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<ukuz> Hi Sirgrim, about when start hearing about PX?
<ukuz> :)
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<grim> muaha
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<ukuz> HELLO
<[3j]> hi
<ukuz> any good news 3j?
<ukuz> :)
<[3j]> not that i know of
<ukuz> nothing new?
<[3j]> not really
<[3j]> and you?
<ukuz> im still catching up on ZT  :)
<ukuz> and listening to taped archives on jeff rense show
<[3j]> never heard of jeff rense
<ukuz> bunch of shows listed on this page...   http://www.zetatalk.com/index/media.htm
<ukuz> well i better go sleep... be back later...   aloha  :)   
<[3j]> bye
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<obany> hi Jeremy
<Jeremy> hello obany
<Jeremy> quiet now..
<Ogmios> hi
<Jeremy> Hi Ogmios
<Ogmios> 2 weeks to august
<Jeremy> Bought some climbing rope earlier today; thought it may come in useful in the future
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<obany> Jeremy: i took a look at http://wrightworld.net/poleshiftnews.htm and found a article from bbncews wich i just emailed to tt-watch
<obany> hi natas
<Jeremy> hi natas
<natas> hi all
<Jeremy> thx obany
<Jeremy> I also got a good 70 litre rucksack for £28
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<Jeremy> do you have much camping gear obany?
<obany> not yet
<Jeremy> oh
<Jeremy> I'm trying to get everything I need early, just in case there is a severe economic crash, or goods are unavailable next year for example
<obany> I understand Jeremy
<Jeremy> Can't help thinking sometimes 'if this doesn't happen, what was all this for?'. But I am taking the gamble given my conviction
<Jeremy> Most of the gear has long term practical value. So it won't go to waste in the event the cataclysms don't occur
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<[3j]> but what about food, seed
<gap_mouthed> hi,folks
<Jeremy> 3j: got some seed already
<Jeremy> hi gap_mouthed
<[3j]> tell me though, why such the high focus on camping related stuff
<[3j]> what about computers, communications, entertainment
<Jeremy> 3j: Not a high focus, but it is considered basic essential gear
<[3j]> that and sustenance to create food is my priority
<obany> so gap are you sober yet or are you still drunk as you sais earlier on
<[3j]> computers very important, it can store so much information
<gap_mouthed> drunk in the main
<[3j]> can also be used for communications with other survival groups
<[3j]> design of farming
<gap_mouthed> i find live difficult ...
<[3j]> with microsoft Farmer 2002 ;)
<Jeremy> I will buy a laptop in the near future, for portablility reasons in the post pole shift period
<gap_mouthed> alcoholic..
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<[3j]> you plan to move alot?
<Jeremy> 3j: We may be forced to move around after the pole shift to find 'greener pastures' as the saying goes
<[3j]> well you can always resort to hydroponic greenhouses
<[3j]> cheap to build and maintain
<Jeremy> For example, if you want to live by the coastline, then you will have to migrate there AFTER the pole shift
<[3j]> even easier with computers ;)
<[3j]> jeremy, what about weapons, thought about that?
<[3j]> guns, etc
<Jeremy> yes I have indeed
<[3j]> whats your take on that
<Jeremy> An air rifle for shooting small game
<[3j]> i forgot about that, lack of ammo stores :)
<Jeremy> Guns are harder to obtain here in the UK than in the USA, as you may know
<[3j]> ah UK
<[3j]> i thought you were usa
<gap_mouthed> Bavaria beer
<Jeremy> With incerasing gun crime in London, maybe that is just as well
<gap_mouthed> lekker..
<gap_mouthed> http://bierman.lapoo.nl
<[3j]> funnet going down ?
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<Jeremy> hmm
<[3j]> FunNet- [Global Notice] As forewarned, services will be restarting and will be back momentarily :)
<[3j]> must of meant chan/nick serv..
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<Jeremy> I might also get a book on boat building
<[3j]> i wonder if someone parked a sail boat, if it would survive waves and such
<Jeremy> I doubt it could withstand a tidal wave
<[3j]> depends where its at. i think i read in zt that some places water will just begin to rise and rise
<[3j]> so its not a tidal wave, know what I mean?
<Jeremy> yes, I was about to say that
<Jeremy> rising water will occur in may parts of the world following the shift
<[3j]> but then again, anyone in a boat is screwed if they venture to far into a sea
<[3j]> charts will probably be useless
<gap_mouthed> AT THE END WE ALL GONA DIE!!!
<Jeremy> yeah, and compasses too
<[3j]> nav systems
<[3j]> what about the stars? think we will be differently aligned?
<gap_mouthed> HEHE!!
<gap_mouthed> FUNNY
<gap_mouthed> born->
<gap_mouthed> die
<Jeremy> wll all the countries will be at different latitudes, so the sky will look different, but the volanic ash will make astronomy difficult for many years after
<[3j]> you dont have to die
<gap_mouthed> leave a skull in the third density
<gap_mouthed> hhe
<[3j]> do some genetic reasearch and find the aging gene.. and remove it ;)
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<[3j]> then just be careful where you go and you should live long
<gap_mouthed> good one
<gap_mouthed> live is weird
<[3j]> maybe have one of those personal force fields like in Dune
<gap_mouthed> Has somebody to say  about the crystal skull..
<gap_mouthed> weird : we all heve a skull
<gap_mouthed> have
<gap_mouthed> and bones
<gap_mouthed> leaving it at the third density
<[3j]> i dont know if its weird gap
<[3j]> human bodies usually are left somewhere once someone dies
<[3j]> been like that at least for a few hundred million years :)
<gap_mouthed> yes
<gap_mouthed> the don't walk..
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> anymore..
<Jeremy> Whereabouts in Holland are you gap_mouthed?
<gap_mouthed> Rotterdam
<Jeremy> oh
<Jeremy> I might visit Holland later in the year; never been there before
<gap_mouthed> obany ?
<gap_mouthed> If it still exist..
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<Jeremy> you could go to Sweden..
<gap_mouthed> yep
<obany> so jeremy any idea when if you are going to ?
<Jeremy> i'm staying in England, but probably leaving London
<Jeremy> I might go to Derbyshire as there are areas there 2000 feet above sea level
<[3j]> im just gona stay here
<gap_mouthed> Did the ze ta's show up in holland ??
<[3j]> well move a bit out of the city
<obany> Sweden is a good choise for those in Europe
<gap_mouthed> zeta's
<Jeremy> Scotland has high regions but ZT says it might suffer like Ireland from the widening Atlantic
<obany> gap_mouthed.. well yes why wouldn't they ...
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> hehe hihi
<gap_mouthed> What do you mean exactly??
<gap_mouthed> Can NancyL arange ... we both will meet a real zeta??
<obany> that they don't only make contact with folks in the USA ...
<obany> gap_mouthed.. gee gap
<obany> NO
<gap_mouthed> oh
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<obany> no consciouss contact yet, i think you asked that kind of question before
<gap_mouthed> i don't like the people ... omn this planet in the main  ..i think..
<gap_mouthed> on
<gap_mouthed> consciouss contact will be relief for me...
<gap_mouthed> or not..
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<Jeremy> you might encounter an alien after the pole shift in certain areas
<gap_mouthed> i hope
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> ugly creatures...
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> but i love them..
<gap_mouthed> the zeta's
<Jeremy> science fiction will take on a new meaning after the pole shift :)
<gap_mouthed> yep
<obany> i don't think they, the Zetas are ugly .. gap
<Ogmios> just different..
<Ogmios> certainly some races think human being is ugly
<gap_mouthed> I maybe have met a "raëlian guy in subconsious"
<Jeremy> The Anunnaki look similar to us, just much taller
<gap_mouthed> don't say much...
<gap_mouthed> but nice   guy's
<obany> i don't buy that raelian thingy ...
<gap_mouthed> what  do mean..
<gap_mouthed> you
<Ogmios> what would common ppl do if one sees Anunnaki walking somewhere
<Ogmios> giants are real!
<gap_mouthed> Afterwards they wonder...
<Jeremy> I'd say 'fuck me, I thought I was tall!' :)
<gap_mouthed> not at the moment self proballly.
<obany> gap_mouthed well i don't take it serious ... because it's to cultish
<Jeremy> The contactees that went public in the past had little to disclose about ETs, and seemed to want publicity for themselves. ZT on the other hand has a ring of authenticity about it, especially the vast amount of info provided
<gap_mouthed> ehhh, welll...
<obany> so what do you have to say abou that gap
<gap_mouthed> what ??... it looked like a creature of raël front page...
<gap_mouthed> that's all
<gap_mouthed> i like them..
<gap_mouthed> don't worry
<obany> well ok
<gap_mouthed> him i mean..
<gap_mouthed> it was one person
<Jeremy> I also received a couple of safety helmets today
<Jeremy> You know, to protect your head from the dust and stones that will fall down from PXs sweeping tail, a few days before the pole shift
<Jeremy> May have other uses too
<obany> good thinking jeremey anyway back in a few
<Jeremy> ok :)
<Jeremy> bbiaf
<gap_mouthed> I will again give the call now  to the zeta's for a power break in holland..
<gap_mouthed> still connected...
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> doesn't work that fast..
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<obany> back
<obany> ooh gap you realy think you are funny don't you
<gap_mouthed> i am i not??
<obany> well what do you think ?
<gap_mouthed> yes
<gap_mouthed> i am funny
<gap_mouthed> gap_mouthed=funny
<gap_mouthed> or not??
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<obany> well you are not into serious conversation aren't you
<obany> like everthing is a joke to you
<gap_mouthed> no
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> hehe hihi
<gap_mouthed> lol
<Jurian> freak
<gap_mouthed> well...
<gap_mouthed> i am going to be verry serious now..
<gap_mouthed> human people arise from..
<gap_mouthed> Some say there anchestors are bugs or musquito's
<gap_mouthed> This is what whe have to face daily..
<gap_mouthed> A really poor existence on this planet...
<gap_mouthed> almost incredibel for startchildren..
<gap_mouthed> This has become planet of living....
<gap_mouthed> not a planet of thinking about matters...
<gap_mouthed> this does depress a lot of people...
<gap_mouthed> but it is an great oppertunity
<gap_mouthed> to experience the whole differenty thinking of many people/societies..
<gap_mouthed> At a higher level it is necessary...,or no other.. way
<gap_mouthed> to  accomplish  a experience like this...
<obany> so what are you quoting gap ?
<gap_mouthed> it is really the kindrgarden..
<gap_mouthed> thing
<gap_mouthed> I think..
<gap_mouthed> that's what i think in the main..
<gap_mouthed> end myTalk
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> you?
<gap_mouthed> folowup?
<gap_mouthed> I wanna see a real ufo
<gap_mouthed> Do you have an idea ,obany?
<gap_mouthed> where to see it
<obany> gap: and what do you mean with a real ufo ... gap mouthed you know that contact happens in the subconsciosness and at this time i don't know where to see one ... it all depends on you
<gap_mouthed> but i don't wanna see in the sub
<gap_mouthed> i wanna see right  now!!
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<gap_mouthed> it isn't possible...
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<gap_mouthed> perhaps
<obany> gap, you already know it...
<gap_mouthed> gets a little bit sad about that ,you???
<gap_mouthed> Do you know http://www.skyspy.tv ?
<gap_mouthed> I think i am going a bit closing...
<gap_mouthed> hehe
<obany> yes i know skyspy.tv
<gap_mouthed> oke
<gap_mouthed> I am  going to stop this Irc session after a while..
<gap_mouthed> I wiil pray for all of you
<Jurian> praying will not help much
<gap_mouthed> done
<gap_mouthed> poor human souls we are , at the end
<gap_mouthed> Oke , i am going to eave now..
<gap_mouthed> leave
<gap_mouthed> Have a nice stay  here .Bye
<gap_mouthed> Bye
<gap_mouthed> bye, and slaap lekker...
<gap_mouthed> Bye
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<obany> Jeremy do you have anything left to talk about ?
<obany> ah Nancy has been on the radio on the 9th and the 20th she will also be on the radio
<obany> see the media page
<sapphire> the tv interview will be most interesting--28th
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<Jeremy> back
<Jeremy> sorry I should have set my away message on
<obany> :)
<Jeremy> talking to someone on the phone
<Jeremy> yeah, I'm not sure what to talk about now
<sapphire> try to inform them about PX
<Jeremy> inform who?
<sapphire> person on the phone
<Jeremy> oh.. yes he already knows. He's the person I discuss this with in flesh so to speak
<Jeremy> Bush is supposed to be well aware of the coming shift
<sapphire> Bush was on the phone?
<Jeremy> hehe .. no just trying to start a new subject of chat
<sapphire> Oh, ok.  It was getting interesting for a second...
<Jeremy> I think ZT has said that certain world leaders have been briefed of the possiblity of a pole shift
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<ukuz> hello
<sapphire> ZT says Bush knows ALL about PX
<Jeremy> hello ukuz
<ukuz> :)
<Jeremy> his administration are aware to some extent as well
<sapphire> ZT describes Bush as being with the forces of evil
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<Jeremy> They [ZT] have nothing positive to say about him
<sapphire> nope, i haven't found anything yet
<Jeremy> hi dwander
<dwander> hi
<Jeremy> new here?
<dwander> yep
<Jeremy> welcome then :)
<dwander> just looking to see what was talked about here
<Jeremy> PX sometimes, the coming transformation, survival tips, etc
<Jeremy> PX stands for Planet X btw
<dwander> ah..I should have guessed that one...
<Jeremy> do you have an opinion on the existence of PX, dwander?
<dwander> yes & no...
<dwander> it may exist, but I'm highly skeptical about the ZT info regarding it
<Jeremy> i see
<Jeremy> there are many actually who can accept that PX lurks out in deep space, but not in the manner ZT describes
<Jeremy> I myself think ZT is right, but we have to wait and see
<dwander> sure, can't expect us to believe in strange repulsion forces and crazy-seeming magnetic effects without a lot more data
<Pott> My opinion on it is that it already existed.
<Jeremy> the repulsion force makes sense to me, in a way, since it explains why the moon can't come closer to earth even though its gravity is far weaker than earth
<Pott> Except now it's known as Pluto, Neptune and Uranaus.
<dwander> conventional forces explain the moon QUITE well
<Pott> We could learn a lot about the Moon by looking at Venus that has none.
<Jeremy> dwander: you mean the centrifugal force notion for the moon distance and orbit?
<Jeremy> Pott: Can you elucidate on that please?
<dwander> I mean that ANYTHING at the moon's distance with the same orbital velocity would be stable
<Pott> dwander: Don't forget the most nearby influential force the Sun.
<Jeremy> Nereid, a moon of Neptune, has the most eccentric orbit of any satellite in the solar system, which would appear to defy current theories of gravity
<sapphire> dwander does not accept Nancy as the authority...too late to "convert" him
<Pott> Jeremy: The outer planets have strange dynamics.
<dwander> I don't accept anyone as 'authority'...never have...
<Pott> Jeremy: I would expect some really strange effects.
<Jeremy> saphhire: ok .. hehe.. I'm just trying to point out anomalies in conventional school of thought that I do agree with ZT on
<sapphire> good, then I can tell you that ZT PX doesn't exist
<Jeremy> we cannot prove it exists yet, but can you prove it does not exist?
<sapphire> can't prove something that isn't "something"
<dwander> the only way for events to happen as ZT says would be for them to be arranged artificially by powerfull ET forces...seems unlikely
<sapphire> dwander: i agree
<dwander> proof doesn't exist, people believe what they want to
<Jeremy> fair ebough
<Jeremy> ebough=enough
<sapphire> next best thing : ET forces arrange people to "think" that PX is coming
<sapphire> purpose of ZT
<Jeremy> I've considered that scenario..
<Pott> ZT's time is running out we'll see if Nancy does the same thing.
<dwander> or the old 'government mind control' sort of scenario...
<sapphire> except for being anti-government
<dwander> yes, I'll be interrested to hear what Nancy says this fall & winter
<Jeremy> I thought once that it could be an elaborate experiment to see how a small set of humans react to this information over a period of years
<Pott> When it's not seen she will make up another excuse.
<sapphire> i think she'll twist the story to a new date
<dwander> hehe...that didn't work for the Photon Belt guy...
<sapphire> there is still the possiblility that some university student is doing this in search of his doctorate in psychology
<Jeremy> possibly .. quite an effort he's made then
<obany> oo come on and dwander Nancy has nothing to do with sheldon niddle
<Pott> It's not particulary difficult to come up with a lot of the ideas Nancy has.
<sapphire> yep, quite a book, website and reputation to be built as well
<obany> pott: do you realy think so ... doh
<Pott> If someone thinks that it would be impossible then they obviously cannot think for themselves.
<Pott> She's written so much ZT material that it
<Jeremy> Pott: Its not impossible but ZT is an incredible piece of creative thinking if it is a hoax
<Pott> is really easy for her to put on that face.
<dwander> Oh, I wouldn't be at all surprised that Nancy recieves info in the way she claims, but that doesn't give much weight to the info itself
<sapphire> hypothetical : the man who earned his doctorate and also unlocked the secrets of modern cult psychology...
<Pott> Jeremy: It would look good in a novel.
<Jeremy> If the pole shift doesn't occur I might write a book
<sapphire> jeremy, better start now
<Pott> Jeremy: I think after this ordeal we all can write one hehe
<sapphire> get a head start on all the others
<Jeremy> I spend too much time on IRC :)
<Pott> When this is all over theres going to be a field day.
<dwander> I wonder if the true believers would like to sell all their possesions cheap with a delivery date of next summer?
<Pott> Thats my prediction ;)
<Pott> Someone hold me too it hehe
<Motivez> heh
<Jeremy> I do reserve some room for doubt, it's only healthy to do so
<sapphire> no, problem pott, I save the logs
<Motivez> Did you all read about that team of doctors or whatever they were from yale(i think?)
<dwander> ah..the virus...yes
<Motivez> That ended up pretending to be policemen, and arresting folks
<Motivez> Putting them in a make believe jail
<Motivez> And watching their behavior change
<Motivez> heh
<dwander> oh..different subject...
<Motivez> It was because they signed up for a study, but they had no idea what was going on
<Pott> sapphore: Good.... When next fucking Nancy like character emerges from the 0's and 1's you'll be more than ready ;)
<sapphire> the best kind of study is blind
<Motivez> Well the point is, if that can be done, and it was very elaborate, I really don't think zetatalk being some expierement in psychology would be that difficult
<sapphire> pott: if i understand your meaning.  Yes that is the point.
<dwander> I do think our current society is doomed within the next decade or two, but I still don't know how it will fall, or in what direction
<Motivez> Also I don't know if any of you watch sightings, but a week ago or so
<Motivez> There was a program on with a bunch of people saying May 5th 2000 was the end of the world
<Motivez> Volcanos, flooding
<Motivez> Even groups that didn't know eachother came up with the same map
<Motivez> I'm curious how that map looks compared to the zeta talk one
<dwander> or the Gordon Michael Scallion map...
<Pott> dwander: De-population.
<dwander> hehe...we could use a good depopulating
<Pott> dwander: What do you think the war on terror is all about?
<dwander> gaining power for Bush
<Motivez> lol
<Pott> And depopulating.
<Motivez> You're saying Bush is using the war on terror to depopulate the planet?
<Motivez> heh
<Motivez> unless he uses nukes, which won't happen, the depopulation will be minimal at best
<Pott> Partially and to assert domination.
<dwander> not me...Bush just wants to run everyone...he doesn't care how many or few there are
<Pott> Motivez: Why use nukes when you can cause wars to happen?
<Motivez> Because it wouldn't be on the same scale as WW2 was
<Motivez> Technology has advanced, majorly
<dwander> Anyone got a countdown guess til the islamic world unites enough for a real jihad effort??
<Ogmios> chemical/biological war is far more deadlier
<Motivez> You don't have to get into the 'nitty gritty' so to speak of a confrontation to fight
<Motivez> Which won't happen either
<Pott> I'm sure all the Internet traffic is monitered with lose last few statements i'm sure it got someones attention.
<Pott> If your watching FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!1
<Motivez> laf
<dwander> chem doesn't worry me much...bio could get nasty
<Motivez> This is a very remote IRC network
<Motivez> Monitoring would have to be conducted serverside
<Motivez> I doubt they care much
<Pott> No it's not even done like that.
<Motivez> s/remote/small/
<sapphire> if "they" really cared they would infiltrate, some participant would be an agent
<Pott> All of the internet lines themselves are monitered.
<dwander> They don't care about people like us.  It's monitored, but just into a database...no one looks at it
<Motivez> Pott, it'd have to be serverside.
<Motivez> They don't do that.
<sapphire> dwander: most likely
<Motivez> Trust me, I've been into the 'scene' or whatever you want to call it for quite some time
<Motivez> If they did, they wouldn't have had to rely on logs to bust mafiaboy when he took down yahoo/ebay etc
<Motivez> logs from someone in the chatroom at the time.
<Pott> They search for keywords like "Terrorist, Jihad, Attack, anti-government" also word combinations.
<Motivez> Perhaps through mail servers
<Motivez> Not IRC networks
<Motivez> I know in Europe ISP's are required to keep email full headers & subjects
<Jeremy> Goodnight. See you all tomorrow on ZT IRC...
<Motivez> For the past 3? years for each customer
<Pott> The fact is everything that passes through the Internet passes through a lot of different computers before it reaches you.
<Motivez> That doesn't mean they have access to the data
<Pott> What it means is they moniter raw data
<sapphire> Packet sniffing can be done by anyone with access or control of any of these computers
<obany> JeremyL: somoen just emailed to tt-watch urls with pics of 2 news crop circles
<Motivez> If they did, everyone who has ever downloaded warez, an illegal mp3, kiddie porn, whatever you can think of that's illegal, would be busted
<obany> anyway goodnight
<Jeremy> thx obany, night
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<Pott> Log all data that passes through the lines.
<sapphire> motivez: no limited resources
<Motivez> If you believe that you're as crazy as Nancy Pott
<Pott> Motivez: No they don't care about that.
<Pott> Only sensitive information
<Motivez> They log certain data in certain areas, they don't log every single peice of raw data that goes through their network
<Motivez> I know they have it for phone networks as well
<Pott> Motivez: I'm sure it's all logged but has to be processed.
<dwander> You'd be surprised how much is passively monitored, but like I said, most just goes into a data bank and is never looked at ever again
<Motivez> dwander, I'm aware of the data that can be monitored/collected, I'm saying for the most part it isn't
<sapphire> Data isn't exactly "raw", there are simple programs which can re-assemble the data into their respective types, mail, IRC, files, etc.
<Pott> I'm sure useless information is purged.
<dwander> a channel like this one probably is
<Motivez> Sapphire, you'd still need access server-side to the computer running the ircd
<sapphire> motivez: yes or access to a computer which is participating in the chat
<Motivez> That's a different story all together though
<Motivez> I'm talking about monitoring the data that passes through the networks & collecting info based on that
<sapphire> i have software which can re-assemble just about anything to its true form, if I have access between point a and point b
<Pott> I'm sure that there is a lot that we don't know about.
<Motivez> Probably
<Motivez> But
<Motivez> Even if you say they 'dont care about' warez/mp3's, etc
<Motivez> They have different branches of the FBI, etc, that do.
<Pott> So to whomever is watching us "suck my dick sit there in your closet pussy ass bitches"
<Motivez> Their whole reason for being is to bust those folks
<dwander> sigh...it sure would be nice to know what secret tech is actually out there, and what groups have access...
<Motivez> And trust me
<sapphire> motivez: it's like getting a speeding ticket.  They can only pull over so many speeders.  The rest just speed on by.
<Motivez> If they really monitored all that
<Motivez> They'd have access to major release groups private channels, private irc networks, etc
<Motivez> And they don't or they wouldn't be around
<sapphire> i mean in regards to warez, mpe
<sapphire> mp3
<Pott> Motivez: As I have said that is the least of their worries.
<Motivez> I'm sure they could care less about the average joe who downloads adobe
<Motivez> Pott, I'm not talking about on a 'grand scale'
<dwander> "they" aren't law enforcement...they don't care about mp3, porn, ect...
<Motivez> You're wrong heh
<Motivez> Maybe not as a whole
<Motivez> But
<sapphire> "grand scale" isn't possible do to limited resources
<Motivez> There are different sections of different agenices that deal soley with warez, mp3's, computer piracy, etc.
<dwander> was talking 'as a whole'
<Pott> It's monitered to prevent espinionge etc
<dwander> warez they might care about
<sapphire> NSA admitted that they cannot keep up with internet volume anymore
<sapphire> so priorities are made
<Pott> sapphire: Maybe they would have you believe that.
<Motivez> All I'm saying is, if they had access to the types of data that you're saying they do; those branches would have busted the larger release groups
<sapphire> the larger release groups are not high in the priority
<sapphire> right now
<dwander> again, it depends which groups you worry about...:)
<sapphire> only when it can be a media event
<Pott> Motivez: The problem is presenting the evidence without exposing yourself.
<Motivez> You don't know that for a fact though
<Motivez> I've known multiple people who've been 'busted' for very minor things
<Motivez> Simple as accessing a nasa computer and running a BNC on one of the boxes, to defacing a website, to taking down yahoo/ebay and other major sites
<dwander> the laws are such that if they want to bust someone, anyone, they can find something on them
<sapphire> there are "show" or "example" busts, but the majority cruise on by without trouble
<Motivez> Heh
<sapphire> limited resources
<Motivez> Have you ever hacked into a system sapphire?
<Motivez> A government system ?
<Motivez> A public website box?
<Motivez> Ever packeted anyone?
<Pott> Atleast were thinking about how the Internet is monitered
<Motivez> They don't care about the publicity
<sapphire> motivez: i never had cause for that
<Motivez> I've known people who've done very minor shit, no publicity at all, that were busted
<Motivez> Who said anything about a cause
<Motivez> :P
<Pott> I've done a lot of shit and never got busted.
<Pott> Heck i've admitted it tons of times and nothing has ever happened.
<Motivez> Then you must not have done much
<Motivez> :P
<Motivez> Or the company/whatever didn't feel like pressing charges
<sapphire> motivez: if you commit a known "crime" without reason, you are stupid
<Pott> Put it this way i've gotten access to thousands of computers arbitrarily.
<Pott> Does anyone seem to care? No.
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<Motivez> sapphire, never heard of fun?
<Motivez> :P
<dwander> if you somehow get their attention, they'll get you....but most people never ammount to enough for them to care
<Motivez> Trying to do something to see if it could be done, etc?
<Ogmios> goodnight obany, sleep well
<sapphire> fun isn't worth jail
<Pott> You would have to be doing something stupid like going after Government sites
<obany> thnx ogmios bye
<Motivez> sapphire, it's about ego and skill
<Ogmios> bye
<Pott> Or planning a serious virus
<Motivez> about trying somethin to see if you have the capacity to understand enough to do it
<Motivez> etc
<sapphire> just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean you should arbitrarily do it
<Motivez> I'm not talking about right and wrong
<Pott> Or developing a system which hacks other systems and is self-expanding
<dwander> people doing it for ego almost always end up caught
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<Motivez> It can be about ego and not be vanity dwander
<sapphire> abilities are tools which should be used with wisdom
<Motivez> again, you're talking about morals and ethics here
<Motivez> I'm not talking about that all
<Motivez> er, at all
<sapphire> if i can beat the crap out of you, that doesn't mean i should do it for the thrill
<dwander> morals and ethics??  I've heard of those...:)
<Motivez> Well, and breaking into a computer system to see if it can be done isn't exactly hurting anyone
<sapphire> you pick your fights carefully, or you pay a big price
<Motivez> Espically if you don't have malicious intent
<Motivez> Which is why I said it's about seeing if you can
<sapphire> the law says it is about being found "guilty" and then going to jail, etc.
<Motivez> You obviously haven't been into the scene enough to know what I'm talking about
<Motivez> So I won't bother any more
<dwander> hehe...plenty of people do stuff just for the challenge, yes
<sapphire> i know the "scene", i'm a bit more mature than what you described
* Pott used to design mIRC scripts that could initiate packetings.
<Motivez> Well, then you should understand what I'm talking about
<dwander> it's when they want recognition for what they've done that they get into trouble
<Motivez> And not try to lecture me on what's right and wrong and about the law
<sapphire> motivez: i understand that most people who are 19 think a certain way...
<Motivez> I'm talking about, like dwander just said, the challenge, the expierience of doing it, and pushing your understanding and limits
<Pott> I even designed a script that could be run a remote machine and it would scan
<Pott> Next step would have been creating a automatic self-expanding system
<Motivez> It's not like the movie hackers, which is I'm sure how you see it :P
<dwander> isn't it nice of places like microsoft to leave so many holes in everything??  :)
<sapphire> microsoft is rush rush rush it out the door, we can fix it later
<sapphire> results in holes
<dwander> hehe...then they leave in their debugging backdoors...
<sapphire> dwander: yes to many teams to police them all
<Pott> interesting
<Pott> Nancy Lieder is mentally ill: 43.37%
<Pott> Nancy Lieder is a con-artist: 34.94%
<Pott> Nancy Lieder speaks the truth: 21.69%
<Pott> Total Votes: 83
<dwander> they are not mutually exclusive...:)
<Motivez> brb
<sapphire> dwander: i know.  I'm going to be adding more polls
<sapphire> seems that "truth" might be catching up a bit
<Pott> sapphire: The poll is good. What the next one?
<sapphire> I've got a lot of good ideas (some from this channel)
<Pott> How about
<sapphire> they will all go online together
<sapphire> the current poll will not close until May 15, 2003
<sapphire> we will see how the numbers compare to the real world
<sapphire> or we will be dead and not see them :)
<Pott> sapphire: You should have closed it earlier to get those results posted everywhere hhehe
<dwander> hehe...probably a dead issue either way by March
<ukuz> there should be a poll from only those who have understood adequate info about PX
<ukuz> not those who just skim the top
<ukuz> :)\
<dwander> hehe...who decides who is understanding?
<sapphire> ukuz: poll could discriminate those who spent great time researching?
<Pott> ukuz: Those people you could assume are consumed largely by disinformation or inaccurate information.
<dwander> like with all religions...each claims that if you study their info enough, you'll eventually see that they're right...:)
<ukuz> true...then polls are not a good means to measure
<ukuz> :)
<sapphire> dwander: that's true
<dwander> depends what you're measuring
<sapphire> polls are good with opinion, not fact
<sapphire> don't confuse opinion with fact
<sapphire> zeta poll 1.0 is nothing but opinion.  however, the rest of the site is pure ZT
<dwander> get much traffic?
<sapphire> more than i expected
<ukuz> polls should not be used with the intent to disinform
<dwander> why do you think that's the intent?
<sapphire> all i have done is show people what i believe are the "choice" parts of ZT.  It is, none the less, pure ZT
<dwander> do you cover things besides ZT on the site?
<ukuz> did the people have adequate info of the possibilities before they took the poll?
<ukuz> we cannot say, can we?
<dwander> hehe...again, what is adequete?
<ukuz> look it up
<ukuz> hehe
<dwander> people can get as much, or little info as they desire
<dwander> they think they have enough info to vote, so it's adequete!
<sapphire> dwander: havn't had time for anything but ZT, but I plan on covering "chemtrails" next.  Also, a "cult-like" phenomenon
<dwander> hehe...go for the vampires!
<sapphire> i will go for the things which are the most harmful to society...first
<Pott> Sapphire: Start it off like so.... In the new comming age it has many people by that concept "the new comming age" disinformation and misconceptions run wild. Manipulation is commonplace along with radical beliefs.
<dwander> things like our wars on drugs and terror??  :)
<Pott> Weed is ok
<dwander> I'm not sure that most of these things harm society much
<sapphire> pott: your right about "new coming age" crap.  That I will add to my agenda.
<Pott> America has caused more harm than it has ever recieved.
<sapphire> pott: america operates a fortress with skill
<Pott> The whole notion of the new age is what drives it.
<dwander> America was lucky...they managed to kill off the natives and take over most of the continent with almost no fuss
<sapphire> i'm talking now...not yesterday
<Pott> As great as they think they are I don't think they are that great.
<dwander> now we're trying to be world police...it will get us shot eventually
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<sapphire> america tries to be world police because of fear, which is a natural reaction
<dwander> ever-growing fear is what's killing us, true
<sapphire> the more fear the american citizens feel, the greater power the government will have to excercise
<dwander> all the more reason to fear...:)
<dwander> nasty spiral
<sapphire> bin laden and company should have known that provoking US would INCREASE US involvement, not DECREASE
<sapphire> clueless
<dwander> they did
<Pott> Bin Laden works for the CIA
<sapphire> he he
<dwander> they are trying to unite islam against us, not harm us much themselves
<sapphire> islam, (radical) cannot defeat western world.   
<sapphire> a losing battle
<dwander> true, but they'll never believe that
<sapphire> true, at least for the radicals
<dwander> yes, the moderates know they can't win
<sapphire> the moderates want to become like western world
<dwander> some of them...some just want both side to leave them alone
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<Angelic> hi
<dwander> hi
<Angelic> dwander what you doing here? :)) haha
<dwander> wandering, of course!
<Angelic> hehe
<Angelic> read zt or tt?
<dwander> enough of it
<Angelic> what are your thoughts about the whole business?
<ukuz> what is enough?   :)
<dwander> seems highly unlikely, but could be fun to watch reactions
<Angelic> enough to make up his mind I guess, that's why I asked what his thoughts are :)
<ukuz> ok
<ukuz> :)
<Angelic> which part seems highly unlikely?
<Pott> I can't read ZT shit anymore
<Pott> Boring
<dwander> I'm a big science fiction fan, so I don't care much if it's true or not...either is entertaining
<dwander> the gravity and magnetic effects described are both way out there
<Angelic> are you a science student?
<Angelic> I'm not
<dwander> was big on math/science in college, yes
<Angelic> explain why it's way out there :) in short
<ukuz> then you dealt with possibilities like Carl Sagan...
<ukuz> :)
<Pott> ZT either comes from very stupid Aliens or a brialliant person.
<dwander> well, the whole repulsion force idea has no backing whatsoever
<Pott> The whole site has no backing except for Nancy.
<ukuz> man doesnt know what gravity is either
<dwander> and the idea of a magnetic field stoping the earth's rotation from those distances is even worse
<Angelic> has science ever tested the situation?
<dwander> only on very small scales, of course
<Angelic> do small scales proportionally equate to big scales?
<dwander> usually, yes
<Angelic> I ask because science has no example anywhere to look at whether this shift is a possibility, only theories, formulas based on their knowledge about gravity.. I do not know.
<dwander> science has very good data on motion of astronomical bodies...none of it indicates anything close to what ZT is saying
<ukuz> NASA is part of the debunking prosess...
<ukuz> according to ZT  :)
<ukuz> most people who come here to chat understand that...
<sapphire> Interesting how ZT says NASA is hiding truth, THEN uses NASA websites and claims to support itself when appropriate!
<ukuz> true
<dwander> I haven't yet ascertained that there's anything to debunk...:)
<ukuz> http://www.zetatalk.com/
<Angelic> hehe
<ukuz> :)
<dwander> just wait 6 months and see...
<ukuz> exactly Dwander...thats why we are chatting the subject, just in case it does
<ukuz> :)
<dwander> like I said, no prob...I'll have fun either way
<ukuz> not according to Zetas(if it happens)
<dwander> why would I not have fun if it came to pass?
<ukuz> lot of unhappy campers
<Angelic> maybe dwander likes that kinda stuff? :)
<ukuz> maybe
<ukuz> :)
<Angelic> he can't be sure untill it happens because he has no point of reference or anything, but... could be :)
<dwander> I think it would be an easier downfall for us than what might happen otherwise
<Angelic> yes, enslavement isn't fun
<dwander> or bio-war, or various other scenarios
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<dwander> bye all.  Have fun!
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<Pott> OMG look at the size of that dildo
<sapphire> going to sleep
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<Zetazapper> anyone awake here??
<ukuz> ;)
<Zetazapper> :) i think nancy should seek help now before it is too late for her
<ukuz> zapped any Zetas lately?  :)
<Zetazapper> havent seen any.. prefer the softer hybrid skulls...
<ukuz> youre not under the assumption that they exist are you?
<ukuz> :)
<Zetazapper> not exactly but the idea bothers me...
<Zetazapper> this world has enough racial problems...
<ukuz> i see....youre in denial perhaps?
<ukuz> :)
<Zetazapper> a newer improved human bug is not the answer...
<Pott> Perpertrated by the notion of racism.
<Zetazapper> hi pott... lovestarr here...
<Pott> Sup ls
<Pott> Zetazapper hehe
<Zetazapper> not much... too much daylight before beer time...
<Pott> BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<Pott> I got a 6-pack for tonight =)
<Zetazapper> Holland beer too... green bottles...
<Pott> Heineken ?
<Zetazapper> don't know what i will do post pole shift...
<Zetazapper> you got it Pott...:))
<Pott> My buddy and I are importaholics =)
<Pott> ZZ(LS): Ever try Lowenbrau ?
<Zetazapper> not that good.. i prefer my heineken and am content with that...
<Pott> How about Wersinger ?
<Pott> Or Stella Artois ?
<Zetazapper> i found what i like & stick with it...:))
<Zetazapper> beer is not like a woman in that regard...:)
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<butch> hello
<Zetazapper> hi butch
<Pott> Beer is a lot like a woman
<Pott> They both foam.
<Zetazapper> well, just beer tonight...
<Zetazapper> lol..
<butch> hehe
<Pott> They both smell good
<Zetazapper> depends Pott.. come on...
<Zetazapper> go to Bhopal...
<Pott> Differences.... You can always have another beer and the others won'
<Pott> get jelous
<Pott> They're both wet.
<Zetazapper> lol.... i can always buy beer but i can't always buy a woman...
<Zetazapper> well, sundays after 10...
<butch> those sunday laws suck
<Pott> Beer always gets you drunk and woman are often considered intoxicating.
<Zetazapper> Pott... and tastewise???
<Pott> Hmmmmmmmm
<Pott> There is a difference because beer is not made with fish water
<Zetazapper> roflmao...
<Zetazapper> i only eat tuna fish myself...
<Zetazapper> must be the salt water content...
<Pott> Theres a couple little ryhmes to remember
<Pott> If it smells like salmon keep on jammin
<Pott> If it smells like trout get the fuck out
<Pott> If it smells like tuna eat her out with a spoona
<Pott> If it smells like bass just fuck her up the ass
<Zetazapper> Pott... roflmao...!!!!
<Pott> I perfer "rotflasp"
<Zetazapper> hey, what has nancy been up to lately???
<Pott> Rolling On The Floor Laughing And Shitting Pants
<Pott> ZZ: Trying to get dick.
<Zetazapper> first is was summer, then it was fall, then it was December to see this thing...
<Zetazapper> i mean, give me a break...
<butch> the way i understand it, it can be viewed in a few more months, but only in the wee hours of the morning due to the position relative to the sun...in december, it should be visible most of the night...
<ukuz> even if someone did spot PX they would be afraid to say so fearing they might get killed
<Zetazapper> no, it is only visible next april....
<butch> good point , ukuz...
<Zetazapper> oh baloney...
<butch> we're talking with amateur scopes , Zetazapper
<butch> visible to the naked eye in april..
<Zetazapper> oh, okay...
<Zetazapper> but why this putting off the time frame all the time???
<butch> i dunno.
<Zetazapper> you feel strung along at all???
<butch> not really...
<Zetazapper> i don't care much for nancy as you might imagine but events like 5/15/3 are not new
<butch> you're right... doomsday has always been "just around the corner"
<Zetazapper> a lot of other sources say comparable things...
<butch> yes, i think something will happen, whether it's px or something else...there are big changes in store for us as a species..
<Zetazapper> i don't buy into the hybrid program
<butch> mmmm...i see it as a posibility...
<Zetazapper> there are other et groups who strongly resemble us already...
<Zetazapper> they will prevent the zeta takeover of our planet...
<Zetazapper> gotta go for now..bye all...
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<butch> im outta here too.
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<Jenkins3d> hello............................................
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<ukuz_zzz> hi
<Jenkins3d> hi
<Jenkins3d> hi
<Jenkins3d> hello
<Jenkins3d> what is going on?
<Jenkins3d> nothing much
<Jenkins3d> u?
<ukuz_zzz> Jenkins, how do you change the nick name?
<ukuz_zzz> :)
<Jenkins3d> umm  /nick
<Jenkins3d> and then the name
<ukuz_zzz> i cant figure it out...
<ukuz_zzz> hehe
<Jenkins3d>  you need a space after you type /nick
<ukuz_zzz> where do you type it?
<ukuz_zzz> :)
<Jenkins3d> in the thing
<Jenkins3d> where you allways type the stuff
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<ukuz> ahhh...thanks  :)
<ukuz> (im new)
<Jenkins3d> yup
<ukuz> jenkins, have you been thru the taped archives yet of Nancy's radio interviews/
<ukuz> ?
<Jenkins3d> nope
<ukuz> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/media.htm
<Jenkins3d> i herd her on art bell and thats about it
<ukuz> seen this?
<FunBot> I don't know who this? is.
<Jenkins3d> it's always the same stuff though
<ukuz> yeah
<ukuz> :)
<Jenkins3d> seen this?
<FunBot> I don't know who this? is.
<Jenkins3d> saw that?
<Jenkins3d> stupid fun bot
<ukuz> im still going thru that
<ukuz> hehe
<Jenkins3d> see this?
<ukuz> funbot, click on the website i put up...
<ukuz> :)
<Jenkins3d> funbot is a bot
<Jenkins3d> not a person
<ukuz> so why did it respond?
<ukuz> :/
<Jenkins3d> i have no idea
<ukuz> funbot, are you there?
<ukuz> speak now or forever hold your peace...
<ukuz> hehe
<Jenkins3d> who this?
<Jenkins3d> seen this?
<FunBot> I don't know who this? is.
<Jenkins3d> ohh, i think it might be confusing this? for a command
<ukuz> whud ya think Jenkins?
<ukuz> hmmm
<ukuz> interesting
<ukuz> wonder if it'll continue to ask the same question?
<ukuz> hehe
<Jenkins3d> ?help
<Jenkins3d> i for get how to get the help thing from funbot
<Jenkins3d> why wont it work
<ukuz> i thought the bots were nicknames...
<ukuz> hehe
<ukuz> help?
<Jenkins3d> seen this?
<FunBot> I don't know who this? is.
<ukuz> hmmmm
<ukuz> hehe
<ukuz> seen this?
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<ukuz> hehe
<Jenkins3d> se this?
<Jenkins3d> seen that?
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<ukuz> interesting...
<Jenkins3d> yes!
<ukuz> :)
<ukuz> who?
<ukuz> what?
<ukuz> where?
<ukuz> when?
<ukuz> how?
<ukuz> those?
<ukuz> them?
<ukuz> seen who?
<FunBot> I don't know who who? is.
<ukuz> ahhhh....
<ukuz> hehe
<ukuz> seen him?
<FunBot> I don't know who him? is.
<Jenkins3d> seen jenkins3d?
<FunBot> I don't know who jenkins3d? is.
<ukuz> :)
<ukuz> notseen who who who?
<ukuz> seen who who who?
<FunBot> I don't know who who is.
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<Spanky> anyone awake
<[3j]> !
<sapphire> seen spanky
<FunBot> spanky is on the channel right now!
<sapphire> seen NancyL
<FunBot> NancyL was last on IRC channel #ZetaTalk 76 days, 6 hours, 16 minutes ago.
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