Session Start: Thu Jul 18 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[00:17] <ukuz> Hi
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[00:19] <FunBot> [IQx] mooooo
[00:19] <ukuz_zzz> Got Milk?
[00:20] <ukuz_zzz> =)
[00:20] <IQx> =)
[00:20] <IQx> Hya
[00:20] <ukuz_zzz> hey
[00:20] <cmel-away> hi
[00:20] <IQx> Arent you supposed to be sleeping ?
[00:20] <ukuz_zzz> where r u?
[00:20] <IQx> I am here, you ?
[00:20] <ukuz_zzz> well i heard the cow thingy
[00:20] <IQx> Ohh, hehe
[00:20] <ukuz_zzz> im her too
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[00:21] <ukuz_zzz> i think we woke jesture
[00:21] <ukuz_zzz> =)
[00:21] <IQx> I think we woke the Zetas
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[00:21] <IQx> Alright, I am off to sleep
[00:21] <ukuz_zzz> ooo  morph
[00:21] <IQx> Cya =)
[00:21] <Gollum> wheresssss my ring
[00:21] <ukuz_zzz> aloha
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[00:21] <IQx[ZzZ]> Cya all
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[00:21] <Gollum> byessss
[00:22] <ukuz_zzz> so gollum, whats been up today here?
[00:22] <ukuz_zzz> :)
[00:22] <Gollum> not muchsss
[00:22] <Gollum> :)
[00:22] <ukuz_zzz> quiet day huh?
[00:22] <Gollum> yesss
[00:23] * Looking up sapphire user info...
[00:23] <ukuz_zzz> yeah the dust seems to have settled i see
[00:23] <Gollum> and Al Gore issss happy
[00:23] <Gollum> :)
[00:23] <ukuz_zzz> here we Gore again....
[00:23] <ukuz_zzz> hehe
[00:23] <Gollum> heha
[00:24] <Gollum> hessss one of the ssselected
[00:24] <Gollum> hehe
[00:24] <ukuz_zzz> they floated him, didnt they?
[00:25] <Gollum> yesssss ... ssssomthing with hisss leg
[00:25] <ukuz_zzz> (gave him a lift to the hospital, maybe?
[00:25] <ukuz_zzz> where did they float him to?
[00:25] <Gollum> looony factory perhapssss
[00:25] <ukuz_zzz> =)
[00:25] <Gollum> hehe
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[00:26] <ukuz_zzz> i wondered why he seemed a little too happy on tv...
[00:26] <cmel> haha
[00:26] <ukuz_zzz> =)
[00:27] <ukuz_zzz> but....what if it izzz lke Nancy sezzzz....hmmmm....
[00:27] <cmel> so ukuz_zzz are you talking in u'r sleep ?
[00:27] <ukuz_zzz> zzzzzzzz
[00:27] <ukuz_zzz> =)
[00:27] <cmel> hope not ukuz
[00:27] <cmel> :)
[00:27] <ukuz_zzz> lucid dreaming
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[00:27] <ukuz> that better?
[00:28] <ukuz> =)
[00:28] <cmel> but I do have dreams that way, but I believe it's just unwishful dreaming
[00:28] <ukuz> i see...
[00:28] <cmel> my worst fears
[00:28] <cmel> hehe
[00:28] <cmel> I saw NancyL .... oh no
[00:28] <cmel> hehe
[00:29] <ukuz> you did?
[00:29] <ukuz> hehe
[00:29] <cmel> nope jist kidding
[00:29] <cmel> just
[00:30] <ukuz> did you ever get dreams that warned you of something?
[00:30] <cmel> not really, but I've had dreams that fit in the PS-universe
[00:31] <cmel> u ?
[00:31] <ukuz> hehe
[00:31] <ukuz> was it like aftermath stuff?
[00:31] <cmel> yep
[00:31] <ukuz> dang
[00:31] <ukuz> you better go church
[00:31] <ukuz> =)
[00:31] <cmel> what about you, have you had any dreams
[00:31] <ukuz> yes
[00:32] <cmel> of that sort ?
[00:32] <ukuz> about a coworker who recently passed away
[00:32] <cmel> ok, not nice
[00:32] <ukuz> he had cancer and was home for months
[00:32] <cmel> btw I'm an ateist
[00:33] <ukuz> now how did i know that...
[00:33] <ukuz> =)
[00:33] <cmel> and you helped him
[00:33] <ukuz> actually i had this dream that i was talking to one of his relatives
[00:33] <cmel> strange
[00:33] <ukuz> and was told that he had passed away
[00:34] <cmel> and it was true
[00:34] <ukuz> so that morning i called and he was really ill
[00:34] <cmel> before you had been told ?
[00:34] <ukuz> and that afternoon he passed
[00:34] <ukuz> it was the first time i had called his home in months
[00:35] <cmel> even more strange
[00:35] <ukuz> yes
[00:35] <ukuz> well, that happened this year
[00:36] <cmel> well the world got to be a worse place
[00:36] <ukuz> you may get those dreams too someday
[00:36] <cmel> I hope not
[00:36] <cmel> I wouldn't know what to do with them
[00:37] <ukuz> wme too, so i just decided to call
[00:37] <ukuz> and find out how he was
[00:37] <cmel> was it a coworker you liked ?
[00:38] <ukuz> he was the key guy at work.
[00:38] <ukuz> learned alot
[00:38] <ukuz> from him
[00:38] <cmel> ok, sad thing to loose him !
[00:39] <ukuz> yeah, but you know? when its time, its time
[00:39] <ukuz> some people know the day they will die
[00:40] <cmel> yes, but that doesn't alliviate the pain
[00:41] <ukuz> I dont think he suffered, but im sure the family feels it
[00:41] <ukuz> anyway, we all have to go someday
[00:41] <ukuz> =)
[00:41] <cmel> yes, I know I would've in that situation
[00:41] <cmel> :)
[00:42] <cmel> so what moves your world ?
[00:43] <ukuz> are you skeptical about the Zetas?
[00:43] <cmel> YES
[00:43] <cmel> are you
[00:43] <cmel> ?
[00:44] <cmel> Ihave to be
[00:44] <ukuz> with me its easier to beleive that PX is comeing
[00:44] <cmel> ok, but do you prepare
[00:45] <ukuz> but I really wonder about the Zeta part
[00:45] <ukuz> i guess i need proof
[00:45] <cmel> me too
[00:45] <ukuz> i havent done any prep yet
[00:45] <cmel> me neither
[00:46] <ukuz> so two more months before we see something according to Nancy huh?
[00:46] <cmel> in the end of march 2003
[00:47] <cmel> we can see PX
[00:47] <cmel> according to NL
[00:47] <ukuz> ok, i thought earlier
[00:47] <cmel> 7 weeks was the figure
[00:48] <cmel> before
[00:48] <cmel> 15 may
[00:48] <ukuz> how about if you have a pretty decent size telescope?
[00:48] <cmel> I don't
[00:48] <cmel> do you
[00:48] <ukuz> maybe see it earlier?
[00:48] <ukuz> no, but i think some friends may have
[00:49] <cmel> with a telescope ... hhmmm yes
[00:49] <ukuz> like wiewable this year?
[00:49] <cmel> well I have no friends :(
[00:49] <cmel> hehe
[00:49] <ukuz> ehe
[00:49] <cmel> this fall it should be viewable
[00:49] <ukuz> thats because you sit here all the time
[00:50] <ukuz> =)
[00:50] <cmel> just before sunrise
[00:50] <ukuz> ok
[00:50] <cmel> yes
[00:50] <cmel> I want news
[00:50] <cmel> about PX
[00:50] <ukuz> PX stuff?
[00:50] <cmel> yes
[00:51] <cmel> but so far ...... nothing
[00:51] <ukuz> do you understand the right ascention thing
[00:51] <ukuz> and declination
[00:52] <ukuz> (coordinate numbers)
[00:52] <cmel> I have a somewhat "foogy" understanding of it
[00:53] <cmel> I know a lot of mathematics
[00:53] <ukuz> i have no idea what to make of it
[00:53] <ukuz> cool
[00:53] <ukuz> so you see concepts with equations and stuf?
[00:53] <cmel> I have seti@home running on my computer
[00:53] <cmel> overall yes
[00:54] <ukuz> cool
[00:54] <cmel> but in depth
[00:54] <cmel> :(
[00:54] <cmel> not
[00:54] <ukuz> hehe
[00:55] <ukuz> Search for ufos too?
[00:55] <cmel> I search for anything related
[00:55] <cmel> don't you ?
[00:56] <ukuz> i just look in the sky at night every now and then
[00:56] <ukuz> :)
[00:56] <cmel> not much though ... hehe
[00:56] <cmel> btw I do that as well
[00:56] <ukuz> did you hear about Venus bieng brighter than normal
[00:57] <cmel> nope
[00:57] <ukuz> i think it was venus...
[00:57] <cmel> is it ?
[00:57] <cmel> shes just horny ... hehe
[00:57] <ukuz> =)
[00:57] <cmel> really
[00:57] <ukuz> but seriously ive seen it brighter
[00:58] <ukuz> now
[00:58] <cmel> ok
[00:58] <ukuz> a friend said tha same thing too
[00:58] <cmel> so is it somthing special
[00:58] <cmel> something
[00:58] <cmel> ?
[00:59] <ukuz> well maybe the sun is reflecting more light
[00:59] <cmel> how could it do that ?
[00:59] <cmel> I mean more light than usual ?
[00:59] <ukuz> yeah
[01:00] <cmel> sounds strange
[01:00] <ukuz> its really bright in the evening here
[01:00] <cmel> ok
[01:00] <ukuz> bigger looking
[01:01] <cmel> I'll go check that later
[01:01] <ukuz> you should get a telescope
[01:01] <ukuz> i think you would see stuff
[01:01] <cmel> perhaps .... but I don't have the finances
[01:01] <cmel> :(
[01:01] <ukuz> ask mom or dad...
[01:01] <ukuz> =)
[01:01] <cmel> haha
[01:02] <cmel> I'm 32, how could I ask
[01:02] <cmel> :)
[01:02] <ukuz> christmas present
[01:02] <ukuz> hehe
[01:03] <cmel> hehe
[01:03] <cmel> too late you know
[01:04] <ukuz> do you have binocculars?
[01:04] <cmel> yes I do
[01:04] <cmel> do you ?
[01:04] <ukuz> that may help
[01:04] <cmel> not really
[01:04] <ukuz> yes but not that good
[01:05] <cmel> ok, but look with them, then I'll look with mine
[01:05] <cmel> and we both will look stupid
[01:05] <cmel> hehe
[01:05] <ukuz> did you hear about this guy that retired from the LA times
[01:05] <ukuz> Phillip Kraph
[01:05] <ukuz> he was on Artbell
[01:06] <cmel> nope I don't read LA Times
[01:06] <cmel> ArtBell costs money = so I'm not there
[01:06] <ukuz> oh thats right
[01:06] <ukuz> youre not in the states
[01:06] <cmel> yep
[01:07] <ukuz> O'Canada right?
[01:07] <cmel> O'europe
[01:07] <ukuz> hehe
[01:07] <ukuz> ok
[01:07] <cmel> haha
[01:07] <ukuz> Copenhagen
[01:07] <cmel> yep, now you remember .... hehe
[01:08] <ukuz> i should visit the place
[01:08] <cmel> where are you from in US ?
[01:08] <ukuz> Hawaii
[01:08] <cmel> oh yes, now I remember ... hehe
[01:09] <ukuz> are UFOs taken seriously there?
[01:09] <cmel> what time is it out there ?
[01:09] <cmel> ufos nope
[01:09] <ukuz> none on the news?
[01:10] <cmel> not on the news
[01:10] <cmel> what time is it out there ?
[01:10] <ukuz> same here
[01:10] <ukuz> 10 13 pm
[01:11] <cmel> thats 2213 hours
[01:11] <ukuz> 10:13 pm
[01:11] <ukuz> yep
[01:11] <cmel> hehe
[01:11] <cmel> thats a good 12 hours away
[01:11] <cmel> from me that is
[01:12] <ukuz> how much difference are you from UTC time?
[01:12] <cmel> on the other side of earth
[01:12] <cmel> UTC what is that
[01:12] <ukuz> GMT?
[01:12] <ukuz> universal time
[01:13] <cmel> GMT +1
[01:13] <ukuz> i see
[01:13] <cmel> but which fixpoint does UTC have ?
[01:13] <ukuz> Grenich
[01:14] <cmel> Grenich ?? where is that
[01:14] <ukuz> england, i think
[01:14] <cmel> Grenwich
[01:14] <cmel> ?
[01:14] <cmel> GMT
[01:15] <ukuz> Grenich Mean Time
[01:15] <cmel> Grenwich Mean Time
[01:15] <cmel> I'm not sure if I spell it correctly
[01:15] <ukuz> ok
[01:16] <ukuz> think youre right
[01:16] <cmel> so what about crop circles
[01:16] <ukuz> its Greenwich
[01:16] <ukuz> hehe
[01:16] <cmel> do you hear that in the new
[01:16] <ukuz> i looked it up
[01:16] <cmel> s
[01:17] <cmel> hehe
[01:17] <cmel> so much for delayed response
[01:17] <cmel> hehe
[01:18] <ukuz> there may have been reports sometime ago
[01:18] <ukuz> :)
[01:18] <cmel> CC's hardly makes the news
[01:18] <cmel> here
[01:18] <ukuz> does it happen in Denmark?
[01:19] <cmel> but some of them are magnificent
[01:19] <cmel> yes  ... but rarely
[01:19] <ukuz> do you think its manmade?
[01:19] <cmel> most of them are
[01:20] <ukuz> they are clever
[01:20] <ukuz> :)
[01:20] <cmel> yes
[01:20] <cmel> the most detailed ones couldn't have been human made
[01:21] <ukuz> its a mystery to me
[01:21] <cmel> to me too
[01:21] <ukuz> if they do mean someting then i havent any clue
[01:21] <ukuz> they just look like art
[01:22] <ukuz> :)
[01:22] <ukuz> did Nancy say they meant something
[01:22] <ukuz> ?
[01:22] <cmel> according to ZT it is not meant to be something concious
[01:22] <ukuz> hmmm
[01:23] <ukuz> Hey Cmel, i need to step away for a bit
[01:23] <cmel> you look at it and pick it up unconciously
[01:23] <cmel> k ukuz
[01:23] <cmel> how long
[01:23] <ukuz> talk to ya later
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[01:25] <cmel> anyone out there that wants to chat
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[02:24] <cmel> hi poeple
[02:24] <cmel> people
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[03:13] <sirgrim> god qwest is completely and utterly useless
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[03:46] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
[03:47] <obany> Hello
[03:47] <obany> mr grim you there ? :P
[03:48] <obany> sound a sleep i guess
[03:52] <sirgrim> hi
[03:53] <obany> hi
[03:54] <obany> sir: do you know about the forum on wagd.com
[03:54] <obany> it doesn't work
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[03:56] <grim> pft
[03:56] <grim> karash
[03:56] <obany> wb
[03:56] <grim> ya
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[03:57] <sirgrim> computer crashed hard, had to unplug it, the toggle switch wouldn't turn it off
[03:57] <sirgrim> hehe
[03:57] <sirgrim> havn't had a nice hard crash like that in a while
[03:59] <obany> ah
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[04:14] <obany> problems in Northern Italy, Poland and the North of Germany with rain
[04:14] <obany> torrential rain
[04:16] <sirgrim> and plagues of grasshoppers in the US
[04:16] <sirgrim> more in china
[04:17] <sirgrim> still in russia and afghan
[04:17] <sirgrim> just waiting for egypt and the arabias now
[04:18] <obany> altough it's Dutch http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/tv/nos/journaal/bb.laatste.rm  you can see a bit of it ... starts at 33 seconds
[04:19] <obany> when did that plague of grashoppers start in the USA?
[04:20] <sirgrim> i heard reports of it in Nevada about 2months ago
[04:20] <sirgrim> but no news reports, just locals calling into art bell
[04:21] <obany> ah
[04:21] <obany> guess the news doesn't take it worthwhile to pay attention too
[04:22] <sirgrim> yea, or just delaying reports
[04:23] <obany> that also could be it
[04:24] <obany> as now i looked if i could find info about those floos and rain on moreover.com (a news portal) but couldn't find info yet
[04:24] <obany> but i saw it on Dutch tv
[04:24] <sirgrim> o
[04:26] <obany> people in problems etc... and almost not any news about it
[04:26] <obany> geez
[04:33] <obany> maybe because the Netherlands is close by. European country. So maybe it will be on the www later on
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[05:25] <obany> wb
[05:29] <sirgrim> ty
[05:29] <sirgrim> !suptime
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[05:30] <sirgrim> the grasshopper swarms are on the front page of our paper today
[05:30] <sirgrim> where normally 8 grasshoppers per yard, there's 300
[05:30] <sirgrim> hehe
[05:30] <obany> ah ...
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[05:42] <obany> cmel: did you heard, or saw about the floods and torrintial rain in Northern Germany
[05:42] <obany> Poland, Northern Italy
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[06:15] <obany> hi
[06:15] <caz> hello
[06:15] <cmel> hi
[06:16] <obany> anything you like to talk about ?
[06:17] <cmel> how about the "new" story in isreal
[06:17] <cmel> Israel
[06:18] <cmel> hhhmmmmmm maybee not :)
[06:18] <caz> what's the stroy?
[06:19] <obany> we talked about it yesterday cmel, about tel aviv.. anyway did you heard/read/saw abut the problems in Germany
[06:19] <obany> Northern Italy, Poland
[06:19] <cmel> no obany ... what
[06:19] <obany> floods, torrintial rain .. i saw it on the dutch news
[06:20] <cmel> ok obany
[06:20] <cmel> I havn't seen
[06:20] <cmel> maybee the news found that it was not worth sending
[06:20] <obany> as you live in Denmark... and haven't heard or seen it ... strange
[06:21] <cmel> yes ... sound strange
[06:21] <cmel> sounds
[06:22] <obany> http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/tv/nos/journaal/bb.laatste.rm the words are in dutch ,starts about 30 seconds ... or   http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/play?/tv/nos/journaal/laatste.rm for a slower connection
[06:22] <cmel> just a sec
[06:23] <obany> for what i saw also in Sleeswijk Holstijn wich is pretty close to Denmark for what i know
[06:25] <cmel> you know of course it's "slesvig holsten", it's an old DANISH piece of ground :)
[06:26] <obany> i didn't know that
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[06:26] <cmel> nobody knows
[06:27] <cmel> it was back in 1864 the Danish and the Germans had a war about that territory
[06:28] <cmel> we the Danish actually made the first multi barrel gun
[06:29] <cmel> machine gun
[06:29] <obany> ah
[06:29] <cmel> a little proud
[06:29] <obany> but did germany won or was a deal made or so ?
[06:29] <obany> about that territory ?
[06:29] <cmel> but the americans claim they did it first of course
[06:30] <cmel> slevig holsten
[06:30] <cmel> slesvig holsten
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[06:31] <cmel> the Germans won that war, don't know why
[06:31] <cmel> maybe they were too many
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[06:39] <cmel> HI JER
[06:39] <Jeremy> hi
[06:39] <Jeremy> just quickly popping in
[06:39] <cmel> k
[06:39] <Jeremy> Whats the weather like in Coppenhagen?
[06:39] <cmel> not much happening
[06:39] <cmel> rain
[06:40] <Jeremy> oh
[06:40] <Jeremy> nice and sunny here
[06:40] <cmel> sorry
[06:40] <cmel> hehe
[06:40] <Jeremy> bought a few more items for my survival cache today
[06:40] <cmel> nice and sunny down in the pyrenees
[06:40] <cmel> k jer
[06:40] <Jeremy> can you guess?
[06:41] <cmel> watching TDF
[06:41] <Jeremy> TDF?
[06:41] <cmel> Tour De France
[06:41] <Jeremy> oh .. of course
[06:41] <cmel> nice weather
[06:42] <Jeremy> I'm going for a 45 mile bike ride on Saturday actaully. Try to it every year..
[06:42] <cmel> ok, jer
[06:42] <cmel> where are u then
[06:42] <cmel> ?
[06:42] <Jeremy> SE London
[06:42] <cmel> can't remember
[06:42] <cmel> ok
[06:43] <cmel> Jalebert leads
[06:43] <cmel> Jalabert
[06:44] <Jeremy> right
[06:44] <Jeremy> do you work part time?
[06:44] <cmel> right now I dont have work
[06:44] <Jeremy> ok
[06:44] <cmel> bad thing not that much money
[06:45] <Jeremy> too true
[06:45] <cmel> ¨what about u ?
[06:45] <Jeremy> I work at home as a database applications developer. Right now I am working, but I take breaks to surf the net and do other stuff
[06:46] <cmel> ok jer. , can you handle it ?
[06:46] <Jeremy> the work is challenging but I keep on top of it
[06:46] <cmel> thats good :)
[06:46] <Jeremy> Just I think more and more about the future ahead now i.e. 2003
[06:47] <cmel> don't you get abit lonly
[06:47] <Jeremy> yes I do
[06:47] <Jeremy> The IRC has helped a bit in that department
[06:47] <cmel> must be, at least as I see it
[06:48] <cmel> ok Jer.
[06:48] <Jeremy> are you married cmel?
[06:48] <cmel> no I'm sorry (and happy hehe).
[06:49] <Jeremy> ok
[06:49] <cmel> dammit I have too much time
[06:49] <Jeremy> plenty of time to read
[06:50] <cmel> yes
[06:50] <Jeremy> are you coming on here tonight?
[06:51] <cmel> I might, I haven't decided yet
[06:51] <Jeremy> right
[06:51] <Jeremy> I better go back to work now .. see ya
[06:51] <cmel> but I guess I'll watch if anything happens
[06:51] <Jeremy> bye
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[06:51] <cmel> se ya
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[07:33] <obaway> bye folks , i go to my job now....
[07:33] <obaway> back in a little more then 3 hours
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[08:04] <Freax> http://www.freeworld.dk/div/pics/vibe/vibe1.jpg
[08:04] <Freax> is it just me or does she look artificial
[08:04] <Freax> i mean computer generated
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[08:26] <Freax> brb
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[08:29] <cmel-away> Freax she's both I think
[08:29] <Freax> grr, the tournament is on
[08:29] <Freax> mmm i was thinking that too
[08:29] <cmel-away> hehe
[08:30] <Freax> because she looks rather like that playstation 2: tekken tag tournament character
[08:30] * cmel-away is now known as cmel
[08:30] <Freax> and maybe she modelled or was modelled from her by those jackin japanese detail artists
[08:30] <cmel>  yes i think that too
[08:31] <cmel> do you have a PS2
[08:31] <Freax> we think alike
[08:31] <Freax> yes
[08:31] <cmel> me too
[08:31] <Freax> wow
[08:31] <Freax> incredible
[08:31] <Freax> 2 people in the world bought a ps2 =D
[08:32] <cmel> hehehahaha
[08:32] <Freax> im waiting for the hard drive so i can use it for what i really bought it for instead of these shitty console games
[08:32] <Freax> redhat linux mp3 box/games box
[08:33] <cmel> yeah well, the americans got it allready i think
[08:33] <Freax> wonder how complete the linux hardware/software interface is, maybe you can play q3arena on it
[08:33] <Freax> yeah figures
[08:33] <Freax> they get all the good stuff first
[08:33] <cmel> 8gig drive +
[08:33] <cmel> yeah
[08:33] <Freax> it's only 8gig?
[08:34] <Freax> thought it was 40gig
[08:34] <cmel> look to slashdot.org
[08:34] <Freax> thought i did, this morning
[08:35] <cmel> thats where I saw that news
[08:35] <cmel> hehe
[08:36] <cmel> maybe I'm wrong
[08:38] <cmel> maybe I'm wrong because my memory is not that good
[08:38] <cmel> hehe
[08:38] <Freax> narf
[08:38] <cmel> narf = ?
[08:38] <Freax> larf narf
[08:38] <cmel> larf narf = ?
[08:39] <Freax> laugh = larf = narf
[08:39] <Freax> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/03/21/linuxps2.html
[08:39] <cmel> k
[08:39] <Freax> thats where i read it from
[08:39] <Freax> This kit will include a Linux distribution on DVD that runs on the PS2 hardware, additional software, documentation, a 40GB hard drive, an Ethernet adapter, a USB mouse, a USB keyboard, and a computer monitor cable. The package will cost $200.
[08:40] <cmel> good 4 u
[08:40] <Freax> nod, i am where to see where the hdd's power supply comes from =P
[08:40] <Freax> it just has a socket for scsi 2 at the back
[08:41] <Freax> maybe it's a special sort of scsi 2/ide hybrid/psu cable
[08:41] <Freax> with it all in one
[08:41] <Freax> cause hdd's dont take that much power
[08:41] <cmel> k Freax
[08:42] <Freax> Those interested in buying and playing around with the PS2 Linux kit should be aware of some things before getting it: Access to the PS2's DVD drive is restricted so that only official PlayStation discs can be read; and CD-Rs and DVD-R discs won't work in the drive. However, the USB ports on the PS2 are standard, so some USB external CD and DVD drive models that are supported under Linux could be used with this kit.
[08:42] <cmel> anyone else out there ?
[08:42] <cmel> yes Freax
[08:43] <cmel> I'm in love Freax
[08:43] <Freax> with a hard drive?
[08:43] <cmel> yes, hehe
[08:43] <Freax> heh
[08:44] <Freax> fun
[08:44] <cmel> hehe
[08:44] <cmel> haha
[08:44] <cmel> sorry Freax
[08:52] <cmel> Freax ?
[08:55] <Freax> yeah!
[08:55] <Freax> sorry was screwing in mac world
[08:55] <Freax> i need an smp based pc
[08:55] <cmel> k Freax
[08:55] <Freax> maybe ill buy that smp based MP athlon system afterall
[08:55] <cmel> he
[08:55] <Freax> mmm dual ghz
[08:56] <cmel> a dual athlon system ?
[08:56] <Freax> yeayh
[08:56] <cmel> good
[08:56] <Freax> well i very well cant go for dual p3 can i?
[08:56] <cmel> I hate Intel
[08:56] <Freax> narf
[08:56] <Freax> you cant get the dual boards for intel
[08:56] <cmel> hehe
[08:56] <Freax> well you can but not here
[08:57] <cmel> go for it
[08:57] <Freax> mmm, think ill wait till the athlon mp 2ghz ones come down though
[08:57] <cmel> I'm running on athlon
[08:57] <cmel> k Freax
[08:57] <Freax> their $484 right now and ill wait till they come to around $200
[08:58] <Freax> or $300
[08:58] <cmel> sounds ok though
[08:58] <Freax> yeah double the memory bandwith too, so no sharing
[08:59] <Freax> bbs installing ircle for mac
[08:59] <cmel> he, you should do it
[09:01] <cmel> lærkøæykøæøyoqiåpoeitåiåruånm-,cxvb-v.m,-nz.nzcnbjprwjtåpirapjå
[09:01] <cmel> just testing my keyboard
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[09:17] <[3j]> damn
[09:17] <[3j]> " jesus christ superstart "
[09:17] <[3j]> superstar!
[09:17] <[3j]> very good movie..
[09:18] * cmel-away is now known as cmel
[09:18] <cmel> hi 3j
[09:18] <[3j]> pjå cmel ?
[09:18] <[3j]> hi
[09:18] <cmel> fæljd 3j
[09:18] <[3j]> dutch?
[09:18] <cmel> nope danish
[09:19] <[3j]> cmel do you know of an area called flandres?
[09:19] <[3j]> and if so is it danish there too?
[09:19] <[3j]> or dutch/german
[09:19] <cmel> no I don't
[09:19] <[3j]> ok
[09:20] <[3j]> so whats up
[09:20] <cmel> flanres where is that ??
[09:20] <cmel> flandress
[09:20] <cmel> nothin' much
[09:20] <[3j]> not sure exactly where, but think its around netherlands somewhere
[09:20] <cmel> hehe
[09:21] <[3j]> but danemark is far from there
[09:21] <[3j]> did hamlet really exist?
[09:21] <cmel> but netherlands i far from here
[09:21] <cmel> nope
[09:22] <Freax> isnt that denmark not danemark
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[09:22] <cmel> it is danemark
[09:22] <Freax> hmm
[09:22] <cmel> ingerman
[09:23] <Freax> sounds like it could come from the netherlands
[09:23] <cmel> well we can understand what u say
[09:23] <cmel> pretty much
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[09:24] <cmel> r u there ?
[09:25] <Freax> no brb
[09:25] <cmel> k
[09:28] <Freax> tell me
[09:28] <Freax> what is your reason for hating intel?
[09:28] <Freax> i want to hear it
[09:29] <Freax> i hate it too but i want to hear yours
[09:29] <Freax> because im 'interested'
[09:29] <cmel> I just hate plp that create monopoly
[09:29] <Freax> ahh ok
[09:30] <[3j]> pff
[09:30] <Freax> and that their chips are so damn expensive?
[09:30] <Freax> for the same clock rate?
[09:30] <cmel> yeah
[09:30] <[3j]> think about it cmel, if you started making CPU's 30 years ago
[09:30] <[3j]> and you then started a company
[09:30] <[3j]> and became such a great brand and your company got so big
[09:30] <Freax> is there some kind of placebo effect around cpu's?
[09:30] <cmel> than I would create monopoly
[09:30] <cmel> then
[09:30] <[3j]> would it be right for others to label you as a person who created a monopoly..
[09:31] <Freax> or are they more parallel intensive then amd which ive come to think
[09:31] <[3j]> AMD exists despite intel
[09:31] <cmel> no it would be ritght for them to dislike me
[09:31] <cmel> right
[09:31] <[3j]> and btw, intel is very important to where I live since they provide jobs to thousands out here
[09:31] <Freax> well i havent owned an intel machine since the 486
[09:32] <Freax> err make that the pentium 120
[09:32] <Freax> o/ced to 133 =P
[09:32] <cmel> me to Freax
[09:32] <[3j]> so maybe thats why i like them :)
[09:32] <Freax> hehe, did you overclock it by fsb like i did?
[09:32] <cmel> nope
[09:32] <Freax> i cant really remembert
[09:32] <Freax> how i did it...
[09:33] <Freax> i think i just done it at 66mhz bus and then used the 133-166 'multiplier' setting to get the extra boost
[09:33] <[3j]> i never o/ced
[09:33] <cmel> hehe
[09:34] <[3j]> i would just go and buy a better board and cpu
[09:34] <cmel> 3j get movin'
[09:34] <Freax> it had 75-120 133-166 180-200
[09:34] <[3j]> movin where?
[09:34] <Freax> oh no it wasnt any more heat, the factory fan gave the chip the cooling it needed
[09:34] <cmel> to fly 3j
[09:35] <[3j]> fly?
[09:35] <[3j]> hehe i dont understand you cmel
[09:35] <Freax> i bought an amd 166 chip before that though, but the dog shorted the shittin thing out
[09:35] <Freax> then i bought a good amd k6-2 500 and then this amd 1ghz
[09:35] <[3j]> i have an intel 800 i think right now :)
[09:36] <cmel> I want u 2 fly away
[09:36] <[3j]> cmel, why ?
[09:36] <Freax> he said, get movin, to buy a new board and cpu
[09:36] <[3j]> oh
[09:36] <[3j]> no cant afford it today :)
[09:36] <Freax> and he wants you to 'fly' away
[09:36] <Freax> heh heh
[09:36] <Freax> heh
[09:37] <Freax> come fly with me come fly lets fly away
[09:37] <cmel> I want u 2 fly autonomously
[09:37] <cmel> fly away
[09:37] <[3j]> i dont get it
[09:37] <[3j]> why ?
[09:37] <[3j]> you don't like me? you want me to go away? :(
[09:37] <cmel> why no
[09:38] <Freax> hehehe
[09:38] <cmel> no :)
[09:38] <Freax> aww
[09:38] <[3j]> whew ok :)
[09:38] <Freax> hooray =D
[09:38] <cmel> I like u :)
[09:38] <Freax> aww
[09:38] <[3j]> aww i feel better now
[09:38] <Freax> hooray =D
[09:38] <cmel> hehe
[09:38] <[3j]> well i cant fly away right now
[09:38] <Freax> aww
[09:38] * [3j] is stucked to a chair
[09:39] <cmel> ok
[09:39] <Freax> hooray =D
[09:39] <Freax> aww
[09:39] * cmel likes [3j]
[09:39] <[3j]> hip hip hurray!
[09:39] <Freax> hooray =D
[09:39] <cmel> hehe
[09:40] <Freax> narf narf
[09:40] <Freax> brb
[09:40] <cmel> narf
[09:40] <[3j]> " Beijing orders Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese to have abortions... "
[09:40] <[3j]> ouch..
[09:40] <[3j]> http://www.taipeitimes.com/news/2002/07/18/story/0000148688
[09:41] <[3j]> must be hard to live in china
[09:41] * cmel invites [3j] to a flight around the world
[09:41] <[3j]> cmel i'll go if its by hotair ballon
[09:41] <[3j]> balloon
[09:41] <cmel> it is
[09:41] <[3j]> cool!
[09:41] <cmel> lets fly
[09:41] <Freax> naa macs suck
[09:41] <[3j]> tt should put up plans online on how to build a hot air balloon / flying boat, for after the shift
[09:42] <Freax> ive quit macintosh
[09:42] <cmel> u've found out ???
[09:42] <[3j]> hehe, i think macs are cool
[09:42] <Freax> until it wakes up to itself and creates a task bar
[09:42] <Freax> yeah it's ok with it's parallel tasking and shit
[09:42] <Freax> but it just aint me right now
[09:42] <[3j]> oh i dont know about that stuff :)
[09:43] <[3j]> they do crash alot i remember that much from when i worked with them
[09:43] <[3j]> macos is buggy (bill gates plan..)
[09:43] <Freax> yeah mac was shitty
[09:43] <Freax> for stability
[09:43] <[3j]> but the first macs where very stable
[09:43] <cmel> Yeah I did crash
[09:43] <Freax> oh definatley
[09:43] <Freax> like the amiga, it was stable
[09:43] <Freax> sort of
[09:43] <Freax> i loved the amigs
[09:43] <Freax> amiga
[09:44] <Freax> so fast yet so multitaskable
[09:44] <cmel> the amiga was fun
[09:44] <Freax> it can still whipp my athlon while writing to disks
[09:44] <Freax> hehe
[09:44] <cmel> haha
[09:45] <Freax> it can format a disk in 2mins while the x86 is freezing the system and using 60% of an amd athlon 1ghz to format a disk
[09:45] <[3j]> lol
[09:45] <cmel> hehe
[09:45] <[3j]> obviously old floppy drivers are more efficient
[09:45] <Freax> all while running irc and multitasking with apsoloutley no lag
[09:45] <Freax> no
[09:45] <[3j]> oh
[09:46] <[3j]> hehehe
[09:46] <cmel> sure   ?
[09:46] <Freax> the trick is that it has single device drivers
[09:46] <[3j]> i remember my first pc with no hard drive, always swapping floppys and how i wanted so much to get an extra floppy drive
[09:46] <cmel> haha
[09:46] <cmel> hehe
[09:46] <Freax> it tells the device that runs the floppy drive to do this this way and this how, and then it goes back to whatever it was doing in the blink of an eye while the device that runs the floppy drive 'runs' and processes the commands
[09:47] <Freax> it's the same with scsi and the video device in the amigas
[09:47] <Freax> aswell as the pheriphrals
[09:47] <[3j]> fork()
[09:47] <cmel> haha
[09:47] <[3j]> thats the function ;)
[09:47] <[3j]> works the same way with unix style os's
[09:48] <Freax> you could be printing/formatting up to 3-4 drives at once while saving a huge document to external scsi disk, while scanning a new image into ram while playing a friggen game all on the amiga
[09:48] <[3j]> windows on the other hand doesnt work because of bad thread support (pre winxp)
[09:48] <Freax> and all with only 8mb ram
[09:48] <Freax> or less up to 1meg for the amiga 600
[09:48] <Freax> or is it 1.5meg
[09:48] <[3j]> i dont know
[09:49] <[3j]> but thats not alot :)
[09:49] <Freax> i know the os used to fit into 256kb
[09:49] <[3j]> hehe
[09:49] <Freax> and it was a marvellous piece of work
[09:49] <Freax> ./all/ in machine language
[09:49] <cmel> hehe
[09:49] <Freax> stable as hell
[09:50] <Freax> or was it C im not sure anymore
[09:50] * Freax scratches head
[09:50] * cmel likes Freax
[09:50] <[3j]> c is fairly new, might of been something like pascal or cobol..
[09:50] <[3j]> just a guess, i really dont know
[09:50] <Freax> yeah pascal
[09:50] <cmel> yeayh
[09:50] <cmel> yeah
[09:50] <Freax> i remember C coming out later in the amiga 1200 age
[09:51] <cmel> k
[09:51] <Freax> or was it the amiga 2000 age
[09:51] <Freax> oh whatever
[09:51] * [3j] !
[09:51] * [3j] ?
[09:51] <cmel> it was good anyway
[09:51] <Freax> so any of you guy's use a voice based irc program?
[09:51] <[3j]> you mean voice to text ?
[09:51] <cmel> nope
[09:51] <Freax> yeah i could be on an amiga right now and you guy's wouldnt be the wiser =P
[09:52] <Freax> mmm yes sort of
[09:52] <cmel> hehe
[09:52] <Freax> but if you've got a program that does that id love to have it
[09:52] <cmel> you have mikes
[09:52] <Freax> no not yet
[09:52] <Freax> im off to buy one though
[09:52] <cmel> k
[09:52] <Freax> and dont think of trying to listen in either =P
[09:52] <Freax> this is windows 2000
[09:52] <Freax> mwhahaaa
[09:52] <[3j]> i dont know, those things are still to new
[09:52] <cmel> I have one though
[09:53] <[3j]> it takes forever to train the software to recognize your voice, etc
[09:53] <Freax> you have one what cmel?
[09:53] <cmel> mike
[09:53] <Freax> naa it takes me 5mins
[09:53] <Freax> ahh a mic
[09:53] <cmel> yes
[09:53] <Freax> depends on the quality of the mic
[09:53] <[3j]> 5 mins yes, but it wont be able to pick everything up... so you need to speak unnaturally it seems
[09:54] <Freax> if it's a hairy tincan type then dont bother =P
[09:54] <[3j]> i was using the office XP voice to text
[09:54] <cmel> hehe
[09:54] <[3j]> plus background noise can screw it up so no listening to music
[09:54] <cmel> I'm talking to my friends
[09:54] <Freax> use a dynamic all range one and hook it up via you're equaliser and turn down the upper range (or wherever your voice is in the range =D)
[09:55] <Freax> then step it back up and run it through your line in port
[09:55] <[3j]> i just put the mic in the mic jack :)
[09:55] <Freax> http://www.amiga.org/
[09:55] <IQx[ZzZ]> Voice Recognition systems are not to the performance standards for typical IRC chatting, there are a few offered which will possibly pick up a fraction of the whole, but there isnt any really good software available on the market that will do the job (for IRC)
[09:55] <Freax> aww what a way to break the moment IQx[ZzZ] +P
[09:56] <IQx[ZzZ]> =)
[09:56] <[3j]> hehe
[09:56] <cmel> who cares about voice recognitino
[09:56] <cmel> n
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[09:56] <Freax> ooh shit, the amiga has evolved since i last saw it =D
[09:56] <Freax> it can now support a voodoo 3=P
[09:56] <cmel> ¨hehe
[09:56] <Freax> teehee, still that isnt much
[09:57] <Freax> but they're coming out with a pci/isa brideboard
[09:58] <cmel> get movin'
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[10:00] * Freax slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout
[10:01] <cmel> haha
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[10:22] <Freax> if you guy's knew of a voice based irc system like talk and ye shall hear not see would you download it?
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[10:35] <Freax> brb brb brb brb
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[10:48] <Freax> ok im off to bed
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[11:12] <reticuli> hi folks
[11:16] <sapphire> hey there
[11:16] <reticuli> how are you?
[11:16] <sapphire> good
[11:17] <reticuli> im dead tired :)
[11:18] <sapphire> don't let your head hit the keyboard when you fall asleep
[11:18] <reticuli> hehe
[11:19] <reticuli> I've already fallen to sleep at work twice this morning
[11:21] <sapphire> i saw that Zacharias decided to plead guilty today, and spill the beans of al quaeda
[11:21] <reticuli> really? I'll have to do read that
[11:21] <reticuli> do=go
[11:21] <sapphire> yeah, all over the news
[11:21] <sapphire> says he is pledged to osama bin laden
[11:23] <reticuli> the details are pretty sparse.... We will have to wait and see what comes out of this
[11:24] <sapphire> from what I've heard he has basically confessed to everything
[11:25] <reticuli> I just read the new york times, said he wanted to plead guilty and pledged his alleigiance to osama bin laden, however he originally wanted to enter a "pure" plea... whatever that is they wouldnt let him do it
[11:25] <sapphire> it comes from "black's law dictionary"
[11:25] <sapphire> kind of like no lo contendre
[11:26] <reticuli> he has been hinting at conspiracies against himself
[11:26] <sapphire> he might get declared non competant
[11:26] <reticuli> and the others, I hear he is a little unsstable
[11:26] <reticuli> i think its likely
[11:27] <sapphire> in any case, it will be interesting to see if is "inside info" on al quaeda pans out
[11:28] <sapphire> al quaeda is pretty much a cult movement, so it reasons that nearly every member is unstable in some fashion
[11:28] <reticuli> yeah, the way these cells are set up I dont think he has much on them... where did you hear that he ws going to cooperate?
[11:28] <sapphire> msnbc, fox news channel
[11:28] <reticuli> let me check cnn.com
[11:29] <reticuli> ny times has a real short story, not much info
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[11:29] <Ogmios> hello
[11:29] <sapphire> he said something about cooperating will "save his life"
[11:29] <reticuli> hi guys
[11:29] <ukuz> hi
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[11:31] <reticuli> can you send me a reference where he says he will cooperate, I cant find anything on that
[11:33] <sapphire> i don't have any web references to that.  just the statements made by two seperate reporters covering the procedings.  One from Fox news and the other from msnbc
[11:33] <reticuli> hmm, I find that very uncharacteristic of those guys... cooperating with the great satan
[11:34] <sapphire> yes, i suspect he is working some angle
[11:34] <sapphire> info could be false
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[11:50] <reticuli> hello angelic
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[11:55] <reticuli> bbl
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[11:56] <LPM> are you guys chatting on a Thursday?
[11:56] <ukuz> Hi  =)
[11:57] <Angelic> LPM, please check your private msg
[11:57] <Angelic> ?
[11:57] <Angelic> ¿
[11:57] <ukuz> is there something going to happen on thursday?
[11:57] <Angelic> =]
[11:57] <LPM> Isn't today thursday?
[12:00] <Ogmios> where you live
[12:01] <Ogmios> we are chatting every day
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[12:02] <LPM> every day now...  ok
[12:03] <Ogmios> well it has been always like this
[12:03] <Ogmios> atleast a year
[12:03] <LPM> that's about as long as I've been away
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[12:08] <ukuz> :)
[12:10] <sapphire> anyone read the latest posts from Nancy on sci.astro?
[12:11] <Angelic> nancy is a cook
[12:11] <ukuz> the one referencing the last log?
[12:11] <sapphire> kook, you mean
[12:11] <Angelic> kook
[12:11] <Angelic> kookoo
[12:11] <sapphire> the post where she describes and names the "conpirators" against her is a CLASSIC
[12:12] <ukuz> =)
[12:12] <sapphire> i'm going to have to make a special place for it on my site
[12:12] <ukuz> let me guess this place?
[12:12] <ukuz> "Classics"?
[12:12] <ukuz> =)
[12:13] <Angelic> good one sapph
[12:13] <sapphire> hehe, no probably something like "Zeta Mental Meltdown" or some such...
[12:14] <ukuz> ahhh...scifi
[12:14] <sapphire> obiwan...i mean obany will get a kick out of it
[12:14] <ukuz> heh
[12:15] <sapphire> i'll have to find the originator of the word "Tholenized", I think it wasn't Nancy
[12:15] <sapphire> although Nancy has picked it up
[12:16] <ukuz> is that greek?
[12:16] <sapphire> no, comes from David Tholen.
[12:16] <ukuz> looks like he got Liederized...
[12:17] <sapphire> his method of argument has an uncanny ability to frustrate
[12:17] <sapphire> although it does sound like a term from the early Star Trek series
[12:18] <ukuz> was it based on sarcasm?
[12:19] <ukuz> (from Nancy)
[12:20] <sapphire> hard to tell with tholen.  It goes something like this:
[12:20] <sapphire> what conspiracy, Nancy?
[12:20] <sapphire> what coordinates, Nancy?
[12:20] <sapphire> your wrong, Nancy
[12:20] <sapphire> your presuming things again Nancy
[12:21] <sapphire> what blue circle, Nancy?
[12:21] <sapphire> and so on...
[12:21] <sapphire> been going on for years now
[12:21] <sapphire> Tholen never runs out of steam
[12:21] <ukuz> =)
[12:23] <ukuz> Does Nancy work a day job?
[12:23] <ukuz> anybody know?
[12:23] <sapphire> i think not, she answered my email rather quickly yesterday
[12:23] <LPM> I thought she retired a couple of yrs ago
[12:24] <ukuz> i wondered if those emails arent being answered by her helpers...
[12:25] <sapphire> no, it was her.  the style is unmistakable.  I'll post the relevant part in a minute
[12:25] <ukuz> ok
[12:27] <ukuz> the reply i got from her felt as though i was being punished for asking ...
[12:27] <ukuz> :/
[12:27] <LPM> that was the way she made me feel when I asked my first question in 97
[12:28] <sapphire> in my case, i think she knew who i was (my site and such) and decided to get it over quick and short rather than add it to the question que
[12:28] <ukuz> actually it felt more like a slap on the head
[12:28] <sapphire> but emails i sent her back in 95 and 96 were answered by zetas in length
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[12:29] <ukuz> Potts here...(roll another one...)
[12:29] <ukuz> =)
[12:29] <sapphire> in this case, i attempted to allow her to wrap her conspiracy in with Islamic Jihad, etc. but she didn't bite.  She knows who is asking
[12:30] <ukuz> heh
[12:31] <ukuz> that is why i concluded to myself that the Zeta part harder to swallow than PX
[12:33] <LPM> I agree
[12:33] <LPM> what's your site, sapph?
[12:33] <ukuz> excuse the poor sentancing
[12:33] <ukuz> and typo
[12:33] <ukuz> hehe
[12:33] <sapphire> my question:
[12:33] <sapphire> Given the rise in suicide/homicide bombings in Israel. Are the leaders of
[12:33] <sapphire>  Islamic Jihad and Hamas aware in some way of the approaching Pole Shift?
[12:33] <sapphire>  And, are these organizations primarily a STO or STS mechanism in the greater
[12:33] <sapphire>  "scheme" of things?
[12:33] <Pott> LPM: www.skepticalmind.com
[12:34] <sapphire> the reply:
[12:34] <sapphire> Look to the past. Christianity with the Crusades, Ghengis Khan ravaging countries, etc. Things like this happened in the past, so no, they are NOT aware of the PS.
[12:34] <ukuz> is Nancy an athiest?
[12:34] <Angelic> that is a correlation, not a causality sapph
[12:35] <Pott> It would seem apparent that if God is everything and all that would make God neither good evil STS or STO but neutral.
[12:35] <sapphire> angelic: this is Nancy's reply
[12:36] <Angelic> yes well, nancy thrives on making assumptions and innuendos based mostly on correlations
[12:36] <Pott> Orientations are for the spiritually progressing but do not necessarily apply to the spiritually progressed.
[12:37] <sapphire> she ducked the question about the organizations and STS/STO
[12:37] <ukuz> is this a weakness?
[12:37] <sapphire> she didn't state that it was added to the agenda list for the session.
[12:37] <ukuz> or her strength?
[12:37] <Pott> Her weakness was trying to be everything and all.
[12:37] <sapphire> so, i can safely assume that she won't "take the bate" on this one
[12:37] <Pott> Thats impossible for a human as she would say.
[12:38] <Pott> sapphire: It depends on how you bait the hook.
[12:38] <sapphire> pott: she knows my agenda
[12:38] <sapphire> so it won't work
[12:39] <sapphire> i gave it a shot, though
[12:40] <ukuz> what i find hard to listen too is Al Gore...
[12:40] <ukuz> hehe
[12:40] <ukuz> i mean did he really invent the internet, or what?
[12:42] <reticuli> whats the scoop on that... did he really claim that? Or was it a quote that was taken out of context
[12:42] <ukuz> it came out of his mouth, pretty much
[12:43] <ukuz> that was a stunner for the U.S. when it happened
[12:43] <ukuz> hehe
[12:44] <reticuli> well i have heard that to, but I dont always believe quotes that are attributed to people... People say things all the time that is is gossip or distortions
[12:44] <reticuli> can you tell that I like al gore ;)
[12:44] <ukuz> well the general concensus thought he meant that
[12:44] <Pott> AL Gore likes Whore.
[12:44] <ukuz> heh
[12:45] <ukuz> and where did the Zetas float Al gore to?
[12:45] <reticuli> At least Al Gore was prepared to address Global warming. In fact he wrote a book about it when most were still believing that it was a myth
[12:46] <reticuli> thats one of the reasons I like him
[12:46] <ukuz> ok
[12:46] <ukuz> but what about Mars's permafrost recently melting...could it be the sun is the culprit
[12:46] <ukuz> ?
[12:47] <reticuli> of course that is a possibility
[12:47] <reticuli> I think it is
[12:48] <reticuli> but the oil companies are always looking for red herrings. The fact is that the planet has been warming for 10k+ years... the problem is that human activity is acclerating the process and may make it much worse
[12:50] <[3j]> al gore was the one who pushed the internet to where it is today.
[12:50] <ukuz> it just seems like we're only contributing the amount similar to the tip of the iceberg when you take into account events as volcanoes
[12:51] <[3j]> you can thank al gore for being able to be here on irc. without his involvement the internet would of probably never taken off as it did
[12:51] <reticuli> how did he do this 3j?
[12:51] <[3j]> its a shame though that the clintons had to mess around with the economy of it, and caused all that dot com bubble
[12:51] <[3j]> reticuli, read up on gore's work in the tech field
[12:52] <[3j]> think there was an article about it on times.com
[12:52] <[3j]> hey ukuz, is the martian permafrost really melting ?
[12:52] <reticuli> ok, I'll check it out... its just like the US media to blow something out of perspective to ridicule
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[12:53] <[3j]> reticuli, well al gore is the one who blows everything out of proportion with his crazy claims. he even self admited to it during the debates time as he was poking/making fun of himself
[12:54] <reticuli> oh, well your line of reasoning is difficult for me to follow. I thought you were saying that he did indeed have a big role in the poularization of the internet
[12:54] <[3j]> yes he did
[12:55] <[3j]> what, his achievements in the technology fields means that I cant point out his absurd claims?
[12:55] <reticuli> Ok, so did he claim to "invent" the internet?
[12:56] <[3j]> ill try to find the exact date time he said that
[12:56] <reticuli> well the actual quote would be more helpful if you have it
[12:58] <Ogmios> what are dutch ppl celebrating today?
[12:58] <Ogmios> fireworks and stuff
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[13:00] <ukuz> sorry Ret, I shouldnt be so biased
[13:00] <reticuli> about gore?
[13:00] <ukuz> yea
[13:00] <Jeremy> Just read the Russia has set up a new space object tracking post
[13:00] <Jeremy> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/18/russia.tracking.ap/index.html
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[13:01] <reticuli> hey, no prob ukuz... bias is what politics is all about. And Al GOre is so uptight that he is fun to make fun of
[13:01] <ukuz> =)
[13:01] <ukuz> :X
[13:02] <ukuz> yeah but are the Zetas biased against republicans or what?
[13:02] <ukuz> <~~~republican dude
[13:02] <reticuli> with good reason ;)
[13:02] <ukuz> hmmmm
[13:02] <[3j]> hey ukuz, is the martian permafrost really melting ?
[13:02] <ukuz> but you need both to have balance
[13:03] <ukuz> like ying and yang
[13:03] <ukuz> hehe
[13:03] <Jeremy> 3j: yes there is rapid global warming on Mars..
[13:03] <[3j]> interesting
[13:03] <reticuli> now, we just need a truly democratic system in the US, then we would have real political parties, and more than two versions of the same one
[13:03] <[3j]> maybe in a few hundred years mars will be habitable
[13:03] <ukuz> yes it was on the news about a few months ago
[13:03] <ukuz> from nasa
[13:04] <reticuli> two versions of the same political party
[13:04] <ukuz> true ret
[13:05] <Jeremy> 3j: Too bad that Anunnaki wrecked it when they were mining there
[13:05] <ukuz> and we're all on the same side
[13:05] <reticuli> well maybe not, but thats allright
[13:05] <reticuli> we need our differences to be represnted in our political institutions
[13:05] <ukuz> well looking at the overall
[13:06] <reticuli> yes
[13:06] <ukuz> its what makes the diversity happen
[13:06] <sapphire> Anyone here heard Mark Hazlewood on the radio?
[13:07] <ukuz> Plagurism dude guy?
[13:07] <ukuz> hehe
[13:08] <sapphire> right, i was wondering if he really sounded "dumb and slow" as Nancy says.
[13:08] <Jeremy> I heard the Art Bell/Hazlewood interview some time ago
[13:08] <ukuz> i must admit, he was the first guy that got my attention about PX
[13:09] <ukuz> i heard some of that show
[13:09] <Jeremy> Its amazing how much of a resonse he's received when he is blatantly ripped of the essential 2003 message of ZT
[13:10] <Jeremy> resonse=response
[13:10] <[3j]> theres probably much more money to be made from the zetatalk.com info
[13:10] <reticuli> people are probably more comfortable with the messenger
[13:10] <reticuli> than they are with nancy and zetas
[13:11] <ukuz> does he support the Zetas existense?
[13:13] <Jeremy> In the Art Bell interview, Hazlewood even wenst as far to mention a new spirituality that will emerge in the future. I believe he borrowed that notion from ZT as well
[13:13] <reticuli> well those notions are very pedestrian
[13:13] <reticuli> new spirituality in the future
[13:13] <Jeremy> He came across as con artist to me
[13:14] <ukuz> Kathleen Keating said something to that nature also
[13:14] <sapphire> Nancy stated that "massive resources" were behind hazlewood.  I find this laughable.  He sells more books than Nancy, but not MASSIVE amounts
[13:14] <sapphire> lol
[13:14] <[3j]> spiritual awakening in the near future thing does not come exclusively from zetatalk
[13:14] <Jeremy> sapphire: I think Nancy meant the government were backing Hazlewood
[13:15] <sapphire> yeah I know.  But it all comes down to book sales.
[13:16] <ukuz> seems like thats more important thatn geting the info out to the public like a good STO.
[13:16] <Jeremy> I haven't seen ZetaTalk or Hazlewoods 'Blindsided' book in a major bookshop, not even in the USA
[13:16] <reticuli> jeremy, do you think the russian space program knows about px?
[13:17] <Jeremy> reticulli: I think so, and also ZT says that Russia and the US have been tracking PX for a long time now.
[13:18] <sapphire> hazlewood and nancy's books are called "print for order"
[13:18] <sapphire> you'll never see them on shelves
[13:18] <Jeremy> In fact there was some kind of Russian goverment leak that admitted a string of disasters might afflict Russia in 2003
[13:18] <sapphire> unless someone trades one in at a local book xchange
[13:19] <[3j]> you would think that if the zetas are right about usa's disinfo mission, and its mission to trick the people to be dull sheeps, then they would of pushed the whole "asteroid coming" trend that happened a few years ago, much earlier
[13:19] <[3j]> instead that trend started around jupiter/shoemaker
[13:20] <sapphire> 3j: yes, exactly, there have been so many many opportunities.
[13:20] <[3j]> the only thing i can agree on about big brother disinfo is maybe the slow influence about an alien presence (all the alien/ufo movies)
[13:21] <[3j]> in that regard anyway, im sure there was other stuff
[13:21] <reticuli> has anyone seen the sitchin video where he interviews harrington of the US naval observatory http://www.portalmarket.com/alone.html
[13:21] <Jeremy> reticuli: no, I'd like to see that
[13:21] <ukuz> i have the link
[13:21] <reticuli> I want to see it for myself, see what harrington says
[13:21] <[3j]> is the video downloadable?
[13:22] <reticuli> its for sale on amazon
[13:22] <[3j]> hmm $40
[13:22] <Jeremy> Harrington was a highly respected astronomer
[13:22] <ukuz> its a clip
[13:22] <reticuli> send us the link ukuz
[13:23] <ukuz> ok hold on
[13:24] <reticuli> that would almost convince me if he said that px was there in an unambiguous way
[13:24] <ukuz> he did
[13:24] <ukuz> :)
[13:24] <reticuli> well I am a video editor... I want to make sure he didnt say that as a result of editing
[13:24] <reticuli> ;)
[13:25] <Jeremy> Of all the PX researchers, Harrington and Van Flandern came closest to describing its charateristics the way ZT has, apart from the dead twin sun we can't see
[13:25] <reticuli> is px this sun?
[13:25] <Jeremy> no
[13:26] <reticuli> oh, I thought px was suppossed to be a brown dwarf
[13:26] <Jeremy> Harrington and Van Flandern still assumed PX would orbit our Sun
[13:26] <Jeremy> rather than the binary orbit ZT says it has
[13:26] <Pott> All speculation
[13:27] <reticuli> hey pott, this is speculation network =)
[13:27] <Jeremy> You always pop up at the right time Pott :)
[13:27] <reticuli> lol
[13:27] <sapphire> ZT had to come up with binary star explaination...otherwise PX cannot threaten earth
[13:27] <sapphire> logical lie
[13:27] <Pott> hehe
[13:27] <reticuli> explain...
[13:28] <sapphire> in other words, without "nemesis" PX retains its orbital distance from earth...draws no closer
[13:28] <reticuli> nemesis is the other star?
[13:29] <sapphire> yes
[13:29] <Pott> Solar Systems behave on each other a like bubbles in a pond when it's raining.
[13:30] <Angelic> nemesis is that dead star, not to be confused with the death star from star wars
[13:30] <sapphire> the death star would be more of a threat
[13:30] <[3j]> px could also have a very odd orbit only around the sun, that once every x years gets close to the earth..
[13:31] <[3j]> i dont see how nemesis is required to explain px and ps
[13:31] <reticuli> me either
[13:31] <Jeremy> One of the main reasons that compelled astronomers to look for PX was perturbations in the orbits of the outer planets
[13:31] <ukuz> found it
[13:31] <reticuli> cool
[13:32] <Pott> Jeremy: Perhpas that is expected
[13:32] <sapphire> because the story is a crock the way it is now, but without Nemesis is declared a crock much sooner
[13:32] <ukuz> http://xfacts.com/x1.htm
[13:32] <sapphire> Nancy had to streth the limits beyond what the average person knows in astronomy to make this whole thing work
[13:32] <sapphire> stretch, i mean
[13:33] <Jeremy> I myself have no problem in accepting a dark star notion. Also the idea that there may be 'failed' stars out there we can't detect
[13:33] <[3j]> thats why shes got all those claims about laws of the universe that man doesnt understand yet
[13:33] <Angelic> some are refutable by science
[13:34] <Jeremy> Astronomers only assume stars are born through acretion. ZT actually says stars are born suddenly in a big bang, and depending on certain factors, will either ignite or fail to ignite
[13:35] <Jeremy> brb .. getting drink
[13:35] <Pott> In the event of two Galaxies colliding is like a complete reset.
[13:36] <[3j]> birth of stars by accretion is much more believable than instant birth
[13:36] <Pott> In that instance a new Galaxy is created nearly instantly and explodes outwards with billions of new stars.
[13:36] <Jeremy> 3j: why?
[13:36] <[3j]> a big bang in space and all that matter forms into a star?
[13:36] <[3j]> where did the matter come from all of a sudden, and this means we have big bangs within the universe all the time?
[13:37] <Pott> Now as that Galaxy progresses Stars will Super Nova giving birth to Nebulas.
[13:38] <Jeremy> 3j: Yes there are localised big bangs according to ZT, and they occur in cycles when matter is compressed in a rgeion of the universe .. I think from collapsed galaxies
[13:38] <[3j]> maybe new stars, born like the zetas say, is the result of a blackhole in another universe? hehe but thats stretching it
[13:38] <Pott> The interesting thing about nebula's is drifting of the Nebula stars will then have access to material for a certain amount of time then suddenly be cut off as the nebula drifts pass.
[13:38] <Pott> This is what gives such variability in star size.
[13:38] <reticuli> that interview was disappointing, he did not confirm the existence of px
[13:39] <reticuli> as I suspected
[13:39] <ukuz> hmmm
[13:39] <Pott> It is also known that the center of most Galaxies has a mass greater than that of any star.
[13:39] <reticuli> he termed it a hypothesis
[13:40] <reticuli> thats nothing new
[13:40] <Pott> It was found that some Galaxies spit out stars from their center.
[13:40] <Pott> The process of star formation is extensive.
[13:40] <ukuz> Wasnt he going to view it somewhere in australia but died on the way?
[13:41] <Angelic> black holes also spit out 'stuff' from their center
[13:41] <sapphire> At this time the Zetas have decided to shift the earth and surrounding solar system into 4th Density.  As we speak they are conferring with Nancy to determine the optimum time to make this announcement
[13:41] <Pott> A Galaxy is actually a white hole.
[13:41] <sapphire> earth's rendevous with PX has been postponed until 2007
[13:41] <Angelic> haha sapph
[13:41] <sapphire> watch and see
[13:41] <ukuz> whats that mean Sapp?
[13:42] <reticuli> he's making his own zeta predictions ;)
[13:42] <ukuz> ahhhh........
[13:42] <sapphire> that is a close proximation to what is about to occur
[13:42] <ukuz> =)
[13:42] <Angelic> well she can't say that actually because the zetas are not allowed to stop or alter the planet, its also against their ethics, so to speak ;)
[13:42] <Angelic> allter its path that is!
[13:42] <Angelic> alter
[13:42] <Pott> She'll make up some shit
[13:43] <ukuz> but theyre here to do Peace Corp work, right?
[13:43] <[3j]> as if there is really technology that allows that, and as if the inhabitants of px would allow it
[13:43] <sapphire> PX still in original orbit, earth simply phase shifted to 4th density ahead of time
[13:43] <Angelic> they're in "quarantine" ;)
[13:43] <[3j]> if i were niburian id be pissed off to wait another 4 years, especially after waiting 3600!!
[13:43] <sapphire> council of worlds voted on this and agreed
[13:43] <sapphire> because majority of souls on Earth are still undecided
[13:43] <Angelic> 3j, then again, what is 4 years on 3600? ;)
[13:43] <sapphire> and more time is needed given the gravity of this situation
[13:44] <sapphire> and implications for other species on earth and px who have not yet graduated to 4th density
[13:44] <Pott> She could make up any sort of shit like that. Considering she lives in a world of aliens, advanced technology and all that good stuff.
[13:44] <ukuz> sounds like if theyre here to do peace corp work, then why not just stop the PX from happening
[13:45] <sapphire> in the works...
[13:45] <Angelic> sapph, that would be funny if she claims so because with all the wars and fighting going on, the powergames etc. it'd be a miracle if the majority would all of a sudden turn sto
[13:45] <sapphire> right, there is still so much "undecided"
[13:45] <sapphire> more time needed to sort this out
[13:45] <sapphire> hehe
[13:45] <reticuli> this planet sems firmly sts to me
[13:45] <Angelic> :)
[13:46] <Angelic> it'd be a miracle
[13:46] <Angelic> but they seem to happen so now and then every hundreds of years ;)
[13:46] <ukuz> why would someone want to fix the afternath of px when they can avoid the whole situation from happening
[13:46] <ukuz> aftermath
[13:46] <reticuli> the only miracle this place deserves is a death star
[13:46] <sapphire> question is: if Nancy does pull a story out like the one i noted above.  How many of you will follow along?
[13:47] <sapphire> i know obany will
[13:47] <reticuli> I follow no one
[13:47] <Pott> sapphire: You should put that up on your site and call it "Nancy's Future Excuse"
[13:47] <Angelic> Nancy may turn into darth vader ;)
[13:47] <sapphire> i think i will Pott
[13:47] <Jeremy> I'm quite certain we shall know by end of the year
[13:47] <Angelic> sapph, obany will?
[13:48] <sapphire> jeremy: no, you won't know anything more than you do now, because Nancy will have another story
[13:48] <sapphire> angelic: obany will continue to believe in Nancy and her new story
[13:48] <Angelic> she prolly has a couple of different stories ready, depending on the situation the world might be in chosing the most applicable one hehe
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[13:49] <Jeremy> As well as possible amateur sighting in the autumn, by the end of the year we may also experience intensifying earth changes
[13:49] <sapphire> angelic: that's what I'd do
[13:49] <Angelic> sapph, you should ask him/obany
[13:49] <sapphire> i tried to ask him, he says "i cannot think about such things"
[13:49] <Angelic> its a hypothetical question though
[13:49] <sapphire> "and so I will not answer"
[13:50] <sapphire> i told him it was hypothetical.  He couldn't understand.
[13:50] <Angelic> ok
[13:50] <ukuz> no one answered my question...   :(  
[13:50] <Angelic>  ukuz: why would someone want to fix the afternath of px when they can avoid the whole situation from happening
[13:50] <Angelic> 10:39 am:       ukuz: aftermath
[13:50] <sapphire> ukuz: it ain't gonna happen
[13:51] <sapphire> no need to fix something that isn't real
[13:51] <Jeremy> ukuz: are you hinting we can avoid the pole shift by collectively becoming 89% STO?
[13:51] <ukuz> ok, but im just trying to validate the existence of the zetas
[13:52] <[3j]> i wonder why nancy doesnt come in this channel
[13:52] <Angelic> ukuz, it isn't sure if nancy is in contact with zetas
[13:52] <[3j]> and discuss this stuff more often
[13:52] <Angelic> because she is busy ;)
[13:54] <Jeremy> Jason Martell has a poll on his xfacts.com website asking whether your believe PX will be returning in 2003. I just voted (!). Apparently 64% voted 'Yes'
[13:54] * obaway is now known as obany
[13:54] <Pott> Sheesh
[13:54] <ukuz> i understand that, that is why im questioning why the zetas would help after the PS when they i hear they can stop the disasters from hapening
[13:54] <ukuz> i need to learn to type
[13:54] <ukuz> hehe
[13:54] <Angelic> Jason Martell changed his site though recently lol, he had this page on nancy and everything but now he claims its all a "2003 hype"..
[13:55] <sapphire> earth can be shifted to 4th density and then back to 3rd density--Zetas say so.
[13:55] <Angelic> hahaha
[13:55] <sapphire> another possible "out" for Nancy
[13:55] <Angelic> sapph, but they can't shift themselves to 3rd?
[13:56] <sapphire> they claim only STS can't perfect the shifting
[13:56] <Angelic> they say sts live on moonbases in 3rd dens
[13:56] <sapphire> right, but they also say that they often end up "stuck in walls" like philedelphia experiment
[13:56] <Angelic> hi obany :)
[13:57] <sapphire> (darth vador theme plays)
[13:57] <ukuz> =)
[13:57] <Angelic> sapph, right, many contactees have called the police for help getting that zeta stuck in the wall out of their apartment
[13:57] <sapphire> lol
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[13:57] <Angelic> woul make a nice decor
[13:58] <sapphire> lol
[13:58] <Angelic> hi diskcounter
[13:58] <Nol> hi,
[13:58] <Angelic> obany doesn't seem to like to talk?
[13:58] <ukuz> Hi obany  
[13:59] <Nol> Obany are you with us??
[13:59] <Nol> Or just the necessary intervention??
[13:59] <obany> why would i. I guess that most over here are grown up but sometimes .. it's like a bunch of toddlers
[13:59] <Nol> the tight rules by Obany...hehe
[13:59] <Angelic> agrees woth obany
[13:59] <ukuz> hmmm
[13:59] <Angelic> i i i
[14:00] <reticuli> how old angelic?
[14:00] <Angelic> I am 15
[14:00] <ukuz> can i have my cookie now mommy...
[14:00] <ukuz> :)
[14:00] <Nol> Don't be upset...
[14:00] <Jeremy> lol
[14:00] <reticuli> are you male or female?
[14:00] <obany> or did we all forgot the purpose of this channel
[14:00] <Angelic> I am a eunich
[14:00] * obany is only 5 :P
[14:01] <ukuz> Obany: we are just trying to figure this thing out
[14:01] <ukuz> :)
[14:01] <ukuz> (thru discussion)
[14:01] <reticuli> I want motizez to explain himself
[14:02] <[3j]> if we cant have fun.. whats the point
[14:02] <[3j]> besides is irc all about projecting who we are online?
[14:03] <reticuli> hey! I want motivez to project himself
[14:04] <reticuli> speak now!
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[14:04] <[3j]> Motivez has been idle 28hrs 24mins 38secs, signed on Tue Jul 16 05:46:51
[14:04] <[3j]> hes probably afk..
[14:04] <reticuli> afk?
[14:04] <[3j]> Away From Keyboard ?
[14:04] <obany> did i say that we can't make a joke now and then .. but this channel looses it's purpose then what's the use of this channel
[14:05] <reticuli> I agree
[14:05] <Jurian> this channel has not lost its purpose at all
[14:05] <Jurian> sure, most of the time other stuff is discussed
[14:05] <Nol> windmill ideas...
[14:05] <Jurian> so?
[14:05] <Ogmios> i saw motivez when he talked
[14:05] <sapphire> purpose is still alive and well.
[14:05] <[3j]> obany i have yet to see this channel loose it purpose, and i doubt it ever will
[14:05] <Jurian> can't talk about the troubled times ahead all the time
[14:05] <[3j]> lose
[14:05] <Nol> you take a dynamo...
[14:05] <sapphire> angelic: i will not join MJ12...you are on your own
[14:05] <Nol> from your bike...
[14:06] <Jurian> as soon as we decide to make this strictly TT only, THEN it'll die instantly
[14:06] <Angelic> :(
[14:06] <reticuli> this is a ship without a soul, a pack without an alpha male, america without a bush
[14:06] <Nol> hehe
[14:06] <reticuli> or maybe america with a bush
[14:06] <obany> Jurian: okay i know ... but i don't think that we shoulcd have things like namecalling badmouthing etc. We are not a bunch of children here
[14:07] <reticuli> here here
[14:07] <ukuz> alot of the info about the zetas has to be beleived without proof, therefore its natural to question its validity
[14:07] <Pott> The whole site is so stupid.
[14:07] <obany> pott: then why are you here ???
[14:07] <reticuli> I would appreciate stricter rules regarding obsenity
[14:07] <reticuli> lol
[14:07] <Pott> obany: I don'
[14:07] <Jeremy> ukuz: thats a common point people make, but fortuantely we don't have to wait longer for verfication
[14:07] <Pott> have to be a hard believer like you right.
[14:08] <Pott> Sheesh.
[14:08] <reticuli> If you think the channel is stupiod pott, logg off and go out in to the real world
[14:08] <Pott> obany: I don't stick to Nancy's ass like an anal wort.
[14:08] <reticuli> :)
[14:08] <ukuz> i agree with you Jeremy
[14:09] <Jeremy> ;)
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[14:09] * Pott was kicked by ChanServ (come back after the ban is removed (obany))
[14:10] <Angelic> ?
[14:10] <reticuli> I think personal attacks on Nancy (ie obsene comments) should not be allowed here
[14:10] <reticuli> thank you obany
[14:10] <obany> well he was making a personal attack on me in fact
[14:10] <obany> and not a nice one
[14:10] <reticuli> :)
[14:11] <[3j]> dont diss the +o...
[14:11] <Jurian> in that case..
[14:11] <Jurian> !down
[14:11] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Jurian
[14:11] * Jurian doesn't wanna be part of the elite :p
[14:11] * ChanServ sets mode: -b *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp304874.sympatico.ca
[14:12] <Angelic> cool
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[14:12] <[3j]> !up
[14:12] <sapphire> hehe
[14:12] <obany> ehhehe that doens't work
[14:12] <[3j]> hehe
[14:12] <[3j]> !help
[14:12] <[3j]> !say y0 im grimb0t
[14:12] <obany> at least could you say things in a different manner
[14:13] <obany> <Pott> obany: I don't stick to Nancy's ass like an anal wort.
[14:13] <sapphire> grimbot maybe has "secret" commands that will op you, or maybe a hotline to the Zeta high command :)
[14:13] <Jurian> heh
[14:13] <[3j]> imagine if someone said that to your face, the anal wart comment... I would kick/ban them also
[14:13] <ukuz> if all this chaos happens, is the government going to force me to give up my last bag of beans to help pay for taxes
[14:13] <ukuz> ?
[14:14] <[3j]> karate kickban out of the office or something..
[14:14] <reticuli> pott likes to talk aboout Nancy's behind, Go see a professional pott, people get paid to listen to that stuff
[14:14] <ukuz> roll another one!
[14:14] <ukuz> hehe
[14:14] <obany> else it will be like a 60 min ban or so ... instaed of only 2 minuts
[14:14] <[3j]> reticuli its not like nancy ever shows up so people can tell her whatever, and when she is here shes very quick to k/b
[14:15] <reticuli> k/b?
[14:15] <[3j]> kick ban
[14:15] <reticuli> that would be cool :)
[14:15] <obany> at least then say it in someone face, when the person is there .. don't talk behind's someone back
[14:16] <[3j]> !say ?
[14:16] <Angelic> obany nancy is never here
[14:17] <reticuli> cant say that I blame her ;)
[14:17] <Angelic> its not a causality ret
[14:18] <[3j]> well she should come on more often
[14:18] <[3j]> theres always /ignore
[14:18] <obany> and the point that she is never here gives one the right for badmouthing etc.
[14:18] <obany> ?
[14:18] <reticuli> what r u saying angelic... that people make rude comments about nancy becasue she does not grant them an audience
[14:18] <Angelic> she won't, she does not wish to "chitchat" , I guess that is for us ordinary folk to do
[14:18] * ChanServ is bored, anyone want a beer?
[14:18] <Jurian> that'd be nice :D
[14:19] <Angelic> reticuli, no that is what you said.. I say there is no causality at all between the two
[14:19] <Pott> Badmouth whoever whenever
[14:19] <Angelic> and we have the freedom of speech
[14:19] <Jurian> yep! :D
[14:19] <reticuli> how are you certain there is no casuality?
[14:19] <Jurian> woo! stupid porn site just crashed internet exploder!
[14:19] <ukuz> Why cant she give solid proof of the Zetas existence ?
[14:20] <obany> of course we have the freedom of speech .. but doest he freedom of speech also include namecalling and badmouthing
[14:20] <Jurian> yes
[14:20] <obany> Jurian = asshole :P ...
[14:20] <obany> nice huh :P
[14:20] <Nol> Igave the Call to the Zeta's for a Mass sighting in holland....and vote counting... see what happens...
[14:20] <Jurian> nope, but censorship is wrong
[14:20] <reticuli> freedom of speech is not absolute, and it requires civility to exist
[14:20] <reticuli> it is fragile
[14:20] <Angelic> "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use"
[14:21] <Jurian> the only censorship I can live with, is that of kiddy porn
[14:21] <obany> so Jurian if someone would say that you love to stick your head into someone ass ... then you would say hey thank you that's what i love to do daily
[14:21] <Jurian> no
[14:21] <Jeremy> Nol: The populace as a whole in a given area has to be prepared to handle a UFO sighting before a mass sighting can occur
[14:21] <Jurian> of course not
[14:22] <obany> okay then
[14:22] <ukuz> have we gone south here...
[14:22] <ukuz> :)
[14:22] <Jurian> I wouldn't particularly care either really
[14:22] <Jurian> cause I know better
[14:22] <Jurian> insults are only insults if they are true
[14:22] <reticuli> angelic. how are you certain there is no casuality? Would you hang out in a chat room where people were making cruel comments about your motives and physical apperance.
[14:22] <Jurian> otherwise, they're just someone making a fool of themselves :D
[14:22] <Nol>  i give them less than an hour..
[14:22] <reticuli> why would you, unless you got off on that, and maybe she doesnt
[14:23] <obany> Jurian: in that i agree with you ...
[14:23] <obany> nol: it doesn't work that way
[14:23] <Angelic> causality is not casuality, ret
[14:24] <Nol> Camera is rolling..
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[14:24] <reticuli> what?
[14:24] <TheViking> good enening
[14:24] <reticuli> welcome to our humble home
[14:25] <TheViking> :-)  Anybody home?
[14:25] <sapphire> yes, all present and accounted for
[14:25] <ukuz> come in, we're all normal here  :)
[14:25] <ukuz> hehe
[14:25] <TheViking> prove it! :-)
[14:26] <ukuz> @#$%^&*(@
[14:26] <Jeremy> hehe
[14:26] <ukuz> =)
[14:26] <reticuli> angelic, please explain that last comment? Is that a quote from charlie manson ;)
[14:26] <Jeremy> ItGoodnight everyone..
[14:26] <sapphire> ukuz: careful, you might trigger grimbot
[14:26] <Jeremy> oops
[14:26] <ukuz> ok thx
[14:26] <[3j]> angelic who were you quoting?
[14:26] <Jeremy> It's getting late, goodnight everyone..
[14:26] <reticuli> night
[14:26] <reticuli> ta ta
[14:27] <[3j]> bye
[14:27] <ukuz> adios
[14:27] <Jeremy> bye
[14:27] <sapphire> night
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[14:28] <[3j]> quiet all of a sudden :)
[14:28] <TheViking> Looks like I frightened everybody
[14:29] <ukuz> next time knock first
[14:29] <[3j]> good i thought my connection died
[14:29] <Angelic> j3: Soren Kierkegaard
[14:29] <TheViking> :-\
[14:30] <reticuli> Angelic , so you see no connection  between the tone of this room and Nancy's notable absence?
[14:30] <ukuz> seen Nancyl
[14:30] <FunBot> Nancyl was last on IRC channel #ZetaTalk 81 days, 22 hours, 15 minutes ago.
[14:31] <[3j]> if nancy would be present the tone would be different
[14:31] <sapphire> obviously the bot has problems keeping time
[14:31] <sapphire> can't that be fixed
[14:31] <sapphire> ?
[14:31] <[3j]> its a conspiracy by the disinfo agent to slow down time...
[14:31] <reticuli> yes, well I think that goes both ways 3j
[14:32] <Angelic> reticuli, nancy never came in this channel
[14:32] <Angelic> she does not know anyone's opinion in here
[14:32] <[3j]> hehe
[14:32] <Angelic> she cares less
[14:33] <Nol> Did  you ,heard of the spiderweb contrails?
[14:33] <ukuz> does she avoid this channel?
[14:33] <[3j]> she does
[14:33] <sapphire> she knows mine
[14:33] <Nol> chemtrails?
[14:33] <reticuli> she has never come here?
[14:34] <Nol> WHO ARE BEHIND IT?
[14:34] <sapphire> i haven't seen a single contrail in months now
[14:34] <sapphire> because of the hot weather
[14:34] <sapphire> which, of course, proves that they are nothing more than ice crystals which form in cold conditions
[14:34] <Nol> Just 100  people or so?
[14:34] <[3j]> i dont know sapphire
[14:35] <[3j]> one day the sky over here was filled with them
[14:35] <sapphire> i know, in winter here the sky is filled with contrails, then in summer NO CONTRAILS.
[14:35] <reticuli> I was a skeptic until I saw the sky covered with them
[14:35] <[3j]> streaks going in all directions all over the sky, and it looks more like smoke from jet engines
[14:35] <sapphire> they are made of ice crystals
[14:36] <Nol> just testing..??
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[14:36] <[3j]> perhaps the hot air just makes it dissipate faster
[14:36] <sapphire> doesn't even form
[14:36] <ukuz> obany, dont you think Nancy should chat here once in a while?
[14:36] <TheViking> Jet engines don't smoke that high...  them emitt moisture that becomes ice
[14:37] <TheViking> the white stuff
[14:37] <sapphire> exactly
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[14:37] <reticuli> bbl\
[14:39] <ukuz> I mean this is the biggest story ever told to mankind and im sure we all would be honored  :)
[14:39] <Angelic> bbl
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[14:40] <sapphire> everbody is trying to escape.  lock the door.
[14:41] <TheViking> who's got the key?
[14:41] <sapphire> MJ12
[14:43] <Nol> sort of world wide web
[14:43] <sapphire> ukuz: did you say you heard Hazlewood on Art Bell?
[14:43] <ukuz> the later part of the show, yes
[14:43] <sapphire> so, did he seem "dumb and slow" as Nancy says?
[14:43] <[3j]> when was he on art bell?
[14:44] <ukuz> i didnt think so
[14:44] <Nol> Is mark almost at each session undercover?
[14:44] <sapphire> he seemed intelligent?
[14:44] <sapphire> Nol: i hadn't thought of that.  It is possible.
[14:45] <Nol> I am ...
[14:45] <Nol> Nol
[14:45] <Nol> hehe
[14:45] * Looking up Nol user info...
[14:46] <sapphire> yeah, your in Netherlands
[14:46] <ukuz> mark seemed to have a good rapport going on the show
[14:46] <obany> bye
[14:46] <ukuz> wiat
[14:46] <ukuz> wait
[14:46] <Nol> bye
[14:47] <ukuz> dont leave us  here
[14:47] <Nol> hehe
[14:47] <obany> I heard Mark once some time ago on a radio show or so in England .. and he sounded slow to me ..was some months ago
[14:47] <ukuz> he did?
[14:47] <ukuz> interesting
[14:47] <sapphire> damn, I need to hear him...
[14:47] <ukuz> me too
[14:47] <[3j]> obany are you used to hear english?
[14:47] <sapphire> see if he's got a spark of intelligence
[14:48] <sapphire> good question, is obany fluent verbally in English?
[14:49] <obany> if i am used to hear English, well no i am not but i hear it from time to time
[14:49] <obany> sapphire: why do you want to know?
[14:49] <sapphire> just curious, because you are excellent in writing
[14:50] <sapphire> could pass for american
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[14:52] <ukuz> obany, is english your primary language?
[14:52] <obany> it's not a language i speak on a daily basis, but i could say i ain't bad at it
[14:53] <obany> Dutch is my native language, English is what i learned at school and on the internet and so
[14:53] <ukuz> im impressed
[14:53] <ukuz> :)
[14:53] <sapphire> perhaps IRC could be a powerful tool, used to polish foreign language skills
[14:54] <sapphire> worth investigating
[14:54] <[3j]> most europeans are thaught several languages..
[14:54] <ukuz> Obany, Has Nancy had semminars there in Switzerland?
[14:55] <obany> I learned German at school, but i wasn't any good at it
[14:55] <Ogmios> 2 official languages in finland
[14:55] <obany> ukuz: she ain't from Switserland
[14:55] <obany> ukuz: and i live in the Netherlands, not in Switserland that's a whole other country
[14:55] <ukuz> but have you seen her there?
[14:55] <obany> no
[14:55] <ukuz> ok i mean Netherlands
[14:56] <ukuz> sorry
[14:56] <ukuz> :)
[14:57] <ukuz> you'd think she would travel around the globe about this info
[14:57] <obany> it's not that i have a house near the alps, and that i keep cows. And that i have a wive whos'name is heidi :P
[14:57] <ukuz> i mean it does involve the whole world
[14:57] <ukuz> hehe
[14:58] <obany> ukuz: but travelling around the globe is pretty time consuming don't you think
[14:58] <ukuz> perhaps
[14:58] <ukuz> but it would be for a good cause
[14:58] <ukuz> :)
[14:59] <ukuz> think of the amount of people whe could warn
[14:59] <[3j]> what else does nancy do?
[14:59] <[3j]> she got a job?
[14:59] <sapphire> travelling around the globe costs money
[14:59] <ukuz> whe =she
[14:59] <[3j]> she could sell more books
[15:00] <sapphire> books either sell or they don't.  Other than spend more money to promote the book, you don't have much influence
[15:00] <ukuz> Obany, why did the Zetas float Mr. Al Gore?
[15:00] <sapphire> of course, it is the publisher that matters the most
[15:01] <obany> ukuz: it's in the log of saturday, check for yourself :)
[15:01] <ukuz> oh ok
[15:02] <obany> it's mentioned at about the end of the session
[15:02] <ukuz> ok
[15:07] <obany> 3j: you will be able to hear her on saturday also, the 20th ..http://www.mindexcursions.org/  
[15:07] <Nol> Is  the moon hollow per th e zeta's?
[15:08] <obany> no
[15:08] <obany> and neither is the earth
[15:08] <ukuz> did the Zetas say this Nol?
[15:09] <ukuz> (or tell nancy this?)
[15:09] <Nol> I wander why i don't see volcano's on the moon..
[15:09] <obany> ukuz: no, i think he only wanted to know if they said it is hollow
[15:09] <ukuz> ok
[15:09] <Nol> yes
[15:09] <ukuz> i see
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[15:10] <Nol> is there a page about that?
[15:10] <Nol> you know at  the moment..don't search to much
[15:12] <Nol> One of the Orion Planets  is called Zeta
[15:13] <obany> stars nol .. not a planet ... stars
[15:13] <Nol> No , they didn't
[15:13] <Nol> oh stars
[15:14] <Nol> yes that could be ..
[15:14] <Nol> But isf it is a star ...then they can't live on it
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[15:15] <obany> Nol: ther are planet near that contellation, Nol
[15:15] <Nol> Did you ever heard of a vulano on the moon?
[15:15] <Nol> Yes
[15:15] <Nol> i under..
[15:16] <Nol> Maybe px affect their own planet also..
[15:17] <obany> it's not part of our solar system Nol
[15:18] <Nol> In the past hopping after px , to describe his path...they saw hey that planet we are going to name earth
[15:18] <Nol> put some humans on it..
[15:18] <Nol> hehe
[15:18] <obany> nol : check http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w11.htm
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[15:21] <Nol> read it..
[15:22] <Nol> Well, why did they go underground?
[15:22] <Nol> because of poison?
[15:23] <obany> because of the destruction of their planet, still in 3th density at that time
[15:23] <obany> they made a mess out of it
[15:23] <Nol> sort of chemtrails
[15:23] <Nol> ??
[15:23] <ukuz> obany, has there been any other proof besides nancy's telepathic communications that the Zetas really do exist?
[15:24] <reticuli> of course ukuz
[15:24] <ukuz> i'd like to hear some
[15:24] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a02.htm  nol
[15:25] <obany> uzuz: ever heard of Barney and Betty Hill .. ? and some years ago i read a book from a ufo contactee who heard the word zeta reticuli spelled ..
[15:26] <obany> ukuz: in visitors from within channeling from Lysa Royal the Zetas are mentioned too
[15:26] <reticuli> Also, in pale horse by cooper I think
[15:26] <Nol> http://www.bvalphaserver.com/catalog/images/alienlabjar.jpg   this something hehe , i don't know...
[15:27] <[3j]> nol its fake, look at the head
[15:27] <obany> as fake a .... not real
[15:27] <[3j]> dont think the cylinder and the fluid can do that kind of effect, flattening
[15:28] <ukuz> whos Lysa Royal?
[15:28] <ukuz> :)
[15:29] <ukuz> are the zetas communicating with Lysa Royal too?
[15:29] <obany> a channeler: http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a32.htm  
[15:30] <obany> channeling ukuz
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[15:30] <monk> Hi
[15:31] <Nol> hi monk
[15:31] <sapphire> hi
[15:31] <monk> hows it going
[15:31] <obany> ukuz: http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/lyssa-royal.html
[15:31] <ukuz> Obany, i want to know if there has been proof other than channeling or telepathic communications?
[15:31] <ukuz> about the Zetas existence?
[15:31] <obany> ukuz: what type of proof do you want ?
[15:32] <reticuli> Bob lazar mentioned zetan didnt he?
[15:32] <ukuz> how about a photo to start
[15:32] <reticuli> be cafeful what you ask for ukuz, the only kind of proof yopu are liable to get is the kind you wont like
[15:33] <monk> im glad i found the zetatalk webpage now i know why i see auras and orbs
[15:33] <obany> you are thinking about proof now... and your thoughs about it, the intention could be the call
[15:33] <Nol> what are orbs
[15:34] <monk> I dont really know what they are i just see them
[15:34] <Nol> i have seen also some aura things
[15:34] <monk> im trying to understand what they are myself
[15:34] <Nol> It is the color blue/gold green/orange right?
[15:35] <monk> the orbs?
[15:35] <monk> grayish color
[15:35] <Nol> I don't know the word orb..
[15:35] <ukuz> the call? what do you mean obany?
[15:35] <monk> they are cricles that i see all around
[15:35] <sapphire> all the orbs i have seen in photos are white in appearance
[15:35] <reticuli> i sent you the link ukuz
[15:35] <Nol> gray also ..(more magnetic look)
[15:36] <monk> I think they are angels or spirtguides that look after us
[15:36] <sapphire> i have personally known 2 people who can capture images of these things in photos
[15:36] <Nol>  i don't see spirits
[15:36] <monk> I see them everytime i look at the sky :)
[15:37] <sapphire> can you capture in photos?
[15:37] <monk> never tried
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[15:37] <sapphire> some people can, doesn't matter if it is film or digital
[15:38] <monk> well if u look closely at any movies u will see the orbs in the sunlight
[15:38] <reticuli> most orbs are artifacts of the photographic process
[15:38] <sapphire> i think "person" is the factor, not film equipment
[15:38] <ukuz> what about those alien photos supposedly taken at area 51
[15:39] <sapphire> can't speak of that
[15:39] <monk> never seen the alien photo
[15:39] <ukuz> some at artbell's website
[15:40] <monk> oh i seen all of those
[15:40] <ukuz> like the one in that casket thing
[15:40] <obany> a lot of fake pictures on the web, a few years ago .. i guess now it's about the same
[15:40] <ukuz> ?
[15:40] <monk> alot are fake probaly
[15:40] <monk> some are real
[15:41] <sapphire> obany: have you had visitation?
[15:42] <Nol> http://www.artbell.com/img/alienjar.jpg
[15:42] <Nol> zeta?
[15:42] <obany> you mean, like contact,.. Seeing ufos, waking up with scars.. seeing lights etc... i rather don't answer that question over here at this time
[15:43] <obany> nol: FAKE
[15:43] <Nol> hehe
[15:43] <Nol> looks pretty the same , as the one before
[15:43] <monk> looks fake
[15:44] <obany> of course it's fake
[15:44] <monk> cruel to have a alien like that in a test tube
[15:44] <sapphire> monk: "some are real", can you point me to one which is real?
[15:44] <monk> I dont know which ones are real or not i have not personaly seen a alien
[15:45] <Nol> http://www.artbell.com/img/skul3c.gif funny skull ,hehe
[15:46] <Nol> Well , i am going to leave about a moment...
[15:46] <monk> I can show u a real ufo tho
[15:46] <monk> dont think i can find it still tho
[15:46] <Nol> Lazar craft ?
[15:47] <Nol> sportsmodel?
[15:47] <monk> a pariellan craft or how u spell that name
[15:48] <Nol> Well, obany thx for the url's
[15:49] <obany> nol: no thnx
[15:50] <Nol> I am going to leave ... Have a nice stay here on the channel you all.. ,so Bye bye
[15:50] <obany> bye
[15:50] <Nol> Bye
[15:50] <monk> have a good day
[15:51] <monk> god bless ya
[15:51] <Nol> Bye , monk
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[15:52] <cmel> hi
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[15:53] <monk> hi
[15:53] <cmel> hi pott
[15:54] <cmel> ever been to flagstaff
[15:54] <cmel> or Sedona
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[15:56] <monk> is that in oregan ?
[15:56] * obany goes now too goodnight and take care
[15:56] <cmel> noin arizona
[15:56] <monk> goodnight
[15:56] <cmel> night obany
[15:56] <monk> sweet dreams
[15:56] <obany> thnx thanx
[15:56] <monk> I love dreams
[15:56] <ukuz> bye obany
[15:57] <ukuz> next time dont scare me...
[15:57] <ukuz> :(
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[15:57] <cmel> hi angelic
[15:57] * obany is going now .. bye
[15:57] <Angelic> hi :)
[15:57] <obany> teruste angelic
[15:58] <monk> hello angelic
[15:58] <Angelic> take a break, take a bed
[15:58] <Angelic> welterusten g :)
[15:58] <[3j]> helo
[15:58] <cmel> what does welterusten mean
[15:58] <Angelic> hi monk, 3j, cmel :)
[15:58] <obany> have a good rest
[15:58] <Pott> Reinheitsgebot
[15:58] <cmel> hi
[15:58] <Angelic> pott that's german
[15:59] <cmel> renheds et eller andet
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[16:00] <Angelic> ok, if I may suddenly not be here for a number of weeks it might be because my fucking electricity will be cut off, so you all know I won't be assasinated by anyone
[16:00] <Angelic> ;)
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[16:00] <cmel> hehe
[16:01] <Angelic> I try to see something positive in it :)
[16:01] <cmel> :)
[16:01] <Angelic> maybe good test to see how it is without electricity
[16:01] <monk> good thinking
[16:01] <cmel> perhaps
[16:01] <Angelic> hm
[16:02] <Angelic> no freezer, no alarmclock, no computer, no light :(
[16:02] <monk> to bad the government withheld free eletricty or we wouldn't have this problem :(
[16:02] <cmel> I'm seing how it is without tv, all cable signals just went out
[16:02] <Angelic> yes, maybe I should buy me a windmill :)
[16:03] <sapphire> angelic: send all email before power goes out
[16:03] <cmel> :)
[16:03] <Angelic> I might be offline for a couple of weeks
[16:04] <Angelic> the card did not say when they'd come to cut it off
[16:04] <cmel> are you behind on the bills
[16:04] <Angelic> will call them tomorrow anyways
[16:04] <Angelic> yeah
[16:04] <cmel> sorry
[16:04] <Angelic> maybe I can make a deal, again
[16:05] <cmel> lets hope you can
[16:06] <monk> i hope you can to
[16:06] <Angelic> pretty amazing what you can achieve if you can get the direct mobile number of the person who is sent out to cut the elec. off :) last time the office of the elec. provider did not want to make any deal, but then I called him and he did. If he won't this time I'll be off untill I have the dought o pay them.. simple :) I can cope
[16:07] <cmel> but it costs to reopen it :(
[16:08] <sapphire> wow, over here if you don't pay, they just push a couple buttons and you are off.  But, they do make deals...
[16:08] <Angelic> yes it does
[16:08] <Angelic> it also cost to cut it off
[16:08] <cmel> oh no
[16:08] <sapphire> yes, "re-connection fee"
[16:09] <monk> fees everywhere
[16:09] <monk> everything these days have fees
[16:09] <Angelic> the fun is, if they come and I am not here they have to cut it off outside, which will cost 500 euro, when it is done inside (if I am home to let them in) it will cost 70 euro per disconnection (electricity and gas)
[16:10] <cmel> connection fee onnection fee nnection fee and whatever
[16:10] <cmel> strange
[16:13] <sapphire> holy crap, that expensive
[16:13] <cmel> yep
[16:13] <sapphire> if they cut your power here, it is like a 50 euro fee
[16:13] <Angelic> especially for me, I don't have any money to pay the bill anyways, I think its sick
[16:16] <monk> money makes me sick
[16:16] <Angelic> you allergic?
[16:16] <cmel> then give me your money
[16:16] <cmel> hehe
[16:17] <monk> sorry i already gave all my money away almost all
[16:17] <cmel> dammit
[16:17] <Angelic> anyone in here who is rich> :)
[16:17] <cmel> not me
[16:17] <Angelic> hehe
[16:18] <cmel> øv
[16:19] <monk> I wanna go in the mountians and live by myself with no money
[16:19] <monk> i am before planet x comes
[16:19] <Angelic> totally independent, that'd be nice
[16:19] <cmel> me too but, but I have a family
[16:19] <cmel> I can't leave
[16:22] <Angelic> I have no family, but can't leave anyways
[16:22] <cmel> why
[16:22] <Angelic> I am not allowed to leave the country if I have debts here, unless I'd make some perfect pay-off arrangement I guess
[16:22] <monk> never say you cant anything is possible
[16:23] <cmel> you can leave, just as I can
[16:23] <monk> what country you live in ?
[16:23] <Angelic> yes I can go, but the police will seek me to arrest me
[16:23] <monk> I live in the united states
[16:23] <cmel> me denmark
[16:23] <reticuli> are you in prison angelic
[16:23] <reticuli> ?
[16:23] <Angelic> I live in the Netherlands
[16:24] <reticuli> is that a yes or no ;)
[16:24] <sapphire> you have a passport, angelic?
[16:24] <cmel> haha
[16:24] <Angelic> no I have an identitycard
[16:24] <Angelic> I can be tracked
[16:24] <Angelic> anyways
[16:24] <monk> that sucks
[16:24] <cmel> and a zapper, when you try to cross the border, you get zapped
[16:25] <sapphire> if you have cash, you can leave and go to Canada.
[16:25] <Angelic> haha
[16:25] <[3j]> leave where?
[16:25] <cmel> hehe
[16:25] <Angelic> canada?
[16:25] <sapphire> Canada will except you.
[16:25] <[3j]> what about it
[16:25] <[3j]> canada will
[16:25] <sapphire> but you have to pay someone to take you there
[16:25] <reticuli> r u a prisoner angelic?
[16:25] <monk> cant do much without money
[16:25] <[3j]> you can always be a stoaway
[16:25] <Angelic> if I could pay for a trip to canada I'd be amazed if I'd use the money to go there unstead of paying my bills :) and solve the problem that way
[16:26] <cmel> I dont believe you cant leave
[16:26] <reticuli> your only 15!
[16:26] <Angelic> no I am not
[16:26] <sapphire> right, but just a possible if you want to leave netherlands
[16:26] <reticuli> how much do you owe!
[16:26] <[3j]> yeah customs wont let you in if your < 18
[16:26] <Angelic> how much?
[16:26] <Angelic> lets see have to make a calculation
[16:27] <monk> my grandama owes 56,000$ us .. shes gonna go bankrupcy
[16:27] <reticuli> a rough figure is good enough
[16:27] <[3j]> 1 + 1.... + 2
[16:27] <[3j]> ya a rough figure
[16:27] <cmel> that calc is gonna take long
[16:27] <[3j]> the suspense
[16:28] <[3j]> drivin me mad
[16:28] <Angelic> 2500 give or take, (electricity, water, rent and tuff).. this does not include the loan i got
[16:28] <monk> Most of the world is in debt thats how they like it
[16:28] <Angelic> which is over 5000
[16:28] <cmel> 5000 $ ???
[16:28] <sapphire> ok, so you owe less than 10000 euro?
[16:29] <cmel> or 500 euro
[16:29] <cmel> 5000
[16:29] <Angelic> yes, but for someone who doesn't have an income at the moment (hopefully next week this changes as there are several crappy jobs on the horizon)
[16:29] <cmel> btw isn't there a euro symbol
[16:30] <sapphire> good question
[16:30] <reticuli> well, how in the world does a 15 year old owe that much
[16:30] <[3j]> weren you going to take that dildo job angelic?
[16:30] <[3j]> dildo or but plug shipping ?
[16:30] <[3j]> hehe
[16:30] <Angelic> ¤ 5000 + 2500
[16:30] <cmel> hehe
[16:30] <[3j]> might of not been angelic who said that..
[16:30] <sapphire> if you had credit, this amount would be a joke...
[16:31] <Angelic> nah, they found me to highly educated, would not be good to put me with the people who did that work.. fucking shit.. I heard there were nice looking dumb surinam women working there who only talked sex all day, damn!
[16:31] <reticuli> why do you $5000 angekic?
[16:32] <Angelic> ¤
[16:32] <reticuli> I dont speak your symbol language
[16:32] <Angelic> 5000 is a loan from way back
[16:32] <reticuli> what did you ned the money for?
[16:32] <[3j]> why are you asking such personal questions
[16:32] <Angelic> education,, computer
[16:32] <cmel> a PC I guess
[16:32] <sapphire> if you are highly educucated and can speak that way, you will be able to get out of this.  Land a new job, etc.
[16:33] <sapphire> when push comes to shove
[16:33] <Angelic> well, sapph, show me a company interested in paying my trip and other expenses and I'll move almost instantly
[16:33] <[3j]> angelic post your cv on monster.com
[16:34] <sapphire> i don't even know what you do
[16:34] <cmel> sounds nice sap. .... he
[16:34] <Angelic> I am a webdesigner, not much work in that right now
[16:34] <[3j]> right, but there is work for ppl proficient in graphics
[16:34] <cmel> so am I :(
[16:35] <sapphire> mmmm, yes in US that is a trick one.  Lot of people, and a shrinking amount of work
[16:35] <Angelic> 3j true but that is DTP
[16:35] <[3j]> you could also bid on jobs at rentacoder.com or elance.com, etc
[16:35] <[3j]> DTP?
[16:35] <Angelic> desktop publishing
[16:35] <[3j]> ah.. i dunno all those fancy terms :)
[16:35] <cmel> thats mac work
[16:35] <Angelic> is requires special knowledge of certain software packages which I do not own
[16:35] <sapphire> your ability to talk will get you the furthest
[16:35] <sapphire> in my experience
[16:36] <monk> in the us our money is droping in value
[16:36] <monk> fast!
[16:36] <[3j]> well i had a friend who just printed the adobe and macromedia logo on his card, and thats how he claimed he knew what he was using :)
[16:36] <cmel> liar
[16:36] <[3j]> its true
[16:36] <cmel> I dont doubt that
[16:37] <monk> not so great of a logo
[16:37] <[3j]> well its like adding MSCE or RHCE
[16:37] <cmel> or AA
[16:37] <cmel> hehe
[16:37] <[3j]> right
[16:38] <Angelic> anyways, if I am not here for a couple of weeks, you'll now know why. The situation isn't hopeless but I am tied to it for the coming weeks :/
[16:38] <[3j]> if your gone? because of aliens ?
[16:38] <Angelic> mayebe 2 months even who knows
[16:38] <cmel> hes on a trip ... hehe
[16:39] <[3j]> i wish aliens would abduct me
[16:39] <Angelic> you dream of anal probes?
[16:39] <[3j]> i'd steal the controls to there mothership ...
[16:39] <[3j]> well hey if thats what it takes.
[16:39] <cmel> don't wish for that
[16:39] <Angelic> lol
[16:39] <cmel> haha
[16:39] <[3j]> anal probes vs control of alien ship !!
[16:39] <cmel> we got it
[16:40] <monk> evil aliens will abuct u and u wont like it
[16:40] <monk> lol
[16:42] <[3j]> elance/rentacoder.com is actually good place to sell your web/graph skills..
[16:44] <Angelic> elance asks a fee
[16:44] <[3j]> yeah it does
[16:44] <Angelic> it seems
[16:44] <Angelic> :/
[16:44] <[3j]> i think its $300 US
[16:44] <[3j]> but there are other places like that
[16:45] <Angelic> they are so wrong in asking that, they should just ask a certain percentage from the pay when one gets payed
[16:45] <[3j]> i think they do that too :)
[16:45] <Angelic> oh that is extra?
[16:45] <[3j]> i believe so
[16:45] <cmel> just 4 u
[16:45] <monk> lol of course they do
[16:45] <[3j]> i've only bought services from them
[16:46] <[3j]> which is free of fees..
[16:46] <cmel> so a real feebee
[16:46] <cmel> hehe
[16:47] <[3j]> well its easy to get work there
[16:47] <Angelic> 3j, next time I can do a job for you ;)
[16:47] <[3j]> some people have scripts that automaticly bid for them, look at this guys profile: http://www.elance.com/c/fp/main/viewprofile.pl?view_person=MichiganDesigners&type=seller&catid=10223
[16:47] <[3j]> about 45K in less than a year
[16:49] <[3j]> hehe just some ideas
[16:49] <[3j]> wouldnt want to hear you went bankrupt or something
[16:50] <Angelic> yes, ok thnx :) now I need the $300 to get into that site and participate
[16:50] <Angelic> :)
[16:51] <cmel> then think anal ...
[16:51] <cmel> hehe
[16:51] <Angelic> ?
[16:51] <cmel> get a spot on the street
[16:51] <Angelic> and take yours away? :)
[16:51] <cmel> no just beside me
[16:51] <cmel> hehe
[16:52] <Angelic> hehe no thnx somehow this isn't a goal of mine
[16:52] <cmel> ok
[16:52] <cmel> :)
[16:52] <Angelic> things will come when I work on them
[16:52] <monk> "If YOU can create MONEY out of thin air, I can make the Stock Market rise... OR fall! Just like my smoke!
[16:53] <Angelic> smoke has the tendency to rise doesn't it?
[16:53] <cmel> you can make SMOKE fall ????
[16:53] <[3j]> "think and grow rich" get that book to learn how hehe
[16:53] <cmel> you have a book on making smoke fall
[16:53] <monk> wasn't my qoute just copied it heh
[16:54] <cmel> hehe
[16:54] <[3j]> no making $ out of thin air
[16:54] <monk> thats what they do make money out of thin air
[16:54] <[3j]> doesnt work often though
[16:54] <[3j]> who is they ?
[16:54] <cmel> everybody can't do that ....
[16:54] <monk> bankers...
[16:54] <[3j]> and are they watching?
[16:55] <[3j]> money :(
[16:55] <monk> I wish i could counterfiet money i would give some to angelic
[16:55] <Angelic> lol
[16:55] <cmel> don't have to monk, just give your money to angelic
[16:56] <Angelic> he already gave his away
[16:56] <cmel> I myself have no money
[16:56] <monk> i have 60 us dollars
[16:56] <monk> Thats all
[16:56] <cmel> I have -60 $
[16:56] <Angelic> I lived on that once for a month
[16:57] <Angelic> somehow made me loose some weight
[16:57] <cmel> hehe
[16:57] <monk> anyone know how us dollars and euro are matched?
[16:57] <cmel> I could go cry in the social-services office
[16:57] <[3j]> 1 - 1 i think monk
[16:57] <cmel> close
[16:57] <[3j]> just the other day they were equal..
[16:57] <monk> yea i think euro passed the dollar
[16:58] <cmel> you think .... I don't .... but close
[16:58] <[3j]> http://quote.yahoo.com/m3?u  current rates
[16:58] <Angelic> <--- going to social service tomorrw
[16:59] <[3j]> <-- remembers that he doesnt live in socialistic country
[16:59] <cmel> that would be an idea
[16:59] <monk> wow euro is kicking dollars ass
[16:59] <[3j]> euro is worth 99 us cents !
[16:59] <cmel> well dollar is dropping
[16:59] <Angelic> I should have done that 3 weeks ago but the fucking idiot at the job-agency told me it would be of no use.. now I found out he was wrong by making some calls.. the bastard hehe
[16:59] <cmel> hehe
[17:00] <cmel> he was butt f..... u
[17:00] <monk> why cant we all just have a world currency
[17:00] <[3j]> f..... u
[17:00] <cmel> it's comming monk
[17:00] <[3j]> trying to fill the dots ..
[17:00] <cmel> hehe
[17:00] <Angelic> connect the dots?
[17:00] <monk> yea i know its coming quick
[17:01] <Angelic> south america uses dollar
[17:01] <cmel> a 100 years or so
[17:01] <monk> more like the next 5 years
[17:01] <Angelic> dollar is dropping in value quickly
[17:01] <[3j]> if its still better than canadian and mexican $ i'm glad with it
[17:02] <monk> who knows which comany will be bankrupt next
[17:02] <monk> company
[17:02] <cmel> US inc. ???
[17:02] <monk> yes
[17:02] <[3j]> call up the dems and ask
[17:02] <monk> seems like every week theres a new one on the news that lie about their profits
[17:02] <monk> america sucks
[17:03] <cmel> sounds right (or is that wrong)
[17:03] <[3j]> america rocks ..
[17:03] <[3j]> monk, where you from?
[17:03] <cmel> I'm in between
[17:03] <monk> california
[17:03] <monk> USA
[17:03] <cmel> hehe
[17:03] <reticuli> do you go by monk?
[17:03] <cmel> unpatriotic
[17:04] <cmel> haha
[17:04] <Ogmios> this new home security stuff sounds like nazi to me
[17:04] <monk> not really
[17:04] <Ogmios> homeland
[17:04] <monk> my names michael
[17:04] <Angelic> george?
[17:04] <cmel> hehe
[17:04] <monk> well after 9-11 im not patriotic anymore
[17:04] <cmel> now you'r getting dizzed
[17:04] <cmel> monk
[17:04] <monk> huh?
[17:05] <[3j]> after 9-11 i didnt think there was anyone that was unpatriotic..
[17:05] <[3j]> every house around here had there flags up
[17:05] <[3j]> every car got flag stickers
[17:05] <[3j]> dunno if it was the same in cali
[17:05] <monk> yes i seen people with flags on almost 1 out of 5 cars probaly and houses
[17:06] <monk> it all stoped all of a sudden
[17:06] <[3j]> well its less now
[17:06] <[3j]> yeah
[17:06] <monk> i havn't seen a flag on a car for a while
[17:06] <cmel> and do you agree with that ?? monk
[17:07] <monk> all the flags that were on houses are gone
[17:07] <sapphire> ok, going to bed now.  Conversation was excellent.
[17:07] <Angelic> I think this world needs a revolution, not a fucking false promise of a renaisance by some nitwit politician, president or economic advisor
[17:07] <cmel> why thx
[17:07] <cmel> yes I agree ang.
[17:08] <Angelic> g'nite :)
[17:08] <[3j]> this world needs something that everyone can aspire too together
[17:08] <Ogmios> if no px well..police states and WW3
[17:08] <[3j]> without having to fight over it etc
[17:08] <cmel> but how to make that happen
[17:08] <monk> "New World Order"
[17:08] <[3j]> mass communication
[17:09] <[3j]> and a really convincing sales ad
[17:09] <cmel> don't say that NWO, I hate that term
[17:09] <monk> One World Order then
[17:09] <cmel> it has a bitter taste to it
[17:09] <cmel> ok monk
[17:10] <monk> its coming if we like it or not
[17:10] <cmel> but the key word should be everyone is equal
[17:10] <cmel> words
[17:10] <reticuli> how old are you monk?
[17:10] <monk> 18
[17:11] <cmel> how young
[17:11] <reticuli> freah meat
[17:11] <Angelic> one particular element necessary for the one world order is the globalisation ongoing, economic collapse which will be used as a basis to introduce a one world currency (virtual money/plastic), one world means of identity..
[17:11] <monk> well i would wish we would all be equal
[17:11] <[3j]> thats a good idea, but would allowing a crack/heroin addict that is unproductive be equal to someone who provides to the society?
[17:11] <cmel> yes and he/she should be
[17:12] <monk> yes that person would be equal
[17:12] <cmel> it's much easier to handle
[17:12] <[3j]> i dont know, id prefer for people like that to be just thrown into a furnace
[17:13] <[3j]> for a one world order to work that is
[17:13] <cmel> ok, not a forgiving person
[17:13] <monk> Im a kind of person who helps others at least i try
[17:14] <cmel> I would like to think I do as well
[17:14] <[3j]> im just saying that someone who doesnt do nothing will be taking from society... when society is maintained by all of those who provide for it
[17:14] <[3j]> its not really fair
[17:15] <cmel> it hasn't something to do with contributing, there has to be room to be ill
[17:16] <cmel> at least thats my opinion
[17:16] <[3j]> yes your right, having treatment for the ill would be an option
[17:16] <cmel> and a crackhead is ill in my opinion
[17:16] <monk> i would help the crackhead
[17:16] <[3j]> i concur
[17:17] <cmel> then we all agree
[17:17] <cmel> I guess
[17:17] <[3j]> well if the treatment works
[17:17] <[3j]> the helping a crackhead part
[17:18] <[3j]> replace crackhead with whatever
[17:18] <monk> well im going to eat
[17:18] <cmel> well the working guys would have to work on it I guess ...
[17:18] <monk> bye everyone
[17:18] <cmel> k monk
[17:18] <[3j]> bye
[17:19] <[3j]> one world order would never happen though
[17:19] <cmel> you don't think
[17:19] <monk> lol look at the events today were leading to it
[17:19] <[3j]> as long as people in power wish only to get stronger and higher, no
[17:20] <[3j]> a police one world order, thats another thing..
[17:20] <cmel> well it seems some ppl in power wants that NWO badly
[17:20] <monk> negative aliens
[17:20] <Motivez> DARN THOse negative aliens
[17:20] * Motivez is away, ! [log:OFF] [page:OFF]
[17:20] <[3j]> yeah but i think they just want it so they can get richer
[17:21] <[3j]> negative aliens
[17:21] <cmel> yes I thought so too
[17:21] <monk> they offer the people in charge power and money
[17:21] <cmel> money = power
[17:21] <[3j]> we need star trek replicator technology :)
[17:21] <cmel> they want to be rulers
[17:21] <monk> most of the leaders are just pawns and dont even know the real agenda
[17:21] <cmel> :)
[17:22] <cmel> perhaps
[17:22] <[3j]> " State Department e-mails have accused Rep. Dan Burton and Bush administration officials of neo-Nazism...  "
[17:23] <[3j]> http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020718-174815.htm    
[17:23] <[3j]> forgot who was saying that USA is becoming nazi..
[17:23] <[3j]> but theres some news :)
[17:23] <cmel> who said US was BECOMING nazi ???
[17:23] <cmel> hehe
[17:24] <[3j]> ill check logs
[17:24] <monk> bush is doing the same thing the nazis were doing
[17:24] <cmel> hes not nice to say the least
[17:24] <monk> i agree
[17:25] <cmel> I dislike him (it) to say the least
[17:25] <monk> 9-11 i was listening to the radio first person they blamed was bin laden
[17:25] <Ogmios> cia trained terrorist
[17:26] <Ogmios> a patsy