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[03:53] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
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[03:54] <obany> there goes chanserv ooh well :P he will return i guess
[03:59] <obany> brb
[04:29] <obany> http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/07/24/turkey.floods/index.html flood in Turkey/Ankara
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[05:55] <obany> mmm heat in Moskou, problems in a part of Turkey floods in Venezuela ... hailstones in China
[05:55] <obany> what comes next :/
[06:24] <obany> bbl
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[07:11] <onlainari> 17:09:51 Sathy» there was stuff about that meteor in the news
[07:11] <onlainari> 17:09:55 Sathy» in the REAL news
[07:11] <onlainari> 17:10:00 SveinR» niburi??
[07:11] <onlainari> 17:10:03 onlainari» when and what?-D
[07:11] <onlainari> 17:10:05 Sathy» and on bbc site also
[07:11] <onlainari> 17:10:11 Sathy» 9 minutes ago
[07:13] <onlainari> 17:10:56 Sathy» at the moment it's predicted that if it'll collide, the year is most likely 2019
[07:15] <onlainari> HELLO
[07:15] <onlainari> see this link
[07:15] <onlainari> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm
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[07:31] <obany> I have seen it on TV and it's not about Nibiru
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[07:32] <TheViking> Hello all
[07:32] <obany> have you seen this http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/07/24/turkey.floods/index.html  and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/581579.stm
[07:32] <obany> anyway i have to go
[07:32] <obany> will return later, to a job now and then to a friend of mine
[07:33] <TheViking> Have you read about asteroid NT7?
[07:33] <obany> so i will be back, after 4 hours
[07:33] <obany> Yes and seen it on TV
[07:33] <obany> it's not Nibiru or Planet X
[07:33] <TheViking> CU
[07:33] <TheViking> Well, it's a big boom anyhow :-)
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[07:34] <obaway> ik now the viking but it's not sure yet as they say if it will hit
[07:34] <obaway> okay bye
[07:36] <onlainari> http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/ nasa talks about it
[07:38] <onlainari> I was at turkey during some floods in marmaris...3 ppl died when the lighting stroke the water that was filled up the streets..bout 30-50cm everywhere
[07:39] <TheViking> Deep fried "Turkey"?
[07:40] <onlainari> heh
[07:41] <TheViking> Sorry for joking about something so serious :-)
[07:41] <onlainari> it's ok
[07:41] <TheViking> The Colonel just moved from chicken to ..T.... :-\
[07:42] <TheViking> onlainari:  From Finland?
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[07:43] <onlainari> ja det er jeg
[07:43] <TheViking> :-)  vært lenge på TT og ZT
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[07:44] <onlainari> what?-)
[07:44] <onlainari> I don't speak sleskt norwegian language :)
[07:44] <TheViking> Been long at TT and ZT?
[07:45] <onlainari> aah..I should have guessed..I didn't get u meant these channels
[07:45] <onlainari> nope, 3-4days :)
[07:45] <TheViking> brb phone
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[07:58] <monk> hi
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[08:03] <loitus> I heard Nancy was quite believably debunked on Art Bell last night...
[08:04] <loitus> http://www.rense.com/general27/x.htm
[08:05] <monk> heh
[08:05] <monk> hes the bad astromnor
[08:05] <monk> he didn't debunk nothing
[08:06] <loitus> He seemed to take all the information that Nancy had put out there and simulated if it was real, and if it was then PX would be in Jupiters orbit currently and be brighter than Venus...
[08:07] <monk> how can u simulate the px course
[08:08] <monk> he doesn't know the laws of space out there
[08:09] <monk> he made good points
[08:09] <monk> but didn't debunk px
[08:09] <loitus> His arguments are viable. The fact that she has frequently changed her website and predicitons due to incorrectness.
[08:10] <loitus> http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html
[08:10] <monk> i already read all that
[08:10] <loitus> I was a neutral person when it came to PX's reality, but this has convinced me at least that she is wrong.
[08:12] <monk> im still a believer
[08:13] <loitus> To be a believer is amusing, because you demand no proof - in any form to believe, for there has been none. I'd surely never believe anything until there is proof.
[08:13] <loitus> This is why I was neutral.
[08:14] <monk> I believe because of what i have read on the webpage
[08:14] <monk> what the zeta say about life and how things works make total sense to me
[08:14] <loitus> Until I read this mans account and see that his science is appropiate. We'd see it by now, it would be in our solar system by now, it's not. Therefore it's a lie.
[08:14] <loitus> Something making sense and something being true are 2 different things.
[08:15] <monk> science doesn't explain alot
[08:15] <monk> if u believe everything science says then you got something coming to you
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[08:16] <loitus> I believe in concrete prrof, not hearsay.
[08:16] <monk> do you believe in life after death ?"
[08:17] <loitus> Nancy has previously been wrong, as in Hale-Bopp and went so far to edit previous postings so to not look foolish.
[08:17] <monk> I seen hale-bopp with my eyes
[08:17] <loitus> Monk: No.. I believe there's a possibility but since there is no proof and can never be any proof, I never will fully believe.
[08:18] <loitus> Monk: Yes, and Nancy said The Hale-Bopp comet does not exist. It is a fraud, perpetrated by those who would have the teeming masses quiescent until it is too late. Hale-Bopp is nothing more than a distant star, and will draw no closer.
[08:18] <monk> well science proved there is life after death
[08:18] <loitus> That's news to me ;)
[08:19] <loitus> Then she went back and edited out that entry from her archives...
[08:19] <loitus> seems suspicious...
[08:20] <loitus> I really thought the PX concept made a lot of sense until I stepped back and really looked at everything and Nancy is far from being someone I'd believe based on her previous history of changing her story.
[08:22] <monk> well i dont know about her changing her story
[08:22] <loitus> Anyone can see how frequently she has change her posting on zetatalk using any web archive.. it's quite obvious.
[08:23] <monk> maybe ill ask her next time zetatalk is on
[08:23] <loitus> She's the last person to ask, look for yourself...
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[08:23] <loitus> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=32be964b.13982251%40news.prestel.co.uk&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3Dnancy%2Bhale%2Bbopp%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.alien.*
[08:23] <loitus> go there
[08:24] <monk> http://www.survivalscience.org/
[08:25] <loitus> ?
[08:26] <loitus> "As time passes, just as
[08:26] <loitus> with the Roswell autopsy tapes, the Foundation of these claims will be
[08:26] <loitus> eroded. By 1996 or 1997, the supposed arrival time of Hale-Bopp, the
[08:26] <loitus> truth will be well known.
[08:26] <loitus> She was wrong..
[08:27] <monk> maybe they made the hale bob comet with technology
[08:27] <monk> or its another comet :P
[08:28] <loitus> Even when Nancy was asked to reveal something that we did not know about Jupiter that would be revealed by the Galileo probe, she refused... why wouldn't the Zetas do that?
[08:28] <loitus> Antoher comet, coincedentally passing at the same exact time..
[08:28] <loitus> yep I'll buy that for a dollar
[08:28] <monk> well the zetas said they would have to predict our technology
[08:29] <monk> doesn't that make sense
[08:29] <monk> you ever see the new mars pictures?
[08:29] <monk> they are black and white
[08:29] <monk> but they can be color
[08:29] <monk> our technology can be wrong
[08:29] <monk> or decieved
[08:30] <monk> if the zetas told something about jupiter
[08:30] <loitus> My question is why couldn't the SUPER-ADVANCED zetas, for the sake of showing us that they aren't BS, tell us something we didn't know about Jupiter?
[08:30] <monk> then nasa changes the images
[08:30] <loitus> I feel sorry for believers you guys have the task of creating so many excuses for Nancy.. sad..\
[08:31] <monk> well the future isn't placed in stone yet
[08:31] <monk> but there are possiblites
[08:31] <loitus> Always
[08:31] <loitus> but not solid enough for me to firmly believe anything.
[08:31] <monk> I see the possiblites in my dreams and such
[08:32] <loitus> Not until I am shown something tangible
[08:32] <monk> its like saying i dont believe in god untill i see him
[08:32] <monk> lol
[08:32] <loitus> People believed the world was flat, just because they were told that, because they didn't demand proof... and they were all wrong.
[08:32] <monk> do you believe our world revolves around the sun ?
[08:33] <loitus> Monk: I don't believe in God. It is humanity sad flaw that we believe anything without proof.
[08:33] <loitus> Monk: yes for I see that daily above my head.
[08:33] <loitus> The seasons prove it.
[08:33] <monk> but have u ever been in space and actually see it
[08:33] <monk> No
[08:34] <monk> someone else told u it does
[08:34] <monk> u wouldn't know it does just looking at the sky right ?
[08:34] <loitus> No, but the fact that I can see the planets seasons change and the fact that it gets colder as we get farther away and hotter as we get closer tells me that it's true. That's proof.
[08:34] <monk> how would u know the sun doesn't go around the earth
[08:35] <loitus> Yes but they used the scientific method to prove it's accuracy. Nancy says, proves nothing, and you believe.
[08:35] <monk> im not saying the earth doesn't go around the sun but just saying I dont got proof for it but i still believe it
[08:35] <loitus> There is not on shred of evidence that can be linked to PX yet.
[08:36] <monk> anciet text talk about planet x
[08:36] <loitus> But, if you felt like researching it you could easily see for yourself that we do indeed orbit the sun, no one can prove that PX exists.
[08:36] <monk> alot of propehts talk about it
[08:36] <loitus> They talk about Gods in the clouds too
[08:36] <loitus> It's called MYTH
[08:36] <monk> myth is somewhat true
[08:37] <monk> we live in a world where anything is possible
[08:38] <loitus> So, in that way. If I say the ocean is one large living organism, then it could be true?
[08:38] <loitus> Just because I said so.
[08:38] <monk> well yes
[08:39] <monk> the ocean has a life force
[08:39] <loitus> That's a sad sad way to live life... I live in reality not in fantasy.
[08:39] <monk> what is reality
[08:39] <loitus> Reality is what has been proven through science and work.
[08:40] <loitus> Why would our government keep PX a secret yet let news like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm out?
[08:41] <monk> reality is what u feel and touch and see right ?
[08:41] <loitus> They are telling us there that there an asteroid gigantic inside that could very well hit earth and cause cataclysmic changes.
[08:41] <loitus> Monk: Exactly.
[08:41] <loitus> inside = in size
[08:41] <loitus> Yet, they just felt like keeping PX a secret.
[08:41] <monk> well your dreams are reality to right
[08:42] <loitus> No dreams are my brain exercising.
[08:43] <monk> you just said reality is what you see touch and feel
[08:43] <monk> you see touch feel in your dreams
[08:43] <loitus> Yes I do not touch and feel dreams. Only see, and they are quite silly sometimes.
[08:43] <monk> well you never had a lucid dream
[08:44] <loitus> I only see dreams and my dreams are provoked usually by whatever I hear or see previous to sleep, excentuating the fact that they mean nothing.
[08:44] <monk> your asleep in the world WAKE up
[08:45] <loitus> Dreams can feel real, but then you wake up and realize they aren't. That you are back in reality.
[08:45] <loitus> I am awake, you surely are living a dream.
[08:45] <monk> how would u know that what u see right now isn't just a dream
[08:46] <loitus> I've seen Vanilla Sky, I don't need a course in reality perception.
[08:48] <monk> yea yea
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[09:46] <[3j]> hmm
[09:46] <[3j]> loitus was always like tha?
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[09:53] <ancalag0n> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm
[09:53] <ancalag0n> heh
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[09:58] <[3j]> hi jeremy
[09:58] <Jeremy> hello 3j
[09:59] <Jeremy> how hot today in Phoenix?
[09:59] <[3j]> not sure
[09:59] <[3j]> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm  you see this?
[10:00] <Jeremy> yes
[10:00] <[3j]> i woke up and saw that url posted a few times in here
[10:00] <Jeremy> Also there is going to be a flyby of an asteroid in August
[10:01] <Jeremy> Seems to be more asteroid traffic nowadays, don't you think?
[10:01] <[3j]> yeah
[10:01] <[3j]> seems like it just started several weeks ago
[10:02] <Jeremy> oh
[10:02] <[3j]> last year, near earth object news wasnt that occuring..
[10:02] <[3j]> several weeks/few months
[10:02] <Jeremy> Actually ZT says space debris is brushed ahead towards earth ahead of the passage
[10:03] <[3j]> perhaps..
[10:03] <[3j]> i dont like to use zt to explain everything ;)
[10:03] <Jeremy> ok :)
[10:04] <[3j]> theres other possibilities, like maybe people are looking out some more
[10:05] <[3j]> a few weeks ago on there was a very popular televangelist on one of those news talk shows
[10:05] <[3j]> and he was asked something about the threat of nuclear war and if that would be the end of the world... he paused and slowly said no I'm pretty sure the end of the world will come as an asteroid
[10:06] <[3j]> ill have too look up his name again, but it makes me wonder what "they" know
[10:06] <Jeremy> He is a fundamentalist Christian then who accepts the 'end of days'as described in the Bible?
[10:08] <Jeremy> Couldn't beleive to read that the Red Cross estimate 50,000 people have persihed from the floods in Venezuela. I wouldn't have realised that if I didn't read a post on tt-watch. That news never made it to the forefront of major media reporting.
[10:08] <[3j]> no, hes part of the tv christian thing, both minister and president of some religious network
[10:08] <[3j]> was the just the way he said it.. and then that asteroid link on the bbc reminded me of it
[10:08] <Jeremy> i see
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[10:08] <[3j]> http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/CloseApp.html  <-- only 5 near earth ojects for may 2003
[10:08] <loitus> word em up
[10:09] <Jeremy> whats up Loitus
[10:09] <loitus> yo
[10:09] <loitus> Heard about that dude on Art Bell last night?
[10:09] <Jeremy> yeah..
[10:09] <loitus> Nancy must be angry ;)
[10:09] <[3j]> what guy?
[10:10] <Jeremy> I posted an article on tt-watch which quoted his debunking statements..
[10:10] <loitus> hol on I'll get a link
[10:10] <Jeremy> I also intend to post my comments on his PX 'analysis' later on tt-watch
[10:10] <loitus> http://www.rense.com/general27/x.htm
[10:10] <Jeremy> thats the one
[10:10] <loitus> Whatcha think?
[10:13] <Jeremy> He's made some incorrect inferences, like saying that the outer planets are where they should be assuming PX doesn't exist. That is plainly incorrect, since the main reason astronomers searched for PX in the first place was due to pertubations in the outer planets..
[10:14] <loitus> Weird that right after Nancy is on Art Bell they bring on someone to discredit her.
[10:15] <Jeremy> yeah
[10:15] <loitus> Though I'd have to say it does make some sense that PX really should be in our solar system by now...
[10:15] <Jeremy> Then he's also cited Hazlewoods (plagiarist) description of PX being a brown dwarf and goes on to say that it would be much brighter than Hazlewood has said
[10:15] <Jeremy> Of course Nancy only described PX being a brown dwarf becuase that is the nearest category it fits in to
[10:15] <loitus> He seemed to mostly debunk hazlewood
[10:16] <Jeremy> yeah I noticed that too
[10:17] <loitus> I was interested to hear though that the Zetas refused to let us know something we don't know about Jupiter before galileo got there.. that could have been a good way to earn some credibility..
[10:17] <Jeremy> He's very confident to say PX doesn't exist. How can he KNOW it doesn't exist. A professional astronomer would just say they 'don't know' if PX is out there
[10:18] <Jeremy> loitus: oh, I didn't know that
[10:18] <loitus> It's on his site...
[10:19] <loitus> Also, I wonder why the government would allow news like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm to be released but made sure to keep any PX news secret.
[10:19] <loitus> It's very similar in nature.
[10:19] <Jeremy> its too far in the future I suppose
[10:20] <loitus> Supposed the Government has known about PX for a long time.
[10:20] <loitus> Longer than 17 yearsa
[10:20] <Jeremy> Britain, USA, and Russia have known for a long time, yes
[10:21] <[3j]> what did the probe find in jupiter? i was reading a page on nasa and the story lead all the way to the point that the probe was launched to gather data, but nothing else after
[10:22] <[3j]> was dissapointing
[10:22] <Motivez_> heh
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[10:22] <Motivez> I still can't believe there is debate over this =/
[10:23] <Jeremy> A debate over PX?
[10:27] <loitus> How can there not be?
[10:27] <Motivez> I'm talking about whether or not it's real
[10:28] <loitus> Exactly.
[10:28] <loitus> How can there not be debate.. there really is evidence either way yet..
[10:28] <Motivez> Anyone with half a brain and a healthy teaspoon of skepticism will realize this is a bunch of shit
[10:28] <loitus> Nothing scientifically undebatable..
[10:28] <Motivez> Go read that new site that's out there
[10:28] <Motivez> from some dr plait(sp?)
[10:28] <loitus> Shit I only have a 1/4 brain..
[10:29] <Motivez> Well, that'd explain why you wouldn't realize that it's a farse :)
[10:29] <Jeremy> PX could well exist even if it doesn't periodically enter our solar system
[10:29] <Motivez> erm
[10:29] <Motivez> I'm talking about this one which Nancy writes about
[10:29] <Motivez> Anything else is irrelevant
[10:29] <loitus> I'm neutral as I've explained.. but as time goes by and the more I read about Nancy the more I lean towards disbelief...
[10:30] <Jeremy> Thank god we only have to wait another 9 months until EVERYONE knows what the score is
[10:30] <Motivez> haha
[10:30] <loitus> Nancy seems to chage a lot of the content on her site frequently, observable through any web archive.. and then there's the Hale-Bopp debacle...
[10:30] <Motivez> another 9 months?
[10:30] <loitus> I'll be sure by fall.
[10:31] <Jeremy> just over 9 months till the passage
[10:31] <Motivez> This thing was supposed to be visible by mid 2002
[10:31] <Motivez> Not to mention the fact that it'd be about as far away as Jupitar atm
[10:31] <loitus> Motivez: Very true.. now Nancy says fall ;)
[10:31] <loitus> Motivez: it's using a cloaking device borrowed from the klingons.
[10:31] <Jeremy> PX won't even enter the solar system till next year
[10:31] <Motivez> hahaha
[10:31] <Motivez> :P
[10:31] <Motivez> you're joking right
[10:32] <Motivez> jeremy i mean
[10:32] <Motivez> . . .
[10:32] <loitus> It would have to be going VERY fast to enter the solar system next year and make it to Earth by May
[10:32] <Jeremy> dead serious :|
[10:32] <Motivez> lolol
[10:32] <Motivez> If it was to get here at the time it's supposed to
[10:32] <Motivez> It'd be about as far away as Jupiter
[10:32] <Motivez> and bright
[10:32] <Motivez> Regardless of it's 'dull' or wtfever bs excuses nancy is coming up with now
[10:32] <Motivez> :P
[10:32] <Jeremy> loitus: Exactly, it exponentially increases speed as it gets nearer the sun
[10:33] <Motivez> Which uh, makes no sense either :P
[10:33] <Motivez> Oh wait, repulsion force
[10:33] <Motivez> or whatever
[10:33] <Motivez> brb
[10:33] <Motivez> rebooting
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[10:33] <sapphire> no other objects observed so far within solar system have been able to move at the speed PX would have to obtain to make it here on time
[10:34] <loitus> How long did it take for Hale-Bopp to make to earth once it entered the solar system?
[10:34] <Jeremy> No, but they are not the size of PX
[10:34] <sapphire> so its crapolla
[10:34] <sapphire> Jupiter is way bigger than PX, and it moves way slower
[10:35] <Jeremy> sapphire: thats because its in a stable orbit around our sun, subject to the Suns influences
[10:35] <loitus> But PX is on a completely different orbit.
[10:35] <sapphire> no, the speed is next to impossible.  We can't even propell spacecraft to that velocity...or even close
[10:35] <Jeremy> When PX is put of solar system it doesn't have as much resistance in gaining speed .. till it reaches the solar system boundary
[10:35] <Jeremy> put=out
[10:36] <loitus> But, sadly we as humans do not know everything there is to know about space, so no one can truly say anything is impossible..
[10:36] <loitus> I hope it has it's passport in order..
[10:36] <loitus> ;)
[10:36] <Jeremy> sapphire, gravity does the job of accelerating PX
[10:36] <sapphire> it will shoot by so fast, no one will see it if they blink
[10:37] <sapphire> Nancy will probably tell some story like that when it doesn't show up.
[10:37] <Jeremy> Its fast, but not impssibly fast as I have done some computations myself to determine the avg. speed
[10:37] <sapphire> "it got lost in the blur"
[10:37] <loitus> It would be funny if it did come, but actually didn't effect Earth at all.
[10:38] <sapphire> jeremy: are you a believer?
[10:38] <Jeremy> yeah
[10:38] <Jeremy> The way I look at it, if there is no reddish cross in early April then we can assume its not coming or doesn't exist
[10:38] <sapphire> oh, then no point in arguing with you.  It's too late...
[10:39] <sapphire> When there is no reddish cross, Nancy will have a new twist to her story...and you will continue to believe
[10:39] <Jeremy> no I won't believe any deviations once we get to that stage..
[10:39] <sapphire> we are already at that stage
[10:39] <loitus> I don't think he will, no one would. nancy is quite staunch about it coming may 2003.. if she did change stories only the most die-hard idiot could be fooled further
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[10:40] <Ogmios> hi
[10:40] <Jeremy> yes loitus, there is no excuse for it not arriving next year
[10:40] <Jeremy> hi Ogmios
[10:40] <sapphire> i don't think she will do an all out reversal of her position.  She will make additions from January to May which change the scenario
[10:41] <sapphire> Earth was shifted temporarily to 4th density
[10:41] <loitus> That would be too hard a bite too swallow for the sane.
[10:41] <sapphire> or etc.
[10:41] <sapphire> but the believers already will not accept IMO images
[10:42] <Jeremy> People forget however, that PX will still be very hard to spot even in the fall, when it is still well beyond Plutos orbit
[10:42] <loitus> There is nothing definative that proves it either way, only patience can....
[10:42] <sapphire> Remember, PX used to be Mag. 2
[10:42] <Jeremy> yes loitus
[10:42] <sapphire> then Mag. 10
[10:42] <sapphire> then Mag. 20+
[10:43] <sapphire> still the believers swallow the excuses
[10:43] <sapphire> so this should not change even in May 2003
[10:43] <Jeremy> naw
[10:43] <loitus> Anyone who truly believes 100% is no different than anyone that 100% disbelieves... for there is not SOLID evidence for either case.
[10:43] <sapphire> as there will be additions by then
[10:43] <loitus> Only patience will reveal the truth
[10:43] <Jeremy> I hear you loitus
[10:44] <sapphire> there is solid evidence that it doesn't exist at Nancy's coordinates
[10:44] <loitus> Anyone with any need to be factual, should accept that you just don't know, yet.
[10:44] <sapphire> believers refuse to accept the images
[10:44] <Jeremy> The source is not reliable enough for me to accept
[10:44] <sapphire> for a true believer, no source will ever be without suspicion of involvement with the conspiracy
[10:45] <Jeremy> perhaps
[10:45] <sapphire> this whole thing feeds off fear and paranoia
[10:45] <sapphire> the true ZT intentions
[10:45] <sapphire> but, i'll be quiet now
[10:45] <sapphire> :)
[10:46] <Jeremy> is yout throat sore? :)
[10:46] <loitus> Need a lozenge?
[10:46] <loitus> ;)
[10:46] <Jeremy> hehe
[10:47] <Jeremy> There's a fair number of contactees following ZT who still believe, mainly becuase there experiences reinforce what they read on ZT
[10:47] <[3j]> then again maybe Zetas are completely cluesless about astronomy
[10:47] <[3j]> clueless
[10:48] <[3j]> the jupiter thing, problems with coordinates, magnitude things
[10:48] <Jeremy> The Zetas were correct about increasinlgy erratic weather prior to the passage
[10:49] <loitus> Maybe the Zetas are trying to take over the world and will use PX as an excuse for the devastastion so they can tehn come down onto Earth as supposed "helpers" and then slowly take over.. when they were in fact the causers of it.
[10:49] <Jeremy> What?! They sent PX our way?
[10:50] <loitus> Maybe there is no PX, but an illusion created, and they'll use some super-weapon to caus ethe changes to Earth.. that will perhaps make our atmosphere more tolerable to them ;)
[10:51] <loitus> Fucking aliens
[10:51] <Jeremy> Don't worry, Black Suits Coming  hehe
[10:51] <loitus> Big willy time!
[10:52] <Jeremy> Don't think Agent J and K could stop PX though
[10:52] <loitus> Nancy is just a synthetic tool created to fool us!
[10:52] <loitus> ;)
[10:52] <loitus> It's all a setup to make us into their sex slaves!
[10:53] <Jeremy> loitus, are you neutral on this whole thing then?
[10:53] <loitus> Word
[10:53] <loitus> Though slowly, very slowly leaning toward disbelief due to Nancy...
[10:54] <loitus> But like any thing a human does, there are expected faults.
[10:54] <loitus> So who know?
[10:54] <Jeremy> So if there is a news article in the autumn stating a new planet has been disocvered close to our solar system, would that make you a believer?
[10:55] <loitus> Closer... I will believe when I see a red cross.
[10:55] <loitus> Only then.
[10:55] <Jeremy> oh, so you want unquestionable proof before your own eyes
[10:56] <loitus> That's always what I look for in life.
[10:56] <Jeremy> a friend of mine says that about PX too
[10:57] <loitus> Most of humanities mistakes were based on things for which there was no proof.
[10:57] <loitus> My religion is science..
[10:57] <loitus> Of course science itself is flawed.. ever since we've stepped into the quantum age...
[10:58] <Jeremy> A lot of scientific theories are posed as truths
[10:58] <loitus> Though unlike most religion, I fell that science is prepared to prove itself wrong..
[10:58] <loitus> for the furthering of humanity.
[10:59] <loitus> fell = feel
[10:59] <Jeremy> ok
[11:00] <Jeremy> I feel like have prepared the most for this event next year, partly becuase I realise how much there is to acquire and research
[11:01] <[3j]> science appears to me that it doesnt like to prove itself wrong
[11:01] <loitus> I feel no need to prepare, I feel it is egotistical to think my single life is so important that I need to make an effort to survive this natural event..
[11:01] <[3j]> and would go the extra mile to make sure anything that can discredit it, doesnt happen..
[11:02] <loitus> 3j: Science thankfully is based on curiosity.. and curiousity always wins out in the end.
[11:04] <loitus> There will be those who will stand in the way out of fear.. but they, throughout history never can stop progress.
[11:04] <loitus> It's inevitable for us to strain for a better understanding of our universe.
[11:05] <loitus> There were those who stood in the way of realizing the Earth was round.. but curiosity won out then.. and always will.
[11:06] <Jeremy> We know little about the universe other than telescopic observations, and probe flybys to the other solar planets
[11:07] <[3j]> some use the truths of science as a step to gain credibility and gain power
[11:07] <loitus> I think if we truly understand our own world then we will unlock the secrets of the universe..
[11:08] <loitus> 3j: There will always be people who try to gain power from knowledge.. but thankfully the world over is full over the curious. and they cannot all be controlled.
[11:08] <loitus> full over = full of
[11:10] <loitus> I think all we know will slowly be proven to be as ridiculous as we think of how people thought 1000s of years ago.
[11:10] <loitus> We are still in our infancy in our understanding of our universe...
[11:12] <loitus> I think human perception is our biggest roadblock, only by creatin more advance machinery to do the investigation itself I think we'll then truly understand.. we need an unbiased view on the universe.
[11:13] <[3j]> yea
[11:13] <loitus> Just because we see something one way, hear something one way, feel something one way does not mean that it is the way it truly is.
[11:13] <[3j]> unbiased is it
[11:14] <loitus> Our brains translate our surroundings..
[11:14] <loitus> into things we can understand.
[11:15] <loitus> We may have hit our limit with quantum physics.. it may be time to allow the RISE OF THE MACHINES: T3!!!
[11:15] <loitus> Oh wait...
[11:15] <loitus> ;)
[11:16] <[3j]> hehe
[11:16] <[3j]> AI being a threat is so unreal
[11:16] <[3j]> anyone who would program something like that would put in a failsafe switch
[11:19] <loitus> But it makes for cool movies!
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[12:26] <obaway> that info about Venezuela that Jeremy pointed to was about 1999, i accedently emailed short info and the url from the year 1999 but there are floods also now
[12:28] <Ogmios> hi obany
[12:29] <obaway> hi
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[12:39] <obany> altough i don't like the term Intruders ... it will be shown on TV again, Dutch tv .. a mini serie (movie) about a woman who had contact  ... it's based on the book by a Bud Hopkins... who has a bit of a negative view on aliens
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[12:44] <obany> have a book at home written by the woman on wich the book intruders is based upon .. not a bad book ... dutch translation . . written by herself
[12:45] <sapphire> yes, I read the book Intruders.  It had a negative spin on alien encounters
[12:48] <obany> I did read it several years ago, from the library dutch translation .. But i do have two books by John E Mack at home ...
[12:49] <obany> and 2 books by Strieber
[12:49] <sapphire> I read the first one from Mack.  It had some interesting cases
[12:49] <obany> His latest is interresting, passport to the cosmos
[12:50] <sapphire> is it more of the hypnotic regression
[12:50] <sapphire> ?
[12:50] <obany> No, different ... wait a moment ..
[12:51] <obany> http://www.centerchange.org/passport/  
[12:55] <obany> also has section about hybrids. Mentions some visions by expierencers etc.
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[14:49] <robodot> hello
[14:49] <robodot> halo
[14:50] <robodot> nannonanno
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[15:09] <obany> quiet here today
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[15:20] <obany> hi Jeremy
[15:21] <obany> did you noticed my email ... forgot to look at the date and emailed something from 1999... but changed it now ... with the right info about this years floodings in Venezuela
[15:22] <Ogmios> hi jeremy
[15:22] <Jeremy> back
[15:22] <Jeremy> hi Guys
[15:22] <obany> i also emailed an article about floods in Turkey ...
[15:22] <obany> hi J
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[15:26] <reticuli> greetings gentlemen
[15:28] <reticuli> hello onlainari
[15:28] <Jeremy> hi reticuli
[15:28] <reticuli> come here often ;)
[15:28] <reticuli> hehe
[15:28] <reticuli> i'm in a goofy mood t'day.... sleep deprivation
[15:29] <Jeremy> Have you seen that badastronomy.com site?
[15:29] <reticuli> no
[15:30] <Jeremy> The author is a professional astronomer who attempted to debunk the PX 2003 scenario on the Art Bell show yesterday
[15:30] <reticuli> i heard a little of that
[15:30] <reticuli> not too impressive
[15:31] <Jeremy> He didn't just say 'we don't know if it exists' but instead tried to categorically rule out its existence
[15:31] <reticuli> yes, very unscientific
[15:31] <obany> i have been to that site also ... not that of a good article
[15:31] <Jeremy> He actually made some errors too
[15:32] <reticuli> Is it just me... or does science seem to be getting more insecure
[15:32] <Jeremy> Science is what scientists want it to be
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[15:33] <reticuli> hmmm, I think its more that scientists are what science demands
[15:33] <Jeremy> yes that too
[15:33] <reticuli> if you dont tow the line then you are a kook
[15:33] <obany> hi drgreen
[15:34] <reticuli> They are trying to preserve their power as the authors of teh dominant narrative in the west, and I think that they are starting to realize that their power is slipping
[15:34] <reticuli> hello dr. green
[15:34] <DRGREEN> hi all.
[15:34] <Jeremy> Hello DRGREEN
[15:35] <Jeremy> I think Plait also argued that PX should be much brighter as its current distance
[15:35] <reticuli> where r u DRGREEN
[15:36] <DRGREEN> You mean wich country?
[15:36] <reticuli> well even at his calculations it would only be as bright as venus, which could easily be hid by the sun
[15:36] <reticuli> yes
[15:36] <Jeremy> However, PX as a red planet has a low albedo, which means a low magnitude when viewing it from afar
[15:36] <reticuli> city or whatever
[15:36] <DRGREEN> netherlands, rotterdam.
[15:36] <reticuli> Are you really a doctor?
[15:36] <DRGREEN> that's in europe.
[15:36] <reticuli> yeah
[15:37] <DRGREEN> No I'm no docter.
[15:37] <reticuli> I've been there
[15:37] <DRGREEN> But I am green!
[15:37] <reticuli> hmmmm
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[15:37] <reticuli> Are you Doktor feelgood?
[15:38] <Jeremy> Did you know Mars, the only red planet (other than PX if you accept its existence) in the solar system, has the second lowest albedo (unit of reflectivity) of all the planets
[15:38] <DRGREEN> So you like the Netherlands? Wouldn't matter because if the Z's are right it will be utterly flooded.
[15:38] <reticuli> Yes I did enjoy my stay
[15:38] <reticuli> ah, but you Dutch will just build bigger dykes
[15:39] <reticuli> hehe
[15:39] <DRGREEN> HAHAHA!
[15:39] <obany> Most of the country, is below sea level
[15:39] <obany> sure reticuli sure
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[15:39] <reticuli> :)
[15:39] * obany is dutch too
[15:42] <obany> gee someoen posted a email to tt-welcome with the link to that badastronmy page
[15:42] <reticuli> That guy represented everything that is wrong with science
[15:43] <reticuli> Science is only a method
[15:43] <DRGREEN> some still believe current science is 100%.
[15:43] <Jeremy> No astronomer can prove PX doesn't exist out there
[15:43] <Jeremy> The same way we can't prove it exists now
[15:44] <DRGREEN> I'm pretty sure it exists. Though I'm not sure if it will pass in 2003.
[15:44] <reticuli> First rule of scientific methodology.... you can never prove that something does not exist
[15:44] <DRGREEN> Then again, could be completely wrong somehow.
[15:44] <Jeremy> At least Robert Harrington, a highly respected astronomer was open to the notion of PX, even though he didn't find it, so far as we know
[15:44] <reticuli> so i think that the guy is not a true scientist
[15:44] <reticuli> yes jeremy, I was really surprised about harrington
[15:45] <DRGREEN> Well, he did saw something according to lots of people.
[15:45] <DRGREEN> That was the guy who met Sitchin?
[15:45] <reticuli> I saw the video, he did not confirm its existence
[15:45] <reticuli> yes DR
[15:45] <Jeremy> I never knew he met Sitchin until I saw the xfacts.com movie clip
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[15:45] <reticuli> greetings earthling
[15:46] <DRGREEN> He had a strange observation and spoke to Mr. Sitchin immediately. Sitchin knew about PX so Harrington figured that was his man.
[15:46] <DRGREEN> According to lots of sites.
[15:46] <reticuli> they never say that in the video though
[15:46] <Jeremy> oh
[15:47] <obany> He got "killed" or so right ?
[15:47] <reticuli> heart attack
[15:47] <DRGREEN> Harrington wanted to dispatch a special team determined to find PX. He never made it though, he died.
[15:47] <reticuli> where do you get this info DR.?
[15:47] <DRGREEN> Lots of sites. I'll post a couple of adresses wait minute pls.
[15:48] <reticuli> thx
[15:48] <DRGREEN> and Zetatalk course.
[15:48] <Jeremy> I read a book that mentioned Van Flanderns and Harringtons attempt to find PX, and their estimation of its characteristics are quite close to the ZT description of it
[15:48] <reticuli> What is van fladern saying these days? does he have a site?
[15:48] <Jeremy> Yes I think so..
[15:49] <obany> zetatalk about harrington http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g138.htm
[15:50] <DRGREEN> thanks obany.
[15:50] <obany> also contains a link to a page on troubled times about him
[15:51] <reticuli> "Dr. Harrinton confirms that he has read Sitchin's research and agrees with the proposed existence and orbit of the 12th planet"
[15:51] <reticuli> hmm i watched that video and never did I hear him say that he believed it existed
[15:53] <DRGREEN> Oh he DID BELIEVE allright, and was fascinated by the planet.
[15:53] <DRGREEN> or is it with?
[15:53] <reticuli> did you watch it DR. GReen?
[15:54] <DRGREEN> I have no doubt that at the right time -- right in the eyes of whoever decided these matters -- the existence of Nibiru will be officially confirmed.
[15:54] <reticuli> but have you seen the video?
[15:55] <DRGREEN> http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/June2002/NIBURU4/niburu4.htm   interview with Sitchin, confirms about meeting Harrington.
[15:55] <reticuli> Jeremy, what did you think of the interview?
[15:55] <DRGREEN> It's also on Zecharia's official page, www.sitchin.com
[15:56] <Jeremy> sorry, on phone
[15:56] <reticuli> have you seen the video DR Green
[15:56] <reticuli> ?
[15:56] <DRGREEN> wich one? On television or on the net?
[15:56] <reticuli> on the net
[15:56] <DRGREEN> no. where?
[15:56] <reticuli> I watched on the net and was disaapointed
[15:57] <DRGREEN> Such video's are usually badly influenced by the creator. They cut out what they think is not relevant or some such.
[15:58] <DRGREEN> There are a lot of interesting video's on xfacts.
[15:58] <reticuli> well considering that sitchin made the video, you'd think he would think that is relevant
[15:58] <reticuli> does anyone have the exact link, i'm having trouble finding it
[15:58] <reticuli> http://xfacts.com/x1.htm
[15:59] <reticuli> ok
[15:59] <DRGREEN> Sitchin himself made the video? Does he records himself?
[15:59] <reticuli> lol, I assume he had a crew
[15:59] <DRGREEN> Or is it an interview?
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[15:59] <reticuli> an interview
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[15:59] <DRGREEN> strange that he does not mention it clearly. It's on his site anyway.
[16:00] <reticuli> yeah, he never comes out and says that the planet is there. he just agrees with sitchin that if it did exist then he accepts the orbital model put out by sitchin
[16:01] <reticuli> But it is obvious that he is VERY INTERESTED and looking
[16:02] <reticuli> the fact that the guy drops dead at 50 ,  6 months after the interview is fishy
[16:03] <obany> yes
[16:03] <reticuli> Does zetatalk say anything about whitley strieber?
[16:04] <obany> yes
[16:04] <obany> in the awakening section
[16:04] <obany> look for communion
[16:04] <reticuli> ok
[16:05] <reticuli> I emailed him about px.... no response
[16:06] <obany> perhaps he is busy ...
[16:06] <reticuli> perhaps....
[16:07] <reticuli> I have emailed him in the past, always received a reply within days
[16:07] <reticuli> I wonder about him sometimes.....
[16:10] <obany> you know some time ago he wrote another journal .. ...and the year 2003 got mentioned in it.... let me see : http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=94  (  If the visitors should make their presence here undeniable, and there is a possibility of this happening in 2003, as there was in 1989 and in 1952, then, for the first time, we will be able to address them in a meaningful way.
[16:10] <obany> )
[16:10] <reticuli> ah
[16:10] <reticuli> wow
[16:11] <obany> http://www.unknowncountry.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?lm=1027174887&file=/913/4360.html discussion there
[16:11] <reticuli> Thanks obany
[16:13] <obany> no thnx
[16:13] <reticuli> No wonder he did not respond
[16:14] <obany> did u used this page ? http://www.unknowncountry.com/contact/
[16:14] <reticuli> no, i sent it to some email address I have for him
[16:14] <reticuli> I guess I can try that channel
[16:16] <obany> give it a try
[16:17] <reticuli> I dont think he wants to get involved in px
[16:17] <obany> maybe so
[16:18] <reticuli> why are so many dutch people interested in px?
[16:19] <obany> And what about American people .. ... that's the same question
[16:20] <obany> but yes, there are some dutch people interrested in PX
[16:20] <reticuli> You miss the point
[16:20] <reticuli> what is the population of the netherlands
[16:20] <Jeremy> back
[16:21] <DRGREEN> about 16 milion
[16:21] <obany> 16 million
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[16:21] <reticuli> so thats like 1/18th the population of the states, yet there are many dutch people into px
[16:21] <DRGREEN> not very much, but somehow quite openminded.
[16:22] <DRGREEN> but stressed and into working on the other hand.
[16:22] <reticuli> I was thinking maybe it was some desire for destruction because of urban malaise and overpopulation
[16:22] <Jeremy> Apparently that asteriod that might collide with Earth in 2019 was mentioned on BBC news today
[16:22] <DRGREEN> yes haha.
[16:23] <DRGREEN> what's urban malaise reticuli?
[16:23] <Angelic> maybe the dutch are favored by the sto aliens to survive so they are made clearer the message ;) lol
[16:23] <reticuli> i mean there are three dutch here now
[16:23] <DRGREEN> Me, obany and...?
[16:23] <Angelic>  i did this to your momma
[16:24] <Angelic> I'm not dutch, I only have sex that way
[16:24] <reticuli> yeah should have known
[16:24] <DRGREEN> So tell me, what IS the Ditch way?
[16:24] <DRGREEN> Dutch?
[16:24] <Jeremy> lol
[16:24] <reticuli> mal·aise   Pronunciation Key  (m-lz, -lz)
[16:24] <reticuli> n.
[16:24] <reticuli> A vague feeling of bodily discomfort, as at the beginning of an illness.
[16:24] <reticuli> A general sense of depression or unease: “One year after the crash, the markets remain mired in a deep malaise” (New York Times).
[16:25] <reticuli> the depression that comes from living in an urban overcrowded environment
[16:25] <DRGREEN> We have no such thing as far as I know. All very healthy, except for the pollution.
[16:25] <Angelic> sticks and stones may break my bones but quotes can never hurt me
[16:25] <DRGREEN> Oh yes THAT we do have.
[16:26] <Angelic> usa is tha land of the holy doomed people
[16:26] <reticuli> damm, I thought those sts aliens in your wall did you in angelic ;)
[16:26] <Angelic> they died ages ago
[16:26] <Angelic> mummified them
[16:26] <reticuli> too bad
[16:26] <reticuli> where do you live anyway dutch fucker?
[16:27] <Angelic> i can send some samples to you for cloning purposes
[16:27] <reticuli> cool, emiual em to me
[16:27] <reticuli> email
[16:27] <Angelic> well
[16:27] * obany goes now ... nite
[16:27] <Angelic> drgreen is not dutch
[16:27] <Jeremy> night obany
[16:27] <DRGREEN> I'm not?
[16:27] <reticuli> goedennacht
[16:27] <DRGREEN> Bye obany.
[16:28] <DRGREEN> mazzel!
[16:28] <obany> teruste
[16:28] <Angelic> doei obje
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[16:28] <Jeremy> Goodnight
[16:28] <obany> thnx
[16:29] <Angelic> who you thanking?
[16:29] <Jeremy> bye
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[16:29] <obany> all i guess ... Jeremy in fact..
[16:29] <obany> but hey i realy go now
[16:29] <Angelic> jeremy isn't all
[16:29] <obany> zzzzzzzzzzzzz take care
[16:30] <obany> yes i know... but now it's all
[16:30] <obany> thnx
[16:30] <obany> :)
[16:30] <Angelic> :p
[16:30] <DRGREEN> ze komen je halen obany...
[16:30] <obany> zal ik niet erg vinden green
[16:30] <Angelic> exactly :)
[16:31] <DRGREEN> anale penetratie?
[16:31] <reticuli> ew
[16:31] <Angelic> ew
[16:31] <Angelic> he crazy gay, not dutch
[16:31] <reticuli> dont have to speak dutch to get that one
[16:31] <DRGREEN> haha.
[16:31] <Angelic> clearly
[16:31] <reticuli> ;)
[16:32] <DRGREEN> I thought the grey's are very fond of probing :(
[16:32] <obany> uuuh... hou je is ff in .. kom op zeg... alsof contact alleen dat is ...
[16:32] <obany> maar goed mzzls
[16:32] <obany> :)
[16:32] <DRGREEN> :*)
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[16:34] <Angelic> he got humor after all
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[16:34] <reticuli> Do you live in institutional housing angelic?
[16:35] <Pott> reticuli: Would you give your soul to them?
[16:35] <Angelic> you must be mistaking me for your roomy
[16:35] <reticuli> lol, I just imagine you living in an orphange or something
[16:36] <Angelic> keep that up and i will kick you
[16:36] <Angelic> lol!
[16:36] <reticuli> hehe
[16:36] <Pott> I can see you actually thinking that the Zeta's are everything and all.
[16:36] <Angelic> zetas are all?
[16:36] <reticuli> It the mental image I have of you when you are online
[16:37] <Angelic> you're obviously in error, mistaking yours with mine through projection
[16:37] <reticuli> yeah, well i dont live in an orphanage, so thats not it
[16:38] <reticuli> im too old
[16:38] <reticuli> ;)
[16:38] <Pott> In a real shitty ass mood eh?
[16:38] <reticuli> you are?
[16:38] <Pott> Not me.
[16:39] <reticuli> thank god
[16:40] <Angelic> is that the american god that doesn't exist?
[16:40] <reticuli> ok
[16:40] <DRGREEN> I thought Bush was the American God.
[16:40] <reticuli> in america our gods live in hollywood, we worship stars
[16:41] <Angelic> bush wages war in the name of god, his holy war against terrorism
[16:41] <reticuli> I cant believe he actually called it a crusade
[16:41] <Angelic> there's hope yet I guess
[16:41] <DRGREEN> He called it that?
[16:41] <reticuli> I do not think that was an accident
[16:41] <reticuli> yes
[16:42] <DRGREEN> hehe.
[16:42] <reticuli> he was talking about al qaieda
[16:42] <DRGREEN> You're spelling that correctly?
[16:42] <reticuli> not sure
[16:42] <DRGREEN> Al Quuyidjahrilandrabad?
[16:42] <DRGREEN> al kwijda
[16:42] <Angelic> and bush is jerking off at photos from dead innocent citizens that went down in afghanistan
[16:43] <reticuli> ew
[16:43] <Angelic> should make an animation of that and spread it
[16:43] <reticuli> that gut probably hasnt had sex since 1985
[16:43] <reticuli> gut=guy
[16:43] <Angelic> he looks like a gut
[16:43] <Angelic> he has none
[16:44] <Angelic> so he looks like one
[16:44] <Angelic> thats overcompensation
[16:45] <Angelic> americans are fat
[16:45] <reticuli> most are
[16:45] <reticuli> lots of shitty food, no exercise
[16:45] <Pott> Also fat with greed.
[16:46] <DRGREEN> fat bastard. I hate America. I puke on Americans.
[16:46] <DRGREEN> Just kidding.
[16:46] <reticuli> reti ducks
[16:46] <reticuli> for cover
[16:46] <Pott> You have to wonder how many people live slave labour like.
[16:47] <DRGREEN> But America has that overdone patriotism.
[16:47] <Ogmios> america is just too big
[16:47] <reticuli> 1/3 of the population
[16:47] <Angelic> well, most europeans actually do dislike americans and america, not that cnn will tell their americans this
[16:47] <reticuli> is a slave
[16:47] <Pott> That expense to fill the shelves with cheap products.
[16:47] <reticuli> actually the media had been covering the widening gulf between europe and teh USA
[16:48] <Angelic> actually, the only folk liking the usa are americans themselves
[16:48] <reticuli> hmmm
[16:48] <Pott> Nah there are plenty of illegal aliens.
[16:48] <DRGREEN> That's good Reticuli, CNN reporting that. Americans should try and wonder Why?
[16:48] <reticuli> BUSH
[16:48] <DRGREEN> try to wonder
[16:48] <Angelic> so we know americans are incapable of objectivity
[16:49] <DRGREEN> But they usuallt don't think much do they?
[16:49] <Angelic> just look at the president they choose
[16:49] <reticuli> he was not elected
[16:49] <Pott> They do as these please when these please.
[16:49] <reticuli> get it straight
[16:49] <Pott> when they rather
[16:49] <Angelic> bush was elected
[16:49] <reticuli> no
[16:49] <Angelic> yes
[16:49] <reticuli> nope
[16:49] <Angelic> yeop
[16:49] <Ogmios> bush cheated
[16:50] <Angelic> yes
[16:50] <DRGREEN> secret elite cheated.
[16:50] <Angelic> but he was elected
[16:50] <reticuli> in an election the vote has to be counted, it was not
[16:50] <Angelic> e has officially been elected
[16:50] <DRGREEN> Gore should have won, but according to Nancy, he was a threat knowing about aliens and all.
[16:50] <Angelic> he has
[16:50] <reticuli> he was installed by the supreme court through an injunction
[16:50] <Angelic> nancy is crazy
[16:51] <DRGREEN> How can you say that?
[16:51] <Angelic> blasphemer?
[16:51] <Angelic> lol
[16:51] <reticuli> But your point is taken angelic, if most american werent idiots then he would never have gotten so far
[16:51] <Pott> America is a dictatorship in denial.
[16:52] <Angelic> heck, jus tknow, among my best friends some are american
[16:52] <Angelic> and they agree with me
[16:52] <Angelic> as friends should
[16:52] <Angelic> ;)
[16:52] <reticuli> well I live here and I know plenty of americans that are well aware that this is a dictatorship pott
[16:52] <Angelic> not the majority
[16:53] <DRGREEN> Good, maybe a very dim light (red light?) at the end of the tunnel?
[16:53] <reticuli> its true
[16:53] <Angelic> trailor trash and redneck idiocy reigns the capitol hills
[16:53] <Angelic> trailer?
[16:54] <reticuli> But I would caution you against forming your impressions about the states solely from the mass media
[16:54] <reticuli> trailer
[16:54] <reticuli> especially american films
[16:54] <Angelic> I don't get why all these educated wise americans keep their mouths shut, are they afraid for the nsa? fbi? cia?
[16:54] <Pott> Cause it would be sewed shut.
[16:54] <Angelic> dictatorship
[16:55] <Pott> in denial
[16:55] <reticuli> you dont know what you are talking about angelic, pleanty of people are talking openly about these issues in the states
[16:55] <Angelic> america makes lots of porn movies
[16:55] <reticuli> unfortunately not enough
[16:55] <Angelic> pott are you american?
[16:55] <Pott> Nope Canadian.
[16:56] <Angelic> canada should be the world power, if there should ever be one, and pott for president
[16:56] <Pott> Prime Minster here ;)
[16:56] <Angelic> hehe you would
[16:56] <Pott> Think I would do alright?
[16:57] <reticuli> Its very depressing to be an american right now, there is a nasty mood in the air. Like if you speak up about things you can get beat
[16:57] <Angelic> well no, I see you don't know yourself and that shows you doubt yourself too much lol ;)
[16:57] <Pott> I don't think i would do well hehe
[16:58] <Pott> Probably start a war or something.
[16:58] <Angelic> reticuli, should be a new movie made: Escape from America (escape from NY spin off)
[16:58] <reticuli> lol
[16:58] <Angelic> maybe osame wants to sponsor
[16:58] <reticuli> people have gone nuts here, deutchland circa 1933
[16:59] <Angelic> well, mostly the religious right folk right?
[16:59] <reticuli> no
[16:59] <reticuli> a lot of people
[16:59] <Angelic> Gore should have been the president, you'd all be smoking pot for free now
[17:00] <reticuli> doubtful, but we would not have had 9/11
[17:00] <Angelic> well, just pointing out the euphanism nancy made clear that gore would have brough all that is good unto the earth
[17:01] <Pott> I don't think it really matter who you elect.
[17:01] <reticuli> I have given up my long standing belief against owning guns
[17:01] <Angelic> don't elect, ERECT!!!
[17:02] <reticuli> I'm gonna get em while I stil can
[17:02] <Angelic> in other words, STAND UP!
[17:02] <Angelic> Pott, can't Canada infade the US and take over? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
[17:02] <Angelic> we'll help
[17:03] <DRGREEN> Yeah, I will.
[17:03] <Angelic> japan, europe, china, russia, afghanistan, iran, iraq.. we will all help
[17:03] <reticuli> I thought it was ironic, when that  dutch politician who was oposed to immigration was assasinated and they are sending the body to Italy for burial... I guess he was not opposed to post mortem emmigration
[17:03] <Angelic> he wasn't right winged
[17:04] <DRGREEN> He was a raelist.
[17:04] <reticuli> did I say he was
[17:04] <Angelic> that was cnn talking
[17:04] <reticuli> ?
[17:04] <Angelic> yes you hinted at that
[17:04] <reticuli> well the irony still stands
[17:04] <DRGREEN> No he said he wasn't after all apparently.
[17:04] <reticuli> ?
[17:04] <reticuli> oh ic
[17:04] <Angelic> subtlety is the tool of the deceiving, as they can always deny its message when confronted with it
[17:05] <reticuli> i dont even watch cnn angelic
[17:05] <Angelic> oh, that is just a consequence of false interpretation, we did not mean that.. ahum
[17:05] <reticuli> or TV
[17:05] <Pott> Vote - Nancy Lieder for president or bush
[17:05] <Angelic> oh you heard it from guys like obany?
[17:05] <Pott> WHo do you choose?
[17:05] <reticuli> nope
[17:05] <DRGREEN> I choose nancy.
[17:06] <DRGREEN> better aliens than fat bastards.
[17:06] <Pott> I'd choose neither
[17:06] <Angelic> rather have hybrids than americans, sorry
[17:06] <Pott> Nancy is a fat bitch.
[17:07] <Angelic> and then you die!
[17:07] <Angelic> oh no, life is a bitch and then you die
[17:07] <DRGREEN> but that;s just one, the rest is pretty skinny and grey.
[17:07] * Pott thinks Nancy is Nasty
[17:08] <reticuli> we know
[17:08] <Pott> She is
[17:08] <Angelic> no, nancy CLAIMS they used her genetic material for producing hybrids too.. so we will have schizofrenic fat aliens
[17:08] <DRGREEN> That's kinda rude.
[17:08] <DRGREEN> haha.
[17:08] <Angelic> blasphemy?
[17:08] <Pott> Sheesh
[17:08] <Angelic> god hears ya!
[17:08] <Pott> I don't see how anyone could fuck a chick with a head bigger than her ass.
[17:09] <Angelic> and he is pissed at america
[17:09] <Pott> Well with Nancy's genes in there they oughta be the same size.
[17:09] <Angelic> nancy is bald
[17:09] <Angelic> thats a roadkill rat on her head
[17:09] <Pott> A: Really?
[17:09] <reticuli> well guys I am signing off, so feel free to talk about the sophisticated subjects you europeans are so reknowned for....
[17:10] <Angelic> yes good, thank you
[17:10] <DRGREEN> bye reticuli.
[17:10] <DRGREEN> sleep tight.
[17:10] <reticuli> see you later
[17:10] <DRGREEN> I'm going as well.
[17:10] * DRGREEN has quit IRC
[17:10] <reticuli> uhm, its only 5:12 pm here DR
[17:10] <reticuli> later
[17:10] <Angelic> ha
[17:10] * reticuli has quit IRC
[17:10] <Angelic> ha
[17:10] <Angelic> that sucks
[17:12] <onlainari> http://www.detailshere.com/asteroid.htm
[17:12] <Angelic> what is that?
[17:12] <Pott> Nancy went fishing but she didn't realize that the fish pond was between her thighs.
[17:12] <Angelic> lol
[17:12] <onlainari> see it,it's about the asteroid (2019)
[17:13] <onlainari> mother shipton on it aswell :>
[17:13] <Angelic> you should write the best ones down pott, by the end of the year when that 12th planet still hasn't been spotted you can seek a publisher ;)
[17:13] <Ogmios> naah that asteroid is another distraction
[17:14] <Angelic> the mother shipton story is cool, should be made into a movie.
[17:15] <Pott> Nancy and her stupid planet.
[17:15] <Angelic> 'her' story
[17:15] <Angelic> not nancy
[17:15] * HBO has joined #Troubled_Times
[17:15] <Pott> Oh I forgot "The Zeta's"
[17:15] <Pott> Right again
[17:15] <Pott> huhuhuhuhuh
[17:15] <Angelic> nancy makes for a nice case-study for psychology students, maybe we should send invitation emails out to universtities to join the club to observe her
[17:16] <Pott> Cool idea.
[17:16] <Angelic> yes, I'm quite sto.. helping hem graduate
[17:16] <Angelic> it'd be a good gesture
[17:17] <Angelic> imagine this, before charles manson was imprisoned, you got students observing him.. wow, their papers would have been interesting
[17:18] <Angelic> not impying nancy is anything like charles manson, charly did the killing himself, nancy just gives you the reason to kill your soul
[17:23] <Angelic> *sigh* I am not serious, no need to stay in shock lol
[17:24] <Pott> Nancy just needs to top off her retirement money.
[17:25] <Angelic> no that's evil!
[17:25] <Pott> Hopefully she gets busted for fraud and goes to jail.
[17:25] <Pott> Or better yet found insane.
[17:27] <Pott> Then strapped to a table and examined.
[17:28] <Angelic> we should get together 10,000 naturists running nakes through wall street. I wonder if that would influence the stock exchange inside
[17:29] <HBO> Pott: you keep refering to Nancy making money from ZT...you have yet to explain how this is happening.  I know I've never been asked or given anything to TT or ZT, so what do you mean< please?
[17:30] <HBO> btw, hi angelic
[17:30] <Angelic> ehm hi
[17:32] <Pott> HBO look at the book fool
[17:32] <Angelic> her book makes some money, the px vid is too expensive 3 bought it so that makes no money, she does get money from members for the 'non-profit (tt-inc)'.. but ideas don't get practiced.. where does the money go? nancy claims she is poor
[17:33] <Angelic> she got a big house though, with land around it, she mentioned she will soon have a new laptop.. she cna't be that poor, she seems like she eats more than enough, too
[17:34] <Pott> Ignorant beetch
[17:34] <Angelic> me?
[17:34] <Pott> Nancy
[17:34] <Pott> This is probably only phase 1
[17:34] <Pott> We still gotta wait for phase 2 the next book and cheap video.
[17:34] <Angelic> she can't be poor HBO
[17:35] <Angelic> and the zetas are full of shit anyways, my first hand experience
[17:35] <Angelic> her zetas that is
[17:36] <Pott> I just wanna know her stupid ass excuse for 2003 passing without incident.
[17:37] <Pott> It's kinda funny she starts these IRC channels then they turn against her.
[17:37] <Angelic> we got shifted to 4th density, council took vote, zetas were allowed to do so, 12th was in 3rd density, therefor we did not notice its passing?
[17:37] <Pott> Some shit like that.
[17:37] <Pott> It's not hard to make it up Nancy proves that.
[17:37] <Angelic> no
[17:38] <Angelic> 12th planet got "transplanted" to another but very similar solarsystem without any harmful concequence to the inhabitant?
[17:38] <Pott> A million and one excuses.
[17:39] <Angelic> ehmmm, nancy farted and the shockwave pushed away the 12th planet?
[17:39] * Ogmios has quit IRC (Quit ())
[17:39] <Pott> Thats perhaps the most possible.
[17:39] <Angelic> occams razor agrees
[17:40] <Angelic> no, nancy might kill herself
[17:40] <Pott> Nancy must really hate IRC now
[17:40] <Angelic> I think that is the most plausible
[17:40] <Pott> I hope she burns herself.
[17:40] <Pott> Just to prove shes really stupid.
[17:40] <Angelic> funny how there is a 'Nancy Busy' page on zt
[17:41] <Angelic> THE excuse not to act when she don't want to
[17:41] <Pott> Whats it say?
[17:41] <Angelic> sorry I am busy
[17:41] <Angelic> see zt
[17:41] * HBO has left #Troubled_Times
[17:44] <Angelic> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zetabusy.htm
[17:44] <Pott> see zt
[17:44] <Pott> Fuck off
[17:44] <Angelic> that IS what Nancy says, sorry I am busy see zt
[17:45] <Pott> sheesh
[17:45] <Pott> She needs to just fuck off and die
[17:45] <Pott> Maybe we should contact the mental institute closest to her.
[17:46] <Pott> Say we have a "Aliens are taking over the world" case
[17:46] <Pott> LOL
[17:47] <Angelic> heaven's gate leader couldn't be institutionalized, what makes you think they can do so to nancy?
[17:47] <Pott> If they charge her with fraud then they might find her mentally twisted.
[17:48] <Angelic> you could prolly nowadays email the nearest police-station of where Nancy lives
[17:49] <Angelic> just say you give your full cooperation if they have any questions and they will check it out
[17:49] <Angelic> let me know what happened ;)
[17:50] <Angelic> you thinking? or just shocked?
[17:50] <Angelic> bored?
[17:50] <Angelic> sleepy?
[17:51] <Angelic> angry with nanciness?
[17:52] <Pott> Tired
[17:52] <Pott> Been up long
[17:52] <Pott> on little sleep
[17:52] <Pott> Actually I just got a new job today.
[17:52] <Angelic> same here, can't sleep though
[17:52] <Angelic> wow, is it a nice job?
[17:52] <Pott> Yeah a real nice job.
[17:53] <Angelic> what is it?
[17:53] <Pott> Modified vans.
[17:53] <Angelic> cool
[17:53] <Pott> Wheel chair vans that is =)
[17:53] <Angelic> :))
[17:53] <Angelic> oh I thought you meant customized vans
[17:53] <Pott> Liberty Motors
[17:54] <Pott> American company.
[17:54] <Angelic> I am also looking for a new job, still busy with contacting etc.
[17:54] <Pott> I was working at Canadian Tire for the last few days.
[17:54] <Angelic> you did not like it?
[17:54] <Pott> When I got this job I just said fuck going in tonight ;)
[17:55] <Pott> Well why would I want to order pick when I can apply real skills.
[17:55] <Pott> Orderpicking sucks.
[17:56] <Angelic> I did that, too, orderpicking, I somehow could not have any sensible conversation with the other folk who worked there except for one woman ;)
[17:56] <Angelic> the only woman lol.. she looked nice in her tight jeans
[17:56] <Pott> The only thing nice about Canadian Tire is they have a awesome cafeteria.
[17:56] <Angelic> fooooooooooood
[17:57] <Angelic> hehe
[17:57] <Pott> They serve hot food!
[17:57] <Pott> Freshly cooked.
[17:57] <Angelic> that is good
[17:57] <Pott> I'm not suprised considering it is a 250 million dollar facility.
[17:57] <Angelic> but indeed learning new skills and applying real ones makes you feel better at the end of the workingday
[17:58] <Pott> Atleast I am really accomplishing something.
[17:58] * Alla_Xul\idle is now known as Alla_Xul
[17:58] <Pott> Not working towards the dead end.
[17:58] <Alla_Xul> yo people
[17:58] <Angelic> so true
[17:58] <Alla_Xul> whats happening?
[17:58] <Angelic> hi xul
[17:58] <Angelic> just some nancybashing and now we are talking jobs
[17:58] <Angelic> the usual
[17:59] <Alla_Xul> heh
[17:59] <Angelic> hehe
[17:59] <Pott> So I called Canadian Tire and told them that I was coming in tonight.
[17:59] <Pott> Well i'm not going to show just to be an asshole.
[17:59] <Alla_Xul> i didnt know she was talking on irc and stuff
[17:59] <Angelic> hehe
[17:59] <Pott> Besides i've been up the last few days late trying to get this job.
[18:00] <Angelic> you must feel like you are getting what you deserve pott
[18:00] <Pott> Now that I got it Canadian Tire can just be thrown out the window.
[18:00] <Angelic> yeah
[18:00] <Pott> I think I do I tried hard to get the job relentlessly it pays off.
[18:00] <Alla_Xul> "Starting in May, 2003, the earth's rotation will stop within a day and hold
[18:01] <Alla_Xul> for several days just prior to the pole shift. This is when you and your
[18:01] <Alla_Xul> loved ones should be situated at your safe location.
[18:01] <Alla_Xul> "
[18:01] <Alla_Xul> wtf is that about?
[18:01] <Angelic> ehmm yes xul?
[18:01] <Pott> Just complete babble and bullshit.
[18:01] <Angelic> what do you not understand?
[18:01] <Alla_Xul> 'the earths rotation will stop'
[18:02] <Alla_Xul> ..within a day
[18:02] <Pott> It's all garbage.
[18:02] <Alla_Xul> heh
[18:02] <Angelic> oh, that has happened in the past so Nancy uses this in herprefab story about the end of the world
[18:02] <Angelic> i could be wrong though
[18:02] <Alla_Xul> hmm
[18:02] <Pott> If you think Nancy is going to define the intricies of the Cosmos for you then your quite deluded.
[18:02] <Alla_Xul> arent you like, representing that site?
[18:02] * onlainari has quit IRC (onliz@ircnet)
[18:03] <Angelic> no I represent myself in my life and nothing else
[18:03] * FunBot sets mode: +l 17
[18:03] <Alla_Xul> why are you op her then? :P
[18:03] <Angelic> because I rule
[18:03] <Alla_Xul> ah
[18:03] <Pott> Because Nancy's empire is corrupt.
[18:03] <Angelic> not corrupt, just stupid
[18:04] <Angelic> its not an empire pott
[18:04] <Angelic> its a social club
[18:04] <Pott> hehehe
[18:04] <Alla_Xul> heh
[18:04] <Angelic> hehe
[18:05] <Alla_Xul> most of the stuf written on zetatalk can be obtained from other sources
[18:05] <Angelic> true
[18:05] <Angelic> that can mean one of two things
[18:05] <Alla_Xul> someone with a large newage library could make something like that
[18:05] <Angelic> she stole it
[18:05] <Pott> Really we need people like Nancy so we can all point our fingers and say "Your retarded"
[18:05] <Angelic> or zt is the truth
[18:05] <Alla_Xul> though, she or whoever would have done it would have to be quite dedicated
[18:06] <Alla_Xul> Pott: wow, you're deep
[18:06] <Alla_Xul> hmm
[18:06] <Alla_Xul> whoever did the site isnt retarded
[18:07] <Pott> What's Up With Nancy?
[18:07] <Pott> What is the real deal on Nancy/Zetas?
[18:07] <Pott> Nancy Lieder is mentally ill: 42.11%
[18:07] <Pott> Nancy Lieder is a con-artist: 32.46%
[18:07] <Pott> Nancy Lieder speaks the truth: 25.44%
[18:07] <Pott> Total Votes: 114
[18:07] <Pott> hehhehe
[18:07] <Alla_Xul> but i doubt they are super-intelligent beings from another planet
[18:07] <Angelic> if nancy stole it from religions, theories like those from sitchin etc. then it still isn't the truth.. it is quasi-religious and quasi-scientific and quasi-disinfo
[18:07] <Pott> Most people think she is ill in tha heed
[18:07] <Angelic> what heed?
[18:07] <Pott> head
[18:07] <Angelic> what head?
[18:08] <Pott> heed ----  Scotish accent.
[18:08] <Angelic> thats a head on her body?
[18:08] <Alla_Xul> most people are idiots though
[18:08] <Pott> Never mind.
[18:08] <Angelic> I AM
[18:08] <Pott> People like IMO
[18:08] <Angelic> IR IDIOT
[18:08] <Angelic> pott you do not get the joke
[18:08] <Pott> I don't see the point of his little missions.
[18:09] <Angelic> pott, i meant, nancy got no head with a brain.. its not a head
[18:09] <Angelic> its a fucking RADIOSTATION!
[18:09] <Alla_Xul> ..
[18:09] <Alla_Xul> you guys are very funny
[18:09] <Angelic> yes, we do shows to the zt-initiated
[18:10] <Pott> I wish that cocksucking topic could be changed
[18:10] <Angelic> it cant
[18:10] <Pott> I know it sucks bad
[18:10] <Alla_Xul> how old are you?
[18:10] <Angelic> 15
[18:11] <Alla_Xul> Pott?
[18:11] <Pott> 21
[18:11] <Alla_Xul> im 21 too
[18:11] <Pott> When do you turn 22?
[18:11] * Angelic changes topic to 'Pott: "we love nancy, nancy is god, nancy is our saviour"'
[18:11] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Troubled Times Chat: http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm, for the zetatalk IRC Session channel, visit #ZetaTalk more info see http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm'
[18:12] <Angelic> lol
[18:12] <Pott> Angelic: I'm pretty sure you can change the topic on chanserv
[18:12] <Alla_Xul> Pott: why?
[18:12] <Pott> No reason
[18:12] <Angelic> I just tried pott
[18:13] <Pott> Well I mean on chanserv it's self
[18:13] <Alla_Xul> Pott: do you often ask or say things without a reason?
[18:13] <Angelic> i forgot the command line
[18:13] <Pott> Sometimes.
[18:13] <Angelic> I DO
[18:13] <Pott> I'm pretty tired now but I like to talk shit now and again ;)
[18:14] <Alla_Xul> that is pretty much how i define an idiot
[18:14] <Angelic> definintions cant hurt idiots
[18:14] <Pott> Oh well
[18:15] <Alla_Xul> oh, you are defending idocy?
[18:15] <Pott> Then I must be an idiot.
[18:15] <Alla_Xul> idiocy even
[18:15] <Pott> Big deal.
[18:15] <Angelic> idocy is what exactly?
[18:15] <Alla_Xul> idiocy
[18:15] <Pott> idiotcy.
[18:15] <Angelic> what?
[18:15] <Alla_Xul> idiot-ism
[18:15] <Pott> Sexual Predatorism.
[18:15] <Angelic> define that alla
[18:16] <Alla_Xul> i defined my view of what an idiot is
[18:16] <Alla_Xul> you should be able to guess what an idiot is then
[18:16] <Angelic> share it with the group
[18:16] <Alla_Xul> though
[18:16] <Alla_Xul> if you are an idiot it would be a waste of time trying to tell you anything anywas ;)
[18:16] <Angelic> open up to us, we are your friends
[18:17] <Pott> We're only idiots hhehe
[18:17] <Alla_Xul> are there no people here who has something to do with the trouble of times page/group?
[18:17] <Angelic> I do
[18:17] <Alla_Xul> uh okay
[18:17] <Angelic> do you?
[18:18] <Alla_Xul> any non idiots above 15 years olds?
[18:18] <Pott> I really think TT is a good idea but is influenced incorrectly.
[18:18] <Alla_Xul> old
[18:18] <Angelic> I make more sense than you bud
[18:18] <Alla_Xul> you said you where the idiot.
[18:18] <Angelic> i didn't
[18:18] <Alla_Xul> english isnt my native tounge.
[18:19] <Alla_Xul> Angelic: perhaps not
[18:19] <Angelic> we are not talking english
[18:19] <Alla_Xul> i am
[18:19] <Angelic> this is amican-english
[18:19] <Angelic> american
[18:19] <Pott> You speak english well.
[18:19] <Alla_Xul> it is the same language
[18:19] <Angelic> no it isn't
[18:19] <Alla_Xul> except for some minor slang words
[18:19] <Pott> Or can just read and write it hehe
[18:19] <Alla_Xul> and expressions
[18:19] <Alla_Xul> i learned english, not american
[18:19] <Angelic> then its not the same einstein
[18:20] <Pott> Whats a slang word?
[18:20] <Pott> Slang word in your view.
[18:20] <Alla_Xul> Angelic: it is the same language
[18:20] <Angelic> ain't happenin' <--- slang
[18:20] <Angelic> it is not happening <-- english
[18:20] <Alla_Xul> american is a dialect of enlish sorof
[18:20] <Pott> That's normal.
[18:20] <Pott> I think proper english has lost it's place.
[18:21] <Angelic> quite
[18:21] <Alla_Xul> who cares
[18:21] <Angelic> you do
[18:21] <Alla_Xul> no
[18:21] <Angelic> you started this
[18:21] <Alla_Xul> hah
[18:21] <Pott> It don't fuckin matter
[18:21] <Alla_Xul> you did
[18:21] <Angelic> you opposed me so started a discussion
[18:21] <Alla_Xul> [03:26] <Angelic> we are not talking english
[18:21] <Alla_Xul> ^ that started it
[18:21] <Pott> Anglais.
[18:22] <Angelic> no, your oppsoing comment started a discussion
[18:22] <Angelic> opposing
[18:22] <Alla_Xul> no
[18:22] <Angelic> yes
[18:22] <Alla_Xul> you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it you did started it
[18:22] <Pott> Vit baar vorten a artiscosi
[18:22] <Alla_Xul> hah
[18:22] <Angelic> you had the choice not to comment
[18:22] <Alla_Xul> Pott: you from holland?
[18:22] <Pott> No
[18:22] <Angelic> you made the choice to make an opposing comment, therefore you started a discussion
[18:23] <Pott> I made it up
[18:23] <Pott> How about.... Istannorpestort istalacabla
[18:23] * Alla_Xul yawns
[18:23] <Alla_Xul> ergrathous berwan
[18:23] <Angelic> how about: alla_xul is een grote oelewapper
[18:23] <Alla_Xul> Angelic: de keso int gurgul trenfamoro
[18:24] <Alla_Xul> öalksd ölaksokeokeergh hoif påwer ¨å
[18:24] <Alla_Xul> bbl
[18:24] <Angelic> at least I used a real language
[18:24] <Pott> Or pronguy trongra
[18:24] <Angelic> seems like jive
[18:29] <Angelic> this is one classy channel Pott
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[18:46] <Angelic> is it beetle or beatle? the bug type
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[19:40] <agentPX> hey guygs
[19:40] <agentPX> guys
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[19:41] <agentPX> i have a bad news
[19:41] <mikeaus> you do?
[19:41] <agentPX> we all know PX is not coming in 2003.. maybe in 2012 but...
[19:41] <agentPX> even if PX comes or not in 2003 or 2012
[19:41] <mikeaus> no, we all know it's coming
[19:41] <agentPX> we're probably going to be killed in 2019 :(
[19:41] <agentPX> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/24/asteroid.nt7/index.html
[19:41] <agentPX> by an asteroid coming to earth
[19:42] <mikeaus> that's bs
[19:42] <mikeaus> a distraction
[19:42] <agentPX> hkmm
[19:42] <agentPX> just read the articl
[19:42] <mikeaus> "look ANYWHERE but in Orion!" :NASA
[19:42] <mikeaus> I've read it,this morning.
[19:43] <mikeaus> if you check back, years ago Nancy said distractions were planned
[19:43] <agentPX> we're doomed :(
[19:43] <mikeaus> you've still got time :)
[19:43] <agentPX> hehehehe
[19:44] <mikeaus> ppl who deny PX, but still hang around here, fascinate me
[19:44] <mikeaus> it seems they mask their fear with banter and jibes
[19:45] <mikeaus> deep down they know it's true, but can't cope with it
[19:45] <agentPX> i dont deny PX :)
[19:45] <agentPX> i deny PX 2003
[19:45] <agentPX> :D
[19:45] <mikeaus> all evidence points to 2003
[19:45] <agentPX> nah
[19:45] <mikeaus> Nancy has explained about the Mayan calendar
[19:45] <agentPX> nancy has explained lots of things false
[19:45] <mikeaus> it's off because years were lost after the last pole shift
[19:46] <agentPX> she said in 95-97 that in 2001 we would have lots of problems with cells phones
[19:46] <agentPX> which asnt been true
[19:46] <agentPX> at this point now in july we should see beams and others things as nancys said earlier
[19:46] <agentPX> and NOW
[19:46] <mikeaus> it has, actually.....satellites are going offline, but you only hear of a couple.
[19:46] <mikeaus> beams??
[19:46] <agentPX> hmmm it wasnt what she predicted
[19:46] <agentPX> and NOW can you tell me why she can talk with the zetas, but cant ask them for the coords of PX ? :p
[19:47] <mikeaus> you can't hold her to ABSOLUTE accuracy...seems ppl expect nothing but 100% perfection from her, which isn't rational.
[19:47] <mikeaus> yes i can:
[19:48] <agentPX> ok
[19:48] <mikeaus> NASA wants her to give the coords, so that they can publish photos which will be LIGHT POLLUTED (as she has stated repeatedly), and then say "see, she's wrong!"
[19:48] <agentPX> im listening
[19:48] <agentPX> bah cmon
[19:49] <mikeaus> Orion is too close to the horizon now
[19:49] <agentPX> somes peoples in here like Jurian or Jan have scopes
[19:49] <agentPX> they could observe pX if its really coming
[19:49] <mikeaus> check it for yourself
[19:49] <mikeaus> nope, there's too much light pollution
[19:49] <mikeaus> it's too dim
[19:49] <mikeaus> in September/October, you'll be able to see it
[19:50] <agentPX> bah
[19:50] <mikeaus> I'm thinking of getting a 402 powered scope
[19:50] <mikeaus> in reality, tho, I don't need to
[19:50] <agentPX> i believe more in  the 2019  asteroids or in the 2012 PX
[19:50] <mikeaus>  have enough evidence
[19:51] <mikeaus> cause it's more convenient? amazing how ppl want to make things conform to their schedule!
[19:51] <agentPX> well
[19:51] <agentPX> actually its because its more logic
[19:51] <mikeaus> where's the evidence for 2012?
[19:52] <mikeaus> or today's asteroid?
[19:52] <agentPX> have you seen any REAL evidence of PX up to now ?
[19:52] <agentPX> REAL
[19:52] <agentPX> nancys said in 95 we would know about it in 2001..
[19:52] <mikeaus> plenty...geophysical, historical, astronomical etc etc
[19:52] <agentPX> then 6 months ago she said in mid 2002 we will be able to see it
[19:52] <mikeaus> political
[19:52] <agentPX> then in august
[19:52] <mikeaus> sociological
[19:52] <agentPX> now shes going for december
[19:53] <mikeaus> we DID see it midyear
[19:53] <agentPX> hmmm
[19:53] <mikeaus> thus the photos
[19:53] <agentPX> IMO prove it was fake
[19:53] <mikeaus> but very dim
[19:53] <agentPX> didnt you read his site ?
[19:53] <mikeaus> IMO is a NASA lackey, and he did nothing of the sort
[19:53] <mikeaus> yes, I did, it's utter rubbish
[19:53] <mikeaus> read the sciastro log
[19:53] <agentPX> well actually he comes with evidence
[19:53] <agentPX> and arguments
[19:54] <agentPX> and pictures
[19:54] <mikeaus> evidence that YOU can't check on.
[19:54] <mikeaus> picture that he can doctor
[19:54] <agentPX> the only evidence i saw from nancys was somes pics with circles in it but i wasnt able to see anything there
[19:54] <mikeaus> pictures
[19:54] <mikeaus> it's very dim, but the latest photos show something
[19:55] <agentPX> dont you agree she said earlier it has a magnitude or 20 or 25 and now shes saying so,mething like 2 or 5
[19:56] <mikeaus> she/Zetas explain that.....matter of relativity of magnitude.
[19:56] <agentPX> i dont know mike
[19:56] <agentPX> she's changing often of argument
[19:56] <agentPX> and point of view
[19:56] <agentPX> when things changed
[19:57] <agentPX> back in 95 it was easy 2003, was far
[19:57] <agentPX> but now its coming soon
[19:57] <mikeaus> I'd like hard evidence, too
[19:57] <mikeaus> but sometimes you have to follow your gut instinct
[19:57] <mikeaus> still, we'll know soon enough
[19:57] <mikeaus> either way
[19:57] <agentPX> i agree with you shes doing a great and hard work, lots of good arguments and lots of stuff... great work... but its not enought and i can feel its not coming now
[19:58] <mikeaus> by Feb/March 2003
[19:58] <agentPX> like lots of members in here
[19:58] <mikeaus> I dunno, I think ppl are getting scared
[19:58] <mikeaus> because it's suddenly very real
[19:58] <agentPX> not really
[19:58] <agentPX> because the world hasnt change since last year
[19:59] <mikeaus> previously it's been all speculation, but now they are spooked
[19:59] <mikeaus> it hasn't??!
[19:59] <agentPX> no
[19:59] <mikeaus> poiltically it has
[19:59] <mikeaus> politically
[19:59] <agentPX> bah
[19:59] <agentPX> ok temperatures are higher.. but thats normal
[19:59] <mikeaus> and we are having bad crop losses here
[19:59] <agentPX> since 10 years or more its getting higher..
[19:59] <agentPX> PX cant be put on that
[19:59] <mikeaus> yes
[20:00] <agentPX> no
[20:00] <mikeaus> ocean in rising
[20:00] <mikeaus> is
[20:00] <agentPX> thats not enough Mike, we all know the sun is in a period of having more hydrogen
[20:00] <mikeaus> more volcanoes active
[20:00] <agentPX> so the sun is warmer than before
[20:00] <agentPX> it has been prove
[20:00] <mikeaus> but how do you KNOW that? you don't...only by what NASA TELLS you!
[20:01] <agentPX> yeah but cmon.. you read the article about the 2019 asteroids.. it comes from CNN
[20:01] <mikeaus> the sun excuse is lame...ZT debunks it well
[20:01] <agentPX> dont you think CNN, or ZD, or any famoust post will have talk about pX, if it was really coming
[20:01] <mikeaus> I trust CNN about as far as I can throw them
[20:01] <mikeaus> they are the main propaganda channel, since the Gulf War
[20:02] <mikeaus> so no,I'd expect them to cover it up
[20:02] <mikeaus> where abouts r u located?
[20:03] <mikeaus> US?
[20:03] <agentPX> CND
[20:03] <mikeaus> Canada?
[20:04] <agentPX> CaNaDa
[20:04] <agentPX> hehehehe
[20:04] <mikeaus> hehe
[20:04] <mikeaus> you're in a good spot
[20:04] <agentPX> yeah
[20:04] <mikeaus> just get some camping gear and away you go
[20:04] <agentPX> well actually im a little bit to the east
[20:04] <agentPX> but i can move to the west we have plenty of space here...
[20:04] <agentPX> hehehe
[20:04] <mikeaus> if it doesn't happen, you will have had a cool camping trip :)
[20:04] <mikeaus> yeah you do-so do we!
[20:04] <agentPX> yep :)
[20:05] <agentPX> aaussie?
[20:05] <mikeaus> yep
[20:05] <mikeaus> problem is,I'm on the west coast! ahhhhhh
[20:05] <mikeaus> but I've linked up with a group
[20:05] <mikeaus> over east
[20:05] <mikeaus> so I'm gonna bug out early 2003
[20:06] <agentPX> well
[20:06] <agentPX> if you want a good advice
[20:06] <agentPX> wait until you see real evidence
[20:06] <agentPX> before moving :D
[20:06] <mikeaus> hehe yeah I'm going to :)
[20:07] <mikeaus> not moving til I can see it, clearly, throug a scope
[20:07] <agentPX> good
[20:08] <agentPX> i dont need a scope just waiting for someone to spot it and see somes pics
[20:08] <mikeaus> ok....I'd rather see it for myself...if possible.
[20:08] <mikeaus> but i'm sure there'll be pics beginning Oct/Nov
[20:08] <mikeaus> if not, then I WILL get suspicious
[20:09] <agentPX> how long will you wait
[20:09] <agentPX> for pX
[20:09] <agentPX> for evidence
[20:09] <agentPX> until you throw away the 2003 idea
[20:09] <mikeaus> well, it's the other way round.....waiting until I can see it,or til it's clearly photographed.
[20:10] <mikeaus> planning to move in late Jan,early Feb
[20:10] <mikeaus> if no photos by then,I probably won't go
[20:10] <agentPX> ok
[20:10] <agentPX> if no photos in the 10-17 december...
[20:11] <agentPX> no way its coming
[20:11] <agentPX> september should be a good month to start to seek it
[20:11] <mikeaus> yeah I'll be sus if no photos by then
[20:11] <mikeaus> yep
[20:12] <agentPX> would you be happy if pX is coming?
[20:12] <agentPX> im saying this because someone yersterday said that , he would not have any reason to live if PX is not coming next year..
[20:12] <mikeaus> well, i kind of hope it is, even tho I'm scared
[20:13] <mikeaus> because the world's a mess
[20:13] <agentPX> yeah
[20:13] <mikeaus> corporations destroying the enironment
[20:13] <mikeaus> population out of control
[20:13] <mikeaus> PX will stop that
[20:13] <agentPX> and you think the order will be restablished if PX comes
[20:13] <mikeaus> sounds terrible, i know,but there it is
[20:14] <mikeaus> the natural order, yes
[20:14] <agentPX> you think peoples will be "in control"
[20:14] <agentPX> hmmm
[20:14] <agentPX> not sure
[20:14] <mikeaus> no
[20:14] <mikeaus> will be very few ppl left
[20:14] <mikeaus> and due to the change on the spiritual side, government won't re-establish
[20:14] <mikeaus> they may try, but will fail
[20:15] <mikeaus> the way i see it,they are parasites
[20:15] <mikeaus> what use is a politician?
[20:15] <mikeaus> none
[20:16] <agentPX> well
[20:16] <agentPX> a politician there to give back the order and takes decision...
[20:16] <agentPX> if no politician=chaos
[20:17] <mikeaus> hehe i disagree.....that's how they justify their existence...by making ppl believe that they're a mob who needs a ruler
[20:17] <agentPX> hehehe well i believe in this anyway
[20:17] <mikeaus> i don't believe that...i think ppl have more integrity than that
[20:17] <agentPX> democracy is good
[20:17] <mikeaus> i agree
[20:17] <agentPX> someone is taking decisions but its the peoples decisions
[20:18] <agentPX> at the end
[20:18] <mikeaus> but not the way most countries have it
[20:18] <agentPX> well its "suppose" to be
[20:18] <mikeaus> yes,problem is, psitions of pwer attract the wrong sort of ppl
[20:18] <agentPX> yeah...
[20:18] <mikeaus> and also the bankers basically have the real power
[20:19] <mikeaus> sper-rich families,like the rockefellers
[20:19] <mikeaus> super-rich
[20:19] <agentPX> yeah capitalism sucks
[20:19] <mikeaus> it does
[20:19] <mikeaus> exploits the poor
[20:19] <mikeaus> so as far as I'm concerned, if PX ends all that,then good
[20:20] <mikeaus> it'll be horrifying in the short-term
[20:20] <mikeaus> but in the long term very good
[20:20] <agentPX> hehehe yeah..
[20:21] <agentPX> anyway now you have to see it you really think PX is coming in 2003 because thats what you desire in your mind...
[20:21] <agentPX> but thats another story..
[20:21] <agentPX> i think there is lots of psychology also..
[20:21] <agentPX> but i have to go
[20:21] <mikeaus> me too
[20:21] <agentPX> talk to ya later
[20:21] <mikeaus> catch you another time
[20:21] <agentPX> than
[20:21] <mikeaus> bye :)
[20:21] <agentPX> thanx
[20:21] <agentPX> byebye
[20:21] <agentPX> :)
[20:21] <mikeaus> :)
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[20:48] <LE_RENARD__> greetings, zetadrones
[20:48] <SnookPoon> hello
[20:50] <SnookPoon> Anyone there?
[20:51] <Alla_Xul> almost
[20:52] <SnookPoon> almost what?
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[20:54] <Alla_Xul> here
[20:54] <SnookPoon> Oh...OK
[20:55] <SnookPoon> So...How goes it Alla_Xul?
[20:58] <SnookPoon> T-1:00 and counting
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[21:37] <SnookPoon> !seen monk
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[22:02] <SnookPoon> Art Bell has earth core nuclear fission and Mars as subject tonight
[22:03] <SnookPoon> anybody gonna listen
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[22:03] <SnookPoon> hey
[22:03] <SnookPoon> Art Bell has earth core nuclear fission and Mars as subject tonight
[22:03] <SnookPoon> <SnookPoon> anybody gonna listen
[22:04] <SnookPoon> Last night was pretty good...he had an edgar casey guy
[22:04] <SnookPoon> He tlked about the pole shift
[22:04] <SnookPoon> talked
[22:05] <Alla_Xul> hm
[22:06] <SnookPoon> whhhat?
[22:06] <Alla_Xul> is he on now?
[22:06] <SnookPoon> 2 min
[22:06] <Alla_Xul> an
[22:06] <Alla_Xul> ah
[22:06] <Alla_Xul> nice
[22:07] <SnookPoon> Alla you here in the US
[22:07] <SnookPoon> or in Europe?
[22:07] <Alla_Xul> im in Sweden
[22:08] <SnookPoon> You can stream it for free
[22:08] <djtrypt> hello
[22:08] <SnookPoon> hey
[22:08] <djtrypt> my grandma always used to listen to art bell every night
[22:08] <Alla_Xul> SnookPoon: yeah i know
[22:08] <djtrypt> my mom does too,
[22:08] <SnookPoon> good
[22:08] <djtrypt> she passed on though
[22:08] <SnookPoon> sorry
[22:08] <djtrypt> about 1.5 months ago
[22:09] <djtrypt> i had another strange dream
[22:09] <djtrypt> last night
[22:09] <djtrypt> that continues the one i left off wit two days ago
[22:09] <Alla_Xul> hmm
[22:09] <SnookPoon> Oh no, what this time?
[22:09] <Alla_Xul> you apparently has to register
[22:10] <djtrypt> did i tell you about where the last one left off
[22:10] <SnookPoon> OK last time it was H=Life and E=Death
[22:10] <SnookPoon> He
[22:10] <djtrypt> yeah the one b4 that one
[22:10] <SnookPoon> no
[22:10] <SnookPoon> the Pope right?
[22:12] <Alla_Xul> You can choose Art Bell's Streamlink for just $6.95 each month, $29.95 for 6 months, or $54.95 for 12 months.
[22:12] <Alla_Xul> wtf is that about?
[22:12] <djtrypt> to summ up what happened i escaped from a jail with some of my friends, i stole a car with my present girlfriend, then stumbled upon this house in the middle of the woods, i ate some food, andt he next thing i knew i was trippin, i ran back out into the woods, and saw an elf, i chasxed him and chased him, then one materialize out of a tree, and showed me how to make a ball of light, EOFirstdream
[22:12] <SnookPoon> Screw that it's free
[22:12] <SnookPoon> !!!!
[22:13] <SnookPoon> Dream right?
[22:13] <Alla_Xul> its not free
[22:13] <djtrypt> the next night i walked back to the house, forgetting how the el;f made the ball of ligfht i left the house and walked to the train tracks as what the ppl at the house told me to do
[22:13] <SnookPoon> Yes....Don't pay
[22:14] <SnookPoon> He's a greedy bastard!!
[22:14] <djtrypt> i went to the train tracks and some cops where there following me from when i escaped the jail
[22:14] <SnookPoon> Go to his site and look up affiliate stations
[22:14] <Alla_Xul> what do you mean 'dont pay'
[22:14] <Alla_Xul> ofcourse i wont, but i still cant listen
[22:15] <SnookPoon> Look for the Jacksonville, Florida station and click on listen live!
[22:15] <djtrypt> i ran onto a train and escaped across some river on a brigde. i never managed to gget on the train
[22:16] <SnookPoon> Infra Red Image of Sedonia
[22:16] <djtrypt> that was the end of my dream on monday, then last night i continued that same dream and ran to a house next to the same river i escaped over, i went into the house, and my present girlfriend was in the house escaping the same ppl, supposed this was an escapie house, and many many many ppl lived there, it was a pretty large house, i think 3 stories
[22:18] <djtrypt> neways this guy came in and told us that there was a nuclear bomb heading our way, and that the only safe place was to go down the basement, which for some strange reason had three subterainien stories
[22:18] <djtrypt> as well
[22:18] <djtrypt> i managed to get to the bottom floor in the nick of time, i was running top the farthest corner
[22:18] <SnookPoon> So called man on mars image
[22:18] <djtrypt> and the shockwave went over us
[22:18] <SnookPoon> sorry
[22:19] <djtrypt> and destroyedt he bouse and the floor above us
[22:19] <SnookPoon> so called face on mars
[22:19] <djtrypt> and all went black in my dream, and then wook up in my dream in some rubble, and my friends and my girlfriend where survivors of the blast
[22:19] <djtrypt> amoungst some other ppl
[22:19] <djtrypt> i did not know
[22:19] <djtrypt> it was sooo strange
[22:20] <SnookPoon> cool
[22:20] <djtrypt> i wonder if it will continue tonight as well
[22:20] <SnookPoon> I wish I had good dreams like that
[22:20] <djtrypt> they are scary
[22:20] <djtrypt> b ut too real to wake up
[22:20] <djtrypt> so i live out the dream
[22:20] <djtrypt> till i get wooken up
[22:22] <SnookPoon> who wakes you up?
[22:25] <SnookPoon> You getting it Alla?
[22:27] <djtrypt> hummm
[22:27] <djtrypt> usually my girlfriend rolls over and pushes me over, or my cell phone will ring at like 1pm waking us up
[22:27] <SnookPoon> Are you listening to this too Dj?
[22:28] <djtrypt> no im makin music
[22:28] <djtrypt> and listen to what
[22:28] <SnookPoon> This is a good one...NASA aand new photos on the face on Mars
[22:28] <SnookPoon> Art Bell
[22:29] <djtrypt> no
[22:29] <djtrypt> i just dl it tomorow if it good enough
[22:30] <SnookPoon> Do you pay the greedy guy?
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[22:32] <SnookPoon> bummer
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[22:47] <SnookPoon> Boy....He a really makes a good case for NASA coverup
[22:53] <SnookPoon> yeahhh
[22:54] <SnookPoon> the rest of the storey
[22:54] <SnookPoon> story
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[23:06] <SnookPoon> Laaaaaa..Later!
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[23:33] <Niels> hi
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