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Session Start: Tue Jul 16 13:11:41 2002
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[13:12] <Angelic> hello sapphire
[13:12] <sapphire> hey there
[13:12] <agentY> damn, went to a 'free' porno site, did all the signup shit, didn't do shit
[13:12] <agentY> liars.
[13:12] <sapphire> online porn is all a scam...endless popup windows etc.
[13:13] <agentY> yeah
[13:13] <Angelic> quite gullible for some wank-material there agentY
[13:13] <sapphire> all about "hits"
[13:13] <agentY> i gave it up 4 months ago,
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[13:13] <agentY> but someone was talkin porno sites a bit earlier
[13:13] <sapphire> just get the xtsy channel on DishNetwork
[13:13] <agentY> oh? hehehe
[13:13] <Angelic> yo m8, BIG J :)
[13:13] <Jurian> hey :)
[13:13] <Angelic> all A-ok?
[13:14] <Jurian> jep! :)
[13:14] <agentY> yeah, y don't they install a fucking bit to web browser so u can easily turn off popup windows!
[13:14] <agentY> like press f5 and it turns off popup ability for say 5 minutes
[13:14] <sapphire> i use pop-up stopper
[13:14] <Angelic> there is software that does that
[13:14] <sapphire> it's free, and you'll never see another popup unless you want to
[13:14] <Jurian> ugh, use a real browser :p
[13:15] <Jurian> mozilla baby!! :D
[13:15] <sapphire> mozilla work on xp?
[13:15] <Jurian> why shouldn't it?
[13:15] <sapphire> well....
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[13:15] <agentY> someone should file a 100$million lawsuit for false advertising
[13:15] <agentY> for porno sites.
[13:16] <sapphire> i get a kick out of being "hijacked" to porn site sometimes
[13:16] <agentY> i've never given my cc# online i don't think
[13:16] <Angelic> gonnah makah some grubbah for di tummio
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[13:16] <sapphire> you try to go to online newspaper etc. -- then you are hi-jacked to porn site with never ending popup windows
[13:16] <agentY> i bet some of those cc# only for verification crap...they charge it anyways, and hope u don't complain to cc company
[13:17] <sapphire> i heard on a lot of site, they only run the verify algorithm and don't check the actual card account...so you can use generated numbers
[13:17] <sapphire> not that i've tried it...
[13:17] <agentY> oh?
[13:17] <[123AWAY> agentY I know how to get a membership to some pornsites with cheque ;)
[13:18] <[123AWAY> failsafe
[13:18] <agentY> cheque?
[13:18] <agentY> checks?
[13:18] <[123AWAY> check
[13:18] <sapphire> get a real cc, then run number generator to get possibles
[13:18] <agentY> oh
[13:18] <[123AWAY> we say cheque
[13:18] <[123AWAY> <--- not gonna say
[13:18] <agentY> i gave up porno sites long ago, cause 1. all the free shit is a scam and popups,   2. most porno = pictures of womens faces with cum dripping out of em
[13:19] <Jurian> heh, that's icky
[13:19] <[123AWAY> kinky women
[13:19] <sapphire> different countries have different obsession (perversion)
[13:19] <Pott> I can't stand when you get into a window loop
[13:19] <[123AWAY> I had some of them in real life
[13:19] <agentY> pott yup
[13:19] <[123AWAY> liked them a lot :)
[13:19] <sapphire> USA is big fake tit perversion :)
[13:19] <Jurian> kinky = good :p
[13:19] <[123AWAY> kinky rules big J
[13:19] <[123AWAY> hadone that liked sucking
[13:20] <Jurian> hehe
[13:20] <[123AWAY> damn
[13:20] <[123AWAY> I was like "you hungry or something need some food?"
[13:20] <sapphire> on satellite we have hardcore porn channels here, no need to go online
[13:20] <[123AWAY> get a woman sapph
[13:20] <[123AWAY> ;)
[13:21] <sapphire> got a woman
[13:21] <[123AWAY> lol
[13:21] <sapphire> first you watch porn...then you get to the real business
[13:21] <[123AWAY> ... I was heading for the kitchen to make some food brb
[13:22] <sapphire> anyone seen movie "vanilla sky", I was wondering if it was any good
[13:22] <[3j]> yeah its cool sapph
[13:23] <sapphire> is it worth ordering on ppv?
[13:23] <[3j]> cruise does good acting in that one
[13:23] <[3j]> sure, its just 4 bux
[13:23] <sapphire> ok, i'll check it out then
[13:23] <[3j]> you can prolly save $1 if you go to store :)
[13:23] <sapphire> i still haven't gotten a dvd player yet
[13:24] <sapphire> i'm stubborn
[13:25] <[3j]> oh vanilla sky not out in vhs at all ?
[13:25] <[3j]> get dvd + 5.1 stereo..worth it i think
[13:25] <[3j]> best buy combofor about 500 and its quite a decent system :)
[13:25] <agentY> shit, porno is so popular, but i dont' know 1 person with a legitimate password.
[13:26] <agentY> art bell claims to ahve 20 mill listeners??  don't know 1 person with password to his site
[13:26] <agentY> lying fuckers.
[13:27] <agentY> dunno any1 irl that even listens to bell
[13:27] <agentY> 1 legit porn site,   given by 3j
[13:27] <agentY> http://www.freeworld.dk/div/pics/vibe/vibe8.jpg
[13:28] <sapphire> is that girl someone special, or just a model?
[13:29] <Ogmios> this is some porno channel?
[13:29] <agentY> dunno
[13:29] <agentY> someone special =   ???
[13:30] <sapphire> guess not :)
[13:30] <agentY> damn fuckers running yahoo  install shit  w/o  permission
[13:31] <agentY> there r actually few (if any) sex channel on irc.
[13:31] <agentY> most #sex channels have nerd ops
[13:31] <agentY> don't allow u to talk sex.
[13:31] <agentY> crazy fuckers
[13:32] <agentY> shit its hot in here. turn on a.c bbiaf
[13:33] <agentY> yo yo yo
[13:36] <agentY> shit pott posted one www site, now i've got like freakin 32 windows open.
[13:36] <agentY> cntrl alt del  this crap
[13:36] <Jurian> lol
[13:37] <agentY> ppl shouldnt post those www sites on here
[13:37] <agentY> with the window popups i mean
[13:37] <Jurian> nope :)
[13:37] <Jurian> bbl
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[13:37] <sapphire> oop-up stopper by panicware
[13:37] <sapphire> get it
[13:37] * Pott plays good ole doom!
[13:37] <sapphire> i mean "pop-up stopper"
[13:38] <agentY> ok
[13:38] <agentY> thnks
[13:39] <reticuli> so whats up with motivez... he's always here and says nothing
[13:39] <Ogmios> some spy for sure
[13:39] <sapphire> maybe just logging
[13:40] <reticuli> logging?
[13:40] <[123AWAY> busy with his log?
[13:40] <sapphire> leaving a computer on the channel to record everything.
[13:40] <reticuli> oh
[13:40] <reticuli> is he pro or anti px?
[13:41] <[123AWAY> does that decide your pose towards him? :)
[13:41] <IQx[away]> back folks
[13:41] <reticuli> no, the other day people were speaking of his issues... Wondered what those were
[13:43] <agentY> who.
[13:43] <reticuli> motivez
[13:45] <[123AWAY> can you bring forward one such issue?
[13:46] <[123AWAY> or weren't you able to make them out?
[13:46] <agentY> how do i bring up my ignore window??
[13:46] <agentY> c who is on it??
[13:46] <[123AWAY> hehe
[13:47] <[123AWAY> I can't tell you as I myself do not know for I do not have such a window
[13:47] <IQx[away]> For mIRC : Click on the Address Book : Choose the Control TAB - Enjoy
[13:48] <agentY> ok
[13:48] <agentY> got it thnks
[13:49] <obaway> hi folks
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[13:49] <IQx[away]> hya obany =)
[13:50] <Ogmios> hi
[13:50] <IQx[away]> hey Ogmios
[13:55] <obany> so what was the discussion about in the last 2 hours when i was visiting a friend
[13:55] <reticuli> lots of porn
[13:55] <reticuli> pretty boring
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[13:57] <IQx> brb all
[14:05] <[123AWAY> talk aboot borin'
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[14:11] <ukuz> hi
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[14:12] <Angelic> hi
[14:12] <reticuli> hi
[14:12] <ukuz> anything happening?  :)
[14:12] <reticuli> not really
[14:12] <reticuli> where r u ukuz?
[14:13] <ukuz> Hawaii
[14:13] <reticuli> which island?
[14:14] <Pott> If you think things are boring then get porning.
[14:14] <ukuz> Oahu
[14:14] <ukuz> heh
[14:14] <ukuz> so...no news is good news...heh
[14:15] <Ogmios> porn is boring. overrated
[14:15] <reticuli> yes
[14:15] <Ogmios> animal level..
[14:16] <reticuli> our culture breeds these animals
[14:17] <reticuli> the highest ideal is gratification of the body
[14:17] <ukuz> its just the movies for ya...
[14:18] <reticuli> yes, and television
[14:18] <reticuli> how long have you lived on oahu ukuz? r u from there?
[14:19] <ukuz> born and raise here
[14:19] <ukuz> :)
[14:19] <ukuz> probably die here too  :)
[14:19] <reticuli> are you a haole?
[14:19] <ukuz> hehe
[14:19] <Ogmios> native
[14:19] <ukuz> native
[14:20] <reticuli> ic
[14:20] <Ogmios> nice
[14:20] <ukuz> are you in the states?
[14:20] <reticuli> yes, in seattle
[14:20] <ukuz> cool place
[14:20] <ukuz> i thought of moving there once
[14:20] <Ogmios> finland was cold
[14:20] <reticuli> yeah, I was born here. I have mixed feelings about it though
[14:20] <ukuz> are you in Finland?
[14:21] <Ogmios> but getting warmer and fast
[14:21] <Ogmios> yes
[14:21] <ukuz> i see
[14:21] <reticuli> I have been to hawaii numerous times
[14:21] <ukuz> like it here?
[14:21] <reticuli> it was wonderful
[14:21] <ukuz> :)
[14:21] <reticuli> I have many fond memories from childhood
[14:21] <Ogmios> why it isnt independent nation
[14:22] <reticuli> US fire power
[14:22] <ukuz> wonderfully expensive isnt it
[14:22] <reticuli> :)
[14:22] <ukuz> oh i can see Pearl harbor from my window
[14:22] <reticuli> yes, it is very expensive
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[14:22] <Ogmios> strategic location..
[14:22] <ukuz> tru
[14:23] <reticuli> the Queen of Hawaii was overthrown by the US
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[14:23] <ukuz> lots of good came from being part of the states
[14:24] <ukuz> :)
[14:24] <reticuli> what do you think were the good parts?
[14:25] <ukuz> well besides being taken over by another foreign country, theres ummm...hmmm...
[14:25] <ukuz> hehe
[14:26] <reticuli> lol
[14:26] <ukuz> no im kidding
[14:26] <ukuz> :)
[14:26] <reticuli> oh...
[14:26] <ukuz> were live like people on the U.S. mainland?
[14:26] <reticuli> is that a question?
[14:27] <ukuz> more like an answer
[14:27] <ukuz> to your question
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[14:27] <reticuli> so the quality of life is the good thing
[14:27] <reticuli> canned food, air conditioning, etc
[14:27] <ukuz> yes
[14:27] <Jeremy> yo everyone
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[14:27] <reticuli> hi
[14:28] <Jeremy> hi
[14:28] <Jeremy> the list of users is a little longer I see
[14:28] <reticuli> well the actual quality of life was probably better for the US colonization
[14:28] <ukuz> canned food...lol
[14:28] <reticuli> before the us colonization
[14:28] <reticuli> :)
[14:28] <ukuz> Jack in the Box pal...
[14:28] <reticuli> lololol
[14:28] <ukuz> hehe
[14:29] <ukuz> 99 cents jumbo jacks
[14:29] <Ogmios> big countries eat smaller
[14:29] <Ogmios> a fact
[14:29] <reticuli> hey, when I was 18 I was homeless on maui and I couldnt get a job at jack in the box cuz I had no address, so it did me no good
[14:29] <reticuli> !
[14:29] <ukuz> wow thats rough
[14:30] <reticuli> yeah, well fortunately the samoans didnt kick my ass all over that island
[14:30] <reticuli> :)
[14:30] <ukuz> yeah, they dont get too radical here
[14:31] <reticuli> on oahu?
[14:31] <ukuz> as long as you keep the noise down...shhhhh
[14:31] <ukuz> yeas
[14:31] <reticuli> yeah, but I never had a problem
[14:31] <reticuli> just was respectful
[14:32] <ukuz> so you had fair treatment?
[14:32] <reticuli> i've spent the mostr time on Kauai
[14:32] <reticuli> yes I did
[14:32] <ukuz> :)
[14:32] <ukuz> Kauai is still in yesteryear
[14:32] <ukuz> hehe
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[14:33] <reticuli> I liked it there, spent a lot of time there when I was a child
[14:33] <ukuz> my sister lives there now
[14:33] <ukuz> she loves it
[14:34] <reticuli> my mothers cousin lives there now
[14:34] <ukuz> what part did you live?
[14:34] <reticuli> in princeville
[14:34] <reticuli> oh me
[14:34] <ukuz> yeah
[14:34] <reticuli> I was in kapaa
[14:34] <reticuli> just in the summers
[14:34] <ukuz> i worked up in Kokee
[14:35] <ukuz> about a year back in the early 80's
[14:35] <reticuli> how old are you?
[14:35] <ukuz> im in my fourties
[14:35] <reticuli> 31 here
[14:36] <ukuz> Kauai will always look the same
[14:36] <ukuz> hehe
[14:36] <reticuli> thats good
[14:36] <reticuli> :)
[14:36] <ukuz> slow to develop
[14:36] <ukuz> :)
[14:36] <reticuli> nothing wrong with that
[14:36] <ukuz> my father was raised there
[14:36] <reticuli> except folfs need jobs
[14:36] <reticuli> folks
[14:37] <ukuz> he said the same thing after being away twenty years
[14:37] <ukuz> yeah jobs are hard to find
[14:37] <reticuli> what did he sayt?
[14:37] <ukuz> he said, this place still looks the same...heh
[14:38] <reticuli> :)
[14:38] <reticuli> I havent been there since 1987
[14:38] <ukuz> i see
[14:38] <reticuli> maui in 89
[14:39] <reticuli> that was the last time I went to the islands
[14:39] <ukuz> did you see haleakala
[14:39] <reticuli> can you believe no :(
[14:39] <ukuz> hmmm
[14:39] <ukuz> :)
[14:39] <reticuli> i was 18
[14:39] <reticuli> no car
[14:39] <reticuli> no money
[14:40] <ukuz> well if you havent seen the big island, that should be your next stop
[14:40] <reticuli> I walked from wailuku to kanapali once
[14:40] <reticuli> yes, I would love to go there
[14:40] <ukuz> how far is that?
[14:40] <reticuli> dont remeber
[14:40] <reticuli> days and days
[14:40] <ukuz> wow
[14:40] <ukuz> hehe
[14:40] <reticuli> hehe
[14:41] <ukuz> lots a mosquitos?
[14:41] <ukuz> :)
[14:41] <ukuz> on the way?
[14:41] <reticuli> I dont remeber that as being a problem... I do remeber it was really dry
[14:41] <ukuz> i see
[14:41] <reticuli> no water
[14:42] <reticuli> I had toi stop the occasional car that drove by every two hours or so and ask for liquid
[14:42] <ukuz> thats cutting it close...have you seen IAO needle
[14:42] <ukuz> Iao
[14:43] <reticuli> what is it?
[14:43] <ukuz> its a pointed mountain
[14:43] <ukuz> resembles a needle
[14:43] <reticuli> I dont think so
[14:43] <ukuz> theres a Kenedy profile on the way there
[14:44] <ukuz> JFK
[14:44] <reticuli> strange, I just remeber the sleeping giant on Kauai
[14:44] <reticuli> I did go to the pools in hana
[14:44] <reticuli> I bet that place has really changed
[14:44] <ukuz> was it nice?
[14:45] <reticuli> it was so beautiful -- peaceful
[14:45] <ukuz> are those man made?
[14:45] <reticuli> we swam in the pools and hiked
[14:45] <reticuli> no
[14:45] <reticuli> I dont think so
[14:45] <ukuz> i've only been to maui once during a highschool wresthling match
[14:46] <ukuz> (did i spell that right?) :)
[14:46] <ukuz> hehe
[14:46] <reticuli> i liked kauai a lot more
[14:46] <reticuli> close enough :)
[14:46] <ukuz> been up to the canyon?
[14:46] <reticuli> yes
[14:47] <reticuli> I have hiked there
[14:47] <reticuli> as a child
[14:47] <ukuz> my father used to hunt for goat up there
[14:47] <reticuli> oh! those goats are dangerous
[14:47] <ukuz> i suppose they are
[14:48] <reticuli> they sneak up on you and will butt you off the cliffs
[14:48] <ukuz> have you seen the satellite tracking station up there?
[14:48] <ukuz> hehe
[14:48] <reticuli> on the napali coast?
[14:49] <ukuz> just before KoKee
[14:49] <reticuli> I just remeber the missle tests at barking sands
[14:49] <reticuli> dont remeber the sattelite place
[14:49] <ukuz> i see
[14:49] <reticuli> its been 15 years since i've been there
[14:50] <ukuz> it would be nice to see the same-o place again wouldnt it...
[14:50] <ukuz> :)
[14:50] <reticuli> it would
[14:50] <reticuli> :)
[14:51] <Pott> Holy shit a lot of people here today
[14:51] <reticuli> what do you think of px ukuz?
[14:51] <ukuz> when I worked up in Kokee coworkers would tell me of some strange things that happened there
[14:51] <Pott> Like what?
[14:52] <Jeremy> Pott: A fair number of people, yes
[14:52] <reticuli> what part of the isalnd is kokee on?
[14:52] <ukuz> like an old hawaiian lady at night that would appear in your back seat on the way don the 13 mile road
[14:53] <ukuz> then disapear
[14:53] <ukuz> hehe
[14:53] <reticuli> thats good!
[14:53] <reticuli> :)
[14:53] <Pott> Should say "Hey Baby Wanna Dance?
[14:53] <reticuli> yeah, then you would feel her wrath pott
[14:53] <ukuz> i dont think an old hawaiian lady would wanna dance
[14:53] <ukuz> hehe
[14:53] <reticuli> :)
[14:53] <Pott> Limbo
[14:54] <Pott> Well thats how she probably died broke her back.
[14:54] <reticuli> what an idiot
[14:54] <ukuz> hehe
[14:54] <reticuli> :)
[14:54] <ukuz> thats the home of the Menehunes
[14:54] <ukuz> KoKee
[14:54] <reticuli> she was probably an old witch or sorcerer
[14:55] <ukuz> well people say that she walks the road at night
[14:55] <ukuz> and youre suppose to stop and offer her a ride
[14:56] <reticuli> they'd probably find pott strung up on a rope in the morning
[14:56] <ukuz> heh
[14:56] <ukuz> the place is pitch black
[14:56] <ukuz> hehe
[14:57] <reticuli> my little sister saw a ghost the other day... other people around here have seen her recently
[14:57] <reticuli> she is old, has white hair, and looks really crazed, she walk the roads at night
[14:57] <reticuli> shes the type you would not pick up
[14:58] <reticuli> well, maybe pott would ;)
[14:58] <ukuz> oh hehe
[14:58] <reticuli> what do you think of zetatalk ukuz?
[14:58] <ukuz> hey pott, you hav'n fun yet?
[14:58] <ukuz> hehe
[14:59] <reticuli> :)
[14:59] <ukuz> he's probably loading up right now
[14:59] <ukuz> :)
[14:59] <reticuli> lol
[14:59] <reticuli> lost his stash
[15:00] <ukuz> hehe
[15:00] <reticuli> picking out green crumbs from the carpet or scraping his pipe probably
[15:00] <reticuli> or beating off
[15:00] <ukuz> i used to think Zetatalk was the only place i should focus on, but not any more
[15:01] <ukuz> hehe
[15:01] <reticuli> do you think px is comming?
[15:01] <ukuz> my gut sez yes
[15:01] <ukuz> :/
[15:01] <Jeremy> mine certainly does
[15:01] <ukuz> but i dont know about aliens talking
[15:02] <ukuz> not too sure its true
[15:02] <reticuli> or smiling
[15:02] <reticuli> next thing you now they will be surfing!
[15:02] <reticuli> j/k
[15:02] <reticuli> :)
[15:02] <ukuz> hehe...Nancy does have good tips on survival
[15:03] <ukuz> i gotta give her that
[15:03] <obany> mine does also... and i take ZetaTalk serious too.. the contact Nancy has
[15:03] <reticuli> so you are certain then jeremy?
[15:03] <Jeremy> yes  .. certain signs tell me
[15:03] <Jeremy> but I can't say with 100% certainty
[15:04] <ukuz> dont forget the Fatima prophecy too
[15:04] <ukuz> its there
[15:04] <reticuli> yes, that is critical
[15:04] <ukuz> the part about PX isnt out in front yet
[15:05] <ukuz> they may decide later
[15:05] <reticuli> tell me more ukuz, I have been feeling like that is an integral part of this
[15:06] <ukuz> if youre Catholic or of any Christian faith its inline with your beleif, i think
[15:07] <Pott> Nancy has enough meat on her to survive a long while
[15:07] <reticuli> pott. get over nancy, she doesnt like you
[15:07] <Jeremy> Look at all the effort that Nancy has gone to putting ZT together. Has any previous prophet of future cataclysms gone to such lengths?
[15:07] <ukuz> I think Bailey sent me info of the part that was left out of the 3rd Fatima prophecy
[15:08] <Pott> Good
[15:08] <Pott> She dislikes me.
[15:08] <ukuz> want it forwarded to ya?
[15:08] <reticuli> that would be great
[15:09] <Pott> Jeremy: Who has really had the oppertunity to take it to such lengths without intervention?
[15:09] <reticuli> intervention?
[15:10] <reticuli> you mean messed with by some nut who is obsessed with her?
[15:10] <Jeremy> intervention from what?
[15:10] <Pott> For instance in the past anyone spreading anything like Nancy would be killed.
[15:11] <obany> well Nancy is not a prophet or so but i know what you mean .. In my opinion, ther is no way that it could all be just made up
[15:11] <Jeremy> Pott: maybe in some cases, not all though
[15:11] <Pott> It's not exactly what you have to offer but it is that ambition that people don't like.
[15:11] <reticuli> your stoned
[15:11] <reticuli> :)
[15:11] <Pott> BlazeD
[15:12] <reticuli> yeah, I can tell
[15:12] <Jeremy> As I said look at the sheer effort. And the survival advice she provides is freely available on the website
[15:12] <Pott> Eating worms
[15:12] <Jeremy> one option
[15:14] <reticuli> what would it take to convince you of the veracity of Nancy's claims pott?
[15:15] <obany> reticuli: i think that pole shift itself, or ?
[15:16] <reticuli> even then I think he would think that the zetas were lying
[15:16] <reticuli> or talking shit as he sank in a tidal wve
[15:16] <Jeremy> I'm believe most who attend this channel will believe when there is an indisputable sighting of PX in the autmun, or maybe even a very bizarre event that ties in with ZT
[15:18] <ukuz> well, i heard Nancy on Art bell show say that they may make contact with us after the Poleshift and maybe give things like a Battery that never would go dead
[15:18] <obany> ukuz: that's only for the real service to other groups
[15:18] <Jeremy> correct
[15:19] <reticuli> I believe that has already happenned
[15:19] <Jeremy> what has happened reticuli?
[15:19] <obany> i doubt so reticuli
[15:19] <obany> anyway http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t40.htm
[15:19] <ukuz> but hey, i want some alien technology help now on how to build a simple electric generator that uses no fuel/solar/wind energy
[15:19] <reticuli> or is happenning now, technology transfers to STO groups
[15:20] <ukuz> wouldnt that be great?
[15:20] <Ogmios> http://www.rense.com/general27/mysteriousgianthuman.htm
[15:20] <reticuli> I met some people involved this weekend
[15:20] <Jeremy> The Zetas emphasise that we are dependent on our own actions
[15:21] <Jeremy> Ogmios: I read that rense.com article this morning..
[15:21] <ukuz> you mean the aliens are not suppose to help us?
[15:21] <Jeremy> They will help is, but we should not count on it
[15:21] <Jeremy> is=us
[15:21] <Ogmios> anunnaki skeleton?
[15:21] <Jeremy> Only 6 foot though
[15:22] <Jeremy> maybe an Anunnaki teenager...
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[15:22] <ukuz> maybe they want us to struggle
[15:22] <ukuz> then help
[15:23] <ukuz> be right back
[15:23] <Jeremy> they will give to those communites they approve of, I think
[15:24] <obany> there are some points mentioned in that url i provied about the power packs
[15:24] <reticuli> ok, I dont see anywhere on the link you sent Obany that says they wont share this technology b4 the shift
[15:24] <Jeremy> yeah, thx obany
[15:25] <reticuli> thanxs obany
[15:25] <reticuli> but do they ever say that this cannot happen b4 the shift
[15:25] <Jeremy> I read that the batteries will be dropped off very quickly at STO communities
[15:26] <TheViking> Read definition of real STO... and I guess not many of us meet the "standards" :-\
[15:26] <ukuz> you see, Nancy has talked about only current technologies on how to survive
[15:26] <obany> reticuli: http://www.zetatalk.com/call/c14.htm  
[15:27] <reticuli> ok, so it is possible for these technologies to be available now?
[15:28] <obany> reticuli: well the power pack won't be deliverd to real STO groups before th shift
[15:28] <ukuz> why not obany?
[15:28] <reticuli> Can you direct me to where the zetas say this obany?
[15:28] <ukuz> arent they like the Peacecorp?
[15:29] <ukuz> so theyre suppose to help...
[15:29] <ukuz> :)
[15:29] <obany> ukuz: some time ago there was an anser in the session
[15:29] <ukuz> and help prepare...
[15:29] <Jeremy> before the shift humans are able to develop their own power generators
[15:29] <Jeremy> why should they be given power packs before shift?
[15:30] <Jeremy> that would just send a message that aliens are here to look after us
[15:30] <ukuz> well, after the pole shift, we wont have sulight
[15:30] <ukuz> and maybe no wind
[15:30] <IQx> After the poleshift we are no more guys
[15:30] <TheViking> hehe  you'll have wind allright :-)
[15:30] <[3j]> maybe no wind?
[15:30] <ukuz> maybe not afterwards
[15:30] <TheViking> like living in a tornado :-\
[15:30] <ukuz> :)
[15:30] <IQx> And yes,  there will be winds, powerful tornadoes, hurricanes, storms, etc.
[15:30] <[3j]> if rotation stops, all the air will start moving
[15:30] <[3j]> at same speed earth was rotating ...
[15:31] <IQx> yes [3j]
[15:31] <ukuz> lets say about a month after the chaos
[15:31] <[3j]> divide earth diameter/24 = speed rotation
[15:31] <IQx> After a month, most of the survivors will be dead.
[15:31] <reticuli> "Mankind, as scientists or researchers, can however give The Call for assistance on technological progress, and it is possible that this call will be answered. " --- my understanding of this then is that the zetas, prior to the shift will help us develop our own technology.. after the shift then they will give it to some
[15:31] <IQx> The lucky ones wont make it
[15:31] <TheViking> And you got a strom like never before :-\
[15:32] <obany> here about the lift
[15:32] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t55.htm
[15:32] <IQx> reticuli: Technology such as indefinite power batteries will be offered to STO communities
[15:32] <TheViking> Corporate money will grabb the tech and keep it for themselves :-9
[15:32] <Jeremy> Hi IQx, haven't seen you for a long time
[15:32] <IQx> TheViking: What good would that tech give them ? A few weeks/months, thats the most it will last
[15:32] <IQx> Hya Jeremy, was a bit busy
[15:32] <ukuz> why the wait tho?
[15:32] <ukuz> we have the materials available stil
[15:33] <IQx> ukuz: Materials for what ?
[15:33] <ukuz> later we might not
[15:33] <TheViking> But others wouldn't get it... that would be the point
[15:33] <IQx> Yes, others wont.
[15:33] <IQx> Only those who have potential of survival would be help in such extreme ways
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[15:34] <IQx> If the ETs see a group which is on the STS side and has no 'future' (hehe), little or no help will be provided
[15:34] <Jeremy> Its no good receiveing a power pack if you don't have any electrical deveices .. there will be a wide variety of survival communites after the shift
[15:35] <TheViking> Probably most groups will be too small to use any technology...  due to what support any technology would require.
[15:35] <IQx> Yes, and those who will save the whatever (radios, communication devices, computers?) will be able to use them in a limited amount
[15:35] <reticuli> i agree
[15:35] <ukuz> well i'd like to use the electricity to grow plants
[15:35] <reticuli> art bell could keep broadcasting
[15:35] <IQx> Possibly, but having a powersource, might provide one with heat, light, and other resourcecs.
[15:35] <IQx> resources*
[15:35] <reticuli> with a perpretual power source
[15:35] <ukuz> not to wmoke, Pott
[15:35] <Jeremy> IQx: Are you more convinced about next year since I last spoke to you?
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[15:35] <ukuz> smoke
[15:35] <ukuz> hehe
[15:36] <IQx> Jeremy: No idea.
[15:36] <reticuli> hehe
[15:36] <Jeremy> IQx: ok
[15:36] <reticuli> pott would try and get high on the zeta power bateries
[15:36] <TheViking> The electricity production equipment will most likely be destroyed as most require electronict for controll.  Doubt electronics will survive a magnetic influance that will shift poles.
[15:36] <ukuz> i mean, if i have a family, and im denied a powerpack, then my whole family starves
[15:36] <ukuz> :)
[15:36] <TheViking> Almost like an EMP
[15:37] <IQx> TheViking: Absolutely, most computer hardware will be malfunctioning
[15:37] <TheViking> Ukuz:  you cot to think 1800 or further back.  Go join the Amish and learn
[15:37] <TheViking> I'm going "Viking age" :-)
[15:37] <Jeremy> ukuz: you could try lighting a camp fire to cook food
[15:38] <[3j]> how will electronics be affected?
[15:38] <ukuz> im thinking Hydroponics
[15:38] <[3j]> according to zeta, tech can be saved
[15:39] <ukuz> looks like its gonna be hosed 3j
[15:39] <IQx> I'll sell the DELL Computers for $3.99 ZTD (ZetaDollar)
[15:39] <TheViking> If you have a hydroelectric turbine/generator it will rotate if water is added, but excitation system is today electronic controlled.  Very few, if any are "ald fashion and hardly any would know how to convert to "old fashion"
[15:39] <Jeremy> I still need to get foam padding to wrap around some of my gear. ZY says you should plan to wrap up items as if they were to be dropped 500 feet, I think
[15:39] <TheViking> You better sell them fast :-)
[15:40] <IQx> The generator will break down in a few months anyway
[15:40] <IQx> Thanks to the laws of friction ;)
[15:40] <reticuli> who needs electricity
[15:40] <TheViking> lolo...  Ever jumped from 500 fett?
[15:40] <[3j]> anyone within there right mind
[15:40] <TheViking> feet
[15:40] <reticuli> electricity?
[15:40] <IQx> Only if I had 500 feet, I have only 2. ;)
[15:40] <Jeremy> hehe
[15:40] <Jeremy> come on, you know what I mean :)
[15:41] <reticuli> i mean for most of our evolutiuon we survived fine without it
[15:41] <[3j]> human civ must progress not regress. I dont know why the zetas are so keen to encourage surviros to embrace life as it "was" instead of focusing on saving humanity as it is
[15:41] <reticuli> becasue its screwed as it is
[15:41] <TheViking> Talk to the municipality near you and find out where the old landfills are.  They are and will be generating methane gas
[15:41] <[3j]> how is it screwed?
[15:41] <reticuli> cuz we would kill ourselves off given enought time
[15:41] <IQx> Brb
[15:41] <TheViking> Dig in them and you find old food you can either cook or feed to worms :-)
[15:41] <[3j]> we could of killed ourselves 57 years ago
[15:42] <Angelic> Viking, you know how to convert to old fashion one of the modern type generators?
[15:42] <reticuli> technology always increases the amount of work people must do... it enslaves us, we serve the machines
[15:42] <reticuli> good riddance
[15:42] <[3j]> its the other way around
[15:42] <TheViking> I would have to refresh my knowledge.  But what to use it for..  need all the otehr stuff also :-)
[15:42] <reticuli> no, its not
[15:42] <IQx> Worms !
[15:42] <[3j]> yes, it is
[15:42] <IQx> :)
[15:42] <reticuli> lol
[15:42] <[3j]> an ice box versus your maytag fridge, which one is the most work
[15:42] <IQx> I did an experiment of growing worms
[15:43] <TheViking> you said it retticuli....  enslave us :-)
[15:43] <reticuli> hey, have you ever studied anthropology 3j?
[15:43] <[3j]> your car versus your horse carriage
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[15:43] <Jeremy> IQx: yeah I remember watching your webcam
[15:43] <IQx> Alright all, brb everyone =)
[15:43] <TheViking> IQx: and?
[15:43] <reticuli> its not a choice, we must have the car
[15:43] <Angelic> enslavement is in your mind
[15:43] <reticuli> thats enslavement
[15:43] <IQx> Too bad ZT is not quite 'making it' with the PX promise.
[15:43] <[3j]> nope
[15:43] <[3j]> you can own a horse and a carriage
[15:43] <reticuli> yeah, so is everyhting angelic, whats your point?
[15:43] <[3j]> and you can ride it around town, no problem
[15:44] <reticuli> town, who needs towns
[15:44] <IQx> There wont be towns.
[15:44] <IQx> There wont be horses.
[15:44] <TheViking> Good thing we all don't aown a horse an carrige..  That would be pollution BIG TIME.
[15:44] <IQx> We'd be lucky if any animal species survive.
[15:44] <reticuli> lol
[15:44] <TheViking> They will survie, like us :-)
[15:44] <IQx> TheViking: More pollution comes from owning a car than having 5 horses.
[15:44] <IQx> TheViking: Oh yes, thanks to their advanced technology. =)
[15:45] <[3j]> so reticuli how is technology more work ?
[15:45] <ukuz> what will the horses eat?
[15:45] <IQx> Nothing
[15:45] <TheViking> IQx: true, but different type of pollution.  Figure EVERYBODY with a horse and all the shit in the street...
[15:45] <IQx> Too little plant live will live.
[15:45] <Jeremy> the food chain will be massively affected of course
[15:45] <IQx> It will take about 4 shares of a human like food to feed a horse.
[15:45] <TheViking> That's where western movies forget.  not enough shit in the streets :-)
[15:45] <Jeremy> lo
[15:45] <Jeremy> lol
[15:45] <IQx> You will have a hard time feeding yourself, forget about a horse.
[15:46] <TheViking> Stock up a few barreles of salt...   then you are ready to harvest whatever :-)
[15:46] <reticuli> look, 3j, go out and educate yourself about the evolution of mankind, the average hunter gatherer worked about 25 hours a week, that included child care, hunting, gathering, cooking food, repairing tools, transportation etc, if you added up all the stuff that the average citizen of the world has to do today to survive it would be close to 100 hours a week. So it is not true that technonlogy frees us. It enslaves us. The more technically adva
[15:46] <TheViking> Come to Norway and join me next to an inland glacier and enjoy nice cold fresh water :-)
[15:47] <TheViking> Or an icecube.  
[15:47] <reticuli> sounds good. skol!
[15:47] <TheViking> hehe perhaps that's what Nancy means with icecubes :-)
[15:47] <ukuz> t
[15:47] <TheViking> YOu bring the whisky and I'll supply the ice..
[15:47] <[3j]> uh
[15:47] <[3j]> 25 hours a week?
[15:48] <reticuli> yes
[15:48] <IQx> BRB, Going to do the Laundry using the Machines and Soap to Wash the clothes, and a Machine Dryer to Dry it Up
[15:48] <IQx> ;)
[15:48] <IQx> Cya all
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[15:48] <Jeremy> bye IQx
[15:48] <reticuli> have you studied anthropology 3j?
[15:48] <[3j]> from the same people who said we evolved from apes eh?
[15:48] <[3j]> technology frees us
[15:48] <reticuli> no, it is said that we have a common ancestor
[15:48] <reticuli> and we are apes
[15:48] <reticuli> duh
[15:48] <Angelic> we are humans
[15:48] <Angelic> duh
[15:49] <reticuli> humans are apes
[15:49] <Jeremy> goodnight, probably see you here tomorrow
[15:49] <TheViking> hehe acting like apes :-)
[15:49] <reticuli> later
[15:49] <reticuli> lol
[15:49] <[3j]> also, back in the stone age reticuli, you would know that the average life span was very short
[15:49] <Angelic> no we are classed human
[15:49] <Jeremy> night
[15:49] <ukuz> we branch off from an ape specie
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[15:49] <IQx[BRB]> We need technology, it may enslave us in some ways, it frees us in others.
[15:49] <ukuz> or monkey
[15:49] <reticuli> yes, because people want to claim that we are better than animals, so they create a special category to put us in
[15:50] <reticuli> its all hubris
[15:50] <Angelic> nothing to do with being better, all species are classified
[15:50] <IQx[BRB]> Without the prehistoric man making the first tool (axe) or using fire to cook food, I dont believe we wouldve evolved so fast.
[15:50] <reticuli> ape is not a species
[15:50] <[3j]> right
[15:50] <[3j]> compare how long it takes to make a fire rubbing sticks... versus using a lighter
[15:50] <IQx[BRB]> Its us, as more 'intelligent' species of known Earth genus, that use the TOOLS to evolve and advance
[15:50] <Angelic> among all apes in the biology books human isn't among them
[15:50] <IQx[BRB]> Technology -- We do need it.
[15:50] <reticuli> chimps and gorillans and orangs are all considered apes
[15:51] <Angelic> we are not
[15:51] <reticuli> yet they are not the same speacies
[15:51] <[3j]> iqx, exactly
[15:51] <ukuz> interesting
[15:51] <IQx[BRB]> We are of the class of Sapiens
[15:51] <reticuli> actually we have more in common with chimps than chimps do with orangs
[15:51] <IQx[BRB]> Homo Sapiens
[15:51] <[3j]> and what I'm saying is why are the zetas encouraging survivors to embrace a lifestyle without tech
[15:51] <ukuz> thx for the clarification
[15:51] <ukuz> :)
[15:51] <IQx[BRB]> We did actually branch off from a 'form' of an Ape Lookalike
[15:51] <IQx[BRB]> But it isnt much like the real Ape
[15:51] <[3j]> its like prepare for a long camp trip
[15:51] <IQx[BRB]> They did discover bones of other species that looked very closely like us, but probably didnt survive.
[15:52] * obany goes now bye and goodnight take care sleep well
[15:52] <IQx[BRB]> G'Night obany
[15:52] <reticuli> so why angelic are orangs and chimps put in the category 'ape" and human are not
[15:52] <IQx[BRB]> Wow, what was that word....
[15:52] <IQx[BRB]> Welterusten ?
[15:52] <Angelic> actually, reticuli, that only goes so far if you mean genetics
[15:52] <[3j]> instead of stock up on energy sources, archive information, make plans to bring back industry, etc etc
[15:52] <[3j]> zetas and tt wants people to stock up on tents, water proof matches and beans
[15:52] <IQx[BRB]> [3j]: How about doing all that and more
[15:52] <reticuli> yes, and if you mean something else then you are not looking at the biology of it
[15:52] <[3j]> iqx, much more i agree
[15:52] <obany> bye
[15:53] <IQx[BRB]> [3j]: No, ZT & TT want people to stock up on knowledge and experiencee.
[15:53] <IQx[BRB]> [3j]: Tools will not last, neither the beans or power sources.
[15:53] <ukuz> what if you end up losing everything during the PS?
[15:53] <[3j]> then your screwed
[15:53] <ukuz> hehe
[15:53] <IQx[BRB]> [3j]: But having the ability to control the environment, build a shelter, find food and give comfort to oneself (fire, heat) is what we really need
[15:53] <[3j]> the point here is to prepare correctly so your not..
[15:53] <reticuli> you think we are not apes because of our culture angelic?
[15:53] <ukuz> bingo!
[15:53] -obany:#Troubled_Times- bye and goodnight
[15:54] <IQx[BRB]> [3j]: You already have about 5% chance of survival, Dont be celebrating in your shelter during the PS, you will die my dear friend.
[15:54] <IQx[BRB]> Then 6 months later after the PS, about 60-80% of the surivors will be no more.
[15:54] <[3j]> iqx, yes what we really need .... but what we need and what we can achieve, important to distinguish
[15:54] <TheViking> 5% is better than in Lotto :-)
[15:54] <IQx[BRB]> Those who are left will be either mentally ill because of the changes, or the more thoughtful one will develop communities.
[15:55] <[3j]> we can dull our wits and live just to eat fuck and die so the aliens can harvest us
[15:55] <obany> bye
[15:55] <IQx[BRB]> Human race is possibly... I repeat possibly no more.
[15:55] <[3j]> or we can be prepared for px and survive
[15:55] <[3j]> and exist afterwards for another 3600 years
[15:55] <TheViking> Planet Earth need a break
[15:55] <IQx[BRB]> [3j]: We will, but the Earth will be 'shared' now.
[15:55] <IQx[BRB]> We give the place to a new form of 'us' and the 'Zetas'
[15:56] <reticuli> yep
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> Hybrids are sort of our 'children'
[15:56] <[3j]> i dont believe that crap
[15:56] <TheViking> People in India got a nice advice from ZT.
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> Although there will be humans, there will be those also.
[15:56] <[3j]> hybrid is just a story to cover up a takeover
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> Alright
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> I am off.
[15:56] <reticuli> by iq
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> I just tell of what ZT says, your judgement is appreciated.
[15:56] <[3j]> yeah i know what zt says
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> But no heat and flames, no point, we all here dont quite believe in everything ZT says
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> Cya all
[15:56] <IQx[BRB]> brb
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[15:57] <[3j]> to blindly accept that its for the better good to slowly transform into aliens, doesnt make sense
[15:57] <[3j]> kinda like going in line to the gas chambers to "get cleaned in the showers" as it was said
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[15:58] <reticuli> your consciuosness is totally fear based 3j
[15:58] <Angelic> I know that we compare to chimpansees' genes, but funny thing "reticuli" is that the quantity of common genes does not say much at all.. before you jump the gun know that it's not the number of genes in common that is the most important, but mostly in what sequence genes are put in
[15:58] <TheViking> "Arbeit macht frei" the sign read.
[15:58] <Angelic> and 1 differencein the sequence actually can make a world of difference
[15:59] <[3j]> ret what? fear based?
[15:59] <reticuli> yep, and we have more sequences in common with chimps than chimps do with orangs, yet we call them both apes, why is that?
[15:59] <[3j]> there is no fear, I just prefer that humanity survives
[15:59] <reticuli> i know
[15:59] <reticuli> we may
[15:59] <reticuli> but not because anything we do
[16:00] <[3j]> i mean if you want your wife to give birth to freaks and mutants (and that is how they will appear to you on the birth day) fine
[16:00] <[3j]> you go on there ships
[16:00] <[3j]> i on the other hand am quite happy with having hair, 12 fingers and 8 toes
[16:00] <Angelic> look at them then look at yourself... hmm maybe nt, look at nancy,hmmmm sorry ... look at the common man on the street.. we are not ape, just as ape-man was not human, and an albatros isn't a seagul
[16:00] <[3j]> and a head with nose/mouth/eyes
[16:00] <ukuz> dont forget the two holes...
[16:01] <ukuz> hehe
[16:01] <reticuli> use your head angelic, we look a lot more like chimps than chimps look like orangs
[16:01] <Angelic> well, maybe you do
[16:02] <reticuli> my point is that the definition of human comes down to a value judgement
[16:02] <ukuz> where is this leading to?
[16:02] <ukuz> ok
[16:02] <[3j]> oh and here is the pinnacle of technology and how it can free humanity: http://www.honda.co.jp/ASIMO/
[16:02] <reticuli> nowhere, angelic denies the obvious
[16:02] <Angelic> oh i thought you were so rigidly moving behind your biology book
[16:02] <[3j]> the only reason, reticuli, that you say there is enslavement, is due to the greed that drives society today
[16:02] <Angelic> true
[16:03] <Angelic> that is why i said enslavement is in the mind
[16:03] <Angelic> not in the tools
[16:03] <reticuli> my point has been and still is that the only thing that seperates us from the apes is our belief that we are different
[16:03] <reticuli> we are the product of out tools
[16:03] <[3j]> apes are less intelligent
[16:03] <reticuli> in fact, because of them, we are totally dependent on them
[16:03] <reticuli> yes, but try and define intellignece
[16:04] <reticuli> if we lose our tools we die
[16:04] <reticuli> thats dependence
[16:04] <reticuli> we work for them
[16:04] <[3j]> so we just make new tools
[16:04] <[3j]> its that simple
[16:04] <reticuli> no, new tools remake us
[16:04] <[3j]> just like if we have no water, we go find some
[16:04] <Angelic> tools are productions by us, we are not a priduct of our tools..
[16:05] <[3j]> or just like if we had no food, we go get some
[16:05] <reticuli> thats a misconception angelic
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[16:05] <ukuz> An alien powerpack would suffice for me...
[16:05] <Angelic> reticuli, it is the truth
[16:05] <ukuz> then i can grow my hydroponic plants
[16:05] <[3j]> alien powerpacks = a way for the aliens to find survivors and kidnap them
[16:05] <ukuz> :)
[16:05] <ukuz> ahhhhhhhh
[16:06] <[3j]> better off rigging some hydro power thing :)
[16:06] <[3j]> windpower
[16:06] <[3j]> many things..
[16:06] <[3j]> wave power!
[16:06] <ukuz> if you can find the parts
[16:06] <ukuz> hehe
[16:06] <reticuli> people design tools all the time, the only thing that determines if the rest of the monkeys pick them up is need. And those needs are circumsatntila and detrmined by the logic of the othe rtools we are using. Therefore, at no time do we ever decide to use or not use. It is already decided
[16:06] <Angelic> lol
[16:07] <[3j]> no..
[16:07] <[3j]> reticuli if you wanted to, you can just drop all your possessions and run away from civilization and live in a forest alone
[16:07] <Angelic> never mind your to far into your own reasoning to look from a distance and see the sillyness of it and I am too tired to put my energy to this foolish reasoning
[16:07] <[3j]> you wont need no tools then, and it was a choice
[16:08] <[3j]> your free to choose if you wish to use a tool or not
[16:08] <reticuli> of course , because my logic is sound and you have nothing to say to disprove it
[16:08] <reticuli> except insults
[16:08] <[3j]> no because angelic is tired, yet i'm telling you how your wrong
[16:08] <[3j]> btw, no one is throwing insults at you
[16:09] <reticuli> calling my reasoning silly is an insult 3j
[16:09] <Angelic> gimme a break its freaking 1:08 in the night here
[16:09] <reticuli> ok, we can continue later
[16:09] <Angelic> 3j seems like willing to discuss
[16:10] <[3j]> uhh
[16:10] <[3j]> after this " calling my reasoning silly is an insult 3j "
[16:10] <Angelic> :p
[16:10] <[3j]> i dont know
[16:10] <ukuz> Nancy said they may hand out Batteries that dont go dead...
[16:10] <[3j]> im afraid i'll insult him by saying something
[16:10] <reticuli> lol
[16:10] <ukuz> alien technology
[16:10] <[3j]> yup
[16:10] <reticuli> of course you will, my ideas challenge your worldview
[16:10] <ukuz> i could use them to grow my indoor plants
[16:10] <[3j]> energizer, keep on going ?
[16:10] <[3j]> hehe mr hydro
[16:11] <[3j]> you gona grow some mawi wawi? hehe is that how its spelt
[16:11] <reticuli> you two have accepted the ideology of western culture
[16:11] <reticuli> without question
[16:11] <ukuz> close enuff...:)
[16:11] <[3j]> ret its the idea of evolution: look at zetas, do you think they do not have any tech???
[16:11] <reticuli> I ma not arguing against it
[16:11] <[3j]> ukuz cool
[16:12] <[3j]> your in hawaii right? you must have access to that kind of seeds..
[16:12] <reticuli> I am sugesting a different relationship with technology
[16:12] <Angelic> I get the idea, correct me as you will, you are under the impression that you hold THE answer.. otherwise you would not assume that "your" ideas are so world challenging
[16:13] <reticuli> no angelic, I dont suffer the impression that I have the "Answer". I am more interested in good questions
[16:13] <ukuz> i may even be able to build an alien powerpack if the give me the plans...hehe
[16:13] <[3j]> then reticuli, your actions are weaker than your words, else why would you even be here today on irc?
[16:13] <Angelic> you are interested in good questions because?
[16:14] <[3j]> angelic someone warned me about reticuli and said just what you wrote up there.. hehe
[16:14] <Angelic> ow
[16:14] <reticuli> because truth is found in ambiguity, good questions allow us to live well
[16:14] <reticuli> warned about "reticuli" lol
[16:15] <[3j]> so what will you do without technology after the shift reticuli?
[16:15] <[3j]> all of this stuff is nice theories
[16:16] <[3j]> but without tools, tech, anything... what do you plan on doing to survive?
[16:16] <reticuli> assuming there is a shift I will try and survive and lay low, be mobile and armed
[16:16] <reticuli> and I never said I would not have tools, or tech, you are jumping to conclusions
[16:17] <[3j]> well its what your preaching.
[16:17] <reticuli> no, its not
[16:17] <Angelic> but how do you value your ideas which are so world challenging to 3j then? I mean, you must value them higher than his. And why so happy about questions and not about answers and still take on the pose as if your answer/idea is the superior one? I don't get that.
[16:17] <reticuli> its the socratic method, a rhetorical device aimed at getting to the truth
[16:18] <Angelic> so you agree that you know not the truth at all
[16:18] <reticuli> no, i wont agree to that, I think we all know the truth within us
[16:18] <[3j]> reticuli you can try to perfect your body and mind to the point where technology would always be inferior to yourself...
[16:18] <Angelic> do you know?
[16:18] <[3j]> but i dont see that happening for any human
[16:18] <reticuli> but the challenge is asking the right questions
[16:18] <[3j]> not without many more hundred of years of research and new technology
[16:19] <Angelic> do you know the truth and what does it say?
[16:20] <reticuli> I already answered your question angelic
[16:20] <Angelic> or is you truth only of value to you, where every individual has his own truth?
[16:20] <reticuli> do you not understand
[16:20] <Angelic> I must have asked the wrong question
[16:21] <Angelic> actually that was a cop out
[16:21] <Angelic> and you know it
[16:21] <reticuli> well try again
[16:21] <Angelic> see above
[16:21] <reticuli> maybe you can do it next time
[16:22] <[3j]> hmm
[16:22] <Angelic> quite silly
[16:22] <[3j]> it seems to be that your opinion is right reticuli
[16:22] <[3j]> and mine, and ang's is wrong
[16:22] <Angelic> you act as if you know but you show you do not reticuli
[16:22] <[3j]> so is cmels, motivez
[16:23] <[3j]> ogmios and potts too
[16:23] <reticuli> whats my opinon
[16:23] <Angelic> he is copping out
[16:23] <[3j]> scroll up ^ and read
[16:23] <reticuli> I have been trying to establish certain facts
[16:23] <[3j]> you were comparing to ancient man
[16:24] <reticuli> at the moment I am talking to like 5 people
[16:24] <[3j]> which is based on uncertainties, history and prehistory is not 100% accurate
[16:24] <reticuli> so be pateint
[16:24] <Angelic> 5 people?
[16:25] <[3j]> so when you base your arguments on these factoids, its just moots you out
[16:25] <[3j]> and even if a stone aged man (if there really was even a stone age!) worked only 25 hours a week
[16:25] <[3j]> because he/she only had an axe
[16:26] <[3j]> that was his accomplishment - hunting and gathering...very fullfilling
[16:26] <[3j]> compare that to today where someone can accomplish so much more, learn so much more, do anything..
[16:26] <reticuli> Anthropolgy studies current cultures, they research I have read suggest they have a better quality of like than we do, healthier, and less stressed and doing less work. So I was making the arguement that technological advances result in poorer health and more work. that was my one point I was making
[16:26] <[3j]> so therefore technology is very much required
[16:27] <reticuli> i dont see how its required becasue it makes us work more
[16:27] <reticuli> but maybe if you want t world where people work and work
[16:27] <[3j]> work and work, hmm
[16:28] <[3j]> work and work is what creates art, litterature, music
[16:28] <[3j]> politics, opinions, laws
[16:28] <[3j]> life, happiness and love
[16:28] <[3j]> and etc.
[16:28] <reticuli> not life, happiness and love
[16:28] <[3j]> if i didnt work I'd not be able to support a family
[16:29] <reticuli> yes, and that was not always true
[16:29] <Angelic> life was less complex, I have been born in a world far more complex than that of the stone age man. I did not make it so, would I have been born a farmer or a citydweller, in both instances I'd be aware of my freedom of choice to go my own way, use what is available yes but I use it, it does not use me. No, the tools are making me enslaved, it's in my mind where the power lays to make choices, yes, my movements are limited, but not beyond that
[16:29] <[3j]> my family provides happiness and love for me, and its through my work that life can be sustained
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[16:30] <[3j]> im going to have some chow
[16:30] <reticuli> its difficult to address both of your lines of reasoning and work at the same time
[16:30] <Angelic> tools can't be judged
[16:30] <reticuli> ?
[16:30] <Angelic> who handles the tool?
[16:30] <reticuli> a human
[16:31] <reticuli> of course
[16:31] <Angelic> what handles the human
[16:31] <reticuli> fate
[16:31] <reticuli> karma
[16:31] <reticuli> laws
[16:31] <reticuli> culkture
[16:31] <reticuli> language
[16:31] <reticuli> desires
[16:31] <HBO> other humans
[16:31] <reticuli> yes
[16:31] <Angelic> the tools?
[16:32] <Angelic> you see the problem?
[16:32] <Angelic> define the tools that enslave us
[16:33] <Angelic> and do those tools enslave every man, or does it depend on the community he is a member of?
[16:33] <reticuli> which question do you want an answer to
[16:33] <reticuli> be patient
[16:34] <Angelic> you know or think you know, is there a difference at the moment or only at the end of it? ;)
[16:34] <reticuli> you are being combative
[16:34] <Angelic> that bothers you?
[16:35] <HBO> Angelic..rules define the tools, and man allows rules to be set so that he doesn't have to deal with the tough questions
[16:35] <reticuli> it makes it difficult to answer your questions, you accuse me of being evasive and you shoot of your mount asking qiestion after question and not giving me time to answer... then you say I am avoiding your question
[16:36] <HBO> hence, power structure
[16:36] <Angelic> I am done for now reticuli, you have time :)
[16:37] <ukuz> power struggle?
[16:37] <ukuz> :)
[16:37] <Angelic> I was under the impression he wanted questions, didn't he say so? :)
[16:38] <reticuli> I said I liked good questions, not a dozen  
[16:38] <reticuli> i thought you were done anyway
[16:39] <reticuli> but now I am having to address your last smar ass comment instead of finishinf typing the anser to the question you asked
[16:39] <Angelic> "  reticuli: no angelic, I dont suffer the impression that I have the "Answer". I am more interested in good questions" a dozen is 12, these were but a few
[16:40] <reticuli> Re you trying to win some pissing contest with me?
[16:40] <Angelic> I already took a piss an hour ago
[16:40] <reticuli> cuz if so I wont put another drop of energy in answering your question
[16:40] <Angelic> they're just a few questions
[16:40] <Angelic> not a dozen
[16:41] <reticuli> ok, my point is the same
[16:41] <Angelic> what point?
[16:41] <Angelic> oops sorry that was another question :/
[16:42] <reticuli> you are obviously challenged with my perspective. I have tried to answer your questions, you have not allowed me too
[16:42] <reticuli> so we can keep nit picking about how many questions you've asked etc, suit yourself
[16:43] <reticuli> you just want a fight
[16:43] <Angelic> hopefully that wasn't your best attempt then to answer any question, from the point where I am sitting you have not answered the last questions, instead you began talking about the number of questions :/
[16:44] <reticuli> I have told you why I have not answered your question
[16:44] <Angelic> plural
[16:44] <Angelic> please
[16:44] <reticuli> will you give me a chance
[16:44] <Angelic> go ahead
[16:44] <reticuli> I cant type the answer and address your sniping
[16:44] <reticuli> 212) 529-6924
[16:44] <reticuli> lol
[16:44] <reticuli> thats my answer
[16:45] <Angelic> I can smell it
[16:46] <HBO> Angelic: do you want a little brain teaser to go to sleep on?
[16:47] <[3j]> hmm
[16:47] <Angelic> don't fire a dozen questions at me hbo
[16:47] <Angelic> ;)
[16:47] <HBO> I wouldn't dare
[16:47] <[3j]> i dont know but..
[16:47] <[3j]> reticuli starts off with contradicting everyone here
[16:47] <Angelic> well actually no thanks I've had it with reticuli's foolishness
[16:47] <HBO> if time is eternal, no end, hence no beginning, so maybe forming a circle
[16:48] <[3j]> then has to show his power of intellect by comparing his superior knowledge of common factoids to yours
[16:48] <Angelic> to go into discussion with a fool makes two :)
[16:48] <[3j]> then has to claim he is very busy talking with 5 other people
[16:48] <HBO> now imagine an infinite number of circles forming a time spehere
[16:48] <[3j]> then claims he has problems discussing due to work
[16:48] <[3j]> then goes on with piss/shit/cunt words
[16:48] <agentY> ok.
[16:48] <HBO> how many times could you have the same moment crossing itself with different options to outcome?
[16:49] <[3j]> reticuli, you are unable to argue or hold a civilizedargument without being 100% right
[16:49] <Angelic> reticuli is being frustrated now having fits of weird angry faces whilest looking at the screen
[16:49] <agentY> infinite.
[16:49] <agentY> 2
[16:49] <reticuli> you asked 1) what tools enslave? take the internal combustion engine for example. it is a foul technology that pollutes. There are lots of better ways of generating power. Why dont we use them? We dont because of a tool called finance, Plants have been built to make these engines, Therfore the investment neccessary to build these factories neccesitates that the factories actually produce cars. The factory produces pollution, it destroys..
[16:50] <Angelic> forget the latter :) dismissable
[16:50] <agentY> hbo  answer: ??
[16:50] <HBO> hell agent, if I knew, I wouldn't be asking
[16:51] <agentY> hehehe
[16:51] <HBO> just something for dreamtime
[16:51] <agentY> whats another one?
[16:51] <HBO> or a real big doobie
[16:51] <reticuli> the surronding countrside, makes it incapable of prodcucing agriculture, the animals that people once hunted are gone. Now where will they go to make a living. They must work in the plant. Wait, hyow will they get to the plant? its so far? they need a car. So now they own a car. They have to pay for the car so they have to work . What I am suggesting is a web of relationshhips
[16:52] <Angelic> reticuli, I do not drive a car ergo it does not apply to everybody, though the effects are pollution which is a negative, though not enslaving
[16:52] <Angelic> but I see your point
[16:52] <reticuli> what you are positing 3j is that we make these decesion about technology, however, these decesions are seldom made, the logic of a new technology is self evident, noone is asked if they want it or not,
[16:53] <[3j]> its all based on choice
[16:53] <[3j]> yes someone is asked, where else you think funding comes from?
[16:53] <Angelic> define tools
[16:54] <reticuli> and I was talking to 5 people, yo two, ukuz, and two friends on msn messenger, one of whom is having a breakdown. And Yes I am at work and while it is easy to type a few lines into the computer I could lose my job for slacking off
[16:54] <reticuli> and that would not be good
[16:54] <agentY> not good, but funny
[16:54] <Angelic> that would be your mistake, by choice you risc it
[16:54] <agentY> not good = then you'd be on irc even more uggh
[16:54] <agentY> hehehe
[16:54] <[3j]> but whats the point in informing us asides from glorifying you in some way?
[16:55] <reticuli> now, give me a sec to go read all that you have wrote since I wrote you and I will be up to pace
[16:55] <[3j]> i hate it when people do too much of that
[16:55] <agentY> breakdown?? y?
[16:55] <agentY> from talking to you?
[16:55] <agentY> har har.
[16:55] <[3j]> once in a while okay, but like 10 times within 20 mins, wtf
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[16:55] <Angelic> agentY that's cruel :/
[16:55] <butch> hello
[16:55] <agentY> i said j/k !!
[16:55] <agentY> oh wait, i didn't.
[16:55] <Angelic> hi big B ":)
[16:56] <[3j]> for me, ppl who type too much about themselves, are usually really conceited in all things (including there point of views)
[16:56] <agentY> oh
[16:56] <Angelic> they are usually very impressed by their own ideas
[16:56] <[3j]> that too
[16:56] <butch> what's the discussion?
[16:56] <[3j]> ego !
[16:56] <[3j]> and how ego will destroy humanity.
[16:56] <Angelic> discussion is that tools enslave us or not
[16:57] <agentY> butch  err...everyone is discussing sending me money via paypal
[16:57] <agentY> :)
[16:57] <butch> hehe
[16:57] <Angelic> we need to define tools first, because a screwdriver does not enslave me, personally
[16:57] <reticuli> I am using tools in a very general sense angelic
[16:57] <agentY> u have to buy the screwdriver.
[16:57] <[3j]> in ret's view, it enslaves whoever has rthe profession of screwing
[16:57] <agentY> buy = money = job.
[16:57] <Angelic> too general reticuli
[16:57] <reticuli> perhpas
[16:58] <butch> hmmm...ego...everyone has one to a certain extent...some more pronounced than others...
[16:58] <agentY> eggo waffles r good
[16:58] <HBO> butch...have you moved yet?
[16:58] <Angelic> if too general than there is no specific answer possible, only a general one which applies only to this general definitionless set of tools..
[16:58] <[3j]> hbo did you move into a dome ??
[16:59] <butch> tools...are we talking about tools like computers and such,? or a 1/2 inch socket wrench???;)
[16:59] <butch> yes, HBO...i'm in the mountains now...:)
[16:59] <HBO> no 3j...I carry a steel umbrella
[16:59] <ukuz> which state Butch?
[16:59] <butch> west virginia
[16:59] <ukuz> cool
[17:00] <ukuz> thats where the gov dug under?
[17:00] <ukuz> :)
[17:00] <butch> i love it up here....wonder why i hadn't moved before now...
[17:00] <agentY> i will clone myself, and freeze myself when i die, if i get the money
[17:00] <Angelic> I find it cool though that reticuli takes the time to actually answer each question now
[17:00] <Angelic> while he is at work
[17:00] <HBO> agent...just jump in East River and solidify
[17:00] <Angelic> and talking to a friend who has a breakdown
[17:00] <reticuli> now, to get back to your comment 3j, I agree that decisions are made about what technologies are to be invested in. However those tools are made by institutions that are in the business of making money, so the criteria they use in deciding which technology to enslave us with next is made based on the rationale of the system, and not whatr would be best for humanity
[17:00] <agentY> umm k
[17:00] <reticuli> im clocked out now
[17:01] <ukuz> angelic, he just wanted to exchange ideas
[17:01] <ukuz> :)
[17:01] <butch> ukuz, there is a place called "white sulphur springs" that's about 150 miles from me...i know that there are underground facilities there...i'm sure there are many more...
[17:01] <[3j]> this applies to for profits only
[17:01] <ukuz> thats sounds about the place
[17:01] <ukuz> :)
[17:02] <[3j]> butch, what state you in?
[17:02] <reticuli> now, I do think that we have the potential to make thes rational choices about technology but, I dont think that the economy or our cultural institutins support that ideal
[17:02] <HBO> state of mind
[17:02] <butch> west virginia...just moved here from virginia
[17:02] <[3j]> oh..
[17:02] <butch> how bout you?
[17:02] <[3j]> didnt know there were many mountains there, mostly tall hills i thought
[17:02] <agentY> food  shelter  medicine education should b free.
[17:03] <[3j]> i'm in arizona
[17:03] <ukuz> West Virginia...Mountain Mamma...take me home...contry roads...   :)
[17:03] <agentY> make techno to automate food production.
[17:03] <reticuli> I believe that we are disempowered by technology and made more lazy
[17:03] <reticuli> and alientated
[17:03] <butch> that's the song, ukuz...:)
[17:03] <ukuz> hehe
[17:03] <[3j]> agent has a point. techno can automate everything
[17:03] <Angelic> reticuli, only to those susceptable
[17:03] <[3j]> even automate the creation of more technology
[17:03] <HBO> butch..come over and we'll catch a Titans game :)
[17:04] <agentY> using irc at work...that would b lazy.
[17:04] <agentY> hehe j.k
[17:04] <butch> :)
[17:04] <reticuli> anyways i have to go.... I would like to continue this converation later with anyone here who is intererested in exchanging ideas and not egos
[17:05] <[3j]> oooh plz
[17:05] <agentY> i prefer egos
[17:05] <agentY> hehehe
[17:05] <reticuli> i know
[17:05] <HBO> cognito ergo sum
[17:05] <reticuli> :)
[17:05] <[3j]> anyone just has to scroll up and read dude
[17:05] <Angelic> ok reticuli was ok bu me is tired next time
[17:05] <[3j]> and its obvious who were those that were being nice and those who were being "im in charge here and im the only one whos right"
[17:06] <agentY> 3j  u believe all ps stuff, r  or r u still skeptical?
[17:06] <ukuz> yeah right...
[17:06] <ukuz> hehe
[17:06] <HBO> i'm always nice
[17:06] <HBO> lol
[17:06] <[3j]> i believe that ps is possible..
[17:06] <reticuli> ok, well thats your opinon. You are just upset at me for critizing your obscene predilections 3j
[17:06] <agentY> but yer not buying stuff..?
[17:06] <[3j]> but i made no predilections ....
[17:07] <reticuli> lol, look it up
[17:07] <[3j]> agent, i dont buy most of zeta
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[17:07] <Angelic> wtf is predilection?
[17:07] <[3j]> predilection
[17:07] <[3j]> predilection was Word of the Day on November 21, 2001.
[17:07] <agentY> 3j  same here...replace most with all :)
[17:07] <[3j]> pred·i·lec·tion   Pronunciation Key  (prdl-kshn, prd-)
[17:07] <[3j]> n.
[17:07] <[3j]> A partiality or disposition in favor of something; a preference.
[17:08] <agentY> err most with any
[17:08] <HBO> angelic...you have a good night..and the rest of you guys too
[17:08] <agentY> can u write off PS preparation expenses on taxes??
[17:08] <[3j]> well i dunno agent.. zetatalk has lots of page and conspiracy theori type stuff
[17:08] <Angelic> hbo good night and next time ;)
[17:08] <HBO> i'm going to cook some beef while there is some left in the world :)
[17:08] <ukuz> :)
[17:08] <butch> i'm outta here too...good night all and take care:)
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[17:09] <[3j]> and its not like its all 100% original to zetatalk
[17:09] <ukuz> take care
[17:09] <agentY> is there a website that monitors  nancy's current weight ??
[17:09] <agentY> 3j true
[17:09] <[3j]> but stuff like we have to become hybrids, nuts
[17:09] <Angelic> obany likes that idea
[17:09] <[3j]> or that nancy met cockroack man ???? wtf
[17:09] <[3j]> or carpet man ???
[17:09] <Angelic> hahahaha
[17:09] <agentY> heheheehe
[17:09] <Angelic> HAHAHA
[17:09] <[3j]> vampire man
[17:09] <[3j]> etc etc
[17:09] <Angelic> LOL
[17:10] <Angelic> bigdickman?
[17:10] <[3j]> that was prolly the traumatizing one
[17:10] <[3j]> "i fainted when i saw bigdickman"
[17:10] <Angelic> she did not mention that one for a reason
[17:10] <[3j]> "after seeing him i understood why he was called like that"
[17:10] <agentY> 99% of zeta = ufology, religion, scientology...etc  1% is  original = ps and px
[17:10] <Angelic> you're right 3j, that proves she has seenbigdickman too
[17:10] <[3j]> yup agent
[17:11] <[3j]> actually planet x comes from the zitchin guy
[17:11] <Angelic> ps and px is not original actually :) only the 2003 date is hehe
[17:11] <[3j]> and his studies of ancient sumerian stuff
[17:11] <agentY> oh
[17:11] <ukuz> im beginning to wonder myself agenty
[17:11] <agentY> oh
[17:11] <Angelic> sumerians were the first hehe, then velikovsky and sitchin
[17:11] <Angelic> sitchin.com
[17:11] <[3j]> yeah and the old sumerian relics is very believable
[17:12] <[3j]> those people know alot of stuff that they shouldnt of ...
[17:12] <[3j]> knew
[17:12] <ukuz> did Nancy base alot of info from Sitchin?
[17:12] <[3j]> the name of planet x
[17:12] <Angelic> they are indeed, I got all his books, quite amazing how it al seems to fit together.. though some things could be interpreted differently perhaps
[17:12] <[3j]> i never got his book
[17:12] <agentY> begithe only logical thig   thing w/nancy = px, i mean there r 9 pn  planets,  so next is 10 :)
[17:12] <[3j]> "12th planet" right?
[17:13] <Angelic> that's one
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[17:14] <ukuz> did anyone here listen to Nancy's sister on a talk radio show?
[17:14] <[3j]> no
[17:14] <[3j]> what talk radio show?
[17:14] <ukuz> not sure
[17:15] <ukuz> someone said she was on one
[17:15] <[3j]> i heard nancy mention her sister on the art bell recording..
[17:15] <ukuz> really?
[17:15] <ukuz> what did she have to say?
[17:15] <[3j]> something about her sister thinking she (nancy) was nuts ?
[17:15] <[3j]> not like that of course, but close :)
[17:15] <medfield> that does suck when your sister calls u out
[17:16] <[3j]> well its usually a sign of a serious rift in the family
[17:16] <[3j]> so one has to wonder why..
[17:16] <[3j]> was it the zetas? :\
[17:16] <[3j]> hehe
[17:16] <ukuz> makes me wonder
[17:16] <[3j]> her sister is jealous of the zeta dna!
[17:16] <Angelic> sitchin books: 12th planet, the stairway to heaven, the wars of gods and men, the lost realms, divine encounters, genesis revisited (good one), lost book of enki, the cosmic code, when time began.. and breaking the godspell :) (had ot look it up, haven't got 3 of these)
[17:16] <[3j]> heh
[17:17] <Angelic> family knows best, they say :)
[17:18] <[3j]> who knows..
[17:18] <Angelic> I don't, I'm not family :)
[17:18] <[3j]> but im sure someone interested in making disinfo will get nancys sister on air
[17:19] <Angelic> why would Nancy's sister spread disinfo about Nancy? :)
[17:19] <[3j]> no no..
[17:19] <ukuz> good question angelic
[17:19] <[3j]> her sister would just answer the questions of the disinfo specialist
[17:19] <Angelic> it would come down to opinions and facts
[17:19] <Angelic> why would her sister lie?
[17:20] <[3j]> for someone skilled, its easy to lead someone somewhere with skillfull questions
[17:20] <ukuz> tru
[17:20] <ukuz> but why a sister
[17:20] <[3j]> and next, if nancy and her sister are not okay with each other, that could lead to something else too
[17:20] <Angelic> wwIII?
[17:20] <[3j]> a family member is much more credible than just a stranger
[17:21] <[3j]> however not more credible than say some expert scientist, or the president of the usa
[17:21] <[3j]> but credible enough to make nancy and zeta look like fool stuff
[17:21] <Angelic> she needs her sister for that?
[17:21] <[3j]> what ?
[17:21] <ukuz> Angelic, did you know this?
[17:21] <[3j]> you dont get it
[17:21] <Angelic> to make it look foolish :)
[17:22] <Angelic> ukuz what did I know?
[17:22] <ukuz> about Nancy's sister making her look nuts?
[17:22] <[3j]>  <ukuz> did anyone here listen to Nancy's sister on a talk radio show? <-- this is what started this nancy/sister thing
[17:22] <ukuz> on radio?
[17:22] <Angelic> no
[17:22] <ukuz> i miss it too
[17:22] <Angelic> Nancy is quite private about her family
[17:23] <[3j]> all on the assumption i made about how easy it would be for nancys sister to make nancy look like a nut
[17:23] <Angelic> about her whol ebackground
[17:23] <[3j]> angelic, okay, but if you listen to the art bell show nancy mentions her family
[17:23] <Angelic> she says she is a computer specialist :/
[17:23] <[3j]> she says her kids have met the zetas
[17:23] <Angelic> yes she does
[17:23] <Angelic> :)
[17:24] <[3j]> ok
[17:24] <[3j]> so what dont you understand
[17:24] <[3j]> must be an english to holland translation problem
[17:24] <ukuz> does this throw everything off for you Angelic?
[17:25] <ukuz> about what nancy's sister said?
[17:25] <ukuz> angelic?
[17:25] <[3j]> but ukuz what did nancys sister said ??
[17:26] <[3j]> i mean what did she say
[17:26] <ukuz> i didnt hear the radio show
[17:26] <ukuz> you said you heard it
[17:26] <[3j]> no :)
[17:26] <Angelic> This: "[3j]: but credible enough to make nancy and zeta look like fool stuff" :) Nancy already looks foolish with her zetatalk to some :) that is what I meant. As to Nancy being not on good terms with her family (sis), though does with her son (who met zetas, big deal, many contactees, no release of any personal info there).
[17:26] <ukuz> oh
[17:27] <[3j]> i said that -nancy said- that her sister (nancy's sister) think she (nancy) is a cook
[17:27] <[3j]> but not in those words
[17:27] <Angelic> no in other words :)
[17:27] <[3j]> its on the art bell recording...
[17:28] <[3j]> sure, much kinder words
[17:28] <Angelic> I can look it up, its a big recording though
[17:28] <ukuz> interesting...
[17:28] <[3j]> yea i was gona check too..
[17:28] <Angelic> <-- busy checking
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[17:29] <ukuz> wb Reticuli
[17:29] <reticuli> thanks, missed the bus, and my carpool isnt ready
[17:30] <ukuz> theyre checking if Nancy's sister debunked Nancy on Art Bell show
[17:30] <[3j]> not me
[17:30] <ukuz> :)
[17:30] <Angelic> she had trouble with her telephoneline being all cracking making clicks, then art bell asked if they should rescheduale to another date, nancy proposed taking another line that was not hit by lightning.. or she could go to her sister down the road or something.. that's the background now I am looking for what she litteraly said.. no she did not, her sister was not on the show :)
[17:30] <reticuli> Nancy's sister was on art bell?
[17:30] <[3j]> i just pumped up the volume to "X:\music\Albums\metallica blindman's ball bootleg\metallica live-02-master_of_puppets.mp3"  :)
[17:31] <ukuz> Ret: thats what someone told me
[17:31] <[3j]> i can put mp3s of nancy on art bell on a www site
[17:31] <[3j]> will anyone care to download them?
[17:31] <reticuli> I heard her say that she didnt want to go down the street and wake her sister up... she mentioned that her sister thought this zetathing was nuts, or somethingto that effect
[17:31] <ukuz> can you put nancy's sister on mp3 and send it to me?
[17:32] <[3j]> i dont got nancys sister radio show ukuz
[17:32] <[3j]> i said that 3rd time now
[17:32] <ukuz> ok
[17:32] <ukuz> hehe
[17:34] <reticuli> anyways 3j, What i was trying to say way back was that I didnt think that life would be so bad here without the technological apparatus we have now. Might even be more fufilling
[17:35] <[3j]> is that so
[17:35] <[3j]> dying at a young age
[17:35] <[3j]> high rate of failed births
[17:35] <reticuli> ok, let me adress that
[17:35] <[3j]> etc etc. whatever you like, the subject has changed
[17:36] <agentY> hehehe
[17:37] <reticuli> the low life expectancy was due to childhood disease. If you take all the people in neolithic times that made it to 40 years old and excluded people who died in war and from diarreha then thye have the same life expectancy(roughly) that we have now, without the technical appartus
[17:37] <reticuli> so whats the subject now?
[17:37] <[3j]> assuming there was a neolithic period
[17:38] <reticuli> or assuming that there is an us
[17:38] <ukuz> nancy's sister
[17:38] <[3j]> us?  u.s.a.?
[17:38] <reticuli> are'nt we talking about nancy's sister?
[17:39] <ukuz> oh ok...hehe
[17:39] <reticuli> did nancy's sister talk to art bell?
[17:39] <[3j]> heres some problems with prehistory
[17:39] <reticuli> oh, so you do want to discuss this or not?
[17:39] <reticuli> make up your mind
[17:39] <ukuz> thats what was said
[17:39] <[3j]> 1, men at that time knew how to build huts and small shacks ... in many caverns is there any found thats accomodated to server as a comfortable home?
[17:40] <reticuli> she spoke with him on the air or off the air?
[17:40] <ukuz> i heard on air
[17:40] <reticuli> I never listened to the whole show
[17:41] <[3j]> 2, then theres the rocks used
[17:41] <ukuz> or maybe nancy mentioned what her sister thought of her
[17:41] <[3j]> im trying to find english translation
[17:41] <[3j]> but didnt prehistoric man had the polished stoned and the broken stone?
[17:41] <Angelic> ok I isolated the 2 parts where she talks about her sister, anyone want to hear it I can dcc the mp3
[17:41] <[3j]> if anyone knows term..
[17:41] <ukuz> yes
[17:41] <ukuz> me
[17:41] <reticuli> please, I would like to hear it
[17:41] <reticuli> oh, so its not nancy's sister?
[17:42] <ukuz> i didnt hear the show so i dont know if she was actually on air
[17:42] <[3j]> anyway, accordingly first came the "broken" stone to make the tools, then afterwards came the polished ones..
[17:43] <Angelic> hold on
[17:43] <[3j]> problem is if the polished one came afterwards why are they barely found anywhere, also why is it the hardest thing for present man to recreate.. yet broken stone tools are easy to make
[17:43] <[3j]> then the brittleness of the newer polished stone tools versus the obvious strenght of the older ones
[17:43] <reticuli> have you decided now that you want to discuss prehistory as opposed to nancy's sister 3j?
[17:44] <[3j]> hey reticuli
[17:44] <[3j]> you must have a shit of a life to be such an asswipe online
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[17:44] <reticuli> lol
[17:44] <[3j]> first you bitch out people for not being in touch with reality becuse of porno ? hah
[17:44] <[3j]> then you go around saying everyone is wrong
[17:45] <[3j]> and now your just trying to pick a fight
[17:45] <reticuli> nah, just trying to figure out how to have a discussion with you without you taking offense
[17:45] <[3j]> i'm not offended by you or anyone else ...
[17:46] <reticuli> So, how does the example of the broken vs polished stones relate to quality of life?
[17:47] <reticuli> in prehistory
[17:47] <[3j]> let me paste
[17:47] <[3j]> [17:30] <reticuli> the low life expectancy was due to childhood disease. If you take all the people in neolithic times  .. bla bla
[17:47] <[3j]> [17:31] <[3j]> assuming there was a neolithic period
[17:47] <[3j]> thats what it was about
[17:47] <[3j]> dont you remember what you even babble about?
[17:47] <reticuli> oh, ok, well the same example applies to modern hunter gatherers
[17:48] <reticuli> you dont have to get hostile
[17:48] <[3j]> i'm not hostile
[17:48] <[3j]> hmm
[17:48] <reticuli> good :)
[17:48] <ukuz> lets cut to the chase gentlemen
[17:48] <ukuz> :)
[17:48] <[3j]> reticuli, thats the 3rd time in the past few hours you accuse someone of being hostile/mad/angry/etc
[17:49] <[3j]> i think something is wrong with you, i really do
[17:49] <reticuli> I can only interpert your descriptions of me as blabbing, making excuses etc to be insults
[17:49] <reticuli> even the last comment was an insult
[17:49] <reticuli> peolple get hostile when threatned... im not trying to threaten you
[17:50] <tallboy1> what's all the fuss?
[17:50] <[3j]> so back to the technology point
[17:50] <agentY> bahahahaha
[17:50] <reticuli> so, my point is that modern hunter gatherers have a better quality of life as measured by free time, nutrition, and health
[17:51] <Angelic> reticuli, you are refering to the insertation of the word "babble"?
[17:51] <[3j]> without technology to make your bandaids, supplements, medecine, you will be dying off very quickly
[17:51] <[3j]> and your offspring will die quickly after birth
[17:51] <reticuli> some will
[17:51] <[3j]> not to mention how many wives will die at childbirth
[17:51] <Angelic> the healthy survive
[17:51] <reticuli> thats ok, we can make more
[17:52] <[3j]> we can make more ?
[17:52] <reticuli> people
[17:52] <reticuli> we do it all the time
[17:52] <ukuz> you know screw
[17:52] <reticuli> too many in fact
[17:52] <[3j]> oh yes i guess in your world all you need to do is bone a new person every other week
[17:52] <[3j]> procreate that way, yup
[17:52] <[3j]> i guess if we were rabbits it would work, but we're humans
[17:52] <reticuli> yeah, well we dont need billions
[17:53] <[3j]> according to who? you?
[17:53] <Angelic> btw. nancy says that going to her sister would be rather iffy because her sister is very grumpy about this.. that's about it, then later she just gets another line in the house that was not struck by lightning
[17:53] <reticuli> in fact less is better, populatiion only has value where labor and profit are concerned
[17:53] <Angelic> and she says that her sister says "who would want to survive that anyways?"
[17:54] <Angelic> :)
[17:54] <reticuli> well, why dont you answer the converse , why do we need billions to survive
[17:54] <ukuz> Angelic, so her sister still may beleive in Zetas then right?
[17:54] <Angelic> we do not need billions to survive
[17:54] <tallboy1> i think i like her sister
[17:54] <reticuli> I agree,,, sorry, that was to 3j
[17:54] <Angelic> ukuz, her sister was probably being rethoric about it :)
[17:55] <[3j]> no but a billion sure helps us go in a different direction
[17:55] <ukuz> i see
[17:55] <ukuz> :)
[17:55] <[3j]> it makes humans realize more facts than if all a race has to care about is a few hundred thousands
[17:56] <[3j]> for example new york city... too many people, not enough space, what happens
[17:56] <[3j]> people think about new ways to build things, up :)
[17:56] <tallboy1> rats
[17:56] <[3j]> and down too
[17:56] <reticuli> its true that population is the grist of civilization 3j, art, music, technology
[17:56] <Angelic> what greater purpose shows we are more than just a freak in existence trying to survive?
[17:56] <[3j]> angelic, the fact that we can create
[17:57] <[3j]> i think that in itself is testimony
[17:57] <Angelic> procreation is survival
[17:57] <[3j]> i meant genetic engineering
[17:57] <[3j]> and the ability to manipulate the atom
[17:57] <Angelic> ah, but that is not a purpose
[17:57] <Angelic> is it?
[17:57] <Angelic> :(
[17:57] <reticuli> what is the purpose of those manipulations?
[17:58] <[3j]> understanding
[17:58] <ukuz> I seen a chimp break off a branch and create a tool for getting ants out of a small hole to eat...
[17:58] <[3j]> its always been a question, what is the universe
[17:58] <Angelic> ok: what greater purpose shows we are not just living to survive?
[17:58] <ukuz> it was more like a twig
[17:59] <reticuli> understanding is the purpose of life 3j? we dont need a massive technolgical to understand or to survive
[17:59] <reticuli> the purpose of technology is control
[17:59] <reticuli> control of people and the natural world
[18:00] <ukuz> well said
[18:00] <Angelic> pretty funny btw. if you eat less your body goes into survival mode and you'll live longer
[18:00] <[3j]> technology also has the purpose to understand
[18:01] <[3j]> if you're pessimist, you can say to control
[18:01] <ukuz> and to make living in crowded cities possible
[18:01] <ukuz> maybe thats besides the point
[18:01] <reticuli> western medicine is itself a response to the unhealthy environment that cities create, and the diseaes they create
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[18:02] <[3j]> thats natural
[18:03] <reticuli> I think the living longer part of eating less angelic comes from the fact that when we eat our body creates free radicals and it oxidizes, the less we eat the less oxidation and cell damage
[18:03] <[3j]> human evolution means going through cities, pollution, dirt, disease, etc
[18:03] <reticuli> it would appear so
[18:03] <[3j]> its part of evolution to overcome everyone of these challenges while remaining in balance with nature
[18:04] <[3j]> thats one reason why there is technology
[18:04] <reticuli> well, if we were free in regards to technology then we would choose perhaps to do things differntly, But it seems that we dont have that choice to me
[18:05] <reticuli> ok, got ten minutes
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[18:05] <ukuz> we are slaves to technology
[18:05] <reticuli> then I can go home :)
[18:05] <reticuli> to my horrible life ;)
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[18:06] <agentY> hehehehe
[18:06] <[3j]> jest all you want, maybe its your horrible job that makes you have such a delightful attitude
[18:06] <agentY> loser
[18:06] <reticuli> lol
[18:06] <reticuli> still sore agenty?
[18:06] <[3j]> and yes you got a choice. You dont need to live in technology, you can leave it anytime
[18:06] <agentY> nope
[18:06] <agentY> j.k
[18:06] <reticuli> thats good
[18:07] <reticuli> lifes too short to take yourself that seriously
[18:07] <[3j]> theres another thing
[18:07] <agentY> don't need 2 live on techno.
[18:07] <[3j]> with technology lives can be so much longer
[18:07] <Angelic> reticuli, true also, but the body itself too starts to alter the way it uses energy among other things, things change in the body, it adapts. It seems as if the body is reaction in the only way logical in regards to surviving: If your environment does not provide enough food, the chances or slim you will have healthy offspring ergo the body lives longer as an adaption to this to ensure there is more time ergo more chances of offspring. Could be
[18:07] <[3j]> with proper technology you can have your body live forever
[18:08] <reticuli> the problem I have with that idea 3j is that I could go off into the woods and live differently, but I am a social animal, in fact I have been socialized into a particular material culture. So to go off in to the woods would not only be lonely it would bhe counterintuitive
[18:08] <reticuli> interseting point angelic
[18:09] <Angelic> bad spelling though lol.. but it's late
[18:09] <reticuli> well, im a horrible typist
[18:09] <reticuli> is english a second language angelic?
[18:09] <[3j]> life will adapt so it can survive
[18:09] <Angelic> yes I am dutch
[18:09] <[3j]> remember jurassic park ? hehe
[18:10] <Angelic> life does adapt because it can
[18:10] <reticuli> well, your ability to discuss complex concepts in english is excellent
[18:10] <Angelic> thnx :)
[18:12] <reticuli> I think that we have the potential to be the masters of our own fate... I just dont think that the way it is now
[18:12] <Angelic> the potential is there, but we have to find a way to get to it, we are too lost for that
[18:12] <[3j]> if you let PX beat you, then you wont be master of nothing
[18:13] <reticuli> I agree, i for one will do everything I can to survive if I see it in november
[18:13] <[3j]> december
[18:13] <reticuli> or in december
[18:14] <reticuli> well gotta go, the carpool is approaching
[18:14] <reticuli> good night all
[18:14] <ukuz> see ya around reticuli
[18:14] <Angelic> that date is nancy's last straw to a certain degree, because if it isn't there people will draw the conclusion that she lied
[18:14] <Angelic> goodnight reticuli
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[18:16] <Angelic> wow a happy meal holds 630 calories, half of what children need for a whole day :)
[18:16] <[3j]> mcdonalds - superjunk
[18:16] <[3j]> i buy it for myself though :)
[18:16] <[3j]> and for the kids, but i only let them eat the fries and play with the happy toys
[18:17] <Angelic> :)
[18:17] <[3j]> a few months ago a lady found a fried chicken head as her mcnugget
[18:17] <Angelic> haha
[18:17] <[3j]> truth
[18:17] <ukuz> i thought you didnt have kids 3j
[18:17] <Angelic> the beak won't feel good I think
[18:17] <[3j]> ukuz, got 2
[18:17] <ukuz> col
[18:17] <ukuz> cool
[18:17] <Angelic> ukuz you want to hear nancy about her sister?
[18:17] <[3j]> angelic, its true was a pic and all that, the mother sued and settled out of court
[18:18] <ukuz> yes
[18:18] <Angelic> what did she get?
[18:18] <[3j]> undisclosed
[18:18] <Angelic> money :)
[18:18] <[3j]> after the chicken head event there was another
[18:18] <[3j]> some kid was eating a cheeseburger, when he noticed there were maggots in the burger
[18:18] <[3j]> that also went to court and got hushed up
[18:18] <Angelic> hmmm
[18:19] <[3j]> thats just recent stuff that made it to the news :)
[18:19] <Angelic> how did maggots have the time to develop? unless the meat was treated and kept in unsanitary conditions
[18:19] <[3j]> i remember so many more horror stories, like "urban legends"
[18:19] <ukuz> angelic, do you subscribe to Artbell shows?
[18:19] <Angelic> no I got the mp3 from agentPX
[18:19] <ukuz> i see
[18:20] <ukuz> :)
[18:20] <[3j]> angelic obviously they have low standards and bad inspection teams
[18:20] <Angelic> urban legends make for nice reading :)
[18:20] <[3j]> well urban legends is different than the two stories (chicken head and maggots)
[18:21] <[3j]> i dont know how they do it in holland, but here, all mcdonalds food is shipped to restaurants from several central mcdonalds repositories
[18:21] <[3j]> all packaged and ready for 2 minute cooking
[18:21] <Angelic> we never had such an incident with mc donalds over here though, only two incidents where the coffe/hot chocolate spilled by customers on their lap or hand was too hot and they got sued and mc donalds changed the cupdesign because it happened in many countries
[18:22] <[3j]> smaller country..
[18:23] <Angelic> overpopulated
[18:23] <Angelic> all spaces left are either farmland or nature reserves or beachground
[18:24] <[3j]> its to be expected
[18:24] <[3j]> your country is very very old..
[18:24] <Angelic> yes
[18:24] <[3j]> no major wars/conflicts in recent history
[18:24] <[3j]> no massive disease right? is aids all that much of a problem
[18:25] <Angelic> you may understand though why we do not like to stay 'open' to illegal aliens
[18:25] <[3j]> you mean you have a low tolerance of immigrants
[18:25] <[3j]> only visitor visa are issued and other types (like work visa) only issued in rare circumstances?
[18:26] <Angelic> they ae used as cheap labor, underpaid.. they want more, and are not used to our culture and law and language, they go into drugs for the money. We as a country low less and less tolerant to illegal aliens
[18:26] <Angelic> low = grow
[18:27] <[3j]> well still that wont help curb the pop growth
[18:27] <Angelic> it's a dilemma, on the one hand you do wish for them to be taken care of when they enter our country in a humanitarean way
[18:28] <Angelic> no it won't
[18:28] <[3j]> colonize the moon/mars/venus is the solution :)
[18:29] <Angelic> the moons of jupiter :)
[18:30] <[3j]> if i can make a couple of billions next year, and no px, I'll do it ;)
[18:30] <Angelic> lets take over nibiru
[18:30] <Angelic> hehe
[18:30] <Angelic> that'd e a nice sf movie
[18:30] <[3j]> takeover nibiru? hehe
[18:30] <Angelic> yeah
[18:30] <[3j]> speaking about good scifi, havent seen a good one in a while
[18:31] <Angelic> imagine, the earth, 3600 years after the coming poleshift, nibiru is coming and we strike back
[18:31] <ukuz> anyone see Mothman?
[18:31] <Angelic> the Mothman prophecy?
[18:31] <[3j]> i saw it
[18:31] <ukuz> yeah
[18:31] <Angelic> is it good?
[18:31] <ukuz> was it beleivable?
[18:31] <[3j]> yeah believable
[18:31] <Angelic> based on true story
[18:31] <[3j]> kinda weird, but good
[18:32] <ukuz> i need to see it
[18:32] <ukuz> :)
[18:32] <[3j]> whats up with zetatalk saying mothman coming to theatres? that movie been out for so long now in vhs/dvd
[18:32] <[3j]> more errors with the zetas
[18:32] <[3j]> (who follows hollywood)
[18:33] <ukuz> im to busy here to be up on hollywood
[18:33] <ukuz> :)
[18:33] <[3j]> same here
[18:33] <[3j]> but a friend of mine gave me access to some cool ftp sites where I can just download new movies
[18:33] <[3j]> so I often check in..
[18:33] <Angelic> low calory high nutrition value food makes for a healthy body.. ah, ok :) (ye, I'm listening to national geographic) :)
[18:33] <ukuz> 3j did you say you were in Denmark?
[18:34] <[3j]> no arizona
[18:34] <ukuz> i see
[18:34] <ukuz> ok
[18:34] <ukuz> thought you sounded Arizonian
[18:34] <ukuz> ;)
[18:34] <Angelic> any good ftp site where I can download movies?
[18:34] <[3j]> lol as if theres such a thing as arizonian :)
[18:34] <ukuz> there is now...hehe
[18:34] <[3j]> just about everyone i met here (in phoenix) is not native
[18:35] <[3j]> everyone coming from different parts of the country..
[18:35] <ukuz> it must be a good refuge to PX
[18:35] <[3j]> yeah thats what i thought, like a subcounscious thing
[18:35] <ukuz> i mean, the vatican cant be wrong
[18:35] <ukuz> :)
[18:35] <[3j]> what did the vatican say?
[18:36] <ukuz> well they got that observatory there, i think
[18:36] <[3j]> ooh you mean the observatory
[18:36] <[3j]> hehe yeah
[18:36] <ukuz> :)
[18:36] <ukuz> is it near you?
[18:36] <[3j]> well the sky here in AZ and NM is so clear
[18:36] <[3j]> i dont know where it is exactly..
[18:36] <[3j]> i dont know how it where your at, but here its like the stars are in your face, its crazy
[18:37] <ukuz> did you read any books by Phillip Kraph?
[18:37] <[3j]> very nice night sky
[18:37] <[3j]> no
[18:37] <ukuz> here its cloudy alot
[18:37] <[3j]> The Contact Has Begun: The True Story of a Journalist's Encounter with Alien Beings
[18:38] <[3j]> The Challenge of Contact A Mainstream Journalist's Report on Interplanetary
[18:38] <ukuz> yes  well Phillip says the Aliens are going to build a facility in the middle southwest
[18:38] <[3j]> hehe
[18:38] <ukuz> you read it?
[18:38] <[3j]> interesting
[18:38] <[3j]> no..
[18:38] <ukuz> soo...it maybe near you
[18:38] <[3j]> there are many stories about aliens and the areas near here
[18:39] <ukuz> tell me about it
[18:39] <ukuz> hehe
[18:39] <[3j]> area 51, roswell for example :)
[18:39] <[3j]> then the william shatner thing in the desert
[18:39] <[3j]> hehe
[18:39] <ukuz> send some over here
[18:39] <[3j]> send some aliens?
[18:39] <ukuz> we dont got none
[18:39] <ukuz> :)
[18:39] <ukuz> yea
[18:40] <[3j]> they cant swim so there afraid to fly over the ocean
[18:40] <Angelic> lol this is interesting: they took three groups of mice > 1. low calory food 2. high calory food 3. normal calory food but with anti-oxidant supplementation.. which group you think live longest and healthiest?
[18:40] <ukuz> some ufo's too while youre at it
[18:40] <[3j]> 1 ?
[18:40] <ukuz> 3
[18:40] <Angelic> 1 yes
[18:40] <[3j]> good for mice :)
[18:40] <Angelic> and those with supplementation did as bad as group 2
[18:40] <ukuz> interesting
[18:41] <Angelic> argh, we will grow old and stay healthy in ps ;)
[18:41] <Angelic> in = after
[18:41] <ukuz> :)
[18:43] <Angelic> maybe we can make up an alien group from somewhere, too? they say if 90% of the populaton won't go sto that the poleshift will go into limbo forever , so we will endure the shift forever, untill 90% has become sto? ;)
[18:43] <Angelic> hell on earth
[18:44] <ukuz> will the earth shift 90 degrees and then go back to where it is now?
[18:44] <Angelic> seriously?
[18:44] <ukuz> yes
[18:45] <Angelic> the zetas claim it will stay, there will be new pole locations
[18:45] <ukuz> ok
[18:46] <ukuz> does PX pass us twice as it loops around the sun?
[18:46] <Angelic> wow usa pretty close to the equator, west-europe too, and africa still.. haha africa pretty good country, no flooding and stuff hmm
[18:47] <Angelic> zetatalk says somewhere it will return yes but won't cause a shift then just some earthquakes
[18:47] <ukuz> ok
[18:50] <[3j]> because it will be so far away..
[18:50] <[3j]> but didnt zitchin say that the anunaki used the return passage as there way to get back on px?
[18:51] <ukuz> about how long in between passages?
[18:51] <ukuz> years?
[18:51] <[3j]> and infact when it passes for the first time the annunaki invade
[18:51] <[3j]> like 5 years i think
[18:51] <ukuz> wow
[18:51] <ukuz> i wonder if thats the period the bible calls "seven years of tribulation"?
[18:52] <Angelic> was it 5? I thought 7,5
[18:52] <[3j]> perhaps..
[18:52] <ukuz> interesting
[18:52] <[3j]> 5, 7, i dont know
[18:52] <[3j]> somewhere around ~6 :)
[18:52] <Angelic> does it matter? :) really? hehe
[18:52] <ukuz> hehe
[18:52] <Angelic> it just will be a bitch of a time :)
[18:52] <[3j]> ukuz you make a good point about the bible
[18:53] <ukuz> i just hope the give me that battery
[18:53] <[3j]> most people here dont consider other prophecies, just nancy
[18:53] <Angelic> at lweast, if we survive and procreate and establish some community we will die proud
[18:53] <ukuz> hehe
[18:53] <[3j]> not alot who visit so far ive seen consider stuff like nostradamus
[18:53] <[3j]> and other prophets..
[18:54] <[3j]> you know what i mean? its all about zeta and nancy
[18:54] <Angelic> I consider scallion, nostradamus and mayan calender :) among others that i might if i knew about them
[18:54] <ukuz> i hear ya 3j
[18:55] <[3j]> the bible itself has been accurate in predictions..
[18:55] <ukuz> does Casey talk about PX's chaos?
[18:55] <[3j]> casey? is that the edgar fellow ?
[18:55] <ukuz> yes
[18:56] <[3j]> not that i know of
[18:56] <[3j]> modern interpretations of nostradamus doesnt talk about any px either
[18:56] <[3j]> better to get the original centuries and make your own interpretations though ;)
[18:57] <Angelic> too much work ;)
[18:57] <ukuz> they seem encrypted dont they
[18:57] <Angelic> and french
[18:57] <[3j]> yeah and written in old french too
[18:57] <[3j]> im french and its hard to follow
[18:57] <Angelic> funny how nancy says nostradamus could not predict the future
[18:57] <Angelic> zt says
[18:58] <[3j]> zt says he was just in tune with people, but yet he suposedly gave accurate predictions on those people far out in the future
[18:58] <ukuz> he almost got Hitler's name right
[18:58] <Angelic> amazing how nancy and zetas are seemingly interchangable sometimes ;)
[18:58] <[3j]> ukuz i dont know about the hitler thing, but if you know exact century and verse i can verify
[18:59] <[3j]> the first published works are available free from frances www library
[18:59] <ukuz> i know he called spelled Hitler slightly different
[18:59] <ukuz> like Hister
[19:00] <[3j]> hmm yeah
[19:00] <[3j]> i remember reading that
[19:01] <ukuz> im not read up on his predictions tho
[19:02] <Angelic> "soudan, sas d'afrique, va. en nations-unis peur les groupes sanguins"
[19:02] <ukuz> im gonna take a break fellas...see you around later
[19:02] <ukuz> :)
[19:02] <[3j]> http://gallica.bnf.fr   thats the place
[19:02] <[3j]> later ukuz
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[19:02] <Angelic> Soudan, the zif of africa, goes hither. under the united nation exist much fear for bloodtypes
[19:02] <Angelic> amazing, aids from africa
[19:03] <[3j]> hmm
[19:03] <[3j]> what centuri and verse is that angelic?
[19:03] <[3j]> century
[19:03] <Angelic> i just closed the book
[19:03] <[3j]> :)
[19:03] <[3j]> ah well
[19:03] <Angelic> III, 65
[19:04] <[3j]> hmmm interesting
[19:04] <[3j]> the one i got from the above url, shows different
[19:05] <Angelic> that is weird
[19:06] <Angelic> its 400 here I am off to bed :)
[19:06] <[3j]> "quand le fepulchre du grand Romain trouvé, le jour apres feras efleu pontife : Du fenat guerres il ne fera prouvé, Emprifonné fon fang au facré fcyphe.
[19:06] <[3j]> thats what i have, f = s in that old french
[19:06] <[3j]> hehe good idea angelic
[19:06] <Angelic> III, 65 is quite elaborate it seems
[19:06] <Angelic> yes very good :)
[19:07] <Angelic> -end of log\/
[19:07] <Angelic> goodnight and speak to you next time :)
[19:07] <Pott> Hmmmmm yes yes
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[19:10] <FunBot> [IQx] mooooo
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[19:56] <Pott> www.heatherxxx.com <------- Dirty girl
[19:57] <Pott> She enjoys a wee bit of anal
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[20:02] <agentY> oh
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[20:25] <IQx> Pott: No more links to pornography, first warning out of three.
[20:26] <agentY> hehe did u click on it and get popups??
[20:52] <[3j]> http://www.interracialcity.com/oj.html   <- spam said this was OJ sex video
[20:52] <[3j]> i didnt go tho :)
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[20:59] <IQx> [3j]: First warning for you out of three, do not post pornography here. Thank you.
[21:04] <[3j]> but is it real
[21:04] <[3j]> thats why i posted afterall
[21:05] <[3j]> wrote it even
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[21:46] <Pott> IQx: Perhaps it is your weakness to understand the influences that material can have on people.
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[21:47] <Pott> You think your about troubled times well the problem goes deeper than you seem to be able to stomach.
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[22:02] <IQx> Absolutely, but I wish for this chat to contain more of about what its purpose is, rather than pornography which was generally made to exploit the desperate.
[22:04] <Pott> Could have said that in the first place and i'm sure people would have agreed with you.
[22:05] <IQx> Its pretty self explanatory, making simple things too sophisticated would simply get you lost.
[22:06] <Pott> I just kind of laugh and shake my head
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Session Start: Tue Jul 16 22:26:56 2002
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[22:29] <LE_RENARD__> cheers :)
[22:34] <LE_RENARD__> IQx u tghere?
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[22:38] <ukuz> hi
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[22:40] <Red> IQx???   LTNS, mt friend...
[22:41] <Red> mt=my....    sheesh,    "garcon, more wine!!!"
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[22:58] <Pott> hey
[23:00] <sapphire> i'll be back
[23:00] <sapphire> in a minute
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Session Start: Tue Jul 16 23:01:54 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
[23:01] * Now talking in #Troubled_Times
[23:01] * Topic is 'Troubled Times Chat: http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm, for the zetatalk IRC Session channel, visit #ZetaTalk more info see http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm'
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[23:03] <Pott> hey sapp
[23:03] <Pott> Well that one site www.ufowatchdog.com has some good points
[23:03] <Pott> Suprised why Nancy has eluded them
[23:04] <sapphire> i'll have to check it out
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[23:04] <LE_RENARD__> hello
[23:04] <Pott> hey
[23:04] <LE_RENARD__> anyone awake?
[23:05] <Pott> A few
[23:05] <LE_RENARD__> sup pott
[23:05] <LE_RENARD__> did u finally become a nancy follower
[23:05] <LE_RENARD__> ?
[23:05] <LE_RENARD__> hehe
[23:06] <Pott> Nah
[23:06] <sapphire> is nancy listed somewhere on www.ufowatchdog.com
[23:06] <LE_RENARD__> i dunno
[23:06] <Pott> LE_R: How about you?
[23:07] <LE_RENARD__> nah, i cant stop counting the days until may 2003
[23:07] <Pott> Until Nancy is found retarded hehe
[23:07] <LE_RENARD__> perhaps by that time the wackos here would realize they were fooled all the time
[23:07] <LE_RENARD__> but oh well, if they believe her, they deserve to be fooled
[23:08] <Pott> I realize that
[23:08] <LE_RENARD__> hey sapphire
[23:08] <LE_RENARD__> how r u >
[23:08] <LE_RENARD__> ?
[23:08] <sapphire> some of these people will hang with her, when she explains her new story after may 2003
[23:08] <sapphire> i'm good
[23:09] <Pott> Shes like a sqirming worm about to be thrown in the fish pond.
[23:09] <Pott> Her new story the Zeta's ment 2300
[23:09] <Pott> Woops
[23:09] <sapphire> lol
[23:10] <sapphire> or "zetas said we aren't ready to make the transition until 2007"
[23:10] <sapphire> she'll have some excuse
[23:11] <Pott> They used a time displacement to slow PX down using such a technique creates a out of phase variance resulting in the complete disappearance of the Giant Comet.
[23:11] <Pott> Some crap like that.
[23:11] <sapphire> probably
[23:11] <Pott> Except Nancy has experience with blabber.
[23:11] <sapphire> she can get it from an old star trek episode
[23:12] <sapphire> the tech-speak
[23:12] <Pott> Exactly.
[23:12] <LE_RENARD__> IQx said yesterday that even though planet x doesnt show up in 2003
[23:12] <LE_RENARD__> hell still follow the zeta philosphy
[23:12] <sapphire> yes, that
[23:12] <Pott> Thats pretty hard
[23:12] <sapphire> that's what i was saying
[23:12] <Pott> Hes been mind mangled.
[23:12] <sapphire> believers won't stop believing
[23:13] <LE_RENARD__> gee
[23:13] <LE_RENARD__> this people's life must really be empty
[23:13] <LE_RENARD__> or very very wrong
[23:13] <sapphire> Obany will probably still be here, explaining to all how Zetas were somehow "right again!"
[23:14] <Pott> sapphire: That sentence kind of has a Nancy-like chune.
[23:14] <LE_RENARD__> obany and iqx are really lost cases
[23:15] <sapphire> have to get ready for work..i'll be back later
[23:15] <LE_RENARD__> k man
[23:15] <LE_RENARD__> take care
[23:15] <Pott> I wonder how many other lost cases are out there
[23:16] <Pott> "I will be the first to admit that there are serious and obvious errors in the message, especially the science section, and that the "100% accuracy track record" is far from 100% accurate. " --Jurian May 29, 2002
[23:16] <Pott> Former member.
[23:17] <Pott> Things will fall apart for Nancy from the inside well before 2003.
[23:18] <Pott> Time for some sleep
[23:18] <LE_RENARD__> k dood
[23:18] <LE_RENARD__> good night
[23:18] <Pott> 5 mins
[23:18] <LE_RENARD__> how come jurian found the light out opf the tunnel after all?
[23:19] <Pott> He saw through the darkness.
[23:19] <LE_RENARD__> what made him change his mind
[23:20] <Pott> He realized that a lot of it is BS.
[23:20] <LE_RENARD__> lol
[23:20] <LE_RENARD__> you dont need to be a genius to realize that
[23:20] <Pott> I think he realized that articulation of such material is well in the realm of mans or womans grasp.
[23:21] <Pott> It's really not hard to make up especially once you get good at it.
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> hehe
[23:22] <Pott> Nancy is probably a fairly decent typist.
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> nah i bet theres someone above her
[23:22] <Pott> A few pages a day translates over the course of years into ZT.
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> she seems too stupid to be the mastermind
[23:23] <Pott> Maybe your right.
[23:23] <Pott> I had suspect that perhaps planning a deception requires more than one mind.
[23:23] <LE_RENARD__> her pimp perhaps?
[23:23] <LE_RENARD__> hehe
[23:25] <Pott> I'm suprised anyone would want to do any work with such a rude looking bitch.
[23:25] <Pott> If you notice not many pictures has her smiling.
[23:26] <Pott> Except for the older B/W picture she holds a pretty dumb smile.
[23:26] <LE_RENARD__> shes damn ugly
[23:27] <Pott> She looks really stressed out.
[23:30] <Pott> Next IRC session someone ought to tell Nancy to take her prozac.
[23:32] <Pott> Or offer her a free liposuction and facelife
[23:32] <LE_RENARD__> ahahahahah
[23:32] <Pott> lift correction
[23:33] <LE_RENARD__> shell be well attended at jail
[23:33] <Pott> Well they'll send her to the ward atleast then she can rest well assured her brain will be picked and probed by someone.
[23:35] <Pott> In jail no one would want to do anything lesbian atleast in the ward she can convince some wack dude to fuck her.
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[23:39] <Jeremy> morning
[23:39] <sirgrim> hi
[23:39] <Jeremy> bright sunny morning here in London
[23:39] <Jeremy> oh, hi sirgrim
[23:39] <sirgrim> dark night here in co
[23:39] <Jeremy> yeah
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[23:41] <Jeremy> just been looking at that http://www.planet-x.150m.com/ website
[23:41] <sirgrim> yea that site's so funny
[23:41] <sirgrim> just like all the rest
[23:42] <sirgrim> 'you're a crack pot, give us evidence, oh yea, that evidence you gave it's not good enough, evidence that you're a crack pot? nope can't do'
[23:42] <Jeremy> is that Jim Scotti's site?
[23:42] <sirgrim> i don't know
[23:42] <Jeremy> oh
[23:43] <Jeremy> hang on I think I know
[23:44] <Jeremy> Someone called Jim who posts on ZetaAstro
[23:44] <LE_RENARD__> hey
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[23:46] <Jeremy> are you there sirgrim?
[23:48] <sirgrim> ea
[23:48] <Jeremy> ok
[23:49] <Jeremy> was going to ask you a question
[23:54] <Jeremy> hmm
[23:55] <Jeremy> Think I'll be off now..
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