want to eat !
<Jurian> that's not for good then :p
<IQx> obany: why what ?
<IQx> Jurian: lol, I have to save the mankind, right ?
<obany> i am off foor good ?
<IQx> So ill give the food to... my cat !
<Jurian> IQx: YES :)
<Ogmios> WWF said that finland pollutes a lot
<IQx> obany: wow, did I spell it wrong or something, why is everyone attacking me ?
<obany> I am not attacking you iqx
<obany> come on
<reticuli> WWF? wprld wildlife fund?
<IQx> What ?
<Ogmios> yea
<reticuli> i thought they were fairly green
<IQx> Alright, I'm not irritating no more
<Ogmios> #5 country in world
<reticuli> do you have a link ogmios?
<Ogmios> only finnish
<IQx> I'll Cya later everyone, Enjoy the journey of life :)
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<Jurian> you too :)
<obany> WWF is i a dutch organisation for what i know ...
<Jurian> world wide actually ;p
<Ogmios> finland has small population but they do a lot
<Jurian> WNF is the dutch part
<IQx[OFF]> World Wrestling Federation ! W00F !
<reticuli> lol
<Jurian> WOOHOOO, mailbomb!! :D
<IQx[OFF]> =P
<obany> okay okay Jurian my mistake
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<Jurian> someone just spent a few hours doing that mailbomb shit
<Jurian> they never learn :D
<IQx[OFF]> you souldve said "cleans up the poop in his pop3 box ..."
<Jurian> hehe
<IQx[OFF]> Ok, I gotta take a shower also :( I feel like the PoleShift just passed (stinky and sticky)
<Jurian> lol
<reticuli> ogmios, do you have a link to that WWF story?
<IQx[OFF]> really *OFF* now, cya
<reticuli> ciao
<Ogmios> can found on WWf page i think
<reticuli> ok
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<reticuli> I think sapphire voted for bush
<Sapphire> no, i thought bush was a moron
<Sapphire> but i see he has had speech "training" since then
<reticuli> saphhy? I assume that you have documented Nancy's lavish lifestyle?
<Sapphire> not possible, but we'll see what happens
<reticuli> not possible?
<Sapphire> no evidence
<reticuli> oh, ok. At least we can put that rumor to rest
<Sapphire> it didn't come from me
<reticuli> you should listen up pott
<reticuli> pott thinks that if people write books they are lying
<Sapphire> in a way, most successful books are works of fiction
<reticuli> give me a break, just cuz people like stories does not mean she is lying
<Sapphire> i didn't say that she was lying.  I still haven't figured out what is going on with her
<Sapphire> i have a personal belief, that i cannot prove, of course
<obany> there are even folks who say she is mentaly ill .. and that's a thing i don't buy
<reticuli> why do you call it a conspiracy?
<Sapphire> conspiracy theory
<Sapphire> it is
<Sapphire> doesn't prove its not trut, though
<Sapphire> true i mean
<Sapphire> i believe zetas may be real beings
<Sapphire> just not necesarily what they claim to be
<reticuli> well thats possible
<reticuli> its just that your site is totally negative, which leads me to believe that you are not interested in getting to the truth, merely in proving your point
<reticuli> has't she correctly predicted anything
<Sapphire> the site only shows what Nancy has put on her site and what her supporters have stated, for the most part
<Sapphire> there are no innacurate or imbellished reports
<Sapphire> i didn't put words in anyone's mouth
<reticuli> i never said you did
<reticuli> you did
<Sapphire> if it's "negative" its a reflection upon zetatalk
<Jurian> true, you even updated the bit about me when I asked you to, which I think is a good thing, shows you're not out to lie about the whole deal :)
<Sapphire> i am not out to lie about any part of it, if there are innacuracies which can be pointed out to me I will correct them
<reticuli> I mean, its negative in the sense that it is just reporting on innacuracies
<reticuli> what about the things she predicted?
<Sapphire> zetatalk claims it is 100 percent accurate
<reticuli> I'm asking you if she has ever correctly predicted anything, and if so why is it not on your site?
<Sapphire> i could not find anything which was not a "generalization"
<Sapphire> can you tell me about something specific, I will put it on site
<obany> and the saying that i am responsible for the "cleaing" of the logs ?
<obany> what about that ?
<reticuli> I'm not that fammlair with it, ask obany
<Sapphire> "cleaning" means editing
<Jurian> he doesn't edit them, nancy does
<Sapphire> they are edited, unless you are saying Nancy is actually responsible
<Jurian> the only cleaning he does, is kicking people out of the channel :p
<Sapphire> if so, i will update this
<Sapphire> let me check...hold on a second
<obany> I am channel op/moderator yes ... and kicking and "banning" is what i do
<Sapphire> who edits and posts the irc logs?
<Jurian> nancy, as far as I know
<Sapphire> what does obany say about it?
<[3j]> damn, its getting way to hot to keep up with the rooftop watch for px :(
<Jurian> I suppose i could stick my bot in there, and provide un-edited logs
<Sapphire> i already have unedited logs on my site
<Jurian> ok, won't bother then :)
<Sapphire> 3j: 115 here
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<reticuli> where the hell are you saphhy> phoenix?
<Sapphire> obany:  are you saying that you are not responsible for editing and posting of IRC logs and that Nancy does it hereself?
<[3j]> only 104 here :)
<obany> well i don't edit the logs or so
<Sapphire> 3j: wow phoenix is ussually higher
<Sapphire> you just give them to Nancy?
<Sapphire> tell me, I will change page now
<obany> only one time..last week i did send one too, but she logs the session
<Sapphire> ok, I get it.  I will change page.
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<Jurian> I want my darned satellite internet :D
<obany> Jurian: still no other way??
<Jurian> trying to get my boss to pay for sat internet :)
<obany> :)
<obany> to bad that there is no adsl or so in that area
<Jurian> frikkin expensive setup fee tho, 2100 euro for just the equipment
<Jurian> yeah
<obany> eeeuwwww
<obany> 2100 euro
<obany> aauwsss
<Jurian> 100 euro/month after that
<obany> that's expensive
<Jurian> for 128/512 kbit
<Jurian> its frikking satellite, up AND down, its actually not very expensive
<[3j]> wireless broadband?
<Jurian> yeah
<Jurian> 2 way satellite
<Sapphire> damned that's expensive
<[3j]> 100 euro /m is not bad
<Jurian> yeah, no cable or dsl here, so its the only option I can think of
<Jurian> the setup fee is what's stopping me from getting it myself
<Jurian> the 100euro/month isn't bad at all
<reticuli> where do you live saphhy? 3j?
<Jurian> its the fekking 2100 euro :)
<Sapphire> las vegas
<Jurian> anyway, bbl :)
<[3j]> about 2K US
<[3j]> hmm
<reticuli> i used to live in phoenix, dammed hot there
<[3j]> euro - us pretty close
<Sapphire> almost 1:1 now
<Jurian> yep
<Jurian> anyway, bye! :-)
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<Sapphire> obany: I changed the webpage
<obany> yes i saw, and more about me also :P
<obany> okay brb
<Sapphire> if you want to add your own conter viewpoint you can send it to me and I will post it unedited upon the page
<[3j]> whats the site url
<Sapphire> www.skepticalmind.com/the_players.html
<reticuli> has px ever been spotted?
<[3j]> sapphire, so whats your stand about the entire planet x thing?
<Sapphire> i have no evidence of this
<IQx[OFF]> I made food !
<[3j]> you dont believe it?
<Sapphire> planet x I don't know, Nancy/Zetas I don't believe
<reticuli> has it ever been spotted?
<IQx[OFF]> Sapphire: nice site
<IQx[OFF]> I dont even want to bring mine up anymore
<IQx[OFF]> Its too much to handle, I have 0 hours of time everyday now
<Sapphire> takes alot of time, mine isn't that great (because that takes crap loads of time)
<IQx[OFF]> Ive had a load of visitors on mine, but still, it went down, then i brought it up, then went down again
<IQx[OFF]> A .. (hold on, ill check)
<Sapphire> running own server?
<IQx[OFF]> No, did before though
<Sapphire> the control factor is good when running own
<Sapphire> if your ISP holds up
<IQx[OFF]> 2019547 for now
<IQx[OFF]> and 1571315 pure visitors, if you filter out the BS
<Sapphire> you measure unique IPs?
<IQx[OFF]> Yup
<IQx[OFF]> and no bots, crawlers, reloads, etc
<Sapphire> what's the site about?
<IQx[OFF]> It was about EarthChanges, closely related to ZT, updated with scripts, daily news concerning the changes, some experiments (like growing and eating worms ! yay) and stuff like that
<Sapphire> yeah, that would get some traffic.  Especially if you run a forum or bbs.
<IQx[OFF]> Nah, I had none, forum had like 5 posts, hehe
<Sapphire> oh, cause I always wondered how much forum activity would crash a particular machine
<IQx[OFF]> lol
<Sapphire> i use an old PII 400 MHz but I don't see that kind of traffic
<[3j]> tt sure doesnt have alot of money according to that finance report
<[3j]> how real is that?
<Sapphire> i don't know, but it is within realistic norms from what I have seen
<Sapphire> according to the last board meeting they are charging a definite $5-6 for the survival book now
<[3j]> its kinda funny to see balance sheets etc for trouble times inc when its just chump change
<Sapphire> i believe book sales still go directly to Nancy however
<Sapphire> and I don't have evidence about the flow of money from the Planet X video by Robert Sepehr
<reticuli> yeah, is that unusual?
<Sapphire> which part?
<reticuli> that she ges $$$ from books
<Sapphire> no, that is the norm
<Sapphire> most "paranormal" celebrities have income from books, videos, lectures...
<reticuli> most authors have income from books
<Sapphire> hoagland, ed dames, etc
<reticuli> unless they totally suck
<Sapphire> streiber, stanton friedman
<Sapphire> i don't know which ones "suck"
<Sapphire> a matter of oppinion
<reticuli> well, my point is that when everyone thinks an author suxs then they make no money
<Sapphire> true
<[3j]> weird how plenty of the "players" are .nl
<Sapphire> yes, exactly
<Sapphire> i asked the same question form "a source" and he claimed ignorance of any dutch connection
<reticuli> whats weird about the dutch?
<reticuli> there are a lot of dutch here, I just assumed they liked nancy
<Sapphire> perhaps coincidence that many "players" of .nl
<reticuli> sounds like a conspiracy for your site
<reticuli> ;)
<Sapphire> i attribute it to obany being involved with ZT from beginning, nothing more so far
<Sapphire> also, something about ZT being in a fringe magazine in netherlands
<Sapphire> not to offend, but it could have a connection with political sprinklings found throughout ZT which go to the "left"
<[3j]> zt is very political
<[3j]> on what is written on the webpages..
<[3j]> they should concentrate on writing stuff concerning aliens, not there personal views on the elections, etc
<Sapphire> that was my point on my site
<reticuli> well I think it would be more accurate to state that zt is critical of the powers that be. And since those powers are capitalist then you automatically assume that they are jeft wing
<Sapphire> it seemed to escalate after sep.11
<[3j]> i bet zetatalk got massive traffic post 9-11
<Sapphire> i'm not assuming, I'm just stating that that is where they "fit in" with respect to U.S. politics
<Sapphire> 3j: it probably shot up
<reticuli> yes, well everyhting is left wing when looked through the lens of us politics
<reticuli> gotta go to a work meeting folks, bbl
<Sapphire> i find it interesting that ZT has nothing evil to say about Clinton (who is also considered part of the US elite) but when Bush comes along it is an evil conspriacy
<[3j]> well yeah that was the first apparent thing
<[3j]> which is when i realized the nancy person is deranged
<Sapphire> it has certainly hastened her downfall
<[3j]> theres a downfall?
<Sapphire> i have heard people (post 911 zetatalk) begin to question nancy/zetas whom did not question before
<Sapphire> Zetas should have held their tongue
<Sapphire> too late now, though
<obany> o come sapphire
<obany> come on
<Sapphire> obany:  look at the record, after 911 zetas turned negative in many ways..it turned a lot of people off
<Sapphire> just observation
<[3j]> hey sapphire whats the art bell show
<reticuli> bush is evil
<[3j]> its mentioned on your site..
<Sapphire> my guess: ZT says Bush popularity is all fake, but since it is not, people begin to question
<Sapphire> Art Bell show is a radio show which is on during the late night, pretty much all over the US
<Sapphire> deals with paranormal and fringe science
<Sapphire> I think Cheney is running the show, if anyone is "evil" it is him
<obany> i think bush is evil too... and cheney also ...
<reticuli> why split hairs, that whole junta is evil
<Sapphire> possible, but Cheney has more power and connections than Bush
<Sapphire> Cheney couldn't be "sold" as the President because of his heart condition, so he settled for second best
<Sapphire> behind the scenes power
<reticuli> give me a break, cheney owes his sucess to his alliance with bush
<Sapphire> check the $
<reticuli> the bushes
<reticuli> :)
<Sapphire> Bush income in hundred thousand dollar range
<Sapphire> Cheney income in multi-million dollar range
<Sapphire> Cheney in Haliburton
<reticuli> hey saphhy, as a skeptic what do you think about prescott bush's nazi past?
<Sapphire> possibly spelled wrong
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<[3j]> sapphire is right, cheney is so much richer
<diskcounter> hi, folks
<reticuli> bush doesnt need an income saphhy, he will inherit his money, old money
<Sapphire> cheney in bunker, safe during 911, while bush in public and known location
<Sapphire> think about it
<Sapphire> reticuli: prescott bush, there are some heavy connections here.  Goes to the heart of creation of CIA.
<Sapphire> think about this:  when and why was CIA created?
<reticuli> cheney is a lackey
<reticuli> hi disk
<diskcounter> hi
<reticuli> brb
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<IQx[OFF]> why isnt the topic up all the time
<obany> what do you mean ?
<[3j]> teh cia was created post ww2, prior to that, the cia was the oss
<IQx[OFF]> the topic is empty
<IQx[OFF]> [3j]: Why discuss that, you have no power over it
<obany> nah the topic aint empty ..might be because you are on another server ... that there was a netpslit or so
<Sapphire> when 1947
<IQx[OFF]> oh, alright
<Sapphire> what else happened in 1947?
<[3j]> iqx? i was answering saphires question
<IQx[OFF]> imma go munch on ice cream !
<IQx[OFF]> cya
<[3j]> what else happened in 47
<Sapphire> Roswell happened in 1947
<[3j]> heh
<Ogmios> dangerous year in finland then..
<[3j]> you believe in the roswell thing?
<[3j]> i thought you were sceptical
<Sapphire> not a matter of "belief", check newspapers
<[3j]> with that skepticmind site
<Sapphire> i am skeptical
<[3j]> oh ok i see
<[3j]> i wasnt around to read the newspapers at the time
<Sapphire> newspapers are available from that time,  issues at time says "it happened"
<Sapphire> then CIA come along to say "no, newspapers wrong...weather ballloon"
<Sapphire> check it
<[3j]> well there might be a link
<[3j]> but whats the exact date of the cia start and the roswell incident
<Sapphire> Roswell July 47
<Sapphire> CIA can't remember, have to check
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<Sapphire> http://www.cia.gov/cia/information/bush.html
<Sapphire> not the founding date, but interesting,no?
<Sapphire> dammmned, can't find founding date of CIA except 1947
<Sapphire> used to know, but...
<Sapphire> To accomplish its mission, the CIA engages in research, development, and deployment of high-leverage technology for intelligence purposes.
<Sapphire> from CIA website
<[3j]> yeah
<[3j]> there website is going to be procia of course
<[3j]> they used to have a world factbook, might still be there actually, lots of info in that
<Sapphire> yeah, i just stumbled upon that again, but the exact date of CIA founding appears to be classified
<Sapphire> figures
<Sapphire> what I do know, is that Bush family is CIA connected all the way down the line.  And, that the name Vanevar Bush appears on the list of people in MJ12 documents
<[3j]> who is vanevar?
<Sapphire> documents ZT says are partially true, which seems to pan out
<[3j]> and yeah bush senior was important to the cia..
<Sapphire> bush senior was director of CIA
<[3j]> right
<[3j]> and mj12, thats consipiracy stuff :)
<Sapphire> so something is not right here, regardless of ZT
<Sapphire> Bush name is in MJ12 documents long before any Bush was known in politics...so if it's a conspiracy it goes back decades
<diskcounter> is it an agreement or a conspiracy?
<diskcounter> in the main?
<diskcounter> the ufo thing
<Sapphire> ?
<diskcounter> maybe : it was one of the rules
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<diskcounter> that they didn't tell the world
<Sapphire> i think the intel agencies operate on who "needs to know" basis
<diskcounter> what does that mean?
<diskcounter> you think?
<Sapphire> it means if I have information of X, and I don't think your oppinion is relevant to X then I don't need to tell you anything about X
<Sapphire> standard procedure for intel angencies
<diskcounter> but maybe also ...step by step awakening..
<diskcounter> no kaoss...?
<diskcounter> just a thought
<diskcounter> i don't know
<Sapphire> yes, but from the intel agency perspective, the awakening is only valid as long as the intel agency (CIA) controls the process
<diskcounter> Well, they have the bodies..
<diskcounter> of zeta's
<diskcounter> oke?
<Sapphire> possible
<diskcounter> counsil of worlds would immediatly destroy it..???
<diskcounter> shift it
<diskcounter> maybe thats the better word
<diskcounter> if the whole world... gets upset about it..
<Sapphire> I don't know that there is a "council of worlds", this is only ZT view
<reticuli> it goes beyond zetatalk saphhy, its is a grand conspiracy
<reticuli> ;)
<Sapphire> yes, of course
<diskcounter> it would be too much interference...
<diskcounter> but that's what i have think about it...
<diskcounter> just thoughts
<diskcounter> thats all..
<Sapphire> that is the biggest contradiction of ZT.  On one hand they are not allowed to interfere, but on the other hand they wish to interject their comments and interfere
<[3j]> yea
<Sapphire> ZT at first says Enron debacle is result of their help, then later says they gave absolutely no interference
<Sapphire> can't be both ways
<Sapphire> check it on zetatalk.com
<[3j]> i remember reading when theenron stuff started, never saw anything claiming zetas were in it
<Sapphire> As it happened, the humans within the New MJ12 effected this, by a computer snafu whereby information supposedly deleted was instead mailed and broadcast. This was done by humans hands, and thus we, the Zetas, did not interfere.
<Sapphire> Worldcom was an assisted disaster, as others have been since Enron and will be in the future
<diskcounter> hi, reticuli
<reticuli> hey
<Sapphire> Shuffled in among papers leaving the building, perhaps left in the copy machine, perhaps in the printer, perhaps printed in error and routed incorrectly, all is unknown! But the means was not something the Worldcom conspirators did, by accident or oversight. The means was assisted by we, the Zetas, an allowed interference granted by the Council of Worlds, to balance choices during this Transformation time in the US.
<diskcounter> So , that's why i am intrested...
<reticuli> ic
<diskcounter> one of the reasons
<diskcounter> i mean
<Sapphire> So, on one hand Zetas say non-interference, on other hand Zetas help corporate scandle make it to the main stream news
<Sapphire> can't have it both ways
<reticuli> why not?
<diskcounter> and a sort of hope...
<reticuli> they are aliens, they can do what they want ;)
<Sapphire> why not -- because Zetas seem able to interfere when they wish-- no "council of worlds"
<Sapphire> and what does economic sleight of hand have to do with PX?
<reticuli> you should ask them on saturday
<Sapphire> Answer:  Because it is the "new" thing in the news, and perpetuates ZetaTalk website
<Sapphire> to stay current, so to speak
<diskcounter> If you read a lot of ZT ,you go also talking like NancyL...FUNNY
<diskcounter> Use the same words..
<diskcounter> funny ..SO TO SPEAK
<Sapphire> probably, it's some sort of disease?
<diskcounter> hehe
<diskcounter> hihi
<reticuli> whats wrong with that, so far people seem to be saying that for this to be true nancy cannot write a book or talk about anything other than px,
<Sapphire> not exactly, its just odd that aliens from another world and dimension are so enthralled with the political nuances of present day earth
<Sapphire> and so passionate and "angry" with these politics
<reticuli> If they are here to communicate with us then it seems that they would talk about things that matter to people
<diskcounter> let me say : i speak for myself
<Sapphire> so, would you trust the political rantings of someone who has never walked in your shoes, or on your planet, or in your same "dimension"?
<reticuli> their "anger" is a reflection of the crime humanity is perpetuating against the environement and our fellow human being
<reticuli> if you had their perspective you would be critical too
<Sapphire> and how can they consider our actions a "crime" against our planet if this is not their planet?
<obany> and then again Bush and his homeboys don't seem to care about the enviroment
<Sapphire> UNLESS it is, in fact, their planet and they are really from another dimension.  The rest of ZT being crap.
<reticuli> in much the same way that the state considers child abuse to be abuse no matter what house its in
<Sapphire> reticuli: good point
<reticuli> do you think they are demons sapphire?
<reticuli> spirits?
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<Sapphire> I think that demons/spirits are a over-simplification of what they really are
<Sapphire> we don't know what they really are
<Sapphire> so they play the roles they think we will identify with
<obany> well i believe they are aliens, don't think they are playing any role
<reticuli> could be both
<diskcounter> there is always a deamon on the server (joke)
<diskcounter> hehe
<diskcounter> hihi
<diskcounter> the technical
<diskcounter> ask...
<Sapphire> i'm on a journey to find out "what" they are
<diskcounter> sirgrim????
<reticuli> you'll never know
<Sapphire> but, I believe they are real
<diskcounter> software  i mean
<diskcounter> don't worry
<Sapphire> i'll never know?  Maybe.  But, I have a lot of years left to try
<diskcounter> or am i wrong??
<diskcounter> Well, folks the time..
<diskcounter> I just gave the call to the zeta's to appear above holland with their ship..
<diskcounter> We , will see...
<diskcounter> I hope
<reticuli> yeah, well look at the past 50 years of ufology> whatever they are they are firmly in control of what we know. You can even look at religion. The only way we will know is if they change their longstanding policy of subterfuge. I believe that we are not capable of understanding anyway
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<Sapphire> since most of our "encounters" with them seem to be in the non-waking hours, I tend to believe that they cannot manifest physically in our world at this time
<Sapphire> not by choice, but due to some technilogical problem
<reticuli> thats zetatalk no?
<Sapphire> yes, that's zetatalk
<Sapphire> but reasons are different, and not necessarily true
<Sapphire> if I
<Sapphire> "cant" do something I would much rather have it look like I "wont" do something
<Sapphire> so my ability is not questioned and I retain my aura of "technilogical superiority"
<reticuli> well what about all the saucer sightings, those look real?
<reticuli> material
<diskcounter> Have a nice stay here, I quit with this IRC session for now. Good night/morning. Bye Bye
<Sapphire> saucer sightings are "visual
<reticuli> i see your point though, but I dont agree with your premise that they cannot appear fully physical
<Sapphire> aliens sightins are all "visual"
<diskcounter> Bye
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<Sapphire> maybe they can manifest physical, but it is analogous to our Apollo program
<reticuli> frankly I believe that they fear us, we are very violent
<Sapphire> they don't have resources to keep it up. so the rest is simulated
<Sapphire> for now
<reticuli> are you speaking of abductions?
<Sapphire> and they lie and say "we could do it everyday but we don't choose to do so" etc.
<Sapphire> reticuli: abductions, yes in a way.  We are like tigers to them.  Would you go into the cage with a tiger and close the door behind you?
<reticuli> what do you think they are doing to us?
<Sapphire> still trying to determine that
<Sapphire> but it seems to do with influencing our perceptions of them
<reticuli> I mean, if its a simulation then it has no effects?
<Sapphire> if enough of us sympathize with them, they are more safe when they do physically arrive
<Pott> Or perhaps our perceptions of them are influenced by the whole enigma it's self.
<[3j]> i think most americans sympathize with the idea of aliens
<[3j]> considering all the alien movies
<[3j]> shows, talk, etc etc
<Sapphire> 3J: yes that makes sense so far
<[3j]> when aliens do come no one is going to think, oh its martians they will invade us!
<reticuli> if they wanted us to sympathize why attack the US and capitlaism
<[3j]> such as how people would of thought 50 + years ago
<[3j]> your referring to nancys politcal messages on zt?
<Sapphire> it is what our leaders think.  They have the finger on the button.
<reticuli> yes
<Pott> 3j: You must also look at what reasons aliens would have to contact us.
<reticuli> the most obvious is that we are a threat
<reticuli> to them
<[3j]> i doubt it
<reticuli> why did they start coming in 1947
<reticuli> ?
<Sapphire> you could invade if you had the resources, but its much simpler to rot the enemy from within, turn people upon their own leaders first
<Pott> Unlikely as we don't even know what threats exist in the Universe.
<[3j]> ufo's have been sighted way before 1947 reticuli
<Sapphire> our nuclear experiments/weapons may have alerted them to our presence
<Sapphire> before, they might have overlooked us
<reticuli> yes, thats understandable, howver the modern phenomemon of UFO sightings started within two weeks of one another in eastern Washington and new mexico
<Jeremy> 1947 i.e. Roswell is reagrded as the beginning of the modern UFOlogy period
<reticuli> what was happenning in those places then
<Sapphire> nuclear weapons
<reticuli> exactly
<Sapphire> hanford and roswell
<reticuli> if they are interdimensional, it is posssible that nuclear power/weapons are a real threat to their world or way of life
<Pott> Sapphire: Unlikely as well I would suspect judging by our ambitions the discovery of a another living planet would be extraordinary I believe our planet would be subject to such investigations.
<Sapphire> yes, very possible
<reticuli> we understand little
<reticuli> hi jeremy
<Sapphire> reticuli: that doesn't mean they aren't our enemies
<obany> Jeremy: you there or ?
<reticuli> of course it doesnt
<reticuli> howevr it does mean that we can change, and reduce the threat
<Jeremy> obany: hi, yes hanging in here
<Sapphire> yes, in the nuclear case, we can , and are
<reticuli> it would mean that they were acting in their own defense
<reticuli> what do you mean "we are"
<[3j]> perhaps that is exactly why there is no invasion, because of the nuclear arms
<[3j]> obviously if wed be invaded i think the leaders would push the button and blow everything up
<Jeremy> hi reticulli and everyone else
<[3j]> so yeah it does make sense to try other means
<Sapphire> "we" US and Russia are reducing nuclear arsenals
<reticuli> there are nuclear plants all over the planet , and bush wants more
<reticuli> no they arent
<reticuli> thats propaganda
<[3j]> so what if were reducing it, the fact is we still got nukes
<[3j]> pakistan and india has some
<[3j]> china, israel
<reticuli> oh boy, so we have a suicide defense
<[3j]> france? germany uk?
<[3j]> thats lots of nukes..
<reticuli> yes, and the new treaty is a farce
<Sapphire> we should never eliminate the "nukes".  It is our defense of last resort.
<reticuli> they are moving them into storage
<Sapphire> judging by what happened to the "american indian" I fully support a nuke-based "suicide-defence
<reticuli> When powell went to pakistan last year he gave a message to the ISS to deliver to taliban "we will use tactical nukes"
<[3j]> it is a defense of sort, i doubt anyone would enjoy invading an overradiated planet
<Sapphire> it is the ultimate deterent, and if it doesn'
<Sapphire> if it doesn't work, it won't matter
<[3j]> well anyway this is assuming that aliens have an agenda to INVADE :)
<reticuli> well my point saphhy is this, the zetas may not give a shit about invading, but they might destroy us if the weapons that we have are killing them presntly
<reticuli> or the power plants
<[3j]> what about the idea that some aliens may just wish to communicate/trade/learn
<Sapphire> 3j: they won't have to invade if ZetaTalk is 100 Percent success
<Sapphire> that's the point
<Sapphire> use only minimal resources
<[3j]> its still an invasion of sorts, regardless zetatalk will never be 100% success
<Pott> I really think if the Aliens wanted to invade they would have colonized this Planet a long time ago.
<[3j]> yup me too
<Pott> That is definatly a notion completely out of context.
<Jeremy> I've thought that for a long time too
<Sapphire> they might not have "discovered" this planet until the first bomb went off in 1945
<Pott> We're probably protected by laws we don't even know exist yet.
<Sapphire> pott: possible
<Pott> The nature of contact will most likely be diplomatic for the most part.
<Jeremy> Pott: Like the ones The Council Of Worlds upholds, as per ZT?
<reticuli> well imagine this, assume that the zetas are way more advanced, and they are able to manipulate time, or thy live outside the time stream we do, if thats the case then time is of no concern for them
<Pott> Jeremy: Similar but perhaps not as explained
<Sapphire> history says negotiations will only remain diplomatic when both "sides" have the equal ability to inflict mass casualties upon one another
<[3j]> thats because of greed sapphire
<Sapphire> if we become too far behind, we are screwed
<[3j]> what if the aliens we encounter dont care about resources, territory
<Sapphire> maybe they want our "souls
<[3j]> youd have a very benevolent people
<Sapphire> ZT talks along these lines
<Pott> Sapphire: There is much to learn within us as well.
<Sapphire> man is still attempting to understand his own operation
<Pott> Sapphire: Your soul is something you just don't toss around ;)
<Sapphire> biological/spiritual
<Pott> Sapphire: What about the people that do understand their own operation?
<reticuli> what does zt say about souls?
<Sapphire> we don't know what "soul" is exactly but ZT claims they know
<reticuli> thats true
<reticuli> we are blind to our souls
<Pott> Sapphire: Perhaps the level of understanding the concept requires one to be at the level of the concept it's self.
<Jeremy> The Zetas understand the purpose of the soul, but not the matter it is made out of i.e. the stuff of souls
<Sapphire> how do you know that the "soul" is not the entire objective of ZT efforts?
<reticuli> i believe it is saphhy
<Jeremy> Sapphire: ZT has said that the efforts of both STS and STO aliens are geared towards the soul; in the case of STS aliens they want to recruit STS souls to their ranks apparently
<reticuli> what do you thinks of strieber saphhy?
<Sapphire> angels and demons
<Sapphire> stieber, without meeting hime I can't know anything further
<Sapphire> hime=him
<reticuli> well, I was more interested in what you thought of his books?
<Jeremy> After days and days of rain, we finally get a clear starry night here
<reticuli> whitley strieber
<reticuli> how was the dancing?
<[3j]> wish the rain would get here..
<Jeremy> where r u 3j?
<[3j]> az
<Sapphire> i've read the "alien" related books, seen the movie "wolfen".  Nothing stands out right now in regards to Zt
<Jeremy> 3j: oh, been there before: Flagstaff
<reticuli> it seems pretty relevant to me, considering he is speaking of the same beings presumably
<Jeremy> 3j: Have you visited the Flagstaff observatory; that's where Pluto (the original Planet X) was discovered
<Pott> Sapphire: You have so many questions but get no answers.
<Sapphire> reticuli:  again.  I belive the aliens referenced by Strieber exist.  I am stil questioning their motives and their true nature.
<Sapphire> Pott: that'
<reticuli> whitley was told, in response to his question "why are you doing this" , "We recycle souls"
<[3j]> jeremy, nope... didnt know pluto was discovered out in flagstaff
<Sapphire> that's the nature of the beast
<Jeremy> 3j: Yeah by Clyde Tombaugh, an amateur astronomer from Kansas. It was a long and exhaustive search to find it
<[3j]> yup so i read.. also long search even after the discovery
<reticuli> He also discusses cases where people see and feel aliens
<reticuli> that would make them physical anyway
<Pott> Sapphire: Maybe one day you'll learn that that nature is defined by oneself.
<Sapphire> I've never heard of a Physical manifestiation of the aliens...not that it concludes anything
<reticuli> I just told you about a case where one was physically manifested, go check it out
<Sapphire> but "they" I believe are real
<Sapphire> reticuli: what case?
<reticuli> he has spoken about it on  the radio, there was a film crew staying with him in his cabin in upstate newyork and one of the guests touched one
<reticuli> it was witnessed by multiple people
<Sapphire> can you give me a link
<reticuli> hold on
<Sapphire> be back in a couple minutes
<obany> he also wrote about it in his book breaktrough ... the knocking sound
<reticuli> yes I remeber that
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<reticuli> ok, saphhy here it is http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/?id=11
<Sapphire> ok, i'll check it now
<reticuli> you may have to find the radio program or read breakthrough for more details
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<Sapphire> Whitley Strieber was asleep in a hotel room in Toronto when he was awakened by knocking at the door.
<Sapphire> here we go again, "asleep
<obany> hoi Michel en teruste Michel ...
<Sapphire> how do we know he ever woke up during this visit
<reticuli> he took notes
<Sapphire> again this fits, zetas can't manifest physically
<obany> gnite
<reticuli> http://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/articles/cabin.phtml
<Sapphire> awakened in the middle of the night
<Sapphire> that is "key" to this report
<Sapphire> and...
<reticuli> the problem with your argument is that its impossible to refute, no matter what physical evidence is available you can explain it away as an illusion
<Sapphire> It was from this bed that Whitley was taken at approximately three in the morning of the 26th.
<reticuli> or some kind of projection through space
<Sapphire> it was from this bed...he was asleep
<Sapphire> i'm not saying it wasn't real
<reticuli> Her eyes are still swollen from her allergic reaction.
<reticuli> thats pretty physical
<Sapphire> i'm just saying that "they" CANNOT manifest physically in our world
<Sapphire> technological problem
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<reticuli> yes, but when confronted with photos you will say that they are holographic projections or something
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<Sapphire> people can't walk because of "psychological problems"
<Sapphire> proves nothing regards aliens
<Sapphire> no, i won't disregard phots--if they are clear and real
<reticuli> you have no evidence for your argument
<reticuli> that they cannot manifest physically
<Sapphire> you have no evidence that they can physically manifest, neither do I or I would tell you about it
<Pott> reticuli: We don't know that
<reticuli> well I have enough evidence to convince myself, but probably not you ;)
<Sapphire> there was a time when I "wanted" to believe
<Pott> However evidence suggests that most abductions are non-physical visions.
<Angelic> is this a 'who-can-speculate-in-a-most-logical-manner-contest' you both are having? :)
<reticuli> there was a time when I thought all this was a crock
<reticuli> lol, yes angelic
<Sapphire> I just have seen no evidence of "physical" manifestation
<Pott> It probably all is a crock for the most part.
<reticuli> you have seen no photos?
<Pott> What good are photos when even they are debated?
<reticuli> its evidence
<reticuli> especially real photos with negatives
<Pott> I've reverted to a method of ignoring everything out there.
<Pott> Theres so much to pick from and most of it is fake or disinformation.
<reticuli> good for you
<reticuli> :)
<reticuli> yes this is tru
<reticuli> lots of disinfo
<Pott> Theres better ways of understanding things primarily yourself.
<Sapphire> Look, I've had first hand experiences with what you are calling "aliens", BUT none of these experiences were of a PHYSICAL nature
<reticuli> define physical
<reticuli> like in your waking hours
<Sapphire> physical:  In your face in a conscious state, not in bed, not assleep, where you can actually touch and interact with at least one other person present who is awake
<reticuli> have you ever been abducted with another person who remebers?
<Pott> Sapphire: There is a state however that is between the physical world and non-physical.
<Pott> Sapphire: In that state it is possible for non-physical to overlap the physical.
<Pott> Effectivly what I call a dual perception.
<Pott> Maybe I oughta shut-up probably over your head anyways.
<Sapphire> reticuli:  I have memory which supports you word "abduction".  The real thing.  However, I cannot vouch for Nancy or her "Zetas"
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<Sapphire> Pott: not over my head at all, if you only knew the "stuff" that I've experienced.  You probably wouldn't believe some of what I know to be true. However, Zetas are still liars
<Anonymous> Hello Sapphire
<Sapphire> hello
<Pott> Sapphire: Want to go over it with me in privmsg to avoid any scrutiny?
<Anonymous> Could you tell us something a little mindblowing?
<Sapphire> pott: no problem, but better make it email as I am abou to go to bed
<Pott> We
<Anonymous> Aw, c'mon. I've just arrived, and was hoping to learn some interesting stuff.
<Pott> We'll talk another time the Universe is infinite in everyway anyways ;)
<Anonymous> Are there any PX-2003 believers here?
<Pott> I don't see it happening.
<reticuli> sapphire, take it easy
<Anonymous> Me neither, but I was wondering how prevalent believers are.
<Pott> Theres probably more money to be made from it than lost hehe.
<reticuli> brother!
<reticuli> not that again
<Anonymous> My sentiments exactly. I was dismayed to see Mark Hazelwood promoted on the David Icke site.
<Anonymous> Not what again?
<Pott> What is the real deal on Nancy/Zetas?
<Pott> Nancy Lieder is mentally ill: 46.77%
<Pott> Nancy Lieder is a con-artist: 37.10%
<Pott> Nancy Lieder speaks the truth: 16.13%
<Pott> Putting a lot of heat on her with that Poll.
<Anonymous> I can imagine.
<Pott> Especially putting "con-artist" up there... hopefully the cops see that.
<Anonymous> I said on the Yahoo PX-2003 debate group that PX-2003 could be one of the shortest lived apocalyptic cults in all of history.
<Sapphire> we'll see how this ends up in may 2003
<Anonymous> Yep.
<Anonymous> a
<Anonymous> Anybody familiar with David Icke?
<Angelic> here here
<Pott> I think at the present time our greatest enemy is ourselves not some stupid planet.
<Anonymous> That's what the cartoon character Pogo said decades ago.
<Anonymous> "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
<Angelic> David Icke is overboard
<Pott> I can accept that apocalyptic events can happen in ways such as Asteroid or Comet impacts but major ones seem to be on the tens of millions of years basis plenty of time for recovery and evolution to unfold.
<Anonymous> Mark Hazelwood is inciting fear and flight wherever he can. It's annoying to me that he's willing to be so irresponsible merely for attention and book sales.
<Angelic> Pott, want to discuss mammoths again? ;)
<Anonymous> Eskimos still  eat old frozen mammoths when they find them. They taste like chicken.
<Angelic> has that been scientifically proven?
<Pott> Ahhh well not many frozen ones have been found less than 50 I believe it is so another possibility is that these mammoths found themselves in an unfortunate position.
<Sapphire> Mark Hazlewood implimented the plan I only "thought about" a few years ago
<Anonymous> Not at all. Merely an old hearsay thing, but cute.
<Angelic> Pott, 40, the last time you mentioned that :)
<Anonymous> Which plan is that?
<Pott> It is well known they were equipped for cold climates and they're digestive track is rather strong.
<Sapphire> If Nancy claims "Zetas" said everything on her site.  It is very difficult to defend copyright on this material in court without admitting that Nancy (not Zetas) came up with all of this
<Pott> Strong enough to digest pine cones. That would suggest they were well eqipped to eat many different kinds of plants.
<reticuli> actually thats not true saphhy, JZ knight sucessfully sued someone who wrote a ramtha book
<Pott> Even in cold tundra climate any plant matter they find should be digestable.
<Anonymous> I see, Sapphire. Good point. He called her bluff.
<Anonymous> Just wait'll a spaceship lands at the courthouse.
<reticuli> lol
<Sapphire> i don't know about ramtha, but hazlewood has gotten away with it
<Pott> Enough of the Mammoths.
<Pott> Flash frozen idea is silly you would need temperatures as cold as space to have that effect.
<reticuli> whats the deal with hazelwood?
<Sapphire> i thought about doing it myself, except, I'm not into dishonesty and the personal affects--family breakups etc.
<Anonymous> He's hawking a book called "Blindsided" which predicts a 2003 Nibiru pass. Nancy is accusing him of profiteering.
<Angelic> so we can all copy texts from zt now? she won't sue anyways as the material is not from her but fromt he zetas, though she did herself put it up there, and it was her idea, she has once stated, to put it all in a website and expand on it.. not that I see why one would want to copy text from zt unless it was to show the nonsense
<Pott> Sapphire: Well done on the skepticalmind I hope in years to come you maintain it to expose the kooks of society =)
<Anonymous> David Icke, who believes many govt types are shapeshifting reptilian aliens, is promoting a Hazelwood speaking engagement now.
<Sapphire> pott: you can count on it 100 percent
<Angelic> hmmmm, but it can be shown that hazlewood has based the content on zt right?
<Pott> Sapphire: By then you'll be able to write a book on public manipulation.
<Sapphire> that's part of MY plan :)
<Anonymous> Well, Hazelwood claims to extrapolate from Sitchin and other sources.
<Angelic> wow surprise there sapphire
<Angelic> NOT
<Pott> Sapphire: It's only a matter of time before another stupid idea pops up and shit hits the fan.
<Angelic> well, nice motivation there
<Angelic> at least you don't lie to sell in future, I guess ;)
<Pott> He'll have a lot to write about.
<Anonymous> Y'know, I do wonder about the psychological undercurrent of foreboding in our culture that allows all this stuff to flourish.
<Anonymous> I wonder if 9/11 exacerbated a generalized existential angst.
<Angelic> dissatisfaction
<Anonymous> The need for escape from mundanity is a favorite theme of mine.
<Anonymous> I also believe that a world population scheduled to hit 9 billion by 2042 according to WHO and U.S. Census Bureau could have something to do with it.
<Anonymous> Technological connectivity in transportation and communication in a world filled with disparities of ideology and distribution of wealth also figures in.
<Anonymous> Seems like major change is closer than the horizon, and I wonder if this is not coming into an awareness of the collective consciousness/unconcious.
<Angelic> a planned change
<Anonymous> Oops....that's unconscious
<Anonymous> Yes, but by whom?
<Sapphire> Anonymous: 911 seems to have exacerbated the affect of zetatalk "big-time".  But there are BIGGER changes on the horizon.  U.S. government is set to undergo BIG changes in future.
<Sapphire> but don't tell anyone I said so
<Anonymous> Is there a central authority? Are there multiple competing entities?
<Anonymous> Who's controlling the NWO movement? CFR, Round Table, Vatican, Bilderberg, Illuminati?
<Angelic> sapphire you're not saying anything really, and change can always be expected sooner or later ergo "in the future"
<Anonymous> Are entities competing? After all, there's no honor among thieves.
<Sapphire> Hypothetical:  If there were a enemy external to the Earth, what would make sense?  Nations solidifying authority to bring about a single commmand structure to oppose this enemy in force.
<Sapphire> notice how ZT is totally against an NWO (single command authority) on Earth.
<Anonymous> Reagan spoke of an outside threat unifying mankind. Assuming religion has failed to unite humans under one authority, could they instead opt to fake an outside alien threat?
<Anonymous> For example, could crop circles be a technology trick to create mystique?
<Pott> Anonymous: Or to make money.
<Angelic> Sapphire, you're very pro-globalization and right winged politics it seems, is this so? and if so, why?
<Anonymous> Has anyone heard of the Global Nation movement/website?
<Anonymous> Supposedly, Amadeus Indiana Rockefeller (assuming he exists) is pioneering that from Australia.
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<Anonymous> For the moment, I just assume that everything has to do with money and control obsessions.
<Sapphire> I don't consider myself "right wing".  BUT, given the possibility of the Zeta (alien) reality, I can see how we could be more easily conquered if we were divided under many differing governments.
<Anonymous> I always picture Joel Grey as the master of ceremonies in Cabaret singing "Money Makes The World Go Around".
<Pott> nnl
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<Anonymous> nnl?
<Anonymous> Sorry, not literate in all internet TLAs.
<Anonymous> Pott: What's "nnl" mean?
<Angelic> Sapphire, to the contrary, a one world government, with one system, one center of control, would be an easier target as all things of importance for governing the masses and control can be found in this power-center of such a one world government.. take them and you take the world
<Anonymous> Angelic: A global govt could have decentralized offices.
<Angelic> anonymous, that's one governing power
<Angelic> one system
<Angelic> not many to overtrow
<Anonymous> Yes. My problem with a global govt is that it would be impossible for humans to overthrow if it was corrupt and tyrannical.
<Angelic> anyways, the point is, globalization will in fact end in a world where each citizen is archived in a database, where rights can be taken away at will and no other country or government will be able to act against this nwo because there nolonger would be another government of another system.. it's totalitarianism in a new set of clothing
<Anonymous> That's what I just implied.
<Angelic> yes, I was typing and you posted your text already :)
<Anonymous> At least in WWII, there were multiple powers to pit against each other. There will be no checks and balances with the NWO.
<Angelic> wanteds to show you we see the same problem with a one world government
<Anonymous> Yep. I agree. Way too much centralization of money and power.
<Sapphire> I don't support the NWO, UNLESS it is approved by the majority of population
<Angelic> sorry, that's ridiculous
<Angelic> the majority of the population are grown up to think like sheep and believe the news and other official expressions through the media
<Anonymous> So why should the poor of the world, who already know that the U.N. doesn't do any good at getting them their piece of the pie, vote for giving more money and power to those who are already grabbing it all up.
<Angelic> next to that, you don't support something now, but if the majority supports it you will, too.. now what's that? a strong personality?
<Sapphire> the poor of the world, will remain the poor of the world no matter what anyone attempts
<Anonymous> Jeffersonian democracy is based on an educated electorate, not the brainwashed propagandized masses.
<Anonymous> Sapphire -  What? How can you say that? Why is improvement of the third world not possible?
<Sapphire> question is:  once you reach 250 million + people, good luck ensuring all are educated.  The "jeffersonians" didn't anticipate this.
<Anonymous> Well, rapid population growth is one of the reasons I'm a pessimist.
<Sapphire> improvement of the "third world".  The problem is that our version of "improvement" is their version of "screw you".  They will not accept our way of life.
<Anonymous> The U. N. had pioneered "appropriate technology" programs designed to give communities what would work for them. I liked that idea. Another big problem is totalitarian dictators who refuse to take care of their people even while donated grain rots on ships at the docks.
<Anonymous> Ethiopia was a case in point.
<[3j]> those a luneys
<Anonymous> I am now 41 years old. I have believed for a long time now that I would see "travesties of man's inhumanity to man" which would lead to incomprehensible numbers of deaths in my lifetime. I believe that now very strongly. I think there is an awareness of something like this developing in the collective consciousness or zeitgeist.
<[3j]> if a nwo would come to pass it would be by some group that obviously got the support of the people!
<Angelic> anonymous, couldn't agree more with the latter
<Anonymous> Why obviously? Why not by hook or by crook?
<Anonymous> Yes, but how could they get the support of the people? By deliberately inducing chaos, as Kissinger has implied?
<Anonymous> If things get bad enough, will people be more and more willing to sacrifice freedom and rights for security?
<Anonymous> Could not circumstances conducive to such things be deliberately fabricated?
<Sapphire> As more people (worldwide) get a taste of  western life, they will embrace it.  Religious extremist countries will die out.
<Angelic> quite
<Anonymous> Is there sufficient time for such a dynamic to take place?
<Angelic> and hopefully they will embrace it with wisdom, using our mistakes to learn from and avoid polution and other less positive effects of capitalism.. if done the right way, capitalism can grow into something very beneficial
<Anonymous> The American lifestyle is very wasteful, and there is no sign that we will share it worldwide. Heck, we don't even share it with neighboring Mexico. How can the western lifestyle spread to the middle east if it can't spread to Mexico?
<reticuli> western lifestyle= road to alientaion
<reticuli> ;)
<Anonymous> Mexico City's pollution is far worse than ours, because they don't require catalytic converters on cars. That's the world's most populus city.
<Sapphire> the wasteful aspects of the american lifestyle are about to come to an end.  Resources demand this.
<reticuli> capitlaism is the mechanism of colonialsm
<Sapphire> eventually, a balance will be achieved.  But, however, with all things American, nothing gets changed until there is an extreme action.
<Anonymous> Easy to say. Hard to implement. How will it come about. Sounds like trauma is required.
<Anonymous> "We stole countries through the cunning use of flags." - Eddie Izzard.
<Angelic> there is enough trauma already, you do not see it?
<Sapphire> trauma is always required in American history
<Anonymous> It will have to increase exponentially to bring about the type of change Sapphire is implying.
<Sapphire> it probably will increase exponetially, but regardless of "zetas"
<Sapphire> trauma will have to increas INSIDE USA to achive a change
<Anonymous> The World Wildlife Foundation out this week cites American per capita resource consumption as 24 times that of some African countries. England is about 6-8 times.
<Sapphire> true
<Anonymous> By what methods? Natural? Man made? Economic?
<reticuli> thats why population is not the real problem
<reticuli> its resource consumption
<Anonymous> No. The lack of sharing and equitable distribution is the problem.
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<Pott> Nancy debate for one thing helped this channel.
<Anonymous> Reticuli - I was agreeing with you.
<Angelic> can one serve two masters? you better serve the common good, be this supported by government officials or the common man on the street, right?
<Anonymous> Huh?
<Sapphire> if you don't serve the common good, eventually you will be destoryed no matter who you claim to serve
<reticuli> anon, yes, most people think that population is a threat and they point their fingers at poor nations. When WE are the problem, our lifestyles and ignorance
<Anonymous> Hey Pott, what did "nnl" mean? I don't know all of the TLAs.
<Pott> I ment bbl
<Anonymous> Ah, I see.
<Pott> God seems to be neither good nor evil greater good or do what we know we should be doing.
<Angelic> claim all one want does not make a service but by doing alone with or withou supporting it by claim, but claim alone does nothing but win short lived respect perhaps
<reticuli> thats why I agree with the zetas "anti-america" position
<reticuli> :)
<Anonymous> Reticuli -- I think it's a combo of both our excess consumption and their excess population. Though I fault our greed more.
<Pott> As good as America makes themselves seem they sure have caused more grief than good.
<reticuli> well I would have to say that the overpopulation takes place as a result of the poverty that we enforce on the 3rd world
<reticuli> people overpopulate out of necessity
<reticuli> americans consume too much out of greed and avarice
<Sapphire> reticuli:  the funny thing about the "anti-american" position is that Zetas claim to have founded America!
<reticuli> really! :)
<reticuli> do you have a link?
<Anonymous> Americans have to be careful about extremes in isolationism vs. world domination and in arrogance vs. self-loathing. We need to find moderation.
<reticuli> and humility
<Sapphire> not right off hand, but it's there.  I'm just too tired to look it up.
<reticuli> ok, I gotta see this
<Angelic> you owe me one link, too sapphire ;)
<reticuli> me too saphhy
<Angelic> the one where you say the zetas state they can't manifest physically
<Anonymous> I do think America's unique approach to Bill of Rights freedoms is paramount. Checks and balances are also a great contribution.
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<Angelic> hello mike
<Anonymous> Without our freedoms, we wouldn't be able to be discussing this stuff or critiquing the govt. Can't do this in China.
<Sapphire> angelic:  ok, i will find where it says zetas cannot manifest physically since roswell.  It is true.
<reticuli> I believe that the american system has its advantages, however to be truly democratic we need proportional representation
<Anonymous> Well, really, we're not a democracy. We're a constitutional republic. The democratic elements pertain primarily to our electoral processes. The rest is representative.
<mikeaus> they can't leave conscious memories....but can "manifest" physically!
<Angelic> hehe anonymous :) true
<reticuli> i think that we need to have proportional representaion in the lower house
<[3j]> it would be real cheap to transform america to a true democracy
<[3j]> all that would be needed is a small elected body, and a nation wide goverment fibernetwork, and a terminal for every household
<[3j]> then we could all freely vote on the issues at hand
<reticuli> that would be awful!
<mikeaus> the Bush crowd stole the election-you aren't a republic,you're an autocracy
<reticuli> jerry springer would be prez
<reticuli> :)
<Anonymous> 3J - There's no such thing as a true democracy. That would mean everybody votes on everything. Can't be done. Authority to represent must be delegated at some point.
<Angelic> he'd stage wars, no difference ;)
<reticuli> lol
<reticuli> jerry springer in space
<[3j]> yes everybody would be given the power to vote, doesnt mean everyone has too
<[3j]> then again it could be something forced, as in you wish to be a citizen, you have to vote
<Anonymous> Policing the votes would be impossible. The system would be even more corruptible than what we have now.
<[3j]> of course not, its not a ballot system im talking about
<Angelic> imagine the damage a hacker could do ;)
<reticuli> hehe
<[3j]> its very simple to implement authentication schemes and security measures to prevent any such thing
<Anonymous> Yep. Absolutely.
<Anonymous> Foreign govt ballot stuffing.
<Anonymous> 3J -- Conceivable, perhaps, but not easily implementable.
<Sapphire> ues. a hacker could do sever damage.  But, we would have the same problem as now.  Multi-million dollar advertisements would rule the day
<reticuli> "shit! I cant get online" --- internet service to the hood fails during election
<Anonymous> Propaganda hypnotizing the masses.
<[3j]> well its not a thing about "dialing" in
<reticuli> j/k
<[3j]> and the networks are layed out already across the nation
<Anonymous> Besides, pure democracies are inherently self-destructive.
<reticuli> mob rule
<Angelic> just bann all propaganda ads
<Sapphire> whoever had the most money to convince people, they would win the day in an election
<agentPX_Aw> hi all
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<[3j]> its just a matter for the general populace to face responsibility, or let responsibility fall in the hands of some popular figure who speaks good
<Pott> Angelic: Then you would have to ban all ads
<Angelic> yes
<reticuli> what do you think of propertional representation at the level of the house of representatives anon?
<Angelic> good show Pott, that'd be fun
<Angelic> Hi agentPX :)
<agentPX> hey ang
<Anonymous> 3J - that's "speaks well"
<agentPX> :))
<Angelic> all right?
<agentPX> yeah had a nice day
<Anonymous> 3J - Vote for me. I talks fancy.
<Angelic> well, you're op now, again
<Angelic> fancy nancy
<agentPX> the temperature is cooler because we have lots of forests in fire..
<agentPX> ange: thanx a lot :)))
<reticuli> ANON.  what do you think of propertional representation at the level of the house of representatives?
<reticuli> proportional
<Anonymous> Sorry. Missed it earlier. Proportional how?
<Anonymous> The house is already supposed to be proportional to population.
<mikeaus> it leads to pork barrelling reticuli
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<Anonymous> The senate is two per state.
<reticuli> yes, but this would proportional to the votes per party, like in eurpoe, we have a winner take all system
<Anonymous> That's supposed to create a balance of influence between house and senate.
<Angelic> yes agentPX, I'm such a nice old chap, am I not.. in any case, mind you, I'd rather now take off to the nearest exit of this cyberthingy and penetrate my bedsheets with my entire body. I hope I'll dream of something nice this time instead of that dreaded naked nancy photo hunting me ;)
<reticuli> so if a party got say, 10% of the vote then they would get 10% of the seats
<agentPX> ang: HAHAHAHA
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<agentPX> your joking but i think 2 or 3 nighs ago i dreamed about nancys and all the zetas stuff
<agentPX> was weird
<agentPX> lol
<Anonymous> I see. I'd like to see clearer definition of party values before proportionality of that sort would work. Right now, left and right, liberal and conservative, democrat and republican are terribly muddled.
<reticuli> rather than giving a seat only to the winner and leaving 49% of the population with no voice
<agentPX> it happened because i sleeped just after chatting..
<reticuli> hey gotta go, bye all
<agentPX> so i had probably all the zetas stuff in my mind
<agentPX> bye reti
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<Anonymous> Seems like now there's great confusion as to what makes demicans and republicrats.
<agentPX> any news about nancy, px,  science   , etc?
<Anonymous> We've digressed from global catastrophe and control to generalized politics.
<agentPX> an: yeah i saw that, i dont know pretty much how politics works in the usa
<Anonymous> Where are you?
<agentPX> canada
<agentPX> we are a monarchy
<agentPX> lolllllll
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<Anonymous> Huh? That's part of the US, isn't it?
<agentPX> hmmm
<agentPX> if its a joke it isnt funny :P
<agentPX> if its not well your in the 59% of the americans who think canada is a state of the us
<Angelic> by the way my young friend, agentPX, I have experimented on myself. Before I enter sleepytime I get my two hands together with the palms facing my face. I just look at them for a few seconds. This had oddly enough caused me to remember my dream, alas also the one with dreaded Nancy afore mentioned. I was though incapable of remembering what dream I had when I not had looked to my palms as in the fashion described above. Try it a couple of times
<Anonymous> Y'know, I toured the parliament building in Victoria a few years ago, and never could quite figure out your relationship with British royalty.
<agentPX> angel: wow thats very weird..gonna try it tonight before sleeping.. hope to remember a sexy dreams.. and not a "nancy dream" lolll
<agentPX> anon:  well we dont have any relationship with the british.. its just a tradition..
<Angelic> Anonymous, doesn't one of David Ickes books offer some explanation as to the royal english ties throughout the world? these windsors, according to Ickey rule the globe, but then again, he also claims they are shapeshifting reptilians.
<agentPX> in the state i live we have more french people than english people.. so we would like to break this monarchy.. but peoples in english states like ontario, vancouver. .want to keep it.. so its just a kind of symbol..
<Angelic> lol agentPx :)
<Anonymous> It seemed weird to me to see so many signs of tribute in an independent country. We identify so heavily with our "independence from" Britain. Though we do, of course, acknowledge a cultural and economic affinity.
<Anonymous> I'm assuming then, that you're in Quebec.
<agentPX> an: its because you have to understand its more hard to understand that that,  firstly yes im in Quebec.. so quebec is a french state.. we are the "survivor" of France colonisation.. so yes we want to break the monarchy because we dont like to be affiliate with england.. but the rest of canada is mostly english. .so they want to keep the symbol about the england.. etc
<Anonymous> Actually, I do remember something on the parliament tour implying that certain aspects of govt operation were reported to the crown. Don't know why.
<Anonymous> I once managed to order a hamburger at a Carl's Jr. in Quebec, though the signs were in French.
<agentPX> eh :)
<Angelic> hehe
<agentPX> Anon: we say hamburger here dont worry
<agentPX> :)
<agentPX> i dont live in Quebec actually i live in Montreal which is in the state of Quebec
<agentPX> but there is also Quebec as a city
<Anonymous> Yes, that was in Montreal. I was there for a wheelchair sports event.
<agentPX> sweet :)
<agentPX> how did you liked it ?
<agentPX> are you talking about the championship of paraplegic people?
<agentPX> which was held in montreal 2 years ago i think
<Anonymous> It was fun. I'm a nurse, and was working with quadriplegics.
<agentPX> cool :)
<agentPX> where do you live in usa An?
<Angelic> you are a woman?
<Anonymous> There's an annual sports event there involving events with many sports. Do you know what I mean? I can't think of the event name.
<agentPX> angelic: hehe i couldnt tell she was a female too :P
<Angelic> nure if female right?
<Angelic> nurse
<Anonymous> I live in Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia. I am male.
<agentPX> doH!
<Angelic> ashame
<agentPX> lol
<Angelic> ;)
<Angelic> <---- off to penetrate my bedsheets, stagediving into my bed, though last time I got a blackout when landing ;) goodnight folk, take care. See you next time :) agentPX, you're 'op' now, use the force agent, reach out with your feelings, "feel" the force "flow" through you.. and kick them hooligans while you're at it ciou
<Angelic> bye
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<agentPX> ANON: no i cant remember about the event but i know about what u r talking
<Anonymous> Stop saying "penetrate". It makes me crazy.
<agentPX> its a word
<agentPX> can be used for multiple connotation
<Anonymous> You silly sexists. About 14% of RNs are male.
<agentPX> must have been fun to study in this domain..
<agentPX> lots of girls
<agentPX> i had like 96% of boys in mine
<agentPX> :/
<Anonymous> Strange situation. Nurses are known for being hard on their own, but discrimination seems to work in favor of males in this career field.
<Anonymous> What was yours?
<agentPX> hehehe lucky for you then
<agentPX> computer enginering
<Anonymous> Wish I had gone into that now.
<agentPX> well
<agentPX> there is SOO much job in your domain too
<Anonymous> May still change to computer support field. Nursing's too stressful. Good money for now, though.
<agentPX> come work here if you dont have job
<agentPX> we are missing lots of nurse
<Anonymous> Everybody is.
<agentPX> eh
<agentPX> how old?
<Anonymous> There are nursing shortages everywhere.
<agentPX> didnt knwo.. thought it was in canada only..
<Anonymous> Nobody wants to go into it now. They got wise to the stress and poor working conditions.
<Anonymous> The shortages are international.
<agentPX> thats sad
<agentPX> everyone wants to make more money
<Anonymous> Yes. And it's only going to get worse.
<Anonymous> Well, I would actually work for less money if I knew I could have a reasonable patient load and good working conditions.
<agentPX> yeah but they need you
<agentPX> :p
<Anonymous> They try to replace that with sign on bonuses and high hourly rates, but the nurses just burn out.
<agentPX> they dont want you to work 30-35h/week
<agentPX> hehehe
<Anonymous> Make a mistake under stressful circumstances, and you could be sued or suspended.
<agentPX> yeah i agree..
<agentPX> :/
<Anonymous> Three twelve hour days are nice.
<agentPX> eh
<agentPX> my gf is working 12h a day but only 3-4 days a weeks
<Anonymous> Some places pay 40 hours for 36 hours worked over three twelve hour days. A lot of nurses like that 3 day work week.
<agentPX> about how much days /week do you work?
<Anonymous> It had been a popular thing, but then it got too expensive and it created scheduling problems, so they're trying to get away from it.
<Anonymous> None right now. I had been working private duty in home care with brain and spinal cord injury patients. I'm taking a few months off.
<Anonymous> I decided I don't like working in home care, because it's like you're the little servant step-and-fetch-it.
<Anonymous> The families are pretty neurotic, too, because having a permanently injured family member at home really messes with your head and life.
<agentPX> oh ok i understand
<agentPX> yeah it must not be easy
<agentPX> to deal with injured of handicapped people
<agentPX> this is why i couldnt do it
<Anonymous> BTW, the Defi Sportif is the athletic event I was trying to think of. Had to find the printed T-shirt to remind myself.
<Anonymous> http://www.defisportif.com/
<agentPX> ahhhhhhhhhh
<agentPX> yeah i know what it is :)
<Anonymous> That's where I went for the quad rugby tournament.
<agentPX> maybe ur on the pictures
<agentPX> of the rugby
<Anonymous> No. That was several years ago.
<agentPX> oh ok
<agentPX> i know we won the bronze this year in rugby :)
<Pott> www.yamama.com
<Anonymous> People don't understand how quadriplegics can play rugby. It's played in wheelchairs with a volleyball. They have to roll their chairs between goal posts carrying the ball.
<agentPX> got to go back to work.. talk to ya later anON
<agentPX> must be cool :)
<Anonymous> Pretty neat that they can be that active. Take care.
* Pott would like to see a scrum
<Anonymous> What's a scrum?
<Pott> When they all dive in for the ball
<Anonymous> They do fall out of their chair occasionally, but I've never seen them dive like that.
<Anonymous> They look kind of like struggling turtles when they fall over backward.
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<Anonymous> I had never seen anyone in a wheelchair fall over backward until I went to a rugby practice. I saw one guy fall, and went running over in a hurry. Another nurse chuckled and said, " You're new around here, aren't you?"
<Anonymous> They are strapped in well, and rarely get hurt.
<Anonymous> Wheelchair "rugby" has little in common with regular rugby. That's why the term scrum was unknown to me.
<Pott> www.bumfucked.com
<Pott> www.klatatez.com
<Anonymous> BTW, Pott, yamama.com doesn't really have too much content, does it?
<Pott> Dunno
<Anonymous> And klatatez.com doesn't seem to exist.
<Anonymous> Are you always so helpful in recommending URLs?
<Anonymous> Hey, where'd all the interesting conversation go?
<Anonymous> Guess it left with HostAngelic
<Pott> Yo momma's so fat she sits around the house
<Pott> Yo momma's so dirty if we filtered out her bath water we could sell it as top soil.
<Anonymous> I think I visited this room once before when you were acting this way, Pott. Shortage of life much?
<Anonymous> You may find that you'll develop better socialization skills once you're out of junior high school.
<Pott> Momma jokes are funny
<Anonymous> Disaster jokes are funnier.
<Pott> Lets hear one
<Pott> How about
<Pott> Ya momma so ugly she makes Nancy look good.
<Anonymous> Why didn't the Challenger astronauts shower before their mission?
<Anonymous> They figured they'd wash up on the beach.
<Anonymous> When you've seen too much suffering, sometimes the weird stuff sticks in your mind.
<Anonymous> Take care, folks.
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<agentPX_Aw> see
<Pott> Cheezy
<Pott> Chanserv you suck
<agentPX_Aw> hehehehe
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<Pott> sheesh
<Pott> Can't stop farting
<agentPX_Aw> farting is cool
<agentPX_Aw> it mean your in health
<agentPX_Aw> anyway im sure you dont far as much as Terrance & Philipp in southpark :D
<[3j]> blame canada
<[3j]> they are all flappy headed freaks :-(
<[3j]> :\ )   <-- canadian
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<agentPX_Aw> 3J you must be happy for this
<agentPX_Aw> you damn quitter
<agentPX_Aw> looser :P
<agentPX_Aw> you quit canada to go with the evil americans
<[3j]> hehe
<agentPX_Aw> you have more chance to get killed by a bomb or a terrorists than i have to get killed by px :p
<[3j]> i heard px isnt going to pass by earth at all, instead its going to crash into canada
<[3j]> swear to zeta i did
<[3j]> i mean swear to god...
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<Dale> hi
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<[3j]> hmm i wonder if the tt predictions for montreal is true
<[3j]> the st laurent is just going to spread open and montreal isle stay there!
<[3j]> another thing, if all volcanos on the planet are supposed to erupt, wont mont royal erupt too
<agentPX_Aw> 3j : hahaha very funny
<agentPX_Aw> :P
<[3j]> serious
<agentPX_Aw> there isnt solid prove mt. royal was a volcano before
<[3j]> i thought it was proven
<agentPX_Aw> dont think so
<agentPX_Aw> but not sure
<[3j]> i was always saying that as a kid, mont royal is a volcano!dont go
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<[3j]> hence, it stuck as fact...
<agentPX_Aw> probably because your parent didnt want you to meet somes junkies
<[3j]> its not that bad
<agentPX_Aw> :)
<agentPX_Aw> i like the tam-tam
<agentPX_Aw> each sunday
<[3j]> heh
<[3j]> i went there once, it was boring :)
<agentPX_Aw> and we can play beach-volleyball at the park which is cool
<[3j]> your near the plateau?
<agentPX_Aw> [3j]: who cared you moved, go play in the desert now :p
<[3j]> i visit on regular occasions
<agentPX_Aw> i dont live in the plateau but i dont live too far from it
<agentPX_Aw> i live in NDG , near cote-st-luc and westmount
<[3j]> i didnt think there was any internet in ndg :(
<agentPX_Aw> huh
<agentPX_Aw> i had internet since 6-7 years
<agentPX_Aw> and im on cable since 3 years
<agentPX_Aw> did you see the "roadrunner and the bird"  ?
<agentPX_Aw> where you live now
<[3j]> is that a movie?
<agentPX_Aw> no
<agentPX_Aw> you know the comic
<[3j]> oh
<agentPX_Aw> bugs bunny
<agentPX_Aw> roadrunner
<[3j]> roadrunner and the coyote :)
<agentPX_Aw> yeah
<agentPX_Aw> :)
<[3j]> i havent seen no coyotes
<agentPX_Aw> they are in arizona
<[3j]> but roadrunner are everywhere
<agentPX_Aw> cool :)
<[3j]> its the state bird i think
<[3j]> there like low flying chickens, and not as quick like the cartoons
<[3j]> theyre protected by acme arizona
<agentPX_Aw> hehehehe
<agentPX_Aw> ACMEW
<agentPX_Aw> ACME
<agentPX_Aw> :)
<agentPX_Aw> like in the carttons
<[3j]> they are real people dude!
<agentPX_Aw> coool
<agentPX_Aw> u going to school there?
<[3j]> no
<[3j]> i tried that for a while, but it costs lots of $ here
<agentPX_Aw> hehehehehe
<agentPX_Aw> yep
<[3j]> costs even more if your from outside arizona
<[3j]> so i quit school after a while
<agentPX_Aw> you should have finished at least your studies here , quitter :p
<[3j]> oh
<[3j]> that reminds me
<[3j]> in montreal i dropped out :)
<[3j]> hehe
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<[3j]> when i first visited AZ i looked into those
<[3j]> in montreal its like high school drop out schools you know
<[3j]> special places
<[3j]> anyway here in usa they have something like that, its just to get a diploma called a GED
<agentPX_Aw> eh
<[3j]> so here i was in az, not even reached secondary 5 in quebec, i plunk down $30
<[3j]> they give me a test
<[3j]> and tada! high school diploma :)
<agentPX_Aw> geez
<agentPX_Aw> wow :)
<[3j]> same thing with drivers license
<agentPX_Aw> lucky bastard hehe
<[3j]> proove im legal, plunk down 25
<[3j]> drive around the corner, take pic, get license
<agentPX_Aw> lolll
<[3j]> montreal it was gonna be 1 year + mucho $
<agentPX_Aw> yeah we have to wait 1 fukin year
<agentPX_Aw> im still on probation
<agentPX_Aw> i.e. only 4 points
<agentPX_Aw> this last 2 years
<agentPX_Aw> in a couple of months ill have my 18 points
<agentPX_Aw> normal license
<agentPX_Aw> can you speak french by the way%
<agentPX_Aw> ?
<[3j]> oui
<[3j]> je suis francais..
<agentPX_Aw> ah ben la
<[3j]> mais je fait trop de faute dortografe
<agentPX_Aw> tes parents sont francais ou anglais?
<[3j]> comme jai dis, j'ai lacher le segondaire :)
<[3j]> francais
<agentPX_Aw> coo
<[3j]> are you?
<agentPX_Aw> yeah
<agentPX_Aw> im french
<[3j]> cool
<agentPX_Aw> you write better in english than me
<agentPX_Aw> :p
<[3j]> yeah its normal
<[3j]> in usa all this time..
<agentPX_Aw> and probably speak way better too
<agentPX_Aw> hehehe
<[3j]> now i do much better
<agentPX_Aw> so what u doing if your not studying?
<agentPX_Aw> got a job?
<[3j]> i started some net biz stuff
<agentPX_Aw> nice
<agentPX_Aw> any website?
<[3j]> yeah
<agentPX_Aw> url?
<[3j]> its simple stuff
<agentPX_Aw> nice
<agentPX_Aw> its cool
<[3j]> i just sell trendy things
<agentPX_Aw> malebreakthrought is yours too?
<[3j]> its a joint thing
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<[3j]> i think all the links to the products there are sites that are down :)
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<agentPX_Aw> yep
<agentPX_Aw> they dont work
<[3j]> :)
<[3j]> well i dont need to work much
<[3j]> i take it easy most of the time really hehe
<agentPX_Aw> lolll
<[3j]> spend most of the time on the roof
<[3j]> hehe
<agentPX_Aw> are your parent rich or what
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<[3j]> non ils etait tres pauvres
<[3j]> tu sais c'est qoui le bien etre social oui?
<agentPX_Aw> uhu et ils sont parti en arizona :p
<agentPX_Aw> oui
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<[3j]> imagine le bs mix ca avec les machine des bar
<agentPX_Aw> hmm ok
<[3j]> shity role models hehe
<agentPX_Aw> heheh
<[3j]> not rich i wish
<agentPX_Aw> i see
<agentPX_Aw> nice chicks over there ?
<[3j]> dont know
<[3j]> im married
<agentPX_Aw> wow
<agentPX_Aw> already
<agentPX_Aw> !!!!!!!
<[3j]> how else can i get legal ???
<agentPX_Aw> hmm well your parents moved there
<agentPX_Aw> so its legal i guess to be with them
<[3j]> oh no
<[3j]> im not that young
<agentPX_Aw> well
<agentPX_Aw> if you live with them there is no age i think
<[3j]> true..
<agentPX_Aw> if you dont live with them its another thing.. hehe
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<Pott> Hey
<agentPX_Aw> since how many years you moved there ?
<agentPX_Aw> hey
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<Pott> agent: Ever play Tetrinet ?
<[3j]> since dec 96
<agentPX_Aw> pott yeah
<agentPX_Aw> i was the god 3 years ago
<Pott> agent: Wanna join me for a game?
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<agentPX_Aw> ok
<Pott> come to tetrinet.org
<[3j]> hehe tretrinet
<[3j]> i havent played that in a while
<Pott> I'm in cookiejar game
<agentPX_Aw> no cheating eh
<Pott> coming agent?
<Pott> The channel is full i'll let you know when to join ok
<agentPX_Aw> pott cool
<agentPX_Aw> just give me the ip
<agentPX_Aw> ill tryh
<Pott> 64.125.131.17
<agentPX_Aw> t
<Pott> Just type /j 11 when I say ok
<Pott> I've got control of it too
<Pott> I'll delay the game so people leave ;)
<agentPX_Aw> are you sure its the good ip
<Pott> tetrinet.org = good netwoek
<Pott> They keep starting I keep stopping
<Pott> Should be a slot for you any second now
<agentPX_Aw> k im in
<Pott> I'm trying to get someone to leave now
<Pott> I'll say JOIN when to join ok
<agentPX_Aw> im in pure3
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<Pott> Pure sucks
<agentPX_Aw> yep
<Pott> No one wants to go yet
<Pott> I've stopped game like 10 times
<agentPX_Aw> :(
<Pott> Join now!
<Jenkins3d> no
<agentPX_Aw> already
<agentPX_Aw> full
<agentPX_Aw> :(
<agentPX_Aw> geez
<Pott> Shit
<Pott> Let me piss em off some more
<agentPX_Aw> <NFI> sum1 tell me how 2 play
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<Pott> Sheesh
<Pott> I can't get you in
<agentPX_Aw> np
<agentPX_Aw> im playing elsewhere
<agentPX_Aw> lol
<Pott> Where at?
<Pott> Come to channel 12 now agent!!!!!!!!!
<agentPX_Aw> full
<agentPX_Aw> :(
<agentY> ._.   porno ftp??
<Pott> Errr
<agentY> oops
<agentY> i hear saddam is planning on steam rolling isreal :)
<Jenkins3d> good for him...but im sure it's just US propaganda
<Jenkins3d> just another reason why we shold kill him and take all the oil
<agentY> yeah
<agentY> u.s. crooks
<[3j]> hell yeah
<[3j]> saddamn needs to get out anyway
<[3j]> hes a nutcase
<[3j]> his own family says that
<[3j]> not usa :)
<agentY> bush is nuts too
<agentY> cuckoo
<agentY> bush versus saddam in boxing
<agentY> winner take all
<Jenkins3d> next clebrity boxing
<Jenkins3d> does anyone know why my moniter possion is moveing by it's self?
<agentY> adjust the knob on it.
<Jenkins3d> i did but like if im not looking at it for a while it looks like it moved and i adjust it again and it keeps doing stuff
<agentY> oh
<agentY> ask nancy on saturday
<agentY> nancy don'tknow shit i think
<Jenkins3d> thats a good idea
<Jenkins3d> Nancy, are their alines in my computer becasue it's doing weird things and i was thinking that aliens could do it becasue i was at your web site and you were talking about them and it was kinda scary and then you said how they can answer peoples calls and i thought maybe they hered me when i was screaming at my computer so maybe they went in there to do something ya know?
<agentY> hehehe
<agentY> thats screwed up man
<Jenkins3d> she probably gets stuff like that
<agentY> gets?? hell, she SAYS stuff like that !!!!!
<Jenkins3d> lol
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<ukuz> Hello
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<Jenkins3d> anyone awaye or anything that's possible in something of drunkiness
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<[3j]> wonder if red is trying to get in this #
<[3j]> but clicking too much xs
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