Session Start: Sun Jul 21 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
[00:00] <SnookPoon> The economy was a subject was there anything else
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[00:01] <SnookPoon> hey monk
[00:01] <monk> hi
[00:02] <Angelic> monk can you update snookpoon about the nancychat? I am going to bed
[00:02] <SnookPoon> were you around yesterday for NancyL session?
[00:02] <monk> yes
[00:02] <SnookPoon> Goodnight Angelic
[00:03] <Angelic> g'night
[00:03] <monk> I dont know I dont got the log and a very good memoru
[00:03] <monk> memory
[00:03] <monk> I know some of what she said
[00:04] <SnookPoon> What was it mostly about?
[00:04] <monk> I asked 2 questions she answered
[00:05] <monk> she talked about the stock market
[00:05] <monk> how theres gonna be a crash
[00:05] <monk> like in 1929
[00:05] <monk> but the difference this time is that it wont come back to normal
[00:05] <SnookPoon> That's pretty obvious to most everyone
[00:05] <monk> and a depression is going to go on
[00:05] <monk> well yea
[00:06] <SnookPoon> anything else?
[00:06] <monk> I asked if our negative thoughts could harm the zetas she said no only you can hurt yourself and dont think of em
[00:07] * Looking up sapphire user info...
[00:07] <monk> the rest is a blur ...sorry i smoked alot of weed in my life
[00:08] <SnookPoon> don't think of the zetas or negative thoughts?
[00:08] <monk> negative thoughts
[00:08] <SnookPoon> Ok
[00:08] <monk> she had 3 personal question she asked the zetas
[00:08] <SnookPoon> I know how you feel
[00:09] <SnookPoon> I am forgeting more and more all the time
[00:09] <monk> Im just glad that our memorys will never be forgotten
[00:10] <monk> she talked about roswell
[00:10] <SnookPoon> Well if I can't remember some of them now how will I in the future?
[00:10] <SnookPoon> What about roswell?
[00:10] <monk> well your higher self never forgets :)
[00:10] <SnookPoon> Oh yeah
[00:10] <monk> maybe when we transform into the 4th dentisy our memory will get better
[00:12] <SnookPoon> The news today was...
[00:12] <monk> I think everything she said is old news and is on the webpage
[00:12] <SnookPoon>  Five year drought continues in the southern US. Aiken River and others in SC may run dry soon
[00:12] <SnookPoon> China has big locus problem biggest ever
[00:12] <monk> yea whats new
[00:13] <SnookPoon> 1/3 of India under water
[00:13] <monk> ?!?1
[00:13] <SnookPoon> from monsoons
[00:13] <monk> 1/3 of india under water?
[00:14] <SnookPoon> That's waht they said
[00:14] <monk> wow
[00:14] <monk> closer and closer each day
[00:14] <SnookPoon> then there were all kinds of huricanies over around and in Japan
[00:15] <monk> Only thing that gets me through the day is knowing it will be better
[00:15] <monk> after all this shit is past i believe we will live in peace
[00:15] <SnookPoon> I hope so
[00:16] <monk> 1000 years of peace is it ?
[00:16] <monk> :)
[00:16] <SnookPoon> I don't know....Sounds like caous to me
[00:16] <monk> after a couple thousand years of suffering
[00:16] <SnookPoon> chaos
[00:17] <monk> might seem like chaos more and more everyday
[00:17] <monk> today on the news i heard a mother left her 6 month child in a car for 8 hours and it died
[00:18] <SnookPoon> Yeah, It is very interesting to watch at this point
[00:18] <monk> I think its karma of the world probaly all coming out
[00:18] <monk> alot of suffering
[00:18] <SnookPoon> Some guy did that too and was just convicted...he was inside wathing TV and forgot about the kid
[00:19] <SnookPoon> They got him for involuntary manslaughter
[00:21] <SnookPoon> Yeah...and it only looks like it will get worse before it gets better
[00:21] <monk> I think once alot of people are dead after planet x comes by there will be a great change
[00:21] <monk> for the better
[00:21] <SnookPoon> I hope
[00:22] <monk> less people would make it easier for us to transform into the 4th dentisy
[00:23] <monk> we gotta do it together and i think 6 billion people wont be on the same level
[00:23] <monk> so if 90% of them die off it will be easier
[00:23] <SnookPoon> Was she on the rampage about IMO or anyone
[00:23] <SnookPoon> yeah
[00:23] <monk> Yea i think she talked about IMO
[00:23] <monk> what does it mean
[00:23] <monk> IMO
[00:24] <SnookPoon> just tough to handle all the death and suffering
[00:24] <SnookPoon> In My Opinion
[00:24] <SnookPoon> I think
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[00:25] <SnookPoon> That is what I saw on sci.astro
[00:25] <monk> I cry becuase of the suffering
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[00:25] <monk> hi jeremy
[00:25] <SnookPoon> I think about it a lot and it makes me sad for my kids
[00:26] <SnookPoon> mostly
[00:26] <Jeremy> Hi Monk
[00:26] <monk> but i just look at it the master plan
[00:26] <monk> then it makes me happier
[00:27] <Jeremy> Can anyone tell me roughly how many people attended the ZT IRC session?
[00:27] <SnookPoon> I was not there
[00:27] <Jeremy> oh
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[00:28] <SnookPoon> monk was
[00:28] <monk> like 65 people at the most
[00:28] <monk> 53 at the start
[00:28] <Jeremy> right, thx
[00:28] <monk> there was a server split tho
[00:28] <Jeremy> oh
[00:29] <SnookPoon> what's that
[00:29] <monk> like 12 people in it i guess...
[00:29] <monk> I dont know what exactly causes it
[00:29] <Jeremy> SnookPoon, do you consider that PX could return next year?
[00:29] <monk> but its like were here and a different group of people in the same channel but we cant see them they cant see us
[00:30] <monk> im lucky i was on the same side as nancy
[00:30] <SnookPoon> I consider it but go bcak and forth as to if I believe Nancy or not
[00:30] <SnookPoon> back
[00:30] <monk> just not nancy saying it
[00:30] <Jeremy> ok
[00:30] <monk> over 500 prophets talk about planet x
[00:30] <SnookPoon> Last week I think she came across as kind mad(hate) and nuts
[00:30] <monk> many ancient myths about planet x
[00:31] <monk> yea i read the log she kinda go mad
[00:31] <monk> but disinformation i would get mad to
[00:31] <SnookPoon> I was there and it left me with a bad taste
[00:32] <SnookPoon> If I knew I was right I wouldn't worry about the critisim
[00:32] <SnookPoon> I think anyway
[00:32] <monk> I been reading the zetatalk webpage
[00:32] <Jeremy> A few new visitors to this channel mentioned they have an intuition, or a funny feeling, that something will happen next year.
[00:32] <monk> and i know she couldn't make all that stuff up
[00:33] <SnookPoon> I'm scared to even talk to anyone including my wife about it bcause she will think I'm nuts for even considering it
[00:33] <monk> because it all makes total sense
[00:33] <monk> you should be open with your wife
[00:34] <Jeremy> SnookPoon: I agree, its hard to talk about this subject in mainstream every day life
[00:34] <SnookPoon> There is a lot there and most of it is the way I thought things might be anyway before I read it
[00:34] <SnookPoon> espically with organized religion
[00:35] <SnookPoon> my wife: No..No She worries to much as it is
[00:35] <monk> I know how it is
[00:35] <SnookPoon> Then she would be worrying about my head
[00:35] <monk> alot of people are asleep
[00:35] <monk> just like the martix
[00:35] <monk> matrix
[00:35] <monk> were enslaved
[00:35] <monk> if u were in the matrix would u believe it ?
[00:36] <SnookPoon> It's better that I just prepare in secerete and then when the time comes just go camping
[00:36] <monk> have u ever watched the movie?
[00:36] <SnookPoon> yes
[00:36] <SnookPoon> it was good
[00:36] <monk> good metapor
[00:36] <monk> thats exactly how the world is today
[00:36] <Jeremy> Remember that line Morpheus says in The Matrix 'How do you know what is real ... ?'
[00:36] <monk> yup
[00:37] <SnookPoon> That's was kind of my theory of life before that movie. That all of life and matter is illision
[00:37] <monk> very intresting
[00:37] <monk> very true
[00:37] <monk> just like how a dream is just as real as life
[00:37] <SnookPoon> If you look at matter it is 99.999999999999% space
[00:37] <monk> and how obe is realer then life
[00:38] <Jeremy> Monk: When do you think you will start preparing?
[00:38] <monk> I tell people that dreams are just as real as life
[00:38] <SnookPoon> Things that really matter after you are gone?.....None of them are physical
[00:38] <monk> they think im crazy
[00:38] <monk> I already got my tent and army sleeping bag all i need now is a supply of food and im going to high ground and go camping
[00:39] <SnookPoon> where do you live monk?
[00:39] <monk> california
[00:39] <monk> USA
[00:39] <SnookPoon> Oh..no
[00:39] <SnookPoon> I'm in Florida hahaha
[00:39] <monk> Im going to Mt. Shasta
[00:40] <monk> I love the volcano
[00:40] <SnookPoon> Isn't that where all LA will go
[00:40] <monk> I dont know if it will be safe up there
[00:40] <monk> but im gonna be alone in the wild
[00:40] <SnookPoon> Mexico is supposed to be a good spot
[00:40] <monk> and if i dont surive oh well
[00:41] <monk> I will just reincarnate into another body
[00:41] <Jeremy> Monk: Right. I have already acquired some survival food, in particular packets of rice that should stay consumable at least until late 2003. I'm stocking up now because preparing in panic will be difficult.
[00:41] <SnookPoon> Jeremy: what about you? Where do you live?
[00:41] <Jeremy> Monk: sorry I meant late 2004 for the rice..
[00:42] <monk> I bought some rations they are great
[00:42] <monk> they have all the vitamens u need
[00:42] <SnookPoon> MRE military?
[00:42] <monk> only a week worth tho a while back
[00:42] <Jeremy> SnookPoon: I live in SE London, England. I expect to relocate to northern England, where the elevation is higher
[00:43] <monk> The rations are heavy tho
[00:43] <SnookPoon> Will England be a warm place afterwards
[00:43] <monk> Only problem for me is i dont got a car
[00:43] <Jeremy> SnookPoon: Much warmer, yes. Maybe even tropical!
[00:43] <monk> and its gonna be hard to transport alot of supplies
[00:43] <SnookPoon> California will be tropical as well
[00:44] <Jeremy> monk: will you form or join a survival group in time?
[00:44] <monk> There are alot of caves under the place im going
[00:44] <SnookPoon> I'm thinking about heading as far westa s possible maybe Montana
[00:44] <monk> I dont think i would join a survival group
[00:44] <monk> I might ask my family if they wanna come with me
[00:44] <monk> but they wouldn't and think im nutz
[00:45] <monk> I hope my brother comes with me tho
[00:45] <Jeremy> monk: Don't you think it will be really tough surviving on your own .. as well as lonely?
[00:45] <SnookPoon> I'm not sure how you would know to trust a survival group
[00:45] <monk> thats the point
[00:45] <monk> I will only join one if i turst the people
[00:45] <monk> most of the people i knew have backstabed me
[00:46] <monk> its hard to turst people after what i have been through
[00:46] <SnookPoon> If you give them money now and depend on someone else then you might find yourelf out of luck
[00:46] <monk> Only if I join a STO group
[00:46] <Jeremy> Maybe thats why it's a good idea to get to know more people now, even if only on a social basis, so that when the time comes you'll know if they are trustworthy candidates for your survival community
[00:46] <SnookPoon> How do you know if the group is STO orSTS
[00:47] <SnookPoon> Have you joined a survival group?
[00:47] <monk> No
[00:47] <SnookPoon> Jeremy?
[00:47] <Jeremy> I aim to form a group, but I am still a little apprehensive at this stage
[00:48] <monk> If im on my own i will just meditate alot
[00:48] <SnookPoon> Where do you look for people?
[00:48] <Jeremy> Perhaps earth changes will intesify by the end of the year, which may convince folks that the PX 2003 scenario is a definite possibility
[00:48] <SnookPoon> Who do you ask without them looking at you and saying WHAAAAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
[00:49] <monk> Maybe you can talk to your close friends
[00:49] <SnookPoon> That will be too late then to be really prepared
[00:49] <SnookPoon> Even my close friends would think I'm nuts
[00:50] <monk> I know only one person who is as nutz as me :)
[00:50] <Jeremy> Where do you live SnookPoon?
[00:51] <SnookPoon> If you were going to do it right you would stock ponds with certain types of fish, build windmills, stock 10 years worth of caned foods ect.
[00:51] <SnookPoon> That all takes time
[00:51] <Jeremy> yes indeed
[00:51] <SnookPoon> The more people you involve the more time it takes
[00:51] <monk> maybe buy seeds for plants
[00:52] <monk> also the more people you involve the more resources are taken
[00:52] <Jeremy> SnookPoon, do you live in the eastern US?
[00:52] <SnookPoon> Yes preserve and vacume pack all kinds of seeds
[00:52] <SnookPoon> Yes, Florida
[00:52] <monk> Im no a selfish person but some people are
[00:52] <monk> and who knows they might take advantage of you
[00:52] <SnookPoon> When faced with starvation probably most re selfish
[00:53] <SnookPoon> Many will kill you to survive
[00:53] <monk> If I was in a group i would put all before me
[00:53] <SnookPoon> So then you need many guns and ammunition
[00:53] <monk> I think thats a bad idea
[00:54] <monk> I wont have any guns
[00:54] <SnookPoon> Others will have guns and if you don't have them you will have no protection
[00:54] <monk> id rather die then
[00:54] <SnookPoon> Just look at Africa now and that's how invision it being
[00:55] <Jeremy> Did you know that 15 people were killed by giant hailstones in a severe storm in China on Friday?
[00:55] <SnookPoon> Those with guns steal and control all the food from those who are starving
[00:55] <SnookPoon> Yes, I heard that
[00:55] <monk> Thats why im going deep in the forest
[00:55] <SnookPoon> The size of eggs?
[00:56] <Jeremy> yes, so the CNN article says where I read about it
[00:56] <SnookPoon> That might be a good strategy for a short time
[00:56] <SnookPoon> You can't live by yourself forever
[00:56] <monk> Im never alone heh
[00:56] <monk> theres always angels around me
[00:57] <SnookPoon> We all need social interaction to be healthy and whole
[00:57] <monk> Thats why i hope my brother will come with me
[00:57] <SnookPoon> Yes, I think I've been saved more than once in my life by a few
[00:57] <SnookPoon> I'm not sure why
[00:57] <monk> I see them
[00:58] <monk> I see shadow people , orbs and stuff
[00:58] <SnookPoon> I've never seen anything supernatural
[00:58] <Jeremy> So many areas of the world have been flooded in the past couple of years, mainly due to excessive rainfall, that it's more than a coincidence to me
[00:58] <SnookPoon> unlucky I guess
[00:58] <monk> surprising when u relize how many are around u at one time
[00:58] <SnookPoon> Yuo think so Jeremy
[00:59] <monk> I believe there are trillions of angels all around us
[00:59] <SnookPoon> I hope so i need all the help I can get!!
[00:59] <monk> just ask for the help
[00:59] <Jeremy> SnookPoon: Definitely, we had many severe floods here in England last year for example
[00:59] <monk> make sure its postive help
[01:00] <SnookPoon> The southeast US is in a sever drought
[01:00] <SnookPoon> severe
[01:00] <SnookPoon> Texas has big floods
[01:00] <Jeremy> yeah
[01:01] <SnookPoon> India, 1/3 under water
[01:01] <monk> on artbell jeff noray did a experiment to take out the fires
[01:01] <SnookPoon> from monssons
[01:01] <monk> in the west of usa
[01:01] <monk> by thinking of rain
[01:01] <SnookPoon> what was that?
[01:01] <monk> maybe that is causing the floods
[01:01] <SnookPoon> Ohhh, yes
[01:01] <SnookPoon> I was listening
[01:01] <monk> I dont know
[01:01] <monk> I was thinking of rain to
[01:02] <monk> who knows
[01:02] <SnookPoon> China also has the worst locus invasion ever going on right now
[01:02] <monk> I just know the power of the mind
[01:02] <SnookPoon> I think that is true
[01:03] <monk> I think thats one thing that will help me surive
[01:03] <monk> the power of my mind
[01:03] <Jeremy> I know you have found ZT just recently, monk, but when did you discover it SnookPoon?
[01:03] <SnookPoon> Yes your attitude is important
[01:03] <monk> maybe i will learn how to create matter with my mind
[01:04] <SnookPoon> one month ago
[01:04] <Jeremy> right
[01:04] <SnookPoon> I'm am not sure though
[01:04] <monk> I read zetatalk before couple days ago i believe
[01:05] <monk> but i just started getting real intrested in it a couple days ago
[01:05] <monk> I have read so much stuff about all this stuff
[01:05] <SnookPoon> Nanacy, kind of gave me a bad feeling last week
[01:06] <monk> I know im evolving ever since i started reading spiritual stuff
[01:06] <monk> I have been seeing spirits angels knowing the future before it happens and having dreams of the future
[01:07] <Jeremy> monk: Have any of your dreams had a cataclysmic theme?
[01:07] <monk> and seeing auras
[01:07] <monk> yes
[01:07] <monk> wierd one
[01:07] <monk> I was at a party
[01:07] <monk> having a good time
[01:07] <monk> then I see a nucluer bomb go off
[01:08] <monk> then the dream restarts i guess
[01:08] <monk> then im back at the party
[01:08] <monk> but this time its a different path
[01:08] <monk> but the nuke still goes off
[01:08] <monk> I dont know what to think of it
[01:09] <monk> that we might change the minor future but the major future events will still happen whatever we do is one look at it
[01:09] <Jeremy> i see
[01:10] <monk> I had a few times
[01:10] <monk> who knows i might have had it alot of times i only remember like one dream a night
[01:11] <SnookPoon> What things have you dreamed about that came true
[01:11] <monk> I was with my friend and his moms boy friend was driving us to buy some weed
[01:11] <monk> the part of the dream i remember is going by a bridge
[01:11] <monk> which we did go by
[01:12] <monk> like a few weeks before it even happened
[01:12] <monk> it really scared me
[01:12] <SnookPoon> That is kind of cool
[01:12] <monk> you ever go some place new and have a sense that u already knew of it ?
[01:12] <monk> or see new people and sense that u already knew them
[01:13] <monk> thats been happening to me like everyday now
[01:13] <SnookPoon> Yeah, dejavu or something like that
[01:13] <monk> yes
[01:13] <monk> it happened today
[01:13] <SnookPoon> It happens to me sometimes
[01:13] <monk> seems like its happening everyday now
[01:13] <SnookPoon> not that often latley though
[01:14] <monk> time is an illusion tho
[01:14] <monk> there is no past or future but only the eternal present
[01:14] <SnookPoon> Yes it is!
[01:14] <monk> it still kinda scares me a little tho heh
[01:14] <SnookPoon> I think alot about time
[01:15] <monk> They say we can change our future but when i see the future in my dreams and it comes true i dont know what to think anymore
[01:15] <monk> and we have freewill
[01:15] <Jeremy> I've often wondered how many people know about/have visited the ZetaTalk website
[01:15] <SnookPoon> I  don't know
[01:16] <monk> sometimes i get confused with new stuff i learn and i think ialready knew it but im just having dejavu
[01:16] <SnookPoon> I gave the call to the Zteas many times and have no repsonse
[01:16] <monk> maybe they did answer you but you dont relize it ?
[01:16] <monk> just like dreams u forget
[01:17] <monk> who knows
[01:17] <SnookPoon> I keeping asking if it's true how can I help and get no reponse
[01:17] <SnookPoon> No...I don't think they did or I would have some clue
[01:18] <monk> maybe they came in a dream but you cant remember it just a idea
[01:19] <SnookPoon> I did wake up one morning and had the idea to go buy larger shipping containers to store food and ride out the shift inside
[01:20] <SnookPoon> Then I read  aweek later the same idea in troubled times
[01:20] <monk> You should always follow your first instinct
[01:20] <Jeremy> I've bought plastic containers to store my gear, but I might need to wrap in them in a spongy material or something similar, for extra protection
[01:20] <monk> mostly the right one
[01:21] <SnookPoon> You should seal them with caulk
[01:21] <monk> I got my hiking pack army sleeping bag and a tent thats all so far
[01:21] <Jeremy> SnookPoon: What is caulk?
[01:21] <SnookPoon> The big rubbermaid garbage cans would be good for string stuff
[01:22] <monk> but 50 + pounts on your back will get tuff
[01:22] <SnookPoon> storing
[01:22] <monk> pounds
[01:22] <SnookPoon> Sealer for a house
[01:22] <SnookPoon> around windows and doors
[01:22] <Jeremy> ok
[01:22] <SnookPoon> silicon
[01:22] <Jeremy> ah yes
[01:23] <SnookPoon> you should seal the garbage cans and burry them
[01:23] <Jeremy> But we also need impact protection for the boxes, which is why I still need to get some sort of sponge
[01:23] <SnookPoon> No... not for food
[01:24] <SnookPoon> If you pack it tightly in the container only the container will move
[01:24] <Jeremy> The container may get thrown into the air during the quakes
[01:24] <Jeremy> or severely rattled on the ground
[01:25] <SnookPoon> or just put those styrofaom peanuts in there
[01:25] <SnookPoon> burry it
[01:25] <Jeremy> The quakes might crush the container if you bury it
[01:25] <SnookPoon> maybe
[01:26] <monk> your house might be crushed to the ground to
[01:26] <Jeremy> yeah
[01:26] <monk> or you might be under water
[01:26] <SnookPoon> The big shipping container that's 40X15 feet is the best solution I can think of
[01:26] <Jeremy> I'd also like to get a large net to put over my conatiners, that could also be used as a fishing net in the aftertime (post pole shift period)
[01:27] <monk> I think the best bet is where nancy will be has anyone asked where she will be ?
[01:27] <SnookPoon> Yes, acast net
[01:27] <SnookPoon> I don't know where Nancy will be
[01:27] <monk> maybe in wisconsin
[01:28] <monk> where the zetas told her to move
[01:28] <SnookPoon> maybe
[01:28] <monk> central america they said was a good spot
[01:28] <monk> alot of farm land
[01:28] <SnookPoon> That will be close to the south pole
[01:28] <monk> away from the oceans
[01:29] <SnookPoon> or north pole
[01:29] <SnookPoon> very cold
[01:29] <monk> I heard the north pole is already in russia
[01:29] <monk> maybe further now
[01:29] <SnookPoon> Magnetic is in Canada but moving towards russia
[01:30] <Jeremy> monk: are you referring to Costa Rica, Nicaragua, etc when you mentioned central America?
[01:30] <monk> I was refering to mousrui wisconsin kansas
[01:30] <monk> the farm lands of usa
[01:31] <Jeremy> If you read the Safe Locations document, it says much of the mid-West is in danger from flooding after the shift; Iowa for example
[01:31] <SnookPoon> I was thinking you were talking about below Mexico
[01:31] <SnookPoon> You mean central US
[01:31] <monk> yea
[01:33] <Jeremy> Read the first sentence about Iowa in the Safe Locs document to see what I am getting at
[01:33] <SnookPoon> I was thinking about maybe Kentucky or a few hundred miles wast of the mountains in Montana
[01:33] <SnookPoon> west
[01:33] <SnookPoon> east I mean
[01:34] <monk> Im not even going to worry about the safe spots they say im going to Mt Shasta and tuff it out :)
[01:34] <monk> I been planing to go there anyways before i discovered zetatalk
[01:35] <monk> Theres the city of telos underground of mt shasta
[01:35] <monk> and alot of underground tunnels
[01:35] <monk> i can probaly live in a cave
[01:35] <Jeremy> From Safe Locs document: "Lying between the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, Iowa will find itself underwater during the deluges that accompany the pole shift. It will take many weeks for the water to drain away.."
[01:38] <SnookPoon> I have to go but I've enjoyed chatting with you both...hope to see you here again!
[01:38] <Jeremy> see you, SnookPoon
[01:38] <SnookPoon> bye
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[01:40] <Jeremy> i've got so much more work to do where preparing is concerned
[01:40] <Jeremy> anyone here still?
[01:41] <monk> yes
[01:41] <Jeremy> ok :)
[01:41] <monk> its good that u believe
[01:41] <monk> we are the ones who are gonna make it
[01:41] <Jeremy> I've believed for some time now, but I have a growing intuition that this calamity will happen
[01:42] <Jeremy> stay on the STO path, and we should be ok
[01:42] <monk> yea I been on the sto path for sometime now
[01:43] <monk> even before i learned of what service to other and service to self was all about about
[01:43] <Jeremy> You told me the other day you considered yourself STS in the past, but now moving towards STO
[01:43] <monk> Im only 18
[01:43] <Jeremy> oh
[01:43] <monk> I was a very selfish teenager kinda
[01:44] <Jeremy> Where is Riverside in CA?
[01:44] <monk> San Bernardino
[01:44] <monk> South of Los Angelas
[01:44] <Jeremy> ah
[01:44] <monk> This is where i was born
[01:44] <Jeremy> I was in LA back in June. Stayed in Venice for five days
[01:44] <monk> actually i live like a few miles away from the hospital
[01:45] <monk> Im living with my grand mother now
[01:45] <monk> just moved in a week ago
[01:45] <Jeremy> i see
[01:45] <monk> I used to live in san bernardino
[01:46] <monk> The place i plan on going is northern california 60 miles below oregan
[01:46] <Jeremy> near Mt Shasta?
[01:46] <monk> Mt shasta itself
[01:46] <monk> I already got the map of the mountain
[01:47] <monk> I been there already 2 times
[01:47] <Jeremy> You might want to investigate the safety of that place where surviving the shift is concerned
[01:47] <monk> I dont care really im just gonna have faith
[01:48] <Jeremy> Has this year gone quickly so far for you?
[01:48] <monk> yes
[01:48] <Jeremy> has for me
[01:49] <Jeremy> And now only 9 months roughly until the passage is expected to occur
[01:49] <monk> Terrance Mckenna said that from like year 1998 to 2012 more stuff will happen
[01:49] <monk> since the bigbang
[01:50] <Jeremy> quite a few channels and prophets out there
[01:50] <monk> he did alot of dmt and acid
[01:50] <monk> and that kinda stuff
[01:51] <monk> He callulated the year 2012 dec 21 date not even knowing the mayan callender
[01:51] <Jeremy> Sorry I must go now but I will be coming back later, and very likely at 1800 my time, which will be noon your time
[01:51] <monk> Im up kinda late myself
[01:52] <monk> later
[01:52] <Jeremy> bye monk
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[02:45] <monk> hahah
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[02:46] <obaway> back later
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[05:37] <Nol> hi , folks
[05:38] <[3j]> morning
[05:39] <Nol> hi
[05:40] <[3j]> how are you
[05:43] <Nol> oke
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[06:01] <obany> hi nol
[06:05] <Nol> hi
[06:14] <obany> nothing to talk about?
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[06:15] <natas> anyone seen x yet?
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[06:22] <Nol> subject?
[06:22] <Nol> Well, i asked about the moon ..last session...
[06:23] <Nol> I wandered if the zeta's agreed with :"The moon is hollow"
[06:23] <Nol> I read about that in the Ramala book(s)
[06:24] <Nol> But maybe i am wrong...
[06:24] <obany> well Nol, i guess that questions was not important enough
[06:24] <Nol> She did answered... i  thought
[06:25] <obany> ooh wait the moon is hollow, there is a guy in the moon who turns the light on when it get's night
[06:25] <Nol> hehe, funny obany
[06:25] <Nol> hehe
[06:25] <Nol> like a ...lampion
[06:26] <Nol> hehe
[06:26] <Nol> No, Ramal said there was also another moon behind the moon itselfs..
[06:26] <Nol> As i remembered...
[06:27] <obany> i don't think that this is true
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[06:27] <Nol> So ,  i am still intrested if NancyL/Zeta's agrees with that...
[06:27] <obany> i doubt so
[06:28] <Nol> http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm  
[06:28] <Nol> i did a search on "ramala"
[06:30] <Nol> result :  http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx317.htm
[06:30] <obany> ik now ... but that's on troubled times and NOT on zetatalk
[06:31] <Nol> Yeah , oke i still research...and wander why people believe ...source x ....and not source ...y
[06:31] <obany> the moon ain't hollow Nol
[06:32] <Nol> So , it is still..... unclear to me
[06:32] <obany> the moon ain't hollow
[06:32] <Nol> But the paranormal component is true
[06:32] <obany> the moon ain't hollow
[06:32] <Nol> Only now sort out the details/stories..
[06:33] <Nol> Well, maybe the inner core totally burned out??
[06:33] <Nol> hehe, just a theory
[06:34] <Nol> So , i still do my research.... on many topics... as many do..
[06:34] <obany> what comes next, that some creaturs live in side of it
[06:34] <obany> :)
[06:34] <Nol> yep
[06:35] <Nol> but maybe in the 4th density
[06:35] <Nol> Maybe that was Ramala telling/ment
[06:36] <Nol> I don't know... sure...
[06:36] <obany> Nol: from the log
[06:36] <obany> <NancyL> Nol, Moon/Earth are NOT hollow.  This is silly, fanciful.
[06:36] <Nol> But the Ramala books where long before  NancyL
[06:37] <obany> Is from Nancy herself ... And i say the same thing also .. and i think that even Jurian will agree with that
[06:37] <Nol> yEAH. OKE OBANY ..THX
[06:37] <obany> and others
[06:37] <Nol> OOPS
[06:37] <obany> that the moon ain't hollow
[06:37] <Nol> Caps ...
[06:37] <Jurian> nope, it MAY be made out of cheese.. but it aint hollow :p
[06:37] <Nol> Well, i did read some about the impacts on the moon...
[06:38] <obany> what kind of cheese Jurian ? Uniekaas????
[06:38] <Jurian> obviously :p
[06:38] <Jurian> jong belegen
[06:39] <obany> ehehehhe :)
[06:40] <obany> so if you are hungry, .... then you will start to sing fly me too the moon ?? :P
[06:40] <Jurian> YES :P
[06:40] <Jurian> be sure to bring your cheese knife =p
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[06:41] <obany> :)
[06:41] <obany> okay
[06:41] <Nol> So , i still have a burning question...
[06:42] <Nol> Is there a moon behind the moon itself
[06:42] <Nol> ???
[06:42] <obany> NO
[06:42] <obany> don't you know something about astronomy
[06:42] <Nol> On the dark side??
[06:43] <Nol> Maybe it slinge away ...
[06:43] <Jurian> there is no dark side
[06:44] <Nol> I can't remember exactly what Ramala sid , so don't trust my info..
[06:44] <Nol> saidd
[06:44] <Nol> said
[06:44] <Motivez> Jurian, there is no planet-x either
[06:44] <obany> if you do some locigal thinking etc... then you would know that there is no moon behind the moon
[06:44] <Motivez> That doesn't stop people in beleiving in it
[06:45] <Motivez> The same thing could be said about you and planet-x obany ;-)
[06:45] <Jurian> Motivez: that is something you cannot prove tho
[06:45] <Nol> or in the 4th density..?
[06:45] <Motivez> Jurian
[06:45] <Motivez> It's not there
[06:45] <Motivez> Look at all the discrepancies
[06:45] <Jurian> it is not where its supposed to be, sure
[06:45] <Jurian> but saying it is impossible, is slightly stupid, imho
[06:45] <Motivez> it's best visibile high in the horison, it's best visible close to the horison
[06:46] <Jurian> I'm not saying it is there
[06:46] <Motivez> it was spotted in 1983!!!!!!!(lol)
[06:46] <Motivez> It was mag 2.0 in '97 !
[06:46] <Jurian> I know all that :p
[06:46] <Motivez> People chose to ignore that though
[06:46] <Jurian> why do you think I doubt zetatalk more and more? :p
[06:46] <Motivez> Well I'm glad you're coming to your senses
[06:46] <Motivez> I can't wait for the day that you will be like, "someone get me a trout"
[06:47] <Motivez> and then next zetatalk session you can be like
[06:47] * Motivez slaps NancyL around a bit with a large trout
[06:47] <Motivez> =)
[06:47] <obany> so then zetatalk is wrong about the weather also and about the economy ?
[06:47] <Motivez> obany
[06:47] <Motivez> What you fail to realize is
[06:48] <Motivez> Many, many, many, manyyyyyyyyyyyyy people back in the early-mid 90's
[06:48] <Motivez> were saying the same thing about the stock market
[06:48] <Motivez> As far as the weather, I heard the same thing as well way earlier on, and it's due to global warming, a new el-nino(sp?) popping up
[06:48] <Motivez> global warming = greenhouse effect
[06:49] <obany> so motivez: what if the pole shift occurs next year as zetatalk says ?
[06:49] <Motivez> It doesn't mean some mysterious, red, mag 2.0 oops i mean 11.0 err, wait, i mean, 15+ 20+, planet, with swirling red dust, errrr, i mean, the dust is actually swirling moons, is heading torwards us
[06:50] <obany> will you still say it's the greenhouse effect
[06:50] <obany> ?
[06:50] <Jurian> hehe
[06:50] <Motivez> obany, if it does happen, it wont be for the reasons that zetatalk states
[06:50] <Motivez> oh wait i forgot to mention, the moons dont ACTUALLY swirl when it's in motion, they sorta trail behind the planet(LOLOLOLOL)
[06:51] <Motivez> like a comets tail!
[06:51] <Jurian> ugh, comets don't have a tail, imho
[06:51] <Jurian> some tail, if its only visible near the sun, and always pointing away from the comet
[06:51] <Motivez> obany, since you know so much about astronomy and logical thinking(as evidenced by your statement to Nol here), care to explain the physics on that one ?
[06:52] <Nol>  I leave here now ...Bye
[06:52] <obany> did i say i know much ... ???
[06:52] <Motivez> Or how the moons can trail behind the planet while it's in motion, and yet still manage to 'swirl around it', even though it's impossible ?
[06:52] <obany> i know a little but i don't know much ...
[06:52] <Nol> bye  bye
[06:52] <Motivez> You implied by your statement
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[06:52] <obany> well then you misread me
[06:53] <Motivez> <obany> if you do some locigal thinking etc... then you would know that there is no moon behind the moon
[06:53] <Motivez> clearly that implies that you can think logically about such things
[06:53] <Motivez> <obany> don't you know something about astronomy
[06:53] <Motivez> That implies that you do know something about astronomy
[06:53] <Motivez> I don't wanna give you a hard time
[06:53] <Motivez> But come on
[06:53] <Motivez> If you can be skeptical about a 2nd moon on the 'darkside'
[06:54] <Motivez> Why can't you approach planet-x, zetatalk, etc, with a healthy bit of skepticism?
[06:54] <obany> that's different for me motivez ...
[06:56] <Jurian> it shouldn't be tho :p
[06:57] <Jurian> if you are realistic, nancy's claims are not correct, they actually conflict.
[06:58] <Jurian> that doesn't mean the whole planet X deal isn't true, it just isn't as nancy is describing it
[06:58] <obany> Jurian: you know me longer then today .... and you know i rather don't go into it
[06:59] <Jurian> I know
[06:59] <Jurian> but that doesn't mean I agree with your reasons
[07:00] <obany> so you would rather have that i state my reasons ... here ..
[07:02] <Jurian> no
[07:02] <obany> ok
[07:02] <Jurian> I would prefer if you'd be willing to put them aside, and have a realistic look on things
[07:04] <obany> well they are a part of me...
[07:05] <obany> the feelings and reasons ... so
[07:05] <obany> should i put myself aside?
[07:05] <obany> and turn into a whole different person ?
[07:07] <Jurian> no, but there is nothing wrong with being sceptical
[07:07] <Jurian> no matter how many reasons you have to believe them
[07:08] <obany> of course not... but it's just different for me ... Jurian ..
[07:09] <Jurian> and that is exactly why people think this is a cult
[07:10] <Jurian> not being willing to look at things from a different point of view, blindly believing the zeta's because some personal things they've said were true, is scary
[07:11] <obany> so wich point of view should i take, that of sapphire .. or that of Nol or that of howmo or that of ?
[07:11] <Jurian> no
[07:12] <obany> it's not that i can turn myself into a different person
[07:12] <Jurian> no, but you can try to ignore your feelings about it, and look at the facts
[07:12] <Jurian> try to look at it in a way someone without your feelings would
[07:13] <Motivez> obany noone wants you to be anyone but you, they are just trying to get you to look at this straight forward without involving feelings about other things
[07:13] <Jurian> exactly
[07:13] <Jurian> a scientific way of looking at it
[07:13] <obany> well i am not like that ... call me stubborn or whatever
[07:14] <Jurian> heh, and that is what makes it so scary :p
[07:14] <Motivez> yep
[07:14] <Motivez> exactly
[07:15] <obany> and if the pole shift doesn't happen, then it will turn into a big mess anyway ... by humanity itself
[07:15] <Jurian> yes, but there is a difference between wishfull thinking and reality
[07:15] <Motivez> If you looked at it with an open mind, and a clear perspective, and some skepticism regarding the contradictory statements made, and said, "You know what, even with all that, I think it's still going to happen"
[07:15] <obany> for me ain't wishfull thinking
[07:15] <Jurian> I doubt anyone in their right mind will disagree that humanity needs to change, bigtime, or we'll destroy this world
[07:15] <Motivez> It wouldn't be as scary
[07:16] <Motivez> But you really don't want to acknowledge the fact that it might not happen
[07:16] <Motivez> or the conflicts
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[07:19] <obany> well motivez, leave it for now ...
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[07:23] <IQx> Dmn, Jurian was here.
[07:23] <IQx> I didnt even notice, wanted to talk about something.
[07:26] <Jeremy> South Africa is having a bad winter it seems
[07:28] <obany> snowfall ?
[07:29] <Jeremy> yes
[07:29] <Jeremy> I posted an article on tt-watch about it earlier today
[07:30] <obany> yes i see
[07:31] <obany> and the article from Mike O about the hail in China
[07:31] <Jeremy> yeah .. that story was covered by CNN
[07:32] <Jeremy> Apparently NASA is planning to schedule future shuttle launches to avoid meteor storms
[07:33] <IQx> I somehow got into the root folder (where I am not supposed to be) of my free web hosting server.
[07:34] <obany> metor storms ... mmmmmm
[07:34] <obany> brb tea
[07:34] <Jeremy> So does that suggest that current meteor showers are stronger now, posing a threat to the shuttle?
[07:35] <Jeremy> I think I'll get a drink too obany..
[07:37] <Jeremy> Must go now, but I'll be back in a couple of hours
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[07:56] <IQx> seen Antti
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[07:57] <IQx> =(
[07:59] <obany> Jeremy: that might be it yes .... stronger meteor showers
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[08:34] <obany> hi
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[08:35] <Magnetos> Thank you, obany.
[08:36] <Magnetos> Does anyone take a look at this map for me, and let me know if VA is considered a safe place? If so, I disagree with their map.
[08:36] <Magnetos> http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p25.htm
[08:37] * Magnetos would appreciate the extra opinion.
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[08:45] <DRGREEN> How can I connect to two channels at the same time?
[08:46] <DRGREEN> never mind.
[08:46] <obany> it can be done use /join #zetatalk and you also will join that channel
[08:49] <Magnetos> Did anyone take a look at the map?
[08:49] <Magnetos> http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p25.htm
[08:49] <DRGREEN> What about it?
[08:49] <Magnetos> I wanted to know if anyone else thought that VA was considered a safe place on the map.
[08:50] <DRGREEN> VA what's that?
[08:50] <Magnetos> Virginia
[08:51] <Magnetos> I'm familiar with this area, and I know that if there are hurricane speed winds, some flooding will accompany it.
[08:51] <DRGREEN> I have no idea. Virginia=a state in USA?
[08:51] <Magnetos> But I also don't want to over-prepare and move to a safer area when in fact VA will still be inhabitable.
[08:51] <Magnetos> Yeah, it's a state in the US.
[08:52] <DRGREEN> I live in the netherlands, so if I wish to survive I'll have to hope the Zeta's come rescue me or move.
[08:52] <Magnetos> So, DRGREEN, what is your position on all of this? Do you believe that a pole shift will occur in 2003?
[08:52] <DRGREEN> It will be completly flooded.
[08:52] <Magnetos> You better rely on moving, my friend.
[08:53] <DRGREEN> I think that there is a huge possibillity that this will occur in 2003 yes.
[08:53] <Magnetos> I would start collecting funds now.
[08:53] <Magnetos> And then move if the comet is spotted in December.
[08:54] <DRGREEN> that's about the plan. When it is visible, on photo's or in the sky.
[08:54] <DRGREEN> I think I'll go to Sweden.
[08:54] <Magnetos> Good plan.
[08:54] <Magnetos> I'm going to move inland, to higher ground.
[08:54] <DRGREEN> But I do not care so much about life, my life that is.
[08:54] <DRGREEN> If I die I can find oeace with that.
[08:55] <Magnetos> I wish I could say the same..lol
[08:55] <DRGREEN> peace.
[08:55] <Magnetos> I can only find peace in death only if I attempted to survive.
[08:56] <DRGREEN> I can only find peace in death if I attempted to help other learn.
[08:56] <DRGREEN> learn what good and bad is, learn to treat eachother in a good manner. respect.
[08:56] <Magnetos> Hmm, I've only allowed a few others in on this information that I have--those likely to believe me.
[08:56] <DRGREEN> That's the prob with losing my life, If I do in the coming shift I will feel so empty not being able to help others on this planet.
[08:57] <DRGREEN> I tell it to as many people as I can.
[08:57] <Magnetos> I also fear my government and the consequences they may be brought upon me.
[08:58] <DRGREEN> But not in the zetatalk manner. First I learn to know some peaple. than I can determine if they are willing to listen, then I tell.
[08:58] <Magnetos> I've only found few people who are willing to listen, Green.
[08:58] <Magnetos> And that is because I approach them from the most scientific viewpoint as possible rather than mystical/psychic.
[08:58] <DRGREEN> I live in the Netherlands, and lucky for me people are willing to listen, much more than I first thought.
[08:59] <DRGREEN> Yes, they want facts and proof not aliens telling something.
[08:59] <Magnetos> Exactly.
[08:59] <obany> i think even zetatalk says, speak to those who would listen ....
[08:59] <DRGREEN> But most people here are willing to believe, but they do not see reasons to live on afterwards, IF it happens.
[09:00] <Magnetos> I think Americans are so conditioned to doomsday threats though.
[09:00] <Magnetos> It's an every day part of life.
[09:00] <DRGREEN> what does that mean?
[09:00] <DRGREEN> I do not understand.
[09:01] <Magnetos> If I told them about this coming pole shift, they'll likely dismiss it as another doomsday theory.
[09:01] <Magnetos> lol My own mother dismissed it as that when I first approached her with it.
[09:01] <DRGREEN> Aha, of course. Yes, that's likely to happen.
[09:01] <obany> if you are asking me, i am not sure abou the right line anymore.. and not sure where to find it right now
[09:01] <Magnetos> But now she is taking precautions.
[09:02] <DRGREEN> I thought that would happen to me to when I tell people, but it happens surprisingly little.
[09:02] <DRGREEN> People do seem to notice something is about to occur.
[09:03] <Magnetos> So have you ever had contact with the Zetas, Green?
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[09:05] <Magnetos> brb in a moment
[09:05] <Ogmios> hi
[09:05] <DRGREEN> Not that I can conciously remember no.
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[09:07] <DRGREEN> What you mean obany? The right line? Wich path to walk?
[09:08] <obany> no no ... It was about something i said earlier on ... but i am not sure it that was the right line .. something from zetatalk about telling people
[09:12] <obany> no other points to discuss???
[09:15] [obany:#Troubled_Times PING]
[09:16] -obany:#Troubled_Times- hello no one here ?
[09:17] -obany:#Troubled_Times- , #zetatlak hello no one here ?
[09:17] <[3j]> ?
[09:17] <[3j]> obany what are you doing
[09:17] -[3j]:#Troubled_Times- HEHE!
[09:17] <obany> nothing, .. but just because it's kinda quiet
[09:17] -[3j]:#Troubled_Times- BOO! I AM A ZETA!
[09:18] <obany> ooh well maybe some are watching tv
[09:18] <Angelic> tja ik was naar de snackbar
[09:20] <obany> fastfood ...:P
[09:20] <obany> junkfood
[09:20] <Angelic> cola =]
[09:21] <obany> aha
[09:22] <Angelic> lekker weertje
[09:23] <[3j]> http://joey.tsai.org/bo2kfun.html
[09:23] <obany> nu wel jah ... maar goed .. ff wat eten .. haring ...
[09:23] <[3j]> after the read, scroll down ;)
[09:24] <obany> bo2k ... .. wasn't that that .... trojan
[09:24] <[3j]> back orifice
[09:25] <obany> brb food, eten
[09:26] <Angelic> ok
[09:27] <Angelic> back orifice = asshole (but more neatly put)
[09:27] <[3j]> ok
[09:28] <Angelic> you do not see it?
[09:28] <[3j]> but its a funny screenshot of someone who got back orificed
[09:28] <[3j]> taken by the persons own pc camera.
[09:29] <Angelic> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[09:29] <Angelic> thats a killer man
[09:29] <[3j]> yeah :)
[09:29] <IQx> Jesus, that http://joey.tsai.org/bo2kfun.html is extremely funny.
[09:32] <Angelic> his expressions speaks a whole lotta words :)
[09:32] <Angelic> expression :)
[09:32] <obany> i don't hear much about that trojan anymore ... some years ago it was like some hype
[09:32] <Angelic> really?
[09:32] <Angelic> Mac never has to cope with stuff like that
[09:33] <Angelic> but then again, if I'd be a cracker I wouldn't be interested in Mac users :)
[09:33] <IQx> Absolutely, it proves the statement : Its better to see once, than to hear a hundred.
[09:33] <IQx> Mac = Yawn
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[09:39] <obany> email to tt-watch somene emailed to tt-watch: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/10287
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[09:45] <[3j]> hey
[09:45] <[3j]>  http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p25.htm  anyone see this ?
[09:45] <cmel> I did
[09:46] <[3j]> can you make out the state of VA and if its safe
[09:46] <cmel> VA ?
[09:46] <Magnetos> Virginia
[09:46] <[3j]> virginia
[09:46] <obany> 3j: there is a a better page in fact... http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[09:46] <cmel> oh ok :-)
[09:47] <obany> va is mentioned on that page http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx101.htm
[09:47] <[3j]> obany what is meant by "hot earth" do you know/
[09:47] <[3j]> i mean ?
[09:47] <cmel> thats was new to me obany, nut my country was not there ;(
[09:47] <cmel> not a place to be 3j
[09:48] <obany> the safe places page is also based on questions as you see
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[09:48] <cmel> but denmark is not the place to be, I know
[09:48] <Angelic> good email
[09:48] <cmel> which email ?
[09:49] <[3j]> the yahoo one?
[09:49] <Angelic> the one gerard pointed out
[09:49] <Angelic> the one at yahoogroups
[09:49] <cmel> k
[09:49] <obany> from tt-watch yes .. from yahoogroups
[09:51] <Angelic> some sessions found in 'abduction' by John E. Mack also speak of a future event on a global scale, with destruction etc. I myself also have had recurring dreams with 'scenes' of destruction from the sky, by wind and earthquakes.. obany, didn't you have some dreams like that, too?
[09:52] <cmel> like meteors. what ?
[09:52] <cmel> or what
[09:53] <obany> Yes
[09:53] <Angelic> meteor showers, huge (I mean HUGE) storms, explosions, earthquakes
[09:53] <[3j]> they are just dreams though..
[09:53] <Angelic> still I doubt 2003 is the right year.. I am just not sure
[09:53] <cmel> Dammit, me too, but I don't know what to make of it
[09:54] <cmel> maybe just a manifestation of my worst fears
[09:55] <[3j]> or just something on your mind
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[09:55] <cmel> maybe, but I don't know :(
[09:56] <Angelic> I see two types of people who disagree with nancy: 1. like me, are in doubt, had dreams to vivid to be dreams actually.. like I said, just do not know what to make of it.. 2. complete and utter denial of anything nancy states, out to totally ridicule nancy and the whole subject of the poleshift
[09:56] <obany> well, i am not sure when it was written also from a book by John E. Mack  ... can't find the book at this time ... but the book is from 1998 ... a woman was told that her hybrid child would come down in 5 years
[09:57] <Angelic> that is 2003
[09:57] <cmel> yes just around
[09:57] <Angelic> we all know who are number 2
[09:58] <obany> the book came on the market in 1999.. not sure when that was written ... that text
[09:58] <obany> anyway angelic... the site of Peer changed in case you didn't know
[09:58] <cmel> well I know some that are (but I don't see myself that way, although I've had my bad days :(   )
[09:59] <Angelic> I try to not get too involved with the number 2's :) they are some times as wrong as nancy sometimes has been (and she has been wrong)
[09:59] <Angelic> obany is that peer.org?
[10:00] <obany> http://www.centerchange.org/
[10:00] <DRGREEN> Angelic, then wehere has she been wrong?
[10:01] <obany> http://www.centerchange.org/projects/project.asp?id=14
[10:01] <Angelic> ok
[10:01] <DRGREEN> besides small word error, like zeta IQ 400 while she ment 280 and lafespan of 400, but nothing big as far as I know.
[10:02] <cmel> does ZT say 400 iq ??? DRGREEN ??
[10:02] <DRGREEN> What I fear is that if nothing happens in 2003, people will forget ALL about the poleshift.
[10:02] <DRGREEN> No, Nancy statet in one of the logs that the Zeta-IQ is 400, but she ment 280.
[10:02] <cmel> yesterday she/zt said 280+
[10:03] <DRGREEN> yesterday she corrected that yes.
[10:03] <cmel> but what is the normal spread
[10:03] <IQx> I believe she stated that the Hybrids will have an IQ of 400.
[10:03] <DRGREEN> she was a bit confused, 400 years being the average lifespan.
[10:04] <cmel> nice I wanna be a hybrid in my next life
[10:04] <DRGREEN> yes, some thought so, but would a human-alien hybrid be smarter than a full blood?
[10:04] <IQx> Define smarter.
[10:04] <DRGREEN> They do this because hybrids have better capacity for emotions.
[10:04] <cmel> well genetic engineering can do a lot perhaps ?
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[10:04] <SCDee55> hi everyone
[10:04] <cmel> hi
[10:05] <DRGREEN> The Zeta's filtered most of the emotions out because they were warprone, but now they seek to correct that issue.
[10:05] <IQx> DRGREEN: How do Hybrids have better capacity for emotions ? Zetas extract most of ours, some of theirs.
[10:05] <IQx> DRGREEN: If anything, the Hybrids will have the same or lesser emotions than Humans do.
[10:05] <cmel>  they combine our emotions, with their intellect+
[10:05] <cmel> heh
[10:06] <DRGREEN> yes, I did not say something else did I? maybe I understand you wrong?
[10:06] <IQx> Yes, refer to ZT for that.
[10:06] <IQx> DRGREEN: Maybe it is my fault here. =)
[10:06] <cmel> sorry intellect++
[10:06] <cmel> :)
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[10:07] <obany> ixq: http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h14.htm
[10:08] <cmel> IQx it's my understanding that it's not pure inheritance
[10:08] <cmel> but maybe I'm wrong :)
[10:09] <IQx> Thanks obany, you are always there with quick links, I still wonder if you will be the Walking ZT Reference when (and if) PX comes.
[10:09] <IQx> =)
[10:09] <obany> :)
[10:09] <obany> brb
[10:09] <cmel> Mr Data hehe
[10:09] <DRGREEN> IQx, i meant the Hybrids have better capacity for love and sex-drive emotions than the Zeta's do.
[10:10] <Sparksilent> can hybrids have souls?
[10:10] <cmel> yes
[10:10] <DRGREEN> of course.
[10:11] <cmel> I think most will be reincarnated touls allready
[10:11] <cmel> souls
[10:11] <DRGREEN> Lots of perrished souls from earth will get a new Hybrid body.
[10:12] <Sparksilent> i was thinking that if these hybrids are clones  then they are just physical bodys   vulnerable to negative entities that could control them
[10:12] <Sparksilent> maybe?
[10:12] <DRGREEN> Could be. The Zeta's explain this in full, but I do not remember correctly.
[10:13] <cmel> maybe, but I think that they are not clones in that sense, maybee a whole new race
[10:13] <cmel> maybe
[10:15] <Sparksilent> anybody here been abducted? by zetas?
[10:15] <DRGREEN> anyone here had an experience with UFO's, alien spaceships or aliens?
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[10:15] <DRGREEN> Sparksilent, you telepath!
[10:16] <Sparksilent> i havent   other than my grandfather always telling me that he was a alien from outer space
[10:16] <Sparksilent> :)
[10:16] <cmel> not to my recollection, but have had strange dreams, that could relate to something like that
[10:16] <DRGREEN> I saw UFO's more than once, but never clearly enough to determine what it is.
[10:16] <DRGREEN> I dream a lot about greys and UFO.
[10:17] <DRGREEN> From I was a child.
[10:17] <cmel> I've had dreams of ufo's since childhood also
[10:17] <Sparksilent> i dont know about telepathy??  I m still wondering if guardian angels talk to my soul or not,  or if im just imaging that they are
[10:17] <DRGREEN> Strange, I never really remembered what my dreams where about, then when I was 10 I saw a documentary on discovery.
[10:18] <Sparksilent> ive had an out of body twice, and dreamnt that a shadow person was chasing me
[10:18] <cmel> no they just walk about in the street with red barets, thinking they're all that :)
[10:18] <DRGREEN> The first grey I really saw, and somehow I remembered the body, and the eyes of course. I just knew that aliens were part of the bigger picture.
[10:18] <Sparksilent> i still dont know what to beleive   if this stuff is a ll true or not
[10:18] <DRGREEN> Yes, that's difficult.
[10:19] <cmel> I think we all agree on being sceptics ??? to some dregee
[10:19] <Sparksilent> i go on the net and read all this  stuff>  there must be a reason that its happening to so many different people  who dont know each other
[10:19] <cmel> degree
[10:20] <DRGREEN> I'm a super sceptic, but you cannot just dismiss everything that's got to do with aliens, there's just too much to it.
[10:20] <Sparksilent> yea
[10:20] <cmel> I second that
[10:20] <DRGREEN> People who do not believe in aliens visiting earth just know too little.
[10:20] <Sparksilent> even if this planet x stuff isnt going to happen,   i think we are all learning some very important stuff about life  from this experience
[10:21] <DRGREEN> Even the old civilisations knew about the visitors and about spaceships, yet they had none.
[10:21] <obany> one can't deny that peole have been contacted, that there are contactees or as most say "abuctees"
[10:21] <cmel> but noone I know is ready to hear such a story
[10:21] <cmel> :(
[10:21] <Sparksilent> i wonder how old most of the people buying into zetatalk are?
[10:21] <DRGREEN> They drew greys in the early days too.
[10:22] <DRGREEN> Depends on how fast the soul develops.
[10:22] <cmel> average 27 ? I wager u :)
[10:22] <Sparksilent> im 19
[10:22] <DRGREEN> Some need 1000+ lifetimes to realize, others 10.
[10:22] <cmel> dammit ... hehe
[10:22] <Ogmios> hi
[10:22] <cmel> hi
[10:22] <DRGREEN> hi.
[10:22] <Sparksilent> hi
[10:23] <DRGREEN> I thought how old the soul was, my age is 20.
[10:23] <Sparksilent> i wonder if there are kids that just find zetatalk  that are like 12 years old
[10:23] <cmel> ok, my mistake hehe
[10:23] <Sparksilent> what kinda effect it would have on them
[10:23] <cmel> then we can never make a bet :(
[10:24] <DRGREEN> Little to none I think. Adults have a harder time accepting Zetatalk because they've lived all of their lives in the system.
[10:24] <DRGREEN> Children are open to other visions.
[10:24] <cmel> yes you're right of course DR
[10:24] <Sparksilent> yea   but a 60 year old woman hears planet x is coming next year, and than you have people who havent been around on this planet long enough who are kids
[10:25] <DRGREEN> The only problem most kids encounter is fear of death, I guess.
[10:25] <cmel> ZT states the in the aftertime, somtimes kids will be the leaders
[10:25] <cmel> that
[10:25] <DRGREEN> Yes, sounds cool. Finally some wise leaders.
[10:25] <Sparksilent> yea
[10:25] <cmel> hahe
[10:26] <Sparksilent> anybody else  feel they are being communicated with through music and art
[10:26] <DRGREEN> of course, this IS a form of communication.
[10:26] <cmel> I'm a bit sceptic there
[10:26] <DRGREEN> Emotions cannot be explained fully by words, but they can in music or art.
[10:26] <Sparksilent> its like there has always been a messege in music and art. now i know why i love it so much
[10:27] <cmel> but music can move alot
[10:27] <Sparksilent> words cant describe anything for me
[10:27] <cmel> can move me
[10:27] <DRGREEN> if it moves you, the creator has succesfully brought you a message, whatever the means.
[10:28] <Sparksilent> yea i hope
[10:28] <cmel> I guess so
[10:28] <Sparksilent> im trying to go by my gut feelings more on this stuff
[10:29] <cmel> thats usually correct
[10:29] <Sparksilent> it feels like something ids coming   but not exactly the way the zetas and NAncy are saying
[10:29] <Sparksilent> i dont know what?
[10:29] <DRGREEN> Yes, there is my problem. My brains say: belive the Zeta's, for they have been right hundreds of times before. My gut is saying, are they truly to be trusted?
[10:30] <cmel> yes well, nancy seems to be a feeble conveyor of ZT
[10:30] <Sparksilent> yea
[10:30] <DRGREEN> It just feels too easy sometimes, just finding the whole truth I've been looking for on the net.
[10:30] <cmel> she doesen't have the language to describe the concepts
[10:31] <IQx> I wonder if I have a soul at all.
[10:31] <Sparksilent> me too
[10:31] <cmel> shes "getting" from the zetas
[10:31] <DRGREEN> I can assure you have, but it needs a spark, according to Nancy.
[10:31] <cmel> me too, but I hope so
[10:31] <Sparksilent> i even wonder if she is in contact with zetas
[10:31] <cmel> thats what I meant, I want to live on
[10:32] <Sparksilent> ?
[10:32] <cmel> not to you spark :)
[10:32] <cmel> but I have doubts too
[10:32] <Sparksilent> sometimes i think  my soul has always been here but sometimes i dont pay enough attenetion to it
[10:33] <Sparksilent> its like awareness of the other part of you,   i dont think most people are aware
[10:33] <DRGREEN> I have the impression that I might be from somewhere else. I do not feel comfortable with most humans and our capabilities, I feel handicapped.
[10:33] <Sparksilent> my body really does feel like a shell sometimes
[10:33] <DRGREEN> yes, a shell.
[10:34] <DRGREEN> My soul cannot get out to come to full awareness.
[10:34] <cmel> u ever have claustrophobia, as in you just dont connect with other people ??
[10:34] <DRGREEN> I want to expand my aura further, bunt cannot.
[10:34] <cmel> and u need 2
[10:34] <Sparksilent> alot of people tell me that i dont smile enough/  but i always tell them: im smiling on the inside/ they dont know what im talking about
[10:35] <DRGREEN> feel like i need to.
[10:35] <DRGREEN> People say I'm a grunt. I do not laugh, and do not seem friendly.
[10:35] <DRGREEN> That's because i'm scared of humans.
[10:35] <Sparksilent> me too
[10:35] <Sparksilent> im scared to even look for a job
[10:35] <cmel> there is only a few people I connect with, and it's not my family
[10:36] <Sparksilent> me too   family understand the least
[10:36] <DRGREEN> I feel so much love, but cannot succesfully let others notice, It makes me vulnerable.
[10:36] <DRGREEN> Lucky enough, my mother is very open to Zetatalk.
[10:36] <cmel> I envy you DR
[10:37] <DRGREEN> why?
[10:37] <obany> hey i have that quote from that book i mentioned earlier "She has been told that in 5 years "Kiran" would come down here ... Kiran is the hybrid
[10:37] <Ogmios> who can say weather is normal..hailstorm in china
[10:37] <obany> i think because your mother is very open
[10:37] <cmel> you have some family to talk to
[10:37] <cmel> about this I mean
[10:37] <obany> i can't say it, the weather is abnormal in fact
[10:37] <DRGREEN> Yeah, better yet, my mother brought me zetatalk.
[10:38] <DRGREEN> and my brother too.
[10:38] <DRGREEN> But that's about it, and my mom is more spiritual so not very busy with the 2003 message.
[10:38] <cmel> ok, I'm impressed :)
[10:38] <Sparksilent> if this stuff is true, i feel that its better not to tell people whats going to happen, but just try to comfort my loved ones more if it happens
[10:39] <cmel> yes sparks.
[10:39] <DRGREEN> That;s love and compassion, I believe you have a sparked soul.
[10:39] <cmel> what about wheather, has anyone seen irregularities ???
[10:39] <DRGREEN> Big time.
[10:40] <DRGREEN> On the news a whole hour about climatechanges.
[10:40] <cmel> because I don
[10:40] <cmel> 't
[10:40] <DRGREEN> last 10 years fastest change ever, and accelerating.
[10:40] <Sparksilent> i feel that way to an extent about zetatalk:  doesnt really help us to tell us that were al gonna die next summer
[10:40] <DRGREEN> CMEL, you live in USA?
[10:40] <cmel> think denmark has experienced anything more than a single F2 tornado
[10:41] <cmel> :)
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[10:41] <Sparksilent> if the zetas really wanted to help us i would think they know that ignorance is bliss
[10:41] <DRGREEN> I notice that the news here in the Netherlands is not so manipulated as in other coutries.
[10:41] <Sparksilent> but i guess not
[10:42] <cmel> Hi Magneto
[10:42] <Magnetos> Hello, cmel.
[10:42] <DRGREEN> Maybe the Zeta's are evil and feed on fear they create with their message.
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[10:42] <Sparksilent> maybe
[10:42] <DRGREEN> Feed on negative energy.
[10:42] <cmel> they don't manipulate they just omit :(
[10:43] <cmel> the news media
[10:43] <Magnetos> Maybe they want us to get desperate and run to them for assistance.
[10:43] <cmel> STS
[10:43] <Sparksilent> i read that its the shadow people feeding on negative energy< the greys are the puppets of the shadows
[10:43] <DRGREEN> Maybe they truly live on a higher density, but fear the transformation because humans will live on the same level as they do. The might fear losing power.
[10:43] <cmel> they're peeling our societys apart :(
[10:43] <cmel> brick for brick
[10:43] <Magnetos> I've always felt that the Zetas feared our potential.
[10:44] <DRGREEN> So they give this 2003 message to blind us with fear, so the transformation will not occur.
[10:44] <Sparksilent> anybody else read "the secret war:
[10:44] <cmel> not me
[10:44] <DRGREEN> Yes magnetos, I have that feeling too.
[10:44] <cmel> maybe they just feared our numbers Magnetos ??
[10:45] <Sparksilent> if your interested www.ufo2u.com      i dont want to think about what mental state i would be in if i hadnt have read that book, and only read zetatalk
[10:45] <sapphire> magnetos: i also agree
[10:45] <Magnetos> In fact, I've read at Spiritweb.com that implants are used to hinder our spiritual growth.
[10:45] <Magnetos> Perhaps cmel.
[10:45] <DRGREEN> "we, the service to other Zeta's" repeatedly. why?
[10:45] <Magnetos> And that they are best removed, and spiritweb ony gives straight forward information.
[10:45] <Sparksilent> "thanks for inspiring great zetatalk"?????
[10:45] <sapphire> maybe to drill it into your mind
[10:45] <sapphire> conditioning
[10:46] <Sparksilent> great webpage saphhire
[10:46] <sapphire> thanks
[10:46] <DRGREEN> wich one?
[10:46] <obany> still searchinf for info about me sapphire ... :P
[10:46] <cmel> shes a zeta in disguise !!
[10:46] <obany> www.skepticalmind.com is his
[10:46] <DRGREEN> haha.
[10:46] <DRGREEN> Oh, that one, without any good arguments.
[10:47] <sapphire> obany: you can always provide me some, i'll eargerly accept whatever you want to add
[10:47] <obany> i cam not going to provide you with info about me ...
[10:47] <DRGREEN> All your debunking has been solidly answered ans explained, sapphire.
[10:47] <Magnetos> So how many people in here live in designated "safe" areas?
[10:47] <sapphire> uh..huh
[10:47] <DRGREEN> Use some REAL arguments.
[10:47] <Sparksilent> i do
[10:47] <Magnetos> And where is that, spark?
[10:47] <Sparksilent> but the place were all my relatives live is not safe
[10:48] <Angelic> sapphire is a number 2 obany :)
[10:48] <DRGREEN> Thought he was negative?
[10:48] <DRGREEN> GRAND CONSPIRACY?
[10:48] <Sparksilent> i live in alberta canada,   im from Newfoundland canada(not even mentioned in the safe locations)
[10:48] <Angelic> all positivity :)
[10:48] <obany> key players :)
[10:48] <Sparksilent> looks like even the zetas forget about newfoundland
[10:48] <obany> :P
[10:48] <Angelic> lol
[10:48] <Magnetos> My state, VA, is likely to be 150 feet under water.
[10:48] <cmel> have you asked NancyL a q about that location ?
[10:49] <Sparksilent> no
[10:49] <cmel> LOL
[10:49] <cmel> try
[10:49] <Sparksilent> but i can take a guess about what will happen to it
[10:49] <Magnetos> I think that I'm going to quit on trying to survive.
[10:49] <obany> the safe locations page is also based on questions and anwers
[10:49] <cmel> yes ... MOVE
[10:49] <DRGREEN> Why do you all care so much for living?
[10:49] <DRGREEN> Save your own bodies?
[10:49] <Magnetos> It sounds like the existence after the pole shift will be war stricken, slavery stricken, and disease stricken.
[10:49] <cmel> instinct
[10:50] <DRGREEN> Just live and do what you feel is the right thing.
[10:50] <Sparksilent> its hard to because my friend is here from Newfoundland for the summer,  i told him about the shift,   he thinks its crazy
[10:50] <cmel> I cannot commit suicide
[10:50] <Sparksilent> i agree with you DRGREEN
[10:50] <cmel> I I have an idea, then I cannot pretend I dont know
[10:50] <DRGREEN> I do not say all of you have your reasons, but most people just want to survive because of fear.
[10:51] <DRGREEN> fear is the thing that we must let go in order to advance.
[10:51] <Sparksilent> yeop  thats the reason most people come to zetatalk    protection
[10:51] <cmel> it not one or the other, but a combination
[10:51] <Sparksilent> fear is the easiest way to take advantage of people too
[10:51] <cmel> yes
[10:52] <Magnetos> What I fear are armed survival groups who will really start to rely on their territorial instincts after the shift.
[10:52] <DRGREEN> I want to help people. There will be so much suffering and people whoi won't know what's going on, that would be my reason to live, to help.
[10:52] <Sparksilent> i dont expect to survive a pole shift at all
[10:52] <Sparksilent> if it happens   oh well  
[10:52] <Magnetos> If you want to survive the shift, you may need to drop a caring heart for a moment, because people will become barbarians.
[10:52] <cmel> I hope I will have the strenght you describe DRG
[10:52] <DRGREEN> But I let the universal energy decide, listen to what it tells me.
[10:52] <Magnetos> And when you're giving them a helping hand, they may try to make you their next meal.
[10:52] <Sparksilent> STO can also mean   letting the Earth rid its self of us
[10:53] <DRGREEN> Magnetos, of course.
[10:53] <DRGREEN> but
[10:53] <cmel> decide along the way
[10:53] <DRGREEN> I'm not blind, just loving, though people cannot see that when they see me.
[10:53] <cmel> you look like lucifer DRGREEN ??? hehe
[10:53] <Magnetos> I understand what you mean though; I'm caring person also.
[10:53] <DRGREEN> I will not help barbarians who slaughter and steal.
[10:54] <Magnetos> But be sure you're armed and ready as well.
[10:54] <cmel> just kidding DRG
[10:54] <Sparksilent> i understand how you feel Drgreen,   people are afraid of me sometimes (my expressionless face)
[10:54] <DRGREEN> In the times ahead, people who are as such barbarians will be notices right away by me, anyway.
[10:54] <cmel> I'll try to hide before to fight
[10:54] <obany> twisted logic http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t123.htm  
[10:54] <Magnetos> So would I, cmel..because I'll be outnumbered.
[10:54] <DRGREEN> I'd rather hide too.
[10:55] <cmel> yep
[10:55] <Magnetos> And be with a "weak" group.
[10:55] <DRGREEN> I hate hate
[10:55] <DRGREEN> and war.
[10:55] <Magnetos> The people who are likely to be with me during the shift will likely die.
[10:55] <Sparksilent> or hide while everybody is fighting over survival once they hear of planet x
[10:55] <cmel> but a good rifle, and some good friends wouldn't hurt :)
[10:55] <Magnetos> They're just not physically fit enough--nor mentally.
[10:56] <Sparksilent> evenm if planet x doesnt hurt the earth,  there will be enough panic to cause destruction
[10:56] <DRGREEN> I do martial arts, but this has got nothing to do with fear. I still shit when someone points a gun at my face...
[10:56] <cmel> the rifle as a last resort, or maybe hunting
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[10:56] <cmel> you've tried that DR
[10:56] <Magnetos> I will use firearms defensively rather than offensively..
[10:56] <DRGREEN> even though I know it is easely diverted.
[10:56] <DRGREEN> tried what?
[10:56] <obany> martial arts.. uuh for me ... that is like 15 years ago
[10:56] <Magnetos> Let them come to me rather me come to them for a fight.
[10:56] <Sparksilent> enough of this< bYe
[10:56] <cmel> a gun in you face
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[10:57] <DRGREEN> No, just imagining it makes me fear.
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[10:57] <DRGREEN> Some people can be so aggressive they are not to be reasoned with.
[10:58] <cmel> ok I imagine that too
[10:58] <obany> mmm focus27 left because of the discussion
[10:58] <Magnetos> Especially when their lives are at stake.
[10:58] <Magnetos> When people are on the brink of death, they primal instincts kick in.
[10:58] <cmel> unfocussed
[10:58] <cmel> hehe
[10:58] <DRGREEN> what's wrong with the discussion obany?
[10:58] <obany> mabye because it was about guns and weaposn .. or so not sure
[10:58] <Magnetos> they-their
[10:59] <cmel> he said that in zt channel
[10:59] <obany> yes
[10:59] <Magnetos> Guns and weapons will be a key component for survival, so it's a proper topic to discuss.
[10:59] <DRGREEN> aha.
[10:59] <DRGREEN> I do not like guns, but what if there's no other way out?
[11:00] <cmel> I'm thinking seriously about getting cammo-stuf
[11:00] <DRGREEN> I hope god gives me the power.
[11:00] <cmel> so I can hid
[11:00] <cmel> hide
[11:00] <cmel> army-surplus
[11:00] <obany> well guns are not adviced in the troubled times site ... ther is a page about it ... let me see : self defence
[11:00] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo132.htm
[11:00] <Magnetos> cmel, I'm getting camo gear, light body armor, a helmet from the local army surplus, and some nice combat boots.
[11:01] <cmel> boots is priority one with me
[11:01] <DRGREEN> The Zeta's say that if a surviving community is truly service to others, they will not get such problems with raiders and barbarians. They will just walk by without noticing the group, like they were invisible.
[11:02] <obany> i will buy some good boots too, maybe army boots or a different kind (with goretex)
[11:02] <cmel> yes, but it doesn't hurt getting prepared
[11:02] <Magnetos> Gortex is good material..
[11:02] <obany> Yes, Green i have read that too
[11:02] <Magnetos> I've had shoes for years that still look brand new because they're made of Gortex.
[11:03] <cmel> but one should think about not scaring other potential STO ppl
[11:03] <Angelic> goretex, sympatexis also good stuff, I got these special forces boots now 4 years and they are still watertight :)
[11:03] <Magnetos> And as for who uses firearms and who does not, I guess it depends on what area you happen to survive in.
[11:03] <DRGREEN> Nobody can be fully understood. It could be that someone you thought to be so much STO appears to be STS suddenly, what happens with the guns then?
[11:04] <cmel> If I go to sweden as I think I will, there will be alot of rifles in other groups :(
[11:04] <DRGREEN> they could be used AGAINST the group
[11:04] <Angelic> cmel not in my group
[11:04] <DRGREEN> for the benefit of one.
[11:04] <Magnetos> The problem is that I don't have much of a group.
[11:04] <cmel> good Angelic, the first good guys :)
[11:04] <Magnetos> A group in itself will deter more violence than a single man.
[11:04] <obany> I am not into guns either, to dangerous
[11:04] <Angelic> magnetos aren't there people from your state in the tt?
[11:05] <cmel> me neither ... no group
[11:05] <[3j]> magnetos, if you start an initiative to group people, I'll help you
[11:05] <Angelic> there you go :)
[11:05] <[3j]> with web coord, dbs, etc etc
[11:05] <[3j]> i can provide webspace and such as well.
[11:06] <Magnetos> Why thank you.
[11:06] <DRGREEN> 3J, I need some space for an upcoming page
[11:06] <Magnetos> I'm informing people individually as of now.
[11:06] <DRGREEN> but it will be Dutch, so you won;t benefit I guess.
[11:06] <[3j]> drgreen, i think lycos.nl offer free webspace
[11:06] <DRGREEN> thank you.
[11:06] <Angelic> hehe
[11:06] <cmel> just say you're IRC-alias, and then i will lay down my weapons LOL
[11:06] <Magnetos> lol
[11:07] <Magnetos> Who in here 'does' have a group? And reside in the states?
[11:07] <cmel> not me
[11:07] <DRGREEN> I have a group, It's not solid bacause no one is sure, but it consists of by about 20 people.
[11:07] <cmel> maybe sapphire .... hehe
[11:07] <[3j]> all i have is my small family
[11:08] <Magnetos> I'm not sure if I'd do well starting a survival group.
[11:08] <DRGREEN> But nobody is sure of the 2003 message, so what to do if nothing happens then?
[11:08] <[3j]> it takes time, if that was something I could afford, I would do it
[11:08] <DRGREEN> Be ridiculed by everone at work?
[11:08] <[3j]> ah teh fear of criticism
[11:09] <cmel> maybe I'll just give "the call" and get relocated to a survival group by the zetas
[11:09] <DRGREEN> hope that works.
[11:09] <[3j]> doubt it ;)
[11:09] <cmel> they say it will be done, in seldom cases
[11:09] <Magnetos> I wonder why the Zetas themselves won't help people individually to survive.
[11:09] <DRGREEN> If you're special, you could just stay and get swallowed by the waves, Zeta's might help you and give another chance.
[11:09] <[3j]> the zetas only want us to suffer so when they come down to suck out our brains we will offer no resistance
[11:10] <[3j]> just joking guys :)
[11:10] <Magnetos> lol
[11:10] <Magnetos> Some anti-alien groups on the net suggest that the Zetas CANNOT be trusted.
[11:10] <Magnetos> And that their benevolent nature is but a ploy.
[11:10] <DRGREEN> TRUST NO ONE remember?
[11:11] <cmel> you can find anything on the net
[11:11] <Magnetos> Perhaps this "comet" is just a military weapon of theirs?
[11:11] <DRGREEN> could be.
[11:11] <Magnetos> Because they seem to be very little in terms of helping others.
[11:11] <DRGREEN> yeah, or a probe, so that we WILL see it in the sky, but not truly nibiru.
[11:11] <cmel> I hope then they only have this one shot :)
[11:11] <[3j]> they could be evil
[11:11] <cmel> NOOO
[11:11] <cmel> hehe
[11:12] <DRGREEN> They could be.
[11:12] <cmel> Yes
[11:12] <Magnetos> Well, the stories I abduction stories I hear of rape, mutilation, etc, very well suggest that the Zetas are evil.
[11:12] <[3j]> yes and all those stories, the abductees seems to describe the aliens like the zetas appear to look like
[11:13] <cmel> bodyparts in vats = for feeding purposes
[11:13] <DRGREEN> But remember, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT GREY SPECIES, all look alike, but different intentions.
[11:13] <Magnetos> That's true, DrGreen..I was about to say that.
[11:13] <Magnetos> But the Zetas don't deny raping their abductees or any of those claims.
[11:13] <cmel> I've read that as well
[11:13] <Magnetos> It's almost as if their position is "We do it, but we're not the only ones."
[11:14] <DRGREEN> that's true, they say that such things are pre-birth arrangements.
[11:14] <cmel> no thats the STS zetas
[11:14] <Magnetos> STS?
[11:14] <cmel> service to self
[11:14] <cmel> it's on ZT
[11:14] <obany> magneto: not exactly : "Another form of disinformation is rape. We do not rape your women in order to allow them to carry a tiny fetus for the first few precious weeks. We have observed sexual interaction between humans, to learn the range and varieties of responses. This has been done resulting from an offer, in all cases.
[11:14] <obany> "
[11:14] <Magnetos> Yeah, I need to read more of those articles.
[11:14] <cmel> but who can one believe
[11:15] <DRGREEN> Zeta;s say that they do abduct and can do unpleasant thing, but all because the soul has agreed with it.
[11:15] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h26.htm
[11:15] <Magnetos> T/y obany
[11:15] <Magnetos> But many abductees claim they've been raped.
[11:15] <cmel> yes DR ... but be polotically cerrect, and say they contact ppl
[11:15] <DRGREEN> not rape, but making children in their way, yes.
[11:16] <[3j]> its sick
[11:16] <cmel> politically
[11:16] <cmel> yes all sick
[11:16] <[3j]> they kidnap females, keep them under a sleep state, and "fertilize" them ??
[11:16] <Magnetos> Basically, 3j.
[11:16] <[3j]> hehe
[11:16] <obany> There is also STS service to self magnetos
[11:16] <cmel> go away damn cat, I cant spell when you're on the keyboard
[11:17] <DRGREEN> Yes, because the soul has agreed, though the human brain does not allow this knowledge to get through.
[11:17] <obany>  I don't have any problems with the hybrid program and so
[11:17] <[3j]> my mother said she was abducted once, about less than a year when i was born. but she later says it must of been a dream
[11:17] <[3j]> HOLY SHIT IM A HYBRID!
[11:17] <[3j]> no wonder i got 2 ...
[11:17] <[3j]> hehe ;)
[11:17] <Magnetos> lol
[11:17] <DRGREEN> HAHAHA!
[11:18] <DRGREEN> Anyone played the game 'Deus Ex'?
[11:18] <cmel> then you have an IQ of 400   errr 280
[11:18] <DRGREEN> haha.
[11:18] <Magnetos> How many people in here would participate in a hybrid/human marriage if asked?
[11:18] <cmel> hehe
[11:18] <DRGREEN> I would, if I was certain a good soul could benefit from it.
[11:18] <[3j]> if they are sexy, obediant and cook well, yes
[11:18] <cmel> I wouldn't because I would feel inferior :)
[11:19] <Magnetos> lol
[11:19] <DRGREEN> But not because of physical attraction, I guass.
[11:19] <Magnetos> I probably would agree as well.
[11:19] <cmel> being married to a mensa^3 member
[11:19] <cmel> hehe
[11:19] <DRGREEN> No, not inferior, I like smarte ones around me.
[11:19] <DRGREEN> Can teach you.
[11:19] <cmel> you can DR ??
[11:20] <cmel> hehe
[11:20] <cmel> she could
[11:20] <DRGREEN> I feel more uncomfortable with dumb ones around me.
[11:20] * Looking up DRGREEN user info...
[11:20] <cmel> oh ... ok I understand
[11:20] <DRGREEN> They can teach you nothing and require a lot of energy to be taught.
[11:20] <cmel> hehe
[11:21] <Magnetos> Someone mentioned yesterday that hybrids are already here--in 4th density, is this true?
[11:21] <Magnetos> That's true, Green.
[11:21] * obany is going to drink some cofeee, then i will return for a little moment and then i will visit a friend od mine
[11:21] <DRGREEN> yes.
[11:21] <cmel> according to ZT
[11:21] <Magnetos> Okay, what exactly does that mean?
[11:21] <DRGREEN> They are here, but not hybrids i gueass.
[11:21] <DRGREEN> I thaught zeta's
[11:21] <DRGREEN> but hybrids makes more sense.
[11:21] <obany> let me see
[11:21] <cmel> and noone can see them
[11:21] <DRGREEN> Obany?
[11:22] <DRGREEN> can't remember correctly.
[11:22] <cmel> you'r talking to Mr Data
[11:22] <cmel> DRGREEN
[11:22] <Magnetos> So are they in physical form yet? Or are in their etheric body?
[11:22] <DRGREEN> Empty hybrids I guess.
[11:22] <cmel> physical, but in 4'rth density
[11:22] <DRGREEN> Awaiting transfomation?
[11:22] <Magnetos> So they're walking around amongst us?
[11:22] <DRGREEN> Yes.
[11:23] <DRGREEN> But higher levels are not to be seen by us.
[11:23] <cmel> cant be seen by us
[11:23] <DRGREEN> cant be. Yes
[11:23] <Magnetos> So there is no interaction between us at all? They cannot even see us?
[11:23] <DRGREEN> According to ZT, no.
[11:23] <cmel> I think they can at will
[11:23] <Magnetos> Very interesting.
[11:23] <DRGREEN> But universal energy always contact in one way or the other.
[11:23] <obany> The zetas are here too, but the Hybrids also yes
[11:24] <cmel> but we cant
[11:24] <DRGREEN> even through dimensions.
[11:24] <obany> not sure wich log it was mentioend but it's there
[11:24] <obany> anyway coffee, brb
[11:24] <obany> will return for a moment
[11:24] <DRGREEN> kay.
[11:24] <cmel> Magnetos you like xmen ?
[11:24] <DRGREEN> Deus Ex?
[11:25] <DRGREEN> anyone played that?
[11:25] <sapphire> yes
[11:25] <Magnetos> Used to be an avid fan..lol
[11:25] <cmel> no not me
[11:25] <DRGREEN> I like rogue hehe
[11:25] <cmel> hehe
[11:25] <cmel> Storm is my favorite
[11:25] <Magnetos> We need some type of human liberator to release us from the controls of the Zetas--a human Magneto. lol j/k
[11:26] <cmel> oh the eyes
[11:26] <[3j]> i never played deus ex
[11:26] <[3j]> is it a FPS game?
[11:26] <cmel> whats it about deus ex ?
[11:27] <Magnetos> brb
[11:27] <DRGREEN> cool theme about MJ12 CIA secrets NWO Illuminati and aliens. wonder where they got the idea eh?
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[11:27] <cmel> the net ???
[11:27] * FunBot sets mode: +l 22
[11:27] <cmel> just a guess though
[11:28] <cmel> hehe
[11:28] <DRGREEN> A lot of writers of populair movies books and games get there ideas from somewhere right?
[11:28] <DRGREEN> People who watch or play or read them often don;t get the message.
[11:29] <cmel> I've read most of that crazy stuf
[11:29] <DRGREEN> In the fifth element a red heavenly body return every 5.000 years to destroy earth.
[11:29] <cmel> yes I have on DVD, I know ... an analogy ??? hhhemmmm
[11:29] <DRGREEN> This is found out by an archealogist in an Egyptian strucure.
[11:30] <DRGREEN> This body is evil. What is analogy?
[11:30] <cmel> or just the concept conveyed
[11:30] <DRGREEN> Ah never mind about the subject, just speaking my mind.
[11:31] <cmel> yeas well that body look like a red planet to me, as described in ZT
[11:31] <cmel> or comet or whatever
[11:31] <DRGREEN> http://www.zetatalk.com/density/d15.htm   -zeta's living on earth.
[11:33] <DRGREEN> The planet was so called 'evil', and the fifth element, the girl, could diminish it with the power of love.
[11:33] <cmel> thus the so called analogy to ZT
[11:33] <cmel> STO versus STS
[11:34] <DRGREEN> Well, not only ZT, but the ideas and visions from Sitchin, and ol texts, I geass.
[11:34] <DRGREEN> guess.
[11:34] <cmel> yes a lot of folklore can be put in that context
[11:35] <DRGREEN> Did you know the band Tool believes in the possibility of Nibiru returning in 2003?
[11:35] <DRGREEN> It's all on their webpage.
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[11:35] <Angelic> yes, but not based on nancy
[11:35] <cmel> no I didn't even know OF the band Tool :)
[11:35] <Angelic> they have other sources, they also have shelters build
[11:36] <cmel> they have the rescources
[11:36] <Angelic> they can go whereever they fucking want and buy whatever they please
[11:36] <DRGREEN> yes.
[11:36] <cmel> good
[11:36] <obany> i found it
[11:37] <Angelic> I wonder if they'll make some songs regarding nibiru
[11:37] <obany> NancyL) ZT to DuncanC: The hybrids are already on Earth! Simply not in 3rd Density where you can see them.
[11:37] <cmel> but what do they buy if they do, their tomb ?
[11:37] <obany> (Sirgrim) Grimbot is definately STO
[11:37] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: At the shift, or we should say shortly thereafter, their communities will move into 3rd Density and they will begin interacting.
[11:37] <obany> (Redeye) Cool
[11:37] <obany> (DuncanC) NancyL: I see.. could one sense these somehow?
[11:37] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: We have stated that the time of catasrophy is a time when the human mind and spirit will be open to change.
[11:37] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: What has NOT cha
[11:37] <obany> NancyL) ZT: What has NOT changed in their life?
[11:37] <obany> (DuncanC) Yes...
[11:37] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: Thus, depending upon location, depending upon readiness for such interchange, the hybrids will be neighbors directly AFTER the shift!
[11:37] <obany> (NancyL) End ZT to DuncanC
[11:37] <Angelic> can't you just provide a text document through dcc obany?
[11:38] <obany> i could ... or : http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cmay2502.htm
[11:38] <Angelic> never mind
[11:38] <obany> and look for hybrids
[11:38] <DRGREEN> Bye everyone.
[11:38] <obany> okay i will visit Bulent now ... bye laters
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[11:38] <[3j]> "bany> (NancyL) ZT: At the shift, or we should say shortly thereafter, their communities will move into 3rd Density and they will begin interacting."   
[11:38] <cmel> bye
[11:38] <Angelic> greets to Bulent
[11:38] <obany> i will
[11:38] <obany> bye
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[11:38] <Angelic> later
[11:38] <[3j]> sounds like after the shift, they will come out of hiding
[11:38] <obaway> yes
[11:38] <[3j]> not shift into existance
[11:39] <obaway> from 4th to 3th... in 4th not vissible ..
[11:39] <obaway> anyway laters
[11:39] <cmel> yes and they'll look strange, hardly any hair, big eyes ...
[11:39] <[3j]> they will get shot at
[11:39] <cmel> later
[11:39] <Angelic> 3j, zt first claimed it would take some time before interaction would take place
[11:39] <[3j]> zt are bad liars ?
[11:40] <[3j]> hehe
[11:40] <Angelic> just pointing out the message was different at first
[11:40] <cmel> yes it was
[11:40] <cmel> ang.
[11:40] <[3j]> renard gave me a link to archives
[11:40] <[3j]> copies of zt back in 96, etc
[11:41] <Angelic> what where?
[11:41] <Angelic> everything from 1996?
[11:41] <[3j]> one sec i will find it
[11:41] <Magnetos> I have a question, has these ZETAS been right about anything in the past? Or wrong for that matter?
[11:41] <cmel> google have a cache
[11:42] <[3j]> [01:07] <LE_RENARD__> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.zetatalk.com
[11:42] <cmel> well NancyL keeps speaking about ZT-accuracy
[11:42] <Angelic> what accuracy?
[11:42] <[3j]> not many pages archived it seems :\
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[11:42] <[3j]> 3 for 96
[11:42] <cmel> of predictions
[11:43] <Magnetos> I'd like to be aware of one thing they've predicted accurately.
[11:43] <[3j]> hmm actually it does have a lot of pages archived
[11:43] <cmel> me too
[11:44] <Angelic> "ZetaTalk is a faithful report of the Zeta opinions, and anyone taking exception to these opinions should take it up with the Zetas. They can be reached by giving The Call and are under the jurisdiction of the Council of Worlds"
[11:44] <Angelic> why is that funny?
[11:44] <Magnetos> lol
[11:44] <[3j]> heh
[11:44] <cmel> HAHA
[11:44] <[3j]> that from the archives?
[11:44] <Angelic> it's on the 1997 version of the homepage of zt
[11:44] <Angelic> as I remember it
[11:44] <Angelic> cool
[11:45] <cmel> so it's only an opinion  ????
[11:45] <cmel> ZT
[11:45] <Angelic> :)
[11:45] <Magnetos> Has anyone in here ever given the call?
[11:45] <Magnetos> Yes, cmel.
[11:45] <cmel> hehe
[11:45] <Magnetos> The opinions of one alien race.
[11:45] <Magnetos> Who may not be anymore psychic than us.
[11:45] <cmel> dammit, and here I was walking around thinking it was facts
[11:45] <obaway> gisteren fiets vergeten te halen bij fietsenmaker... doh en hij woont wel dichtijb maar ook weer niet zo dichtbij
[11:45] <cmel> hehe
[11:46] <Magnetos> So no one in here has ever given the call?
[11:46] <Angelic> well, the funny thing is, next to that nancy herself stated in fact that she does not want to be confronted with anyone taking exception, is that any call that gets answered is only recorded in the subconscious, isn't it? so you'll not remember the fucking answer, so what's the deal here?
[11:46] <obaway> so hey i am here to stay heehehhe
[11:46] <cmel> forbandede hollander
[11:46] <cmel> hehe
[11:47] <Magnetos> To be honest, I'd be afraid to give the Zetas the call.
[11:47] <Magnetos> Those aren't exactly faces I'd like to wake up to.
[11:47] <Angelic> het regent pijpestelenhier obany :)
[11:47] <Magnetos> Perhaps some hot hybrids but not full blooded Zetas.
[11:47] <Angelic> I like their faces, its ok to me
[11:48] <Magnetos> Their eyes are what frighten me.
[11:48] <cmel> you like their eyes ??
[11:48] <Angelic> yes
[11:48] <obaway> Het is hier droog Angelic
[11:48] <Angelic> maybe its perverted in your eyes lol
[11:49] <[3j]> its hard to say how I would react
[11:49] <Angelic> obaway is obany
[11:49] <obaway> I don't consider them ugly or scarry
[11:49] * obaway is now known as obany
[11:49] <[3j]> but i think not afraid, but confrontational
[11:49] <Angelic> there you go
[11:49] <cmel> obaway het is dien droog
[11:49] <cmel> hehe
[11:49] <obany> droog=dry
[11:49] <cmel> ok
[11:49] <cmel> hehe
[11:49] <Magnetos> I'd definitely be afraid.
[11:49] <cmel> me too
[11:49] <Magnetos> And I'd try to escape.
[11:49] <obany> hier=here
[11:50] <obany> it's dry here
[11:50] <Magnetos> Even if I had to run through a few of them to do that. lol
[11:50] <cmel> ok obany
[11:50] <cmel> just feeling noia
[11:50] <cmel> hehe
[11:50] <Magnetos> I also noticed that the Zetas claim not to be in touch with their emotional bodies.
[11:51] <Magnetos> However, they mentioned on one article on their site that they do not let their anger get to them.
[11:51] <cmel> they claim they hardly have emotions
[11:51] <Magnetos> If they're not in touch with their emotional bodies, then how can you feel anger?
[11:51] <cmel> but I'm not one of them :)
[11:51] <obany> the new awnsers from yesterday are on http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z16.htm and so is the log   http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cjul2002.htm
[11:52] <cmel> hehe
[11:52] <Angelic> this is so fucking great: http://web.archive.org/web/19970411234708/zetatalk.com/poleshft/p00.htm you can put this one, from 1997 poleshift zt section, next to the current version and check what has actually been changed
[11:52] <cmel> just a sec ... bathroom time
[11:53] <[3j]> im gona compare
[11:54] <[3j]> cool same url too
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[11:54] <Angelic> moh Jur :)
[11:54] <Angelic> alles lekker?
[11:54] <Jurian> moh :)
[11:55] <Jurian> redelijk.. m'n linkeroor doet irritant
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[11:55] <Jurian> verder alles goed :)
[11:56] <Angelic> oh, verkouden? ringing?
[11:56] <cmel> back
[11:56] <cmel> plz spk engl
[11:56] <obany> geez this site was kewl http://web.archive.org/web/19980428233938/http://ufoic.com/ :)
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[11:57] <Angelic> you could not have compared them completely cmel in that short period of time :)
[11:57] <cmel> no I went to the bathroom :)
[11:57] <Angelic> lol
[11:57] <cmel> hehe
[11:58] <Jurian> michel: heel lichtelijk ontstoken denk.. piept :/
[11:58] <Angelic> oh
[11:58] <Angelic> geen contact gehad? ;)
[11:59] <cmel> ja alt er lekkert angelic
[11:59] <Angelic> haha
[11:59] <cmel> djldfjg
[12:00] <cmel> 4e
[12:00] <cmel> wrsåå
[12:00] <obany> altijd leuk Nederlands praten met buitenlanders erbij :P
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[12:00] <Angelic> altijd :)
[12:00] <cmel> sorry
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[12:01] <cmel> ja vi danskere kan næsten forstå hvad i nederlændere skriver
[12:02] <Angelic> seems danish
[12:02] <cmel> can you understand us danes
[12:02] <cmel> ?
[12:02] <Angelic> nope
[12:03] <cmel> what does buitenlanders mean ???
[12:03] <cmel> auslanders
[12:03] <cmel> ?
[12:03] <Angelic> yes
[12:03] <cmel> foreigners
[12:03] <obany> yes
[12:03] <cmel> there you go :)
[12:04] <[3j]> je parle francais défois, est-ce que vous comprenez ou bien vous etre seulement capable de lire quelque chose d'autre, et puis comme quoi ?
[12:04] <Jurian> ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[12:04] * cmel rips his hair out
[12:04] <[3j]> no habla danish
[12:04] <obany> don't talk French when Jurian is here :P
[12:04] <[3j]> no habla netherlandish
[12:04] <[3j]> si habla english!
[12:05] <cmel> je ne parle pas fransais
[12:05] <[3j]> arriba
[12:05] <Jurian> hehe
[12:05] <Jurian> danish is reasonably understandable
[12:05] <cmel> Na strovje
[12:05] <obany> Het regent hier nu ook en goed
[12:05] <Jurian> that sounded russian
[12:05] <obany> because danish is also a German language
[12:05] <cmel> skål
[12:05] <cmel> cheers
[12:05] <cmel> I'm not sure of the spelling though
[12:05] <cmel> yes obany
[12:06] <cmel> well english works for me here :)
[12:06] <Angelic> het is hier droog nu :)
[12:06] <Jurian> yeah :)
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[12:06] <djtrypt> whats up
[12:06] <Magnetos> Not much and you?
[12:06] <djtrypt> just got up a lil while ago
[12:07] <cmel> language battle
[12:07] <djtrypt> my girl is sick
[12:07] <djtrypt> made her chicken noodle for breakfast
[12:07] <Angelic> your daughter? or gf?
[12:07] <djtrypt> GF
[12:07] <cmel> yes ?
[12:07] <Angelic> ok
[12:07] <djtrypt> no daighter
[12:07] <djtrypt> thats scary
[12:07] <djtrypt> im only 20
[12:07] <Angelic> 20 and daughter hmm
[12:07] <djtrypt> haha
[12:07] <Angelic> hehe
[12:07] <djtrypt> heheh
[12:07] <djtrypt> you remembered how old i am
[12:07] <djtrypt> hmmm
[12:07] <cmel> truly STO
[12:07] * Looking up djtrypt user info...
[12:07] <djtrypt> you make me feel spesial
[12:07] <cmel> hehe
[12:08] <djtrypt> my parents are coming to visit me soon
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[12:08] <Angelic> good fun
[12:08] <djtrypt> they are drivin three hours
[12:08] <djtrypt> to come see me
[12:08] <Angelic> :)
[12:09] <cmel> then you must be STO
[12:09] <cmel> hehe
[12:09] <djtrypt> whats that?
[12:09] <djtrypt> im not familiar with that term
[12:09] <cmel> Service To Others
[12:09] <Angelic> selfless
[12:09] <cmel> a term you can find described in zt
[12:10] <obany> and not only in ZT but also in the ra material channeled info
[12:10] <Angelic> sto comes down to selflessness, and sts to selfishness
[12:10] <djtrypt> ohh
[12:10] <djtrypt> sowie im bad with acronymns
[12:10] <Angelic> 140 IQ!!!
[12:10] <djtrypt> hahaha
[12:10] <Angelic> <-- amazed lol
[12:10] <djtrypt> takes me awhile
[12:10] <djtrypt> its the pot
[12:10] <djtrypt> lol
[12:11] <obany> altough a STO also cares about himself ... but yes STS is like egocentric
[12:11] <djtrypt> i even take ginko
[12:11] <Angelic> there is always something, ain't there? :)
[12:11] <cmel> ahh, full metal jacket on tv
[12:11] <djtrypt> no
[12:11] <djtrypt> an sto
[12:11] <djtrypt> cares only for others
[12:11] <Angelic> gingko rules !
[12:11] <djtrypt> becuz they find true happiness in
[12:11] <djtrypt> helping anbd caring for others
[12:11] <djtrypt> what is mine is everyone eleses
[12:11] <Jurian> djtrypt: not true
[12:11] <djtrypt> how so
[12:11] <djtrypt> ?
[12:11] <Jurian> sto is 50/50 self / others
[12:11] <obany> Yes, but that doesn't mean that a sto doesn't think about the self
[12:11] <Jurian> you CANNOT only think about other
[12:11] <Jurian> +s
[12:11] <djtrypt> who puts a label on that
[12:11] <djtrypt> i do
[12:11] <djtrypt> !
[12:12] <Angelic> djtrypt, meet Jurian, I think he got 150 IQ ;)
[12:12] <Jurian> if you only think about others, you'll be dead within days
[12:12] <djtrypt> HAHA
[12:12] <Jurian> 158 :p
[12:12] <Angelic> lol
[12:12] <djtrypt> IQ's is only relative
[12:12] <Angelic> <---feels so dumb in here
[12:12] <cmel> damn I only got 80,3252
[12:12] <djtrypt> to the area you are talking about
[12:12] <Angelic> cmel yeah me too
[12:12] <djtrypt> haha
[12:12] <cmel> hehe
[12:12] <Jurian> if you only think about others, you wouldn't eat, because you could better give your food to others who need it more
[12:12] <djtrypt> it would be
[12:12] <djtrypt> 803,252
[12:12] <djtrypt> haha
[12:13] <djtrypt> yep
[12:13] <cmel> damn hes good I think
[12:13] <djtrypt> i almost never eat
[12:13] <djtrypt> and im poor
[12:13] <djtrypt> as fukk
[12:13] <djtrypt> no car
[12:13] <djtrypt> no money
[12:13] <djtrypt> only got my music
[12:13] <djtrypt> and my comp
[12:13] <obany> i am not sure about my IQ... it's above average ... with some kind of a internet test i came around 140 or so ... or 141 ... but they are not that representive those kind of tests
[12:13] <obany> ooh well
[12:13] <djtrypt> and thats how i touch ppl
[12:13] <djtrypt> nope
[12:13] <djtrypt> i took that internet one
[12:13] <djtrypt> was there time limit on it?
[12:14] <djtrypt> also IQ do not represent wisdom either
[12:14] <cmel> I came up with 130 on internet a while back, but now it's 80,3252
[12:14] <[3j]> dj, hit enter only after you hit space bar 6 times :)
[12:14] <cmel> :)
[12:14] <djtrypt> sowie i have a bad habbit of talking on AIM, and i talk in short senetnces
[12:14] <obany> you had to take it in some time .. or so that test
[12:14] <djtrypt> ill try to talk longer, fragements
[12:15] <Angelic> hehe
[12:15] <cmel> obany you remember where that tes was ?
[12:15] <cmel> test
[12:15] <cmel> cant even spell
[12:15] <djtrypt> i remember when i was real little like 8 or so i was taken out of class, and taken to some other school to be tested
[12:15] <Angelic> there are IQ and EQ tests, why not WQ? wisdom quotient?
[12:15] <djtrypt> cuz you cant measure wisdom
[12:15] <Angelic> hmmm
[12:15] <Angelic> can you measure iq?
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[12:16] <Angelic> or eq?
[12:16] <cmel> or ZQ
[12:16] <cmel> NQ
[12:16] <djtrypt> not really, its very hard and you have to take a battery of tests becuz everyone is intelligent in diff areas
[12:16] <obany> cmel: it was that european test or so ... for what i remember
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[12:16] <djtrypt> any one love theorical mathematics
[12:16] <djtrypt> ?
[12:16] <Angelic> any test, from my point of view, is more limiting to the answer to the question what the quotient is than that it is revealing
[12:16] <cmel> I'll search myself, but thx
[12:17] <cmel> humans make the test, so it's fallable
[12:17] <obany> http://www.novelsoft.com/iqtest/IQ-test-e.html like this one
[12:17] <djtrypt> yes indeed =)
[12:17] <Angelic> djtrypt, just you try making the isis test ;)
[12:18] <djtrypt> hehehe
[12:18] <Angelic> I think jurian can do it though
[12:19] <djtrypt> whats the isis test?
[12:19] <cmel> yes ?
[12:19] <Angelic> oh i thought you knew, why did you laugh? lol
[12:19] <cmel> isis is a bird in egypt
[12:19] <[3j]> What was the first postage stamp ?
[12:19] <Angelic> it is the most difficult iq test
[12:19] <[3j]> anyone know
[12:19] <djtrypt> i was laughing at eddy murphy on TV
[12:19] <Angelic> that is a knoewledge question :)
[12:19] <[3j]> Pe... Bl...   <-
[12:19] <[3j]> fill in the dots..
[12:20] <[3j]> Pen.. Bla..
[12:20] <Jeremy-Away> 3j: Penny Black :)
[12:20] <cmel> hehe
[12:20] <[3j]> [3j] solved after 1 minute 23 seconds and now has <4> points (+1) on rank 1.
[12:20] <[3j]> thanks :)
[12:20] <[3j]> (Cartoon Trivia) What type of plant does Broom Hilda sell?
[12:20] <obany> here it is http://members1.chello.nl/p.cooijmans/isis.htm
[12:20] * Jeremy-Away is now known as Jeremy
[12:20] <cmel> out of 178 ?
[12:21] <[3j]> hint    v.... f....a.
[12:21] <[3j]> ven.. fly..ap
[12:21] <[3j]> oh its venus flytrap
[12:22] <cmel> oh yeah
[12:22] <obany> hi Jeremy
[12:22] <[3j]> (Phobias) The second most common phobia, anthropophobia, is a fear of?
[12:22] <cmel> he jer
[12:22] <djtrypt> fear of bones
[12:22] <djtrypt> haha
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[12:22] <djtrypt> you know anthropology
[12:22] <[3j]> p....e
[12:22] <cmel> fear humans
[12:22] <cmel> of
[12:22] <djtrypt> ohhh
[12:23] <[3j]> people
[12:23] <djtrypt> damn it close i was gonna say that, cuz anthropology is study of human bones
[12:23] <cmel> what about agoraphobia ???
[12:23] <[3j]> guess your iq aint that high after all :P
[12:23] <Angelic> anthropod
[12:23] <[3j]> (TV Trivia) Josie and the ________
[12:23] <obany> no antrophology is the study of human cultures
[12:23] <djtrypt> hey come on now, i wasn't makin the point that im smart and intelligent cuz i have a high IQ
[12:24] <djtrypt> i thought that was archeology
[12:24] <[3j]> What kind of charcters were MTV's Sifl and Olly?
[12:24] <cmel> you can have a high IQ, and know nothing
[12:24] <[3j]> i was joking
[12:24] <Angelic> I know nothing but have a high iq
[12:24] <[3j]> s... p....t.   hint
[12:24] <[3j]> so.. ps...ts
[12:24] <cmel> me too
[12:24] <[3j]> help me plz someone? :)
[12:24] <cmel> I cant
[12:25] <djtrypt> IQ is the potential of intelligence, means nuttin if you dont practice it
[12:25] <cmel> thats right dj
[12:25] <Angelic> <-- does not practice it
[12:25] <cmel> me neither
[12:25] <Angelic> dj, that is also why tests with a limited amount of time are shit
[12:25] <djtrypt> just like owning millions of dollars, if you dont invest it is nuttin, cuz inflation will reduce it to nulkl
[12:25] <djtrypt> =null
[12:25] <cmel> at least not to the amount I would like to
[12:25] <[3j]> (Music) Who sang about 'The Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy Of Company B'?
[12:26] <[3j]> A....w. S....r.
[12:26] <djtrypt> like me, i am very good with anologies and wisdom, and proverbs, and therotical math/logic
[12:26] <djtrypt> but horrible with spelling, and reading, cuz im dyslexic
[12:26] <cmel>  good for you dj
[12:26] <cmel> >:)
[12:26] <djtrypt> its all about the tradeoffs you know
[12:26] <cmel> but math is good for logic thinking
[12:27] <cmel> or so I've heard :)
[12:27] <djtrypt> well conceptual math is diff then logic, programming comp is all logic
[12:27] <djtrypt> yes it is, also classical music is too
[12:27] <djtrypt> so is trance
[12:27] <cmel> math is logic too
[12:27] <djtrypt> all logic is math, but not all math is logic
[12:27] <djtrypt> haha, thats funny cuz thats logic
[12:28] <cmel> Ok now you're getting too deep
[12:28] <cmel> hehe
[12:28] <[3j]> it means when there is logic, its math
[12:28] <djtrypt> a = b && b!= c
[12:28] <[3j]> but when it comes to math, not all math is logic
[12:28] <djtrypt> yes
[12:28] <cmel> I've only had, engineering math
[12:29] <[3j]> dj your a programmer?
[12:29] <djtrypt> yes if im talking about how patterns dictate and show trends in our universe, im not talking about logic you know?
[12:29] <djtrypt> yes 7+years
[12:29] <[3j]> what do you write most in?
[12:29] <djtrypt> actually a lil longer
[12:29] <[3j]> c?
[12:29] <djtrypt> c++
[12:29] <djtrypt> c
[12:29] <djtrypt> java
[12:29] <djtrypt> basic
[12:29] <[3j]> i didnt think people still learned basic
[12:29] <cmel> what about assembler you've tried that ?
[12:29] <djtrypt> i love c++ the best though, cuz you can make it as simple or complex as you want it
[12:29] <[3j]> hehe assembly
[12:29] <[3j]> no thanks ;)
[12:30] <djtrypt> haha oh no, thats a generation to o old for me
[12:30] <djtrypt> why reinvent the wheel
[12:30] <cmel> well I'm old
[12:30] <cmel> :(
[12:30] <[3j]> its not for an old generation
[12:30] <[3j]> assembly is awesome stuff if you can follow it
[12:30] <djtrypt> no, but you can convert most code into assblemby, hence compilers
[12:30] <cmel> it's not that difficult :)
[12:31] <djtrypt> yes you need to knwo it for electrical engineering
[12:31] <cmel> compilers tend to do that hehe
[12:31] <djtrypt> hehe
[12:31] <cmel> so someone must know
[12:31] <djtrypt> i started to programm on an apple IIe
[12:31] <djtrypt> when i was young i dont remember
[12:31] <Angelic> yeah
[12:31] <djtrypt> actually i think i gotta take assembly language next year in school
[12:31] <djtrypt> :(
[12:32] <Angelic> sorry, got cheerful.. I am an apple user ;) lol
[12:32] <cmel> it's just a heck of a long printout, printing assembler
[12:32] <djtrypt> it weird when i code, i can just look at the code and see the patterns
[12:32] <djtrypt> i love apples
[12:32] <cmel> they taste good :)
[12:32] <[3j]> red delicious my fav
[12:32] <djtrypt> but dont wanna get into a discussion about them if you guys dont wanna
[12:32] <djtrypt> hehe yes they doo
[12:32] <Angelic> hehe
[12:32] <djtrypt> spesial macintosh
[12:32] <djtrypt> ;)
[12:32] <cmel> :)
[12:32] <[3j]> my first computer was an mac apple 128
[12:32] <djtrypt> my fav flav
[12:33] <obany> ehehe the fist computer i had was a commodore c16.. boy that computer was fast :P
[12:33] <djtrypt> my first was that apple IIe
[12:33] <cmel> my first was a zx-spectrum
[12:33] <[3j]> if the pascal floppy were not busted, I would probably be such a god at programming today
[12:33] <cmel> then commodore 64
[12:33] <djtrypt> programming is more thgen a language its a stae of mind
[12:33] <[3j]> but they were busted so i didnt pick up programming till much later
[12:33] <obany> after the c16 .. msx then later on Amiga 500
[12:33] <djtrypt> once you learn your first langauge the rest are easy
[12:34] <obany> amiga was good
[12:34] <djtrypt> yes it was i had one of those
[12:34] <djtrypt> i sold it three years ago, i had too many comps
[12:34] <cmel> I started programming back then
[12:34] <djtrypt> i currently own like 10
[12:34] <djtrypt> mostly crappy ones
[12:34] <djtrypt> with no monitors just networked togetehr for shyts an giggles
[12:34] <STO_WARRIOR> im going back to school, should i try to learn programing ,network engineering or web tech?
[12:35] <cmel> why not run linux on those old ones
[12:35] <STO_WARRIOR> anyone?
[12:35] <djtrypt> i have free BSD
[12:35] <djtrypt> ;)
[12:35] <cmel> linux is free
[12:35] <djtrypt> i only use XP on this comp im using right now, cuz its a nice terminal
[12:35] <cmel> :)
[12:35] <sapphire> i vote for network engineering
[12:35] <djtrypt> i get all my software for free too;)
[12:35] <STO_WARRIOR> thanks sapphire
[12:35] <cmel> I like the word TERMINAL=XP
[12:35] <cmel> hehe
[12:35] <djtrypt> my boy nate is a network programmer
[12:36] <cmel> well what do you like
[12:36] <cmel> I like the net
[12:36] <djtrypt> i like unix the best
[12:36] <STO_WARRIOR> i like the net too
[12:36] <djtrypt> thats one good movie
[12:36] <djtrypt> :)
[12:36] <cmel> then network perhaps ??
[12:36] <cmel> hehe
[12:37] <djtrypt> i got em all networked
[12:37] <STO_WARRIOR> i want to be creative though
[12:37] <djtrypt> i came up with some new theories on how to crawl the internet
[12:37] <cmel> then the web
[12:37] <djtrypt> using viruses and antibodies
[12:37] <djtrypt> it turns your network into a neural network
[12:37] <djtrypt> its pretty crazy
[12:37] <cmel> you saw the worms that was infected with a virus hehe
[12:38] <Angelic> did you get that from star trek?
[12:38] <djtrypt> nope
[12:38] <cmel> distributed computing
[12:38] <djtrypt> i dont watch star trek
[12:38] <djtrypt> nor TV
[12:38] <Angelic> must be coincidence
[12:38] <djtrypt> jus tstarted watching TV today actually
[12:38] <cmel> there was some worm that was infected
[12:38] <djtrypt> i remember that i get cable since i got road runner cable
[12:38] <cmel> on the net 1.5 months ago
[12:39] <djtrypt> i made a worm once, it was kewl programmed it all in basic, and .bat commands
[12:39] <cmel> you shall make it in wbs
[12:40] <djtrypt> well, i made it about 5 years ago
[12:40] <djtrypt> i know alot more about comps now then i did then
[12:40] <cmel> but now the new thing is virus in pics
[12:40] <djtrypt> yep, thats crazy
[12:40] <cmel> thats bad
[12:41] <djtrypt> harder to do in .psd or .pdf
[12:41] <djtrypt> though cuz they use vector based imaging
[12:41] <cmel> yes
[12:41] <djtrypt> go mac's
[12:41] <djtrypt> :)
[12:41] <cmel> hehe
[12:41] <cmel> you like DTP
[12:42] <cmel> ?
[12:42] <djtrypt> i like mac's better cuz i do digital audio and video, and im worried about latency, and since mac's are 128 bit, they can push sooo mcuh more data
[12:42] <cmel> powerpc ???
[12:42] <cmel> cpu
[12:43] <djtrypt> all motorola chips are 128 bit
[12:43] <djtrypt> sun microsystems are 64 bit
[12:43] <cmel> ok I didn't know :)
[12:43] <djtrypt> and x86 intel archetecture is 32 bit
[12:43] <djtrypt> mac's are like big muscle cars
[12:43] <cmel> not all they've just started with 64bit
[12:44] <djtrypt> and intels are like fast accelerating hondas
[12:44] <djtrypt> yeh
[12:44] <djtrypt> sun microsystem archeture varies
[12:44] <[3j]> yes macs are cool cpus
[12:44] <cmel> but you'r machine is that with a powerpc chip ?
[12:44] <djtrypt> dont ge tme wrong PC/unix boxes are the best for devolping
[12:45] <djtrypt> but for A/V shyt you want a mac
[12:45] <[3j]> they make great servers under unix oses
[12:45] <djtrypt> you see the new mac server x?
[12:45] <[3j]> no
[12:45] <djtrypt> ahhhhh
[12:45] <obany> i think i have seen a a pic of it.. runs on OS X
[12:45] <djtrypt> well mac os x is run on a unix platform
[12:45] <[3j]> ive never seen on physical, only seen them on the inside through a terminal prompt
[12:45] <djtrypt> and its running in the bg
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[12:45] <djtrypt> one sec ill get you the link
[12:45] <Jeremy> yo agentPX
[12:46] <obany> the core of OS X for what i know is BSD based
[12:46] <cmel> hi agent
[12:46] <[3j]> hey agentpx
[12:46] <djtrypt> http://www.apple.com/xserve/
[12:46] <djtrypt> its sick
[12:46] <agentPX> hi all :)
[12:46] <djtrypt> .6 terrabytes
[12:46] <djtrypt> hey
[12:46] <agentPX> whats up in here
[12:46] <djtrypt> i gtg, my rents are here
[12:46] <djtrypt> ttyl
[12:47] <cmel> anyone of you know about serverblades ?
[12:47] <[3j]> ive seen them
[12:47] <[3j]> wish i owned some
[12:47] <cmel> smart stuff
[12:47] <cmel> but costs alot
[12:47] <[3j]> yeah
[12:48] <cmel> I was impressed back a few years back when I assembled a server with 4 cpu, and 4gigs of ram
[12:48] <[3j]> few years ago?
[12:48] <[3j]> must of costed big $
[12:48] <cmel> about two
[12:49] <cmel> 250000 kr.
[12:49] <agentPX> my computer at home is dead (i bought a new one which should be ready in 2 mondays..), how was the chat with nancy yesterday?
[12:49] <cmel> 2years that is
[12:49] <[3j]> it was okay agent, want a log
[12:49] <Jurian> hehe, blades are sexy
[12:49] <agentPX> 3j: is it on zetatalk already?
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