Session Start: Mon Jul 22 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[00:28] <FunBot> [sdg] mooooo
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[03:22] <SnookPoon> !seen monk
[03:22] <sapphire> he's long gone
[03:23] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I was just trying to see how long ago h was here but ChanServ does not seem to register him.
[03:23] <SnookPoon> Not sure why
[03:24] <sapphire> i think that was grimbot that worked that way
[03:24] <sapphire> he left almost exactly an hour ago
[03:25] <SnookPoon> That's right it was grimbot
[03:25] <SnookPoon> what is grimbot by the way
[03:26] <SnookPoon> Is it a person or just a bot on the IRC server
[03:26] <sapphire> a bot running by user sirgrim
[03:26] <SnookPoon> OK
[03:27] <sapphire> but, i think sirgrim went on a camping trip...so grimbot is gone too
[03:28] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I'm thinking about heading down to the Keys in a few days for a Lobster camping trip
[03:28] <SnookPoon> should be fun
[03:29] <SnookPoon> Nothing like a pot full of boiling bugs in hot butter
[03:29] <SnookPoon> It's making my mouth water just thinking about it
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[03:51] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
[04:13] <Angelic> :)
[04:20] <SnookPoon> ;)
[04:26] <obany> hoi
[04:26] <obany> hi
[04:27] <Angelic> hi
[04:27] <obany> how's life ?
[04:30] <obany> you there
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[04:47] <Pott> hey
[04:47] <sapphire> hey
[04:47] <Pott> Whats happening?
[04:48] <sapphire> nothing around here
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[05:05] <obany> bbl ..
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[06:49] <obany> hi and bbl
[06:49] <obany> back later
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[07:29] <Angelic> :)
[07:29] <obany> hoi en ik ga weer ....
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[07:31] <obaway> fietsen naar werk, dan ff naar voren lopen voor stofzuiger ... en begin ik iets voor 5en ik spreek je nog
[07:35] <Angelic> ok
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[08:18] <TheViking> Anything happening?
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[08:29] <SnookPoon> hoi and I ga weather cycle unpleasant works , then ff to the front walk until vacuum cleaner and treshold I somewhat until 5en I spreek yours yet
[08:29] <SnookPoon> Is this Dutch
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[08:33] <Magnetos> Hello everyone.
[08:33] <SnookPoon> Hey.
[08:33] <SnookPoon> Do you speack dutch
[08:33] <Magnetos> I found an interesting site that is a little bit like zetatalk.com but instead the writer channels this information.
[08:33] <Magnetos> No, sir/ma'am, sorry.
[08:34] <SnookPoon> Ok, What's the site?
[08:34] <Magnetos> And the information is just as insightful as the works on zetatalk.com and is scientifically sound as well..if you consider that the poles are always adjusting in any case.
[08:34] <Magnetos> http://www.starlighter.com/myama/articles/len1.htm
[08:34] <Magnetos> It's an article about those so called destructive pole shift.
[08:34] <Magnetos> And almost, the home page has an article about Earth changes as well.
[08:35] <SnookPoon> It looks like just one page
[08:35] <Magnetos> Hold on for a moment.
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[08:36] <Magnetos> http://www.starlighter.com/myama/tscripts/info_idx.htm
[08:36] <Magnetos> There you go.
[08:36] <Magnetos> That's the home page.
[08:36] <Magnetos> Just scroll down.
[08:36] <Magnetos> Try to share that with people as much as possible.
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[08:36] <FunBot> [IQx] mooooo
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[08:36] <Magnetos> Hi, IQ.
[08:36] <IQx> Hey Magnetos, how are you ?
[08:37] <Magnetos> I'm doing pretty well.
[08:37] <SnookPoon> IQ, Do you speak Dutch?
[08:37] <Magnetos> Will you do me a favor and check out some articles about the "upcoming" pole shift for me?
[08:37] <IQx> SnookPoon: No, sorry.
[08:37] <Magnetos> Deustch
[08:37] <Magnetos> lol
[08:37] <SnookPoon> OK
[08:37] <Magnetos> http://www.starlighter.com/myama/tscripts/info_idx.htm
[08:38] <IQx> Magnetos: I will later, if I have the time =)
[08:38] <SnookPoon> How did you come by this web site Mag.:
[08:38] <Magnetos> Okay, I'm sure you'll enjoy it..and it'll take about five minutes to check out both articles.
[08:38] <Magnetos> Very brief articles.
[08:39] <Magnetos> It was in the favorite's folder of my brother.
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[09:28] <onlainari> Motivez !huggle
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[09:29] <onlainari> !huggle
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[09:53] <SnookPoon> !hugle
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[10:34] <monk> hi
[10:35] <sapphire> hi
[10:35] <monk> whats going on
[10:35] <sapphire> nothing much, this channel has been very dead today
[10:36] <monk> I just woke up a little bit ag o
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[10:50] <[3j]> hello
[10:54] <sapphire> quiet here
[10:58] <[3j]> somewhat
[10:58] <[3j]> http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,322588,00.html  <- pentagon nonlethal weapons in R&D
[10:58] <[3j]> like "sick sticks" in minority report hehe
[10:59] <[3j]> the sticky gel is funny tho
[10:59] <[3j]> slippery gel even
[10:59] <sapphire> yeah, i've heard of most of those
[11:00] <sapphire> i suppose the "terrorists" must remain alive if they are to be interrogated
[11:00] <[3j]> or odor attacks which smell like "U.S. Government Standard Bathroom Malodor."
[11:00] <sapphire> lol
[11:00] <[3j]> i guess so sap
[11:00] <[3j]> its not only for "terrorists"
[11:00] <[3j]> crow/riot control
[11:01] <sapphire> yep
[11:01] <[3j]> for police officers too
[11:01] <[3j]> lots of accidents in policework because of guns
[11:01] <[3j]> accidents that cause death i mean
[11:05] <obaway> hi
[11:06] <[3j]> hello
[11:06] * obaway is now known as obany
[11:08] <[3j]> interesting polls in nevada
[11:08] <[3j]> http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2002/Jul-22-Mon-2002/news/19230611.html
[11:09] <[3j]> about the marijuana vote in november
[11:09] <sapphire> yeah, i don't think most people here even care one way or the other
[11:09] <sapphire> i don't
[11:09] <[3j]> yeah
[11:09] <[3j]> state income tax doesnt seem like it will be brought back tho
[11:09] <[3j]> good thing too hehe
[11:10] <sapphire> i hope not
[11:10] <sapphire> people will fight that big time
[11:10] <[3j]> it wont happen
[11:10] <sapphire> tell the state to go bankrupt first
[11:10] <[3j]> i wonder if thats even possible
[11:11] <[3j]> so much cash in the casinos
[11:11] <sapphire> i think so, because whole counties have gone bankrupt in different states
[11:12] <sapphire> i think in Nevada they will just massively slash budget
[11:12] <sapphire> call emergency session of legislature, etc.
[11:12] <[3j]> i dont know really
[11:13] <sapphire> bankruptcy is something more likely to happen in a state like California
[11:13] <[3j]> yes
[11:13] <sapphire> GOP has Nevada firmly in its grip...stuff like that doesn't tend to happen
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[11:22] <TheViking> good evening all
[11:22] <sapphire> good morning
[11:23] <TheViking> hehe morning?  where are you located?
[11:23] <sapphire> las vegas, nv
[11:23] <TheViking> hehe  - 9 hours I guess..  you got 11:30?
[11:23] <sapphire> 11:23 am
[11:23] <TheViking> so how's life i Vegas today?
[11:23] <TheViking> Not at work?
[11:24] <sapphire> good, not as hot now.  only around 80 F and we can actually go outside without sweating
[11:24] <sapphire> no, i work nights
[11:24] <sapphire> but, not for couple days
[11:24] <TheViking> What do you do, if I may ask?
[11:25] <sapphire> i have to keep that classifed for now
[11:25] <sapphire> :)
[11:25] <TheViking> :-)
[11:25] <[3j]> cia?
[11:25] <[3j]> fbi?
[11:25] <[3j]> ufo?
[11:25] <sapphire> nah, i think those guys work during the day
[11:25] <TheViking> zeta
[11:25] <TheViking> :-\
[11:25] <[3j]> they need people working at night too
[11:26] <[3j]> its a 24/7 operation ..
[11:26] <[3j]> sap, are you MIB ?
[11:26] <TheViking> lolo
[11:26] <sapphire> no, but i've seen the movies
[11:26] <sapphire> talking dog was hilarious
[11:26] <[3j]> i didnt see the second
[11:26] <TheViking> MIB iII premieres the 26.th in Norway
[11:27] <sapphire> basically, same plot as the first
[11:27] <[3j]> yeah
[11:27] <sapphire> humor is even more "out there" than the first
[11:27] <[3j]> will smith always comes out with good box office titles
[11:27] <monk> funnist part is when the dog was barking with that song lol
[11:28] <[3j]> always around this time of year too
[11:28] <sapphire> true, though everyone tells me that "Ali" was boring
[11:28] <[3j]> with the accompanying music video
[11:28] <[3j]> oh yea ali, forgot about that one
[11:28] <[3j]> it was boring
[11:28] <[3j]> slow and the like
[11:29] <monk> i wanna see the matrix 2
[11:29] <sapphire> i was just about to say that
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[11:29] <sapphire> same stars?
[11:29] <monk> yes
[11:29] <monk> the ones that didn't die heh
[11:29] <sapphire> right
[11:29] <monk> i seen the trailer yesterday
[11:29] <monk> coming out 2003
[11:29] <sapphire> then it will be hard for them to screw that one up
[11:30] <monk> hope it comes out before planet x
[11:30] <sapphire> summer release i would expect
[11:30] <sapphire> July
[11:30] <monk> ahhh to bad
[11:30] <monk> ill be in the hills
[11:30] <sapphire> i doubt it
[11:30] <[3j]> bring a t1 to your hills resort
[11:31] <[3j]> that way you can download matrix 2, just in case
[11:31] <sapphire> wait till sept...oct..nov...dec..still no PX
[11:31] <sapphire> then you'll change your mind
[11:31] <obany> bbl
[11:31] <[3j]> sap, even so, if its there in december news will say its not px and just another comet
[11:32] <sapphire> naw, there will be nothing for them to talk about
[11:32] <onlainari> what do you think are the chances that planet x will affect the earth the way the say on the websites ?
[11:32] <monk> they wont say anything about it that much like they do with other subjects
[11:33] <monk> I think the zetas got it good
[11:33] <sapphire> chances for 2003?  almost none
[11:33] <onlainari> how can u trust those websites...hmm
[11:33] <sapphire> check "IMO"'s site
[11:33] <sapphire> place in sky is visible quite clearly now
[11:34] <onlainari> I read it curiously but I don't believe it until I see it...and that is like 6-8weeks before it's here..then u can actually see it
[11:34] <onlainari> as theyve said
[11:34] <[3j]> yes
[11:34] <[3j]> be here before we know it
[11:34] <[3j]> the time will be here before we know it ;)
[11:34] <onlainari> but shouldn't it be somewhere close to other planets now and affecting them ?
[11:35] <onlainari> before it's here
[11:35] <onlainari> saturnus etc
[11:35] <[3j]> perhaps it doesnt cross by there paths
[11:35] <[3j]> px could be in one spot and jupiter, etc could be at the complete opposite side of the solar system
[11:36] <[3j]> would need some planet charting software to be sure though.. and accurate coordinates of px :)
[11:36] <onlainari> and now when it's only 10months it should be rather close? does any site tell where it actually now is? some kind of timetable what time it is where and when
[11:36] <sapphire> i'm more concerned about the "Zetas" as a threat than PX
[11:37] <onlainari> I think zetas is bullshit...they talked about that 2 magnitude and then other site which I don't remember the address said it's 10magn. bright.....
[11:37] <sapphire> Both scenarios are "long shots" but alien invasion is still more likely than PX and pole shift
[11:38] <[3j]> for all we know zetas might be the habitants of px
[11:38] <sapphire> and asteroid strike is more likely than both of those
[11:38] <onlainari> you guys are insane
[11:38] <[3j]> and they are just feeding us stuff about 4th density, transcendance, council of worlds, etc, simply because they are listening to us
[11:38] <[3j]> and they know what to feed us
[11:38] <onlainari> ye so u say that the PX is gonna do something here is 0,1%
[11:38] <sapphire> yep, magnitude of PX has been re-stated (back peddling)
[11:39] <sapphire> i don't think there is a PX, at least not what ZT claims it to be
[11:39] <onlainari> brb,I go see my cookings ->
[11:39] <sapphire> don't let it burn
[11:42] <[3j]> well what exactly do you believe in sap?
[11:42] <onlainari> any good sites about niburu
[11:42] <sapphire> lots, do a web search
[11:45] <onlainari> hey where are the predictions what gonna happen to certain countries...
[11:45] <onlainari> or cities
[11:45] <onlainari> the link ...for like what to do in finland and what gonna happen here or
[11:45] <sapphire> you can find "safe locations" topic on ZT
[11:45] <onlainari> ok thanks
[11:45] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/help.htm
[11:46] <sapphire> i knew that was coming
[11:46] <sapphire> :)
[11:46] <obany> :) so what
[11:46] <sapphire> predictable
[11:46] <sapphire> you actually took longer than I expected
[11:47] <onlainari> heh
[11:47] <onlainari> can't find the link....umh,how long have u been talking about this niburu
[11:49] <onlainari> so when do we know that this all is true? when niburu is close enough?
[11:50] <obany> in 2003 we will know fore sure ... And i am also sure that in September it will get sighted
[11:51] <onlainari> interesting
[11:51] <onlainari> I just get to know about this yesterday,read quite much stuff,trying to find out that is this just some cult or what it is
[11:53] <sapphire> you're not alone, there are many people asking the same questions.  Some for years
[11:54] <obany> well it ain't a cult for me ...
[11:58] <monk>  I worship nancy
[11:58] <monk> I got a cult going where i livew
[11:58] <monk> were gonna kill our selves at first sight of planet x
[11:58] <monk> lol just messing around
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[12:03] <[3j]> its not a cult for sure
[12:03] <[3j]> as far as irc and all that..
[12:03] <[3j]> dunno if nancy's got some sort of group of followers living with her..
[12:03] <[3j]> doubt it though
[12:04] <[3j]> its much more like information being given out, like help pamphlets
[12:04] <[3j]> the stuff in zt is hard to believe though
[12:08] <onlainari> yeh
[12:13] <SnookPoon> !peek
[12:13] <[3j]> peek?
[12:13] <[3j]> !peek
[12:13] <SnookPoon> Yeah, it just shows who the channel ops are and ohter stuff
[12:14] <SnookPoon> they have it disabled
[12:14] <[3j]> i cant get much working with nickserv
[12:17] <SnookPoon> It works you just have to learn the syntax
[12:19] <[3j]> well i dont know it by heart
[12:19] <[3j]> and the help command doesnt give much info
[12:19] <[3j]> hmm
[12:20] <[3j]> hehe i got it working now
[12:20] <[3j]> just had to try somehting different
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[12:26] <onlainari> hey,can u please give a link to that page which tells what to do if you are in finland
[12:28] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx016.htm
[12:28] <obany> there is it
[12:28] <obany> anyway bbl
[12:29] <obany> back later
[12:29] <onlainari> thanks
[12:30] <SnookPoon> It's funny watching this market
[12:30] <SnookPoon> The Dow is down 175 then runs all the way back up to down 80 in five minutes
[12:31] <SnookPoon> The plunge protection tem is in ther big time with the manipulation
[12:31] <SnookPoon> team
[12:33] <SnookPoon> Weeeee...It's down the next hill again
[12:33] <sapphire> if there is a "bottom" its likely around 7200
[12:34] <sapphire> but we'll see
[12:34] <SnookPoon> DOW dowm 143
[12:35] <SnookPoon> Finally I'm starting to see some fear
[12:36] <SnookPoon> You have to have that fear to get the lemmings to throw in the towel
[12:36] <SnookPoon> DOW down 164
[12:37] <SnookPoon> All the defense contractors are getting slaughtered as well
[12:38] <SnookPoon> If we are at war you would think that they would be insulated
[12:39] <SnookPoon> The market's saying that they aren't going to get any goverment business
[12:39] <sapphire> war's been put on hold
[12:39] <sapphire> indefinitely
[12:40] <SnookPoon> DOW down 193
[12:40] <sapphire> panic at the end...just like Friday
[12:40] <SnookPoon> 198
[12:40] <[3j]> hehe
[12:40] <SnookPoon> 202
[12:41] <sapphire> this will go on for maybe another 2 weeks i think
[12:41] <SnookPoon> I might have to go jump out my window
[12:41] <SnookPoon> Damb!!... landed in the sand!
[12:42] <[3j]> " Virginia man opens fires on helicopter, thinking occupants are terrorists, police say "
[12:42] <[3j]> lol ;)
[12:43] <[3j]> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020720/ap_wo_en_po/us_helicopter_shooting_1
[12:43] <SnookPoon> LOL
[12:43] <sapphire> yeah, that's what we called paranoid
[12:43] <SnookPoon> I hope no ones hurt
[12:43] <[3j]> well the chopper swooped down his garage
[12:44] <SnookPoon> He was out there trying to shoot down PX when he saw the Zeta ship
[12:44] <[3j]> something to that effect... the pilot might face 1 month in jail
[12:44] <[3j]> and the shooter could face 8 yrs
[12:44] <sapphire> perhaps, but a man with comon sense would have called 911 before pulling an assault rifle
[12:45] <sapphire> too many budweisers
[12:47] <SnookPoon> Ethel....GO get my gun here come those black whirly birds try to cut up my cattle again!!
[12:48] <sapphire> hate to say it, because I support hand gun ownership, but there is a problem when people living in "suburbia" think they need assault rifles
[12:49] <sapphire> i've known a few of these people, and they are without exception mentally unstable individuals
[12:49] <SnookPoon> Yeah, you got that right
[12:49] <[3j]> it makes people feel safer
[12:49] <sapphire> and yes...the majority buy into nearly every NWO/UN/Black Helicopter conspiracy theory
[12:49] <sapphire> evidence not even needed for them
[12:50] <sapphire> most of these people don't live in the "ghetto", they live in a pretty little dreamland--go figure!
[12:52] <SnookPoon> Looking at my sediment indicators we are very close to getting at least a nice bounce here
[12:52] <sapphire> "sentiment"
[12:53] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I can't spell!
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[12:53] <sapphire> ok, cool.  For a second I thought you were panning gold
[12:53] <cmel> h
[12:53] <cmel> i
[12:53] <SnookPoon> hehe...when the sediment gets on the bottom of my beer it's time to buy
[12:54] <cmel> there was sediment on the last beer i had :(
[12:54] <sapphire> hope it was a dark beer
[12:54] <cmel> nope
[12:54] <sapphire> guiness?
[12:54] <cmel> ;(
[12:54] <SnookPoon> DOW down 228
[12:55] <cmel> yeah bad thing with worldcom
[12:55] <cmel> anyone a costumor
[12:55] <sapphire> yeah, i have information that TRW and Kodak are gonna be in the news before too long, as well
[12:56] <cmel> dammit sapp.
[12:56] <SnookPoon> No way!!! I would never do business with Worldcom
[12:56] <cmel> ok snook
[12:56] <SnookPoon> They still send me bills from years ago when they slammed my long distance
[12:56] <sapphire> some of our packets are flowing through worldcom hardware right now
[12:56] <SnookPoon> Yep
[12:56] <cmel> bad exp. with that co. huh
[12:57] <cmel> yes
[12:57] <SnookPoon> DOW down 233 with 3 min left
[12:58] <SnookPoon> Yeah, they were counting my bill as revenue and wouldn't take it off their books
[12:58] <SnookPoon> I guess they will now
[12:58] <cmel> r u sure ;( ????
[12:58] <sapphire> I had Verizon do that crap to me
[12:58] <SnookPoon> 237
[12:58] <sapphire> billed me for internet access in the state of Ohio
[12:58] <[3j]> i had sprint do that
[12:59] <sapphire> and I've never been to Ohio
[12:59] <cmel> it's going up again :)?
[12:59] <sapphire> it took me 5 months to get them to stop
[12:59] <SnookPoon> Yeah, They are bankrupt
[12:59] <SnookPoon> I've got DOW down 239
[13:00] <[3j]> markets closed?
[13:00] <[3j]> 3:54 east coast
[13:00] <cmel> but just a little ago you said 233 (228)
[13:01] <SnookPoon> The Central Banks are in there hammering gold trying to keep it down
[13:01] <cmel> if I had money to buy with I wouldn't, because I have little or no confidence in the market
[13:02] <SnookPoon> No it's closed now and DOW down 237
[13:02] <SnookPoon> That's why you should own gold
[13:03] <cmel> but thats just fiction hehe ... I have no money to invest
[13:03] <SnookPoon> It will really cut loose to the upside here soon as more and more investors realize that their "expert Wall Street Advisors" are lying to them and telling them the buy and hold scam
[13:04] <SnookPoon> Yep, hold it until it all gone!
[13:04] <sapphire> yes, i agree
[13:04] <cmel> yes it will, go that way I'm afraid
[13:04] <sapphire> if they haven't figured that out yet, they are blind
[13:04] <SnookPoon> Gotta run.....
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[13:20] <[3j]> i wonder if its gona go back u p
[13:21] <superzod> Anyone heard (or have a copy) a copy of Nanct latest radio interview on MONTREAL radio ????
[13:21] <[3j]> is it archived online?
[13:21] <sapphire> no, but that would be nice to have
[13:21] <superzod> I don't think it is archived online.
[13:22] <superzod> Butsome may have "recorded" it
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[13:22] <sapphire> i have "Blake Radio" and Art Bell interviews archived, i'll trade for Montreal interview
[13:23] <superzod> heheh....same here :)
[13:23] <superzod> Blake radio was GOOD.
[13:23] <Jeremy> hello
[13:23] <sapphire> i'll have that video interview after next week
[13:24] <superzod> be sure to digitise it and share with the group
[13:24] <[3j]> blake radio ??
[13:24] * FunBot sets mode: +l 23
[13:25] <sapphire> hopefully it won't be too large
[13:25] <sapphire> i'll have to play with the compression
[13:25] <[3j]> probably will end up being a few 100 megs
[13:25] <sapphire> or maybe have a seperate audio-only version as well
[13:26] <[3j]> but the video and audio would be so much better
[13:26] <sapphire> but windows media format can get pretty small...with quality loss of course
[13:26] * cmelbot is now known as cmel
[13:26] <[3j]> you have the software to do it?
[13:26] <superzod> depends on on the codec used. I have compressed 1 hours into 30megs
[13:26] <sapphire> of course, i do video all the time
[13:26] <Jeremy> Hi superzod, haven't spoken to you for while
[13:26] <[3j]> ok
[13:27] <cmel> I have the ftp-server to do it with :)
[13:27] <sapphire> i can also offer on cd
[13:27] <superzod> I mainly lure...and read later.  Time in heavy demand
[13:27] <cmel> :=)
[13:27] <sapphire> my cd version will be 700 MB Divx file
[13:27] <superzod> :)
[13:27] <sapphire> awesome quality
[13:27] <cmel> dammit
[13:28] <superzod> Cool.... How we gonna download that :)
[13:28] <sapphire> i might send it to one of the binary newsgroups if you want the 700MB version
[13:28] <cmel> you don't you order it by snail
[13:28] <sapphire> cmel, that would cost money
[13:28] <cmel> yes
[13:28] <cmel> hehe
[13:29] <sapphire> if you want to pay postage first i'll do it
[13:29] <superzod> Be sure to let us know which one.  Thanks in advance
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[13:30] <cmel> If you will i'll have "it" on ftp for 5 - 6 hours
[13:30] <cmel> a day
[13:30] <[3j]> so can i
[13:30] <cmel> resume is on
[13:30] <sapphire> yeah, if i get it under 50 MB
[13:31] <sapphire> i don't want to hog all the bandwidth from my webserver
[13:31] <cmel> k
[13:32] <dwander> what is this 50 MB about??
[13:33] <cmel> maybe splitting it up would be a good idea ?
[13:33] <IQx> My blake radio was 7.4MB
[13:34] <IQx> It is radio guys, you can and should use a lower quality format, then convert them to .wma (not mp3) and it will come out ot that size.
[13:34] <IQx> Most users use Windows OS, and can afford to download a ~.8 meg application (WinAmp Media Player).
[13:34] <cmel> can I have that file plz IQx ?
[13:35] <IQx> For those who use *nix or Mac, they should know where to get the plugins and codects for their OS.
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[13:35] <IQx> cmel: Unfortunately I had a HD crash about 3 weeks ago, lost 40 Gigs of data, about 1 of which is very sensitive data.
[13:35] <IQx> cmel: I will try to recover the file online, if I can.
[13:35] <cmel> k IQx :)
[13:36] <sapphire> IQx: 50MB was reference to video
[13:36] <IQx> Hmm, sirgrim removed access to the shell he provided me with.
[13:37] <IQx> sapphire: video ? Are we talking about the same thing ?
[13:37] <IQx> sapphire: I am talking about Blake Radio that Nancy L. was on a some months ago.
[13:37] <sapphire> right, but I was talking about the upcoming tv program
[13:38] <IQx> If its the video you are looking for, then I suggest converting it to DivX (www.divx.com) format, Radio Like Sound + MPEG4 Quality of 500MB will bring it down to about 80MB with DivX.
[13:38] <IQx> sapphire: Then I am mistakened. =)
[13:38] <IQx> www.wagd.com is down ?
[13:38] <sapphire> yes i do DivX all the time
[13:39] <sapphire> encodeing some stuff right now
[13:39] <IQx> sapphire: Alright, good luck then.
[13:39] <cmel> I have some files from artbell, on my ftp on 80.62.90.228:21
[13:39] <IQx> seen sirgrim
[13:39] <FunBot> sirgrim was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 78 days, 16 hours, 51 minutes ago.
[13:39] <cmel> acount : anonymous
[13:39] <IQx> not quite so FunBot
[13:39] <IQx> obany: When was sirgrim last seen ?
[13:40] <cmel> grimbot has been ther this weekend
[13:40] <IQx> Hosting them yourself cmel.
[13:40] <cmel> there
[13:40] <cmel> yes
[13:40] <IQx> seen grimbot
[13:40] <FunBot> grimbot was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 1 day, 20 hours, 4 minutes ago.
[13:44] <cmel> ping
[13:45] <IQx> pong ?
[13:45] <IQx> =)
[13:45] <cmel> hehe
[13:45] <cmel> ping
[13:45] <cmel> haha you lost
[13:45] <cmel> :)
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[13:46] <cmel> you found you'r file IQx ?
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[13:49] <cmel> No magnetism ..... hhhmmm
[13:49] <cmel> ¨:)
[13:50] <cmel> but repulsion
[13:50] <cmel> :(
[13:53] <cmel> am I THAT repulsive ?
[13:53] <cmel> :)
[13:54] <[3j]> lol
[13:54] <[3j]> http://users.pandora.be/bauknecht/Forumshit/StopFuckingFeedingIt.jpg
[13:54] <[3j]> crazy ppl
[13:54] <cmel> :)
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[13:56] <cmel> hi jur.
[13:57] <Jurian> hey :)
[13:57] <cmel> r u ok Jur. ?
[13:59] <Jurian> yep
[13:59] <cmel> me two :)
[14:01] <Jurian> good :)
[14:03] * cmel smiles
[14:04] <IQx> Jurian: !!
[14:04] <IQx> DCC Chat, ok ?
[14:04] <Jurian> hrm, ok
[14:06] <Jeremy> Have you guys heard about the root cellar method?
[14:08] <cmel> RCM what ??? no :)
[14:08] <Jeremy> Basically its a dugout cellar in the ground, where temperatures are much lower than the surface
[14:09] <Jeremy> It will be the best way I think to store (and thus preserve) food in the aftertime
[14:09] <cmel> and constant ?
[14:09] <cmel> the temp.
[14:09] <Jeremy> fairly constant yes, depending on how you construct the cellar
[14:10] <Jeremy> If you build one with two doors, an inner and outer one, than the temp. should remain more stable throughout the year, as it insulates the cellar
[14:10] <cmel> but is it low enough to keep food there
[14:11] <cmel> yes jer.
[14:11] <cmel> guess depends on the location
[14:11] <Jeremy> food can be stored at 70F (room temperature) but for every 10 degrees increase or so the shelf life of an item halves I think
[14:12] <Jeremy> With root cellar method you can get just a little warmer than a fridge
[14:14] <cmel> you've ever heard of stirling engines, they are very usefull
[14:14] <cmel> they run on heat
[14:14] <Jeremy> no, please tell me
[14:14] <IQx> http://humor.student.utwente.nl/images/scan0hardattack.jpg
[14:14] <IQx> Take a look at this.
[14:14] <IQx> Bad Humor
[14:15] <obany> hi
[14:15] <cmel> but if you make one run one in "reverse", the "reverse" one makes cold
[14:15] * obany returned
[14:16] <cmel> meaning it cools the surounding air down
[14:17] <Jeremy> where can you buy one?
[14:18] <cmel> well the only one could find that is viable is (just a sec ) but remeber to get two one to drive the other
[14:19] <Jeremy> ok, thx
[14:22] <cmel> sorry jerremy, but I can't find the link, but it's somewhere on www.stirlingengine.com
[14:22] <cmel> jeremy
[14:23] <Jeremy> thanks for looking cmel
[14:23] <cmel> it's in germany
[14:23] <cmel> thats ok
[14:23] <cmel> :)
[14:24] <cmel> so it's perhaps .ge
[14:24] <cmel> if thats german that ending ?? hehe
[14:24] <Jeremy> .de
[14:24] <cmel> there it is jer. thx for the education
[14:24] <cmel> :)
[14:25] <Jeremy> hehe vielen danke
[14:25] <cmel> danke yourself
[14:25] <Jeremy> Here is a link about root cellars
[14:26] <Jeremy> http://waltonfeed.com/old/cellars.html
[14:26] <cmel> k I'll book mark that hehe
[14:26] <Jeremy> It may vital in countries that are shifted into warmer climates
[14:26] <cmel> done, quick huh, :)
[14:27] <Jeremy> ya
[14:27] <cmel> I have to leave for a while, but I'll be back in about 30min
[14:27] <Jeremy> ok cmel
[14:28] <cmel> see yah
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[14:34] <djtrypt> whats up
[14:35] <Jeremy> hey dj
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[14:36] <Jeremy> hi natas
[14:36] <natas> Hi Jeremy
[14:36] <natas> hi everyone
[14:36] <[3j]> hi
[14:38] <obany> hi natas
[14:38] <[3j]> i just noticed your nick backwards is SATAN
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[14:39] <natas> whhhooooooooo
[14:39] <natas> evil huh?....lol
[14:39] <monk> I am I am here
[14:39] <[3j]> yea evil
[14:39] * FunBot sets mode: +l 26
[14:40] <[3j]> do you worship satan
[14:40] <natas> no, do you?
[14:40] <natas> goats maybe...lol
[14:40] <monk> who would wanna worship that ugly guy
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[14:41] <natas> well, the reverse of EVIL is LIVE, is that a strange coincidence?
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[14:42] <[3j]> lol
[14:42] <[3j]> yeah that is
[14:42] <[3j]> im just joking around natas
[14:42] <[3j]> your secret is safe
[14:43] <[3j]> (oh mighty lord of the dark i know its u!)
[14:43] <natas> yes,its ok...lol...you gotta have a sense of humour (at least in this life!)
[14:43] <djtrypt> hehehe
[14:44] <djtrypt> hey checkout a new song im working on
[14:44] <djtrypt> i need some feedback
[14:44] <djtrypt> b4 i send it to the mulittracks for the professional reslease of it
[14:44] <djtrypt> ftp://24.161.47.37/mp3
[14:44] <djtrypt> the song is called
[14:44] <djtrypt> dj trypt - deephouse(livemixed - nottrackked).MP3
[14:45] <djtrypt> tell me what you think
[14:46] <djtrypt> im looking for a sample of a male voice to go overi t too, but i dunno what i wanna sample yet htough
[14:46] <Jeremy> Ah yeah
[14:46] <[3j]> i dont think i make a good music critic dj
[14:46] <monk> i must be dumb but i cant find the song
[14:47] <djtrypt> oh yeah one sec
[14:47] <djtrypt> ill make a link for the entire song you just have to click on
[14:47] <monk> oh i fdound it sorry
[14:48] <monk> what kinda connection u got dj
[14:48] <monk> not bad upload
[14:48] <djtrypt> cable
[14:48] <djtrypt> like 10 other ppl are dl it too
[14:51] <djtrypt> i just throw up an away message on AIM, about check out my song, and liek 10 other ppl start to dl it
[14:51] <djtrypt> lol
[14:51] <natas> hey this is some collection of sounds
[14:51] <djtrypt> yeah i got a ton of shyt on my comp
[14:51] <djtrypt> i dont even share my private collection of samples and sound
[14:51] <djtrypt> those are all artists that i produce for
[14:51] <djtrypt> and collabe with
[14:51] <natas> great
[14:51] <djtrypt> i got porn, movies, appz, etc on there too
[14:51] <djtrypt> feel free to leach
[14:51] <monk> great!
[14:51] <natas> thanks
[14:51] <djtrypt> np
[14:51] <monk> im listening to it
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[14:51] <djtrypt> kewl
[14:51] <djtrypt> its really dark
[14:52] <djtrypt> hey ret whats up
[14:52] <reticuli> working, as usual
[14:53] <reticuli> how bout you?
[14:53] <djtrypt> oh yeah i got school in a few mins
[14:53] <djtrypt> yuck
[14:53] <djtrypt> on break right now
[14:53] <djtrypt> gotta write a term paper tonight
[14:53] <natas> hey these sounds are great
[14:53] <djtrypt> and a desriptive narrative, and work on a program
[14:53] <reticuli> http://salon.com/comics/tomo/2002/07/01/tomo/index.html
[14:53] <natas> just what I need down in HELL...lol
[14:53] <djtrypt> haha
[14:53] <djtrypt> its only 30% done
[14:53] <djtrypt> just started workin on it 2 hours ago
[14:55] <djtrypt> ret thats a riot
[14:55] <reticuli> :)
[14:55] <monk> its alright dj i dont really like it that much
[14:55] <monk> maybe if i had some bass it would be better
[14:55] <monk> I like trance better
[14:56] <reticuli> just thought it was appropriate in light of the new announcement from the director of homeland security that we are now living in a police state
[14:56] <djtrypt> hahah
[14:59] <djtrypt> the general consenses is that i need more bass
[14:59] <monk> well i was listening on ear phones not a system so kinda hard to really feel it
[14:59] <monk> you know what i mean
[14:59] <djtrypt> yeah
[14:59] <djtrypt> ;)
[14:59] <djtrypt> 5 other ppl told me i need more bass on it
[14:59] <[3j]> reticuli, is that the "are you american" comic
[14:59] <djtrypt> hahaha
[14:59] <reticuli> yes
[14:59] <[3j]> bah
[14:59] <djtrypt> its a scary fact
[14:59] <[3j]> salon are such jerks
[14:59] <reticuli> lol
[14:59] <djtrypt> but this is the attitude that we live around with right now
[14:59] <monk> I like the music to viberate in my body
[14:59] <djtrypt> with loud deep bass
[14:59] <djtrypt> makes for better sex
[14:59] <reticuli> is salon too liberal for you 3j?
[14:59] <monk> heheh
[14:59] <djtrypt> thats why i love drum and bass
[14:59] <djtrypt> great to bump to
[14:59] <[3j]> to my wife they are
[14:59] <[3j]> i cant vote so it makes no difference to me
[15:00] <reticuli> are you a foreigner or a felon?
[15:00] <[3j]> im a neighbor
[15:01] <[3j]> felons cant vote? wtf
[15:01] <reticuli> well we are all neighbors
[15:01] <[3j]> you meant cant vote from inside a jail ?
[15:01] <reticuli> no, they cant vote for the most part
[15:01] <[3j]> hmm
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[15:01] <reticuli> I think it varies jurisdiction by jurisdiction but is quite common
[15:01] <[3j]> i wonder why the LEFT WING LIBERALS wanted to get all the prisoners to vote then last election
[15:01] <reticuli> puhlease
[15:01] <[3j]> im foreigner reticuli, thats why
[15:02] <reticuli> :)
[15:02] <reticuli> where are you from?
[15:02] <[3j]> Canada
[15:02] <reticuli> one of those terroritst elements from the great white wasteland
[15:02] <reticuli> j/k
[15:03] <[3j]> the last election dems did try to get felons
[15:03] <SnookPoon> They just go through the jail and get them to register to vote and then get absentee ballots even though many of them can't vote
[15:03] <monk> in the usa its not even worth voting
[15:03] <monk> they rig it anyways
[15:03] <SnookPoon> They never check to see if they are ineligible
[15:03] <[3j]> thats just hearsay about canada caused by the northern states that want more money
[15:03] <cmelaway> hehe
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[15:03] <djtrypt> haha
[15:03] <[3j]> terrorists are coming through mexico
[15:03] <djtrypt> no not really
[15:03] <djtrypt> opps
[15:03] <djtrypt> my bad i misunderstood what you wrote
[15:04] <djtrypt> yeah not canada
[15:04] <SnookPoon> They are too coming in through Mexico.
[15:04] <monk> The real terrorists are already in the usa
[15:04] <cmel> bad you dj
[15:04] <djtrypt> anyone who has gone through the canadian/US border
[15:04] <SnookPoon> 5k will get you in
[15:04] <cmel> nope
[15:04] <reticuli> 3j, terrorist are coming from landley, VA
[15:04] <[3j]> all you need to do is run
[15:04] <[3j]> and your in!
[15:04] <djtrypt> yep
[15:04] <cmel> langley virginia ... hehe
[15:04] <SnookPoon> Through the smugglers ring
[15:04] <monk> the real terrorist is already living in the white house
[15:04] <djtrypt> however most terrorist are already in teh US hiding
[15:05] <djtrypt> waiting for there preset time to strike
[15:05] <[3j]> i crossed into and out of mexico withouth doing customs
[15:05] <cmel> yep monk
[15:05] <reticuli> well if memory serves me correct a private company contracted with the state to purge felons from the voter rolls, fortunately for bush the vast majority of those purged were african american non felon voters
[15:05] <[3j]> its very easy
[15:05] <[3j]> did it too through canada/usa
[15:05] <[3j]> also very easy
[15:05] <[3j]> hehe
[15:05] <cmel> :)
[15:05] <cmel> :(
[15:05] <reticuli> the enemy of the us is itself
[15:06] <reticuli> US
[15:06] <SnookPoon> They just register them as dead people and noone knows
[15:07] <djtrypt> yes
[15:07] <djtrypt> becuz the right hand doesn't knwo what the left hand is doing
[15:07] <monk> yup
[15:07] <djtrypt> there is no conspiracy
[15:08] <djtrypt> ppl who believe in the conspiracry theory
[15:08] <reticuli> so there has never been a conspiracy dj?
[15:08] <[3j]> are what?
[15:08] <djtrypt> merely deny the machine that they are part of
[15:08] <monk> mostly
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[15:08] <djtrypt> nono
[15:08] <djtrypt> i mean that there isn't one big conspriracy about aliens
[15:08] <djtrypt> or whatnot
[15:08] <djtrypt> you knoe x-file shyt
[15:09] <reticuli> I accept your point dj, and that is how the beast survives, but it is foolish to say that there is no such things as conspiracies
[15:09] <SnookPoon> I tell people all the time that the markets are rigged and are not free and they almost always say I'm a consprist.
[15:09] <[3j]> *almost* snook?
[15:09] <djtrypt> oh know there is a bunch on conspiracires
[15:09] <reticuli> well, read up on it and do the research then you can make those pronouncemts dj
[15:09] <djtrypt> and our gov't parties parttake in this everyday
[15:09] <djtrypt> infact i think the whole terriorist act on 9-11 was one of that
[15:09] <SnookPoon> They are rigged... It's called the Working Capital Group put in place by Regan
[15:10] <monk> they just go along with it only if the money keeps coming their way
[15:10] <djtrypt> haha you still aren't understanding ret
[15:10] <djtrypt> i mean that there isn't one organization
[15:10] <djtrypt> conspiraring against the american ppl to maintain control
[15:10] <SnookPoon> Yep,that's right
[15:10] <djtrypt> there are a bunch of lil conspiracries and some big ones
[15:10] <djtrypt> that leak out
[15:11] <reticuli> ok, I agree with you dj, there is more than one organization
[15:11] <djtrypt> and they all are against themselves or about a previous conspiracy
[15:11] <SnookPoon> The biggest transfer of wealth in history is taking place right NOW
[15:11] <djtrypt> yes yes
[15:11] <djtrypt> haha
[15:11] <djtrypt> not right now
[15:11] <reticuli> explain your statement about no conspiracy about aliens?
[15:11] <[3j]> i dont know..
[15:11] <djtrypt> its been going on for the last 100 years or more
[15:11] <djtrypt> i do not believe there is a conspracy about aliens
[15:11] <monk> i think its been happening for more then 2000 years
[15:12] <djtrypt> the US hasn't been around that long
[15:12] <[3j]> what if the recent big downturn is just all the foreigners taking the $ out of the market. look at america there is industry there is commerce, its not just going to vanish
[15:12] <djtrypt> silly
[15:12] <cmel> bbs
[15:12] <monk> usa isn't the only one that conspires
[15:12] <djtrypt> nope that doesn't effect the economy that much
[15:12] <djtrypt> no
[15:12] <djtrypt> but lets keep it to one area at a time ;)
[15:12] <monk> but the usa is the leader of them all
[15:12] <[3j]> that was directed to snook
[15:13] <djtrypt> is one who steals a 100$ no better then one who steal 10,000$
[15:13] <djtrypt> ?
[15:13] <reticuli> lets talk specefics.... area 51, roswell, mj-12
[15:13] <djtrypt> haha prove it to me
[15:13] <djtrypt> those are all run by the gov't to hide something
[15:13] <[3j]> area 51 existed
[15:13] <reticuli> I wont bother, juts feeling you out
[15:13] <djtrypt> that another gov't organization probably created
[15:13] <djtrypt> yeah it does
[15:13] <djtrypt> but who;s to say aliens are kept in it
[15:14] <cmel> past tense 3j
[15:14] <djtrypt> you do know they are working on rail guns and electron guns too
[15:14] <reticuli> people that have been there
[15:14] <cmel> :)
[15:14] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:14] <djtrypt> i dont deny that
[15:14] <monk> they pretty much had star trek technology back in the 60's i wonder what they got now
[15:14] <djtrypt> i just dont believe area 51 was created for the sole purpose of to hide aliens
[15:14] <djtrypt> you dont wanna know
[15:14] <reticuli> ok, so what]
[15:14] <djtrypt> ;)
[15:15] <djtrypt> humm good question
[15:15] <monk> the thing that scares me is mind controll
[15:15] <SnookPoon> its called depression
[15:15] <djtrypt> cuz there is another gov't agency covering that up
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[15:15] <reticuli> that sounds like a conspiracy
[15:15] <djtrypt> yeah it is
[15:15] <djtrypt> you ever watch the cube?
[15:15] <djtrypt> if you haven't i suggest you watch it
[15:16] <monk> whats the cube
[15:16] <djtrypt> its explains everything you wanna know about the truths of the gov
[15:16] <djtrypt> okay
[15:16] <djtrypt> 6 random ppl end up in this hige rubix cube lookin thing
[15:16] <reticuli> lol, ok, I'll try and start watching the idiot box so that I can learn whats really going on
[15:17] <SnookPoon> 3j: It's a combination of foreigners taking money aout of the US and domestic shareholders moving into Bonds.
[15:17] <SnookPoon> and Gold
[15:17] <djtrypt> yeah a trikkle down effect
[15:17] <SnookPoon> The next big scandle that will be even bigger than the POP of the asset bubble is the POP of the Debt bubble
[15:17] <monk> hear about the conspiracy that people been selling gold to keep the price down
[15:17] <djtrypt> gold
[15:18] <djtrypt> that has nuttin to do wit anything
[15:18] <djtrypt> we went off the gold standard years ago
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[15:18] <djtrypt> we switched our monetary system
[15:18] <djtrypt> in the 80's
[15:18] <monk> when u have a gold bar in your hands that means something
[15:18] <djtrypt> i believe
[15:18] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:18] <djtrypt> but thats not the basis of our money
[15:18] <reticuli> you dont get dj
[15:18] <SnookPoon> No it's not People selling gold it is a coordinated effort of the Central banks to dump gold on the market to keep it down
[15:19] <SnookPoon> See gold is a currency.
[15:19] <djtrypt> haha
[15:19] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:19] <monk> thats why the us dollar has been losing value because more fait money is being made
[15:19] <djtrypt> it that aspect
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[15:19] <SnookPoon> the only currency that has hard asset value
[15:19] <djtrypt> but to the stock market and corp economy
[15:19] <djtrypt> it has no wieght we live in a globalized economy
[15:19] <monk> spookpoon: thats what i meant
[15:19] <djtrypt> everything change on scale
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[15:19] <SnookPoon> The goverments don't want gold high because they can't print more of that currency
[15:20] <djtrypt> thats not how you keep inflation down
[15:20] <SnookPoon> The can print worthless paper money (fiat) all day long
[15:20] <djtrypt> let me go get m macro economic
[15:20] <djtrypt> book
[15:20] <djtrypt> haha
[15:20] <djtrypt> that money isn't based on gold anymore
[15:20] <SnookPoon> Right
[15:20] <monk> a penny will be worth more then a 100$ bill one day
[15:20] <djtrypt> give me a min
[15:21] <djtrypt> let me get my book
[15:21] <reticuli> dj, noone is arguing that we are still using the gold standard, you are confused
[15:21] <SnookPoon> you mean the copper in it
[15:21] <monk> we never said that dj
[15:21] <djtrypt> one sec
[15:21] <djtrypt> trust me
[15:21] <reticuli> so dont bother with the book
[15:21] <djtrypt> i jus tlearned it last semester in economics
[15:21] <reticuli> dude
[15:21] <reticuli> you dont get it
[15:21] <monk> we all know the federal reserve is doing illegal things
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[15:22] <monk> errr its legal for them heh
[15:22] <djtrypt> but if you assume
[15:22] <djtrypt> then you have no principal;
[15:22] <djtrypt> or hard truth
[15:22] <djtrypt> just assumtions
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[15:22] <djtrypt> and that is not fact
[15:22] <reticuli> what is an assumption?
[15:22] <reticuli> what are we assuming
[15:22] <djtrypt> that you assume the gov
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[15:22] <monk> were assuming paper money isn't backed by gold and silver
[15:22] <djtrypt> 't is doing majory illegal things about gold
[15:22] <SnookPoon> The Federal reserve Bank in the US is a private corporation
[15:22] <monk> but its fact
[15:23] <djtrypt> no your wrong
[15:23] <djtrypt> the federal reserve is not a private copr
[15:23] <djtrypt> it is owned by the ppl
[15:23] <[3j]> ive read about that snook
[15:23] <djtrypt> and is regualated by a board of trutees
[15:23] <reticuli> no, you are flat wrong dj, it is a private corporation
[15:23] <[3j]> the fed reserve didnt it come along around ww1, along with the imposation of income tax
[15:23] <SnookPoon> They have free rain to manipulate the markets in any way they see fit with no oversite by the executive branch of goverment
[15:23] <monk> www.bankindex.com is a good webpage about this subject
[15:23] <djtrypt> you talkin about the fed reserve right
[15:23] <reticuli> y
[15:24] <SnookPoon> Yes they are private!!!
[15:24] <SnookPoon> I'll bet you!
[15:24] <reticuli> now you can go get your book dj
[15:24] <SnookPoon> Congress created them in 1913 I believe
[15:24] <djtrypt> yo uare talking about federal reserve banks
[15:24] <djtrypt> those are private
[15:25] <djtrypt> but they report to the federal reserve
[15:25] <djtrypt> haha
[15:25] <djtrypt> i got my book out nbow
[15:25] <reticuli> this is getting schizophrenic
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[15:25] <djtrypt> its copyright 2001 is that new enough
[15:25] <djtrypt> heheh
[15:25] <reticuli> whatever
[15:25] <djtrypt> no we are learning
[15:25] <SnookPoon> They did it when evryone in the house and senate had left for the Xmas break because they knew that would be the only time the could push it through
[15:25] <djtrypt> its all good
[15:26] <reticuli> no, its not all good
[15:26] <reticuli> if it were all good then it would not be good
[15:26] <SnookPoon> Back then travel was not very fast.
[15:26] <SnookPoon> people had to leave early to get back home
[15:26] <djtrypt> the board of governors appointed by the president is in charge of the federal reserve system and must be voted in by the senate
[15:27] <SnookPoon> Yes.
[15:27] <djtrypt> there are 12 federal reserve banks that recieve there money from the reserve board
[15:27] <SnookPoon> yes.
[15:27] <monk> a senator is a good job
[15:27] <djtrypt> then commerical banks get there money from the 12
[15:27] <[3j]> alouette gentil alouette
[15:27] <monk> they get alot of lobbist
[15:27] <[3j]> my name is pepe le pew and i'm in luuuuuve
[15:27] <reticuli> lol
[15:28] <monk> Im spending all my money before its useless
[15:28] <[3j]> sorry, but economics is not something I know :(
[15:28] <monk> gotta stockpile food
[15:28] <[3j]> monk your not serious are you
[15:28] <djtrypt> neways monk is right in the fact
[15:28] <monk> yes i am
[15:28] <djtrypt> it doesn't matter wether you
[15:29] <SnookPoon> The can do what ever they want and were given control over all the US gold supply and there has never been an audit to see if it's even still there.
[15:29] <[3j]> all your cash!?
[15:29] <djtrypt> base you money on glad or supply and demand
[15:29] <monk> i only have 700$
[15:29] <monk> im not rich
[15:29] <[3j]> hey about stockpiles, isnt it the Mormons that make sure they always have stockpiles of food
[15:29] <djtrypt> the gov't influence other parties to keep our economy and value for the dollar hogh
[15:29] <reticuli> that should take a few hours monk
[15:29] <reticuli> get a hooker and a fifth
[15:29] <djtrypt> yeah your right
[15:29] <djtrypt> those mormons
[15:29] <djtrypt> craz yppl
[15:29] <djtrypt> if you ask me
[15:30] <djtrypt> i live 20 mins from the birth place of there founder
[15:30] <reticuli> noone asked you, you are an idiot
[15:30] <reticuli> you cant think straight
[15:30] <[3j]> i live 30 mins from a huge mormom temple
[15:30] <monk> kinda said if u were a billionare and all of a sudden money wasn't of value
[15:30] <[3j]> makes some of the nicest churches in the east coast look like small potatoes
[15:30] <monk> sad
[15:30] <djtrypt> haha
[15:30] <monk> I would like to see that happen
[15:30] <djtrypt> and that will be the first lesson of the shift
[15:31] <djtrypt> the value of money is worth nuttin
[15:31] <monk> yup
[15:31] <djtrypt> in comparision to the value of life
[15:31] <monk> they will still have their mansions
[15:31] <monk> but there will be no police to pay to protect it
[15:32] <[3j]> i guess its an easy thing to think about
[15:32] <[3j]> "no problem, money being worthless, i dont care i dont have any!"
[15:32] <[3j]> i dont look forward to it
[15:32] <monk> I think money being worthless will help our transformation
[15:32] <reticuli> Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lender. " Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934
[15:34] <SnookPoon> Yep.
[15:34] <SnookPoon> He was right
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[15:35] <reticuli> thank god
[15:35] <reticuli> http://www.federal-reserve.net/isaprivatelyownedcorporation.htm
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[15:38] <reticuli> the mormions have more of a community than you and your degenerates will ever have trypt
[15:38] <djtrypt> hahahaha
[15:38] <djtrypt> hahahahah
[15:38] <djtrypt> hahahahha
[15:38] <reticuli> yeah, laugh asshole cause its true
[15:38] <monk> the mormons came to my house like a few times
[15:38] <djtrypt> i dated a mormon for 3 years
[15:38] <djtrypt> and they are the most fukked up ppl i have ever meet
[15:38] <djtrypt> in fact another one of my friends who was a mormom
[15:38] <monk> was she hot ?
[15:38] <[3j]> i always entertain the 2 mormon guys that come here
[15:38] <djtrypt> yes:)
[15:39] <[3j]> they are very stubborn but listen to my crazed speeches anyway
[15:39] <djtrypt> another mormon friend
[15:39] <djtrypt> i knew through all of school
[15:39] <djtrypt> ...
[15:39] <reticuli> well, you know what there are fucked up people all over, where the hell do you get off condeming an entire religion cuz you were stupid enough to date a kook
[15:39] <djtrypt> it fukked her life, she turned to a crack head, and a whore
[15:39] <djtrypt> its not one
[15:39] <djtrypt> ive been to the memorial
[15:40] <reticuli> ?
[15:40] <[3j]> whats weird though, is why are the mormons missionaries always the ones being killed/kidnapped/maimed/etc
[15:40] <djtrypt> im not dising something i havenot witnessed first hand
[15:40] <monk> christan religion is fucked up also
[15:40] <monk> most of it
[15:40] <djtrypt> no religon that make you have to convert ppl is worth believing in
[15:40] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:40] <djtrypt> it is
[15:40] <monk> buddist is the best
[15:40] <djtrypt> catholism is just as bad as any organized religon
[15:40] <djtrypt> yeh
[15:40] <djtrypt> thats what i believe now
[15:41] <monk> they dont need material stuff so they dont care
[15:41] <reticuli> you have no right to condem an entire religion... mormons are good hard working people, and if you dont like them then stay away, but as far as im concerned your girlfreind just as likely became a crack whore cuz of dating you for three years
[15:41] <monk> they got their misionaries and just pray all day
[15:41] <monk> and eat bread and drink water
[15:41] <djtrypt> haha
[15:41] <djtrypt> that wansn't my gf
[15:41] <djtrypt> that was her best friend
[15:41] <[3j]> well the mormom church as a whole is weird
[15:41] <monk> Im called monk because i am kick back
[15:42] <djtrypt> there area i live in is like 35% mormon atleast
[15:42] <[3j]> a few months ago a mormom who had 10 + wives was going to jail
[15:42] <[3j]> a resident of utah
[15:42] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:42] <[3j]> and the mormom church didnt even do anything.. even though they used to do it
[15:42] <djtrypt> whats the deal with baligamey
[15:42] <reticuli> are you brain damaged <djtrypt> i dated a mormon for 3 years
[15:42] <[3j]> poli
[15:42] <djtrypt> or howevery ou spell it
[15:42] <[3j]> poly
[15:42] <djtrypt> if youy read what i worte after
[15:43] <djtrypt> i said another mormon friend
[15:43] <djtrypt> im not gonna argue about religon
[15:43] <djtrypt> its not a place to argue
[15:43] <[3j]> i dont think its a religion argument
[15:43] <djtrypt> you cant change ppl's veiws, every organized religon is just as bad ast the other
[15:43] <[3j]> its more something about generalization and stereotypes
[15:43] <reticuli> no, you are a bigot dj
[15:43] <djtrypt> true im incorrect to stereotype
[15:43] <djtrypt> and im sowie
[15:43] <djtrypt> that was ignorant
[15:44] <djtrypt> but im not god, and i get heated up when ppl mention mormons
[15:44] <[3j]> anyway the mormoms high up the ranks worship lucifer, not jesus.
[15:44] <reticuli> what!
[15:44] <djtrypt> i dont know abotu that
[15:44] <djtrypt> ??
[15:44] <reticuli> now thats soemthing we can talk about
[15:44] <[3j]> the child of light is who they worship
[15:44] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:44] <monk> wow they really worship the angel of lihgt
[15:44] <monk> ?
[15:44] <djtrypt> i think that tops my statement
[15:44] <[3j]> and if the mormoms only knew that the original people who came to america, where BLACK africans
[15:45] <[3j]> whom they claim to be whatever, the lost tribe
[15:45] <djtrypt> ???
[15:45] <djtrypt> are you sewrious
[15:45] <[3j]> hah, the mormom morale would dissipate quick
[15:45] <djtrypt> well technically native americans were here first
[15:45] <djtrypt> but i wont get into that discuss, cuz its personal
[15:45] <reticuli> well, you cant just say that the child of light is is lucifer, thats a stretch
[15:45] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:45] <djtrypt> i agree
[15:46] <[3j]> its just a conspiracy theory guys
[15:46] <monk> well thats what most people say
[15:46] <monk> they say it in the bible i believe
[15:46] <djtrypt> andy our right the mormons have a great network of ppl
[15:46] * obany will go now bye take care sleep well
[15:46] <reticuli> do you have any good links on mormon esoterica 3j?
[15:46] <djtrypt> they convert thousands of ppl everyday
[15:46] <[3j]> no, most of this stuff is from talk around here
[15:46] <reticuli> lol
[15:46] <[3j]> talk around here = not irc, life
[15:46] <djtrypt> yeah thats not too creditable
[15:46] <djtrypt> ohh
[15:46] <reticuli> oh
[15:47] <reticuli> hehe
[15:47] <[3j]> as if a conspiracy site would be credible
[15:47] <djtrypt> hehehe
[15:47] <monk> alot of disinformation out there
[15:47] <djtrypt> would that be a conspiracy in its self
[15:47] <djtrypt> ?
[15:47] <reticuli> this is the last place that I would trust as a source of info
[15:47] <djtrypt> hehehe
[15:47] <[3j]> still I wonder why the mormom missionaries arent welcomed so open armed
[15:47] <reticuli> they are
[15:47] <reticuli> they got $$$
[15:48] <djtrypt> i usually let them in my house
[15:48] <obany> bye
[15:48] <[3j]> bye obany
[15:48] <djtrypt> by
[15:48] <reticuli> guten evening
[15:48] <djtrypt> i always ask them to smoke a bowl, and they usually leave
[15:48] <monk> ahhahah
[15:48] <djtrypt> i give em a pamplet of NORML
[15:48] <djtrypt> and send them on there way
[15:48] <[3j]> i meant worldwide.. how many times have you heard about missionaries killed/kidnapped -> they were mormoms
[15:48] <monk> I would stay with ya dj untill u kicked me out
[15:48] <djtrypt> hehehe
[15:48] <reticuli> hmm, never noticed a correlation
[15:48] <[3j]> ah i knew you smoked weed dj
[15:49] <reticuli> it shows
[15:49] <[3j]> your always stoned arent you
[15:49] <obany> nah i am dutch, and it's nite .. so it's goedenacht and if it's evening it's goedenavond
[15:49] <obany> okay bye now
[15:49] <djtrypt> in my book any religon that has to convert or maintain power over ppl to keep there idealogies is evil
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[15:49] <reticuli> i was being faecious obany
[15:49] <monk> I hear ya dj
[15:49] <obany> k. ooh well no problem bye
[15:49] <reticuli> goedenacht
[15:49] <djtrypt> beaunos noche
[15:49] <obany> :)
[15:49] <SnookPoon> I'm gonna go become a mormon and come over to your house dj
[15:49] <reticuli> buenos
[15:49] <djtrypt> hehehe
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[15:50] <[3j]> arriba
[15:50] <djtrypt> man thats a conspiracy if ive seen one
[15:50] <djtrypt> marijuana laws
[15:50] <monk> for real
[15:50] <[3j]> its not
[15:50] <[3j]> marijuana eats the ambition out of people
[15:50] <SnookPoon> Don't get me going on that one!
[15:50] <djtrypt> so does caffine
[15:50] <djtrypt> and alchol
[15:50] <reticuli> bullshit
[15:50] <SnookPoon> and candy
[15:50] <djtrypt> and over the counter prescriptions
[15:50] <reticuli> caffeine is a stimulant
[15:50] <monk> alchool is so much worst then marijuana
[15:51] <[3j]> yeah dj
[15:51] <djtrypt> you know that tryptime deriavitive are found in cough medicine
[15:51] <[3j]> i have a cup of coffee and im so much more efficient and willing to work
[15:51] <djtrypt> what is used to cut most pills of e
[15:51] <monk> I thin asprin is worst then marijuana
[15:51] <SnookPoon> Candy is evil it rots your teeth
[15:51] <djtrypt> but its bad for you
[15:51] <djtrypt> not natural
[15:51] <djtrypt> i dont eat candy
[15:51] <reticuli> but whats your point then DJ, that pot is not bad for ypur brain cuz their are worse drugs
[15:51] <djtrypt> so it doesn't rot my teeth
[15:51] <reticuli> ?
[15:51] <djtrypt> haha think of the money in put
[15:51] <djtrypt> pot
[15:51] <[3j]> no pot is a conspiracy theory
[15:51] * FunBot sets mode: +l 23
[15:51] <djtrypt> im from NH, the number one crop in NH and VT is pot
[15:51] <monk> You dont see people on weed crashing their cars
[15:52] <[3j]> before it was outlawed, the USA had to do a massive propaganda campaign against marijuana first
[15:52] <djtrypt> its not about the pot itself
[15:52] <reticuli> pot= endless conspiracy theory and paranoia
[15:52] <SnookPoon> same in Kentucky and tennessee
[15:52] <djtrypt> its the effect of the llegalization
[15:52] <monk> people who drink they are bound to get in a crash
[15:52] <SnookPoon> same in hawaiii
[15:52] <[3j]> i remember seeing some old posters of "pot is not american"
[15:52] <djtrypt> if you regualre a black market
[15:52] <djtrypt> in an aconomy
[15:52] <djtrypt> you mess around with the total liquid funds in the economy
[15:52] <monk> You can grow marijuana anywhere.... thats the problem
[15:53] <djtrypt> hehehe
[15:53] <[3j]> yes but you need alot of plants to get a big crop
[15:53] <djtrypt> YEAH but if the gov't legalizes then it will produce it
[15:53] <[3j]> and its not like you can fit 20-30 plants in your backyard garden
[15:53] <monk> I just need one chronic plant and im good to go
[15:53] <djtrypt> and grant liscense to specific growers
[15:53] <djtrypt> umm you can ;)
[15:53] <reticuli> some people really should avoid cannabis
[15:53] <monk> you can grow hundreds in your garden
[15:54] <djtrypt> yeah just like anything in life
[15:54] <[3j]> you need a big garden to grow hundreds
[15:54] <[3j]> pot plants get big...
[15:54] <djtrypt> if ytou know it causes you problems then dont do it
[15:54] <reticuli> your one of them dj
[15:54] <monk> You can grow them all together
[15:54] <djtrypt> i smoke pot so i dont have to take riddilen
[15:54] <djtrypt> for OCD
[15:54] <djtrypt> and axiouty
[15:54] <monk> but u gotta take out the males or they will pollunate the females
[15:54] <reticuli> yeah, im sure that it masks the problem
[15:54] <djtrypt> anxiety
[15:54] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:54] <djtrypt> clones
[15:54] <SnookPoon> I have a friend that smokes because of ADHD
[15:55] <[3j]> monk, hehe youve done it before? :)
[15:55] <djtrypt> yep
[15:55] <monk> yes
[15:55] <reticuli> pot actually increases anxiety in long term usage
[15:55] <djtrypt> it balances me out if not i get paranoid
[15:55] <[3j]> i smoke pot because i like feeling real stupid
[15:55] <reticuli> pot=paranoia
[15:55] <djtrypt> it has the oppisite effects one me
[15:55] <djtrypt> no
[15:55] <djtrypt> wrong
[15:55] <djtrypt> you dont knwo how inhibitors work
[15:55] <djtrypt> if a normal person takes an ameptamine
[15:55] <SnookPoon> It makes me hyper
[15:55] <monk> pot doesn't make me paranoid
[15:55] <djtrypt> you are sped up
[15:56] <djtrypt> if you are hyper and take ampehtamines
[15:56] <djtrypt> you calm down
[15:56] <monk> when i took ridlin it felt like it was coke
[15:56] <[3j]> nevada has a vote in november to legalize possession of marijuana up to 3 oz
[15:56] <reticuli> I have studied neurobiology in college , so please4 explain to me how imhibitors work
[15:56] <djtrypt> cuz its a synth coke
[15:56] <reticuli> im all for it 3j
[15:56] <djtrypt> haha
[15:56] <djtrypt> man why you gotta act like an ass
[15:56] <djtrypt> you spout shyt you dont know about
[15:56] <SnookPoon> Can I vote out in Nevada?
[15:56] <[3j]> gambling, prostitution, pot
[15:57] <djtrypt> then when someone is trying to explain something to you
[15:57] <reticuli> I believe that it has a different effect on you dj
[15:57] <monk> what a wonderful state
[15:57] <[3j]> hehe
[15:57] <reticuli> hey, I type slow
[15:57] <SnookPoon> Someone please send me a dead felon absentee ballot
[15:57] <djtrypt> haha how do you know what effect it has on me
[15:57] <djtrypt> you have never met me
[15:57] <djtrypt> hehehe
[15:57] <[3j]> your high now?
[15:57] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:57] <reticuli> well, I can only go on what you are describing
[15:57] <[3j]> heh
[15:57] <djtrypt> umm no
[15:57] <djtrypt> i smoked
[15:57] <djtrypt> 4 hours ago
[15:57] <djtrypt> gotta do some work
[15:57] <djtrypt> lata
[15:57] <monk> later
[15:58] <[3j]> hehehe
[15:58] <djtrypt> im not leaving, are you high?
[15:58] <djtrypt> hahaha
[15:58] <reticuli> duh dude, you said it had a different effect on you, thats how I know
[15:58] <monk> They took my chronic out of my bag
[15:58] <sapphire> dj: no big deal, half the folks are drunk in here during some of our best conversations :)
[15:58] <reticuli> lol
[15:58] <[3j]> i have no chronic and i have no bag
[15:58] <djtrypt> hahaha
[15:58] <djtrypt> i have chronic
[15:58] <djtrypt> and a big bag
[15:58] <reticuli> it shows ;)
[15:58] <djtrypt> and i cant smoke anymore, its teasing me on the table, i had to put it away
[15:58] <djtrypt> hahaha
[15:58] <reticuli> sorry dude, couldnt resist
[15:58] <djtrypt> its all good
[15:58] <djtrypt> :)
[15:59] <djtrypt> im a pothead
[15:59] <djtrypt> but im not a loser pothead
[15:59] <SnookPoon> I have no chronic and no bag please don't rup it in
[15:59] <djtrypt> there is a diff
[15:59] <djtrypt> hehehe
[15:59] <[3j]> are you still a student dj?
[15:59] <djtrypt> yeah
[15:59] <reticuli> im sure most are in here, I just think that it might actually be creating more problems for you than you realize
[15:59] <djtrypt> 3rd year
[15:59] <djtrypt> how spo
[15:59] <djtrypt> ive smoked throughout all of HS
[15:59] <reticuli> yeah
[15:59] <[3j]> so did I
[15:59] <djtrypt> had a 3.9 gpa
[15:59] <djtrypt> got into RPI for electrical engineering
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[16:00] <monk> I smoked during highschool years and i never passed
[16:00] <djtrypt> realized that i didn't wanna moakje washer machine timers for a living
[16:00] <monk> i ditched to go smoke
[16:00] <[3j]> however once I got in the real world I soon realized what kind of fuct up stuff pot can do
[16:00] <djtrypt> and wanted to be an artist my true passion
[16:00] <reticuli> well, I just think that your thinking process is scattered and illogical
[16:00] <reticuli> but I guess thats your biz
[16:00] <djtrypt> i take ginko that helps alot
[16:00] <djtrypt> naw i jus thave too much going on
[16:01] <reticuli> yeah, you need to slow your brain down
[16:01] <monk> actually i like doing work when im high
[16:01] <djtrypt> i got a few friends over, listening to music, and watchin a movie
[16:01] <reticuli> later
[16:01] <djtrypt> cuz i hgaven't smoke
[16:01] <djtrypt> give me a few mins
[16:01] <djtrypt> brb
[16:01] <reticuli> sad
[16:02] <djtrypt> you know nuttin
[16:02] <reticuli> ok
[16:02] <djtrypt> i regulate my intake
[16:02] <SnookPoon> makes me happy
[16:02] <djtrypt> to no more then one g per day
[16:02] <reticuli> im sure you do
[16:02] <reticuli> jesus
[16:02] <djtrypt> a gram
[16:02] <monk> I used to be high for like a year straight but i slowed down and only smoked once in the past 2 weeks
[16:02] <djtrypt> tahts not much pot
[16:02] <reticuli> yeah, thats a lot
[16:02] <SnookPoon> he loved it
[16:02] <djtrypt> i stopped last year for 6 months
[16:02] <djtrypt> it was horrible
[16:02] <reticuli> what do you smoke mexi schwag
[16:03] <djtrypt> i relaized how mean ppl are, and lost all of my patience
[16:03] <monk> sometmes
[16:03] <reticuli> thats called an addiction dude
[16:03] <djtrypt> haha
[16:03] <djtrypt> no purple haze
[16:03] <djtrypt> and northen lights
[16:03] <djtrypt> dankest of dank
[16:03] <monk> i smoke alot of stress
[16:03] <djtrypt> VT's finest
[16:03] <monk> and mid grades
[16:03] <reticuli> one g a day of that is a lot
[16:03] <monk> im not rich
[16:03] <djtrypt> haha not for 14 hours
[16:03] <djtrypt> thats about 3 bowls
[16:03] <reticuli> if you cant stop then your are an addict
[16:03] <monk> one gram isn't enough
[16:03] <djtrypt> i did stop for 6 months last year
[16:04] <djtrypt> read what i wrote
[16:04] <reticuli> exactly
[16:04] <reticuli> and it was horrible
[16:04] <djtrypt> then i realized that the world and my life is the same either way
[16:04] <monk> well maybe if u conserve and hold the hit in untill there is no smoke
[16:04] <djtrypt> humm no
[16:04] <reticuli> so you cant deal with life so you go back to tend your bong
[16:04] <djtrypt> it wasd great for the first 3 months
[16:04] <djtrypt> then i started realizing more of what random ppl said
[16:04] <djtrypt> and 80% of the general public are assholes
[16:05] <djtrypt> besides i dont drink alchol
[16:05] <djtrypt> cept in social situtations
[16:05] <reticuli> thats normal, the bodyt is so happy not to be fukked up constantly, after the first few months pass though you have to deal with life
[16:05] <djtrypt> and never get drunk
[16:05] <djtrypt> haha no
[16:05] <djtrypt> its not like that
[16:05] <[3j]> well
[16:05] <monk> yea people are assholes
[16:05] <[3j]> pot is just as addictive as smoking cigs
[16:05] <reticuli> thats called denial
[16:05] <djtrypt> if your not a stoner then you wouldn't understand no offense
[16:05] <[3j]> especially if you smoke every day, like a cig, for 6-10 years
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[16:05] <monk> ciggerates are more addictive
[16:05] <djtrypt> that what they want you to think
[16:05] <[3j]> good luck trying to quit pot
[16:06] <reticuli> you have no idea who I am dj
[16:06] <djtrypt> cig are like 1000000x worse
[16:06] <[3j]> no its the truth I've been there
[16:06] <djtrypt> no
[16:06] <[3j]> and ive quit pot, cig and rocks
[16:06] <djtrypt> but since we are
[16:06] <reticuli> you are in such denial buddy
[16:06] <[3j]> yes he is
[16:06] <djtrypt> online i
[16:06] <djtrypt> aight
[16:06] <monk> i used to smoke ciggerates and weed
[16:06] <djtrypt> whatever
[16:06] <[3j]> its normal i used to deny the addictvness
[16:06] <[3j]> nah pot isnt addictive!
[16:06] <[3j]> not at all....
[16:07] <djtrypt> yeah it is
[16:07] <reticuli> its so obvious to people that have gone throug it , you are transparent
[16:07] <monk> my throat started to hurt cause of the ciggerates i quit ciggerates and kept smoking weed my throat got better
[16:07] <djtrypt> but im not addicted nor ever was
[16:07] <djtrypt> im addicted to cigs
[16:07] <djtrypt> not pot
[16:07] <[3j]> then you smoke some in the morning, after breakfeast, in between breakfeast-lunch, before lunch, after lunch, etc etc
[16:07] <reticuli> you are in lying to yourself 3j
[16:07] <reticuli> oops
[16:07] <reticuli> I meant to say dj
[16:07] <monk> actually u smoke right after u wake up
[16:07] <[3j]> heh
[16:07] <djtrypt> i dont do that
[16:07] <[3j]> yea wake and bake :)
[16:07] <djtrypt> it fukks wit me too much
[16:08] <djtrypt> i only smoek after i finsih everything for the day
[16:08] <[3j]> once i get a new stash, ill be waking and baking for a while
[16:08] <djtrypt> and i go days iwt out smokin
[16:08] <MaxDevlin> all the studies state pot is not addictive physically, yet you can become mentally addicted.
[16:08] <reticuli> what time is that dj 10am ?
[16:08] <[3j]> max, you hit it on the head
[16:08] <djtrypt> no
[16:08] <reticuli> thanxs max
[16:08] <[3j]> hit the nail on the head
[16:08] <djtrypt> 7 something
[16:08] <monk> I used to be high all day long for 24/7 for about a year
[16:08] <djtrypt> pm
[16:08] <djtrypt> i cant do that
[16:08] <monk> kinda sad when u dont know what it feels like to be sober
[16:08] <djtrypt> its not healthy
[16:08] <djtrypt> yeah exactly
[16:08] <djtrypt> you need to balance
[16:09] <[3j]> everyone I knew that smoked 24/7 with me said that
[16:09] <[3j]> everyone who smokes all the time says that
[16:09] <[3j]> its classic denial
[16:09] <djtrypt> okay
[16:09] <djtrypt> whatever
[16:09] <[3j]> YOU ARE A JUNKY!!!! :)
[16:09] <djtrypt> that is an oxymoron
[16:09] <djtrypt> pot junkie
[16:09] <djtrypt> thats a fukkin riot
[16:10] <reticuli> pot is VERY addictive and you are in such denial if you think otherwise, Let me ask you a question dj, why do you have so much invested in it not being addictive, I mean if I did a couple of lines of coke once and awhile you know I would not deny it was addictive...Why not just allow that it is addictive, you can always claim that you are not an addict
[16:10] <reticuli> THE REASON IS THAT WHEN SOMEONE PUTS A DRUG IN THEIR BODY EVERYDAY AND THEY DONMT LIKE LIVING WITHOUT IT THEY ARE ADDICTED. PERIOD
[16:11] <djtrypt> its the same with every sensory input
[16:11] <reticuli> you can still enjoy , even if you admit you are addicted
[16:11] <djtrypt> haha the only thgink im addicted to is music
[16:11] <djtrypt> and it sux
[16:11] <djtrypt> and cigs
[16:11] <[3j]> quitting cigs is very hard
[16:11] <reticuli> that is riduculous, our senses are not drugs
[16:11] <djtrypt> hehe
[16:11] <[3j]> im about 4 months into quiting cigs and i still crave
[16:11] <reticuli> and even if they were so what
[16:11] <djtrypt> how can you become addicted to videogames then?
[16:12] <monk> I think feeling can be addictive
[16:12] <reticuli> I wasnt bornb with a joint in the womb
[16:12] <djtrypt> i know many many kidsa that have failed out of college from CS
[16:12] <djtrypt> i was ;)
[16:12] <reticuli> compulive personalities can be addicted to anything dj
[16:12] <[3j]> what is CS?
[16:12] <djtrypt> counter strike
[16:12] <djtrypt> video game
[16:12] <[3j]> lol
[16:12] <[3j]> your kidding
[16:13] <djtrypt> nope
[16:13] <djtrypt> i got to RPI
[16:13] <monk> I think the zetas talk about addiction
[16:13] <[3j]> you must of had college paid for you
[16:13] <djtrypt> nope
[16:13] <MaxDevlin> yep zeta
[16:13] <monk> I used to be addictive to a role playing game called "Asherons Call"
[16:13] <djtrypt> actually i got no finicial AID, and i diddn't have money to pay for it
[16:13] <djtrypt> so i had to get local scholoar ships and loans
[16:13] <MaxDevlin> yep addicted to Cattle rectums in the Tao's NM...lol
[16:14] <djtrypt> HAHAHAHAHAHHA
[16:14] <[3j]> monk i was into UO
[16:14] <djtrypt> ROFL
[16:14] <djtrypt> oh yeah
[16:14] <monk> i was addicted to uo to
[16:14] <[3j]> i spent a few grands into that game
[16:14] <djtrypt> im addictedt o sex  to
[16:14] <[3j]> i had bought a castle on buccaneers den
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[16:14] <monk> I wanna play uo on a t-1 line
[16:15] <[3j]> hehe
[16:15] <djtrypt> i dunno to me pot is a way of life, thats what i grew up with, and around, all of my friends smoke pot, and its something we do for recreation
[16:15] <[3j]> its not much different than dsl/cable
[16:15] <djtrypt> eventually i wont have time to smoke if i start getting more and more gigs
[16:15] <djtrypt> yeah its no diff then cable
[16:15] <djtrypt> its about the ping not bandwidth
[16:16] <monk> I remember Napa Valley server laged so bad i couldn't even play for weeks
[16:16] <[3j]> well dsl/cable/t1 all relativly the same speed dj
[16:16] <djtrypt> yuck
[16:16] <djtrypt> yeah
[16:16] <djtrypt> T! is a lil faster
[16:16] <djtrypt> plus is static
[16:16] <[3j]> t1 is 1.5 ... cable can be that and more, and is also static
[16:16] <[3j]> dsl i think can reach that too, and also can be static
[16:16] <djtrypt> nope
[16:16] <[3j]> yes
[16:16] <djtrypt> you get a dedicate line
[16:17] <djtrypt> to the phone company with t1
[16:17] <djtrypt> you dont share it
[16:17] <reticuli> im on a t1 here
[16:17] <djtrypt> yeah
[16:17] <[3j]> if its point to point you dont share the t1
[16:17] <djtrypt> on a t1 its usually limited by the other users on the network
[16:17] <djtrypt> yeah
[16:17] <[3j]> i used to have one coming right into my house
[16:17] <djtrypt> you gotta go through other ppl's gateways and what not
[16:17] <djtrypt> oh yea
[16:17] <djtrypt> you had a t1
[16:17] <[3j]> and my dsl today is about the samething
[16:17] <djtrypt> in your house
[16:18] <[3j]> thats right
[16:18] <djtrypt> how much you pay for that a month
[16:18] <djtrypt> ?
[16:18] <[3j]> a little under a grand
[16:18] <djtrypt> damn
[16:18] <djtrypt> thats crazy
[16:18] <[3j]> thats not the crazy part
[16:18] <djtrypt> its alil more expensive here in NY
[16:18] <[3j]> my isp was excite@home -> they went bankrupt
[16:18] <monk> 3j how u get your money
[16:18] <djtrypt> it costs like 3g+ a month
[16:19] <[3j]> i had t1 free for about 6 months, plus now I still own the cisco 2600 router
[16:19] <[3j]> thats the crazy part ;)
[16:19] <djtrypt> you can get up to, 2 meg sec transfer
[16:19] <djtrypt> wow
[16:19] <[3j]> with a t1?
[16:19] <djtrypt> yes
[16:19] <djtrypt> RPI
[16:19] <djtrypt> had a dual t3 oc6
[16:19] <djtrypt> fukkin crazy
[16:19] <djtrypt> at like 4am
[16:19] <djtrypt> you could get like 4+meg a sec
[16:19] <[3j]> no.. peek bandwidth from a t1 is 200kb/s - 210
[16:20] <djtrypt> i dunno about that
[16:20] <djtrypt> thats not what my network classes have taught me
[16:20] <[3j]> you must be thinking bits not bytes
[16:20] <djtrypt> and i trust what rpi has to say
[16:20] <monk> I got 500k a sec from ym dsl before
[16:20] <[3j]> and a t1 in bits is 1.5 megabits
[16:20] <[3j]> 1.45 megabits is more close to it
[16:21] <djtrypt> our dsl sux here
[16:21] <djtrypt> verizon can suck my balls
[16:21] <djtrypt> so can time warner
[16:21] <monk> verizon was my dsl service it was fast
[16:21] <[3j]> i wouldnt mind if those companies sucked my balls
[16:21] <djtrypt> time warner in our region had 11, 100mb/s routers
[16:21] <monk> paid 89.99 for it better be good
[16:21] <djtrypt> then they bought anothero ne
[16:21] <djtrypt> cheaper not cisco brand
[16:21] <djtrypt> and it was a 10mb/s
[16:22] <djtrypt> sometimes ppl would randomly connect to the cheaper slower router capping off there upload and dl
[16:22] <djtrypt> ppl started to complain, so time warner is like fukk you then
[16:22] <djtrypt> we are capping em all at 10mb/s
[16:22] <djtrypt> fukker
[16:22] <djtrypt> s
[16:23] <djtrypt> found that out from my boy subz who worked for them
[16:23] <reticuli> you aqll better hope that px is not true
[16:23] <[3j]> dj tell the rpi thats hes very wrong about the t1s, and you can get t1s now for like 800/m
[16:23] <[3j]> im going to bbiab
[16:24] <djtrypt> haha you tell an RPI professor that, hes the one that gets paid 250K a year
[16:24] <djtrypt> not you or i
[16:25] <djtrypt> blaaarrhh
[16:25] <sapphire> friend of mine owns a hosting company.  He ran a T1 from his company to his house.  The company pays roughly 400 dollars a month for it
[16:25] <monk> I never believed my teachers at school
[16:25] <djtrypt> hehe i ususally dont
[16:25] <reticuli> never?
[16:25] <djtrypt> but telecommunicatiuons is mad expensive out here
[16:25] <monk> Most of the time
[16:25] <reticuli> hmmm
[16:25] <djtrypt> i read the books
[16:26] <reticuli> you should never believe
[16:26] <reticuli> unless it is in yourself
[16:26] <monk> I dont even believe in the books anymore
[16:26] <djtrypt> then how do you learn?
[16:26] <reticuli> hehe
[16:26] <reticuli> i think thats obvious, you dont
[16:27] <monk> I was reading my history book and it started telling stories that they made up
[16:27] <sapphire> stories?
[16:27] <monk> yea like hilter and some other guy was in a room and they started talking
[16:27] <djtrypt> haha
[16:27] <djtrypt> ive had that happen b4
[16:28] <monk> they just made what they said up
[16:28] <djtrypt> you notice how they never talk abotu the korean conflict?
[16:29] <monk> I never noticed that
[16:29] <monk> probaly why i got straight f's in school
[16:29] <djtrypt> hehe
[16:30] <monk> n ow look at me
[16:30] <monk> im jobless
[16:30] <djtrypt> i always doo bad in school when im not challanged
[16:30] <djtrypt> haha me too
[16:30] <djtrypt> the economy sux right now
[16:30] <monk> sitting at the computer talking about conspiracy
[16:30] <djtrypt> hehehe
[16:31] <monk> but im pretty smart
[16:31] <reticuli> allright pleibians, im off work
[16:31] <reticuli> so I'll see you later
[16:31] <monk> later
[16:31] <djtrypt> lata
[16:31] <reticuli> ciao
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[16:32] * djtrypt tokes bowl
[16:32] <monk> I dont plan on getting a job
[16:32] <monk> I think our economy is gonna crash
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[16:32] * Looking up monk user info...
[16:32] * djtrypt dj passes the bowl
[16:32] <monk> I might get a part time job to stockpile more food
[16:32] * the_two gratiously accepts
[16:32] <the_two> mmm
[16:33] <sapphire> monk, where are you located?
[16:33] <monk> in california USA
[16:33] <djtrypt> you suck ;)
[16:34] <djtrypt> jk
[16:34] <sapphire> monk: i don't think economy is going to "crash", just deflate a bit
[16:34] <djtrypt> haha mexi weed, the only time i somke that is when my friends from texas go home for the summer and come back with quaps of it
[16:34] <djtrypt> yeah its not gonna crash it cant
[16:35] <djtrypt> ever since black tuesday, they shut down the market if it drops too much
[16:35] <monk> its gonna crash after planet x comes and fucks us uo
[16:35] <sapphire> people still demand/need more goods and services than at any time in history...business still goes on
[16:35] <monk> up
[16:35] <djtrypt> and have a bunch of other mechanisms that stop tha tfdrom happening
[16:35] <the_two> i have a fish in my pocket.. and his name is antonio.
[16:35] * djtrypt shakes antonio's hand
[16:36] * djtrypt wonders where the bowl went
[16:36] <the_two> oops
[16:36] * the_two passes the bowl
[16:36] <monk> SKIP
[16:37] <sapphire> before USA economy crashed, dollar would be yanked from world markets, preserving internal business
[16:37] <sapphire> even if this leads to war
[16:37] <sapphire> but no crash :)
[16:37] * djtrypt tokes the bowl
[16:37] <monk> you believe in planet x ?
[16:37] <monk> what do u think that will do to the economy
[16:37] <djtrypt> saph why didn't you parttake in that last convo about the economy
[16:38] <sapphire> i was distracted at the time, trying to assemble a DivX movie
[16:38] <djtrypt> you sound like you know what your talking about
[16:38] <djtrypt> unlike some other ppl
[16:38] <the_two> :)
[16:38] <monk> yea sapphire
[16:39] <djtrypt> it crazy to see how this convo evolved from conspiracy to marijuanas
[16:39] <monk> I talk through my ass your well based
[16:39] <djtrypt> hahhahaha
[16:39] <sapphire> well, you know that USA leaders will put their worth over ALL else, even ZT agrees
[16:39] <djtrypt> yeah thats the american way
[16:39] <djtrypt> :(
[16:39] <monk> I think its beyond money now
[16:39] <sapphire> "fortress america" can be made if that's what it took
[16:39] <monk> its about power
[16:39] <djtrypt> i hate being an american sometimes
[16:40] <djtrypt> ppl find such happiness is such material objects
[16:40] <djtrypt> same goes for sex aswell
[16:40] <monk> i find happineSs in god
[16:40] <djtrypt> soo many ppl but there pleasure in material
[16:40] <djtrypt> me too
[16:40] <the_two> i find happiness in people
[16:40] <djtrypt> i also find happiness though the love of others
[16:40] <the_two> not in things
[16:40] <djtrypt> my god
[16:40] <monk> same here
[16:40] <djtrypt> is people
[16:40] <the_two> yup
[16:41] <djtrypt> with out people there wouldn't be a need for god
[16:41] <djtrypt> and without god there wouldn't be a need for people
[16:41] <the_two> hehe
[16:41] <djtrypt> two must exist together in harmony
[16:41] <djtrypt> or we expereince entropy
[16:41] <djtrypt> therefore would god be people and poeple are god
[16:42] <monk> thats what i believe
[16:42] <monk> were all god
[16:42] <djtrypt> one is the same in itself, and had been intrepet wrong by soo many ppl through history
[16:42] <monk> we have the power of god also
[16:42] <djtrypt> yes
[16:42] <the_two> god is the personification of the faith of humanity in the unknown
[16:42] <djtrypt> ppl in most prganized religon
[16:42] <djtrypt> picture god as an individual becuase themsleve picture only the individual
[16:42] <the_two> right
[16:42] <djtrypt> yes
[16:43] <the_two> in the physical form i am an individual
[16:43] <djtrypt> i picture god represents our collective consciennous on whole
[16:43] <djtrypt> yes and that whyt you are a transcendant like me
[16:43] <djtrypt> :)
[16:43] <the_two> heh
[16:43] <monk> I picture god as everything and nothing
[16:44] <djtrypt> yep
[16:44] <the_two> :)
[16:44] <djtrypt> god is the void
[16:44] <the_two> not some guy sitting on a cloud
[16:44] <monk> :)
[16:44] <the_two> creating planets and races of intelligent beings for fun
[16:44] <djtrypt> that fills all of our empty thought patterns that could not be created
[16:44] <the_two> god is a system
[16:44] <the_two> which we exist inside
[16:44] <djtrypt> yep
[16:44] <djtrypt> whats that system
[16:44] <djtrypt> i believe its mathematics
[16:44] <the_two> yup
[16:44] <djtrypt> that my personal beliefes
[16:44] <monk> hes perfect
[16:45] <djtrypt> uh huh
[16:45] <djtrypt> math is the only thing that can be perfect
[16:45] <djtrypt> and thats what the jews knew
[16:45] <djtrypt> and get crufide for
[16:45] <monk> ever hear of the bible code?
[16:45] <djtrypt> yep
[16:45] <djtrypt> i got all the software
[16:45] <djtrypt> im coding shyt like that now
[16:45] <monk> perfect
[16:45] <djtrypt> its about finding patterns in
[16:46] <djtrypt> the story of life
[16:46] <djtrypt> the bible
[16:46] <djtrypt> jus tteh same as finding patterns in our brains to create AI
[16:46] <djtrypt> and you know what
[16:46] <djtrypt> the game GO conatins all of the secrets
[16:46] <djtrypt> and im gonna discover it
[16:46] <djtrypt> :)
[16:46] <monk> right on
[16:46] <the_two> :)
[16:46] <djtrypt> tthe two i didn't telkl you i figured it out last night
[16:46] <the_two> ?
[16:47] <the_two> what'd u figure out?
[16:47] <djtrypt> how to create the system of virus to crawl the neural net
[16:47] <the_two> please elaborate?
[16:47] <djtrypt> i figured out to compute the total conscienopus to play go
[16:47] <monk> yes please
[16:47] <djtrypt> well think of it this way
[16:47] <djtrypt> it interesting
[16:47] <djtrypt> math is included in thie explaination as weel
[16:47] <djtrypt> can one ant build an ant hill?
[16:48] <djtrypt> no
[16:48] <the_two> can one brain cell have a thought?
[16:48] <the_two> hehe
[16:48] <djtrypt> no
[16:48] <djtrypt> :)
[16:48] <[3j]> its illegal
[16:48] <djtrypt> it takes many ants to work together to build
[16:48] <djtrypt> a colony
[16:48] <the_two> right
[16:48] <[3j]> fbi will find you and take your PC away if you plan on sending out some virus
[16:48] <djtrypt> didn't i explain this to you lats night 3j
[16:49] <the_two> ur thinking stereotypical virus
[16:49] <djtrypt> you runining it i just might have to take this convo to AIM
[16:49] <[3j]> and thats exactly what your thing is, just like the "magic lantern" thing fbi program
[16:49] <the_two> he doesn't mean a virus that will damage a computer
[16:49] <[3j]> it doesnt matter, if it damages or exploits the resources
[16:49] <sapphire> dj: you should first test this idea on your own private network before attempting internet use
[16:49] <djtrypt> 3j did i explain this too you last night i forgot
[16:49] <djtrypt> haha
[16:49] <djtrypt> in the process of doing
[16:49] <djtrypt> :)
[16:50] <the_two> he's talking about a process that would be run inside an independent network
[16:50] <the_two> not on the internet
[16:50] <sapphire> lastnight he was talking internet
[16:50] <monk> please explain more
[16:50] <[3j]> yes he was
[16:50] <sapphire> roving server cluster
[16:50] <djtrypt> yeah but you dont start it on a internet
[16:50] <the_two> he refers to it as a virus because it's self-replicating
[16:50] <the_two> yea
[16:50] <the_two> we
[16:50] <the_two> well
[16:50] <the_two> the internet is a good example to use
[16:50] <djtrypt> once you get it it runnnig
[16:50] <the_two> but it doesn't have to be done on the public internet :)
[16:50] <djtrypt> you cant stop it
[16:51] <djtrypt> i can do it on a private network, and i dont know what i will find
[16:51] <sapphire> dj: how many computers do you need, theoretically?
[16:51] <djtrypt> humm im figuring that out right now
[16:51] <djtrypt> i gotta do some statics
[16:51] <djtrypt> well first
[16:51] <sapphire> you have to assume a certain type processor
[16:51] <djtrypt> you need to know to total possiblitis in the game go
[16:52] <djtrypt> no you do
[16:52] <djtrypt> you run it in middle ware
[16:52] <the_two> on a standard board? or an infinite board?
[16:52] <djtrypt> standard to start
[16:52] <the_two> k
[16:52] <djtrypt> to discover the patterns
[16:52] <djtrypt> the first round you have
[16:52] <djtrypt> 19*19 combos
[16:52] <djtrypt> second generation you have
[16:53] <djtrypt> (19*19)-1
[16:53] <djtrypt> hummm one sec let me grab some paper
[16:53] <the_two> :)
[16:53] <the_two> go is a fantastic system
[16:54] <sapphire> you may need to assemble private networks of computers in varying locations and then use the internet to tie them together
[16:54] <[3j]> ((19*19)-1)**19 ?
[16:54] <monk> This d00d is going into some intresting stuff
[16:54] <djtrypt> yeah
[16:54] <the_two> hehe
[16:54] <djtrypt> well
[16:54] <djtrypt> you have to picture it as a matirx not as a game
[16:54] <djtrypt> there are 361 nodes
[16:54] <the_two> right
[16:55] <the_two> and a trinary system.  0, 1, and null are the potential values for any given node
[16:55] <[3j]> ((19*19)-1)**19 -> 3.71319292745659e+48
[16:55] <djtrypt> would that be
[16:56] <djtrypt> generations = total possiblities that round
[16:56] <djtrypt> 361*
[16:56] <djtrypt> 360*
[16:56] <djtrypt> 359*
[16:56] <djtrypt> and so far
[16:56] <djtrypt> we are searching
[16:56] <djtrypt> for a perfectgame that expends all of the possibilities
[16:56] <djtrypt> and you know what taht game looks like
[16:57] <djtrypt> the golden ration
[16:57] <djtrypt> ratio*
[16:57] <djtrypt> you find order in chaos and hence you find the patten
[16:57] <the_two> right
[16:57] <monk> yes
[16:57] <djtrypt> neways whats the formula
[16:57] <djtrypt> for this pattern
[16:58] <djtrypt> 361*360*359*558...
[16:58] <sapphire> so, idea of number or certain processors required?
[16:58] <djtrypt> nope
[16:58] <the_two> but to arrive at that, the system would have to be able to consider every possible move, and every possible counter-move, etc until the end of the game for an endless number of combinations
[16:58] <djtrypt> it about the size of the network
[16:58] <the_two> that would require a seriously powerful cluster
[16:58] <djtrypt> nope
[16:58] <the_two> no?
[16:58] <djtrypt> you consider every possible move at the same time
[16:58] <the_two> but is this system going to have foresight?
[16:58] <djtrypt> there forever every possible game is being played at every instance in time
[16:58] <djtrypt> yes
[16:59] <the_two> is it planning its moves based on what it thinks the opponent's next move will be?
[16:59] <djtrypt> you have to design viruses with this game to carwl around
[16:59] <djtrypt> becus
[16:59] <djtrypt> depending on wherey ou play the first two pieces dictates the rest of the pattern
[16:59] <djtrypt> from that you can derive a formula to compute it anytime
[16:59] <djtrypt> if you figure out how all possible unique fractals are outputted
[17:00] <djtrypt> newyas what the series formula
[17:00] <the_two> is the system playing against itself?
[17:00] <the_two> does white know what black's next move will be?
[17:00] <djtrypt> for 361*360*359*358*357...
[17:00] <the_two> or is it two systems who don't talk to eachother accept thru the game?
[17:00] <djtrypt> cuz its already made the last move
[17:00] <[3j]> heh
[17:00] <djtrypt> its not about the game
[17:01] <djtrypt> its about distributing the information within an intelligent network
[17:01] <the_two> right
[17:01] <djtrypt> how many ppl do you think an average person knows
[17:01] <djtrypt> ?
[17:01] <the_two> 100?
[17:01] <djtrypt> okay
[17:01] <djtrypt> then you take the total worlds population on instant messgaer
[17:01] <djtrypt> say
[17:01] <djtrypt> 2 mil
[17:02] <djtrypt> assuming that everyone is allowed only to repeat one sentence
[17:02] <djtrypt> or string of data
[17:02] <djtrypt> they can tell everyone in there cricle once
[17:02] <djtrypt> so the total bandwidth of this network of ppl
[17:02] <djtrypt> is
[17:02] <djtrypt> y=total ppl on AIM
[17:03] <djtrypt> x =
[17:03] <djtrypt> average ppl one person is in contact with
[17:03] <djtrypt> and z = the size of the sentence in bytes of data
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[17:04] <djtrypt> humm
[17:05] <djtrypt> i forget this part i keep learning more about it eveytime i explain it
[17:05] <djtrypt> lil help
[17:05] <djtrypt> :)
[17:06] <the_two> assuming that all circles overlap at some point
[17:06] <djtrypt> yeah
[17:06] <monk> what if you were in 2 places at once and both of u came together and started to communicate
[17:06] <djtrypt> thats what im thinkin about
[17:06] <the_two> entropy would occur
[17:06] <djtrypt> yep
[17:06] <djtrypt> trhats what happens when a virus meets an antibody
[17:06] <the_two> and everyone would share the same knowledge
[17:06] <djtrypt> the data is negatiated
[17:06] <djtrypt> yep
[17:06] <monk> infinte
[17:07] <djtrypt> but the bandwidth grow expontentially dependend on the toatal size
[17:07] <djtrypt> that is why our brains
[17:07] <djtrypt> can remember stories
[17:07] <the_two> right
[17:07] <the_two> that's why ai doesn't work
[17:07] <djtrypt> or experiences, but can compute 26733*26726/298
[17:07] <the_two> the system isn't diverse enough
[17:07] <djtrypt> same goes for computers and internet
[17:07] <the_two> we can program instinct
[17:07] <the_two> but we can't program consciousness
[17:08] <djtrypt> nope
[17:08] <the_two> cause consciousness is an evolution of refined instinct
[17:08] <djtrypt> you can only start a system that grow
[17:08] <the_two> right
[17:08] <the_two> we need a system that can evolve
[17:08] <djtrypt> conscienous inside of it
[17:08] <djtrypt> yes and that why we dont have to release a virus on the internet
[17:08] <the_two> the problem with a virus tho
[17:08] <the_two> is that each node would be identical
[17:08] <djtrypt> someday you will get a random IM from a webbot created by our system
[17:08] <the_two> evolution is a result of survival of the fittest
[17:09] <djtrypt> no not everynodes are identical
[17:09] <the_two> and mutation
[17:09] <djtrypt> viruses evolve
[17:09] <the_two> the nodes would have to be diverse
[17:09] <the_two> and able to change
[17:09] <djtrypt> viruses within the system must be able to evolve
[17:09] <the_two> right
[17:09] <the_two> but
[17:09] <djtrypt> and contain memory form there pasts parent viruses
[17:10] <djtrypt> back to the game go
[17:10] <the_two> infectious viruses
[17:10] <the_two> that make people sick
[17:10] <djtrypt> i need to know what that formula is
[17:10] <the_two> can evolve
[17:10] <the_two> but they don't share knowledge
[17:10] <the_two> there is no communication
[17:10] <djtrypt> nope but tehre are good viruses
[17:10] <the_two> right
[17:10] <the_two> question tho
[17:10] <djtrypt> thats give up immuniation ot certain other viruses
[17:10] <the_two> does a population of a physical virus posess intelligence?
[17:11] <djtrypt> humm
[17:11] <the_two> what if it does, and we just can't percieve it?
[17:11] <djtrypt> does a colony of ants have a collective conscience
[17:11] <the_two> :)
[17:11] <djtrypt> a single ant
[17:11] <the_two> a rudimentary consciousness
[17:11] <djtrypt> is the dumbest animal
[17:11] <djtrypt> but a colony of ants
[17:11] <djtrypt> can evolve
[17:11] <djtrypt> and expand their territory
[17:11] <the_two> yup
[17:12] <the_two> but does it know that it's a colony of ants?
[17:12] <djtrypt> and make even humans move away from them
[17:12] <djtrypt> nope
[17:12] <the_two> that's the problem
[17:12] <djtrypt> just like
[17:12] <djtrypt> most ppl in our world do not realize that
[17:12] <djtrypt> they are part of a great cause
[17:12] <the_two> people are so hung up on their individuality
[17:12] <monk> lucky i relize this
[17:12] <djtrypt> haha
[17:12] <the_two> that they sell themselves short
[17:12] <djtrypt> yes
[17:13] <djtrypt> and thats what the density shift is about
[17:13] <the_two> few realize even a fraction of their potential
[17:13] <the_two> yup
[17:13] <djtrypt> its not aliens coming to take us away
[17:13] <the_two> we can program a "second density" being
[17:13] <the_two> we can program instint
[17:13] <djtrypt> yeah
[17:13] <the_two> and stimulus response
[17:13] <djtrypt> we are trying to program a 3rd denstiy being
[17:13] <djtrypt> becuz we are 4th density beings
[17:13] <the_two> it can't be done
[17:13] <djtrypt> :)
[17:13] <the_two> the shift from 2nd to third has to come from the being itself
[17:14] <the_two> or the program in this case
[17:14] <djtrypt> humm i think you can program a colony of ant insects if
[17:14] <djtrypt> yes
[17:14] <djtrypt> we are
[17:14] <djtrypt> in the 1st density
[17:14] <djtrypt> the ideas and energy are forming
[17:14] <the_two> right.. and in the second, instinctual behavior sets in
[17:14] <the_two> allowing for complex social networks
[17:15] <djtrypt> uhhuh
[17:15] <djtrypt> you know i thnk we were
[17:15] <the_two> nameservers on the internet
[17:15] <djtrypt> lookin at this from the wrong angle
[17:15] <the_two> behave much like a pack of dogs
[17:15] <the_two> :)
[17:15] <djtrypt> we need to density shift
[17:15] <djtrypt> the project instead of evolve it you know?
[17:15] <the_two> well
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[17:16] <the_two> the shift from 2nd to 3rd is a product of evolution
[17:16] <djtrypt> humm no its internal
[17:16] <the_two> 2nd density isn't any different from 3rd physically
[17:16] <djtrypt> no external you are still thinkin of the material plane
[17:16] <djtrypt> no
[17:16] <the_two> right
[17:16] <djtrypt> is the self awareness of spirit
[17:16] <the_two> but internally
[17:16] <the_two> yea
[17:16] <djtrypt> that makes us 3rd
[17:16] <djtrypt> and not just monkeys
[17:17] <the_two> but at which point in evolution did we make that shift?
[17:17] <djtrypt> but in the 4th its phsyically diff?
[17:17] <the_two> there are self-aware apes
[17:17] <djtrypt> not spiritual
[17:17] <djtrypt> though
[17:17] <the_two> right
[17:17] <djtrypt> they did not recognize life after death or incarnation
[17:17] <djtrypt> thats what makes up 3rd
[17:17] <the_two> but we came from them.
[17:18] <the_two> in programming terms
[17:18] <djtrypt> is that we see a spirit but dont live or nuture the spirit
[17:18] <the_two> we can program a dog
[17:18] <djtrypt> yes
[17:18] <djtrypt> yes
[17:18] <the_two> but we can't program a gorilla
[17:18] <djtrypt> nope
[17:18] <djtrypt> you have to add specific input
[17:18] <djtrypt> to evolve the dog to an ape parsay
[17:18] <the_two> although
[17:18] <the_two> even though a gorilla can see its reflection
[17:18] <the_two> and knows it's seeing itself
[17:18] <djtrypt> cuz evolution only exists in a dynamic
[17:18] <djtrypt> world
[17:18] <the_two> i'm not sure if it knows it's an individual
[17:18] <djtrypt> humm
[17:19] <djtrypt> what about alpha males
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[18:50] <sapphire> this channel died?
[18:50] * Looking up [3j] user info...
[18:51] <sapphire> i heard art bell show tonight is going to be about Planet X, Hazlewood and Lieder
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[18:53] <sapphire> http://www.badastronomy.com/
[18:54] <sapphire> the "Bad Astronomer" will speak on these topics
[18:55] <monk> coo
[18:56] <sapphire> i'll be recording the show and probably make available online
[18:56] <monk> How nice
[18:56] <monk> I used to have a subscirbtion to artbell
[18:58] <monk> I think the guy on tonight is full of bull
[19:02] <sapphire> i haven't heard him before, but i'm looking over his website right now
[19:44] <SnookPoon> msg/funbot help
[19:48] <monk> funbot is broken
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[19:56] <SnookPoon> is it?
[19:57] <SnookPoon> I was just investigating it and asking questions about it over in #help
[19:57] <SnookPoon> It's there as well...Do you know a lot about it?
[19:59] <monk> no
[19:59] <monk> this one doesn't respond to me when i say hello
[20:02] <SnookPoon> Me either
[20:02] <SnookPoon> I can't figure out what it's there for
[20:02] <monk> the scirpt probaly not right
[20:03] <monk> msg funbot hi]
[20:08] <SnookPoon> !huggle
[20:08] <monk> !hello
[20:08] <monk> hehe
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[20:21] <SnookPoon> !hello
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[20:29] <Cruithne> i was on radio today in nyc & spoke to an audience of 100k or more of Px
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[20:32] <SnookPoon> cool
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[21:13] <Westbrook> hi :)
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[21:39] <neokrow> hello?
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[21:44] <monk> hi
[21:45] <antoni0> hi
[21:46] <cmelaway> hej
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[21:57] <SnookPoon> Oh boy, girl, zeata, or whatever!
[21:58] <cmelnotsomuchaway> I opt for whatever .... hehe
[21:58] <SnookPoon> This guy on Art Bell is going to rip Nancy a new one tonight
[21:58] <cmelnotsomuchaway> when is that show
[21:58] <cmelnotsomuchaway> ?
[21:58] <SnookPoon> right now
[21:58] <cmelnotsomuchaway> k snook
[21:59] <antoni0> rip what
[21:59] <cmelnotsomuchaway> brb
[21:59] <SnookPoon> it's just getting ready to start
[21:59] <antoni0> rip a new what yo
[21:59] <monk> yea hes full of bullshit to
[21:59] <monk> if he says nancy is a fake
[21:59] <antoni0> the suns going crazy
[21:59] <SnookPoon> a new lower oracle
[21:59] <antoni0> the 11yr cycle should have ended 2k
[22:00] <SnookPoon> orafice
[22:00] <antoni0> yet its way too pissed off
[22:01] <cmelnotsomuchaway> dammit I'm not a subscriber, and I'm not going to be for just one show :(
[22:01] <SnookPoon> Don't subscribe
[22:02] <cmelnotsomuchaway> why
[22:02] <SnookPoon> Where do you live
[22:02] <monk> you know what u do
[22:02] <cmelnotsomuchaway> denmark
[22:02] <monk> u subscribe once
[22:02] <monk> get it in your cookies
[22:02] <SnookPoon> Oh
[22:02] <monk> then u unsubscribe and u can listen to it for months
[22:02] <monk> :)
[22:02] <SnookPoon> anyone have a cookie to share
[22:02] <monk> hehe
[22:03] <cmelnotsomuchaway> maybe you can record it for me hehe
[22:03] <SnookPoon> They don't charge for realtime streaming on alive show do they?
[22:03] <cmelnotsomuchaway> seem they do now
[22:03] <SnookPoon> I'm recording it
[22:03] <monk> I listened to it like 3 months after my subscribtion went off but im not on the same computer anymore
[22:03] <cmelnotsomuchaway> seems
[22:04] <monk> they do charge for realtime
[22:04] <SnookPoon> That's CR*P!
[22:04] <cmelnotsomuchaway> yep
[22:04] <SnookPoon> They make tones of money on ads
[22:05] <monk> they making probaly close to a million on just the subscrition i believe
[22:05] <SnookPoon> I don't know of anyone out there that even charges for archives
[22:05] <cmelnotsomuchaway> well artbell does :)
[22:05] <monk> they said it cost to much money to stream the archives out
[22:06] <SnookPoon> Hey I know, just stream off a radio station here in the states that braodcast it
[22:06] <monk> at least they took the  commerials out of the archives
[22:06] <cmelnotsomuchaway> then why are the other players, not doing that (charging for archives) ?
[22:06] <[3j]> hmm
[22:06] <cmelnotsomuchaway> yeah hhhmm
[22:06] <SnookPoon> They make mony on the ads
[22:06] <SnookPoon> money
[22:06] * cmelnotsomuchaway is now known as cmel
[22:06] <monk> because artbell is popular and greedy
[22:06] <[3j]> someonetoday said some more stuff was going to happen about the economy
[22:06] <SnookPoon> greeeedy
[22:07] <[3j]> it appears as if citigroup is heavily involved with enron scandal ??
[22:07] <cmel> :)
[22:07] <monk> well the people who are in charge of the bandwidth are
[22:07] <SnookPoon> Who has a big AM station in the US that has realtime streaming
[22:08] <SnookPoon> Quick for the overseas people
[22:08] <cmel> yes when they found out about a new market, the INTERNET they just came swimming in like sharks to grap territory
[22:08] <monk> ummm ill go look hes on over 500 stations her ein the us
[22:08] <cmel> k monk
[22:08] <[3j]> lots of stations
[22:09] <SnookPoon> Does the art bell site show an affiliates list of stations
[22:09] <monk> i think
[22:09] <SnookPoon> Yeah there are many
[22:09] <[3j]> http://www.artbell.com/stations.html
[22:09] <SnookPoon> cool
[22:09] <cmel> that would be good if on could hear for free there :)
[22:09] <monk> and links to webpages also
[22:10] <cmel> somewhere that is
[22:10] <monk> http://www.kfi640.com/main.html
[22:10] <monk> click on listen live
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[22:11] <SnookPoon> Thanks Monk
[22:11] <[3j]> what do you use to listen, realplayer?
[22:11] <monk> jeff norays on now
[22:11] <SnookPoon> http://www.wgst.com/main.html
[22:11] <[3j]> realplayer <- i hate that crap
[22:11] <SnookPoon> try Atalnta too
[22:12] <SnookPoon> Atlanta
[22:12] <monk> actually it installed its on player
[22:12] <monk> web based media player
[22:12] <monk> own player
[22:12] <[3j]> oh yeah the kfi one has that java one
[22:12] <[3j]> er javaradio
[22:13] <[3j]> i still dont like realplayer
[22:13] <SnookPoon> Atlanta has winamp mp3 stream http://www.wgst.com/main.html
[22:13] <monk> real one is a decent player
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[22:14] <[3j]> mp3 streams, thats cool
[22:15] <monk> I found out what orbs are that i see
[22:15] <cmel> why is there no sound on wgst ?
[22:15] <monk> They are angels
[22:15] <[3j]> you see angels?
[22:15] <monk> yes
[22:15] <SnookPoon> I don't know? I haven't tried it...I have my radio on
[22:16] <[3j]> can you take pictures monk
[22:16] <cmel> but they apear in the form of orbs .... glowing ???
[22:16] <SnookPoon> Let me find another one for you
[22:16] <cmel> appear
[22:16] <cmel> k snook
[22:16] <monk> yes
[22:16] <monk> I see shadow people all the time to
[22:17] <monk> and plasma balls
[22:17] <cmel> are you frightened when that happens ?
[22:17] <[3j]> hehe
[22:17] <cmel> :)
[22:17] <monk> no
[22:17] <monk> I would think there are trillions of orbs all around
[22:17] <monk> the world
[22:18] <[3j]> i wonder what they think when they observe people having sex
[22:18] <cmel> ok, but little me have never seen, at least not to my recollection
[22:18] <monk> I controll them also
[22:19] <monk> its kinda fun
[22:19] <cmel> dont be offended by my sceptizism :)
[22:19] <[3j]> yeah seeing them is one thing, controlling ?
[22:19] <monk> well its where i look
[22:19] <cmel> where is that ?
[22:19] <SnookPoon> Here is a Tampa Florida station http://www.970wfla.com/main101.html
[22:20] <monk> like if i focus on one
[22:20] <[3j]> maybe you mean asking them to do something and they do it /
[22:20] <cmel> thx snook ... brb
[22:20] <SnookPoon> Look under INTERACTIVE
[22:20] <monk> then look towards the right it will goto the right
[22:20] <monk> then it might take off as far right
[22:20] <monk> unless i look left and it will go left something like that
[22:20] <SnookPoon> That one won't load the page for me
[22:20] <SnookPoon> Hold on
[22:21] <cmel> yep found it
[22:21] <cmel> :) nice
[22:21] <cmel> thx snook
[22:22] <SnookPoon> Ok Here we go...Here is a Jacksonville Florida station http://wokv.com/
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[22:22] <cmel> well snook It works for me :)
[22:23] <SnookPoon> good
[22:23] <monk> You might not believe me that i see angels but i do
[22:23] <monk> I dont know if im at a higher freq. that i am closer to their level or i just pay attention to them
[22:23] <cmel> 20mill hmm
[22:24] <cmel> snook what word do you hear know
[22:24] <monk> You ever listen to artbell before?
[22:24] <cmel> me anthrax
[22:24] <monk> cost about 20 million dollars
[22:24] <cmel> yep but offline = recordings
[22:25] <monk> I listened to nancy's interview with artbell live
[22:25] <cmel> I have the most recent one on file
[22:25] <SnookPoon> I have to move over to winexplorer to make it work
[22:27] <cmel> not good about the mili
[22:28] <SnookPoon> Are you getting it now cmel?
[22:28] <cmel> yep
[22:28] <SnookPoon> cool
[22:28] <cmel> first night caller now
[22:28] <cmel> is that right
[22:29] <cmel> ?
[22:29] <SnookPoon> yeah
[22:29] <cmel> eooohooo
[22:29] <SnookPoon> now it commercial
[22:29] <SnookPoon> you proabably have a delay
[22:29] <cmel> yep
[22:29] <monk> big delay
[22:29] <cmel> but I can hear it thogh
[22:29] <cmel> :)
[22:30] <monk> you should listen to kfi station
[22:30] <SnookPoon> FOR FREEEEEE
[22:30] <monk> some stations dont broadcast the first hour
[22:30] <cmel> yyyyeeeeaaaahhhhh freee
[22:30] <cmel> ok monk
[22:30] <monk> first hour is open lines
[22:31] <SnookPoon> yep
[22:31] <cmel> commercial/music now
[22:31] <SnookPoon> and news
[22:31] <monk> same here
[22:31] <SnookPoon> eathquakes and ufo reports and crazy weather
[22:31] <cmel> news now
[22:32] <monk> i guess im listening to a delay heh
[22:32] <cmel> :)
[22:32] <SnookPoon> There was some bull on there that women remember fights 10% to 15% better than men
[22:33] <cmel> yes I heard that hehe
[22:33] <SnookPoon> That's because they gab so ****** much that no man can listen to all that garbel and remember anything they say
[22:33] <cmel> LOL
[22:33] <antoni0> females are stupid
[22:34] <antoni0> independent women:dyke::obese:fat
[22:34] <cmel> and hardly any of them know hehe
[22:34] <SnookPoon> They have that homone things going on that messes them up big time
[22:34] <SnookPoon> hormone
[22:34] <antoni0> no shit
[22:34] <cmel> yep snook
[22:34] <[3j]> i disagree
[22:35] <[3j]> the female entity is a very large requirement for a sane male to live a prosperous life
[22:35] <cmel> whe have too testosterone, makes us wanna f*ck all the time
[22:35] <monk> haha
[22:35] <antoni0> yeah
[22:35] <antoni0> you know
[22:35] <cmel>