Session Start: Tue Jul 23 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[00:39] <cmel> hi neo
[00:39] <neokrow> hey
[00:39] <neokrow> <~antonio
[00:39] <cmel> listening to artbell
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[02:07] <cmel-listening-to-artbell> so what do you people think about the George Michael video ???
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[03:54] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
[03:57] <obany> brb
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[04:23] <obany> hi and brb
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[04:25] <drfist> is any one listening to coast to coast
[04:25] <obany> no, not me .. is still going on then at this time ?
[04:26] <obany> as i am dutch, and coast to coast is not broadcasted here.. altough i could listen to it by realaudio or there are some shortwave frequencies also for what i saw
[04:27] <drfist> an academic astronmer debunking the 10 th. planet, listen on real audio from the art bell website
[04:28] <drfist> artbell.com
[04:29] <drfist> http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planets.html
[04:30] <obany> i have seen that site once i think, and i can't listen to the streaming file for what i noticed
[04:30] <obany> i am not a paying member
[04:30] <drfist> he knows nothing of Velikovsky, or stichen and sounds shaky to me in a way
[04:31] <drfist> thats right, now they charge at art's site.
[04:32] <drfist> I am in Hawaii, actually do business in Holland, my products are sold and my R&D is financed by the eu
[04:33] <obany> oooh
[04:35] <obany> what kind of products if i might ask ?
[04:36] <drfist> natural organic feed additive used in livestock feed to replace antibiotics and also products from clening up heavy metals and oil, now being used near rotterdam. My associate is in Limberg is an organic dairy farmer.
[04:37] <obany> Limburg :)
[04:37] <obany> ah
[04:37] <obany> okay brb have to eat
[04:38] <drfist> lunch time there! whats for lunch?
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[05:06] <obany> gee man
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[06:14] <Pott> gee wizz gee gully batman your batcock is pretty small.
[06:16] <obany> eheheheh pott
[06:16] <obany> funny :P
[06:18] <Pott> <Batman> I know Robin but atleast I don't have a colaca!
[06:19] <Pott> http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=cloaca&r=2
[06:19] <Pott> ^---- Will explain what that is hehe
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[06:20] <obany> i know .. pott it's what a bird has
[06:20] <Pott> hehehehe
[06:20] <Pott> Better a small cock than no cock
[06:21] <obany> ehehhehhe
[06:21] <obany> yup
[06:21] <Pott> I kinda like that one now
[06:21] <Pott> <Robin> gee wizz gee gully batman your batcock is pretty small. <Batman> I know Robin but atleast I don't have a colaca!
[06:22] <obany> cloaca :) last word is mispelled i think
[06:22] <obany> colaca
[06:23] <Pott> woops
[06:23] <Pott> <Robin> gee wizz gee gully batman your batcock is pretty small. <Batman> I know Robin but atleast I don't have a cloaca!
[06:23] <Pott> there
[06:23] <Pott> Now I can paste it to channels hehehe
[06:24] <obany> :)
[06:25] <cmel> look at this quarterpounder hehe
[06:26] <obany> yeah yeah and i wrap mine around my body ... eheheh
[06:26] <obany> come on :P
[06:26] <cmel> LOL
[06:27] <cmel> my girl said fire it baby yesterday ...
[06:29] <cmel> and I said no
[06:29] <cmel> you sucked it dry baby ...
[06:29] <cmel> hehe
[06:30] <cmel> somehow I'm reminded of antonio0
[06:31] <cmel> :)
[06:33] <cmel> speechles huh ??
[06:33] <obany> what can i say ....
[06:34] <cmel> speechless
[06:34] <obany> searching for some more info about the weather in South Africa
[06:34] <cmel> much snow last I saw
[06:35] <obany> http://www.wildweather.com/
[06:36] <cmel> brb
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[06:37] <obany> hi
[06:38] <onlainari> hi
[06:40] <cmel> hionlainari
[06:40] <obany> i just mentioned the weather in South Africa, unusual cold
[06:41] <obany> www.wildweather.com and http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,761610,00.html
[06:42] <cmel> unsual :(
[06:43] <cmel> unusual
[06:43] <Pott> I don't think unusual is the word "Periodic"
[06:43] <Pott> ;)
[06:43] <cmel> k pott hehe
[06:44] <cmel> periodic = natural fluctuation
[06:44] <cmel> ?
[06:44] <Pott> Exactly
[06:44] <obany> well the point being here that all around the globe it's bad, the weather ..
[06:44] <cmel> I hope so pott
[06:45] <onlainari> The South African weather service says the worst is not over. A new cold front is expected on Thursday.
[06:45] <onlainari> auch
[06:45] <cmel> ok onl
[06:45] <obany> the point i am trying to make is that it's going on all around the globe, the bad weather
[06:45] <Pott> All you need is temperatures below 0 to get snow.
[06:45] <obany> drought, floods, snow
[06:45] <cmel> tornados
[06:45] <obany> and i know pott that you rather discredit the whole thing
[06:46] <Pott> Perhaps in our opinion it is "bad weather"
[06:46] <cmel> one tornado has been in dk lately
[06:46] <Pott> In the natural World that is not the case.
[06:46] <onlainari> in Finland we have temperature between -30 to +30 as normal :)
[06:46] <Pott> Same here
[06:46] <cmel> and now ??
[06:47] <onlainari> at this time of year it could be 0 to 30 though
[06:47] <onlainari> it's +20
[06:47] <Pott> Well where I am it's about -30 to 40
[06:47] <obany> pott: i know that you don't buy the pole shift story and Planet X being the cause  of the weather changes
[06:47] <Pott> Depending on the time of year
[06:47] <cmel> in dk it should be in the range +5 to +30
[06:47] <cmel> in the summer
[06:47] <obany> okay brb/bbl
[06:48] <cmel> see yah
[06:48] <Pott> Did I ever explain the balance theory to you obany?
[06:48] <cmel> what is that ?
[06:48] <Pott> Well you know on a balance if one side is even off at all the balance goes completely out of whack.
[06:49] <Pott> It could very well be one small imbalance that can cause complete imbalance.
[06:49] <cmel> what u say is if all the weight is on one side, the balance is off
[06:49] <cmel> ?
[06:50] <Pott> cmel: Well say I had a kilogram on both sides and removed a single gram
[06:50] <Pott> Suddenly the balance is lost even by a 1/1000 differential.
[06:50] <cmel> yes then the heavy side would win
[06:51] <cmel> but in regard to weather ????
[06:51] <cmel> I know of caos-theory
[06:52] <Pott> Well just think if 1/1000'th is enough to cause imbalance picture that applied to nature.
[06:52] <cmel> well something would be building slowly
[06:53] <Pott> Things tend to start slowly then accelerate.
[06:53] <cmel> yes perhaps
[06:53] <cmel> I'm not a meteorologist
[06:53] <onlainari> does anyoen tell anywhere that where and how far the niburu is at the moment reaching our earth ? what is it's position
[06:53] <Pott> If you were to take a look at the atmospheric Co2 content you would see this accelerating trend.
[06:54] <cmel> ask NancyL "shes in the know" :)
[06:54] <cmel> ok pott
[06:54] <Pott> onlainari: The subject is based on speculation in the first place.
[06:54] <cmel> on the zt-site theres a link
[06:55] <onlainari> yeah,but I guess that if they have been able to study it for 7 years now why they don't yet know where it is since it's 10months to go?
[06:55] <Pott> olainari: About the only thing your going to find is speculating speculation.
[06:55] <cmel> I agree with Pott
[06:56] <Pott> I really don't think it's there.
[06:56] <onlainari> yeh
[06:56] <Pott> I think that someone really jumped the gun.
[06:56] <cmel> but I'm here because It's interresting
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[06:56] <Pott> The rest of the followers naturally followed.
[06:56] <cmel> hi snook
[06:56] <SnookPoon> Hey
[06:56] <Pott> Now it's worse than a shooting gallery.
[06:57] <cmel> it's not a shooting gallery because you get kicked if you say something wrong
[06:57] <cmel> hehe
[06:57] <Pott> A lot of facts you'll find were not scientifically investigated but simply asserted,
[06:58] <Pott> I'm sure there are people out there making lots of money by playing this PX deal to their hearts content.
[06:59] <Pott> When in the order of money if you could make $10,000 talking some shit why not?
[06:59] <cmel> I agree
[07:00] <Pott> Does it have to be true no it just has to be believable to these followers whom are too ignorant to realize that they are not watching the enigma but are part of it.
[07:00] <cmel> I think NancyL is in that league
[07:01] <cmel> I don't know about the spelling thogh
[07:01] <cmel> :)
[07:02] <Pott> Sorry onlainari that I couldn't answer your question as asked.
[07:02] <onlainari> no problem...I guess no one can :)
[07:02] <Pott> I don't know what it is and if I did know well just refer to what I just said.
[07:02] <Pott> The likelyhood is that any information is BS.
[07:03] <Pott> It
[07:03] <Pott> It's the people who read it who think it's good.
[07:03] <onlainari> the truth is that they spotted something 1983
[07:03] <onlainari> what else is true
[07:03] <cmel> nasa
[07:04] <cmel> yes
[07:04] <onlainari> ye I go take something to eat ->
[07:04] <Pott> onlainari: One more thing
[07:04] <onlainari> ok
[07:05] <Pott> I'm not trying to close your mind to this issue rather open it to what the issue is it's self.
[07:05] <onlainari> yeah I understand...
[07:05] <cmel> you're a missionary pott
[07:05] <onlainari> hehe
[07:05] <cmel> :)
[07:05] <Pott> I'll admit i don't understand a lot of it myself
[07:06] <Pott> Then I realize were not supposed to understand it only think we do.
[07:06] <onlainari> of course I have this whole issue in my mind until I see it's not true....it's interesting :)
[07:06] <Pott> It
[07:07] <Pott> It's really not too much on my mind at all.
[07:07] <cmel> pott you'r funny
[07:07] <onlainari> ye not me neither except when I get to this computer
[07:07] <Pott> It may seem so but i'm no PX freak.
[07:07] <onlainari> atm I don't have anything better to do with my cpu at least :>
[07:07] <onlainari> brb ->
[07:07] <cmel> No you the opposite
[07:08] <cmel> are
[07:08] <Pott> I just like to discuss the undiscussable hehe.
[07:08] <cmel> :)
[07:08] <cmel> me too
[07:08] <cmel> but I keep getting kicked
[07:08] <cmel> hehe
[07:09] <Pott> I'
[07:09] <Pott> I'm just sick and tired of seeing all this BS and people buying it.
[07:10] <Pott> Thinking they are on to "The truth of things".
[07:10] <cmel> I was buying it in january
[07:10] <cmel> hehe
[07:10] <cmel> but now ... no way
[07:10] <Pott> I really think the truth of things goes beyond the Internet or any book.
[07:11] <cmel> yes you're right I think
[07:11] <Pott> Sure there is a lot of information but just look at everything around us without it that information it's self would be non-existant.
[07:12] <cmel> haha
[07:12] <cmel> yes
[07:13] <onlainari> what's this thing on saturday? nancyl comes here to chat?
[07:14] <cmel> no shes on zetatalk
[07:14] <onlainari> ok
[07:14] <cmel> around 23:00 gmt
[07:14] <Pott> I'm not saying that none of that information is true rather absolute truth is all around us always.
[07:14] <cmel> but check up on that that
[07:14] <cmel> :)
[07:15] <cmel> info is sparse in my mind hehe
[07:15] <cmel> pott
[07:15] <Pott> yes?
[07:16] <cmel> :)
[07:16] <cmel> just kidding
[07:17] <cmel> I know everything .... hehe
[07:18] <Pott> I know a lot of the shit I say may seem wack.
[07:19] <Pott> I wouldn't be able to come up with these sorts of things if I did not go through a spiritual awakening.
[07:19] <Pott> I had to let it go back to sleep ;)
[07:21] <Pott> If I didn't stop I really think I would have ended up inadvertently killing myself.
[07:22] <Pott> Sleep Paralysis and OBE's are a lot of stress.
[07:23] <Pott> Heart rate and breathing go out the roof.
[07:24] <Pott> As well as brain activity so you end up getting a headache.
[07:25] <Pott> The only thing keeping my spiritually repressed is smoking weed it for some reasons hinders my abilities.
[07:26] <Pott> A couple of weeks ago I went a day without smoking weed and sure enough those abilities emerged when I went to sleep.
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[07:27] <Pott> As a matter of fact it hit me so hard I realized the transition between wake and sleep and found myself instantly in a lucid dream.
[07:28] <obaway> i will return later
[07:28] <obaway> bye
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[07:29] <FunBot> [IQx] mooooo
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[07:29] <obaway> i will return later
[07:29] <obaway> i will return later
[07:29] <obaway> bye
[07:29] <IQx> bye obany
[07:29] <Pott> The abilities I have is not what scares me it is the obligations that go along with it.
[07:29] <Pott> Heck I don't even fully understand them yet.
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[07:34] <SnookPoon> Pott: So what's an OBE like. I've never had one
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[08:24] <cmel> pott I've realised new things about you
[08:24] <cmel> dammit
[08:24] <cmel> weedguy
[08:24] <cmel> hehe
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[08:54] <DRGREEN> weed?
[08:54] <cmel> well pott amditted hes smoking pot
[08:55] <cmel> :)
[08:55] <DRGREEN> aha.
[08:55] <cmel> thus weedguy
[08:55] <DRGREEN> It relaxes the muscles and emptys the mind.
[08:55] <cmel> :)
[08:55] <cmel> yes
[08:56] <DRGREEN> It makes me caugh bad though.
[08:56] <cmel> me too, Ive tried a few times, without success
[08:56] <DRGREEN> I weed legally available where you live?
[08:56] <cmel> nope
[08:56] <cmel> hehe
[08:57] <DRGREEN> I can buy weed on every corner of the street. I think smoking a joint does no harm, less than drinking alcohol anyway.
[08:57] <cmel> but theres too many who does it, so they cant find everybody
[08:58] <cmel> :)
[08:58] <cmel> me too
[08:58] <DRGREEN> Alcohol tends to make people aggressive, weed never does that.
[08:58] <cmel> but I hate smoking
[08:58] <cmel> I just cant
[08:58] <DRGREEN> I understand. But I'm addicted.
[08:58] <cmel> hehe
[08:58] <DRGREEN> Shit nicotine.
[08:58] <DRGREEN> Never should have started/
[08:59] * cmel smiles greatly from alcohol, instead of weed
[08:59] <DRGREEN> Of course, alcohol CAN give you a lot of fun. But I do not like the taste of alcohol, makes me wanna puke.
[09:00] <cmel> then you drink too much hehe
[09:00] <DRGREEN> Rather smoke weed. Still, I guess It's always the person directing the body.
[09:00] <DRGREEN> You know
[09:00] <cmel> if you bring me a nice cake, I'll eat it anytime
[09:01] <DRGREEN> I have friends who drink alcohol, usually very friendly
[09:01] <cmel> :)
[09:01] <DRGREEN> Hhehe.
[09:01] <cmel> haha
[09:01] <DRGREEN> but when they're drunk, they're sometimes very aggressive, even to me, they cannot even realize that they're behaving stupid.
[09:01] <cmel> so where are we ??
[09:02] <DRGREEN> I'm here.
[09:02] <cmel> I'm here too
[09:02] <DRGREEN> So what do you mean?
[09:02] <cmel> just a sec :)
[09:03] <DRGREEN> You believe there's a possibillity of Nibiru passing in 2003?
[09:03] * Looking up sapphire user info...
[09:03] <cmel> I would like to eat cakes instead of alco. , and do you ?
[09:04] <cmel> bout nibiru no not really
[09:04] <DRGREEN> Tried cake once, You mean THAT kind of cake don't you? Ate it once, worked but tasted awfull.
[09:04] <cmel> about
[09:05] <DRGREEN> So you think It's a brown dwarf? You believe it exists but does not pass in 2003?
[09:05] <DRGREEN> curious.
[09:05] <cmel> but it must be possible to make cakes that tastes good
[09:05] <DRGREEN> Sounds possible, but never had a good cook who tried it.
[09:06] <cmel> no I don't have a clue
[09:06] <cmel> hehe
[09:06] <DRGREEN> You just come here for fun?
[09:07] <cmel> no not just !! I have real issues that needs to be resolved
[09:07] <DRGREEN> Maybe the Zeta's got me trapped, but I fear they're right.
[09:07] <cmel> me too
[09:07] <DRGREEN> Okay, sorry, did not mean just.
[09:07] <cmel> thats ok
[09:07] <DRGREEN> real issues?
[09:07] <DRGREEN> could you enlighten me?
[09:08] <cmel> I've been known to joke too
[09:08] <DRGREEN> noticed that hehe.
[09:08] <DRGREEN> So, could you present your problems to me?
[09:09] <cmel> well I've had some very lucid dreams lately what are those
[09:09] <cmel> just an example
[09:09] <DRGREEN> What kind?
[09:09] <cmel> all very px related
[09:09] <cmel> maybe my fears comming out
[09:10] <DRGREEN> Have them too. Maybe were contactees and the Zeta's imprint those fears, so they can feed on them.
[09:10] <DRGREEN> just a theory of course.
[09:10] <DRGREEN> Dreams are confusing.
[09:10] <cmel> they have a real smorgosboard .... hehe
[09:11] <DRGREEN> Had a dream once about a girl, loved her but do not know her. Funny eh? What's smorgosboard?
[09:11] <cmel> dont know about the spelling
[09:11] <cmel> smørrebrødsbord
[09:11] <DRGREEN> still do not understand.
[09:12] <cmel> hehe I don't know how to translate
[09:12] <DRGREEN> I dream about PX passing whil I'm not ready yet, huge tidalwaves.
[09:12] <cmel> bread with different toppings
[09:12] <DRGREEN> aha. You come from europe?
[09:13] <DRGREEN> sounds kinda like scandinavian or sommething.
[09:13] <cmel> I've dreamt about meteors
[09:13] <cmel> yes
[09:14] <cmel> seems to me someone is inducing fear into us
[09:14] <cmel> :(
[09:14] <DRGREEN> fear yes. Confusing the zetamessage is.
[09:15] <DRGREEN> so not know if I believe, yet it sounds like the best explanation for the changes.
[09:16] <cmel> yes
[09:16] <DRGREEN> My brother returnes with WEED! Yoohoo! (cough cough ahum).
[09:16] <cmel> hehe
[09:17] <cmel>  nice smoke a joint for me ....
[09:17] <DRGREEN> will do that.
[09:17] <cmel> :)
[09:17] <DRGREEN> Oh no, he didn't buy it.
[09:17] <cmel> dammi
[09:17] <cmel> t
[09:17] <DRGREEN> He's mad at me, yelling in my ear.
[09:17] <cmel> hehe
[09:17] <DRGREEN> Says I should have bought it.
[09:17] <cmel> haha
[09:18] * cmel laughs while rolling on the floor
[09:19] <cmel> dr. whats happening
[09:19] <DRGREEN> Oh no, he's joking. He DID buy it, but he lost it underway.
[09:19] * cmel taking a sip of the nice beer
[09:19] <cmel> hehe
[09:20] <DRGREEN> He returned and bought more, but he;s just irritated so now he's punching his frustration out on me. ouch.
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[09:20] <DRGREEN> hey monkeyboy.
[09:20] <monk> hi
[09:21] <cmel> hey monk
[09:21] <cmel> thats just fine ?? dr. ??
[09:21] <DRGREEN> Yes, makes me stronger haha. All part of martial arts I guess haha.
[09:22] <cmel> hehe
[09:22] <cmel> give him a circlekick
[09:22] <cmel> haha
[09:22] <DRGREEN> He's relaxed now, because he's smoking.
[09:22] <cmel> ahaa
[09:22] <cmel> good
[09:23] <cmel> hhhmmmm
[09:23] <cmel> relax dont do it
[09:23] <cmel> hehe
[09:23] <DRGREEN> haha.
[09:24] <cmel> i've tried but not had an exp. that was fun
[09:24] <cmel> ?
[09:24] <DRGREEN> tried what? exp? explain?
[09:24] <cmel> weed
[09:24] <DRGREEN> not had an what?
[09:25] <cmel> a fun experience
[09:25] <DRGREEN> sorry for you. I usually laugh my ass of when I'm stoned.
[09:25] <cmel> I've tried 3 times :(
[09:25] <monk> im usaully happy when im stoned
[09:26] <cmel> none of them special
[09:26] <DRGREEN> But it creates nice philosophy too. I can think so deep when I'm stoned.
[09:26] <DRGREEN> Then I forget everything haha.
[09:26] <monk> I would never be here if i never smoked
[09:26] <cmel> hehe, and write music too
[09:26] <monk> I dont smoke anymore tho
[09:26] <cmel> hehe monk
[09:26] <DRGREEN> So, any of you play viedeogames?
[09:27] <cmel> pc games
[09:27] <cmel> I do
[09:27] <monk> I played asheronscall
[09:27] <monk> a role playing game
[09:27] <DRGREEN> What;s that? a rpg?
[09:27] <cmel> not for me
[09:27] <DRGREEN> aha.
[09:27] <DRGREEN> I loved Deus Ex. you played?
[09:28] <cmel> noper
[09:28] <monk> rpg yes
[09:28] <monk> its a online rpg
[09:28] <monk> you pay 10$ a month to play
[09:28] <cmel> rts is my league
[09:28] <DRGREEN> I wonder what World of Warcraft would look and play like.
[09:28] <DRGREEN> What's rts cmel?
[09:28] <cmel> real time strategy
[09:28] <DRGREEN> Command an concuer like?
[09:28] <monk> I also played anarchy online
[09:28] <cmel> yes
[09:29] <monk> i got a level 117 on that game
[09:29] <cmel> you know dungeon seige
[09:29] <cmel> siege
[09:29] <DRGREEN> heard of it, do not know.
[09:29] <cmel> I have a level 66 level character
[09:30] <monk> yea my mom beat dungeon seige
[09:30] <cmel> hehe
[09:30] <cmel> it's been 14 days since I've played
[09:31] <monk> I played warcraft 3 once
[09:31] <cmel> good for you
[09:31] <cmel> :)
[09:31] <DRGREEN> I think Warcraft 3 is supercool from what I've seen.
[09:31] <sapphire> Elder Scrolls 3 is pretty good
[09:31] <DRGREEN> Wish I had that game.
[09:31] <monk> which game u want drgreen
[09:31] <cmel> oh no, me money runs out
[09:32] <DRGREEN> Unreal Tournament, anyonme played that?
[09:32] <cmel> no
[09:32] <DRGREEN> I want Warcraft 3.
[09:32] <sapphire> yeah, that's still fun
[09:32] <cmel> I get sick
[09:32] <DRGREEN> I create levels for Unreal. It's easy and really addicting!
[09:32] <DRGREEN> Yeah, some people have that, getting sich from 1st person shooters.
[09:32] <cmel> unreal tourn...
[09:33] <cmel> yep and I hate it
[09:33] <cmel> :(
[09:33] <DRGREEN> tourney yes.
[09:33] <monk> anyone ever play americans army ?
[09:33] <cmel> I downloaded it but ...
[09:33] <DRGREEN> Do not like America or anything that's got to do with their patroitism.
[09:33] <sapphire> no, but there supposed to be sending me the cd..someday
[09:34] <monk> i played it .. it sucked because it was buged
[09:34] <monk> couldn't pass the training mission
[09:34] <DRGREEN> That's crap.
[09:34] <sapphire> yeah, i heard there were patches
[09:34] <DRGREEN> Sapphire, if you got time could you test my latest level?
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[09:34] <sapphire> sure
[09:34] <DRGREEN> curious what others think about it.
[09:34] <cmel> but DRG I played both wolfenstein, and doom before I began to get sick
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[09:35] <DRGREEN> Yes, that's another engine
[09:35] <DRGREEN> not real 3d, somehow it makes a difference i notice.
[09:35] <cmel> perhaps, but I dislike it
[09:35] <DRGREEN> I have friends who never got sich, until quake.
[09:35] <DRGREEN> sick.
[09:36] <cmel> k DRG
[09:36] <cmel> it's strange
[09:36] <DRGREEN> weird yes. Anyone heard about matthew Bellamy lately?
[09:36] <sapphire> i wonder if a doctor would write you a prescription for Dramamine or some such, if you told him you had a "1st person shooter" problem
[09:37] <cmel> whos that ?
[09:37] <cmel> sap. whats that
[09:37] <sapphire> motion sickness medicine
[09:37] <cmel> I have a prob.
[09:37] <cmel> k sap
[09:37] <sapphire> sea sicknes, etc
[09:38] <DRGREEN> I am carsick, but have no probs playing 1st person shooters.
[09:38] <cmel> you've heard of that you'rself
[09:38] <cmel> ?
[09:38] <cmel> sap
[09:38] <sapphire> my cousin get's car-sickness
[09:38] <sapphire> i don't get any of that stuff
[09:38] <cmel> but 1'st shooter -..... ??
[09:39] <sapphire> yeah, i've heard of people getting sick playing 1st person games
[09:39] <cmel> person
[09:39] <cmel> strange
[09:39] <cmel> it is
[09:39] <cmel> I sound like master yoda
[09:40] <cmel> hehe
[09:40] <DRGREEN> Yes, just wanna say that.
[09:40] <DRGREEN> wanted to say.
[09:40] <sapphire> say that, you did
[09:40] <cmel> may the force be with you
[09:40] <cmel> haha
[09:40] <DRGREEN> You believe in a true force? Life-force, Chi?
[09:41] <DRGREEN> God as some will call it?
[09:41] <cmel> I believe in karma
[09:41] <sapphire> I believe we are not just physical bodies
[09:41] <cmel> that too I believe in (yoda)
[09:41] <DRGREEN> I wonder what the human limits are.
[09:42] <cmel> they are above the atmosphere
[09:42] <sapphire> technologically, there shouldn't be any limit
[09:42] <cmel> somewhere
[09:42] <cmel> yes
[09:42] <cmel> sap
[09:42] <cmel> but
[09:42] <DRGREEN> Think you might be right, but will take a lot of time before we reach such level.
[09:43] <sapphire> right, it is still possible that we have a "time" limit
[09:43] <cmel> I agree I do
[09:43] * cmel is now known as Yoda
[09:44] <Yoda> hello I say
[09:44] <DRGREEN> To you too I say hello.
[09:44] <sapphire> yoda, you should participate in the ZT IRC sessions on Saturdays and see if Nancy can stand being asked in that fashion
[09:45] <DRGREEN> So sapphire, you do not like nancy?
[09:45] <Yoda> k, sap     but you know kicked I will be
[09:45] <sapphire> i don't know her.  I just think it would be funny to see her reaction.
[09:45] <sapphire> yoda, just make sure you come in as "yoda"
[09:45] <Yoda> but whats the real spelling of my name
[09:45] <DRGREEN> You believe she's honest? An honest person?
[09:46] <sapphire> It is still possible in my opinion
[09:46] <DRGREEN> Do not have to answer, just curious. I think Nancy is True and honest, just do not know what the Zeta-intentions are.
[09:46] <Yoda> it must be the spelling thats right
[09:47] <Yoda> :)
[09:47] <sapphire> that is possible
[09:47] <Yoda> may the force be with you all
[09:47] <DRGREEN> Thank you Yoda, I feel stronger already.
[09:47] <Jeremy> Hello Master Yoda
[09:47] <Yoda> DRGReen thx
[09:48] <Yoda> greetings to you too Jeremy
[09:48] <Yoda> I'm in training to bo the greatest jedi I am
[09:48] <Yoda> be
[09:49] <Yoda> :)
[09:49] <DRGREEN> So, IF you were a real Jedi, what would you use your powers for?
[09:50] <Yoda> for the good of the people I would
[09:50] <DRGREEN> I would rescue all the pretty girls hehe.
[09:51] <DRGREEN> Save the world. make peace.
[09:51] <Yoda> I would use my powers to rescue everyone, girls of course would come first
[09:51] <DRGREEN> Do you understand war?
[09:51] <DRGREEN> Why do peaple war?
[09:51] <Yoda> I do yes
[09:51] <DRGREEN> I know the answer.
[09:51] <DRGREEN> But feel sorry humans are like this.
[09:52] <Jeremy> I just looked at the 'Planet X 2003' poll on xfacts.com. So far, 62% of those votes polled believe it will return next year..
[09:52] <DRGREEN> Yes, but Martell doesn't anymore.
[09:52] <Jeremy> correct, but he believes PX exists out there
[09:53] <Yoda> they do because they're being lead by money people
[09:53] <DRGREEN> That's true.
[09:53] <DRGREEN> He will believe in a 2003 passing when pictures and scientific facts are released I guess.
[09:54] <Jeremy> We should all know by early April when the reddish cross is due to appear
[09:54] <Yoda> me jedi yoda, is sorry, very sorry :(
[09:54] <Jeremy> lol
[09:54] <Yoda> hehe
[09:55] <DRGREEN> Yes, but I will seriously start doubting the Zetamessage when PX is not photographed in december.
[09:55] <DRGREEN> Next year and still no pictures.
[09:55] <Yoda> feel the force DRG
[09:55] <Motivez> wth April now?
[09:55] <DRGREEN> I try, but fear and anger clouds my mind.
[09:56] <Jeremy> I agree, ZT credibility will be damaged if no sighting is made by the end of the year. I'm prepared to wait until the reddish cross though.
[09:56] <Yoda> yes I can see the anger
[09:56] <Motivez> heh
[09:56] <DRGREEN> I will wait with an open mind till april, yes, but feel insecure till then.
[09:56] <Yoda> the anger I can see
[09:56] <Yoda> he insecurity I can see
[09:56] <Yoda> hehe
[09:57] <Jeremy> Master Yoda, what planet will you relocate to before the pole shift?
[09:57] <DRGREEN> Yoda, if you do send me a card!
[09:58] <Yoda> me I will stay people to help
[09:58] <DRGREEN> Very good spirit you have.
[09:58] <Jeremy> yeah
[09:58] <Yoda> card I will send
[09:58] <Yoda> Jedi I am
[09:58] <DRGREEN> But Darth is also Jedi?
[09:58] <DRGREEN> Or not Jedi anymore because of evil?
[09:59] <Yoda> hes going bad he is
[09:59] <Jeremy> Did you hear that 22 people were killed from strong snowstorms in South Africa? I have never recalled hearing about severe winter weather claiming lives there before.
[09:59] <DRGREEN> I heard, all across the world strange weather.
[09:59] <Yoda> we have not decided yet the council have
[10:00] <DRGREEN> China had ice falling from the sky, as huge as chicken eggs, and sometimes as huge as cartires!
[10:00] <Jeremy> yeah, over 15 people were killed from that
[10:00] <DRGREEN> People were killed.
[10:00] <DRGREEN> yes.
[10:00] <Yoda> ne me too jer
[10:00] <Yoda> south afr
[10:01] <Yoda> strange drg
[10:01] <DRGREEN> what is strange?
[10:01] * Yoda is now known as cmel
[10:01] <DRGREEN> How do you call it in english? frozen rain.
[10:01] <cmel> the china incident
[10:02] <Jeremy> hailstones
[10:02] <cmel> yeah hail
[10:02] <DRGREEN> hailstones hagel dus.
[10:02] <cmel>  but if theyre bit hailstones
[10:02] <cmel> big
[10:03] <Jeremy> I also posted an article on tt-watch today about severe drought driving rats into wealthy areas of Los Angeles
[10:03] <DRGREEN> Yeah, they were really big according to the papers.
[10:04] <[3j]> morning
[10:04] <cmel> hehe good for them, they need prob.'s aswell
[10:04] <cmel> as well
[10:04] <DRGREEN> Ice melting on south pole, and water freezing on the other side. Poles are moving more rapidly lately.
[10:04] <Jeremy> good morning (its evening here) 3j
[10:04] <cmel> ice melting on north pole
[10:05] <DRGREEN> Could go on I guess. Lots of thing changing.
[10:05] <[3j]> g'morning/g'day/g'evening
[10:05] <cmel> there's not much ice there this summer
[10:05] <DRGREEN> good afternoon.
[10:05] <cmel> g'day
[10:05] <DRGREEN> It;s morning there 3J?
[10:05] <cmel> I mean north pole
[10:05] <[3j]> 10am
[10:05] <Jeremy> No doubt that weather anomalies are persisting around the world
[10:05] <cmel> 19:06
[10:06] <cmel> here
[10:06] <DRGREEN> 19:10
[10:06] <DRGREEN> same area I guess.
[10:06] <cmel> ok much watch is wrong
[10:06] <cmel> hehe
[10:06] <cmel> yes
[10:06] <[3j]> yea they weather is very weird everywhere. here in az its much cooler than normal, actually cooler than other places in the USA, and thats not normal
[10:06] <DRGREEN> Nono, It's the manupulating time done by the US navy! hehe.
[10:06] <[3j]> i dont even have to put the A/C on..
[10:07] <Jeremy> 3j: what kind of temperature is it then?
[10:07] <cmel> we've had a tornado in dk
[10:07] <cmel> just lately
[10:07] <[3j]> Temp:  90F/32C    Wind Chill:  90F/32C    Humidity: 38%    
[10:07] <[3j]> Conditions: Mostly Cloudy with wind at 13 mph
[10:07] <DRGREEN> It's warmer here than in preceding years, and more dry.
[10:07] <cmel> ripped a few homes apart
[10:07] <DRGREEN> preceding? years before.
[10:07] <[3j]> tornado in danemark? are those normal?
[10:08] <Jeremy> 3j: well 32C is sweltering for some climates, but what should it normally be there?
[10:08] <cmel> nope 20 years since the last one
[10:08] <[3j]> it should reach the 40-45 celcius
[10:08] <cmel> it was level 2 on the fujita scale
[10:08] <DRGREEN> That's hot man! Too hot for me.
[10:08] <Jeremy> 3j: ah right .. yeah well above 100F
[10:08] <[3j]> around noon its the hottest, and i doubt it will gain 10 celcius within 2-3 hours
[10:09] <DRGREEN> How much Cel is 100 Fahr?
[10:09] <[3j]> i forgot conversion formula
[10:09] <[3j]> :)
[10:09] <cmel> I tried 43c in phoenix ariz.
[10:09] <cmel> once
[10:09] <Jeremy> 3j: Phoenix must be one of the hottest cities in the USA..
[10:10] <[3j]> yes it is
[10:10] <DRGREEN> The air is dryer there I guess, else I would certainly burn at 45 cel
[10:10] <[3j]> we're very near death valley. the hottest spot in the USA
[10:10] <cmel> I've been there once
[10:10] <Jeremy> really
[10:10] <[3j]> yup the lack of humidity makes it better, still its cool lately
[10:10] <DRGREEN> Sunburn I mean, not litteraly catch fire.
[10:10] <DRGREEN> But hot.
[10:10] <[3j]> not as hot as the summer months of the past years..
[10:11] <Jeremy> cmel: Did you drive through Death Valley on holiday?
[10:11] <cmel> yep, and up through sedona oak creek up to the south rim
[10:11] <cmel> yes
[10:11] <cmel> jer
[10:11] <Jeremy> ok
[10:11] <[3j]> i havent even visited sedona yet
[10:11] <[3j]> or death valley
[10:11] <cmel> it's ufo country I hear hehe
[10:12] <cmel> sedona
[10:12] <[3j]> you read that on web?
[10:12] <DRGREEN> Bye all.
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[10:12] <cmel> but before the rim we stayed in flagstaff
[10:12] <[3j]> i remember a few years ago there was a major ufo sightin in phoenix
[10:13] <cmel> yep I doo 3j
[10:13] <[3j]> i didnt see it though
[10:13] <[3j]> :(
[10:13] <cmel> and had danish for breakfast .... hehe
[10:13] <[3j]> but the few weeks leading into the 9-11 incident i saw two flying objects that I was unable to identify
[10:14] <cmel> it was propably mili. ----
[10:14] <[3j]> i gota go visit flagstaff too
[10:14] <[3j]> get some skis, etc
[10:14] <Jeremy> very pleasant there
[10:14] <cmel> yep do it nice place
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[10:14] <Ogmios> hi
[10:14] <cmel> hi ogm
[10:15] <Jeremy> Hi Ogmios
[10:15] <Ogmios> whats new?
[10:15] <Jeremy> Been talking about strange weather incidents around the world
[10:15] <Ogmios> we have had heavy rain here..many dies
[10:15] <Ogmios> days
[10:16] <cmel> and a tornado in denmark
[10:16] <Jeremy> South Africa has lost 22 people from violent snowstorms
[10:16] <cmel> and its 20 some years since the last one
[10:17] <cmel> 2 on the fujita scale
[10:17] <Jeremy> when did that occur cmel?
[10:17] <cmel> 14 days ago jer.
[10:17] <Jeremy> oh, that recently?
[10:17] <cmel> circa
[10:17] <cmel> yes
[10:18] <Ogmios> dunno how crops take this rain. spring was record dry and now this..
[10:19] <cmel> it ripped homes appart, and rofs away
[10:19] <cmel> I think about 10 homes got ripped
[10:21] <cmel> maybe I'm wrong about the timeframe, perhaps it's 3 weeks ago
[10:21] <cmel> look to it plz
[10:21] <Ogmios> what happens to internet if worldcom falls
[10:22] <cmel> it slows down
[10:22] <cmel> but we have at least 9 months
[10:23] <[3j]> nothing ogmios
[10:24] <[3j]> worldcomm and there fiberoptics just won't disspear after a bankruptcy
[10:24] <cmel> someone else will buy it
[10:24] <[3j]> worldcomm will still be around
[10:25] <cmel> but worldcom has a real prob. ..
[10:26] <[3j]> they will still be around
[10:26] <[3j]> even if you declare bankruptcy you can still do biz..
[10:27] <cmel> yes 3j
[10:28] <cmel> I hope so too
[10:29] <[3j]> a good example is kmart. thats a big retail store in the usa
[10:29] <[3j]> they have plenty of stores in about every city. they filled for bankruptcy too, but i can still go shop there
[10:30] <[3j]> and i think polaroid was another that filled bankruptcy? but there are still polaroid things coming out
[10:30] <[3j]> worldcomm has lots of assets and biz..
[10:33] <cmel> yes , keeps working
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[10:56] <SnookPoon> Here we go again on the DOW...down 93
[10:57] <Jeremy> yeah
[10:57] <Jeremy> Hi SnookPoon
[10:57] <SnookPoon> hey
[10:58] <sapphire> really...i've just got back from the store..
[10:58] <SnookPoon> It's coming back up now a little...
[10:59] <SnookPoon> down 57
[10:59] <Jeremy> Have you read Mother Shiptons prophecies before?
[10:59] <SnookPoon> No, never heard of her
[11:00] <SnookPoon> what's it about
[11:00] <Jeremy> She was a 16th century (I think) woman who lived in Yorkshire, England and had remarkable psychic powers...
[11:00] <Jeremy> All of her prophecies, written in rhyming verse, have come true
[11:00] <SnookPoon> What did she predict
[11:01] <Jeremy> A variety of stuff, I think I have an HTML file
[11:01] <sapphire> "dragon's tail" relative to PX story
[11:01] <Jeremy> yes sapphire
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[11:02] <Jeremy> I try and paste the first part of her prophecy that could relate to the return of PX next year..
[11:03] <Jeremy> Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die.
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[11:03] <Jeremy> oops
[11:05] <Jeremy> Did that text get pasted?
[11:05] <SnookPoon> A war will follow with the work
[11:05] <SnookPoon>                                         Where dwells the Pagan and the Turk
[11:06] <SnookPoon> Wonder what that means?
[11:06] <Jeremy> Disintegration of the Ottoman Empire before World War I perhaps
[11:09] <Jeremy> Did you find a Mother Shipton website, SnookPoon?
[11:10] <SnookPoon> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Shipton.html
[11:11] <SnookPoon> There's the whole thing It sounds just like what nancy says
[11:13] <Jeremy> I have to leave now, but coming back later tonight
[11:13] <Jeremy> Bye
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[11:21] <SnookPoon> I just read the whole thing
[11:22] <sapphire> how was it?
[11:22] <SnookPoon> I talks about china becoming powerfule because of russia
[11:23] <SnookPoon>  and starting I assume a nuclear war and the dragon in the sky
[11:23] <SnookPoon> for seven days
[11:24] <SnookPoon> and massive flooding ans mountain builing
[11:24] <SnookPoon> and the new land that comes from the sea
[11:25] <SnookPoon> will be the place where the silver serpent comes and mingles with man and teaches man the how to live in harmoney
[11:27] <SnookPoon> And before the race is built anew....A silver serpent comes to view....And spew out men of like unknown
[11:28] <SnookPoon> To mingle with the earth now grown...Cold from its heat and these men can....Enlighten the minds of future man.
[11:30] <SnookPoon> But the land that rises from the sea.....Will be dry and clean and soft and free....Of mankinds dirt and therefore be....The source of man's new dynasty
[11:40] <djtrypt> hye anyone here?
[11:40] <SnookPoon> Yep..
[11:40] <djtrypt> whats up i just had the strangest dream
[11:40] <djtrypt> every
[11:41] <djtrypt> night i get a diff dream
[11:41] <SnookPoon> We've been reading Mother Shiptons prophecies
[11:41] <djtrypt> yea
[11:41] <djtrypt> i looked back on the chat to see what you guys talked about
[11:41] <SnookPoon> what did you dream?
[11:41] <djtrypt> this dream i had, was odd. i was sitting in my living room in my dream
[11:41] <djtrypt> and the fukkin pope walked in through my door
[11:41] <djtrypt> he sat down and said to me
[11:42] <djtrypt> you must know this
[11:42] <djtrypt> opens up the bible to a page
[11:42] <djtrypt> and points out the word He, as in describing the lord
[11:42] <djtrypt> he said you must know what it truly means
[11:42] <djtrypt> h is life
[11:42] <djtrypt> and e is death
[11:42] <djtrypt> he then said
[11:43] <djtrypt> our religon here is dying, and can not be saved, we are in a new era, with new hopes and dreams,
[11:43] <djtrypt> farewell
[11:43] <djtrypt> then i wook yp
[11:43] <djtrypt> as i heard a huge thunderclap
[11:43] <SnookPoon> huummm
[11:43] <djtrypt> cuz we got a bad thunderand lighting storm irghn ow
[11:44] <djtrypt> its was soo vivid
[11:44] <SnookPoon> coool
[11:44] <djtrypt> neways
[11:44] <SnookPoon> I never remember my dreams
[11:44] <djtrypt> i lyed in bed thinking about it for like 5 mins
[11:44] <djtrypt> my GF is like are you okay you look kinda odd
[11:45] <djtrypt> im like im okay and fell back asleep
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[11:45] <SnookPoon> Wonder what it means
[11:46] <djtrypt> hummm i dunno
[11:46] <SnookPoon> h=life and e=death
[11:46] <djtrypt> yeah that was weird
[11:46] <SnookPoon> he
[11:46] <djtrypt> i gotta look up the meaning for hewbrew, or whatever language it would be in
[11:47] <SnookPoon> go to one of those web language translators
[11:48] <SnookPoon> maybe latin
[11:49] <djtrypt> yeah im lookin it up in greek/latin
[11:56] <djtrypt> have you ever thought that jesus, if he did exist in our world, was actually the first 4th density denizen to9 walk the arth in there 3rd density form?
[11:57] <SnookPoon> no
[11:58] <SnookPoon> If you could see him then he wasn't fourth density
[11:58] <djtrypt> thats want i mean
[11:58] <djtrypt> the first 4th => 3rd
[11:59] <SnookPoon> Oh, I don't know :)
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[12:18] <obaway> i have read the mother shipton prophecy also ..
[12:18] <obaway> dragon in the sky ... the bible also use the word dagron
[12:19] <obaway> fire --> red Planet X   
[12:19] <Ogmios> hi obany
[12:19] <Ogmios> the bible tells about past px?
[12:19] <Ogmios> or coming
[12:21] <obaway> coming for what i know... but also about pasts i think
[12:22] <obaway> the bible speaks about The Lord
[12:23] <sapphire> obany: are your parents christians?
[12:25] <obaway> I have a Christian background yes.. Why do you want ot know ?
[12:27] <sapphire> your obsession with ZT material almost seems to indicate a rebellion against a strict religious upbringing...
[12:28] <obaway> well my upbringing wasn't that strict
[12:34] <obaway> you are still researching me aren't you ?? :)
[13:06] <[3j]> that shipton prophecy page is interesting..
[13:07] <sapphire> haven't looked at it yet
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[13:13] <djtrypt> hey
[13:15] <onlainari> where is it
[13:15] <onlainari> shipton page
[13:15] <sapphire> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Shipton.html
[13:16] <onlainari> ty
[13:16] <[3j]> i wonder how authentic it is..
[13:16] <djtrypt> how can you possibly believe that
[13:16] <[3j]> and why would mother shipton write in rhymes/riddles
[13:17] <[3j]> believe in what dj?
[13:17] <djtrypt> some crackhead was probably fukkin around
[13:17] <djtrypt> that site
[13:17] <djtrypt> it doesnt look very crediable
[13:17] <djtrypt> i didn't mean you personaly
[13:17] <djtrypt> you in 3rd person
[13:17] <[3j]> i understand
[13:17] <[3j]> thats what i meant, how authentic it is
[13:18] <[3j]> http://www.mothershipton.co.uk exists
[13:18] <[3j]> hehe with a witch image
[13:19] <djtrypt> jesus
[13:19] <djtrypt> ROFL
[13:19] <djtrypt> i think if it said kill yourself b4 the witch come, i think i just might do it
[13:19] <djtrypt> zHAHAHAHHA
[13:20] <djtrypt> why would you write prophecies in ryhms
[13:20] <djtrypt> thats way to confusing
[13:20] <[3j]> yew
[13:20] <[3j]> yes
[13:20] <[3j]> yes why!
[13:21] <[3j]> hehe
[13:21] <[3j]> actually i think its because shes from thr 16th century
[13:21] <[3j]> same reason as nostradamus, to avoid getting killed or something
[13:21] <djtrypt> haha
[13:21] <djtrypt> hummm maybe
[13:21] <djtrypt> i dunno if ppl are that dumb you know
[13:21] <djtrypt> but that might be a reason
[13:22] <[3j]> well if beheadings and hangings where such a common thing, done in the common square, i'd be fearful too
[13:22] <djtrypt> yes
[13:22] <djtrypt> tis so
[13:22] <[3j]> im gona get some food, bbl
[13:23] <djtrypt> aight
[13:23] <obaway> it's also here http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/helene.htm
[13:23] <djtrypt> hummm..
[13:23] <djtrypt> i dunno i dont trust stuff that ive only heard online
[13:24] <djtrypt> if i say it on discover channel
[13:24] <djtrypt> that would be diff
[13:25] <djtrypt> well im off to chill wit some friends latas
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[13:45] <obaway> hi hi
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[13:45] <STO_WARRIOR> hello hello
[13:46] <STO_WARRIOR> planetX got slammed lastnight on the art bell show
[13:46] <STO_WARRIOR> anyone listen in to the show?
[13:47] <obaway> so i heard ....and i didn't listen to the show nor am i able to
[13:47] <obaway> = Dutch
[13:47] <STO_WARRIOR> thats right, i forgot
[13:47] <STO_WARRIOR> used to be able to listen to it on the computer until they started to charge for it
[13:47] <STO_WARRIOR> hate that !!!!
[13:48] <STO_WARRIOR> well i found a county in idaho that allows one to build any kind of structure without building codes....i'm excited about that
[13:49] <STO_WARRIOR> now all i have to do is secure some cheap land and start building
[13:49] <onlainari> what u mean that it got slammed on the art bell show?
[13:49] <STO_WARRIOR> well i can see everyone is excited about my good fortune
[13:50] <STO_WARRIOR> the guest said it was bullshit
[13:50] <obaway> i also listened to it a couple of times .... but i am not going to become a paying membmer
[13:50] <STO_WARRIOR> nothing is out there basically
[13:51] <STO_WARRIOR> does anyone here believe that the astroid belt used to be a planet?
[13:51] <onlainari> and the guest knows it all?
[13:51] <Motivez> It's going to be slammed more and more if coordinates aren't posted for people to verify
[13:51] <Motivez> which makes sense, because, well, the coordinates that have been posted have yielded no results
[13:51] <STO_WARRIOR> he is very educated a scientist
[13:51] <onlainari> k
[13:52] <STO_WARRIOR> Motivez, hope someone spots something soon
[13:52] <Motivez> Well, at present I don't believe it.
[13:52] <Motivez> Too many conflicting facts and such
[13:52] <STO_WARRIOR> i understand why you wouldn't
[13:52] <obaway> they will be posted/mentioned again in mid september this year wich is not that long anymore
[13:52] <Motivez> But I'd like the coordinates to be posted so someone can start looking and get hard evidence one way or another
[13:52] <obaway> do you even deny all the weather changes ?
[13:53] <Motivez> obany, the weather changes were predicted by lots of people
[13:53] <Motivez> But no, I agree the weather is becoming more intense
[13:53] <STO_WARRIOR> weather changes don't have to mean planetX is on the way in
[13:53] <Motivez> People predicted the stock market thing as well
[13:53] <Motivez> Not just Nancy
[13:53] <Motivez> And
[13:53] <Motivez> to be honest
[13:53] <Motivez> I don't really care about the other stuff
[13:53] <Motivez> Because if this is true
[13:53] <Motivez> None of it will matter.
[13:53] <sapphire> i was recording the art bell show last night...
[13:54] <STO_WARRIOR> we had chemtrails in spokane yesterday
[13:54] <Motivez> chemtrails are weird too
[13:54] <sapphire> but my software (crappy creative stuff) crapped out while i was asleep
[13:54] <Motivez> I really wonder about that stuff
[13:54] <STO_WARRIOR> hell yes
[13:54] <onlainari> what are chemtrails?
[13:54] <STO_WARRIOR> they come from airplanes
[13:54] <sapphire> so, i didn't get to hear the PX debunking
[13:54] <onlainari> me bad english :(
[13:54] <STO_WARRIOR> but aren't contrails
[13:54] <Motivez> sapphrie you put up any more polls yet
[13:55] <Motivez> ?
[13:55] <onlainari> ok
[13:55] <sapphire> no new polls yet.  I don't think there is enough interest right now
[13:55] <Motivez> obany
[13:55] <Motivez> The coordinates need to be posted now
[13:55] <Motivez> Not mid-september
[13:56] <Motivez> delaying discredits everything
[13:56] <STO_WARRIOR> they stay in the air for a very long time and seem to become cloud like, atleast thats what happenned yesterday
[13:56] <sapphire> although web hits are accelerating.  I'll put up more polls/surveys when and if interest picks up to a certain level
[13:56] <STO_WARRIOR> sapphire, where on the planet are you located?
[13:56] <Motivez> sto
[13:56] <Motivez> if someone wants to find out what chemtrails are
[13:56] <Motivez> they need to rent a helicoptor or something
[13:56] <sapphire> Las Vegas, NV
[13:56] <Motivez> Fly up there with some sort of collection device and fly around all of it
[13:57] <Motivez> take the samples and analyze
[13:57] <STO_WARRIOR> i agree Motivez
[13:57] <STO_WARRIOR> sapphire do you gamble ast the casinos?
[13:57] <Motivez> I really wonder why they haven't done that already..
[13:57] <sapphire> no, I don't gamble...only the casino wins
[13:58] <STO_WARRIOR> some stuff thats made it to the ground has been analyzed
[13:58] <sapphire> you may win once or twice, but time is on the casino's side
[13:58] <STO_WARRIOR> weird stuff in it i hear
[13:58] <STO_WARRIOR> yep
[13:58] <STO_WARRIOR> i would love to learn how to play poker really well
[13:59] <STO_WARRIOR> brb, need to have a smoke
[13:59] <sapphire> poker is simple, the trick is in how the cards fall, and most importantly how you read other players and "bluff" them
[14:00] <Motivez> The trick with casinos is
[14:00] <Motivez> if you win, cash out.
[14:00] <onlainari> u never win enough
[14:00] <Motivez> Put a percentage of what you won back in if you want, but always keep enough so that you come out on top even if that percentage doesn't win any more
[14:00] <sapphire> motivez: yes, but that's the problem.  Once you "win" you believe you can "win" just one more time...
[14:00] <onlainari> of course cash out if u get a big prize
[14:01] <sapphire> gambling appeals and takes advantage of people's greed
[14:01] <sapphire> the more greed you have, the more you will be fleeced of your money
[14:01] <sapphire> i have almost no greed, so I feel no urge to gamble at all
[14:01] <Motivez> Yes.
[14:01] <Motivez> That's why you have to have a plan.
[14:02] <Motivez> I've never gambled in a casion
[14:02] <Motivez> casino
[14:02] <Motivez> But my idea is sound
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[14:03] <sapphire> if you look at the fundamentals, Las Vegas and Wall Street are both feeding off the same psychological mechanism
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[14:03] <sapphire> the two places also parallel each other in terms of growth over time
[14:03] <sapphire> look at the last decade
[14:04] <Oszwaldt> where is zetatalk?
[14:05] <sapphire> the site?
[14:05] <obaway> #zetatalk | www.zetatalk.com
[14:05] <obaway> the session will be on saturday
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[14:07] <STO_WARRIOR> i hate the concept of being a slave to a weekly pay check
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[14:09] <obaway> so oszwaldt, i see you made it back into #troubled_times ... togheter with jade who joined #zetatalk now
[14:09] <obaway> and nah Jerry springer ain't here right now :P
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[14:12] <obaway> and why aren't you saying something ?
[14:12] * obaway is now known as obany
[14:15] <sapphire> what's the deal on jade?  I see a satellite user.
[14:15] <sapphire> but not in this channel
[14:17] <obany> anoying... etc... she hasn't beeon on here for a while ... got g-lined a while back but i think the time expired or so
[14:18] <sapphire> i'll check
[14:18] <obany> but she ain't saying a thing or so at this time
[14:20] <sapphire> obany: you sure its not angelic?
[14:20] <sapphire> playing games...
[14:21] <obany> nah, different host
[14:21] <sapphire> true but coincidence...
[14:22] <obany> and ozwaldt and jade talked to eachother etc.. all of the time.. i recognize the ident of oszwaldt
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[14:26] <monk> Hi
[14:26] <STO_WARRIOR> hello
[14:26] <sapphire> hi, we have a debate going with "jade"
[14:26] <sapphire> in #zetatalk
[14:27] <[3j]> hmm
[14:27] <STO_WARRIOR> candy gram
[14:27] <[3j]> that mothershipton.uk page shows her writing about corn
[14:28] <[3j]> but if she wrote that stuff in early 1500's, she wouldnt know what corn is
[14:28] <[3j]> am i correct that corn wasnt in europe until much later?
[14:28] <sapphire> corn comes from North America
[14:28] <sapphire> native americans grew it
[14:29] <[3j]> thats what I mean
[14:29] <monk> corn makes moonshine :)
[14:32] <sapphire> I don't recall corn mentioned until Mayflower days...
[14:32] <[3j]> mayflower date?
[14:32] <sapphire> you'll have to look it up
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[14:42] <obany> Hello
[14:42] <LPM> hi gerard
[14:42] <obany> pretty crowded for a tuesday
[14:42] <obany> hi LPM
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[14:42] <LPM> how are you?
[14:42] <obany> how r u ?
[14:42] * obany fine
[14:43] <LPM> yes...
[14:43] <obany> a little tired but fine :)
[14:43] <LPM> good
[14:43] <LPM> :)
[14:44] <LPM> unwinding from work...
[14:44] <obany> aha
[14:44] <obany> busy day i guess
[14:44] <LPM> as usual, yes. :)
[14:45] <LPM> it is quiet here...
[14:45] <monk> yes
[14:46] <obany> some talk in #zetatalk ... but it got more crowded during the week also then some time ago
[14:47] <monk> talk about corn :P
[14:47] <LPM> are people talking on #zetatalk all the time also?
[14:47] <monk> not really
[14:47] <LPM> corn?  Monsanto?
[14:47] <monk> Moonshine
[14:47] <LPM> hahaha...  I like that topic!
[14:48] <monk> they talking about the conspiracy of corn i think lol
[14:48] <LPM> my grandfather made moonshine.. wish i had his recipe!
[14:49] <monk> i know a webpage that tells u how
[14:49] <obany> #zetatalk is not realy the discussion channel, this is ... but sometimes people talk there ... and of course on saturday
[14:49] <LPM> monk: do you have the link handy?
[14:49] <monk> http://www.zetatalk.com/food/tfood132.htm
[14:49] <obany> a stron alcholic beverage right?
[14:49] <LPM> obany: does nancy join on saturdays?
[14:49] <LPM> yes..
[14:49] <monk> lpm: yes
[14:49] <LPM> :)
[14:50] <obany> 22:00 UTC ..
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[14:50] <monk> thats like 1400 pacific time 1700 altantic time i believe
[14:51] <LPM> 22:00 on saturdays. yes I read about that...
[14:51] <monk> right ?
[14:51] <sapphire> it is now 1451 pacific time
[14:51] <sapphire> 1500 for ZT in pacific
[14:51] <monk> yea 2:00 on saturday if u live in west coast usa
[14:51] <sapphire> 3:00
[14:52] <LPM> i'm on eastern.
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[14:52] <sapphire> 2:00 when daylight savings activates
[14:52] <sapphire> i wish they would abolish daylight savings time, like in Arizona
[14:53] <LPM> ME TOO!!
[14:53] <monk> same here
[14:53] <LPM> :)
[14:53] <LPM> no, actually abolish non-daylight time
[14:53] <sapphire> it is an artifact from an earlier time, and now is not needed
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[14:53] <LPM> stay on daylight savings time all year... hehehe
[14:54] <obany> :)
[14:54] <LPM> we are having a storm!  I'd better shut down...
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[14:54] <[3j]> sap do you know why AZ doesnt have it/
[14:55] <sapphire> no, ask 3J
[14:55] <sapphire> 3j: why don't you have daylight savings time?
[14:55] <sapphire> you don't know?
[14:55] <sapphire> :)
[14:56] <[3j]> no clue
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[14:56] <reticuli> has anyone seen maxdevlin today?
[14:56] <monk> no
[14:56] <sapphire> no
[14:57] <[3j]> do you ?
[14:57] <[3j]> er n/m
[14:57] <[3j]> i didnt read that
[14:57] <reticuli> i was hoping to...
[14:57] <[3j]> no not you ret
[14:57] <reticuli> :)
[14:57] <sapphire> 3J: I don't know
[14:58] <[3j]> theres a couple of other places that does it too
[14:58] <agentPX> hi folks
[14:58] <agentPX> interesting article if you havent read
[14:58] <agentPX> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/14/214727.shtml
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[14:59] <[3j]> what is it agent
[14:59] <sapphire> yes, i've seen that
[14:59] <monk> i also read it
[14:59] <sapphire> FEMA preparing for big trouble
[14:59] <agentPX> FEMA, the American agency charged with disaster preparedness, is engaged in
[14:59] <agentPX> a crash effort to prepare for multiple mass destruction attacks on U.S.
[14:59] <agentPX> cities -- including the creation of sprawling temporary cities to handle
[14:59] <agentPX> millions of displaced persons.
[14:59] <agentPX> FEMA has been given a deadline of having the cities ready to go by January
[14:59] <agentPX> 2003.
[14:59] <[3j]> oh yea
[14:59] <[3j]> by "John O. Edwards
[15:00] <monk> think this is related to the coming pole shift ?
[15:00] <agentPX> dont know
[15:00] <sapphire> I'm shocked that FEMA, which sucks up tax payer monies, hasn't already had a plan for some time now
[15:00] <sapphire> like decades
[15:00] <reticuli> has anyone listened to an interview with Robert O. Dean?
[15:01] <obany> so it's like FEMA or so expects something in 2003...
[15:01] <reticuli> http://www.broadcast.com/shows/mysteries/archive.html
[15:01] <reticuli> he used to be the head of FEMA
[15:01] <[3j]> i dont know how much truth there is to that story
[15:01] <[3j]> the one on newsmax.com
[15:02] <[3j]> doesnt identify the sources, and mentions that companies are involved but doesnt give any names
[15:03] <obany> well for what i read, newsmax.com is a good site .i also find the article when i looked for it at the moreover.com news page ... with the search for FEMA
[15:04] <agentPX> hehehe
[15:04] <agentPX> http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov/SolarSystem/Planets/
[15:04] <agentPX> planetX is there :D
[15:05] <sapphire> yeah, it says Charon is not a tenth planet because it is gravitationaly bound to Pluto
[15:08] <agentPX> its funny its on the nasa.gov site...
[15:09] <monk> in the kids section
[15:10] <monk> I never got taught about planet x in science
[15:11] <monk> demons and angels around all around me all the time
[15:11] <monk> No one believes me
[15:11] <agentPX> even more funny......
[15:12] <[3j]> planetx was mostly presented as the mission to find another planet, the possibility that a 10th planet existed
[15:12] <agentPX> http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov/Stories/ViewStory.asp?ID=754
[15:12] <agentPX> look at this link
[15:12] <[3j]> what the hell
[15:12] <agentPX> still frim the nasa
[15:12] <[3j]> hehe
[15:12] <monk> wow thats funny
[15:12] <[3j]> says its just a theory..
[15:13] <agentPX> eh
[15:13] <agentPX> well anyway..
[15:13] <obany> and yet they name that Planet in the kid section
[15:13] <obany> NASA
[15:13] <reticuli> that is weird
[15:13] <obany> yes
[15:13] <[3j]> yes it is
[15:13] <agentPX> eh
[15:14] <agentPX> maybe they want to prepare children
[15:14] <agentPX> hehehe
[15:14] <[3j]> june 2003
[15:14] <[3j]> hehe
[15:14] <[3j]> did you hax0r nasa or something
[15:14] <sapphire> if you are preparing young children....then 2012 or later more possible as arrival date
[15:15] <monk> I think nasa knows alot more then were being told
[15:15] <[3j]> damn thats weird
[15:15] <agentPX> anyway we can see PlanetX is on at least 2webpages in the nasa gov. site..
[15:16] <agentPX> imagine the childrens reading this
[15:16] <agentPX> hehehehe
[15:16] <monk> when planet x comes nasa will say we told u about it in the kids section
[15:16] <reticuli> lol
[15:16] <reticuli> "we want the american people that we have been on top of this all along" -nasa
[15:16] <reticuli> ....american people to know....
[15:17] <reticuli> sp
[15:17] <monk> rofl
[15:17] <[3j]> hmm
[15:17] <agentPX> hehehe
[15:17] <[3j]> do a search for "Nibiru" doesnt appear in the kids.nasa.gov search index
[15:18] <onlainari> try ibiru
[15:18] <[3j]> no
[15:18] <[3j]> agent how did you find the page?
[15:18] <onlainari> nope
[15:18] <onlainari> I saw the link earlier too
[15:18] <[3j]> its not written well either
[15:18] <[3j]> instead of Bye its "By"
[15:18] <agentPX> search engine is not working good
[15:19] <agentPX> try searching for planet X you dont find anything
[15:19] <agentPX> while its there
[15:19] <agentPX> http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov/SolarSystem/Planets/
[15:19] <[3j]> "the planet in all the places of order, up to 5th, it might be the biggest current danger to earth cause of it's magnetic powers"    cause instead of because
[15:20] <reticuli> why in the world would Nasa be promoting somethin so fringe?
[15:20] <[3j]> yeah it looks fake to me
[15:20] <sapphire> article is not written well because nasa lets kids write the kids pages
[15:21] <agentPX> yup
[15:21] <agentPX> but i guess its still funny
[15:22] <monk> I dont think a kid could have made the page
[15:22] <agentPX> if i found the link the nasa knows for sue it exist
[15:22] <onlainari> September 25, 2001 <- is that the date it was done?
[15:22] <agentPX> on: probably
[15:22] <monk> it was written by cpt. rob
[15:23] <monk> Sir Captain Rob
[15:23] <monk> Captain of the space shuttle, 2020
[15:23] <[3j]> from 2020
[15:23] <[3j]> hehe
[15:23] <monk> hah
[15:23] <agentPX> i dont think it was fake because if you look at the source of the page, it has the same header and footer
[15:23] <reticuli> M ars, it is a possible evacutation
[15:23] <reticuli> home!
[15:23] <onlainari> hehe
[15:23] <agentPX> and all the pages including this one was made with frontpage4.0
[15:23] <onlainari> weird stuff on that page indeed
[15:24] <[3j]> the pages are autogenerated
[15:24] <onlainari> it might be the biggest current danger to earth cause of it's magnetic powers, which might cause devistation in June 2003, however this is just a theory. <--that is only predictions...the rest are facts ...so it exists at least :>
[15:24] <[3j]> it queries a db, gets the raw story, and outputs in in nice html
[15:25] <reticuli> when I saved the page it titled itself "stories by nasa kids" definitly plausable deniability
[15:25] <[3j]> someone could of "injected" that bs in nasa's kids thing
[15:25] <agentPX> 3j: very doubtful
[15:25] <sapphire> more likely that "kids" are seeing Nancy
[15:25] <sapphire> Nancy's site and Hazelwoods's
[15:25] <reticuli> that would support your contention 3j and sapphy
[15:26] <monk> well its clear the kids know whats going on
[15:26] <monk> they are not dumb
[15:26] <[3j]> then again it could of been nancy who emailed and said im a kid and i want to write!
[15:26] <onlainari> where are the other stories from the kids?
[15:26] <[3j]> hehehe
[15:26] <sapphire> lol
[15:26] <[3j]> weird article
[15:26] <agentPX> 3j: no, to write article for the nasa you have to be in a summer camp
[15:26] <agentPX> (well im almost sure)
[15:27] <agentPX> you cant just ask to write a story like this
[15:27] <[3j]> maybe if your in the club
[15:28] <[3j]> http://nasakids.com/club/login/SignUp.asp
[15:28] <[3j]> weird
[15:30] <monk> gonna be sad that a kid warned about planet x before any offical nasa people :P
[15:32] <Ogmios> what kid?
[15:33] <monk> some kid wrote about the 10th planet
[15:33] <monk> on the kids nasa page
[15:33] <monk> cpt. Rob
[15:33] <agentPX> heehehehe
[15:34] <agentPX> you guys can try to ask Nasa Kids if Px is coming:
[15:34] <agentPX> http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov/WriteUs.asp
[15:34] <agentPX> it would be funny to see the answer..
[15:35] <agentPX> but the answers are written by adult.. so i wont expect to much
[15:35] <agentPX> but anyway
[15:35] <monk> i sent a question
[15:35] <agentPX> hehehe
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[15:37] <obany> hi samsara2003
[15:37] <reticuli> hi samsara
[15:37] <monk> hi samsara
[15:38] <samsara2003> hi
[15:38] <monk> how do i register my name ?
[15:38] <monk> i forgot
[15:39] <samsara2003> folks, the NASA thing is bogus
[15:39] <obany> monk: to nickserv you mean ... ?
[15:39] <monk> yes
[15:39] <samsara2003> The link http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov/Stories/ViewStory.asp?ID=754 points to a story that was submitted - not written by a NASA official
[15:39] <reticuli> I will accept its bogushood when I can make a submission ;)
[15:40] <reticuli> someone outta turn hoagland on to this ;)
[15:40] <samsara2003> devestation is spelled wrong
[15:40] <samsara2003> lol
[15:40] <agentPX> sam: yeah we figured it out, i guess its probably written by a kid
[15:40] <agentPX> sam: how did you know we were talking about this, you just entered the room?
[15:40] <samsara2003> I got excited for a minute there. lol
[15:41] <samsara2003> I'm speaking with the zetas also - they told me
[15:41] <reticuli> ;)
[15:41] <onlainari> http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov/Stories/ViewStory.asp?ID=535
[15:41] <samsara2003> j/k
[15:42] <reticuli> you gave them my first name sam!!!
[15:42] <onlainari> http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov/Stories/ViewStory.asp?ID=298
[15:42] <reticuli> lol
[15:42] <agentPX> hehehe onlainary
[15:43] <agentPX> lots of funny things on this site..
[15:43] <onlainari> yeah :)
[15:43] <agentPX> just the fact that PlanetX is in the "planet of our solar system" is funny..
[15:44] <monk> nasa puts it in the kids section on purpose for the fact people will think its bullsh*t another conspiracy :P
[15:44] <sapphire> monk: oh please, kids are viewing ZT site and Hazlewood
[15:45] <[3j]> wtf
[15:45] <sapphire> they believe right away
[15:45] <monk> im just joking around
[15:45] <[3j]> all electronics in my house just went static
[15:45] <sapphire> then they post in places, like NASA kids site
[15:45] <monk> of course they seen it somewhere else
[15:45] <agentPX> 3j: px is approaching dont be surprise
[15:45] <agentPX> soon your phone will not work anymore :P
[15:45] <sapphire> plus...some kids cartoons tell very similar story to ZT
[15:46] <agentPX> maybe ZT is finally true ?? hahahaha
[15:46] <monk> when i look at zetatalk i believed it first time i seen it
[15:46] <monk> i might just be gullable
[15:47] <sapphire> there was a kids cartoon on Saturday mornings back in late seventies which EXACTLY told PX and ZT scenario
[15:47] <sapphire> can't remember the name
[15:47] <samsara2003> Has anyone ever seen the commercial for the Clarinox
[15:47] <sapphire> but, those kids would now be around 29-34 years old, prime material to resonate with ZT
[15:48] <monk> You think nancy got caught up in the cartoon ? heh
[15:48] <samsara2003> Where Px is visible as the planet that comes after Pluto
[15:48] <agentPX> sapphire; hehe i remembered reading a comic where superheroes had to help earths and its peoples from Px...
[15:48] <sapphire> no, Nancy/Zetas taking advantage of subliminal programing done in late '70s
[15:48] <samsara2003> Clarinex I mean
[15:48] <sapphire> Clandestine organizations could be behind whole ZT site and story
[15:49] <monk> zetatalk is one webpage i have ever seen that makes sense
[15:49] <samsara2003> Which organizations would those be?  New World Order? Freemasons? Illuminati?
[15:49] <sapphire> perhaps COINTELPRO
[15:50] <monk> No human can be that correct about things that zetatalk talks about
[15:50] <samsara2003> Maybe it's a BIG 2003 April fools joke
[15:50] <samsara2003> They just wanted to start 8 years prior
[15:50] <sapphire> Counter intelligence program designed to infiltrate "fringe groups" and take over agenda, to render harmless to USA
[15:50] <obany> i have seen that page and i don't buy it, about cointelpro
[15:50] <monk> APIRIL FOOLS !!! oh sh*t whats that in the sky
[15:51] <agentPX> hahahaha monk
[15:52] <sapphire> ZT could be european program to undermine USA
[15:53] <monk> one thing i seemed to find that zetatalk was wrong was auras they say its blue
[15:53] <monk> but i dont see them as blue
[15:53] <monk> maybe i cant see the spectrum
[15:54] <[3j]> euro program to undermine the usa? lol
[15:54] <[3j]> i dont buy that
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[15:54] <sapphire> why not?  Northern europeans resonate pretty well with extreme left agenda of ZT
[15:54] <sapphire> ever notice how many ZT followers are from Netherlands, Norway etc.
[15:55] <sapphire> a disproportianate amount, to be sure
[15:55] <monk> I like the troubled times webpage
[15:55] <TheViking> Oh--  really?
[15:55] <sapphire> viking: REALLY
[15:55] <sapphire> you know
[15:56] <TheViking> Then the Norwegian transateed page should have been bigger :-)
[15:56] <monk> even if planet x doesn't come ill know how to surive the nwo
[15:56] <TheViking> I've only been around 1 week :-\
[15:57] <TheViking> Sapphire:  Where are you located ?
[15:57] <obany> zetatalk, extreme left ... nah i don't think so sapphire how did you came to that conclusion ?
[15:57] <sapphire> Nancy has a political agenda, and as a result certain regions of the world latch on very quickly
[15:57] <sapphire> GOP is "evil", Bush is "Evil", Gore is "Starchild"
[15:58] <reticuli> hey thats reality pal
[15:58] <monk> hahah
[15:58] <sapphire> USA Kyoto agreement walkout is "evil"
[15:58] <sapphire> many many examples
[15:58] <reticuli> right again
[15:58] <sapphire> sprinkled throughout ZT
[15:58] <TheViking> Well, if PX doesn't come, by 2050 we'll need two plantes to survive anyhow..
[15:59] <Ogmios> only 2?
[15:59] <TheViking> :-)
[15:59] <Ogmios> hehe
[15:59] <reticuli> I would say that letting global warming wreak havoc on the planet is fairly evil saphhy
[15:59] <monk> we can just go underground
[15:59] <sapphire> Nancy by honest definition would qualify as "traitor" by US outlook
[15:59] <monk> who needs another planet we got enough room down there
[16:00] <TheViking> But not enough resources to continue like we are doing.
[16:00] <sapphire> reticuli: Kyoto said that US must take economic penalty, but "developing" nations can do what ever they want
[16:00] <sapphire> hardly a good deal
[16:00] <reticuli> in the current climate I would agree that nancy would be called a traitor, alas we live in "troubled times " with facism on the horizon
[16:01] <monk> shes just telling the turth the zetas gives her
[16:01] <monk> no traitor
[16:01] <TheViking> I like the wourld watch mentioning of 1 egg extra / Chineese/week (think it was week) = all of Australia's \aggriculture land would be needed :-)
[16:01] <monk> zetatalk isn't her words right ? but the zetas
[16:01] <monk> so the zetas are anti america
[16:01] <sapphire> "Truth"?  A lot of ZT is outright lie
[16:01] <TheViking> So if in doubt, you just need to take THE CALL :-)
[16:02] <sapphire> lol
[16:02] <monk> ok whats one thing the ZT is a lie
[16:02] <sapphire> Entire PX story is a lie
[16:02] <reticuli> saphhy, the developed nations have industrialized themselves on the back of the poor countries through the mechainisms of colnialism and finance capitalisn,. Since we have caused most of the pollution and wealthy enough to mitigate our pollution then I would say that is more than fair
[16:02] <monk> anything else sapphire u think is a lie ?
[16:03] <TheViking> Doen't matter now.  Wall Street will fix the mess.
[16:03] <sapphire> Nancy is american citizen.  But condemns america.  what does that make her?
[16:03] <reticuli> a true american
[16:03] <sapphire> hahaha
[16:03] <TheViking> If nobody cries Wolf...  then...
[16:03] <monk> I hate america myself
[16:03] <reticuli> I am very patriotic but am very critical of the state
[16:03] <sapphire> monk: look at the science section.
[16:04] <TheViking> Sapp:  what to look for?
[16:04] <sapphire> monk: red light bends more than other light into atmosphere
[16:04] <sapphire> monk: moon does not rotate
[16:04] <TheViking> Moon rotates!
[16:04] <monk> how do u know sapphire
[16:04] <sapphire> monk:  Chandra Levy is wandering the streets of Mexico
[16:04] <agentPX> monk: why can nancy ask the zetas about things, but she cant ask them about coords for PX ?
[16:04] <monk> have u ever been on the moon?
[16:05] <reticuli> Its troubling to me sapphire that you believe that americans cannot be critical of their govt. Is that not what America is all about ?
[16:05] <onlainari> who are the zetas?
[16:05] <agentPX> on: aliens speaking with nancy
[16:05] <sapphire> It was Nancy who stated in ZT that the moon does not rotate!
[16:05] <onlainari> no one knows who they are?
[16:05] <TheViking> Zeta= the "little good guy" within ourselves :-)
[16:06] <monk> sapphire: chandra levy's body was found in a park they went over already .. i dont think they found her yet
[16:06] <reticuli> Saphhy, dont you think that its important in a free society to question authority?
[16:06] <sapphire> they have her remains, she's been there for months and months...not wandering streets of Mexico
[16:07] <sapphire> reticuli: question authority, or perhaps accuse of plotting to gas women and children?
[16:07] <monk> dont u think they would of found her remains there the first time they looked ?
[16:07] <reticuli> I would rather deal with "lefty" zetas than nazi bushes
[16:07] <reticuli> sapphy, the govt has perpetrated all sorts of atrocities on Us citizens
[16:08] <reticuli> its historical fact
[16:08] <sapphire> I didn't vote for Bush, but I couldn't side with someone who advocated the elimination of human race and replacement with genetic freaks
[16:08] <TheViking> I think it's unfortunate to focus too much on some messy "patriotic details".... look at the big message...
[16:09] <reticuli> so you dont support bush either?
[16:09] <TheViking> Because if PX shows up...  ZT has been a big message
[16:09] <TheViking> And we're all in "deep shit"
[16:09] <obany> genetic freak, ... i disagree with you if you mean the hybrids ...
[16:10] <sapphire> Here's the deal, you have "aliens" saying "look how evil your leaders are".  But, does that make them any less evil?  This is a powerplay by a race you don't even know.
[16:10] <sapphire> very dangerous
[16:10] <reticuli> I know them well enough
[16:10] <sapphire> CIA does the same tactics in 3rd world countries
[16:10] <agentPX> obany: its funny how the discussion  is sooo different when Pott,Angelic,etc are not there hehehe
[16:10] <reticuli> hehe
[16:11] <monk> Theres so much we dont know how life works
[16:11] <sapphire> agentpx: ?
[16:12] <obany> agentpx: it seems so yes
[16:16] <monk> im very skeptical with people who dont believe in planet x
[16:17] <reticuli> I agree with you sapphy about the zetas having a perspective that does not gel with the republican party... However i dont see how that makes the zetas a threat
[16:17] <reticuli> unless you are a republican :)
[16:17] <monk> I think the zetas see the world different then us and thats why u think they are wrong but actually they are right
[16:18] <sapphire> i'm not republican, however, America is not a single political party.  Most people are in the "middle"
[16:18] <reticuli> America really does not have "parties"
[16:18] <sapphire> yes, 2 parties
[16:19] <sapphire> if you don't think so, trust me, they HATE each other
[16:19] <reticuli> nah, those are just the organizations which collect money from special intersts
[16:19] <sapphire> Nancy is democrat to the EXTREME
[16:19] <reticuli> People hate each other cuz they are idiots
[16:19] <monk> I love bush but hes still evil
[16:19] <sapphire> She's pissed off because Gore got more votes than Bush, but Bush still wound up being president
[16:19] <reticuli> they watch too much tv and believe the propaganda they are fed
[16:20] <TheViking> But startes ZT long before  Gore/Bush
[16:20] <sapphire> Bush is probably the right man at the right time.  "evil" enought to deal with Bin Laden and company
[16:20] <reticuli> lol, he works with them
[16:21] <sapphire> viking:  yes, and Nancy didn't utter a single bad word about Clinton/Gore
[16:21] <reticuli> daddy bush manages the bin laden funds at the carlyle group
[16:21] <sapphire> She is hard core democrat
[16:21] <obany> 1995... theviking , wich is before Gore/Bush
[16:21] <reticuli> so what
[16:21] <sapphire> and very angry over election 2000
[16:21] <reticuli> ok
[16:21] <sapphire> and this has coloured ZT and undermind it
[16:21] <TheViking> But had Bin Ladin & co. had any business had the World business been more in the spirit of ZT?
[16:22] <reticuli> there would have been no 9/11 if the bush junta had not been installed by the supreme court
[16:22] <sapphire> Bin Laden was striking American interests all during Clinton administration--YET Nancy made not a single mention of it
[16:22] <sapphire> it didn't serve her extreme left Democrat agenda
[16:23] <reticuli> Would have been to risky for bush/bin laden cartel to attack under a democratic administration
[16:23] <monk> bin laden isn't the problem
[16:23] <sapphire> problem here is ZT
[16:23] <reticuli> bin laden is a bush operative
[16:23] <TheViking> Yes,  but had the WORLD BUSINESS....  US, Europe, Asia etc. been more in the spirit of ZT, I don't think Bin Ladin would have had a chance
[16:24] <obany> hey i go .... 1:24am
[16:24] <obany> bye
[16:24] <monk> sapphire: I think your in denial
[16:24] <reticuli> later
[16:24] <sapphire> viking: that's my point...ZT interests and USA interests (world business) are against each other
[16:24] <monk> bye obany
[16:24] <reticuli> sapphire, what you call USA interests have nothing to do with the real intersts of americans
[16:24] <TheViking> Yes, but US and European business is against the world.  physically....   just wouldn't last in the long run.
[16:25] <TheViking> We'll kill ourselves.
[16:25] <sapphire> monk: no denial.  I actually listend to ZT, until they entered into politics after 911
[16:25] <sapphire> then i realized somebody has to fight this bullshit
[16:25] <reticuli> lol, why are you so worried about the zetas sapphy, we will kill ourselves off soon enough following USA interests, if you were right then the zetas would be big bush backers
[16:25] <sapphire> i have also encountered "zetas" before
[16:26] <monk> explain sapphire
[16:26] <sapphire> Zetas are a "real" threat.  Not just made up by Nancy.
[16:26] <reticuli> we are enough of a threat to ourselves
[16:27] <sapphire> "zetas" have been around for long long time.  They seek to manipulate human affairs.  And, they don't have quite the technological powers they claim
[16:27] <obany> sapphire: that's how you see it... i don't see it that way
[16:28] <obany> and now i realy go
[16:28] <obany> bye
[16:28] <reticuli> then why not suppport the people who are hastening our demise?
[16:28] <sapphire> by obany
[16:28] <sapphire> by=bye
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[16:28] <sapphire> our "demise" is not certain.  That is the wish of the zetas.
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[16:29] <reticuli> it is certain if we continue to follow the path we are on
[16:29] <reticuli> and bush wants to keep it that way
[16:29] <monk> if the zetas hate us so much why dont they just blow up earth
[16:29] <sapphire> Zetas want humans gone, like the English/Spanish colonists wanted Native Americans gone
[16:29] <reticuli> why?
[16:29] <sapphire> resources...exact resources unknown
[16:29] <monk> they can kill us
[16:30] <monk> why dont they do it if they want the recources
[16:30] <sapphire> monk: remember that zetas cannot physically manifest at this time
[16:30] <reticuli> ok, so your idea is based solely on speculation
[16:31] <sapphire> no, I have met this before
[16:31] <sapphire> reticuli: i think we had this discussion
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[16:32] <reticuli> Yes, we did, I just did not remeber exactly what you thought their motives were
[16:33] <sapphire> motives: they need something from us.  I don't know what that is yet.
[16:33] <Motivez> ..?
[16:33] <TheViking> Well...  PX is two days short of our national holliday, constitution day..  so perhaps we get "to go" all dressed up :-)
[16:33] <sapphire> lol...not you
[16:33] <reticuli> well maybe they are dependent on us, maybe we have the same interests, I mean if they need something from us then why kill us off
[16:34] <sapphire> i didn't say they needed to kill us off
[16:34] <monk> maybe because we are their brothers and they care about us
[16:34] <sapphire> they will do just what it takes, nothing more
[16:35] <reticuli> ok
[16:35] <sapphire> when I said "want us gone" I meant that they just want us out of their way
[16:35] <monk> just if one of your family members were in trouble u would try to help them
[16:36] <sapphire> monk: we don't know that we are related to them...other than their words
[16:37] <onlainari> are u really talking about aliens here
[16:37] <monk> well i meant that were all god children
[16:37] <monk> were all part of god
[16:37] <monk> we need each other
[16:37] <monk> work as one with the zetas
[16:37] <monk> for a better cause
[16:38] <sapphire> yes, but Israelis and Palestinians are of the same god (they both agree to this) but they hate each other
[16:38] <sapphire> in other words, it doesn't matter
[16:38] <monk> they hate each other because of their leaders
[16:39] <TheViking> Because the both adapt to "an eye for an eye"
[16:39] <sapphire> people on "the street" hate each other, not just the leaders
[16:39] <TheViking> Because too much desire to have what the other guy's got!
[16:40] <monk> sharon tells them to go kill the arabs they obey
[16:40] <sapphire> my point is: if Zetas want to be our "friends" they would not keep themselves secret
[16:40] <TheViking> And not enough sharing
[16:40] <monk> well they cant interfer
[16:40] <reticuli> see ya all later
[16:40] <reticuli> bye saphhy
[16:40] <sapphire> secret implies an hidden agenda
[16:40] <sapphire> bye
[16:40] <monk> If they whole world seem some aliens coming from space there would be chaos
[16:41] <TheViking> We'll have to tell GOD he's got a secret agenda for not telling us what it's all about :-)
[16:41] <sapphire> depends upon what people saw
[16:41] <monk> like nancy said before pat roberson said anyone who says they see aliens should be stoned
[16:42] <sapphire> Zetas claim they've studied our cultures for centuries and more, so why wouldn't they know the easiest way to break the news to us?
[16:42] <monk> when u try to talk with people about aliens they think your crazy
[16:42] <TheViking> Because they konw we can't handle it :-)
[16:42] <onlainari> well...aliens related to niburu is too much for me
[16:43] <sapphire> Native Americans "handled" and learned to bargain with Europeans (who looked very alien to them)
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[16:43] <monk> some people might think its satan infulencing people
[16:44] <TheViking> Well---  night all!
[16:44] <sapphire> night
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[16:44] <monk> sapphire: Do you think it is possible to predict the future?
[16:44] <TheViking> Remember to book a visit to Norwegian mountains next may :-)
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[16:45] <onlainari> why norwegian mountains?-)
[16:46] <sapphire> monk: i don't know about "predict" but I know that if you have enough computational power applied to current variables you can get pretty close
[16:46] <sapphire> that's what the "zetas" really do
[16:47] <monk> well i sometimes see the future in my dreams
[16:48] <monk> when i do things its like i already knew about it
[16:48] <onlainari> when this zetatalk.com was published ?
[16:49] <monk> ?
[16:49] <onlainari> when they started
[16:50] <sapphire> 1995
[16:50] <onlainari> since that they have believed it's may 2003 ?
[16:51] <monk> I think so not sure i found zetatalk a week ago
[16:51] <sapphire> yes, May 15, 2003 is the date
[16:51] <sapphire> been the same since 1995
[16:51] <onlainari> I found it last sunday heh
[16:51] <onlainari> sapphire,u have been aware of this since 95?
[16:52] <sapphire> i found it in September 1995
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[16:53] <monk> im pretty sure i looked at the site before but i just dont remember
[16:53] <onlainari> sapphire, have they kept their promises?
[16:54] <sapphire> promises?
[16:54] <onlainari> heh
[16:54] <monk> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword232.htm
[16:54] <onlainari> have their predictions etc been right
[16:54] <monk> check the url
[16:54] <onlainari> not so trustworthy anymore? they said mid02 somewhere
[16:55] <onlainari> they didn't mention anything bout twin towers did they?
[16:55] <sapphire> most of their "predictions" have been general enough that you could see them as "right" if you wanted to
[16:55] <onlainari> yeah
[16:55] <sapphire> but, some of them have been completely false
[16:56] <monk> ok whats on that is false
[16:56] <monk> one
[16:56] <sapphire> Hale-Bopp comet was false, but twisted later in ZT to look right
[16:56] <monk> any other false ones?
[16:57] <sapphire> ZT originally said PX was visible at magnitude 2, but then changed to 10, then 11, then 20.  Now, silence
[16:57] <monk> you must know alot about it since u been here for 7 years
[16:57] <sapphire> So, if PX is getting closer magnitude should not be decreasing
[16:57] <sapphire> Nancy is back-peddling to keep the lie going as long as possible
[16:58] <onlainari> so it can't be magn. 20 anymore ?
[16:58] <onlainari> it's even darker?
[16:58] <monk> I dont know why nancy would do this if it wasn't true
[16:58] <sapphire> she says PX won't be viewable until late fall but originally she told everyone to look in 2001, then summer 2002
[16:58] <onlainari> pretty sick to try to prove things
[16:58] <onlainari> if she knows it's all just guessing
[16:59] <onlainari> anyone know any background of her
[17:00] <onlainari> how old and what she do for job
[17:00] <sapphire> it is obvious, except for "believers", that PX does not exist and will not come in 2003
[17:00] <sapphire> http://www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html
[17:01] <monk> http://www.skepticalmind.com/nancy.html
[17:01] <sapphire> yes
[17:02] <monk> sapphire: what if u do see planet x this fall
[17:02] <monk> what will u do
[17:02] <sapphire> hypothetically, I would pack my stuff and move to Alberta, CA
[17:03] <monk> good
[17:04] <monk> but if u do see it wouldn't it just be the zetas illusion
[17:04] <monk> they just make a illusion of it
[17:04] <monk> so everyone can see it
[17:04] <onlainari> haha
[17:04] <onlainari> interesting
[17:05] <sapphire> yes, it would depend on exactly what i see
[17:05] <monk> kinda like wag the dog
[17:05] <onlainari> maybe nancy makes the pages only by herself....she has lotsa time if she's retired
[17:05] <monk> where they film the fake war
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[17:05] <onlainari> n she has a good imagination
[17:06] <sapphire> but, here is a question.  If I am wrong and my site is all wrong, why can't the zetas take it down?
[17:06] <onlainari> what site?
[17:06] <sapphire> www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html
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[17:07] <onlainari> oh it's your page,good work...it's nice
[17:07] <sapphire> thanks
[17:07] <monk> yea i like it to
[17:07] <sapphire> i'm trying to stop new "believers" from being recruited
[17:08] <sapphire> it seems to be working
[17:09] <monk> who have u saved ?
[17:09] <Motivez> We'll save you monk
[17:09] <Motivez> FD, np.
[17:10] <Motivez> http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html
[17:11] <Ogmios> i dont wanna live on this planet much longer if nothing is gonna change
[17:11] <sapphire> yes, that's a good site
[17:11] <monk> Mr. Hazlewood is the conartist :(
[17:12] <Motivez> monk, read that site.
[17:12] <Ogmios> sick and tired :(
[17:12] <Motivez> ogmios
[17:12] <Motivez> Sorry, but, you'll have to
[17:12] <sapphire> hazlewood took everything from Nancy
[17:12] <Motivez> planet x isn't coming
[17:12] <Motivez> :P
[17:14] <sapphire> PX is not coming.  There is still time to mitigate the suicides,etc.
[17:14] <monk> Im not gonna comit suicide
[17:14] <monk> I wanna live through it
[17:14] <monk> troubled Times and zetatalk will help me
[17:15] <sapphire> monk: your not one of the believers, obany will be most in danger
[17:15] <sapphire> and those like him
[17:16] <sapphire> monk is on "the fence" so to speak
[17:17] <monk> I believe planet x and a pole shift will happen in 2003
[17:17] <sapphire> monk: and if it doesn't happen?
[17:17] <Ogmios> i accept that zt has errors but it cant be all wrong
[17:18] <Ogmios> weather is too wierd
[17:18] <Ogmios> even in here
[17:18] <Ogmios> finland
[17:18] <sapphire> monk: if it doesn't happen?
[17:18] <monk> if it doesn't happen then were screwed anyways if the way we live continues
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[17:19] <Ogmios> ww3 then
[17:19] <sapphire> monk: you used word "if".  Obany won't even acknowledge such a hypothetical situation.  So, you will be fine.
[17:19] <Ogmios> life will end on this planet
[17:19] <onlainari> Ogmios really? I haven't seen so much changes in the weather
[17:19] <Ogmios> i am
[17:20] <monk> But I know it will happen
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[17:21] <sapphire> monk: you'll be fine
[17:21] <onlainari> what did she say about september? then they should see it easily with the telescope
[17:21] <onlainari> ?
[17:22] <monk> Im still going in the mountains
[17:22] <monk> Im gonna sell all my stuff and buy supplies
[17:22] <Motivez> .....
[17:22] <sapphire> September will come and pass, the she will have a different story to tell you...
[17:22] <Motivez> monk
[17:22] <Motivez> seriously, dont.
[17:22] <onlainari> you don't need to, you will see the planet 1,5 months before it's here,so u plenty of time monk
[17:22] <Motivez> If you're rich, buy the supplies
[17:22] <Motivez> Dont give up all your posessions
[17:22] <Motivez> Jesus christ
[17:22] <Motivez> Look at that site
[17:22] <Angelic> onlainari: Nancy said she will post the new coordinates not untill september, and best viewing will be around december
[17:23] <Motivez> The thing would be about as far away as Jupiter is now
[17:23] <Motivez> where is it?
[17:23] <Motivez> nowhere.
[17:23] <sapphire> monk is bullshiting us
[17:23] <monk> well im not rich
[17:23] <agentPX> angelic: nancy didnt said best viewing will be around april 2003 ? :)
[17:24] <Motivez> haha
[17:24] <Motivez> angelic
[17:24] <Motivez> its funny though
[17:24] <Motivez> We were supposed to be able to see this in mid 2002
[17:24] <Motivez> actually we were able to see this in '97 when it was mag 2.0
[17:24] <Motivez> .....
[17:24] <monk> we cAnt see it because of the sun right >
[17:24] <Angelic> yes, the zetas seemed to have forgotten to mention it would be behind the sun in mid-2002
[17:25] <Motivez> monk
[17:25] <Motivez> The coordinates of where it's supposed to be
[17:25] <Motivez> are high in the horison
[17:25] <Motivez> away from the light pollution for the most part
[17:25] <sapphire> yes, MAG 2.0.  And then the "back-peddling"
[17:25] <Motivez> It's just an excuse to delay the sighting
[17:25] <Motivez> Look on the site
[17:25] <Motivez> Search for "high in the horizon" and "low in the horizon"
[17:25] <Motivez> apparently, when it's in both, that's when it's easiest to see.
[17:26] <Angelic> it can now be seen only from the southern hemisphere just before dawn
[17:26] <sapphire> i have to go to bed....bye
[17:26] <onlainari> so is there any others that zeta and nancy predicting and "knowing" this ? except those ancient fellows
[17:26] <monk> good night
[17:26] <Motivez> "it" as in the area of empty space where planet-x would be if it existed :)
[17:27] <agentPX> <Angelic> it can now be seen only from the southern hemisphere just before dawn >   Have you seen it ? :P
[17:27] <Angelic> the ancient astronaut myth is very cliche
[17:27] <Motivez> angelic finally saw the light !
[17:27] <Motivez> as in, isn't a total believer anymore :D
[17:27] <monk> well the mayans were very good at astromany'
[17:27] <Angelic> I am not in the mood
[17:28] <Motivez> monk, regardless, what they dubbed as a planet could have easily been something else
[17:28] <Motivez> http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html
[17:28] <Motivez> Read that
[17:28] <Motivez> The whole page
[17:28] <onlainari> you got BBC world ?
[17:28] <monk> i already have
[17:28] <onlainari> tv channel
[17:29] <monk> i do
[17:29] <onlainari> see it
[17:29] <onlainari> now
[17:29] <onlainari> they have some stuff about global warming :>
[17:29] <monk> ground force?
[17:29] <onlainari> scientist speaks
[17:29] <monk> err thats bbc america
[17:29] <onlainari> british channel
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[17:30] <onlainari> nothing special.. :(
[17:30] <onlainari> hehe
[17:30] <SnookPoon> sapphire: you still here?
[17:31] <monk> i guess i dont get it
[17:33] <SnookPoon> I'm just catching up...did I read that sapphire had some sort of contact with the Zetas in the past or was that just my imagination
[17:33] <monk> i think she was joking around
[17:33] <SnookPoon> OK...
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[17:34] <agentPX> hey mathew
[17:34] <Angelic> monk sapphire is a man
[17:34] <ancalag0n> hey =D
[17:35] <onlainari> why zetas skipped that one chat here?
[17:35] <onlainari> june 15 2002
[17:35] <ancalag0n> frown
[17:35] <ancalag0n> missed this weeks irc session
[17:35] <ancalag0n> anything new?
[17:37] <agentPX> the zetas are watching us
[17:37] <SnookPoon> There's still no log on zetatalk from last Saturday
[17:37] <Angelic> agentPX likes to speculate
[17:38] <ancalag0n> snook its up
[17:38] <agentPX> angelic whats wrong with you today
[17:38] <SnookPoon> Yep... your right I goofed!
[17:38] <Angelic> oh you did not mean what you said then?
[17:39] <ancalag0n> np snook =P
[17:39] <agentPX> nevermind... you just dont seem the same angelic i knew before..
[17:39] <Angelic> you knew me?
[17:39] <Angelic> lol
[17:39] <agentPX> hmmm
[17:39] <ancalag0n> lol
[17:39] <agentPX> whatever
[17:39] <agentPX> gtg bye all
[17:39] <Angelic> like you think you know others?
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[17:39] <Angelic> yeah run forest5 run
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[17:40] <Angelic> and another one
[17:40] <ancalag0n> so
[17:40] <ancalag0n> when are we supposed to be able to view px in the night sky?
[17:42] <Angelic> some people only like someone else if that person's sharpness supports their thoughts, the other person is seen as most objective, funny and great, but once the sharpness is objectively pointed at them they don't like the other .. simpletons in here sometimes
[17:42] <Angelic> most people still have to learn that liking somebody because their view supports theirs has a egoistical basis
[17:43] <ancalag0n> AMEN
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[17:43] <Angelic> lol
[17:43] <Angelic> stupid questions, read the sight
[17:43] <Angelic> sigh-t
[17:44] <monk> right on angelic
[17:45] <Angelic> I'm off to bed - log-on
[17:45] <Angelic> ciao
[17:46] <monk> bye
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[17:55] <monk> hi medfield
[17:56] <medfield> hi
[17:57] <monk> do you believe in planet x ?
[17:58] <medfield> sure
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[18:00] <butch> hello
[18:00] <monk> hi
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[18:22] <djtrypt> whats up
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[18:48] * onlainari don't believe in planet x
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[19:05] <Reticulian> hi
[19:07] <onlainari> hi
[19:08] <Reticulian> what about nancyl?
[19:08] <Reticulian> was she here?
[19:08] <onlainari> today,nope.
[19:10] <Reticulian> oh ok
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[20:47] <monk> hi dj
[20:50] <djtrypt> hey monk whats uup
[20:50] <djtrypt> i cnat talk too long
[20:50] <djtrypt> im going out to my club to hear two of my friends tag team on the decks
[20:50] <monk> just checking out troubled times webpage
[20:50] <monk> c00
[20:50] <monk> they any good ?
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[21:09] <MaxDevlin> Killer Astroid on its way to impact Earth 2019. Headlines BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm
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[21:49] <SnookPoon> WoW!!!!!!
[21:52] <monk> ?
[21:57] <SnookPoon> Hey monk
[21:58] <SnookPoon> I know your not invested in the markets but what happened today just makes your jaw drop to the floor even though I knew it was coming
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[21:59] <monk> its just gonna get worst
[21:59] <medfield> get high
[21:59] <medfield> get laid
[21:59] <medfield> have fun
[21:59] <SnookPoon> It just makes me sad for all the people that are going to get hurt
[21:59] <medfield> get some sun
[22:00] <SnookPoon> from job loss
[22:00] <SnookPoon> from retiremnt savings loss
[22:00] <medfield> forget about the money man
[22:01] <medfield> the money doesnt matter
[22:01] <medfield> by then you just wanna stay alive
[22:01] <SnookPoon> No I'm not talking about the pole shift
[22:01] <SnookPoon> I'm talking about our financial instutions
[22:02] <medfield> financial insgtitistuions for what
[22:02] <medfield> and when
[22:02] <medfield> and why
[22:03] <medfield> im lost
[22:03] <SnookPoon> When you get a major bank like city group assisting companies cook their books
[22:03] <SnookPoon> that's bad
[22:03] <SnookPoon> bad
[22:03] <medfield> but im a good arguement or we can just itt leav that
[22:03] <SnookPoon> from bad to worse
[22:03] <medfield> cook their books?
[22:04] <SnookPoon> Yeah you have Enron, Worldcom
[22:04] <SnookPoon> OK, I'll give the details
[22:05] <SnookPoon> City Group made huge loans to Enron via a shell company
[22:05] <SnookPoon> Shell company = fake company
[22:05] <SnookPoon> well it's real but no value
[22:06] <SnookPoon> just apiece of paper saying it's acompany
[22:06] <medfield> ok so
[22:06] <medfield> they moved money
[22:06] <medfield> big deal
[22:06] <SnookPoon> So the cash goes from the bank to the shell right?
[22:06] <medfield> let them have it their gready
[22:06] <SnookPoon> then the shell gives the cash to Enron
[22:07] <SnookPoon> City group puts the loan on the books as a asset and knows the money is going to Enron
[22:07] <monk> greedy bastards
[22:08] <SnookPoon> Enron then takes the money or loan from the shell company and then accounts for it as trading revenue
[22:08] <medfield> I dont lose any sleep
[22:08] <SnookPoon> In reality it's a loan from City Group and they both are in on the deal and know it
[22:09] <monk> they love it when the loans are never paid off
[22:09] <SnookPoon> You should
[22:09] <SnookPoon> This is just the tip of the ICE BURG
[22:09] <monk> I got bigger problems then the banks and stuff
[22:09] <SnookPoon> The problem is that there are many other companies out there right now that all the major banks have done this with
[22:10] <monk> How im gonna surive  the coming earth changes
[22:10] <SnookPoon> It's a house of cards
[22:10] <SnookPoon> It will all come out
[22:10] <monk> I hope money becomes just paper
[22:10] <SnookPoon> It will real quick
[22:10] <SnookPoon> buy GOLD
[22:10] <[3j]> lol
[22:11] <[3j]> what you gona do with gold in the streets
[22:11] <[3j]> its heavy for one
[22:11] <SnookPoon> trade your dollars in for gold coins and silver coins
[22:11] <monk> buy food shelter cloths car
[22:11] <[3j]> most people dont have gold laying around there homes asides from jewelry..
[22:11] <SnookPoon> Gold is a currency just like the dollar
[22:11] <monk> I dont think gold would be worth that much
[22:11] <SnookPoon> They do now
[22:12] <[3j]> not really
[22:12] <SnookPoon> They are buying it like crazy
[22:12] <monk> whats the use for gold ?
[22:12] <[3j]> represents wealth
[22:12] <[3j]> the truth is though when the shit hits the fan
[22:12] <SnookPoon> In Japan a few months ago the house wifes were coming into the gold stores and loading up
[22:13] <monk> id rather have food then a pound of gold
[22:13] <[3j]> and say money doesnt exist anymore or has no value.. i dont see how police / military will be able to hold control for long
[22:13] <[3j]> gold would eventually be worthless compared to a bar of soap
[22:13] <SnookPoon> Gold is both a commodity and a currency
[22:14] <[3j]> snook, but if US currency has 0 value, you really think gold coins will replace it ?
[22:14] <[3j]> go to local pharmacy with your purse of gold/silver coins?
[22:14] <medfield> wow
[22:14] <medfield> im high
[22:14] <SnookPoon> Gold will never be worthless unless PX is made of gold and it hits the aeth and then gold is no longer a preciuos metal
[22:14] <SnookPoon> earth
[22:15] <SnookPoon> They will accept it
[22:15] <[3j]> but whats someone going to do with gold?
[22:15] <SnookPoon> All Silver dollars back before I think 1964 were silver
[22:15] <monk> exactly no use for gold
[22:15] <[3j]> wasnt that quarters?
[22:15] <SnookPoon> What do you do with dollars
[22:16] <[3j]> monk, gold is very good conductor
[22:16] <SnookPoon> No, Silver dollars
[22:16] <[3j]> very easy to work with too
[22:16] <SnookPoon> Not if dollars are worthless
[22:16] <SnookPoon> If I take a confederate dollar to the pharmacey and try to spend it what happens?
[22:17] <monk> what ?
[22:17] <SnookPoon> Nothing...because it's worthless
[22:17] <monk> isn't it rare?
[22:18] <SnookPoon> It used to be woth something but the US goverment doesn't recognize it as acurrency any longer
[22:18] <SnookPoon> worth
[22:18] <SnookPoon> No
[22:18] <monk> collectable
[22:19] <[3j]> yeah, but not all pharmacies have collectors at the cashier
[22:19] <SnookPoon> People have boxes full of it hpoing it will become a collectors item one day
[22:19] <SnookPoon> Toke up!!
[22:19] <[3j]> gold just isnt practical
[22:20] <monk> well i gotta goto sleep im gonna wake up early and take a run in the mourning
[22:20] <[3j]> and for it to have worth it has to be recognized as a symbol of value
[22:20] <SnookPoon> me too
[22:20] <monk> cya later
[22:20] <SnookPoon> see ya
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[22:20] <[3j]> cya later monk
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[23:14] <Sparky> anyone awake here?
[23:17] <sapphire> awake but busy...
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[23:19] <sapphire> finding something to eat...
[23:43] <sapphire> i noticed there haven't been many new people around...maybe the movement is running out of steam
[23:48] <Nancy_Lieder_For_President> nah, it takes a special person to be a zetatalk follower.
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