Session Start: Thu Jul 25 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[01:03] <djtrypt> life sux, and i hope the world destroys itself, and our evil oppressing culture as well.
[01:04] <djtrypt> g'night
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[03:55] <ppp_hax> anyone ehre
[03:55] <ppp_hax> ?
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[05:09] <obany> hoi
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[05:45] <obany> hi
[05:46] <onlainari> hi
[06:51] <obany> back ... friend of mine came to visit me ... and took a walk
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[07:34] <obaway> i will return later
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[07:55] <TheViking> What's happening?
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[10:01] <Magnetos> Hello..?
[10:02] <Magnetos> Oh, you guys must have been victim of infamous Zeta mindsuck.
[10:02] <monk> hi
[10:02] <monk> huh?
[10:02] <Magnetos> Hi, monk..how are you doing today?
[10:02] <monk> pretty good
[10:02] <Magnetos> That's good..
[10:02] <monk> how about you
[10:02] <Magnetos> So do you believe that this pole shift is going to occur as the Zetas predicted?
[10:03] <Magnetos> I'm doing pretty well--t/y.
[10:03] <monk> yes
[10:03] <Magnetos> Hmm, I see..
[10:03] <Magnetos> May I ask why you believe that?
[10:04] <monk> alot of proof
[10:04] <monk> and the Zetas make good points on alot of things beside planet x
[10:04] <Magnetos> I've heard so many opinions on the subject that I'm not sure of what to believe.
[10:05] <monk> I read alot of the zeta pages
[10:05] <monk> and all of it makes sense to me
[10:06] <Magnetos> Right, and I've read a lot of them as well, and I've heard a lot of opinions that counter the opinions of the Zetas..and still make sense.
[10:06] <Magnetos> Initially, I was a firm believer..but now I think I need more definitive proof.
[10:07] <Magnetos> But I guess I'll be able to get that come fall of this year and beyond.
[10:08] <monk> yea
[10:08] <Magnetos> And I'm making preparations just in case and assembled a group of people in my area..
[10:08] <Magnetos> But now I'm lead to believe that the pole shift doesn't have to happen as violently as the Zetas say..
[10:09] <monk> what do people think when u tell them about the pole shift
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[10:44] <obaway> hoi Jurian :)
[10:45] <obaway> en met kabelfoon :P
[10:45] <obaway> hoe bestaat het :P
[10:45] <Jurian> jaja :)
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[10:45] <obaway> alles kits ?
[10:45] <Jurian> jep
[10:46] <Jurian> lange reis.. :)
[10:46] <obaway> tja ... hoe laat kwam je aan in NL dan ?
[10:46] <Jurian> uurtje geleden :p
[10:46] <Jurian> 2 dagen onderweg
[10:47] <obaway> neem je onderweg zeker nog een pauze ?
[10:48] <Jurian> jah in motelletje geslapen
[10:48] <obaway> aha
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[10:51] <obaway> zo ik ga ff de douce in ... laters
[10:52] <obaway> en dan mischien straks ff naar Bulent
[10:52] <Jurian> okee
[10:55] <monk> keke
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[11:05] <monk> hi dr
[11:05] <DRGREEN> Hi.
[11:06] <DRGREEN> So monk, you're interested in monks?
[11:06] <DRGREEN> shaolin or some sort?
[11:07] <monk> im just called monk because im just like kick back
[11:07] <monk> I dont talk much
[11:07] <monk> thats why they called me monk
[11:07] <monk> I was thinking about becoming a monk
[11:09] <monk> are you a doctor ?
[11:10] <monk> doctor green thumb
[11:13] <DRGREEN> yes, that's where the nick is from.
[11:14] <monk> cypress hill is good
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[11:15] <DRGREEN> well, some songs are, but usually very boring kind of music.
[11:15] <DRGREEN> But I'm no docter no.
[11:16] <DRGREEN> So monk, what are your opinions about 2003?
[11:16] <monk> I think alot of people will suffer
[11:17] <monk> and alot of earth changes
[11:17] <monk> and a pole shift
[11:18] <DRGREEN> So you think 2003 is the date?
[11:18] <DRGREEN> I'm not sure.
[11:18] <DRGREEN> It sounds like reality.
[11:18] <DRGREEN> But what if the Zeta's are wrong?
[11:18] <DRGREEN> I want to be sure.
[11:19] <DRGREEN> Hey, have you ever heard of Malachi Z. York?
[11:19] <monk> no
[11:19] <monk> I dont think the zetas are wrong
[11:20] <DRGREEN> He already said way back in 1993 that Nibiru would return in 2003, Yet Nancy claimes Zetatalk is the only 2003 source.
[11:20] <DRGREEN> Till so far the Z's have been right on everything.
[11:21] <monk> was he pyshic ?
[11:21] <DRGREEN> But what if they are evil? What if they feed on fear, to make sure the transformation to a higher density does not take place?
[11:21] <DRGREEN> Malachi is some kind of priest, he's famous in the rap, R&B and hiphop scene.
[11:22] <DRGREEN> He's a member of the Black Panther society, and preaches a lot about the NWO and the coming changes.
[11:22] <monk> well the zetas claim to be service to others
[11:23] <monk> I have no fear of planet x or the pole shift
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[11:23] <DRGREEN> yeah, but a criminal could say to court he was innocent, and because a lack of proof he can get away with it.
[11:23] <DRGREEN> While he truly was guilty,
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[11:23] <DRGREEN> I have no fear, just insecurity.
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[11:24] <cmel> hi
[11:24] <monk> hi
[11:24] <DRGREEN> I wish to help people, but how to help if the information is wrong?
[11:24] <DRGREEN> hi.
[11:24] <monk> the information isn't wrong
[11:24] <cmel> hi mon drgreen
[11:24] <cmel> ¨monk
[11:24] <cmel>  sorry
[11:24] <DRGREEN> Why isn't it?
[11:25] <DRGREEN> Why is it right?
[11:25] <DRGREEN> Till now, the Z's have always been right in my opinion, but that does not take away the doubts I have about 2003.
[11:25] <monk> i believe they talk about the turth
[11:26] <DRGREEN> maybe it is fear, I don't know. Fear for the loved ones I will lose if I survive.
[11:26] <DRGREEN> But I wish to be there for others.
[11:27] <cmel> ¨me too
[11:28] <monk> I wanna help others but they will think im crazy or influenced by satan
[11:29] <cmel> I know what you mean, because I think that as well
[11:29] <DRGREEN> haha. Satan.
[11:29] <cmel> who ??
[11:30] <DRGREEN> beelzebub is alreaady here, talk to sapphire haha.
[11:30] <cmel> oh you mean lucifer ??
[11:30] <monk> my grandma think everything thats not what she believes is by satan heh
[11:31] <cmel> heh
[11:32] <cmel> but angels will come down and save us !!!
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[11:32] <ukuz> hi
[11:32] <monk> hi
[11:33] <cmel> maybe you, but not me because I'm an ateist
[11:33] <cmel> hi ukuz
[11:33] <monk> well angels might save us sometimes or watching over us
[11:33] <monk> to protect us
[11:33] <cmel> not me though
[11:33] <monk> why not
[11:33] <cmel> I don't believe
[11:34] <monk> I see spirits all around
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[11:34] <monk> they are watching u at this moment
[11:34] <cmel> HI RUNE
[11:34] <monk> even if u dont believe in them
[11:34] <cmel> sorry caps
[11:34] <DRGREEN> What do you not belive CMEL?
[11:35] <DRGREEN> Not in angels, or spirits or ghosts?
[11:35] <cmel> in cristianity
[11:35] <DRGREEN> aha. Christianity sucks allright, but that doesn't mean the bible does not speak truth.
[11:35] <monk> I look at the pole shift as a positive thing
[11:36] <cmel> the bible is a part if christianity
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[11:36] <DRGREEN> No, Christianity made it part of it.
[11:36] <cmel> but admitted the bible speaks a lot of truth
[11:36] <DRGREEN> Bible is hugely based on the older, more accurate and scientific Sumerian texts.
[11:37] <cmel> yes, I think we agree
[11:37] <DRGREEN> But the bible does make clear what evil and good is, I think.
[11:37] <DRGREEN> Jesus was a good man.
[11:37] <cmel> perhaps
[11:37] <cmel> yes I think he was
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[11:38] <DRGREEN> But the adam and eve story of the bible make no sense.
[11:38] <cmel> hi onlainari
[11:38] <DRGREEN> The sumerian texts go into detail on this.
[11:38] <cmel> difficult name
[11:38] <onlainari> hi cmel
[11:38] <cmel> yes drgreen
[11:38] <cmel> I agree
[11:39] <DRGREEN> So, you belive in spirits?
[11:39] <DRGREEN> Monk, you truly SEE them?
[11:39] <monk> yes
[11:39] <DRGREEN> as in physical form, or energy in differing colors?
[11:39] <cmel> according to sithcin
[11:39] <monk> well they are not pyshical
[11:39] <cmel> they wrote a lot more than that
[11:40] <cmel> drgreen
[11:40] <DRGREEN> well, Sitchin is THE ONLY translator of the old texts who doesn't just brush away the evidence, Like the spaceships on paintings and little clay statues.
[11:40] <monk> i see them as energy orbs shadow people different colors
[11:40] <cmel> yes I believe in spirits
[11:41] <cmel> yes, I'm in awe about his translations too
[11:42] <DRGREEN> Other people who try to translate the Sumerian texts are influenced by the system wich does not allow spaceships and extraterrestrials, so to get good grades you don't believe in them.
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[11:43] <cmel> thats it I think DRGREEN
[11:43] <cmel> hi reticuli
[11:43] <reticuli> hi
[11:43] <DRGREEN> hi.
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Session Close: Thu Jul 25 11:43:45 2002

Session Start: Thu Jul 25 11:46:39 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[11:46] * Topic is 'Troubled Times Chat: http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm, for the zetatalk IRC Session channel, visit #ZetaTalk more info see http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm'
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[11:46] <reticuli> i'll check there
[11:46] <monk> the rest are just orbs and shadows
[11:46] <cmel> k
[11:47] <DRGREEN> Some sort of clouds I guess?
[11:47] <reticuli> Saphhy,  can download the entire file and play it off my hardrive instead of streaming it
[11:47] <monk> sometimes
[11:47] <DRGREEN> So, you had this from a child, or did you train your abillity?
[11:47] <sapphire> ?
[11:47] <monk> past year i started seeing them
[11:47] <cmel> have anyone of u seen small=tiny lights  in you'r room ???
[11:48] <reticuli> have you cmel?
[11:48] <cmel> I have
[11:48] <reticuli> what coor?
[11:48] <reticuli> color
[11:48] <DRGREEN> Yeah, I had fireflies once in my room.
[11:48] <cmel> white
[11:48] <monk> I believe im evolving thats why i see them
[11:48] <ukuz> Can anybody explain this about Hale Bopp?
[11:48] <cmel> hehe drgr
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[11:48] <ukuz> http://www.zetatalk.com/halebopp/hb000014.htm
[11:48] <cmel> what halebopp thing
[11:49] <monk> I actually can controll them
[11:49] <DRGREEN> What;s wrong with it Ukuz?
[11:49] <ukuz> She refused to beleive it exist
[11:49] <cmel> good monk, I cant
[11:49] <monk> or they react to me heh
[11:49] <ukuz> hehe
[11:49] <DRGREEN> Well, it did'nt, but than it did.
[11:49] <DRGREEN> Cool monk. You can use this energy?
[11:49] <ukuz> no, she refused to view it
[11:50] <monk> yes
[11:50] <ukuz> hehe
[11:50] <cmel> can you teach
[11:50] <cmel> monk
[11:50] <DRGREEN> Could you send some to me to make me feel stronger? hehe.
[11:50] <DRGREEN> So, you also feel this energy, or has it no conciousness?
[11:50] <ukuz> Ms. Lieder refused to go out and see it, Why?
[11:50] <DRGREEN> Bacause
[11:51] <DRGREEN> It wouldn't matter
[11:51] <cmel> oh
[11:51] <monk> I dont know they are all around me all the time
[11:51] <DRGREEN> or make a difference.
[11:51] <monk> thousands
[11:51] <ukuz> well Billions seen it, Minus one
[11:51] <ukuz> hehe
[11:51] <cmel> you see the blue lights as well ??
[11:51] <monk> I never seen blue lights
[11:51] <cmel> I see them every day
[11:51] <monk> but once one turned into green and purple
[11:52] <monk> what do u see cmel
[11:52] <DRGREEN> According to Nancy, Halebopp was a diversion, but when many questions aroze, the public was suddenly pointed to an existing object.
[11:52] <cmel> once a red one turned yellow and then turned green
[11:52] <DRGREEN> So that Halebopp would be real, and the public would think Nancy is crazy.
[11:52] <cmel> sorry
[11:52] <cmel> hehe
[11:53] <cmel> small dots of even white or intense blue
[11:53] <ukuz> Dang buddy, youre really sold on this thing arent ya?
[11:53] <cmel> monk
[11:53] <monk> only time i see the orbs is when there is light
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[11:53] <DRGREEN> What you mean Ukuz?
[11:53] <Ogmios> hi
[11:54] <cmel> is it only at daytime ?
[11:54] <DRGREEN> hi.
[11:54] <cmel> hi ogmios
[11:54] <ukuz> i think i made it pretty clear
[11:54] <ukuz> :)
[11:54] <monk> well night time to when there is a light source like street light
[11:54] <monk> I see shadows at night
[11:54] <DRGREEN> What's dang? I'm sold on what? I do not understand sorry.
[11:54] <ukuz> are you from the U.S.?
[11:54] <DRGREEN> No.
[11:54] <ukuz> oh no wonder
[11:55] <ukuz> :)
[11:55] <monk> ukuz what do you believe in
[11:55] <cmel> ukuz where are u from ?
[11:55] <ukuz> Hawaii
[11:55] <DRGREEN> Just a matter of speech I guess.
[11:55] <cmel> k
[11:55] <ukuz> yeah
[11:55] <cmel> aloha ukuz
[11:55] <monk> you believe the news ukuz ?
[11:55] <monk> like cnn news or whatever
[11:55] <ukuz> but she didnt want to look up in the sky at the Hale Bopp,
[11:56] <cmel> cnn is crap
[11:56] <ukuz> even wild horses couldnt drager out to see it
[11:56] <ukuz> :)
[11:56] <cmel> bbc is crap also, but not just the same as cnn
[11:57] <DRGREEN> No, What's so interesting about a comet?
[11:57] <DRGREEN> I wouldn't wanna view Halebopp, I do not care.
[11:57] <cmel> that it crashes into earth in 2019
[11:57] <monk> I looked outside and just seen the orbs heh
[11:57] <ukuz> she just refused to admitt that Hale bopp was up there and go look at it
[11:57] <monk> bbc has more turth then cnn thats for sure
[11:57] <cmel> heh monk
[11:57] <ukuz> she refused to go out at night and look at it
[11:57] <cmel> I agree monk
[11:57] <DRGREEN> She didn't refuse to admit, She said something else.
[11:58] <monk> she was busy
[11:58] <DRGREEN> She said that the non-existing object was replaced by an already existing one.
[11:58] <cmel> she = who ?
[11:58] <DRGREEN> Nancy.
[11:58] <cmel> k
[11:58] <ukuz> That would be an excellent question for you to ask her on the next session
[11:58] <cmel> stupid me
[11:58] <cmel> heh
[11:59] <ukuz> :)
[11:59] <ukuz> ask her if she still thinks it didnt exist
[11:59] <ukuz> hehe
[11:59] <cmel> haha
[11:59] <ukuz> if she says it doesnt exist still...
[11:59] <ukuz> well..
[11:59] <ukuz> hehe
[12:00] <cmel> ;P
[12:00] <DRGREEN> She says that now, Halebopp exists yes. But it did not when the name was already there at first.
[12:00] <ukuz> show me where she said it does exist
[12:00] <ukuz> i have to see that
[12:00] <ukuz> :)
[12:00] <DRGREEN> Wait a minute, I'll search for it.
[12:00] <cmel> we all have ukuz
[12:01] <ukuz> ok
[12:01] <ukuz> if she still thinks it dont exist then somethings wrong
[12:01] <ukuz> :)
[12:02] <ukuz> agreed?
[12:02] <DRGREEN> Yes, for sure.
[12:02] <cmel> yep
[12:02] <cmel> hehe
[12:03] <ukuz> it would say alot
[12:03] <ukuz> :)
[12:03] <ukuz> someone should ask if whe still thinks it doesnt exist
[12:03] <ukuz> whe-she
[12:04] <cmel> she-we
[12:04] <ukuz> hehe
[12:04] <cmel> haha
[12:05] <ukuz> Jesture  is that you?
[12:05] <ukuz> :)
[12:05] <obaway> back
[12:05] <DRGREEN> Hey obany.
[12:05] <cmel> he will be back soon
[12:05] <cmel> hehe
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[12:06] <ukuz> Hey obany  :)
[12:07] <cmel> hi obany
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[12:07] <DRGREEN> http://www.zetatalk.com/halebopp/hb000001.htm   -the whole story is there Ukuz, nut it's a lot to read.
[12:08] <DRGREEN> but.
[12:09] <ukuz> its nut alright
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[12:09] <ukuz> Hi obany
[12:09] <ukuz> :)
[12:10] <Keitazard> hihihi
[12:10] <Keitazard> hi
[12:10] <obany> drgreen: did you read this : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-social/message/5653
[12:11] <cmel> hi
[12:11] <Keitazard> this is the "talk" channel
[12:11] <ukuz> DrGreen, but the Zetas dont make mistakes right?
[12:11] <obany> ukuz: and how do you know it's not alright?
[12:11] <cmel> yes keit. it's where you talk
[12:11] <DRGREEN> also on HaleBopp, http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx386.htm
[12:12] <ukuz> whats not alright?
[12:12] <DRGREEN> I have not seen the Zeta's make any mistakes yet.
[12:12] <cmel> the weather
[12:12] <DRGREEN> Not that I can prove.
[12:12] <cmel> ukuz
[12:13] <onlainari> drgreen,that's maybe cuz u don't have a telescope and such
[12:13] <onlainari> despite that,u could still find em makin mistakes
[12:14] <onlainari> sapphire's webpages etc :)
[12:14] <DRGREEN> How can you sisprove her claimes with a telescope? Nibiru is not viewable according to her, and HaleBopp was real.
[12:14] <DRGREEN> disprove
[12:14] <DRGREEN> Like she said it would be, or the Zeta's said.
[12:14] <obany> www.skepticalmind.com sure sure ... as if that site is so good
[12:14] <DRGREEN> But not the same comet they pronounced in 1995.
[12:14] <onlainari> zeta told it's viewable mid2002
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[12:15] <DRGREEN> I can disprove all of scepticalminds claims.
[12:15] <onlainari> of course they update their page to look disprovable
[12:15] <Yoda> baffeled I am
[12:15] <onlainari> I gotta go to play tennis ,sorry :)
[12:15] <onlainari> see ya
[12:15] <ukuz> obany I heard this person on the art bell show http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/lieder.html
[12:15] <DRGREEN> Nancy has adressed every question and had given her arguments. Sceptical mind only shows one side of the story.
[12:16] <ukuz> if youre interested...
[12:16] <ukuz> :)
[12:16] <obany> onlainrai: Zetatalk is based on questions and answers.. it's not a simple update    
[12:16] <Yoda> ukuz I like
[12:16] <obany> ukuz: i have read that... url ...
[12:16] <DRGREEN> Mid 2002 isnt't exactly what some think, she was pointing to AROUND that time.
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[12:16] <darthtyranus> eheheheh yoda :P
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[12:17] <ukuz> oh no...its Darthtyranus!
[12:17] <ukuz> Help!
[12:17] <Keitazard> my birthday will be 3 august, should i wish a telescope for present
[12:17] <ukuz> hehe
[12:17] <Yoda> darthtyranus I hate
[12:17] <DRGREEN> Some said the end of the world would occur around 2000, but some make that 2000 as a fixed date. Could also be around that date.
[12:17] * Yoda is now known as cmal
[12:17] <obany> i am also known as Count Doku :P
[12:17] <DRGREEN> When I say 1000, I could mean 990 or 980.
[12:17] * cmal is now known as cmel
[12:18] <DRGREEN> Unless I make clear that I mean it exactly as it is.
[12:18] <cmel> haha
[12:18] <ukuz> obany, do you follow the person's views on that website i gave?
[12:19] <cmel> lets wipe the slate clean !!
[12:19] <ukuz> bring out the Clorox
[12:19] <cmel> I hate nor love nobody
[12:19] <cmel> I'm neutral
[12:19] <Keitazard> i still haven't understood why don't we see niburu
[12:20] <DRGREEN> It's in the sun.
[12:20] <obany> ukuz: i have been to that badastromy site...
[12:20] <Keitazard> how can it be in the sun
[12:20] <DRGREEN> We cannot view it, The sun blocks our vision.
[12:20] <Keitazard> oh
[12:20] <ukuz> Obany, do you know if Nancy still beleives Hale Bopp comet is not real?
[12:20] <obany> Keitazard: mid september new coordinates will be givven .. at this time it's only viewabel pre dawn and for a short period of time to short ..
[12:20] <cmel> check the net, it must be there if it is or not Keitazard
[12:21] <DRGREEN> According to Nancy, about mid sept it will be viewable.
[12:21] <ukuz> inquiring minds would like to know...
[12:21] <obany> ukuz: well yes i think so ukuz: But why do you ask me ??
[12:21] <ukuz> :)
[12:21] <ukuz> yes?
[12:21] <Keitazard> well what will the niburu do
[12:21] <DRGREEN> Nancy admitted that now it HaleBopp is real, but it wasn't earlier on.
[12:22] <cmel> it will do whatever it wnats
[12:22] <Keitazard> halebopp?
[12:22] <ukuz> show me where she admitted DrGreen
[12:22] <ukuz> i would like to see it
[12:22] <cmel> whants
[12:22] <ukuz> :)
[12:22] <DRGREEN> Just gave you two links.
[12:22] <DRGREEN> scroll up.
[12:22] <Keitazard> whoah I'm little confused here :D
[12:22] <cmel> can't you search for a link ???
[12:23] <cmel> keita ???
[12:23] <obany> ukuz: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p46.htm
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[12:24] <cmel> hi
[12:24] <Nol> Hi, folks
[12:24] <DRGREEN> hi nol.
[12:24] <DRGREEN> it's the green rogman.
[12:24] <Nol> Hi , DRGREEN
[12:24] <DRGREEN> frog.
[12:24] <cmel> ripit
[12:24] <Nol> kwaaak?
[12:24] <DRGREEN> what's ripit?
[12:24] <cmel> nothin'
[12:24] <DRGREEN> kwaak kwak kwak kwek.
[12:25] <Nol> plons!!!!
[12:25] <cmel> woofwof
[12:25] <DRGREEN> de gekke kikker.
[12:25] <Nol> hehe
[12:25] <ukuz> Obany, does nancy still refuse to beleive Hale Bopp is real?
[12:25] <obany> ukuz: why don't YOU look at that url ..
[12:25] <DRGREEN> Obany, make it clear to him please.
[12:26] <obany> it wasn't real at first, but later on it was a real comet
[12:26] <DRGREEN> He just wants to read the sceptical side of the story.
[12:26] * cmel lifts his leg with an indefferent look and lets go on DRGREEN
[12:26] <Nol> http://nu.nl/document?n=60019    The French man...
[12:26] <ukuz> the link you gave says that Zetas didnt identify it as a comet
[12:27] <DRGREEN> Reaad on.
[12:27] <DRGREEN> Read the links I posted.
[12:27] <DRGREEN> scroll up.
[12:27] <ukuz> and Zetas arent wrong, right?
[12:27] <ukuz> never wrong
[12:27] <ukuz> right?
[12:27] <Nol> Well,oke
[12:27] <DRGREEN> Do not say that. But never wrong as far as I know.
[12:27] <cmel> hehe
[12:28] <obany> ukuz: check this http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx386.htm
[12:28] <cmel> woof woof woof
[12:28] <DRGREEN> The Z's got a perfect explanation for the reason they believe HaleBopp was not real, and it answers far more questions that any other explanation does.
[12:29] <obany> and also http://www.zetatalk.com/halebopp/hb000001.htm
[12:30] <Keitazard> so hale was infact niburu that was passin by!!!
[12:30] <obany> no, keit... it wasn't Nibiru
[12:30] <cmel> nope
[12:30] <Keitazard> damn :D
[12:30] <cmel> hehe
[12:30] <DRGREEN> I always choose the most logical side of the story Ukuz, and the Zeta's just happen to tell that side.
[12:30] <cmel> not always DRGR
[12:31] <DRGREEN> It answers the most questions, simple.
[12:31] <DRGREEN> considering halebopp cmel.
[12:31] <Keitazard> so what route the niburu goes
[12:31] <ukuz> Drgree: that it wasnt a comet?
[12:31] <cmel> straight towards us
[12:31] <ukuz> is this logical to you?
[12:31] <DRGREEN> It DOES NOT say that, read on before you post.
[12:31] <DRGREEN> It was at first.
[12:31] <ukuz> it was?
[12:31] <ukuz> :)
[12:31] <Keitazard> i wonder how niburu could get close to earth if we all now how planets spin around the sun
[12:31] <DRGREEN> It wan;t real at first, than it was.
[12:31] <obany> IT WASN'T A COMET AT FIRST, BUT LATER ON IT WAS A COMET
[12:32] <ukuz> so then the Zetas were wrong at first?
[12:32] <DRGREEN> no.
[12:32] <DRGREEN> READ.
[12:32] <ukuz> but but but....they cant be wrong
[12:32] <ukuz> at first
[12:32] <ukuz> theyre never wrong
[12:32] <ukuz> theyre the Zetas
[12:32] <DRGREEN> They said in the beginning that Halebopp was a comet with a different orbit than it was later when viewed.
[12:32] <cmel> yes we spin , bit nibiru spins in a strange fashion, eliptic higly
[12:32] <DRGREEN> Nibiru spins around two suns.
[12:32] <monk> zetas are not wrong but sometimes nancy will put a different word in place of what the zetas say thats what she said
[12:33] <Keitazard> i would want to see a picture of niburus route
[12:33] <monk> 99.99% right
[12:33] <obany> ukuz: stfu as it seems that you didn't even read that text from zetatalk
[12:33] <cmel> nancy are a feeble conveyor of zetathoughts
[12:33] <ukuz> why dont you kick me off then obany
[12:34] <obany> keitazard: try this http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword032.htm for info
[12:34] <ukuz> do it!
[12:34] <obany> why should i
[12:34] <ukuz> do it permanently
[12:34] <ukuz> now!
[12:34] <obany> no
[12:34] <ukuz> then Stfu
[12:34] <cmel> ukuz why
[12:34] <DRGREEN> All numbers and orbits the Z's give on their page considering halebopp can be checked with officials. It's not the Z's that I BELIEVE, It's the Z's that answer the most questions, and thus, most logical.
[12:34] <Keitazard> ukuz calm down plz
[12:35] <cmel> shut the fuck up
[12:35] <cmel> ukuz
[12:35] <obany> you are a little anyoing now ukuz. And for what reason ?
[12:35] <ukuz> after you
[12:35] <cmel> that was what you said right
[12:35] <DRGREEN> Ukuz, just read patiently. Do yourself a favor.
[12:36] <obany> did you turend into a bad person after reading bad - astronomy ;P
[12:36] <DRGREEN> hehe.
[12:36] <obany> turned
[12:36] <Keitazard> that path picture is damn hard to understand
[12:36] <cmel> :)
[12:36] <ukuz> a bad person?
[12:36] <DRGREEN> Yeah, you mean the wobbly bobbly path?
[12:36] <ukuz> define bad
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[12:38] <obany> ukuz: didn't you saw the ' ;p  ' ?
[12:38] <cmel> bad = ukuz = dont wanna behave
[12:38] <DRGREEN> Keitazard, you mean Nibiru's orbit path?
[12:38] <cmel> hehe
[12:38] <cmel> sorry
[12:38] <ukuz> cmel, are you the narrator here?
[12:39] <cmel> no I'm the joker
[12:39] <Nol> http://www.streamingbox.com/arianespace/v2/launcher.php?langue=en   
[12:39] <obany> keith: there is a drawing of the path on the url i gave to you a little earlier
[12:39] <ukuz> i guess this is the place to be for you then huh cmel?
[12:39] <Nol> in the archive there is a cool lift off ... at the bottom on the list.
[12:40] <cmel> are you angry then ?
[12:40] <cmel> ukuz
[12:40] <ukuz> you mean after you told me to  "shut the fuck up"
[12:40] <ukuz> ?
[12:40] <ukuz> or before
[12:41] <ukuz> ?
[12:41] <cmel> I dindn't tell you that
[12:41] <ukuz> scroll back buddy
[12:41] <Nol> Embarked camera (Ariane 5)
[12:41] <cmel> yes it looked that way buddy, but I didn't
[12:42] <ukuz> its sure did look that way Cmel
[12:42] <ukuz> you need to be careful next time
[12:42] <cmel> yes it did but I only repeated what you said
[12:42] <ukuz> you mean what came from obany
[12:42] <ukuz> right?
[12:42] <cmel> yep
[12:43] <ukuz> cool
[12:43] <Keitazard> what was the url for the orbit path
[12:43] <obany> if i was little harsh at you, well maybe then i had my reason for it ukuz
[12:43] <cmel> I wasn't negative towards you
[12:43] <cmel> ukuz
[12:43] <ukuz> i understand now Cmel
[12:44] <cmel> k
[12:44] <ukuz> thx
[12:44] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03h.htm
[12:44] <Nol> I dreamed about a rocket that exploded...
[12:44] <Keitazard> that was hard to understand
[12:44] <Nol> maybe a Ariane...we will see..
[12:44] <Keitazard> better pic from orbit path
[12:44] <cmel> but it did .... in 1986
[12:45] <Nol> But maybe it is nothing...just adream..
[12:45] <Keitazard> like a pic where is sun and all planet drawed, and niburus path too
[12:45] <cmel> or maybe it was ariane 5 #1
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[12:46] <monk> Last night I had a dream of all kinds of cops searching people at a bus stop
[12:46] <cmel> not good
[12:46] <obany> Keit: try http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword032.htm more info there
[12:46] <Keitazard> I want path like that from niburu
[12:46] <Keitazard> http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/overview.html
[12:47] <cmel> I had a dream of me falling out of a 4'th storey window
[12:47] <monk> like martial law was set and no one was gonna leave or come without being searched
[12:47] <cmel> k monk
[12:48] <cmel> and my mother watching
[12:48] <Keitazard> is there a GOOD path of niburu, didn't understand the one in zetatalk.com
[12:48] <monk> I was scared cause i got a knife but they never searched me but someone took my bag and got pissed
[12:48] <cmel> what do you mean keit ??
[12:48] <cmel> GOOD
[12:49] <monk> that was a good path keitazard
[12:49] <Keitazard> i mean pic like that http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/overview.html from niburu's route
[12:49] <Keitazard> not a pic like this  http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03h.htm
[12:49] <Keitazard> cause i don't understand that
[12:50] <DRGREEN> check www.xfacts.com, a simple picure of Nibiru's orbit.
[12:51] <cmel> so monk, you woke up with a heartbeat ???
[12:51] <Keitazard> where on that site
[12:52] <DRGREEN> http://xfacts.com/x1.htm   go all the way down.
[12:52] <DRGREEN> Sitchin drawing an orbit of Nibiru.
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[12:52] <DRGREEN> pointing at it, whatever.
[12:54] <DRGREEN> Note, Mitchell does not believe in Nibiru returning soon.
[12:54] <DRGREEN> Martell.
[12:54] <DRGREEN> Sorry.
[12:55] <cmel> monk ??
[12:56] <obany> He used too, he even pointed to a streaming video of Planet X - 2003
[12:56] <obany> wich is not on his site anymore
[12:57] <monk> cmel: not really
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[12:58] <Keitazard> good i got it
[12:59] <DRGREEN> Yes I know Obany, but he somehow had a sudden change of mind.
[12:59] <DRGREEN> He even has a link to sceptical mind.
[12:59] <cmel> ok monk .... me neither
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[13:00] <UKUZ_needrest> :)
[13:00] <DRGREEN> Why is he suddenly so anti 2003?
[13:00] <cmel> who
[13:00] <DRGREEN> Martell from XFacts
[13:01] <cmel> whats on artbell this evening ?
[13:02] <obany> I realy have no idea, drgreen.. maybe he got influended by all the debunking sites
[13:02] <DRGREEN> Guess so.
[13:02] <obany> And he is into Sitchin and so.. And Sitchin doesn't say 2003
[13:05] <monk> well maybe because its not close it cant come 2003
[13:05] <monk> close enough to see
[13:06] <cmel> monk where are you from
[13:07] <Angelic> uranus
[13:07] <obany> a few days ago i mentioned something from a book by John E. Mack .. Hybrids are also mentioned the book is from 1999  
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[13:07] <Angelic> moh Jur hehe
[13:07] <Jurian> mogge :)
[13:07] <obany> Angelic:i thoght you where from Jupiter ??
[13:07] <cmel> +no I had no pain today ??? hehe
[13:07] <Angelic> winblowz geupdate?
[13:07] <obany> thought
[13:08] <Jurian> mjah, zo nog een herboot =p
[13:08] <Angelic> hehe
[13:08] <Angelic> ik ga patatje halen
[13:08] <Angelic> brb
[13:08] <Lightstar> Can you choose a single language?
[13:08] <cmel> plz spk english
[13:09] <Jurian> patatje.. jummie!
[13:09] <cmel> jeg skal gi dig jummie
[13:09] <cmel> hehe
[13:09] <Jurian> that looks more like swedish then dutch :p
[13:09] <monk> cmel: california , USA
[13:10] <cmel> no denmark
[13:10] <Jurian> I was in denmark today :p
[13:10] <Keitazard> is that russia you're talkin
[13:10] <DRGREEN> Angelic is going to buy some french fries
[13:10] <Jurian> danish people sound like they're drunk :P
[13:10] <cmel> Oh I didn't hear that
[13:10] <cmel> but they are jur
[13:10] <cmel> hehe
[13:10] <Jurian> very likely
[13:11] <cmel> :)
[13:11] <Jurian> I got up at 7, to get breakfast, and there were 3 guys in the hotel, who had beer with their breakfast
[13:11] <Jurian> retards
[13:11] <Jurian> ffs, beer, at 7 am
[13:11] <cmel> they were swedes
[13:11] <cmel> 4 sure
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[13:11] <cmel> only swedes do that
[13:12] <DRGREEN> Maybe it was their dinner Jurian, maybe they work at night.
[13:12] <cmel> hehe drgr
[13:12] <Jurian> nope
[13:12] <DRGREEN> Just a theory of course.
[13:12] <Jurian> and they weren't swedes, they were danes, 100% sure :p
[13:12] <Jurian> I saw them coming out of their room, and going into their car
[13:13] <cmel> ok if u say it jurian, it must be true
[13:13] <cmel> :)
[13:13] <Jurian> :)
[13:13] <cmel> where were u ?
[13:13] <cmel> jur
[13:13] <monk> they are not retatrds
[13:13] <cmel> who
[13:14] <monk> beer drinkers
[13:14] <cmel> danes
[13:14] <cmel> hehe
[13:14] <monk> I once drunk beer in the mourning before
[13:14] <cmel> hawaiians arent retards as well
[13:15] <monk> I live with a retard tho
[13:15] <cmel> but thats an exception
[13:15] <cmel> :)
[13:16] <monk> really hes mentaly ill
[13:16] <cmel> no pun intended
[13:16] <monk> but i love him
[13:16] <cmel> I hope so monk
[13:16] <monk> I dont feel im any greater then he is either
[13:16] <cmel> good
[13:16] <Keitazard> what happens 27.7 on funnet?
[13:17] <cmel> you tell me keit.
[13:17] <monk> zetatalk live?
[13:17] <Keitazard> in #zetatalk i mean
[13:17] <monk> nancy will answer questions
[13:17] <DRGREEN> Nancy comes to answer questions.
[13:17] <Keitazard> who's nancy
[13:17] <cmel> thats saturday I think
[13:18] <monk> the one who wrote the webpage
[13:18] <DRGREEN> The one who channels Zetatalk.
[13:18] <Keitazard> oh
[13:18] <Keitazard> today is 25
[13:18] <Keitazard> how often he comes
[13:18] <monk> http://www.skepticalmind.com/nancy.html
[13:18] <monk> she
[13:18] <cmel> then my retard mind was right
[13:18] <cmel> hehe
[13:19] <obany> keit: the session is once a week on a saturday
[13:19] <Keitazard> ok
[13:19] <cmel> 23:00 gmt
[13:19] <Keitazard> she looks a little...
[13:19] <Keitazard> mentaly ill :D
[13:19] <obany> cmel: no 22:00 GMT
[13:19] <cmel> yes she does
[13:20] <cmel> hehe
[13:20] <monk> 3:00 pm pacific time
[13:20] <DRGREEN> I think she looks friendly and truthfull.
[13:20] <Keitazard> but it's not the body that tells what the guy is
[13:20] <Keitazard> how old is she
[13:21] <DRGREEN> old.
[13:21] <DRGREEN> 60?
[13:21] <DRGREEN> 62?
[13:21] <cmel> well I've connected 22:00 gmt and nothing happenden until an hour later Obany
[13:21] <DRGREEN> 54?
[13:21] <DRGREEN> 76?
[13:21] <monk> like 60 something
[13:21] <obany> cmel: 2 hours later
[13:21] <obany> around 60
[13:21] <monk> shes been around
[13:22] <Keitazard> my granpa is 70 an he is total brick
[13:22] <DRGREEN> Mines around 70 and still rides his bike everyday.
[13:22] <Keitazard> why it's russia on her site
[13:22] <Keitazard> under those images
[13:23] <cmel> yes Obany but "22:00 gmt" was your word
[13:24] <obany> GMT is the same as UTC .. in the Netherlands, at this time it's UTC/GMT +2
[13:24] <obany> and i think in Denmark that's the same
[13:25] <obany> In wintertime UTC +1
[13:25] <cmel> denmark is gmt+1
[13:25] <DRGREEN> In winter right?
[13:25] <obany> cmel: don't you ave DST there ...
[13:26] <cmel> doesen't everybody have winter/summertime
[13:26] <DRGREEN> It's around 22.30 here in the netherlands.
[13:26] <cmel> thats the same here in dk
[13:26] <Jurian> denmark is the same as holland and sweden :p
[13:26] <cmel> 22:24
[13:26] <DRGREEN> 22.29
[13:26] <cmel> 22:25
[13:26] <DRGREEN> You still didn't adjust time CMEL haha.
[13:27] <obany> now with DST it's UTC +2 ...
[13:27] <cmel> hehe
[13:27] <cmel> datime standart time
[13:27] <cmel> day
[13:27] <obany> Daylight savings time
[13:27] <cmel> or something
[13:27] <cmel> k
[13:27] <cmel> obany
[13:28] <cmel> it's u drgreen
[13:28] <cmel> u r wrong
[13:28] <cmel> the time is 22:27
[13:29] <DRGREEN> Could be right.
[13:29] <cmel> hehe
[13:29] <DRGREEN> I do not care though.
[13:29] <cmel> me neither
[13:30] <obany> mmm a guy on tt-watch pointing to debunking sites ...
[13:30] <obany> i mean tt-welcome
[13:30] <cmel> lets talk about something important
[13:30] <DRGREEN> nice reply hehe.
[13:30] <cmel> who
[13:31] <DRGREEN> almost seem you where talking to abany after his post.
[13:31] <cmel> name the person who you address
[13:31] <cmel> me ?
[13:31] <DRGREEN> I address you cmel.
[13:32] <Nol> Bye Bye
[13:32] <cmel> ok drgr
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[13:32] <DRGREEN> Obany posted about the ttwelcome, and you said let's talk about something important.
[13:32] <Keitazard> oh boy ho boy if niburu really comes than why aren't everybody panicing
[13:32] <DRGREEN> That's to be avoided Keith.
[13:32] <DRGREEN> No official warning will be given.
[13:33] <cmel> But I asure You that I dont act as as a lackey of Obany
[13:33] <cmel> ask him
[13:33] <DRGREEN> what's a lackey?
[13:33] <obany> what's the use of being in panic,, it won't help
[13:33] <DRGREEN> What do you mean?
[13:33] <cmel> there you go
[13:33] <Keitazard> Is it possible that there is no niburu
[13:33] <cmel> I'm not with him
[13:34] <cmel> yes
[13:34] <cmel> keit
[13:34] <DRGREEN> Well, I still do not understand all CMEL, but never mind. Keith, it could be, but not probable.
[13:35] <cmel> DRGREEN : a lackey = a person thats with someone else
[13:35] <DRGREEN> With who am I?
[13:35] <cmel> with obany
[13:36] <monk> keitazard: I know of nibru im not panicing because I think its a good thing
[13:36] <obany> so then what about contactees having visions about the future .. mothers meeting their hybrid children etc... In a book by John E. Mack i remember a contactee saying something about Hybrids living on earth ...
[13:36] <DRGREEN> As being with in agreeing with, or litterally being at his place?
[13:36] <Keitazard> then how is it possible to say that it comes in 2003 when we don't even know does it really exist
[13:36] <cmel> for example
[13:36] <monk> zetas say so
[13:36] <DRGREEN> Most humans do not know, but Zeta's know.
[13:37] <cmel> of course
[13:37] <Keitazard> how can you be so sure that zeta's exist
[13:37] <DRGREEN> Can't.
[13:37] <Keitazard> :D
[13:38] <Keitazard> sounds almost like religion :)
[13:38] <DRGREEN> But you can't brush away all the evidence that seems to prove they do.
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[13:38] <obany> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-social/message/5653 altough i don't like the threat term ...
[13:38] <monk> You cant avoid the turth they talk about either'
[13:39] <Keitazard> i want to talk to zeta's personally
[13:39] <DRGREEN> I would like that too
[13:40] <DRGREEN> but maybe we do.
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[13:40] <sony> what is a zeta?
[13:40] <Keitazard> if some old lady does then why can't we
[13:40] <DRGREEN> According to the Z's, we caal them to meet. We cannot remember consiously though.
[13:40] <DRGREEN> call.
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[13:40] <cmel> it's just like a sony only it's more excpensive
[13:41] <sony> I am new her e-give me some info please
[13:41] <DRGREEN> If the Z's are not real, than Nancy is the second Jesus. Her predictions always come to life.
[13:41] <monk> damn obany that link made my computer crash
[13:41] <cmel> haha
[13:41] <Keitazard> what have she predicted
[13:41] <sony> Any body knows Dr. Faust from Hawai
[13:41] <obany> you have to recall by either hypnosis... relaxation .. .. etc, so that the info from the subconscious enters the consciouss
[13:41] <DRGREEN> The earth changes, the cropfailures, the marketcrash,
[13:41] <cmel> haha
[13:42] <cmel> it's just like a sony only it's more excpensive
[13:42] <obany> sony: drfist.... i think
[13:42] <sony> yes
[13:42] <obany> talked to him some days ago
[13:42] <sony> how is he
[13:42] <obany> for a brief moment
[13:42] <sony> I am in Germany right know#
[13:42] <sony> i am normaly in Toronto
[13:43] <cmel> it's just like a sony only it's more expensive
[13:43] <obany> i don't know ... only talked to him for a like a few minuts ... i had to eat and he left
[13:43] <sony> But  I am German so excuse my english
[13:43] <Keitazard> ok sony we forgive you :D
[13:43] <cmel> but you come from canada
[13:43] <sony> it'zz not a trick it#zz aSONY :-)
[13:43] <monk> no you damn german get the fuck outta here
[13:43] <monk> just joking
[13:43] <sony> no I am German I do live in Canada since 1996
[13:44] * cmel smiles with his sony by his side
[13:44] <monk> I love all
[13:44] <sony> monk
[13:44] <sony> be nice
[13:44] <obany> sony: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z13.htm and look up Zeta Reticulian
[13:44] <Keitazard> btw. anyone from finland here
[13:44] <monk> sorry for my laungage
[13:44] <sony> monk...think before you talk.oky
[13:44] <sony> :-)
[13:45] <cmel> I've know a few from finland, but maybe not now
[13:45] <monk> yea i should sorry
[13:45] <cmel> :(
[13:45] <Keitazard> this ufo thing sounds little too extreme
[13:45] <sony> so
[13:45] <sony> how is everybody
[13:45] <cmel> perhaps
[13:45] <monk> unidentify flying objects to extreme ?
[13:46] <Keitazard> yes
[13:46] * Looking up Keitazard user info...
[13:46] <monk> why
[13:46] <Keitazard> and Z's
[13:46] <cmel> good sony
[13:46] <Keitazard> cause i haven't seen any Z's around here
[13:46] <sony> I am in Germany since January and go back to Canada in two weeks
[13:46] <Keitazard> or ufo's
[13:46] <monk> so you think were the only ones in all space
[13:46] <Keitazard> no
[13:46] <monk> then why is it so hard to believe they are not here?
[13:46] <Keitazard> no no and no
[13:47] <monk> and contacting people
[13:47] <Keitazard> but still it's quite hard to believe the Z's
[13:47] <sony> Where is everybody from?--please
[13:47] <obany> I don't think it's extreme .. there are people contactees who met the Zetas, had contact have contact
[13:47] <Keitazard> Finland
[13:47] <obany> Holland
[13:47] <sapphire> USA
[13:47] <sony> nice
[13:47] <Keitazard> actually from estonia, but i live in finland
[13:47] <cmel> I'm from denmark
[13:47] <monk> just imgaine if we humans are peaceful people and we had million years to advance our technology we would be super powerful and could do pretty much anything
[13:48] <cmel> u sony ???
[13:48] <sony> estonia I have a friend in Toronto from estonia
[13:48] <monk> and we would go to different planets and help them
[13:48] <cmel> k
[13:48] <monk> so we can all work together as one for a better cause
[13:48] <Keitazard> whatta hell is estonian guy doing in toronto :D
[13:48] <cmel> hope so
[13:48] <cmel> :)
[13:48] <sony> what do people belive in here?
[13:49] <sony> on Aliens or somthing
[13:49] <Keitazard> not in god
[13:49] <monk> I believe alot of people will die next year
[13:49] <cmel> being there for other people
[13:49] <sony> why not in God?
[13:49] <Keitazard> I want to believe, but I'm too scared to do it
[13:49] <cmel> I'm scared as well
[13:49] <cmel> but I wnat to try
[13:50] <sony> scared from what
[13:50] <obany> I believe ther is a God too, All that is, the Source... if someone takes aliens serious etc does that have to mean that such a person doesn't believe ther is a God
[13:50] <cmel> the world
[13:50] <Keitazard> cause god is made by human mind. It fills the holes that man can't understand
[13:50] <monk> god isn't a man
[13:50] <Angelic> which god?
[13:50] <cmel> that wasent what was said
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[13:51] <obany> brb :)
[13:51] <cmel> k obany
[13:51] <Keitazard> Well i think that any god that we know doesn't exist, but there still might be some kind of power...
[13:52] <cmel> ok keit
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[13:52] <cmel> I don't
[13:52] <cmel> :)
[13:52] <Keitazard> have u ever tried tai chi
[13:52] <cmel> no
[13:52] <Keitazard> well then you're about to be amazed
[13:52] <cmel> perhaps
[13:53] <cmel> show me
[13:53] <Keitazard> put your hands like you would hold a ball
[13:53] <cmel> k
[13:53] <Keitazard> invisible ball
[13:53] <cmel> how big
[13:53] <Keitazard> like 1˝of football or somethin
[13:53] <Keitazard> no sorry
[13:54] <cmel> in cm please
[13:54] <Keitazard> just hold the hand about 5 cm off of each other
[13:54] <cmel> yes
[13:54] <Keitazard> now try to feel the force
[13:54] <Keitazard> move your hands
[13:55] <Keitazard> elliptically/horisontaly
[13:55] <cmel> I cannot read and feel at the same time :(
[13:55] <Keitazard> it feels like magnet
[13:55] <Keitazard> ok another try
[13:55] <cmel> yes
[13:56] <Keitazard> damn my englis is bad but i try to explain
[13:56] <cmel> you say when
[13:56] <cmel> then I shut my eyes
[13:56] <Keitazard> ok
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[13:57] <Keitazard> no you don't have to shut the eyes
[13:57] <cmel> ok
[13:57] <cmel> fine
[13:57] <cmel> what do I have to do then ?
[13:57] <Keitazard> sweep your arm with the other hand but don't touch it
[13:57] <Keitazard> you might feel warm
[13:57] <cmel> yes
[13:58] <cmel> I do
[13:58] <Keitazard> now you can also try to do that with finger
[13:58] <cmel> with the fingers ??
[13:59] <Keitazard> try imagine a little invicible ball between your fingers (like you would hold a little ball)
[13:59] <cmel> yes
[13:59] <cmel> I try
[13:59] <Keitazard> no this next one is hard to explain
[13:59] <cmel> how
[14:00] <Keitazard> you should like uhhmm.. try to rub the ball elliptically
[14:00] <Keitazard> don't let the finger touch each other
[14:00] <cmel> are u on msn ? do you have a headset ??
[14:00] <Keitazard> yes i have head set
[14:00] <Keitazard> hmm maybe i could draw you the thing
[14:00] <cmel> are u on msn
[14:00] <Keitazard> no msn
[14:01] <Keitazard> yes i could draw and send to u
[14:01] <cmel> what do you have , because I have a headset as well
[14:01] <Keitazard> well now i have only counter-strike :D
[14:01] <Keitazard> wait i try to draw it
[14:01] <Keitazard> first
[14:08] <Keitazard> ok now i try to send it to you
[14:09] <cmel> ok
[14:11] <UKUZ_needrest> ok all, i've been corrected about the Hale Bopp disinfo.  My appologies to all...
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[14:12] <sapphire> disinfo?
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[14:12] <ukuz> yeah
[14:12] <sapphire> what was the disinfo?
[14:13] <ukuz> it appears that there was an initial confusion from the location of Hale Bopp
[14:14] <sapphire> Nancy's story (saga) concerning Hale-Bopp comet is very bizarre.  One thing is certain...you don't know anymore than you did before she started upon the subject.  There was no point to it.
[14:14] <monk> yea the difinfo sucks
[14:16] <sapphire> Hale-Bopp was "the comet of the century" --contrary to what Nancy concluded.  I know because I didn't even need a telescope to locate it.  It was a massive display.
[14:16] <monk> sapphire have u saved anyone new?
[14:16] <obany> i guess that sapp is still searching and lookin for info to put on his site
[14:17] <Angelic> Nancy seems to be very adept at providing elaborate stories without providing any fact (this does not state all her stories are without fact ofcourse).. a lot of talking but little real content..
[14:17] <obany> gee :P
[14:17] <ukuz> But the initial location given by astronomers was not pointed to Hale Bopp which the Zetas seemed to have pointed out in the begining
[14:17] <sapphire> obany: yes, most certainly.  I want to have the most facts assembled online when the cult becomes breaking news on CNN after nothing happens
[14:18] <obany> And what if it happens ??
[14:18] <ukuz> it loks like the astronomers were giving wrong coordinates of Hale Bopp at first
[14:18] <sapphire> angelic: it was a story which went nowhere.  There didn't seem to be a point.  Other than taking up many words over months of time
[14:19] <Angelic> sapphire how is your progress at finding changes between the archived 1996/97 zt versions and the current one?
[14:19] <sapphire> obany:  then there won't be any CNN
[14:19] <monk> if it does happen more people will join the zeta cult!
[14:20] <sapphire> but, unlike you, I can entertain the hypothetical...you won't answer the same question.  What if nothing happens?
[14:20] <sapphire> angelic: there aren't so many changes, mostly just additions.  Otherwise known as "back-peddling"
[14:21] <monk> because obany knows its going to happen so he wont answer that question
[14:21] <monk> right ?
[14:21] <sapphire> monk: i guess you forgot what the word "hypothetical" means
[14:22] <ukuz> im not so sure if anyone here is absolutely certain if its going to happen..
[14:22] <monk> im 99% it will happen
[14:22] <ukuz> theres always at least 1 percent of doubt
[14:22] <ukuz> :)
[14:23] <sapphire> ukuz: what makes you have doubt?
[14:23] <monk> yup
[14:23] <ukuz> i have to see it
[14:23] <ukuz> then i will know
[14:23] <ukuz> for sure
[14:23] <ukuz> until then i have some dooubt
[14:23] <Angelic> monk, if it does happen? if the shift happens more people will joing the zeta cult? if the shift happens most people will die, and the ones left will not have any knowing of zt and among the few who do they will have others things on their minds than 'join' the zt "cult", what zt cult? no zetacult after the shift, no zetatalk. and if zt comes on cnn due to nibiru not being there at all, then no-one will join tt/zt.. why join something proven wr
[14:23] <sapphire> ukuz: what happens if you see nothing, but Nancy has real good sounding explaination of why you see nothing.  Still believe?
[14:24] <obany> since i take it very serious that it will happen, i am not going to answer that question .. and it's till more then a 90% for me
[14:24] <obany> still
[14:24] <Jeremy> I'd recommend devising a complete plan of action NOW even if you are unsure about whether the pole shift will happen
[14:25] <monk> angelic: I was just messing with sapphire he thinks this is a cult
[14:25] <sapphire> yes, i have a plan of action...if aliens should decide to assert their agenda.
[14:25] <ukuz> Sapphire: then my doubt will definately increase
[14:25] <ukuz> alot
[14:25] <ukuz> :)
[14:25] <sapphire> monk: no "this" is not the cult.  But, a cult has been forming around ZT.
[14:25] <Jeremy> sapphire: I mean where food storage, water, transport and medical issues are concerned
[14:26] <sapphire> Jeremy: i am already prepared for emergencies, but this has nothing to do with PX
[14:27] <ukuz> what is it based on Sapphire?
[14:27] <monk> sapphire: who has started a cult around ZT
[14:27] <sapphire> ukuz: you always should be prepared for earthquake, fire, floods, etc.
[14:27] <ukuz> true
[14:27] <ukuz> ok
[14:27] <Jeremy> sapphire: Do uou have emergency food already for any kind of disaster? If so, how many weeks/months?
[14:28] <sapphire> monk: I am currently investigating...hope to have most of the relevant facts when the whole thing blows up.
[14:29] <sapphire> monk: Hazlewood is a BIG part of this
[14:29] <monk> hes trying to make money off planet x
[14:29] <monk> what i have read
[14:30] <monk> hes greedy
[14:30] <sapphire> Hazlewood is also seeking noteriety and control...because he never had those things before.
[14:30] <monk> I hate when people talk about nancy and hazlewood together
[14:31] <monk> like most of the debunking webpages do
[14:31] <monk> gives nancy a bad name
[14:31] <sapphire> Nancy planted the seed, Hazlewood has grown this seed
[14:31] <monk> its like religion
[14:31] <monk> what hazlewood has done
[14:31] <Angelic> sapphire, have you entertained yourself with the idea that Nancy and Hazlewood might me in on this together, where Nancy plays a game together with Hazlewood to draw more and more attention to the px subject? Nancy, after all, has not sued him! Even though she has this copyright mentioned under every page of zt that she wrote
[14:32] <obany> But they don't work togheter or so ... Hazlewood is a copycat
[14:32] <sapphire> angelic: yes, I entertained the thought
[14:34] <Jurian> obany: why are you so sure they don't work together? they could very well be
[14:35] <Angelic> next to that, she did threaten me back in 1997 to sue me would I use any of zt content on my own site.. sh emust be either a woman of words and not of action or a liar.. but you will get my story soon enough, it won't be anti-nancy nor pro-nancy.. just my experience with the whole nanciness and the way she uses the fictional zetas (might be real contacts but not aliens) to spread lies about everyone she does not like
[14:35] <Angelic> it is sad how some can be so blind
[14:36] <monk> i agree with u somewhat angelic
[14:36] <Angelic> how can you?
[14:36] <Angelic> it is my experience
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[14:36] <Angelic> waiting for your "but......."
[14:36] <sapphire> obany: do you think Angelic has been compromised by intelligence angencies?
[14:37] <obany> sapphire: why should i answer that
[14:37] <Angelic> obany doesn't like to talk about what happened then, he voted against me back then
[14:38] <sapphire> Isn't that what Nancy/Zetas implied?
[14:38] <Angelic> and he was glad to let me know this, within one week Nancy gotten to him
[14:38] <monk> http://www.msnbc.com/news/784563.asp
[14:40] <monk> i agree with u angelic because some people can be blind about religion and stuff like propganda
[14:40] <monk> like mainstream news
[14:41] <obany> sapphire: and why should i go into that again ...
[14:41] <Keitazard> it feels so unreal to think it really happens
[14:41] <Angelic> Obany somehow finds it difficult to think about what happened back then, I think I may know why. And since obany isn't willing to answer even a simple question from sapphire regarding this subject (see above), I find I must answer for him. He feels guilty, he knows deep inside that Nancy was wrong, but considering Nancy wrong equals considering the Zetas wrong, and obany can't cope with that idea. Zt and Nancy is what he is most involved in in
[14:43] <sapphire> It would be nice to have the actual ZT which implicates you, Angelic.
[14:44] <Angelic> I think he wants to believe so much in the zetas and nancy, the idea that she has been chosen by these good aliens and that he is involved in this must make him feel good.. and I think that is what he doesn't want to take distance from :( I like obany, he is a nice person, but I do not like how he handles himself where zt and nancy are concerned, he is not able to take any distance from the subject nor be objective about it
[14:45] <Angelic> yes I was very angry when I lost that email
[14:45] <sapphire> lost it, that sucks.  It would be nice to compare with Ron Darby ZT
[14:46] <Angelic> it is also pretty amazing how Nancy's zetas can call me a MJ12 agent to get the membership to vote me out of the group back in 1997, and a few months later I am an Angel according to the same zetas, even though I was in the tt under another name
[14:47] <Jurian> hehe
[14:47] <sapphire> yes, I believe I mentioned this before.  Zetas are NOT telepathic.
[14:48] <monk> sapphire and angelic : what if pictures are taken of planet x this fall then what ?
[14:48] <monk> everyone is telepathic sapphire
[14:48] <monk> even u
[14:48] <sapphire> monk: if they are like the previous "pictures" they will be a laughing stock
[14:48] <Angelic> monk, there are no pictures of px
[14:49] <Angelic> you want to believe
[14:49] <monk> I dont need to see a picture
[14:49] <Angelic> IMO is telling the truth
[14:49] <sapphire> monk: Zetas can be tricked...proved by many people..thus Zetas are not telepathic in the manner they have described.
[14:49] <Jeremy> There's a fake PX picture on Hazlewoods website
[14:50] <sapphire> Yes, it was Io, jupiter's moon.
[14:50] <sapphire> Hazlewood has now deleted
[14:50] <sapphire> To save embarassment
[14:51] <monk> hazlewood is a joke
[14:51] <Angelic> does google have the page with photo archived in the cache?
[14:51] <sapphire> the photo is from NASA website
[14:51] <sapphire> i saw it
[14:51] <sapphire> somebody posted the link on one of the forums yesterday
[14:52] <sapphire> it is Io, with volcanic eruption.  Shot by Hubble.
[14:52] <sapphire> somebody sent it to Hazlewood with a bogus story, to make him look stupid
[14:52] <sapphire> and it obviously worked
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[14:53] <sapphire> I'll give Nancy credit, since many have tried that same strategy with her, and she has never taken the bait.
[14:53] <sapphire> but sooner or later...
[14:54] <Jeremy> sapphire: Hazlewoods mishandling of the subject obviously plays into the dens of the debunkers
[14:54] <Angelic> she does not take the bait because she is familiar with all the tricks, tricksters know tricksters
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[14:56] <sapphire> angelic: there is a phrase "take one, to know one"
[14:56] <Angelic> meant that
[14:57] <ukuz> but the possibility of PX still remains...
[14:58] <monk> ukuz: planet x is fact
[14:58] <Angelic> yes, planet x is fact
[14:58] <ukuz> i reserve that possibility
[14:58] <obany> mmm i just read that Nasa now says that the chance of that asteroid hitting earth in 2019 is rather small
[14:58] <Jeremy> obany: yes, 1 in a million
[14:59] <obany> nasa changed the news or so ...
[14:59] <Jeremy> So it makes you wonder why it was pushed to the forefront of the news on several major news channels
[15:00] <ukuz> Maybe distract from current economy?
[15:00] <obany> A test
[15:00] <obany> ?
[15:01] <obany> to measure the reactions of people
[15:01] <monk> yea probaly
[15:01] <ukuz> Possible
[15:01] <Jeremy> A possible measure to aclimatise the masses to a threat from outer space
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[15:02] <ukuz> i think that test has been done before
[15:02] <Jeremy> You mean the Orson Welles broadcast?
[15:03] <ukuz> yep
[15:03] <monk> what kinda chaos would be done if planet x was actually seen by millions of people
[15:03] <ukuz> economy crashes
[15:03] <Jeremy> It will monk when the reddish cross is visible
[15:03] <Jeremy> Though ZT says at first the reddish cross will be an object of curiosity
[15:04] <obany> 7 weeks before the pole shift for what i know
[15:04] <obany> read
[15:04] <ukuz> anyone read Kathleen Keatings books?
[15:05] <monk> maybe its a good thing that no one knows about planet x tell its to late
[15:05] <ukuz> she mentions the cross in the sky too
[15:05] <ukuz> i wonder where she got that info from?
[15:05] <Jeremy> does she?
[15:05] <ukuz> yes
[15:05] <monk> she gets her info from the zetas ukuz
[15:05] <ukuz> are you certain?
[15:06] <Jeremy> Whats's the name of Kathleen Keatings book where the cross in the sky is mentioned?
[15:06] <ukuz> "The Final Warning"
[15:06] <sapphire> Has it ever occurred to anyone that if the Zetas were trully STO that they would not have told anyone about PX, not even Nancy.  They would have let things on Earth sorth themselves out?
[15:06] <Jeremy> thx ukuz
[15:06] <monk> yes im certain that the info is coming from someone other then the humans
[15:06] <ukuz> :)
[15:07] <Jeremy> sapphire: They are letting us determine our own destiny, but are providing useful information for those who wish to attempt to survive
[15:07] <ukuz> well Kathleen Keating seems to be from the Catholic church
[15:07] <monk> sapphire: STO means helping others not watching them and doing nothing
[15:08] <ukuz> hehe
[15:08] <obany> ukuz: http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx076.htm
[15:08] <ukuz> reading......
[15:09] <sapphire> Jeremy: no, they are using fear as a tool to manipulate a segment of our population.
[15:10] <Jeremy> sapphire: Well if they are doing that, then if nothing happens next year then they would have exposed themselves as charlatans
[15:10] <ukuz> interesting obany, thx
[15:10] <ukuz> :)
[15:10] <monk> Just like how the united states government is using terrorist threats to place fear on the american people
[15:10] <sapphire> jeremy: not exactly.  Have you considered that they wish all hell to break loose in May 2003?  As a result of hysteria?
[15:11] <obany> ukuz: there are some more links to pages here http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword122.htm
[15:11] <ukuz> ok
[15:11] <Jeremy> sapphire: You mean hysteria from the ZT message spreading to the masses should the reddish cross appear?
[15:11] <monk> anthrax , war , terrorist threats , now thats hysteria
[15:12] <sapphire> jeremy: have you considered that the "reddish cross" could be faked?
[15:12] <sapphire> or that it could be a misrepresentation of planet Mars?
[15:12] <ukuz> did someone here earlier say that James Martel had changed his views on PX?
[15:12] <sapphire> Mars closest approach to earth with be MAY 2003!
[15:12] <Jeremy> sapphire: Actually Mars comes into oppostion in late summer 2003
[15:13] <Jeremy> sapphire: thinking on the same track then :)
[15:13] <sapphire> Mars will be at closest point to Earth, and best viewed in May 2003
[15:13] <Angelic> all astronomers and amateur astronomers know about mars sapphire, it will not be mistaken for px in the media
[15:14] <monk> they will probaly use mind controll so we all see the red planet huh
[15:14] <sapphire> Angelic:  ZT not trying to fool professional astronomers, they're trying to get the ignorant masses...just as they have been doing for last 8 years
[15:14] <sapphire> see science section
[15:15] <Jeremy> sapphire: I think Mars' opposition might be a little later than May 2003, but close enough for some to explain away the reddish cross as unusual atmospheric conditions on Mars, causing greater magnitude
[15:15] <sapphire> jeremy: they're just hoping to affect small segment of the population, nothing more
[15:15] <Jeremy> sapphire: The Zetas you mean?
[15:15] <sapphire> because a small segment is all that it takes to cause BIG problems
[15:15] <sapphire> yes, Zetas
[15:16] <Angelic> sapph, what masses? no number of people close to be called 'masses' know of zt
[15:16] <monk> so sapphire if u see planet x u wont do anything and think its a hoax ?
[15:16] <Keitazard> wow guys you really are into it
[15:16] <Jeremy> yeah, the hardcore :)
[15:16] <sapphire> angelic:  one "true believer" can affect the actions of hundreds of others
[15:17] <Keitazard> hard to believe that thing this big haven't leaked to news yet
[15:17] <Angelic> hundreds do not make "masses" causing global hysteria
[15:17] <Angelic> you are overimagining sapph
[15:17] <sapphire> what you have here, is perhaps thousands who could be called true believers, worldwide
[15:17] <sapphire> no joke
[15:17] <monk> mainstream news is controlled
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[15:18] <Jeremy> Must go now, goodnight guys
[15:18] <Keitazard> night
[15:18] <sapphire> angelic: i don't believe it is "global" hysteria that they want.  They want the western world (USA primary) to be undermined.
[15:18] <monk> they try to report about planet x its the end of their career
[15:18] <Jeremy> bye
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[15:19] <Angelic> sapph, it won't happen
[15:19] <sapphire> Banking institutions and public confidence in futures markets are probably a prime target.
[15:19] <Keitazard> well why don't we just send an email to nasa and ask about px
[15:19] <monk> just blow up the stock market that will do it
[15:19] <sapphire> angelic: i think you are right.  It won't play out the way ZT wants, because the debunkers have "risen" now.
[15:20] <monk> http://www.survivalscience.org/debunk/default.shtml
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[15:21] <Angelic> sapph, yes, nothing to debunk if it was true
[15:21] <sapphire> monk: pretty good article
[15:21] <Angelic> I had that one url as favorite, good indeed
[15:23] <sapphire> I see ZT as but one "arm" of a campaign to attack human interests.  "zetas" are a real threat.
[15:25] <monk> were already in troubled sapphire
[15:25] <monk> ww3
[15:25] <monk> pollution
[15:25] <monk> mind controll
[15:25] <Angelic> don't worry about a ww3
[15:26] <monk> were already doomed
[15:27] <monk> yea im not worried about ww3 planet x will get us before that
[15:27] <Angelic> nice mindset, you only doom yourself with that one
[15:27] <sapphire> i like the movie "signs" (Nancy hates it) because it shows you a scenario in which psychological manipulation can be used against us
[15:27] <Keitazard> well it would be easier to survive from ww3
[15:27] <sapphire> by an enemy which is not nearly as powerful as we are led to believe
[15:28] <Keitazard> i wonder if anyone of us will survive if it comes
[15:29] <monk> I wanna surive
[15:29] <sapphire> well, obviously humans have survived before...in Nancy's scenario of PX and poleshift, or we wouldn't be here
[15:29] <Keitazard> who wouldn't
[15:30] <Keitazard> well i live in finland
[15:30] <Keitazard> i wonder what chance do i have
[15:31] <sapphire> keitazard: you have more to fear from an auto accident
[15:31] <monk> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/safelocs.htm
[15:31] <monk> keitazard: you have nothing to fear
[15:31] <Keitazard> why
[15:31] <Keitazard> it will be a disaster right?
[15:31] <monk> yes
[15:31] <sapphire> no
[15:32] <Keitazard> :D
[15:32] <monk> it will be pretty bad
[15:32] <Keitazard> yes/no
[15:32] <monk> but u shouldn't be in fear because of it
[15:32] <Keitazard> on/off
[15:32] <sapphire> there will be no pole shift...there is no Planet X
[15:32] <monk> prepare for it but dont fear it
[15:32] <Keitazard> sapphire how are u so sure there is no px
[15:32] <sapphire> always be prepared for all kinds of possible disasters, but there is no Pole Shift
[15:33] <monk> for life lives on after your death of your body
[15:33] <sapphire> IMO images prove Nancy is wrong
[15:33] <sapphire> Nancy keeps moving her viewing dates forward
[15:33] <sapphire> with excuses
[15:33] <monk> how can images prove nancy wrong
[15:33] <sapphire> also...ZT is wrong concerning multiple obvious events
[15:33] <obany> monk: sapphire is only here go get info to update hs debuning site ...
[15:34] <obany> debunking
[15:34] <Keitazard> well we'll see all in may 2003
[15:34] <sapphire> if Nancy were telling the truth, no amount of debunking would threaten you obany, but you are so threatened...
[15:34] <monk> I would love to see sapphires face when it does happen :P
[15:34] <Keitazard> did the z's tell that it will be in may 2003?
[15:34] <monk> where do u live sapphire
[15:35] <monk> keitazard: yes
[15:35] <obany> ooh come on sapphire ...
[15:35] <Keitazard> damn i wish that time would go faster
[15:36] <Keitazard> cause i want to now will it come or not
[15:36] <sapphire> obany: on May 15 2003 you will still be vacuuming the same carpet in the same hotel.  All will be the same as it is now.  PX will not give you an escape from your current life.  Sorry.
[15:37] <Keitazard> damn i'm so confused again
[15:37] <obany> saphire: i am not vacuuming a carpet in a hotel ..
[15:38] <Angelic> I had an out of the ordinary dream two years ago. I was in another country, it was after the shift happened, I was standing on a hill looking upon the hills, I was surprised for there was no darkness, no heavy gloom just white fog.. and a zetalike being to my right put his hand on my right shoulder and heard the 'words' "it is not as bad as you expected, it will be ok"
[15:39] <sapphire> keitazard: trust me, when you are 50 years old you will not be wishing for time to go faster...wish for it to go slower. :)
[15:39] <Keitazard> :D
[15:39] <obany> And i am sure it will occur, the Pole Shift that is ... and who says that i will vaccumclean carpets my who live
[15:40] <obany> whole
[15:40] <Keitazard> well i'm not so intrested about life so if it will come then i will be excited to experience it
[15:41] <sapphire> obany: a lot of people want to believe in PX because they wish to escape from their current problems and feel there is no other way out.
[15:41] <Keitazard> one part of me wishes it to come and other part doesn't know
[15:41] <sapphire> they wish for the disaster to happen.
[15:41] <monk> I look forward to live off the land
[15:41] <Keitazard> sapphire, you're pretty right
[15:41] <monk> I think its gonna be a good experience
[15:42] <monk> hard but good
[15:42] <obany> sapphire: and you think i am one of those kind of people ... ?
[15:42] <Keitazard> well i just thought that i want a telescope as my birthday present
[15:42] <Keitazard> 3 august is my birthday
[15:43] <monk> sapphire: theres always a way out .. They should just in some mountain in the wilderness and live
[15:43] <monk> live in some mountain
[15:43] <sapphire> obany: i don't know.  I can only speculate about you.  Unless, you want to tell me your story.  How you got involved with ZT and etc...
[15:43] <monk> why would u need a diaster to free yourself
[15:44] <ukuz> Obany, i think we all are in some ways...
[15:44] <ukuz> :(
[15:44] <ukuz> dont you think?
[15:44] <Keitazard> well because life is so boring we want something like that happen
[15:44] <Keitazard> at least i do
[15:44] <sapphire> monk: some people are "re-constructionists".  They believe that the world could be made into a better place if it were destroyed and everything started over again from scratch
[15:45] <sapphire> ZT plays into this belief of the re-constructionists
[15:45] <obany> nah, i rather don't tell that story
[15:45] <monk> sapphire :I believe the same way
[15:45] <sapphire> monk: exactly
[15:45] <Angelic> why not obany? sapphire will not twist your words nor will anybody else, what are you afraif of?
[15:46] <monk> sapphire: I think when 90% of the people die off it will be easier for us to transform into the 4th density
[15:46] <monk> we will have to work together to survive
[15:46] <obany> I am just not going to... and i don't want others to say it either you know
[15:46] <monk> but im worried about the STS people taking advantage of this
[15:47] <Angelic> to say what obany?
[15:47] <obany> to tell my story
[15:47] <Angelic> obany you seem to have some reason to hide why?
[15:48] <obany> why should my story be put on a webpage or for all kinds of people to read .. that's why i don't say it or tell it ...
[15:48] <obany> personal reasons
[15:48] <Angelic> that is called privacy
[15:48] <Angelic> I respect that
[15:48] <sapphire> monk: if 90 percent of earth's population dies, then an invading force has no resistance.  I assume you have considered this?
[15:48] <Keitazard> it's all the same when niburu comes
[15:48] <obany> privacy yes
[15:49] <ukuz> sounds like fear took place, obany....
[15:49] <ukuz> ?
[15:49] <obany> ukuz: ?
[15:49] <Angelic> there is fear for ridicule I am sure
[15:49] <Keitazard> well i will get a telescope and look up to skies if something unordinary will happen this and next year
[15:50] <obany> Angelic: no i rather don't tell
[15:50] <Keitazard> do you know what SETI is
[15:50] <monk> sapphire: thats one thing i worry about after the pole shift
[15:50] <ukuz> i mean you seemed to have an experience that you dont want to talk about maybe because of it being frightful
[15:50] <obany> ukuz: why do you think that?
[15:50] <sapphire> obany: No ridicule.  If you want to write something.  I will post it on the site without change.  Say whatever you want.
[15:51] <Keitazard> do u guys know what SETI is
[15:51] <sapphire> yes
[15:51] <ukuz> i'v heard of people who were that way
[15:51] <Angelic> seti is a farce
[15:51] <monk> i think seti is a joke
[15:51] <Keitazard> i have the seti program on my computer
[15:51] <Keitazard> it's not a joke
[15:51] <Angelic> its not a joke because?
[15:52] <Angelic> because you have it on your pc?
[15:52] <Angelic> because you can see it?
[15:52] <Keitazard> yes and it's scanning and it was even told in TV
[15:52] <monk> waiting to hear freq. from outspace from green men thats a joke
[15:52] <sapphire> I believe the problem with SETI, is that is assumes to many things
[15:53] <obany> i am not going to provide info for you site or page .. the only thing i did i saying that i don't clear logs .. but i am not going to mention things that i consider of personal nature etc.. And yes you want some more info about me, i know
[15:53] <ukuz> obany, ive even spoken to one who has experienced things
[15:53] <sapphire> Radio waves are NOT the answer
[15:53] <Keitazard> what is
[15:53] <Keitazard> ?
[15:53] <sapphire> I don't know, but what they are looking for in SETI cannot be found by looking at radio waves
[15:54] <sapphire> they move too slow
[15:54] <Angelic> radio waves is actually pretty old, and the populace will not get the waves.. an aliens race would use a means of communication to the world, something that can be seen by all, not just by the few to be withold from the many
[15:54] <Keitazard> maybe they don't just scan radiowaves
[15:54] <Angelic> maybe cropcircles (minu the hoaxed ones)
[15:55] <Angelic> minus
[15:55] <Keitazard> maybe they scan everything they catch
[15:55] <sapphire> My point is that radio waves will never breach the distances in an amount of time which is relevant.  An "advanced" civilization would be way beyond radio waves as a means of communication
[15:55] <Angelic> they catch radio waves, not everything
[15:55] <Keitazard> that's true
[15:55] <Keitazard> well what would be the good thing then
[15:55] <Angelic> radio waves would be old.. not up to date with the senders
[15:56] <Keitazard> light?
[15:56] <Angelic> cropcircles are a sign of an intelligence
[15:56] <Keitazard> what are they
[15:56] <sapphire> By the time we recieve their "radio waves" they will be thousands maybe millions of years beyond that technology
[15:56] <Keitazard> cropcircles?
[15:57] <sapphire> Money would be better spent researching the phenomena that actually started the "search" in the first place
[15:57] <Angelic> go to: www.cropcircleconnector.com to see what they are and read about it
[15:58] <sapphire> UFO sightings actually started the whole trend for people to seek out ETs
[15:58] <monk> maybe they should spend the money recording activites in the sky
[15:58] <sapphire> so investigate UFO phenomena here on earth first
[15:59] <sapphire> also, I think are assumptions about space/time are not correct.  We still have "primitive" views of this.
[15:59] <Angelic> sapphire, an advanced race would first check out a by intelligent lifeforms inhabited planet before sending their greetings to it
[16:00] <sapphire> Scientists 100 years ago thought certain things about the universe.  Now, these things are considered crap.  So, it only reasons that many of our "facts" are crap now
[16:01] <monk> your conclusion science is wrong
[16:01] <Angelic> I'm sure we know too little to interpret the universe correctly
[16:01] <ukuz> Trivia... did you all know that the person who invented the modern day toilet was Mr. Crap?
[16:01] <Keitazard> how can it be that no one never caught on tape how cropcircle is born
[16:01] <sapphire> i don't have a conclusion.  I'm just saying that there are whole realms of possibility that we are not aware of YET.
[16:02] <ukuz> obany, did you know this?
[16:02] <ukuz> :)
[16:02] <monk> keitazard: everyone doesn't carry video cameras
[16:03] <sapphire> I'm also saying, that if "they" find "us" first (probably already happened), we are at a signifigant disadvantage.
[16:03] <Angelic> Keitazard, they have. I have one here of how one is formed
[16:03] <monk> You really believe that aliens are trying to kill us
[16:03] <sapphire> ukuz: yeah I think it was Sir Thomas Crapper, or similar
[16:03] <monk> what it sounds like
[16:04] <ukuz> youre right sapphire...hehe
[16:05] <Keitazard> where could i get videoclips of how cropcircles are formed
[16:05] <monk> Its like us humans trying to put fear on ants to destroy it
[16:05] <monk> which we can easily just destroy it with a small bomb
[16:06] <monk> I think the alien "invasion" is out of question
[16:06] <Angelic> Keitazard, what type of connection are you on? Cable? t1? isdn? modem?
[16:07] <Keitazard> 512 adsl
[16:07] <Keitazard> fast enough
[16:07] <monk> how much u pay per month ?
[16:07] <Keitazard> 250e
[16:07] <sapphire> monk:  how do you know they have advanced technology which is as powerful as they claim?  You have only their words and their illusions.
[16:07] <Angelic> Keita, if you have 5 min I will look for the vid and dcc it to you
[16:08] <Keitazard> nono  not 250e
[16:08] <Keitazard> ok
[16:09] <Keitazard> i pay 250mk and one euro is about 6 marks
[16:09] <Keitazard> so you can calculate
[16:09] <Keitazard> about 50 euros in month
[16:09] <monk> not bad
[16:09] <Keitazard> no it's less
[16:10] <Keitazard> well anyway where's the video?
[16:10] <monk> sapphire : any race of aliens that have the power to travel through space has the power to destroy us easy
[16:11] <Keitazard> maybe with wisdom comes the peace
[16:11] <Keitazard> damn i'm gettin sleepy here
[16:11] <monk> we are their brothers
[16:12] <sapphire> monk: how do you know they "travel through space".  You have only your assumptions, which they eagerly build upon.  They could be right next door.
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[16:12] <monk> we all come from the same source
[16:12] <monk> or maybe they can be underground
[16:12] <sapphire> perhaps
[16:13] <Keitazard> or maybe they are from mars
[16:13] <monk> waiting for us to all panic when they shoot up and illusion in the sky so they can take advantage of the chaos
[16:13] <sapphire> Or their "density" story could be partially true.  And they are just out of reach.
[16:13] <Angelic> hold on Keitazard, I think I found the cd with the cropcircle vid
[16:13] <Keitazard> well there is water on mars
[16:13] <Keitazard> k send it to me
[16:13] <monk> yea maybe they are right here but were not at a high enough freq to see them
[16:14] <sapphire> perhaps they are "angels" and "demons"
[16:14] <Keitazard> no
[16:14] <Keitazard> not angels
[16:14] <monk> i see angels
[16:14] <Keitazard> i don't cause there isn't any
[16:14] <sapphire> Were the europeans who colonized America "good" or "bad"?
[16:14] <Keitazard> aliens are even possible
[16:15] <ukuz> Dont angels come with supposedly great amounts of light?
[16:15] <ukuz> and not in the dark?
[16:15] <monk> ukuz: yes
[16:15] <Keitazard> well light is just light
[16:15] <Keitazard> nothin else
[16:16] <monk> you need light to see the angels
[16:16] <monk> thats what i meant
[16:16] <ukuz> so if an alien comes in the dark this is not a good thing huh?
[16:16] <monk> i see shadow people
[16:16] <sapphire> see my question above
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[16:17] <Keitazard> they weren't good or bad
[16:17] <monk> sapphire: who knows if they were bad or good i didn't know them personally i just know what they did in a histroy book which is probaly disinfo
[16:17] <Keitazard> they just did what they wanted
[16:17] <sapphire> ok, then the question is a lot more complicated than Good vs. Evil or STO vs STS
[16:18] <sapphire> things are not simple
[16:18] <Keitazard> well the line of good or bad is pretty big so I can't relly tell anything
[16:18] <sapphire> things are not black and white
[16:18] <ukuz> like a big gray area
[16:18] <sapphire> yes
[16:18] <Keitazard> angie are u gettin that video?
[16:19] <sapphire> depends upon your perspective
[16:19] <monk> depends on how u define evil and good
[16:19] <sapphire> yes
[16:19] <sapphire> So, when a woman tells you what is STO and what is STS you should realize that the world is not so simple
[16:19] <ukuz> if they force their will on you then thats not so good
[16:20] <monk> well thats easy
[16:20] <monk> sts is helping yourself sto is helping others
[16:20] <Angelic> looking through my cd's
[16:20] * obany goes now bye and take care
[16:20] <monk> bye obany take care
[16:20] <Keitazard> bye
[16:20] <ukuz> bye obany
[16:20] <sapphire> later
[16:22] <Keitazard> let's talk about something ordinary then
[16:22] <Keitazard> what's your hobbies
[16:22] <monk> talking about planet x :p
[16:23] <obany> i have it ... angelic ... that video file .. so if you haven't found it yet
[16:23] <Angelic> i lost the cd
[16:23] <Angelic> i remember
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[16:23] <Angelic> can you dcc it?
[16:24] <obany> it's the oliver castle one you mean right?
[16:24] <monk> hi westbrook
[16:24] <Westbrook> hello :)
[16:24] <monk> hows it going ?
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[16:24] <Westbrook> goin pretty good atm actually
[16:24] <Keitazard> so who will send the video then?
[16:24] <obany> yes
[16:25] <monk> I would actually like to see the video myself
[16:25] <monk> send it to me after u get it keit :)
[16:25] <Westbrook> Nancy's video?
[16:25] <Keitazard> ok monk
[16:26] <monk> some video of a crop circle being made
[16:26] <obany> no, of a light .... making a crop cirlce
[16:26] <Westbrook> interesting
[16:26] <Keitazard> monk, actually i have some problems with dcc sending
[16:26] <monk> I wanna see if the light is the same thing i see
[16:26] <Keitazard> obany could you send it to monk too
[16:27] <monk> i got it thanks
[16:27] <monk> pretty amazing
[16:27] <obany> zetatalk says the video is real http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a79.htm
[16:27] <obany> okay bye now
[16:27] <Westbrook> If I saw something like that going on I wouldn't be there for very long
[16:28] <monk> i actually see lights like that everyday :)
[16:29] <monk> looks like its a spirit not a vechile
[16:29] <obany> in the awakening section of ZT there is some more info about crop circles and they also says who makes them, a alien race that lives the water
[16:29] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a22.htm
[16:30] <obany> okay bye
[16:30] <Westbrook> bye Obany :)
[16:30] <monk> yea i read most of zetatalk already
[16:30] <Westbrook> ditto, great stuff
[16:30] <Keitazard> could you send it again i lost it :D
[16:31] <Keitazard> thx
[16:31] <Keitazard> :D
[16:31] <obany> and now don't loose it ...
[16:31] <Keitazard> i wont :)
[16:31] <obany> almost 1:30am here hehehe
[16:31] <obany> bye
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[16:31] <monk> ill send it
[16:31] <obany> he has it and i go now
[16:31] <Angelic> fucking crap computer
[16:31] <obany> bye
[16:31] <obany> teruste Angelic
[16:31] <obany> nite
[16:32] <Angelic> bedoelde je die met die twee lichtende orbs?
[16:32] <Keitazard> holy crap
[16:32] <Keitazard> pretty crazy stuff
[16:32] <Angelic> die had ik je ooit gestuurd nl
[16:32] <monk> english please
[16:33] <Angelic> I speak in my language if I want, you do too
[16:33] <monk> ok thats coo
[16:33] <obany> die over een veld heen vliegen jah die
[16:33] <obany> maar goed teruste
[16:33] <Angelic> ja die ja :) die cd moest ik weggooien want het reflecterende laagje zat een gat in :)
[16:34] <Angelic> terusten
[16:34] <obany> als het dezelfde is ... van oliver castle waarin een graancirkel wordt gemaakt :)
[16:34] <obany> bye
[16:34] <obany> nite
[16:34] <Angelic> keitazard, I lost that cd please dcc it to me
[16:34] <Angelic> denk het wel
[16:35] <obany> there it is
[16:35] <Angelic> mpg right
[16:35] <obany> yes mpg
[16:35] <Angelic> ok thnx
[16:36] <obany> :)
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[16:36] <monk> sapphire: Its good that your skeptical if people weren't then we would believe anything but i think theres alot to zetatalk
[16:36] <Angelic> well, I had this one but in color!
[16:37] <Keitazard> ok i go sleep now but will be back tomorrow sometime
[16:37] <Angelic> goodnite
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[16:38] <monk> damn i wasted most of my day in this chatroom :P
[16:43] <sapphire> monk: yes, there is a lot to ZT.  But, you would do well to ignore it.
[16:44] <monk> ever read about the discloser project ?
[16:44] <monk> fake alien invasion
[16:45] <monk> I think were more threat from our own government then any aliens
[16:45] <sapphire> monk: i don't know about disclosure project.
[16:45] <sapphire> Going to sleep
[16:46] <monk> good night sapphire
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[16:46] <sapphire> night
[16:46] <outhere77> h
[16:46] <outhere77> i
[16:46] <Westbrook> hello outhere
[16:47] <outhere77> whats the topic of discussion tonight
[16:47] <Westbrook> I imagine anything
[16:47] <monk> http://www.disclosureproject.org/
[16:47] <monk> yea anything u want
[16:48] <monk> we were talking about planet x
[16:49] <monk> what do u think about it outthere77
[16:49] <outhere77> what is that site with the videos of planet x
[16:49] <monk> no videos of planet x i think
[16:49] <monk> maybe nasa does but u know them :P
[16:49] <Westbrook> nope nope
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[18:23] <onlainari> atshuit
[18:23] <ukuz> guzuntite...
[18:24] <onlainari> what time nancy is here
[18:24] <onlainari> on saturdaty
[18:24] <ukuz> 22:00 gmt
[18:25] <onlainari> gmt = bst ?
[18:25] <ukuz> do you have some questions to ask her?
[18:25] <onlainari> nope
[18:25] <onlainari> just want to see a show where she is
[18:26] <onlainari> came here last sunday
[18:26] <ukuz> gmt=greenwich mean time
[18:26] <ukuz> or
[18:26] <onlainari> ok thanks
[18:26] <ukuz> UTC
[18:26] <ukuz> how was it last saturday?
[18:26] <onlainari> so I can't be here
[18:26] <onlainari> didn't see it
[18:26] <ukuz> ok
[18:34] <ukuz> onlainari, did you take a look at last saturdays' session yet?
[18:36] <ukuz> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cjul2002.htm
[18:36] <onlainari> jah,I took a look at it
[18:37] <onlainari> just haven't had time to read earlier logs so much
[18:37] <ukuz> ok
[18:37] <onlainari> ukuz,how long have u been around
[18:37] <ukuz> less than a month
[18:37] <onlainari> here at zeta and tt
[18:37] <onlainari> ok
[18:38] <ukuz> how about you?
[18:38] <onlainari> last sunday
[18:38] <ukuz> there are people here who know alot about the subject
[18:39] <ukuz> im still catching up
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[18:39] <ukuz> :)
[18:39] <onlainari> yeah me too
[18:40] <onlainari> sapphire knows quite much,seen his page?
[18:40] <ukuz> yes
[18:40] <onlainari> do u believe in niburu ?
[18:40] <ukuz> i think its somewhere out there
[18:40] <ukuz> :)
[18:40] <onlainari> heh
[18:40] <ukuz> how about you?
[18:41] <onlainari> I don't believe it...but I want to get all the info so i'm here
[18:41] <onlainari> what I heard that now it should be somewhere near jupiter
[18:41] <ukuz> then you see it as a possibility just like me huh?
[18:41] <ukuz> yes
[18:42] <onlainari> yep
[18:42] <ukuz> do you have a telescope?
[18:42] <onlainari> nope,do you?
[18:42] <ukuz> no just binoculars
[18:42] <ukuz> heh
[18:42] <onlainari> i'm not really in it...just getting information from this channel,and internet
[18:42] <onlainari> webpages
[18:42] <ukuz> theres a bunch here you can gather
[18:43] <swos> until someone proves this to be hoaxx :)
[18:43] <onlainari> hi swo
[18:43] <swos> hi onlaianri
[18:43] <ukuz> perhaps
[18:43] <ukuz> hi
[18:43] <swos> hi
[18:44] <ukuz> Swos, whats swos mean?
[18:44] <swos> perfection in the field of computergaming
[18:44] <onlainari> Starts Sith O'some S
[18:44] <onlainari> Sith = With
[18:45] <swos> sexy withOut shirt
[18:45] <ukuz> Oracle?
[18:45] <ukuz> ahhhhhhhhh
[18:45] <ukuz> heh
[18:45] <onlainari> haha
[18:45] <onlainari> I go get some food,brb
[18:45] <swos> I get some sleep
[18:45] <swos> cya l8r
[18:45] <ukuz> "im too sexy for my shirt"
[18:45] <ukuz> :)
[18:46] <swos> my shirt is portugal national soccer team shirt
[18:46] <swos> #7
[18:46] <ukuz> i see
[18:46] <swos> signing off
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[18:59] <ukuz> and when its late, they rest their weary minds, for another go at TT...
[18:59] <ukuz> :)
[19:00] <ukuz> (yawn...)
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[22:42] <vallor> hallo
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[22:56] <ukuz> Hi
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[23:47] <LE_RENARD__> hello there
[23:48] <ukuz_zzz> hi
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[23:48] <LE_RENARD__> hello zetadrones
[23:48] <ukuz_zzz> :)
[23:48] <LE_RENARD__> :)
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