Session Start: Fri Jul 19 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
[00:00] <cmel> yes crack has entered the country
[00:00] <SnookPoon> They used to just put aside a section of the city and tell the hrd core giys don't come out of this area high and that was it
[00:00] <cmel> and that is a problem
[00:00] <SnookPoon> hard
[00:00] <SnookPoon> guys
[00:01] <cmel> dammit
[00:01] <SnookPoon> Crack is a different story
[00:01] <SnookPoon> They use that here to lock up all the blacks for a long time
[00:02] <[3j]> war on drugs is so hypocritical
[00:02] <cmel> it's the best "keep you'r customer" drug, in history
[00:02] <[3j]> if anyone was serious about war on drugs: they would of droped some napalm on the cocaine fields
[00:02] <cmel> yes they do, and they do it effectively
[00:02] <SnookPoon> It's a legal form of birth control and keeps them in the gettos
[00:02] <cmel> yes 3j
[00:02] <cmel> yes snook
[00:03] <cmel> I agree totally
[00:04] <SnookPoon> They will never do that because there are to many in the US military, CIA, INS, and FBI that make money off the drug trade
[00:04] <[3j]> yeah
[00:04] <cmel> I agree whenever wherever whyever evenever
[00:04] <[3j]> well it just goes to show
[00:04] <cmel> yes it does
[00:04] <[3j]> and all the help to the afghan warlords (ie poppy field owners) ?
[00:05] <[3j]> the taliban was against poppy growth...
[00:05] <cmel> read Opium
[00:05] <SnookPoon> That quick easy cash is to enticing to make it legal
[00:05] <[3j]> so wheres the war on drugs priortiy
[00:05] <[3j]> yeah poppy - opium - heroin
[00:05] <cmel> nowhere
[00:05] <cmel> :(
[00:06] <cmel> I dislike what is happening to the world right now
[00:06] <SnookPoon> If they made drug legal here and said go at it. They could tax it and kill off all the undesireables but the supply would junmp way up and the demand way down
[00:06] <SnookPoon> The they would loose control
[00:06] <SnookPoon> and profits
[00:06] <[3j]> i would oppose legalizing any hard drugs
[00:07] <cmel> they don't want that
[00:07] <[3j]> cocaine/heroine has just too many detrimental effects
[00:07] <cmel> but 3j it would kill a lot of problems
[00:07] <SnookPoon> Yeah, but that's not going to stop someone who wants to do it
[00:07] <SnookPoon> People who want to will!
[00:08] <SnookPoon> People who don't won't
[00:08] <cmel> yeah but then ppl wouldn't have to steal for a living
[00:08] <SnookPoon> NO stealing/ car jacking/shooting to get drug money
[00:08] <[3j]> yeah your right
[00:09] <[3j]> people will always look for the way to exit reality
[00:09] <SnookPoon> No!!! It would be cheap
[00:09] <[3j]> thats what drugs are really, a way to leave the world for a while
[00:09] <SnookPoon> Yep
[00:09] <[3j]> maybe if the problem can be found where people WISH to stay then that would solve it
[00:10] <[3j]> like i said, we need star trek replicators
[00:10] <cmel> and they have a test-project in switzerland, where they give drugs to addicts, and guess what they stop stealing
[00:10] <[3j]> hehe free drugs whos got time to steal! :)
[00:10] <SnookPoon> You know cemel....You guys have been doing it for years
[00:10] <cmel> hehe
[00:10] <cmel> 3j
[00:11] <cmel> and snook
[00:11] <cmel> you r funny
[00:11] <SnookPoon> I was there before crack and ther was no drug problem
[00:11] <SnookPoon> at all
[00:11] <cmel> no I hear you
[00:12] <SnookPoon> No stealing for drugs
[00:12] <cmel> when there is no drugs available then no prob.
[00:12] <SnookPoon> Here they will shoot you rather than look at you
[00:13] <cmel> but thats the same as saying when there is no mony available .....
[00:13] <cmel> money
[00:13] <SnookPoon> Aooowh!!! another skeeter got me!
[00:13] <cmel> hehe .... sorry
[00:14] * cmel smiles friendly to SnooPoon
[00:14] <SnookPoon> If you are addicted there doesn't the goverment give you free drugs
[00:14] * cmel smiles firendly to SnookPoon
[00:14] <cmel> no they don't
[00:15] <SnookPoon> I thought they did
[00:15] <cmel> sorry I can't get it right
[00:15] <cmel> :)
[00:15] <[3j]> must be a test program
[00:15] <cmel> not even in .nl
[00:15] <[3j]> in holland they give free needles dont they
[00:15] <SnookPoon> Don't they pay for all the power and heat in that part of Copenhagen
[00:16] <cmel> yes if you are an addict allready
[00:16] <SnookPoon> Oh, OK
[00:16] <[3j]> you mean welfare snook?
[00:16] <cmel> what part of cph
[00:16] <SnookPoon> Well it's a socailist state ther I think, kinda
[00:16] <SnookPoon> there
[00:17] <cmel> they pay for me if thats what you mean
[00:17] <[3j]> yeah socialist! there all commies!!!
[00:17] <SnookPoon> NO, NO,
[00:17] <cmel> if thats what u mean, then I like commies
[00:17] <SnookPoon> Not communist
[00:17] <[3j]> hehe
[00:17] <cmel> hehe
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[00:17] <cmel> no hard feelings
[00:17] <[3j]> im from canada and its socialist....
[00:17] <SnookPoon> Not welfare
[00:18] <[3j]> and my wife thinks of it as if it was communist :)
[00:18] <SnookPoon> Yeah, like Canada
[00:18] <[3j]> took a while to get it straight
[00:18] <[3j]> fear the power of USA propoganda
[00:18] <SnookPoon> Canada, has free healthcare
[00:18] <cmel> I like Canada too
[00:18] <cmel> thats good can.
[00:18] <[3j]> yeah canadian healthcare going down the drain... 2-4 hours emergency wait, 4-6 months wait for regular appointments
[00:19] <cmel> what bout. u USA ???
[00:19] <[3j]> USA no healthcare!
[00:19] <cmel> sorry
[00:19] <SnookPoon> All the Canadaian snow birds come down here every winter and they all come to go see the doctor
[00:19] <cmel> hehe
[00:19] <SnookPoon> They have to wait 6 months just to get a CAT scan
[00:20] <SnookPoon> in Canada
[00:20] <cmel> but what about a DOG scan
[00:20] <[3j]> cant do that
[00:20] <cmel> hehe
[00:20] <[3j]> hehe
[00:20] <cmel> sorry had to write
[00:20] <SnookPoon> LOL
[00:21] <cmel> wish we could speak together
[00:22] <cmel> but then again
[00:22] <SnookPoon> There is good and bad behind every system ther just needs to be a logical persuavive system put in place
[00:22] <cmel> yes snookpoon, u r right
[00:22] <cmel> thats called an expert system
[00:23] <SnookPoon> One where people that need help can get it for free and it becomes very painful for them not to go in the right direction
[00:23] <SnookPoon> One without corruption
[00:23] <cmel> they get zapped ??
[00:23] <SnookPoon> zzzzzzz
[00:23] <cmel> zzzzzzap
[00:23] <cmel> ouch
[00:24] <cmel> but i dont like buch zzzzzzaap
[00:24] <cmel> bush
[00:24] <cmel> but i really zzzaaap
[00:24] <cmel> dont zapp
[00:24] <SnookPoon> What about Gore? he's part of MK12 and is STO big time!
[00:24] <cmel> but I wish him well zapp
[00:25] <cmel> I dont know that snookp...
[00:25] <cmel> zaaapp
[00:25] <cmel> ouch
[00:25] <SnookPoon> That's what Nancy said this week
[00:26] <cmel> yes she said ..... and I laughed :)
[00:26] <SnookPoon> I did too
[00:26] * tallboy1 has left #Troubled_Times
[00:27] <cmel> so the tallguy left
[00:27] <SnookPoon> !seen tallboy1
[00:27] <grimbot> tallboy1 (~tallboy_7@ronstephens.wireless.tstar.net) was last seen parting #ZetaTalk only 14 seconds ago stating "{}".
[00:27] <cmel> !seen PX
[00:27] <grimbot> cmel, I don't remember seeing px.
[00:27] <SnookPoon> !seen NancyL
[00:27] <grimbot> NancyL (zetatalk@65-171-106-83.baraboo.com) was last seen quitting from #ZetaTalk 5 days, 8 hours, 23 minutes ago stating (Leaving).
[00:28] <cmel> heard NL though
[00:28] <SnookPoon> !seen MaximumD
[00:28] <grimbot> SnookPoon, I don't remember seeing maximumd.
[00:29] <cmel> or at least someone that claimed to be NL
[00:29] * mob has joined #Troubled_Times
[00:29] <cmel> hi mob
[00:29] <SnookPoon> What time is it over ther cmel?
[00:29] <mob> hi all
[00:29] <SnookPoon> Hey!
[00:29] <mob> first time here and first time to irc chat
[00:29] <cmel> 9.30
[00:30] <SnookPoon> AM?
[00:30] <cmel> am if u will
[00:30] <cmel> hehe
[00:30] <mob> forgive me if I seem a little new to the whole thing
[00:30] <cmel> u'r forgiven
[00:30] <SnookPoon> Yeah, that's right six hours difference
[00:30] <cmel> yep
[00:30] <mob> is the troubled times room always open ??
[00:30] <SnookPoon> Just jump right in
[00:31] <cmel> yes it is
[00:31] <SnookPoon> Yep
[00:31] <mob> and what is the air of the room  if I might ask?
[00:31] <SnookPoon> cmel: you at work now?
[00:31] <cmel> and snookpoon is allways here (just kidding)
[00:31] <cmel> nope
[00:31] <SnookPoon> haha
[00:31] <cmel> I'm home
[00:31] <cmel> hehe
[00:32] <mob> do all here have the assumption that all that is talked about on zeta is in fact correct?
[00:32] <SnookPoon> Are the markets open ther yet?
[00:32] <SnookPoon> there
[00:32] <mob> or is there room for debate?
[00:32] <SnookPoon> Sure
[00:32] <cmel> no mob, that is not a correct assumption
[00:33] <cmel> so snook shut up
[00:33] <cmel> hehe
[00:33] <cmel> :)
[00:33] <mob> so there is room for debate?
[00:33] <SnookPoon> I have my doubts, but much of it makes me think
[00:33] <cmel> it's here
[00:33] <mob> indeed mnuch makes me think as well.
[00:33] <cmel> and snook know it
[00:34] <cmel> snook sorry
[00:34] <mob> anyone here hear of the 'new'gravitation detection device recently implemented
[00:34] <mob> makes me wonder why
[00:34] <cmel> where was that ???
[00:34] <SnookPoon> no..
[00:34] <mob> I would have to do some research... was in the papers here in oregon actually
[00:34] <SnookPoon> By who
[00:35] <cmel> you don't like my apology
[00:35] <mob> I was not in the frame of mind to be gathering info
[00:35] <SnookPoon> me?
[00:35] <cmel> yes snook
[00:35] <mob> if you do a search in the oregonian I beleive you should find the article
[00:35] <SnookPoon> What's here?
[00:35] <mob> within the last couple weeks or so
[00:36] <cmel> k snook, i accept
[00:36] <mob> how bout the information regarding weather modification in texas
[00:36] <mob> anyone care to comment about that?
[00:36] * cmel smiles back to SnookPoon
[00:36] <SnookPoon> In theory you could not create and effective gravitional measuremnt device unless you were way outside our solar system
[00:36] <mob> quite the snafu in as far as it seems to have generated a bit of flooding
[00:37] <cmel> yes I've heard of that
[00:37] <mob> shall I do a search for you snook
[00:37] <cmel> mob
[00:37] <mob> seem to me it was in fact two seperate facilities that were located quite a distance apart
[00:37] <SnookPoon> What are you sorry for cmel?
[00:37] * cmel shakes hands with mob
[00:38] <SnookPoon> sure .
[00:38] <cmel> kidding too much with u
[00:38] <mob> infact cmel I have the web addresses should you care to peruse the web pages directly
[00:38] <cmel> k mob where is it
[00:38] <SnookPoon> Ohhh..I'm not thin skined cmel. You didn't offend me
[00:38] <mob> did you know that it would seem that texas actually has laws about weather modification?
[00:39] <mob> you want the link?
[00:39] <cmel> glad to hear that snook
[00:39] <SnookPoon> Sure post them
[00:39] <mob> might take a minute as I am quite new to the whole irc thing
[00:39] <SnookPoon> Post it all
[00:39] <cmel> yes
[00:39] <mob> is there a way I can send you a file?
[00:39] <SnookPoon> Where are you inTX mob?
[00:39] <mob> hang on
[00:39] <mob> let me look
[00:39] <cmel> yes there is but u can also send a link
[00:40] <mob> I saved the file on my hard drive in case they changed the web page ....
[00:40] <cmel> k mob
[00:40] <mob> hang on let me see if I can load the web page
[00:40] <SnookPoon> Allright
[00:41] <cmel> do you have mirc
[00:41] <cmel> ?
[00:41] <SnookPoon> no comment
[00:41] <cmel> then you go to the dcc men
[00:41] <cmel> menu
[00:41] <SnookPoon> and?
[00:42] <cmel> send a pic
[00:42] <cmel> snook
[00:42] <cmel> send a link
[00:42] <cmel> hehe
[00:42] <SnookPoon> Ohhh Ok, I wasn't sure where you were going with that one
[00:42] <cmel> haha
[00:43] <cmel> mob have u found it ???
[00:43] <mob> okay heres the link if it works right... not sure it is the same one as I save but close enough...  if you loook further you will see that they have actually enacted laws regarding weather manipulation  ..  http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weathermod.htm
[00:43] <SnookPoon> cmel are you in Copenhagen?
[00:44] <cmel> yes I am snook
[00:44] <mob> if you can't get there from there let me know
[00:44] <cmel> just a sec
[00:44] <SnookPoon> looking....
[00:44] <mob> I don't know if I am doing it right
[00:44] <mob> it is the texas department of licensing
[00:44] <SnookPoon> what a trip!
[00:44] <mob> seems to me like a major investigation is in the works
[00:45] <mob> so... im not crazy?
[00:45] <SnookPoon> What do you mean?
[00:45] <mob> as in class action lawsuits
[00:46] <SnookPoon> In Texas everyone sues evryone even Oprah!
[00:46] <SnookPoon> Sue me because of the wheather
[00:46] <SnookPoon> Sue me beacuse of mas cow diesase
[00:46] <SnookPoon> disease
[00:46] <cmel> mad
[00:46] <mob> somewhere in the webpage I believe I did indeed read that there was no çonclusive'proof that the flooding that happened was a direct effect of the ongoing weather modification project that was indeed in operation at the time
[00:47] <SnookPoon> yep thanks
[00:47] <mob> I don't really care one way or the other
[00:47] <mob> I am in Oregon territory
[00:47] <cmel> np
[00:47] <SnookPoon> Weather... that's how you spell it
[00:47] <SnookPoon> Why do you think they got that huge flood recently
[00:48] <cmel> hehe
[00:48] <SnookPoon> Could seeding!
[00:48] <cmel> back
[00:48] <SnookPoon> Run amuck
[00:48] <mob> but I do find it interesting that while one group of supposed govt denies any such thing another openly proclaims it on thier website and actually has enacted laws about it
[00:48] <cmel> yeah well ths life
[00:48] <cmel> thats
[00:49] <cmel> snook you know about it
[00:49] <mob> excuse any typos .. not use to the new keyboard mostly
[00:49] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I dabble in the market every day and there is OUTRIGHT Fed and cenrtral bank manipulation every day!
[00:49] <mob> lol cloud seeding
[00:49] <cmel> excuse my typos my keyboard is m$
[00:49] <cmel> hehe
[00:50] <SnookPoon> Mine too
[00:50] <mob> you mean gold prices are held down artificially?
[00:50] <mob> lol
[00:50] <cmel> oh that explains it
[00:50] <SnookPoon> along with WinSux
[00:50] <mob> why dable with pirates
[00:50] <SnookPoon> It always puts in extra characters
[00:50] <cmel> haha
[00:51] <cmel> but of cour$e
[00:51] <mob> well its been fun
[00:51] <cmel> you'r leaving
[00:51] <mob> but I get the impression that the room is sorta occupied
[00:51] <SnookPoon> I push the PAGE DOWN key and my CD Drive opens
[00:51] <cmel> no
[00:52] <cmel> hehe
[00:52] <cmel> stay plz
[00:52] <mob> I'm not interfering in a click?
[00:52] <cmel> no u r not
[00:52] <SnookPoon> Noooo not at all
[00:52] <mob> I would love to meet others interested in opening the doors to repression
[00:52] <cmel> everyone the stays enriches the channel
[00:53] <mob> I live my life pretty simple
[00:53] <cmel> that
[00:53] <SnookPoon> So how dod you propose that that be done?
[00:53] <SnookPoon> do
[00:53] <mob> live without lies
[00:53] <mob> of course
[00:53] <SnookPoon> I wish
[00:53] <mob> not really simple actually
[00:53] <cmel> then stay and learn
[00:53] <mob> quite revolutionary
[00:53] <cmel> how
[00:53] <mob> but simple in concept
[00:53] <mob> hang on.
[00:54] <cmel> yes I know
[00:54] <mob> brb
[00:54] <SnookPoon> Revolution is always ugly
[00:54] <cmel> snook u made it happen
[00:54] <SnookPoon> hows that?
[00:55] <cmel> u scared him away
[00:55] <cmel> hehe
[00:55] <SnookPoon> I guess so
[00:55] <cmel> not me
[00:55] <cmel> ;)
[00:55] <SnookPoon> or he's just taking a leak or burbing or something
[00:56] <SnookPoon> burping
[00:56] <mob> okay
[00:56] * cmel looks at SnookPoon, and shrugs
[00:56] <mob> had to take care of something
[00:56] <mob> please understand I have only been on irc for about 30 minutes
[00:56] <cmel> welcome back mob
[00:56] <SnookPoon> So how do you propose to open the doors?
[00:57] <mob> my partners father has had some major health problems and will be leaving shortly
[00:57] <SnookPoon> It's no different than any other forum just instant messages
[00:57] <SnookPoon> for the after life?
[00:57] <mob> so I have decided to install the irc program knowing I will have some time to toy with it
[00:57] <cmel> mob sorry to hear that
[00:58] <mob> yes it is quite a process?
[00:58] <SnookPoon> Yeah, not a good thing!
[00:58] <mob> I myself am not sure how to handle it
[00:59] <SnookPoon> the morning process?
[00:59] <cmel> mob, if u have any q's just ask
[00:59] <mob> but my partner knows me for quite sometime
[00:59] <mob> tis okay
[00:59] <cmel> yes it is
[00:59] <mob> please realize that tonight I might not be able to succinctly relate my veiws on things.
[01:00] <SnookPoon> Death is always difficult to deal with
[01:00] <mob> after I learn this irc thing I will be happy to get back to you on anything that anyone might have a question on.
[01:00] <mob> it hasn't happened yet snook but I fear it will be soon
[01:01] <mob> I actually don't quite relate too well to the whole death thing.
[01:01] <mob> it is quite hard for me
[01:01] <cmel> but you'r views on politics and ??? would be nice
[01:02] <SnookPoon> It takes time but to work throogh things but life is here to live and I think that is a lesson death teaches us
[01:02] <mob> If one really believes in the spiritual nature of life ... why is death such a problem?
[01:02] <mob> If I live forever regardless of my death, and I actually believe that?  Why is it a problem?
[01:03] <mob> Needless to say I am not much of a friend when it comes to consuling my loved ones.
[01:03] <mob> Kinda of drag.,
[01:03] <cmel> because death is an end to life and you dont get to do much about that
[01:03] <mob> so?
[01:03] <SnookPoon> It's jsu kind of like when you know you won't see a loved one or friend or the best analogy would be when your wife leaves with the kids and you live far away and everyone cries
[01:03] <mob> don't you live ?
[01:04] <mob> I don't see it that way
[01:04] <mob> I am only here for a moment
[01:04] <SnookPoon> You know you will see that person again it just might be awile
[01:04] <cmel> yes me too
[01:04] <mob> when I pass it is time
[01:04] <mob> don't mourn me
[01:04] <cmel> we just dojnt know when its time
[01:05] <cmel> -j
[01:05] <mob> and if you do then you should have appreciated the time I was here!
[01:05] <cmel> yes something like that
[01:05] <mob> the time to appreciate those you love is NOW
[01:05] <mob> and don't forget
[01:05] <mob> time holds no regrets
[01:05] <cmel> yes
[01:06] <mob> why is that so hard?
[01:06] <cmel> I agree
[01:06] <cmel> I think so too
[01:06] <mob> why do so many of my close friends look at me like I am somehow mentally retarded?
[01:07] <mob> I don't know how to relate in the way that I seem to be expected to relate
[01:07] <cmel> I dont know, why ??
[01:07] <mob> it seems crazy!
[01:07] <cmel> heehehehe
[01:07] <mob> like I care really
[01:07] <cmel> sorry MOB
[01:07] <mob> nothing to be sorry about cmel
[01:07] <SnookPoon>  I think most people are sad because they feel that they won't bea bale to share the good times with that person anymore
[01:07] <cmel> k mob
[01:07] <mob> one of the indicators of sanity in the world so far as I am concerned -
[01:08] <mob> if people think your completely sane
[01:08] <cmel> that they wont be.............. what
[01:08] <mob> you must be craze
[01:08] <mob> crazy
[01:08] <mob> that is
[01:08] <cmel> snook
[01:09] <SnookPoon> Yeah, Life has a funny way of throwing curve balls at you
[01:09] <mob> in other words if being normal is sane your better off being unnormal
[01:09] <mob> yeah.
[01:09] <SnookPoon> Families that have the perfect life always have the biggest skelatons in the closet
[01:09] <mob> I have actually gotten a lot more deap into the conversation than I intended to
[01:10] <cmel> but isn't that good ???
[01:10] <SnookPoon> I agree to some extent
[01:10] <mob> are you all in the room a lot?
[01:10] <SnookPoon> sometimes
[01:10] <cmel> well lately I have been
[01:11] <mob> I would prefer to converse when I am not under stress.
[01:11] <SnookPoon> What brings you here mob?
[01:11] <mob> lol snook
[01:11] <cmel> are u under stress ????
[01:11] <mob> let me ask you  ...  what brings you here snook?
[01:11] <mob> indeed cmel
[01:11] <mob> not a good night
[01:12] <SnookPoon> Well, I first listened to Nancy on the Art Bell show
[01:12] <cmel> I'm not under stress
[01:12] <mob> I hope I have not put off negative energy to you all.
[01:12] <SnookPoon> She got my attention
[01:12] <mob> I have strived not too.
[01:12] <cmel> me too
[01:12] <SnookPoon> I read through ZETATALK and a lot of it made sense to me
[01:13] <cmel> anyone of u heard of the latest AB sho
[01:13] <cmel> show
[01:13] <mob> I find it hard not to be under stress at times in this world, but I do think I normally do a pretty good job of it
[01:13] <cmel> thats ok mob
[01:13] <mob> if at anytime I stress you out just let me know Nd I will strive to rectify the situation.
[01:14] <cmel> you will have to try VERY hard
[01:14] <cmel> to stress us out
[01:14] <mob> I have never heard nancy talk
[01:14] <mob> you amy be suprised cmel
[01:14] <SnookPoon> Anyway, the more I checked into Nancy's predictions and listened to her ZT: The more she really sounds nuts to me. At least she comes across that way3
[01:14] <cmel> I have a few files that you should hear'
[01:15] <mob> it may work the other way actually
[01:15] <SnookPoon> Yeah, That's the trouble
[01:15] <mob> I strive to keep an open mind
[01:15] <SnookPoon> Sometimes the crazy person is the one that is right
[01:16] <SnookPoon> and just made to look crazy in order to cover up
[01:16] <mob> my main interest is in finding out about the world and life in generaly
[01:16] <cmel> sometimes shes the snook that is wrong
[01:16] <cmel> hehe
[01:16] <mob> not like I am sucked into anyone interest
[01:17] <mob> any contridictions would be greatly appreciated
[01:17] <cmel> just hit me right back
[01:17] <cmel> snook
[01:17] <SnookPoon> yep
[01:17] <cmel> sorry
[01:17] <SnookPoon> for what?
[01:17] <mob> what I do find interesting is the depth of the website
[01:17] <cmel> I hit you in the face
[01:18] <SnookPoon> That got me as well
[01:18] <mob> I do find it hard to believe that one person would be able to come up with that depth of informatikon
[01:18] <SnookPoon> She has put an enourmose amount of energy into it
[01:18] <cmel> ÿes mob ..... me too
[01:18] <mob> any information that would remedy that would be usefull
[01:18] <SnookPoon> Granted it's been over 8 years
[01:19] <mob> she must be a genius then
[01:19] <mob> I am quite gifted as well
[01:19] <cmel> you can put a lot of energy into that site over 8 years
[01:19] <mob> but I could not do that
[01:19] <SnookPoon> At what?
[01:19] <mob> lol
[01:19] <mob> 8 years is indeed a long time
[01:20] <cmel> yes it is
[01:20] <SnookPoon> There are many things in there that just ring true to me
[01:20] <mob> has anyone sought to contridict any of the factual information provided on the website?
[01:20] <cmel> to me too snook
[01:20] <cmel> a lot of ppl has
[01:21] <mob> what if the site is mostly right?
[01:21] <SnookPoon> Then there are many others that just make me ill feeling when I read them.
[01:21] <cmel> thats my problem
[01:21] <mob> have  you strived to ascertain wether or not  there is a 12th planet?
[01:21] <cmel> i think it's mostly true
[01:21] <mob> sitchin says there is
[01:21] <mob> and he bases his info on relics of time gone by
[01:22] <cmel> yes but sitchin also say that it's not arriving soon
[01:22] <SnookPoon> Not ill because I'm afraid...Ill because I don't think she is even logically sane when I read it
[01:22] <mob> at a time in human history when man suddenly obtained math
[01:23] <mob> perhaps he said that because that was what they wanted to hear
[01:23] <mob> don't rock the boat!
[01:23] <cmel> perhaps
[01:23] <cmel> I don't know
[01:23] <mob> if the event was to happen soon
[01:24] <mob> could you see a reason to let the masses die off?
[01:24] <cmel> he would not rock the boat
[01:24] <SnookPoon> Then there are things like the evidence of a tropical climate in Siberia
[01:24] <mob> when I look at events and postulate about the reasons, I tend to question who it benifits.
[01:24] <cmel> yes and thats strange
[01:25] <SnookPoon> I know that is true and there are no logical explination from the establishment
[01:25] <SnookPoon> Me as well
[01:25] <cmel> no there isn't
[01:25] <SnookPoon> No? Waht?
[01:25] <cmel> no logic
[01:25] <mob> perhaps they are striving to ignore as long as possible and in the meanwhile bunkeer down
[01:25] <SnookPoon> Ohh yes
[01:26] <cmel> yes I think so
[01:26] <SnookPoon> She has the market pegged!
[01:26] <SnookPoon> It's going much farther down
[01:26] <mob> seems to me like the best idea is to network with like minded individuals and prepare
[01:26] <SnookPoon> from here
[01:27] <mob> I have to go for now
[01:27] <mob> I will be back
[01:27] <cmel> she has  realestatate in that area
[01:27] <mob> for now peace to you all
[01:27] <SnookPoon> Good talking with you
[01:27] <cmel> bye
[01:27] <mob> tis time to make prepare
[01:28] <cmel> preparations
[01:28] <mob> I hope to network with those that realize that
[01:28] <SnookPoon> I have to go too cmel my fingers are about to fall off
[01:28] <mob> my email address is martakashi@earthlink.net
[01:28] <cmel> go with peace
[01:28] <mob> peace all
[01:28] <SnookPoon> snookpoon @yahoo.com
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[01:29] <cmel> masters of money ???
[01:29] <cmel> MOB
[01:29] <SnookPoon> Is that it?
[01:30] <cmel> I dont know but it could have been a probe
[01:30] <SnookPoon> You think so
[01:30] <cmel> heck I don't think so
[01:30] <cmel> mob is my friend
[01:31] <cmel> what do you think
[01:31] <cmel> ?
[01:31] <SnookPoon> I don't know
[01:31] <cmel> really ???
[01:31] <SnookPoon> The way people chage identies on here fifty times and play around I could believe anything
[01:32] <cmel> me too snook
[01:32] <SnookPoon> You never know
[01:32] <cmel> u've heard NL on AB lately
[01:33] <cmel> ?
[01:33] <SnookPoon> Yeah
[01:33] <cmel> what did you think
[01:33] <SnookPoon> She was on about a month ago
[01:33] <cmel> yep
[01:33] <SnookPoon> She sounded reasonable
[01:33] <cmel> yeah ... a good performance  ????
[01:34] <SnookPoon> She was having all kinds of trouble with her phone line and most of the show was about rying to
[01:34] <SnookPoon> get her on a better line
[01:34] <SnookPoon> It took to much away from her message
[01:34] <cmel> yes but did'nt succed
[01:35] <cmel> sorry
[01:36] <SnookPoon> Art Bell has  been playing outakes of her talking about humans being genictically engineered and having no hair tonight
[01:36] <cmel> I have it on file if u like ?
[01:36] <cmel> k snook
[01:36] <SnookPoon> No, I remember it all
[01:36] <SnookPoon> It's all on zetatalk to
[01:36] <SnookPoon> thanks though
[01:36] <cmel> I'm listening to it all
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[01:36] <cmel> right now
[01:37] <cmel> hie mim
[01:37] <SnookPoon> You can go to Jeff Renese and listen to old shows there as well
[01:37] <cmel> ok
[01:37] <cmel> snook
[01:37] <SnookPoon> yep
[01:38] <cmel> rense.com I know
[01:38] <SnookPoon> yeah
[01:38] <cmel> but old artbellshows
[01:38] <cmel> ?
[01:38] <SnookPoon> YOU HAVE TO PAY$$$$
[01:38] <cmel> ye$$$$$
[01:39] <SnookPoon> Scumbag
[01:39] <cmel> bitch
[01:39] <cmel> hehe
[01:39] <SnookPoon> Art Bell
[01:39] <cmel> I guess hehas to live too
[01:39] <SnookPoon> Streaming for cash....A loosing business model
[01:40] <cmel> the last firm I worked for was a loosing business too
[01:40] <SnookPoon> I have to go cmel...I have to get up in the AM
[01:40] <cmel> and I knew it too from the beginning
[01:40] <SnookPoon> Yuo in the puter business?
[01:41] <cmel> web
[01:41] <cmel> se yea snook
[01:41] <SnookPoon> development
[01:41] <cmel> yes
[01:41] <SnookPoon> pages and sites or the nuts and bolts?
[01:42] <cmel> pages and sites
[01:42] <cmel> bye
[01:42] <SnookPoon> You will never be in need of a job!
[01:42] <cmel> but of course I will
[01:42] <SnookPoon> Not here in the US
[01:43] <cmel> but in EU I will
[01:43] <cmel> :)
[01:43] <SnookPoon> Sorry
[01:43] <cmel> me too
[01:43] <cmel> later Dude
[01:43] <SnookPoon> Talk to you later cmel
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[01:43] <cmel> yes later
[01:43] <SnookPoon> bye
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[03:51] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
[03:52] <obany> hi
[03:53] <sirgrim> hi
[03:54] <obany> anything to mention or to talk about ?
[03:54] <sirgrim> nope
[03:54] * obany neither
[03:54] <sirgrim> doin my wagd backups and shiat
[03:55] <obany> ah
[03:57] <obany> http://www.headliner.nl/headliner.php?c=us&id=49407&abbr=ap  points to an article about the glacier melt in Alaska
[03:58] <obany> WASHINGTON -- Alaska's major glaciers are eroding so rapidly that researchers estimate they are losing 24 cubic miles of ice each year, adding to the steady rise in global sea level.
[03:59] <obany> anyway brb
[04:17] <obany> back
[04:24] <sirgrim> k
[04:27] <sirgrim> chex dis
[04:27] <sirgrim> http://wagd.com/ircstats/ZetaTalk.php
[04:28] <obany> uuh for wich days is this ?
[04:30] <obany> ah i see
[04:31] <obany> at the end of the week most people
[04:32] <sirgrim> yea
[04:33] <sirgrim> just started having it generate those yesterday
[04:36] <obany> saturday will be the busiest day i think
[04:37] <sirgrim> yea
[04:37] <sirgrim> makes sense =P
[04:38] <obany> and maybe sunday more people will look for this channel and for #zetatalk, as she will be on the radio saturday on a Canadian station
[04:39] <sirgrim> o
[04:39] <sirgrim> want me to have him start generating for TT?
[04:39] <obany> maybe a good idea, as this channel is the most used one, during the week
[04:40] <sirgrim> don't see as much need for it, but ok hehe
[04:40] <sirgrim> u just like my purdy graphs
[04:43] <obany> ehehhehe :) i know it's not that important... as wit or withouth those stats people will join anyway
[04:43] * obany is going to eat now
[04:44] <sirgrim> ok
[04:44] <sirgrim> http://www.wagd.com/ircstats/
[04:46] <sirgrim> just started generating 'em, so there's nothing really in the tt yet
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[04:55] <sirgrim> converting that cool nibiru movie divx to shockwave so i can stream it on the main page
[04:55] <sirgrim> =P
[04:57] <sirgrim> well just see how big this makes it
[04:58] <sirgrim> 11M divx wonder how big the .swf will be
[04:58] <sirgrim> see about converting divx movies to swf for special streaming productions hehe
[05:05] <obany> you know, i found a realvideo streaming file for that movie
[05:09] <obany> http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=179506
[05:10] <sirgrim> yea
[05:10] <sirgrim> but i've already got it convered to flash
[05:10] <sirgrim> from 11m to 4.9m
[05:10] <sirgrim> real video sux
[05:13] <obany> okay
[05:24] <obany> it's a good movie i think that one ... with the music and the messages
[05:25] <sirgrim> yea
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[05:28] <Angelic> <---- gaat zo naar sociale dienst :/
[05:30] <obany> Nog niks anders gevonden dan ?
[05:31] <Angelic> een buro gaat pompstations hieri n de buurt bellen vanwege mijn ervaring, en heeft maandag zowieso iets voor me maar dan moet ik in de metaalbewerking :( een ander probeerd contact te krijgen met de bleomenveiling maar dat schiet niet op, weer een ander kijkt voor magazijnswerk maar daar hoor ik vandaag of maandag meer over.. maarja, voordat je weet ben ik weer 1 week verder zonder geld.. dus
[05:33] <obany> Ik snap het, en je zit toch met je betalingen etc. En met je eten etc
[05:33] <Angelic> btw. mijn electriciteit word afgesloten binnenkort, waarschijnlijk ma. of di.totdat ik ze 721 euro heb betaald en dan komen de kosten voor afsluiting en heraansluiting ook nog bij.. dus dan ben ik een tijd offline
[05:33] <obany> Minder
[05:33] <Angelic> ja
[05:34] <Angelic> ik bel ze als ik zo weet thuis ben, ik moet eerst naar de sociale dienst en buro voor rechtshulp
[05:34] <Angelic> sociale d. is open op vrijdag, weet jij dat?
[05:34] <obany> En er valt niks te regelen met de NUON of zo ?. Buro voor rechtshulp is goed idee
[05:35] <obany> of ze open zijn ik denk het wel, hier in Katwijk is er een ochtend regeling weet natuurlijk niet hoe het in jouw woonplaat is
[05:35] <Angelic> het is dichtbij ik ga kijken meestal kan het tot 1500 uur dus.
[05:36] <obany> http://www.zaanstad.nl/functies/pagfunctie.cfm?parameter=40
[05:36] <Angelic> dus ik ga nu ff dan spreek ik je later wel :) anyways, in de aftertime hebben we ook geen electriciteit, ben benieuwd als ik word afgesloten hoe dat is
[05:37] <obany> daar staat telefoonnummer op ook op die pagina die ik je net gaf
[05:38] <obany> spreek je later wel ...
[05:39] <Angelic> ah, net gebeld
[05:39] <Angelic> tot 1600 uur
[05:40] <obany> hoop dat het goed komt, en dat er wat te regelen is
[05:40] <Angelic> nou het enige dat ik erg zou vinden van geen electriciteit is geen ijskast en geen wekker en geen computer om die opdracht voor exact op te doen
[05:41] <obany> dat snap ik ... Wanneer gaat dat eigenlijk van start dan dat van exact als ik vragen mag ?
[05:42] <Angelic> ze moeten mijn schetsen bekijken, dan maak ik een offerte, daarna gaat het pas in als de offerte is goedgekeurd :/ nog enkele weken op zijn minst, en voordat ik betaald krijg tja duurd nog langer dus
[05:45] <obany> ik snap het
[05:48] <obany> brb
[05:57] <obany> back
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[05:58] <Angelic> k
[05:58] <Pott> supz0rus ?
[05:58] <Angelic> heb even mijn haar gewassen, moet drogen nu
[05:59] <Pott> nu drogen even heb haar.
[05:59] <Angelic> ja pcies
[05:59] <obany> ehehehhe
[05:59] <Pott> What did I say ?
[05:59] <Pott> Hhehe
[05:59] <Angelic> just dry it now i have hair
[06:00] <Angelic> that is what you said in some strange fashion :)
[06:00] <Pott> HEHE
[06:04] <Angelic> obany ik zit eraan te denken zo een nieuwe type imac te kopen op leasebedrag van 74 per maand en om het ding dan meteen weer te verkopen want dan kan ik met dat bedrag al mijn schulden betalen
[06:04] <Angelic> en die afbetaling is verspreid over een periode van 5 jaar ;)
[06:05] <obany> aha, je bedoeld een emac ??
[06:05] <Angelic> imac
[06:05] <Pott> Verspreid een van met zo leasebedrag bedoeld.
[06:05] <Angelic> die met tft beeldscherm
[06:05] <Pott> WHat does that mean?
[06:05] <Angelic> apple.com
[06:05] <obany> angelic: ah ik weet al welke je bedoeld
[06:05] <obany> die witte
[06:05] <Angelic> ja die verkoopt goed op internet
[06:06] <Pott> Funky ass language ;)
[06:06] <Angelic> dan heb ik wel 74 euro elke maand te betalen maar dat is nog altijd minder dan de bedragen die ik nu uit mijn mouw zou moeten schudden komt toch op ruim 2300 euro neer
[06:06] <Pott> Is that a tounge twister or what?
[06:07] <obany> No, pott.. That's Dutch :P
[06:07] <Angelic> hehe Pott, let's see, you said: spread an off such a leaseamount meant
[06:08] <Angelic> hey maar obany, tegen de tijd dat de nieuwe rekeningen binnenkomen heb ik weer werk, want ma/di zou gek moeten lopen als ik dan nog steeds niets heb
[06:08] <Angelic> denk datik dat maar doe met die imac
[06:09] <Angelic> eerst een ad plaatsen ;)
[06:09] <obany> :)
[06:09] <Angelic> daarna kopen hehe, als ik tevreden ben met het bedrag
[06:09] <obany> dat snap ik
[06:09] <Pott> Angelic: The pressure must be extraordinary to learn English.
[06:10] <Pott> Unfortunatly us English bastards don't bother to learn any other language.
[06:16] <Angelic> no, english is the easiest language thus far
[06:18] <obany> Angelic: right. And the dutch language is difficult for foreign people to learn
[06:18] <Angelic>  very so ye
[06:18] <obany> The grammar is difficult
[06:19] <Angelic> ok, Ik ga nu, ben later terug om het nuon te bellen als dat niet bij het buro voor rechtshulp gebeurd
[06:19] <Angelic> <------------------ gone
[06:19] <obany> okay ... mischien dat buro voor rechtshulp wat kan regelen er zijn buros ook voor dat soort dingen betalingen etc.
[06:20] <obany> okay laters
[06:20] <obany> ben na 4en weg.... half 5 beginnen
[06:35] <cmel-away> hhe
[06:35] <Pott> SO let me ask
[06:35] <Pott> Whats's everyone's favorite beer?
[06:36] <cmel-away> its my geburts tag me kommen
[06:36] <cmel-away> just kidding
[06:37] * cmel-away smiles
[06:37] <Pott> So what beer cmel
[06:37] <cmel-away> Tuborg or Heineken
[06:37] <Pott> Heineken is good
[06:37] <Pott> Ever try Becks?
[06:38] <cmel-away> I can allmost read dutch and understand
[06:38] <cmel-away> no never tried becks
[06:38] <Pott> Becks is alright.
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[06:39] <Pott> Personally I believe most Canadian beers are absolute garbage.
[06:39] <Pott> Little traditions too few awards.
[06:39] <cmel> well are they, there must be someone that knows hopw
[06:39] <cmel> how
[06:40] <Pott> I tend to drink imports only =)
[06:41] <cmel> :)
[06:41] <cmel> ok
[06:42] <Pott> There are a few decent ones like MGD (Miller Genuine Draft) they are damn serious about brewing beer ;)
[06:42] <cmel> hehe
[06:42] <Pott> The quality shows.
[06:42] <cmel> q = cost
[06:42] <cmel> ?
[06:43] <Pott> Partially =)
[06:44] <cmel> they think too much of themselves ???
[06:45] <Pott> They just market a good beer hehe
[06:46] <cmel> hehe
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[06:51] * obany goes now bye laters
[06:51] <[3j]> later
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[07:39] <Pott> BEEEEEEEEEEEEER
[07:40] <cmel-away> øøølll
[07:50] <cmel-away> go go Armstrong
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[07:55] <Nol> hi, folks
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[07:58] <cmel-away> hi
[07:58] <Jeremy> hello
[07:58] <Nol> hi
[07:58] <Jeremy> hello Nol
[07:59] <Nol> Hello Jeremy
[07:59] <cmel-away> go go Armstrong
[07:59] <Pott> www.heatherxxx.com <---- Slutty Slutty girl
[08:00] <Jeremy> yipee, it's Friday
[08:01] <Nol> cheers flks
[08:01] <cmel-away> woohoo
[08:01] <Pott> Nasty
[08:01] <Pott> I just wanted to update my horny friends. I have two new videos made especially for you. In one I let a friend cum in my ass and the other I fulfill my long time fantasy of sucking cock fresh out of my ass (mmm it was so nasty). I'm trying to put together a gangbang to put up on my site. Keep the dirty e-mail cumming.
[08:01] <Nol> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx317.htm   
[08:01] <cmel-away> haha
[08:02] <Nol> The Ramala books ..
[08:02] <Nol> That connection was probally ..... also made..
[08:03] <Nol> So, i was wandering.... there was nothing about the Ramala books...
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[08:03] <Jeremy> Hi caz
[08:03] <Nol> But it is also on line .. in a certain way
[08:03] <caz> hi jeremy
[08:03] <Nol> hi caz
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[08:04] <caz> hi Nol
[08:04] <caz> what's going on today?
[08:05] <Jeremy> Not a great deal, though a few new stunning crop circles were reported in England yesterday
[08:05] <caz> have you seen pics of them?
[08:05] <Jeremy> http://cropcircleconnector.com/2002/windmillhill/windmillhill2002a.html
[08:06] <Nol> nice one thx
[08:07] <Jeremy> I thought so too
[08:07] <caz> wow
[08:09] <Jeremy> looks hard enough to do on paper, let alone on a field
[08:10] <caz> i have a question re: planet X
[08:10] <Jeremy> ok :)
[08:11] <caz> is it close enough where we can see it w/ a telescope?
[08:11] <Jeremy> It is currently outside of the solar system at present, according to ZT, and won;t be visible to amateurs until the autumn...
[08:12] <Jeremy> ZT has claimed however it is already visible to observatory class equipment
[08:12] <caz> but it could be visable w/ the observatory equipment?
[08:12] <Jeremy> yes..
[08:13] <caz> well, why won't someone look! ;)
[08:13] <caz> cover up?
[08:14] <Jeremy> Possibly, ZT alleges steps have been taken to cover it up or prevent the public from using observatories to sight it themselves
[08:14] <caz> interesting if true
[08:15] <Jeremy> I'm prepared to wait until December for an amateur sighting
[08:15] <caz> will this be possible w/ the naked eye or should i run out and get a telescope?
[08:15] <Jeremy> Beyond that if no sightings or hints of a sighting emerge from the astronomical community, then I would have increasing doubt about it
[08:16] <Jeremy> PX will be visible to the naked eye 7 weeks prior to the passage. It will appear as reddish cross that appears to move and gets brighter and bigger
[08:16] <caz> oh neat
[08:17] <caz> i hope this i sjust a load of bull
[08:17] <Jeremy> The reddish cross should appear in early April 2003
[08:17] <Jeremy> By that time is within the solar system
[08:18] <Jeremy> caz: Have you read more of ZT?
[08:18] <caz> not lately
[08:18] <Jeremy> ok
[08:18] <caz> i have been researching nibiru on the net though
[08:19] <Jeremy> I see
[08:20] <caz> what do you recommend i look at at the zeta site?
[08:21] <Jeremy> The Transformation section is interesting; they all are I suppose
[08:21] <Jeremy> The Pole Shift link is perhaps the most significant section which is probably why it's at the top
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[08:22] <caz> i read both those
[08:22] <caz> very interesting indeed
[08:22] <Jeremy> The 'Countdown Signs' link is worth reading
[08:25] <Jeremy> !!CB!! 114
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[08:26] <Jeremy> did any computer code appear in the main window before I disconnected?
[08:27] <caz> yes
[08:27] <Jeremy> ooopppss
[08:27] <Nol> May i try to scan all your ports??
[08:27] <Jeremy> sorry about that
[08:28] <Jeremy> One has to be careful what they paste when using mIRC
[08:29] <Jeremy> so where was I now..
[08:29] <Nol> I downloaded some new software..
[08:29] <Jeremy> yeah
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[08:31] <FunBot> [IQx] mooooo
[08:31] <IQx> Hi All
[08:31] <Nol> hi IQX
[08:32] <Jeremy> hello IQx
[08:33] <Nol> it recognize my #port 139
[08:33] <Nol> is that dangerous?
[08:33] <IQx> Depending Nol.
[08:33] <Nol> file exchange ... possible?
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[08:34] <Nol> hi,monk
[08:34] <monk> hi
[08:35] <monk> whats going on
[08:35] <Nol> Just another day in the third density
[08:36] <Nol> sitting on the globe
[08:36] <Nol> wating.. for..
[08:36] <Jeremy> The most wanted planet in the solar system?
[08:36] <Nol> hehe
[08:36] <monk> planet x
[08:36] <monk> ?
[08:37] <monk> just kidding
[08:37] <IQx> Jeremy: Earth
[08:37] <Jeremy> IQx: Well this is the best planet in the solar system I reckon
[08:38] <IQx> Jeremy: Absolutely.
[08:39] <monk> its going to shit tho
[08:39] <Jeremy> Most 3rd density worlds destroy themselves, so say the Zetas
[08:40] <monk> i hope we dont destroy ourseleves
[08:40] <Nol> chemtrails and the like..?
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[08:41] <Nol> spiderwebs...?
[08:41] <Jeremy> Think what will happen when the oil runs out
[08:41] <monk> chemtrails sucks
[08:41] <monk> we will have to use other energy sources
[08:42] <monk> telsa inventions would be nice
[08:42] <IQx> Cya All
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[08:44] <Nol> Do you believe in chemtrail subject
[08:45] <monk> i believe it needs to be stoped
[08:45] <monk> i been trying to say a pray for the chemtrails like everyday
[08:46] <monk> my skys are already polluted enough
[08:46] <Jeremy> where do you live monk?
[08:47] <monk> california usa
[08:47] <monk> in riverside
[08:47] <monk> very polluted cities here
[08:47] <Jeremy> oh right. I was in California on vacation back in June
[08:47] <monk> alot of chemtrails to
[08:47] <monk> i heard about this holy hand garnade i think im gonna build one
[08:48] <Jeremy> a hand grenade?
[08:48] <monk> just a name for it
[08:49] <monk> its spose to take negative energy and turn it into positive
[08:49] <monk> as they say
[08:51] <Jeremy> how do you build one?
[08:52] <monk> ummm
[08:53] <monk> http://educate-yourself.org/CBconstructioninfo1feb02.html
[08:53] <Jeremy> oh, thx
[08:53] <caz> i looking for the link now jeremy
[08:53] <caz> i read about that a couple days ago
[08:54] <Jeremy> thx caz
[08:54] <caz> that's it up there
[08:56] <Jeremy> right
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[09:00] <Jeremy> Hi Ogmios
[09:02] <Ogmios> hi Jeremy
[09:03] <Ogmios> really impressive new crop circle
[09:03] <Jeremy> yeah, I posted a link earlier on in this room
[09:03] <monk> url ?
[09:04] <Jeremy> http://cropcircleconnector.com/2002/windmillhill/windmillhill2002a.html
[09:04] <monk> thanks
[09:04] <IQx[AwaY]> Impressive.
[09:04] <Jeremy> Definitely, IQz
[09:04] <Jeremy> IQx
[09:05] <monk> wow
[09:06] <Ogmios> maybe that goes to news?
[09:06] <monk> lol
[09:07] <monk> not mainstream news
[09:07] <Ogmios> :(
[09:07] <[3j]> hmm
[09:07] <[3j]> that crop circle cant be real..
[09:08] <Jeremy> It deserves to. Last year the Alton Barnes crop circle formation, consisting of hundreds of circles, was featured in a double page spread in The Daily Mail newspaper
[09:08] <Ogmios> where is proof that it isnt real
[09:08] <Jeremy> yo 3j
[09:08] <monk> no human can do that
[09:09] <[3j]> well
[09:09] <[3j]> if this was real it would HAVE to make the news
[09:09] <Jeremy> Germany too has had a 'bumper crop' of crop circles so far this year
[09:09] <[3j]> look at it, insane
[09:09] <monk> i heard that they were gonna make fake crop circles for the movie signs but i dont think they made this one
[09:10] <[3j]> thats convenient
[09:10] <Jeremy> I'd like to hear the farmers comments about this recent circle, to see how long it took them to notice it
[09:11] <monk> i once seen a crop circle in my backyard
[09:11] <monk> in california
[09:11] <monk> but i live by a college
[09:11] <monk> i think it was some kids
[09:16] <Jeremy> have any US based people here seen MIB2 yet?
[09:17] <monk> i have
[09:18] <Jeremy> Was it worth seeing?
[09:18] <monk> better then the first one
[09:18] <Jeremy> oh
[09:18] <monk> i think i havn't seen the first one in a long time
[09:20] <Jeremy> And Signs is scheduled for release in the US on August 2nd, if I'm still right
[09:20] <monk> yes
[09:20] <monk> but that movie is going to be whack
[09:20] <Jeremy> Actually I ought to visit the Signs website again
[09:21] <monk> i think its a kinda movie thats gonna be like a alien invasion type of movie i believe
[09:21] <monk> very unrealstic
[09:21] <Jeremy> yeah
[09:23] <[3j]> and its mel gibson..
[09:23] <[3j]> popular.. but not the best of actors
[09:23] <[3j]> for a movie in the genre of signs, i wonder how he will do
[09:23] <Jeremy> phone
[09:29] <Jeremy> back
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[09:42] <Jeremy> hmm
[09:42] <Jeremy> US stock market has fallen further today
[09:42] <monk> listening to jeff rense
[09:42] <Jeremy> oh
[09:42] <monk> i seen that
[09:42] <Jeremy> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_2137000/2137743.stm
[09:42] <monk> no surprise
[09:42] <Jeremy> no
[09:43] <Jeremy> how low will it go?
[09:43] <monk> -266.04 now
[09:43] <monk> i think it will crash
[09:43] <monk> I think no one will wanna put money in the stock market anymore
[09:44] <Jeremy> Someone told me that 'now' is the time to buy. I've got my reservations though.
[09:44] <[3j]> its going to go up
[09:44] <[3j]> according to donald trump
[09:45] <monk> its gonna go up according to george bush to
[09:45] <monk> he lies to much '
[09:45] <monk> well he didn't say that
[09:45] <monk> he says our econdmy is strong
[09:46] <[3j]> so did greenspan
[09:47] <[3j]> but im no phd in economy so i cant say asides from repeating rumors and what they say on news
[09:48] <monk> everyone should put money in gold
[09:48] <Jeremy> if you believe in coming pole shift, then put your money into survival supplies
[09:49] <monk> good point jeremy
[09:49] <monk> Im gonna do that and go live in the mountains
[09:50] <Jeremy> in California?
[09:50] <monk> yea
[09:50] <Jeremy> Cascade range?
[09:50] <monk> Im going to Mt Shasta
[09:50] <Jeremy> ahh .. I drove past there on I-5 back in June
[09:50] <monk> alot of positive energy there
[09:51] <monk> I was there a week ago
[09:51] <Jeremy> near Weed?
[09:51] <monk> yes
[09:52] <Jeremy> Quite a refreshing sight. I remember looking at it from a Taco Bell restaurant just off I-5
[09:52] <monk> the city of telos is under the volcano also
[09:53] <monk> its a power point
[09:53] <monk> I think ill be safe there
[09:53] <Jeremy> do you accept possiblity of a pole shift next year monk?
[09:53] <monk> I wanna live through the pole shift
[09:53] <monk> yes
[09:53] <Jeremy> ok
[09:54] <monk> I have been evolving i know its true
[09:55] <Jeremy> I wonder myself if earth changes will intensify by the end of the year
[09:55] <monk> i wanna be alive in this body through the pole shift
[09:55] <Jeremy> yeah
[09:56] <monk> I believe im already shifting towards the 4th density
[09:56] <monk> I believe im in between
[09:56] <Jeremy> so you are firmly STO then?
[09:56] <monk> or something like that
[09:57] <monk> sto ?
[09:57] <Jeremy> Servive-To-Other
[09:57] <monk> yes
[09:57] <Jeremy> Service I meant
[09:58] <monk> I used to be a service to self but now im turning to a service to other
[09:58] <Jeremy> I see
[09:58] <monk> now that i relized the turth
[09:58] <Jeremy> When did you find ZT?
[09:59] <monk> 2 days ago
[09:59] <Jeremy> much to absorb, as you can probably tell
[10:00] <monk> zetas are very bright
[10:00] <monk> everything i read makes sense
[10:00] <Jeremy> They have had some modest success in predicting earth changes
[10:01] <Jeremy> Did you know about Planet X/Nibiru prior to finding ZetaTalk?
[10:01] <monk> yes
[10:01] <monk> I knew about the pole shift also way before i found zeta talk
[10:01] <Jeremy> oh
[10:02] <monk> i listen to artbell alot
[10:02] <monk> and read webpages alot
[10:02] <Jeremy> You found ZT after listening to the ZT/Art Bell interview?
[10:03] <monk> no
[10:03] <monk> i was reading about the nwo
[10:03] <monk> then found a link to zetatalk
[10:03] <Jeremy> oh, I see
[10:04] <Jeremy> ZT has grown considerably over the years since it began in 1995
[10:05] <monk> this information needs to get out
[10:05] <Jeremy> I'd recommend attending the ZT IRC session on Saturdays at 2200 UT
[10:05] <Jeremy> The channel is #zetatalk
[10:05] <Jeremy> You may know that already
[10:05] <monk> i plan to
[10:06] <Jeremy> Normally the question and answer session starts after 2230 or sometimes later
[10:06] <monk> I really wanna know what orbs are
[10:06] <Nol> it did  crash already ...in a certain way
[10:07] <monk> if someone could answer this for me
[10:07] <Nol> ooops , i was at . another point in the logs ...sorry
[10:08] <Jeremy> monk: you mean orbs as in balls of light in the sky?
[10:08] <monk> yes
[10:09] <monk> I see them all over the place i just dont know what they are
[10:09] <Jeremy> UFOs
[10:09] <Nol> Do you people advise... counseling and so on monk?
[10:09] <Jeremy> Nol: In what context?
[10:10] <monk> of course they are ufos heh
[10:10] <Nol> HE HAVE SOME DREAMS OR SO..
[10:10] <Nol> ?????
[10:10] <monk> i cant identify them
[10:11] <Nol> I still don't understand the word orbs (holland)
[10:11] <Jeremy> monk: Could email Nancy that question via the Contact Nancy link on ZetaTalk
[10:11] <Jeremy> monk: or try and ask it on the Saturday ZT IRC session
[10:11] <Nol> she is bizzy
[10:12] <Nol> but maybe she answers
[10:12] <Jeremy> Most of the questions now are focusing exlusively on the pole shift
[10:12] <monk> http://www.orbsbybeans.com/ check this website
[10:12] <Nol> i read today a lot of her comments when you push the button
[10:12] <Jeremy> what button is that?
[10:15] <Jeremy> still there Nol?
[10:16] <monk> Im listening about orbs now
[10:16] <monk> on jeff rense
[10:17] <Jeremy> ok
[10:17] <Jeremy> I have to go now. Nice talking to you guys.
[10:17] <monk> talking about the war of the angels
[10:17] <monk> bye
[10:17] <Jeremy> bye
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[10:18] <Nol> It is a sort of light ball? Am i  RIGHT?
[10:19] <monk> kinda
[10:19] <Nol> intresting..
[10:20] <monk> they are spirits
[10:20] <Nol> could be
[10:20] <monk> or robots
[10:20] <Nol> also
[10:20] <monk> or angels
[10:20] <Nol> could be also
[10:20] <Nol> souls
[10:21] <monk> so much we dont know in the 3rd dentisy
[10:21] <Nol> our appearence is not human ...
[10:21] <Nol> in the main i think
[10:21] <monk> we are just light
[10:21] <Nol> that is for now the human form..
[10:21] <Nol> yep...could be
[10:22] <Nol> maybe it has also to do with chakra's
[10:22] <Nol> spirit->chakra's->body
[10:23] <Nol> maybe i am not always clear..  but i don't like typing too much...
[10:23] <Nol> so , you know that
[10:24] <monk> ok
[10:24] <Nol> ok
[10:24] <monk> I dont try to understand god anymore
[10:24] <Nol> ok, it get stoo overwellming at a certain time/point
[10:25] <monk> i just go with the flow now
[10:25] <monk> im gonna go clean the house a little bit
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[10:26] <Nol> monk are you with us??
[10:26] <Nol> no w?
[10:27] <Nol> afk ...what does it mean?
[10:27] <Nol> Bye monk
[10:28] <obaway> afk away from keyboard
[10:28] <Nol> oke thx obany..
[10:28] <Ogmios> hi obany
[10:28] <Nol> i searched also on ZT /TT for/on Ramala
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[10:29] <Nol> It did mention some..
[10:31] <Nol> i think  ..this link works well  http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[10:31] <Nol> keyword =ramala
[10:32] <obaway> Yes , there is a mention there of ramala
[10:32] <obaway> on the troubled times site
[10:33] <Nol> i didn't know till this day..
[10:34] <Nol> funny...so now we know...the website is ..huge
[10:36] <Nol> Ooh , i see the search engine is also on the FAQ...
[10:37] <Nol> I don't read all ...hehe ... sorry
[10:38] <Nol> The FAQ site is a really good site!!!
[10:38] <Nol> thx for that guy's!!
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[10:41] <obaway> the FAQ of zetatalk, troubled times you mean ?
[10:41] <obaway> that page?
[10:42] <Nol> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo192.htm
[10:42] <Nol> maybe th e other also ...
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[11:19] <obaway> Jurian, hoe's die ?
[11:19] <Jurian> goed goed :)
[11:20] <obaway> ehehehe steppende uit werk vandaan gekomen hehehe .. ketting lag er weer af en heb dichte kettingkast .. :P was te doen gelukkig ... was niet echt veel later thuis
[11:20] <obaway> mmm lees op webwereld AOL ook geknoeid met cijfers
[11:21] <obaway> * Ook America Online knoeide met omzetcijfers
[11:21] <obaway> 's Werelds grootste internetaanbieder America Online (AOL)
[11:21] <obaway> heeft vanaf 2000 geknoeid met zijn omzetcijfers.
[11:21] <obaway>         http://www.webwereld.nl/nav/nb?11833
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[11:21] <obany> is wel de ene na de andere daar ...
[11:23] <Jurian> jep :)
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[11:47] <sapphire> very quiet around here...
[11:48] <monk> very
[11:49] <sapphire> stock market tanking big time
[11:50] <Ogmios> today too?
[11:50] <sapphire> yes, big time
[11:50] <sapphire> soon it might be "zetas right again!" unfortunately
[11:51] <monk> we all know where the stock market is going
[11:51] <SnookPoon> Buy Gold
[11:52] <sapphire> i have been thinking low 7000 level for DOW before any "rebound", and we aren't too far away now
[11:54] <monk> I dont think it will go up
[11:54] <monk> unless they do some tricks to make the illusion its going up
[11:54] <monk> what i think
[11:56] <SnookPoon> We'll get a bounce right under 8000 on the DOW at 7996
[11:57] <SnookPoon> That's the end of the ABC down and I got a short term bottom signal for Monday or Tuesday at the latest
[11:58] <sapphire> hehe
[11:59] <sapphire> wait till aol-time warner plays out...
[12:00] <SnookPoon> I have that at 4 in a couple of months
[12:00] <Nol> Well I watched TV about Pim Fotuyn
[12:00] <SnookPoon> Who?
[12:00] <Nol> I brought flowers to his home
[12:00] <sapphire> ?
[12:00] <Nol> when he was shot to dead...
[12:01] <Nol> by a person ...
[12:01] <SnookPoon> Who is Pim?
[12:01] <Nol> investigation goes on..
[12:01] <Nol> Our "President" of Holland
[12:02] <SnookPoon> Oh...Sorry to hear the news
[12:02] <SnookPoon> Was it an assanation
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[12:03] <Nol> I don't know ; ther is a guy locked up ...
[12:03] <SnookPoon> Was he very popular there?
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[12:04] <Nol> Yes , he was murdered
[12:04] <Nol> But , by he New World Order???
[12:04] <Nol> that's still a question..
[12:04] <Nol> for me..
[12:05] <Nol> i speak for myself now
[12:05] <SnookPoon> Did he have contriversial ideas?
[12:05] <sapphire> i seem to remember hearing of this a while back...wasn't he murdered by an "ultra right wing" type
[12:06] <Nol> We are a country by 16 million people..
[12:06] <Nol> at the top of europe..
[12:07] <Nol> (Holland->The Netherlands)
[12:07] <SnookPoon> Yes...I love holland, Nice people and country
[12:07] <Nol> The murderer they say , was in the main a person of "vegan/vegatarian food"
[12:08] <Nol> The said Pim Fortuyn had some ideas about "nerts producing"...
[12:09] <Nol> they
[12:09] <SnookPoon> I have friends here in the US that are from
[12:09] <SnookPoon> Holland
[12:09] <SnookPoon> Very Nice People
[12:09] <Nol> As I understand.. so i don't ...sure
[12:10] <SnookPoon> What are nerts?
[12:10] <Nol> Thus it was about ...the animal freedom/rights...
[12:10] <sapphire> oh, i get it now.  It was an animal right's activist who murdered him
[12:11] <Nol> Yes , in the main that is right ...
[12:11] <Nol> But i have that info from tv/radio/media
[12:11] <sapphire> right, a "lone gunman" scenario
[12:12] <SnookPoon> That makes no sense. If your for animal rights then why would you murder a human animal?
[12:12] <Nol> aa lonely guy ...who worked for a organisation ..animal right ..probally
[12:13] <sapphire> that is the situation which is ripe for conspiracy theories...at least where I come from
[12:13] <Nol> But the problems we face in our country .... Pim was/looked to turn those thing..
[12:13] <Nol> He was at a point ... to become President..
[12:14] <Nol> this was found out by ...
[12:14] <Nol> polls
[12:14] <Nol> Some days befor the election... he was shot
[12:15] <Nol> after he did a radio intervieuw
[12:15] <Jurian> speaking about the lone gunmen, anyone know who plays that chick in it? :)
[12:15] <SnookPoon> Who becomes President now?
[12:16] <Jurian> jan peter balkenende, I think
[12:16] <Nol> Peter Jan Balkenende..
[12:16] <Jurian> almost right :)
[12:16] <Jurian> I hate politics :p
[12:16] <Nol> Nick
[12:16] <Nol> hehe
[12:16] <Nol> Nick: Dutch Harry Potter
[12:16] <Jurian> lol
[12:17] <obany> Jurian : http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-8912
[12:17] <Jurian> yeah, that's her
[12:17] <Jurian> damned sexy
[12:18] <obany> i never watched the lone gunmen it's only 12 episodes right .. ?
[12:18] <Jurian> yeah, its very cool tho :)
[12:18] <obany> fox cancelled the show
[12:18] <Jurian> yeah, idiots
[12:19] <Nol> So  I was really emotional...about that    .. even I was myself a "90%-100% Vegatarian"
[12:21] <SnookPoon> Does Peter Jan Balkenende have the same views?
[12:21] <obany> nol: it was bad that he was shot, but a lot of things he said where about the same as what Janmaat used to say about those from foreing countries
[12:22] <Nol> But you must admit there is now ...really a "allochton" guy ... in the Parlement
[12:22] <obany> a different view then that Pim Fortuyn had, and the party of Pim Fortuyn
[12:22] <obany> I know Nol
[12:23] <Nol> conspiracy?? obany??
[12:24] <obany> Nol: ???
[12:25] <obany> why should i think about that?
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[12:25] <FunBot> [IQx[AwaY]] mooooo
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[12:25] <IQx[AwaY]> Hi All
[12:25] <IQx[AwaY]> Jurian: =D
[12:25] <Nol> If you have a person of another race on your list ... then you are not a ..extreme right party  ... or not??
[12:26] <Jurian> IQx[AwaY]! :)
[12:26] <IQx[AwaY]> Eh, you're not supposed to put the [AwaY] part =P
[12:26] <IQx[AwaY]> Oh, mIRC, thats why
[12:26] <IQx[AwaY]> I + TAB = IQx[AwaY] ;)
[12:26] <Nol> Well.. this again...politics people gets ...upset...
[12:26] <Jurian> yep :p
[12:26] <Jurian> me lazy :p
[12:26] <IQx[AwaY]> So how are ya Jurian ?
[12:26] <Jurian> nick completion good :p
[12:27] <IQx[AwaY]> Why are you still here ?
[12:27] <Jurian> why not?
[12:27] <Nol> just follow the news , maybe that's better
[12:27] <obany> Nol: i do follow the news so what ?
[12:27] <Nol> think for your self... that's my opinion in the main..
[12:27] <IQx[AwaY]> Jurian: I thought you are a bit through with ZT.
[12:27] <monk> www.whatreallyhappened.com good news site
[12:27] <Jurian> a bit, but not completely :p
[12:28] <obany> And i think he still like to talk/chat here too on this channel
[12:28] <IQx[AwaY]> Jurian: BTW, do you remember where the startup applications are stored for Win2K (not the startup folder, the registry or .ini files) ? I have some stuff starting up, and wish to remove them manually without using a config utility.
[12:28] <IQx[AwaY]> Jurian: Same here.
[12:28] <Jurian> heh, registry
[12:29] <IQx[AwaY]> Nol: News concerning what ? The PX theory ?
[12:29] <Jurian> hkey current user
[12:29] <Jurian> software
[12:29] <Jurian> microsoft
[12:29] <IQx[AwaY]> Jurian: Continue..
[12:29] <Jurian> windows
[12:29] <Jurian> currentversion
[12:29] <Jurian> run
[12:29] <Jurian> or runonce / runservice / runserviceonce
[12:29] <IQx[AwaY]> None =P
[12:29] <Jurian> nasty
[12:30] <Nol> No , I just said some things .. and everyone has /most decided for them self wich is true ... and in what degree..
[12:30] <Jurian> try hkey local machine
[12:30] <Jurian> might be in there
[12:30] <IQx[AwaY]> There you go, thanks Jurian. =)
[12:30] <Jurian> np :)
[12:30] <Jurian> I hate stuff that hides there :p
[12:30] <IQx[AwaY]> Jurian: What happened to S7L ? Without you, obany and S7L this place seems to be so different.
[12:31] <Jurian> heh, I don't know
[12:31] <IQx[AwaY]> He didnt show signs of himself nowhere ? Even the boards ?
[12:31] <SnookPoon> !seen S7L
[12:31] <grimbot> I found 2 matches to your query (sorted): friend S7L. friend (friend@LXIII.wdyn.saunalahti.fi) was last seen quitting from #Troubled_Times 20 days, 22 hours, 33 minutes ago stating (gone).
[12:31] <Jurian> dunno, I think he posts on the lists
[12:31] <obany> He hasn't been here for a while.. i look on that, zetaastro yahoogroup from time to time and there he emails from time to time as far as i noticed
[12:31] <Jurian> seen antti
[12:31] <FunBot> antti was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 24 days, 5 hours, 20 minutes ago.
[12:32] <IQx[AwaY]> SnookPoon: He is registered here by the FunBot (original bot) as Antti, not S7L =)
[12:32] <IQx[AwaY]> obany: What is his motive on zetaastro ?
[12:34] * Retrieving #Troubled_Times info...
[12:34] <IQx[AwaY]> 'Your site has broken its bandwidth limit of 100.00 Mb, it has in fact
[12:34] <IQx[AwaY]>  consumed 197.38 Mb of bandwidth this month so far.
[12:34] <IQx[AwaY]> '
[12:34] <IQx[AwaY]> ... and the site is still there.
[12:35] <sapphire> what kind of limitations are those?  That's pretty lame.
[12:36] <obany> IQx[AwaY] He isn't into zetatalk or so anymore .. turned skeptic or so a while ago
[12:36] <IQx[AwaY]> sapphire: Free PHP WebHosting without Ads or Such =)
[12:36] <IQx[AwaY]> obany: Ive noticed, his page tells much.
[12:37] <sapphire> ahh, must be the "without Ads" part which makes it so restrictive
[12:37] * IQx[AwaY] is now known as IQx
[12:37] <IQx> sapphire: PHP + Ads =)
[12:38] <sapphire> PHP?
[12:38] <Jurian> omfg
[12:38] <Jurian> you savage! :P
[12:38] <IQx> sapphire: www.php.net sire.
[12:38] <IQx> Jurian: Absolutely, hehe.
[12:38] <Jurian> php = replacement god
[12:38] <IQx> Jurian: Dont say that around Antti.
[12:38] <Jurian> coding PHP is my job :p
[12:38] <Jurian> perl is a camel
[12:39] <Jurian> php > perl
[12:39] <IQx> *cough*geek*cough*
[12:39] <Jurian> yep
[12:39] <Jurian> and proud of it!
[12:39] <IQx> If I only knew that getting a job requiring PHP would be easy, I wouldve learned the language.
[12:39] <obany> it's the geeks that rule this world :P ...
[12:39] <Jurian> you should see me in my "No, I will not fix your computer" T-shirt :p
[12:40] <Jurian> heh, I learned PHP at work :p
[12:40] <IQx> obany: Nerds, not geeks ;)
[12:40] <Jurian> geeks > nerds
[12:40] <IQx> Nerds > Geeks
[12:40] <Jurian> no
[12:40] <obany> Jurian = supreme geek :P
[12:40] <IQx> Nerds = Geeks + Women
[12:40] <IQx> ;)
[12:40] <Nol> Preprocessing Hypertext Protocol?
[12:40] <Jurian> hehe
[12:40] <Nol> PHP?
[12:41] <Jurian> a script language :p
[12:41] <IQx> Nol: www.php.net
[12:41] <Jurian> very powerfull
[12:41] <Jurian> very very fast
[12:41] <IQx> very geekly
[12:41] <Jurian> yep :p
[12:41] <Nol> yEP
[12:41] <IQx> =P
[12:41] <IQx> Jurian: Do you own VS.NET ?
[12:41] <Nol> thx Iqx
[12:41] <IQx> Nol: Not a problem
[12:41] <Jurian> nope, i don't
[12:41] <Jurian> why?
[12:42] <IQx> I need an ISO, CD4
[12:42] <Jurian> of what?
[12:42] <IQx> Of the whole MS VS.NET Enterprise
[12:42] <Nol> Iqx , but i already did know some about it , .. but thx ..
[12:43] <IQx> There are only 5 CDs I need, I got 4 of them.
[12:43] <IQx> Nol: Alright, any more questions can be directed towards the geek below my name on the Nickname List (Right Column)
[12:43] <Ogmios> so its market crash soon
[12:43] <IQx> Ogmios: Possibly.
[12:44] <Nol> Can one of you guy's  hack me?
[12:44] <Nol> I have downloaded...
[12:44] <monk> 8092.43 DOW
[12:44] <Nol> some  new  software...
[12:44] <monk> I love it
[12:45] <Nol> can you read my files monk?
[12:45] <monk> yea ill send u a file ill hack u
[12:45] <Nol> not  MJ12 file's
[12:45] <Nol> hehe
[12:46] <sapphire> 8011 DOW...down almost 400 pts
[12:47] <SnookPoon> DOW down 400 now
[12:47] <sapphire> more than 400...
[12:47] <sapphire> only submarines can dive faster
[12:47] <SnookPoon> yep and Gold up!!!!
[12:47] <monk> i hope the stock market crashs soon
[12:47] <SnookPoon> Dollar down again
[12:47] <IQx> monk: Why do you hope for that to happen ?
[12:47] <monk> wheres the plunge team when we need them
[12:48] <sapphire> plunge team is busy trying to defend cheney and halliburton
[12:48] <monk> because its bullshit whats happening
[12:48] <IQx> monk: What exactly is bullsh-t ?
[12:48] <monk> maybe people will wake up after it crashs
[12:48] <IQx> monk: People will be in misery after it crashes.
[12:48] <Ogmios> maybe it causes some war
[12:48] <SnookPoon> The fed came out the other day and said they are going to let it fall
[12:49] <SnookPoon> If you read between the lines
[12:49] <IQx> monk: Have you ever studied Economics ? Do you know what impact the collapsing of the Stock Market will have on the current world ?
[12:49] <SnookPoon> Much higher gold prices
[12:49] <monk> no i never studied econmomics
[12:49] <IQx> Not only the US Economy will go down, but it will pull down the world.
[12:50] <monk> then we will have a reason for a world currancy
[12:50] <SnookPoon> It's part of the dbt bubble collapse and a normal part of the business cycle
[12:50] <IQx> No, you will have a reason to beg for food on the street.
[12:50] <SnookPoon> debt
[12:50] <IQx> Not to collapse, a recess is a part of the cycle.
[12:51] <IQx> Which the US is currently is attempting to battle.
[12:51] <monk> the money system is already corrupt
[12:51] <SnookPoon> We are entering a depression not recession
[12:51] <SnookPoon> A deflationary cycle
[12:51] <IQx> It is possibly the same recess that the original Bush battled, but not quite so - seems to be similar but is not.
[12:51] <SnookPoon> All goods, services, commodities, ect. will fall in price
[12:52] <IQx> IMHO it is more like we reached the possibility curve, for many companies (at least in US).
[12:52] <SnookPoon> This happened here in the US in the 1930's
[12:52] <SnookPoon> It's exactly the same thing
[12:52] <IQx> SnookPoon: No, that will not help much.
[12:52] <IQx> SnookPoon: Keeping everything the same is what will help although.
[12:53] <IQx> SnookPoon: It actually much like what George Bush was dealing with, but a bit different.
[12:53] <SnookPoon> How's that?
[12:53] <IQx> SnookPoon: I wont make this a big discussion, I can search for a paper I wrote and send it to you if you wish to know the reasons.
[12:53] <SnookPoon> DOW down 437
[12:54] <monk> the us dollar has been falling in value for a long time
[12:54] <IQx> SnookPoon: I can also give you the email of a Economist in NYC who you can ask the opinion of.
[12:54] <IQx> monk: Indeed.
[12:54] <SnookPoon> Dollar just started falling 2.5 months ago
[12:54] <monk> the rich are richer and poor are getting poorer
[12:55] <IQx> monk: It was usually like that, what else are we looking for ?
[12:55] <SnookPoon> I'm not even sure what you are referring to IQx. What is your premise?
[12:55] <IQx> SnookPoon: The discussion we had for the last 10 minutes.
[12:55] <IQx> Started with the statement monk made.
[12:56] <SnookPoon> Yes, monk you are exactly right! It is a large transfer of wealth form the poor to the rich!
[12:56] <SnookPoon> Ok let me look
[12:57] * IQx is now known as IQx[A]
[12:57] <SnookPoon> Ok... A one world currency?
[12:57] <SnookPoon> Yes, you are right that is the ultimate goal!!!
[12:57] <IQx[A]> Want to discuss that ? I think Angelic has an opinion about that.
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[12:58] <Angelic> opinions are worth nothing to anyone but myself :)
[12:58] <SnookPoon> That is why the only thing that will do well in deflationary times is gold
[12:59] <SnookPoon> Fiat money ( money not backed by anything like gold ) is the ultimate goal of all the central banks of the world
[12:59] <SnookPoon> Fiat money is just paper....that's it!
[12:59] <monk> yup
[13:00] <IQx[A]> Wow, all my books are made out of paper - I am rich!
[13:00] <IQx[A]> =P
[13:00] <monk> thats why i want the stock market to crash and i want paper money out of the system
[13:00] <SnookPoon> If they want to control a group or country they just print more money
[13:00] <SnookPoon> and use it against them
[13:00] <monk> we need a new system
[13:00] <IQx[A]> SnookPoon: Printing more money wouldnt help the economy much.
[13:00] <IQx[A]> monk: What system would that be ?
[13:01] <monk> helping others
[13:01] <monk> giving stuff for free
[13:01] <IQx[A]> monk: I believe most would not join this system.
[13:01] <SnookPoon> No it won't help the economy... but it does help those in control manipulate people
[13:01] <Nol> Melkert goes to ...bank
[13:01] <monk> I know the way we live now it would never work to many selfish people
[13:01] <SnookPoon> Yuo won't be given a choice if it ever comes about
[13:01] <IQx[A]> monk: You speak of socialistic ideas or am I wrong ?
[13:02] <monk> I dont know
[13:02] <IQx[A]> monk: It is a very interesting subject you brought up, I suggest you find something about it on the web, there's much.
[13:03] <sapphire> wow, more than 18 Billion dollars left mutual funds in last 5 days
[13:03] <SnookPoon> I do know... I see market manipulation in supposedley FREE markets all the time by Central Banks all around the world
[13:03] <sapphire> much of it appears to be flowing out of US
[13:04] <IQx[A]> SnookPoon: Well, what can we do ?
[13:04] <SnookPoon> That's right
[13:04] <SnookPoon> Buy gold and gold mining stocks
[13:04] <monk> gold billoins
[13:04] <IQx[A]> You believe the solution is so simple ?
[13:04] <SnookPoon> They have artifically kept the price of gold low to cover thier short positions
[13:04] <IQx[A]> SnookPoon: What if somehow gold looses value ?
[13:05] <monk> gold will always be of value
[13:05] <SnookPoon> That is starting to unravel now
[13:05] <SnookPoon> Gold can't be kept lower for much longer
[13:05] <monk> as long as we look at it in the material way
[13:05] <SnookPoon> Yes, because it tkaes work and effort to obtain it
[13:05] <SnookPoon> Paper money is easy to mine
[13:06] <IQx[A]> Will we ever reach the space age like the ETs (if any) did ?
[13:06] <SnookPoon> Just turn on the printing press and ther you go
[13:06] <IQx[A]> There's a possibility we will destroy ourselves before we actually do.
[13:06] <IQx[A]> SnookPoon: So is the dust from the Moon, but who requires it ?
[13:06] <SnookPoon> Maybe, or planetx will get us
[13:07] <IQx[A]> SnookPoon: Or our grand-grand-grandchildren will spend their Honeymoon on Mars. =)
[13:07] <SnookPoon> Well the same minerals that are on the moon are here as well
[13:07] <monk> or we will live in 1000 years of peace like the bible says
[13:07] <IQx[A]> SnookPoon: I meant that as an example, something that is also difficult to obtain.
[13:08] <SnookPoon> hehe
[13:08] <SnookPoon> I know...I'm just kidding
[13:08] * Jurian has quit IRC (poof!)
[13:08] <IQx[A]> Alright, I am also 'poof!'
[13:08] <IQx[A]> Very nice chatting with all of you, have a good day/night.
[13:08] <obany> bbl friend on visit
[13:08] * IQx[A] is now away
[13:08] <Angelic> iqx enjoy the poof ;)
[13:08] <SnookPoon> bye
[13:09] <IQx[A]> poof! ;)
[13:13] <Nol> i  have scanne d wagd.com
[13:13] <Nol> only
[13:14] <Nol> #22
[13:14] <Nol> #25
[13:14] <Nol> #80
[13:14] <Nol> open
[13:14] <Nol> right?
[13:15] <Nol> somebody else his/her ip?
[13:15] <obany> why scan wagd.com
[13:15] <obany> and what's the fun about scanning
[13:16] <Nol> i get it from sirgrim/iqx i think
[13:16] <obany> sigrim is not iqx
[13:16] <Nol> Well, if you are on irc then you are also a target ..
[13:17] <SnookPoon> What are you doing Nol? Scanning for Ip adresses or trying to hack into others computers?
[13:17] <obany> nol: if you are getting anyoing over here .. i will ban your ass yu know
[13:17] <Nol> OUR IP ADRES IS KNOWN NOW...
[13:17] <SnookPoon> looking for open ports?
[13:17] <Nol> BECAUSE WE ARE ON A IRC CHANNEL...
[13:18] <Nol> OR NOT..??
[13:18] <obany> if you start to hack etc, i also will contact a ircop here ... and i will ask to g-line you or whatever
[13:18] <monk> yes
[13:18] <obany> capise
[13:18] <obany> mr nol
[13:18] <obany> don't fuck around
[13:19] <Nol> wait i give you a url... relaxe
[13:19] <SnookPoon> no..no. Don't threaten Nol
[13:19] <SnookPoon> I'm just curious Nol
[13:19] <obany> je gaat hier niet lopen kloten nol
[13:19] <SnookPoon> How vulnerable are we?
[13:19] <SnookPoon> What????
[13:20] <Nol> http://blacksun.box.sk/  info about hacking ??
[13:20] <SnookPoon> Thanks nol
[13:20] <SnookPoon> Nol: How vulnerable are we?
[13:20] <Nol> What i am just saying irc can be ... a intresting channel for hackers.. or am i wrong???
[13:21] <Nol> NancyL
[13:21] <Nol> SAID..
[13:21] <SnookPoon> Yes it could be a target I'm aware
[13:21] <Nol> interg
[13:21] <Nol> ..bios...
[13:21] * ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@a109252.upc-a.chello.nl
[13:21] * Nol was kicked by ChanServ (Bye. (obany))
[13:21] <obany> so ....
[13:21] <Angelic> ?
[13:21] <obany> for a little moment .. only
[13:22] * ChanServ sets mode: -b *!*@a109252.upc-a.chello.nl
[13:22] <obany> you see
[13:22] <SnookPoon> Obany: Why did you do that
[13:22] <obany> cause sometimes he can get a little anoying... and he is already unbanned
[13:23] <SnookPoon> banned or unbanned? you just kiked him didn't you?
[13:23] <sapphire> well, if Nol thinks he can hack into somebody here through this IRC he needs an education
[13:24] <Angelic> just between the lines. Nancy aske people to get IMO's IP and find out his address.. that is ok? but Nol can't talk about it? Nol did not state he wanted to hack anyone.
[13:24] <sapphire> i'm not sure what he was saying...not very clear
[13:25] <obany> the same for me, i didn't know what he was saying either in fact.. And i am Dutch
[13:25] <sapphire> couldn't hack me, in any case
[13:26] <obany> oops he was talking english but i didn't know what he meant
[13:26] <SnookPoon> My understanding id IRC is very vulnerable without the proper safeguards
[13:26] <SnookPoon> is
[13:26] <monk> irc is vulnable
[13:26] <SnookPoon> It looked to me like he was looking for open ports
[13:26] <sapphire> i guess for those who are just sitting exposed to internet
[13:26] <Angelic> many hackers and crackers on irc, most channels are easy to take over
[13:27] <sapphire> sure the channel can be take over, no prolem.  Client computer is another story
[13:27] <SnookPoon> I was curious to see what he was up to
[13:27] <SnookPoon> It can be done
[13:28] <SnookPoon> monk: any comment?
[13:28] <sapphire> not through monitored packet firewall
[13:28] <SnookPoon> Depends on the firewall
[13:28] <monk> I dont really care about it
[13:28] <sapphire> yes
[13:29] <SnookPoon> All firewalls have vulnerabilities as well
[13:29] <sapphire> yes, but not from IRC
[13:29] <monk> alarm alert pro is a good firewall
[13:30] <sapphire> hardware are the best, preferably constructed with linux
[13:30] <SnookPoon> yep
[13:32] <sapphire> if I had the $ I would run encryption on my LAN
[13:32] <SnookPoon> I would too
[13:33] <SnookPoon> I've been wanting to set up a 803.11a network with my neighbors but I can't afford the encription software
[13:34] <SnookPoon> They want to charge you like your a business
[13:34] <monk> You guys are very smart
[13:34] <sapphire> sneakiest way I got hacked.  Some guy setup his Quake server to get in through my Quake while I was playing.  That was pretty good.  But, I still caught it.
[13:35] <SnookPoon> no..no.. I just read a lot and try ot kepp up with things. They change so fast it's hard unless you work in the field every day
[13:35] <SnookPoon> And even then it's hard
[13:35] <[3j]> ahcked through quake server?
[13:35] <[3j]> hacked
[13:35] <[3j]> did the guy just trick your firewall rules like that?
[13:36] <sapphire> i think those wireless "hot spots" would be great for a neighborhood where all the families knew each other.
[13:36] <SnookPoon> You allowed it sever access?
[13:36] <SnookPoon> It would be great for DSL connections
[13:36] <[3j]> what
[13:37] <sapphire> no, he used the quake packets to get in through those ports, but I had Black Ice running and it blocked him.  But, yes it did get through the hardware firewall
[13:37] <SnookPoon> Better than cable and much cheaper than dial-up
[13:37] <SnookPoon> if you share the cost
[13:37] <sapphire> because i forwarded the ports so i could play :)
[13:37] <monk> my dsl went at 500k a sec downloading a file before
[13:37] <SnookPoon> Ohh, ok
[13:37] <monk> pretty good
[13:37] <monk> now im on a slow cable
[13:38] <SnookPoon> yep...you have the bandwith all to yourself
[13:38] <SnookPoon> cable you share it with your neiborhood
[13:38] <sapphire> upload bandwidth is ussually what is pretty limited with cable.
[13:39] <monk> I download pretty slow
[13:39] <SnookPoon> depnds on the cable provider
[13:39] <[3j]> lots limit it at 15
[13:39] <sapphire> most that allow healthy upload bandwidth, block servers by policy
[13:39] <monk> cable modems can be super fast but they limit it
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[13:40] <monk> I heard on the news that some people were getting alot of bandwidth they hacked the cable system or something
[13:40] <monk> now they are in jail
[13:40] <sapphire> i have cox, they will let me run any amount and type of servers, but I must pay for anything more than 128k upload bandwidth.
[13:40] <gap_mouthed> hi,follks
[13:40] <Angelic> hi
[13:40] <[3j]> cox also offers a biz plan
[13:41] <sapphire> yes, i'm on business plan
[13:41] <[3j]> there residential one is limited
[13:41] <sapphire> "commercial"
[13:41] <monk> my uncle is setting up a network has like 26 t-1 lines
[13:41] <[3j]> how does it work then? charged per bandwidth ?
[13:41] <monk> going through one box amazing
[13:41] <sapphire> they charge different price plans
[13:42] <sapphire> modem is "capped" by their equipment at main office
[13:43] <SnookPoon> DSL is better
[13:43] <[3j]> i agree
[13:43] <SnookPoon> but I guess that depends on the provider as well
[13:43] <sapphire> where I live DSL enforces "no server" policy. And they will not support hooking up a LAN.
[13:43] <monk> I was paying like 89 dollars a month for my dsl
[13:43] <SnookPoon> WOW
[13:43] <sapphire> very "draconian"
[13:44] <SnookPoon> it's 49.95 here
[13:44] <monk> I got the fastest one tho
[13:44] <monk> had a 3 computer lan set up
[13:44] <SnookPoon> they are giving you three months free with a one year agreement
[13:44] <sapphire> when Sprint DSL comes out to your house...if the service technician sees you have multiple computers he leaves!
[13:44] <Angelic> and when he see's no computer? ;)
[13:44] <SnookPoon> My old cable provider would not allow you to hook up a lan either but you can do it and they will never know
[13:45] <monk> verizon didn't care about multiple computers
[13:45] <sapphire> they only install internal DSL modem in single computer.
[13:45] <monk> thats why we got the faster connection
[13:45] <sapphire> so, you are left to later distribute this to your LAN.
[13:45] <sapphire> not worth the bullshit in my oppinion
[13:46] <Angelic> I have run my server for the last 2 years without any warning, raise in price or whatever and still going strong.
[13:46] <SnookPoon> sapphire: Is Sprint your local telco too?
[13:46] <sapphire> cox told me, go ahead and hookup 1000 computers, you still can't exceed bandwidth you are paying for.  And must use own DNS, for that many, of course
[13:47] <sapphire> yes, Sprint is also local telco
[13:47] <SnookPoon> What part of the contry are you in?
[13:47] <[3j]> qwest out here didnt care about my lan
[13:47] <[3j]> the dsl cant go faster than 768 no matter what
[13:47] <sapphire> I'm in Las Vegas, NV
[13:47] <SnookPoon> Florida for me
[13:47] <sapphire> Cox "secretly" blocked Gnutella traffic here
[13:48] <SnookPoon> Sprint SUCKS
[13:48] <sapphire> must have eaten up a good deal of their resources
[13:48] <sapphire> but they didn't say a word...just blocked it all
[13:48] <SnookPoon> They were probably getting a kickback from the music biz
[13:48] <gap_mouthed> http://blacksun.box.sk/
[13:49] <sapphire> all the other file sharing stuff still works...go figure :)
[13:49] <SnookPoon> gap_mouthed: Are you just NOL in cognitio
[13:50] <monk> lol
[13:50] <gap_mouthed> i am Nol
[13:50] <SnookPoon> Ok... So what's the deal
[13:50] <SnookPoon> Can you hack in through IRC?
[13:50] <gap_mouthed> I just give ..
[13:51] <gap_mouthed> you all an idea of "to be get hacked"
[13:51] <gap_mouthed> because you are on ac channel..
[13:51] <gap_mouthed> irc channel
[13:52] <SnookPoon> Ok....
[13:52] <gap_mouthed> or am i wrong?
[13:52] <Angelic> they thought you wanted to hack yes :)
[13:53] <gap_mouthed> I  can scan your ports .. i think..
[13:53] <[3j]> hax0rs
[13:53] <[3j]> f34r
[13:53] <gap_mouthed> http://www.rawlogic.com
[13:54] <sapphire> ports by themselves mean nothing, there has to be an exploitable service running at the particular port
[13:55] <gap_mouthed> could be
[13:55] <Angelic> like quake ;)
[13:55] <gap_mouthed> i don't know
[13:55] <sapphire> yeah, exactly
[13:55] <gap_mouthed> NancyL
[13:55] <gap_mouthed> SAID
[13:55] <gap_mouthed> bios being interro..
[13:55] <gap_mouthed> it really can...
[13:56] <gap_mouthed> happen
[13:56] <sapphire> NancyL demonstrated that she didn't even know the difference between an Internet IP and a Private IP
[13:56] <SnookPoon> bios being interro... what?
[13:56] <sapphire> thinking that 10.0.1.5 was somebody's internet connection
[13:56] <gap_mouthed> I don't know all about it
[13:57] <gap_mouthed> I f you open msdos
[13:57] <sapphire> she knows very little of networking
[13:57] <monk> winconfig
[13:57] <gap_mouthed> C:\>ping
[13:57] <gap_mouthed> ther you go as hacker..
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[13:57] <Angelic> Nancy claims she has worked as a computer professional
[13:57] <gap_mouthed> hi jeremy
[13:58] <Jeremy> hi gap_mouthed
[13:58] <SnookPoon> not with networking
[13:58] <sapphire> i think she worked in database related field...
[13:58] <gap_mouthed> gm=Nol
[13:58] <sapphire> data entry or some such
[13:58] <Angelic> datatypist
[13:58] <SnookPoon> Didn't we have this conversation before saphire?
[13:58] <sapphire> possible
[13:58] <Angelic> dataentry isn't very expertise profession
[13:59] <SnookPoon> I did with someone just the other day
[13:59] <gap_mouthed> But i don't know that much..
[13:59] <gap_mouthed> But be carefull...
[13:59] <gap_mouthed> on the net
[13:59] <gap_mouthed> ...or is it too paranoid?
[13:59] <monk> I think your to paranoid
[13:59] <gap_mouthed> hehe
[14:00] <sapphire> i think if you have something you feel needs to stay hidden...make sure it doesn't have internet access
[14:00] <gap_mouthed> hehe
[14:00] <gap_mouthed> MJ12 DOCUMENTS..
[14:00] <monk> I dont think u will be targeted unless someone is bored
[14:01] <gap_mouthed> NO JOKING..HEHE
[14:01] <Jeremy> I read that Johnson & Johnson are under investigation for improper record keeping now. Possbily another WorldCom or Enron in the making..
[14:01] <sapphire> yep
[14:02] <monk> I think theres alot more coming out to
[14:02] <obany> Jeremy:  i read something about AOL too
[14:02] <monk> yea i read about aol to
[14:02] <Jeremy> oh
[14:02] <sapphire> of course, you've had a whole atmosphere of "getting away with it" going on for most of the decade.  So, there should be LOTS more to come
[14:03] <Jeremy> Another couple of Enrons might be enough to trigger a severe depression
[14:03] <monk> even george bush did it lol
[14:03] <sapphire> AOL/TW decided to count "possible" future advertising revenue as actual revenue for accounting purposes.
[14:04] <sapphire> i believe the amount is around 293 Million dollars
[14:04] <sapphire> not a big deal, by itself
[14:05] <sapphire> The real problem, is that Time Warner may attempt to jettison AOL and effect a "de-merger"
[14:05] <Jeremy> i see
[14:05] <obany> Jeremy : did you read about the Alaska Glacier melt
[14:05] <SnookPoon> AOL was counting barter advertising as revenue when it was just trade
[14:05] <obany> http://www.headliner.nl/headliner.php?c=us&id=49407&abbr=ap
[14:05] <sapphire> In the best case scenario, Time Warner survives and AOL last about 2 months on its own before filing bankruptcy
[14:05] <Jeremy> obany: yes, I posted an article about it on tt-watch
[14:06] <Angelic> wasn't AOL known for its bad service and provision?
[14:06] <Jeremy> Angelic: it was here some years ago
[14:07] <sapphire> AOL is on it's way out.  Internet doesn't need a "safe room" anymore, so the market for AOL is rapidly shrinking
[14:07] <monk> all 30 dow stocks ended in red today :(
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[14:11] <Jeremy> Imagine if earth changes really rocket by early next year, then the fragile stock market will surely crash
[14:11] <sapphire> in the up coming ZT IRC session, Nancy will declare "zetas right again" in regard to stock market...unless a miracle happens
[14:11] <sapphire> ...and her modem finally over-heats beyond the ability of the ice cubes to cool it
[14:12] <monk> of course the zetas are right
[14:12] <Jeremy> Mainly because the market is based on future confidence, and of course the natural world is part of that
[14:14] <Angelic> jeremy, but the natural world is being destroyed by industry , isn't that a paradox?
[14:14] <gap_mouthed> http://members.lycos.nl/webhtml/alien5.swf silly flash i made
[14:15] <Jeremy> Angelic: Man is partly reposnsible for ecological destruction, but some of the earth changes I'm anticipating may be PX induced
[14:15] <gap_mouthed> "in their smoke filled rooms"
[14:15] <monk> PX ?
[14:15] <Jeremy> Planet X
[14:16] <monk> thnx
[14:16] <Jeremy> a.k.a. The 12th Planet, Nibiru, Marduk
[14:16] <[3j]> gap that flash needs a bit more work
[14:17] <Angelic> lol gap
[14:17] <Angelic> unfinished story though ;)
[14:17] <gap_mouthed> hehe , sorry 3j
[14:18] <gap_mouthed> i have made a another one.. a sort of theory
[14:18] <[3j]> whats the url?
[14:18] <gap_mouthed> firt upload..wait
[14:20] <gap_mouthed> http://members.lycos.nl/webhtml/theory.swf
[14:20] <gap_mouthed> don't trust it
[14:20] <gap_mouthed> are you with me?
[14:21] <Jeremy> I worked out using a 'Star Finder' rotating sky map I have, that PX's coordinates should be viewable technically by early August in the early hours of the morning here in England. Trouble is I don't have a powerful enough scope to attempt to sight it.
[14:22] <gap_mouthed> the magnitude.. ??
[14:22] <Jeremy> a lower magnitude than Pluto (!)
[14:22] <Jeremy> which can be low as 16
[14:23] <gap_mouthed> i downloaded some software
[14:23] <[3j]> gap, the theory.swf, you should slow down the animations
[14:23] <[3j]> its all so fast i cant follow
[14:23] <gap_mouthed> http://www.skymap.com
[14:24] <gap_mouthed> 3j : i don't understan the annimation myself..
[14:24] <gap_mouthed> so
[14:25] <gap_mouthed> it is just an impression" i called"
[14:25] <gap_mouthed> maybe it is totally wrong..
[14:26] <gap_mouthed> NancyL could be do that thing i think..
[14:26] <Jeremy> 3j: Is there an observatory in Phoenix?
[14:26] <sapphire> Zeta Poll 1.0 Current numbers:  Nancy mentally ill 45%, Nancy con-artist 34%, Nancy speaks the truth 21%
[14:27] <gap_mouthed> I e-mailed 2 in holland
[14:27] <gap_mouthed> vsa
[14:27] <gap_mouthed> sonneburgh
[14:28] <Jeremy> sapphire: oh well, at least the majority of that poll don't think Nancy is a con artist
[14:28] <sapphire> 100 votes right now, we'll see how many by May 2003
[14:28] <sapphire> poll closes May 15, 2003
[14:31] <Jeremy> I expect everyone will have voted well before that day comes
[14:32] <Jeremy> are you still there 3J?
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[14:33] <Jeremy> hello uroborus
[14:33] <uroborus> hi all..
[14:33] <uroborus> hi jeremy : )
[14:33] <uroborus> every one else speaking german?
[14:34] <Jeremy> ich sprecht kein Deutsche
[14:34] <obany> only a few words ...
[14:34] <obany> to search for a observatory etc http://skyandtelescope.com/resources/organizations/
[14:34] <uroborus> wish i did, i think i can say, "let's go to the beach"
[14:34] <Jeremy> thanks obany
[14:34] <uroborus> thanks obany
[14:34] <monk> how do i vote
[14:35] <monk> I think nancy is telling the turth
[14:35] <uroborus> sorry if uv covered this, but vote on what, monk?
[14:36] <monk> Zeta Poll 1.0 Current numbers:  Nancy mentally ill 45%, Nancy con-artist 34%, Nancy speaks the truth 21%
[14:36] <obany> sapphire has a site and a section of it is about zetatalk and he has a poll on it
[14:36] <uroborus> oh...that would be funny if this all wasn't too scary
[14:36] <monk> <sapphire> Zeta Poll 1.0 Current numbers:  Nancy mentally ill 45%, Nancy con-artist 34%, Nancy speaks the truth 21%
[14:36] <gap_mouthed> I have snooped on a contactee
[14:37] <monk> sorry to say its true
[14:37] <uroborus> i don't think i know enough to vote...just found out
[14:37] <monk> not to scare ya
[14:37] <uroborus> gap, any progress...or waiting for reply?
[14:38] <monk> sapphire: Whats your url to your site
[14:38] <gap_mouthed> wait..
[14:39] <Jeremy> 299 days left till May 15th
[14:39] <sapphire> www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html
[14:39] <monk> thank you
[14:39] <uroborus> prob half the people who come in here say this..but i have had strange feeling that something big was going to happen
[14:40] <uroborus> no dreams or visions, just an undermining sense that I didn't know what was going on
[14:40] <uroborus> but others did
[14:40] <monk> Nancy Lieder is mentally ill: 44.55%
[14:40] <monk> Nancy Lieder is a con-artist: 33.66%
[14:40] <monk> Nancy Lieder speaks the truth: 21.78%
[14:40] <IQx[A]> Where do you get those percentages ?
[14:41] <monk> http://www.skepticalmind.com/pollpage.shtml?survey4772
[14:41] <obany> time goes fast, that's for sure
[14:41] <IQx[A]> I see
[14:41] <obany> sometimes to fast
[14:41] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: There is a script for that, http://iqx.cjb.net and choose EarthChanges website (which is not updated anymore)
[14:41] <Jeremy> uroborus: A few new people told me they felt they had an intuition about this
[14:41] <monk> uroborus:were all connected as one ur feeling is right on
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[14:42] <monk> were all pyshic
[14:42] <Angelic> and one psycho
[14:42] <uroborus> yeah, i've come to believe in that connection....i've been circling the idea of how the gravity of the earth and sun never let us go
[14:43] <Jeremy> IQx: Is that a new design of your website?
[14:43] <uroborus> and now a new gravity well is here...to awaken the sleeper, i guess
[14:43] <Angelic> <----- away making little food
[14:43] <gap_mouthed> http://www.skyspy.tv/images/ans6.jpg
[14:43] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: The portal yes, the other part no (simply images missing and I do not wish to upload them)
[14:43] <monk> Im just trying to understand why i can see the future and i cant change it but i have freewill its wierd
[14:43] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: http://162.83.128.35:8000 if you wish to see the old site in its glory
[14:43] <uroborus> jeremy, did you have an intuition, or just find out by chance?
[14:44] <uroborus> whoah, monk, *not knowing quite what to say*
[14:45] <gap_mouthed> you use a lot of css?
[14:45] <gap_mouthed> right?
[14:45] <Jeremy> uroborus: I've following this for a long while, and I believe the pole shift will occur next year for a combination of reasons, but intuition, yes is one of them
[14:45] <gap_mouthed> or not?
[14:45] <IQx[A]> gap_mouthed: Whom are you speaking to ?
[14:45] <obany> brb
[14:45] <gap_mouthed> to you
[14:46] <uroborus> when i was 12, i almost died and had a series of strange dreams that seemed to show me things i had never seen awake
[14:46] <uroborus> this was not one of them, though
[14:46] <Jeremy> IQx: Why is there a login and password field on your front page?
[14:46] <uroborus> at least, i didn't recognize it...
[14:46] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: Because theres a member area
[14:46] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: try http://162.83.128.35:8000 instead
[14:47] <uroborus> Jeremy, everyone, did you tell your family and friends?  what reactions so far?
[14:48] <uroborus> i don't know if i should...maybe too much too handle
[14:48] <gap_mouthed> i TOLD..
[14:48] <uroborus> i just showed my girlfriend and she got hostile towards me...like this is my fault
[14:48] <gap_mouthed> cApaS lO ck TrOUble
[14:48] <gap_mouthed> N ever mind..
[14:49] <Jeremy> uroborus: I've told about 10 people face to face so far. Most have listened but not taken it as if it will really happen
[14:49] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: Because possibly there's too little proof.
[14:49] <uroborus> i bet
[14:49] <Jeremy> IQx: Whenever I go to your old site from the Earth Changes menu option, I get a run time error dialog
[14:49] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: Where ? from the portal or from the old site itself ?
[14:50] <uroborus> IQx, is there enough proof for you personally?
[14:50] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: Update your browser, and dont use Netscape =)
[14:50] <IQx[A]> uroborus: no
[14:50] <uroborus> ok...i'm still not sure either...don't want to just buy into something...but so far, I'm uhhh...rattled would be agood word
[14:51] <Jeremy> IQx: Actually both. On the portal I don't see an option to take you to the main site, unless that is what the login and password fields are for
[14:51] <Jeremy> I'm using IE 6
[14:51] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: Mouse over the red sphere right between the tweezers.
[14:52] <Jeremy> uroborus: where are you based?
[14:52] <Jeremy> IQx: ok, thx
[14:52] <uroborus> tulsa, oklahoma
[14:52] <uroborus> for now...
[14:52] <IQx[A]> Jeremy: no problem
[14:53] <gap_mouthed> http://www.skyspy.tv/images/ans6.jpg  I like t he green verry much , you?
[14:53] <uroborus> where are you based, jeremy?
[14:53] <monk> uroborus: I get those dreams to
[14:53] <uroborus> monk, have you told anybody else?
[14:54] <monk> yes
[14:54] <monk> No one believes me
[14:54] <uroborus> did your dreams relate directly, at least to you?
[14:54] <monk> I just keep it to myself now
[14:54] <monk> I dont know what your satyubf
[14:55] <uroborus> wow...i don't know if i could keep this to myself...but i want to do more research
[14:55] <monk> saying
[14:55] <monk> know im understanding the concepts of time
[14:55] <uroborus> did you dream about nibiru or just chaos?
[14:56] <monk> there is actually no past or future
[14:56] <uroborus> only the moment?
[14:56] <Jeremy> I dreamt about PX last night, no joke
[14:56] <uroborus> what happened?
[14:57] * Looking up monk user info...
[14:57] <Jeremy> Just dreamt it was dark and I was by some chain link fence with my binoculars trying to look up at the sky. Strange dream, but I remember feeling afraid
[14:57] <gap_mouthed> Obany are you  with us?
[14:57] [gap_mouthed:#Troubled_Times TIME]
[14:57] <uroborus> jeremy, do you not want to say where your based?  or did i miss it?
[14:57] <Jeremy> I'm in SE London, England
[14:58] <obany> I am here yes
[14:58] <gap_mouthed> Ogimios , are you going to slep?
[14:58] <gap_mouthed> sleep
[14:58] <monk> well i dont remember most of my dreams but i dont remmeber dreaming about planet x
[14:58] <monk> i remember having a dream of a nuke going off
[14:58] <gap_mouthed> What is a Nuke?
[14:58] <obany> gap: a nuclear missile
[14:58] <Angelic> duke nukem
[14:59] <IQx[A]> Angelic: =P
[14:59] <gap_mouthed> wiat .. i made an annimation.
[14:59] <Jeremy> Goodnight all
[14:59] <obany> yeah we know gap
[14:59] <obany> goodnight
[14:59] <Angelic> bye jeremy :)
[14:59] <Jeremy> night
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[14:59] <uroborus> if this is all true...a positive point that I see..maybe i'm naive, but i thin
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[15:00] <uroborus> but i think we have the power, perhaps for the first time, to come out the other side still knowing about the past
[15:00] <uroborus> and able to make a better society
[15:01] <monk> its all for the positive
[15:01] <Angelic> define "better society"
[15:01] <monk> something other then the one we live in :)
[15:01] <IQx[A]> IMHO if PX does come, most will die out.
[15:01] <uroborus> angelic, not sure i'm qualified to define it..but one that isn't based on lies
[15:02] <Angelic> there will be lies after the shift
[15:02] <uroborus> right, monk....this sick circus is getting old
[15:02] <uroborus> angelic, is there any way to fight it?  can we sift the lies and the truth?
[15:02] <IQx[A]> There will be more mess after PoleShift than there is now.
[15:02] <gap_mouthed> http://members.lycos.nl/webhtml/blaster.swf
[15:03] <IQx[A]> Think about it no one to stop you/them, no laws, no society, no morals, no traditions.
[15:03] <Angelic> mad max
[15:03] <uroborus> way beyond thunderdome
[15:03] <Angelic> warlords galore
[15:03] <Angelic> the bully down the block will be breathing down your neck
[15:04] <uroborus> do the decent folk will just have to hide?  or can they gather and thrive?
[15:04] <Angelic> and no law stopping him to do whatever he likes
[15:04] <monk> I think the government is going to come out of their holes after this all takes place
[15:04] <monk> our secert government
[15:04] <uroborus> damn, i hope that ain't so
[15:04] <Angelic> they do not have enough men to establish a new usa government
[15:05] <monk> well of course they know of PX and the pole shifts and the safe place is underground
[15:05] <monk> not a usa government
[15:05] <uroborus> anyone ever read the book "LUCIFER'S HAMMER"?
[15:05] <Angelic> well I am off, later chaps
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[15:06] <uroborus> i did last year and now it seems like a possibility
[15:06] <obany> nope i never read it, but i heard about it before, it's about a planet or so right?
[15:06] <uroborus> right, obany..some force beyond the kuyper belt pushes an asteroid into us...
[15:06] <Jenkins3d> not px though
[15:06] <uroborus> not quite the same...but strangely similiar
[15:07] <gap_mouthed> http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[15:07] <gap_mouthed> http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[15:07] <gap_mouthed> http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[15:07] <gap_mouthed> http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[15:07] <Jenkins3d> they cant see that becasue does not reflect any sun light but px does produce some light
[15:08] <gap_mouthed> http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[15:08] <uroborus> I for one have no swiss bank account and can't buy a dome house in alberta...but...
[15:08] <IQx[A]> gap_mouthed: Please do not repeat, thanks.
[15:08] <gap_mouthed> http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[15:08] <gap_mouthed> Iqx
[15:08] <obany> gap_mouthed yeah yeah you don't have to repeat it all of the time
[15:09] <gap_mouthed> i didn't
[15:09] <uroborus> gap, what's ur take on the zetas?
[15:09] <IQx[A]> grimbot: You've repeated the same address 6 times in the last 10 seconds
[15:09] <gap_mouthed> see/saw it in my balk/text rule
[15:09] <Jenkins3d> and speeking of the goverment...I had the chance to assinate George Bush like 10 minutes ago  which i wouldnt do though...intresthing thing
[15:09] <IQx[A]> not grimbot, gap_mouthed
[15:09] <gap_mouthed> ???
[15:10] <uroborus> do you agree with zetas or disagree?
[15:10] <obany> je zei 6 keer 't zelfde
[15:10] <gap_mouthed> yep
[15:10] <Jenkins3d> it was really cool...Marine one flew fright over my house
[15:10] <uroborus> looked thru the site earlier, still looking for the top of my head...hehe
[15:10] <gap_mouthed> obany: i didn't see it in my .... "balk"
[15:11] <gap_mouthed> copy it , and past it
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[15:11] <uroborus> jenkins, why didn't you whip out the stinger?
[15:11] <sapphire> jenkinsed: yes the stinger
[15:11] <cmel> hi
[15:11] <uroborus> not into homicide, jenkins?
[15:11] <uroborus> hi cmel
[15:12] <Jenkins3d> lol...there was a rifle thing right next to me...i dont know how to use it though
[15:12] <sapphire> it was decoy, "they" were just testing you
[15:12] <uroborus> lmao
[15:12] <cmel> lmao = ??
[15:12] <uroborus> laugh my ass off
[15:12] <cmel> ok hehe
[15:12] <uroborus> vulgar american that i am
[15:13] <cmel> I'm just a vulgar european
[15:13] <cmel> myself
[15:13] <cmel> hehe
[15:13] <uroborus> haha
[15:13] <IQx[A]> vulgar human
[15:13] <cmel> you think Iq
[15:13] <uroborus> cmel, do you think it's true?
[15:13] <gap_mouthed> obany : do you know  this picture..   http://www.skyspy.tv/images/ans6.jpg     ?
[15:14] <cmel> well I'm at 50%
[15:14] <uroborus> anyone here work at an observatory?
[15:14] <gap_mouthed> i not
[15:14] <obany> gap: it's from Ans Hoornweg who is well FAKE
[15:14] <uroborus> cmel, i'm now up to 75%
[15:14] <cmel> one hour I do then the next I dont
[15:15] <gap_mouthed> obany: why ..?
[15:15] <uroborus> cmel, i've been online for 9 hours straight because yesterday was the first i heard
[15:16] <cmel> ok uro... :)
[15:16] <sapphire> wow, where did you here from yesterday?
[15:16] <uroborus> looking for proof...
[15:16] * Looking up uroborus user info...
[15:16] <uroborus> sapphire, on toolband.com
[15:16] <cmel> well proof is hard to find ... believe me
[15:16] <sapphire> oh, yes i saw that
[15:16] <obany> talking about consciouss contact etc.. and about other things ... I heard, read about her and i didn't trust it .. it doesn't feel right to me
[15:17] <uroborus> at first, i thought tool was just jerking our chains...y'know
[15:17] <sapphire> that was my first impression
[15:17] <cmel>  tool ??
[15:17] <gap_mouthed> To my knowledge ...one of the things
[15:17] <gap_mouthed> she represent to the
[15:17] <gap_mouthed> Photo's
[15:17] <uroborus> it's a very progressive rock band...music is great
[15:17] <gap_mouthed> It  is
[15:17] <gap_mouthed> OR  ONE OF THE MOST ..
[15:18] <cmel> tool
[15:18] <gap_mouthed> better understanding of the human aura
[15:18] <cmel> you say
[15:18] <gap_mouthed> it looks gold
[15:18] <obany> oo come on gap_mouthed .. i know some stuff about ufo related things .. and she is fake
[15:18] <uroborus> gap, gold all the time, or changing/
[15:18] <cmel> just like Nirvana, I'm a fan of them
[15:18] <cmel> ??
[15:18] <gap_mouthed> I saw myself that the aura of human . is gol looking
[15:18] <gap_mouthed> gold
[15:19] <gap_mouthed> monk?
[15:19] <gap_mouthed> you
[15:19] <monk> I dont see the aura gold
[15:19] <monk> I see it as a gray
[15:19] <cmel> just a sec
[15:19] <gap_mouthed> blue?
[15:19] <monk> my friend said he sees it blue
[15:19] <uroborus> cmel, pick up the Lateralus CD by tool...they know
[15:19] <gap_mouthed> gray ..in away like underwater?
[15:19] <cmel> back
[15:19] <monk> ?
[15:19] <gap_mouthed> when the sun shine's !00% ?
[15:20] <gap_mouthed> 100%
[15:20] <cmel> ok uro...
[15:20] <monk> I think i see it gray because i cant see the specturm ?
[15:20] <uroborus> sapphire, i think those four guys will be prepared
[15:20] <uroborus> they have enough money
[15:21] <monk> I see auras of everything i even see auras of stuff on tv and computer screens
[15:21] <cmel> hehe monk buy a nightscope ... migh help
[15:21] <gap_mouthed> yeah , that is right
[15:21] <gap_mouthed> but the human aura..
[15:21] <gap_mouthed> has on the head
[15:21] <uroborus> monk, do you get impressions or messages from the auras?
[15:22] <monk> no
[15:22] <cmel> buy a scope that has ultraviolet capability
[15:22] <uroborus> gap, i'd like to hear your take, too
[15:22] <gap_mouthed> a sort of straight way to the air ...
[15:22] <cmel> :)
[15:22] <gap_mouthed> represented by the indians
[15:22] <monk> let me check in the mirror at myself brb
[15:22] <gap_mouthed> as their head toy with bird (veren)
[15:23] <gap_mouthed> also like th e aboriganols...
[15:23] <gap_mouthed> with their white
[15:24] <gap_mouthed> marks .. on their faces
[15:24] <gap_mouthed> represent the aura
[15:24] <gap_mouthed> of human
[15:24] <gap_mouthed> energie lines
[15:24] <cmel> so uro. from netherlands ???
[15:24] <gap_mouthed> chakra's
[15:24] <gap_mouthed> i am
[15:25] <uroborus> cmel, in usa...oklahoma
[15:25] <cmel> most are
[15:25] <cmel> ok, my mistake ... hehe
[15:25] <monk> i always thought that auras was like the soul of someone heh
[15:25] <cmel> no it's just an energyfield
[15:25] <uroborus> gap, everyone, ever seen any art by ALEX GREY?
[15:26] <monk> yea i understand that now
[15:26] <uroborus> he paints about chakras and energy lines
[15:26] <gap_mouthed> no , i think i didn't heard.. of ALEX GREY
[15:26] <gap_mouthed> gray also ..hehe f unyy
[15:27] <uroborus> 2 good books: Sacred Mirrors and Transfigurations
[15:27] <gap_mouthed> thx uroborus
[15:27] <uroborus> he has a website, too...don't know it right now
[15:28] <uroborus> anyone in the netherlands prepared?
[15:28] <cmel> well at least they shouldn't stay there
[15:29] <gap_mouthed> http://www.skyspy.tv/images/ans2.jpg
[15:29] <cmel> I know I'm in the same boat pretty much,
[15:29] <gap_mouthed> obany , this is what i mean..
[15:29] <gap_mouthed> This will be the greatest discovery of human kind..
[15:30] <uroborus> yeah, in a way...this is the most exciting time to be alive and breathing
[15:30] <gap_mouthed> That is what the Egyptian PEOPLE TOLD US..
[15:30] <obany> gap as i said i have seen or read more about that woman and she is fake
[15:30] <obany> Not real
[15:30] <cmel> but not a good time to have kids though
[15:31] <uroborus> i don't have any...but my family..some small ones there
[15:31] <gap_mouthed> That can't be Fake!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:31] <monk> i agree this is a great time
[15:31] <gap_mouthed> Obany , you think you don't have an aura?
[15:31] <cmel> yeah in my family too, my cousin
[15:32] <uroborus> obany, not that I'm on anyone's side, but what would she gain from faking?  fame?
[15:32] <gap_mouthed> Jomanda , is telling the truth..
[15:32] <cmel> nice q urob...
[15:32] <monk> zetatalk makes total sense to me
[15:32] <obany> and how do you know that for sure .. that how that can be fake .. It is gap.. if you read about her story and you know that from other contactees etc.. then one would know she is faking
[15:33] <gap_mouthed> Names pls, obany
[15:33] <obany> uroburos: i haven't heard from that woman for some time
[15:33] <monk> im 99% sure zetatalk says is true
[15:33] <cmel> well obany I thnik I'm a contactee, and I doubt
[15:33] <cmel> think
[15:33] <uroborus> obany, are you talking about Nancy or Jomanda?  confused
[15:34] <obany> I am talking about someone else here.. about a dutch woman called Ans Hoornweg.
[15:34] <uroborus> oh...my bad...i'm slow
[15:34] <cmel> don't know that woman
[15:35] <uroborus> not trying to be rude, but some dutch names look funny
[15:35] <uroborus> Hoornweg is one of them
[15:35] <cmel> hehe
[15:35] <gap_mouthed> I called Ans..
[15:35] <gap_mouthed> You...?
[15:36] <obany> cmel: she is not a contactee but did you read, or heard about Hila Mulsch ... a dutch regession therapist. Dutch people who visited her and she helped them with their expierences or so
[15:36] <gap_mouthed> Hilda Mush..
[15:36] <cmel> no didn't hear about her obany
[15:37] <cmel> but I'll check up
[15:37] <obany> http://www.abduct.com/books/b02.htm i used to have this book at home
[15:37] <obany> interresting book
[15:38] <obany> she even had a dream in wich she heard the word zeta reticuli or so spelled
[15:38] <obany> http://anw.com/KC/
[15:39] <gap_mouthed> Well, obany , when do you think when the zeta's say: "whe  she colors" ...
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[15:39] <gap_mouthed> they mean the aura ..like Ans says..
[15:40] <obany> ooh come on .. you even think that Jomanda is right all of the time
[15:40] <obany> and now you think that Ans spoke the truth
[15:40] <gap_mouthed> YES
[15:40] <gap_mouthed> They are in th known..
[15:40] <obany> Ans aint
[15:41] <gap_mouthed> Ans also
[15:41] <gap_mouthed> definetly
[15:41] <uroborus> all this time, i was looking for conspiracies...i guess i found one
[15:41] <obany> NO gap_mouthed
[15:41] <gap_mouthed> before ZT says
[15:41] <gap_mouthed> The vatican is in the known..
[15:41] * cmel slaps himself around 4 a bit, with a large trout
[15:41] <obany> Ans is not in the known, She ain't a real contactee
[15:42] <uroborus> monk, good to hear your excited bout this,too...how did you come to it?
[15:42] <cmel> the vatican is though
[15:42] <gap_mouthed> She told myself !!
[15:42] <uroborus> cmel, is that good or bad?
[15:42] <cmel> which thing the trout thing ??
[15:43] <uroborus>  ; ), the planetx thing
[15:43] <obany> gap_mouthed: yes, and what does that proof
[15:43] <cmel> hehe ... sorry
[15:43] <cmel> PX is a bad thing
[15:43] <uroborus> is it good or bad that the vatican is in the know?
[15:43] <cmel> at least in my book
[15:43] <cmel> :(
[15:44] <uroborus> will th