Session Start: Mon Jul 29 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[01:51] <ukuz_zzz> Hi
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[02:00] <onlainari> DW talks about asteroids today quite much it seems
[02:01] <onlainari> deutsche welle german television channel
[02:01] <ukuz> are you in Germany. Onlainari?
[02:01] <onlainari> no,i'm in Finland ,but I got the channel
[02:02] <ukuz> ok
[02:03] <ukuz> so what are they saying about the asteroid?
[02:03] <onlainari> it's their Top Story today..documenting just some stuff..said that in 5-10 years there will be put a satellite between sun and the mercurius to detect asteroids...and then about the dangers and what effects an asteroid might bring
[02:03] <onlainari> it's just fun to watch it in tv instead reading on the internet
[02:04] <onlainari> nothing special
[02:04] <onlainari> 50 asteroids they are monitoring atm
[02:04] <onlainari> that might collide
[02:05] <ukuz> i heard a suggestion here on the news about attaching a big solar wind sail on the thing
[02:05] <onlainari> yeah me too.I read it somewhere internet,but they didn't mention it on the first document they showed
[02:05] <onlainari> just that they put some dynamityyz on the orbit
[02:07] <ukuz> you know if they try blowing it up, we may have deal with the chunks falling down on us
[02:07] <onlainari> yeah...but those asteroid things are far in future I guess...though they said that a football size asteroidstones falls on earth monthly
[02:08] <onlainari> they aren't really reported in any news...maybe they just fall somewhere in the ocean...they showed one that falled on some car...went through the car to ground :)
[02:09] <ukuz> sounds like a scifi movie i ween
[02:09] <ukuz> :)
[02:09] <ukuz> seen
[02:09] <FunBot> Um, ukuz, it might help if you ask me about _someone_...
[02:09] <onlainari> hehe
[02:09] <onlainari> lol
[02:09] <onlainari> seen nancyl
[02:09] <FunBot> nancyl was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 1 day, 13 hours, 57 minutes ago.
[02:10] <ukuz> seen nancyl
[02:10] <FunBot> nancyl was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 1 day, 13 hours, 58 minutes ago.
[02:10] <ukuz> seen
[02:10] <FunBot> Um, ukuz, it might help if you ask me about _someone_...
[02:11] <ukuz> hmm
[02:11] <onlainari> seen ukuz
[02:11] <FunBot> ukuz is on the channel right now!
[02:11] <ukuz> hehe
[02:11] <ukuz> seen funbot
[02:11] <FunBot> You found me, ukuz!
[02:11] <onlainari> :D
[02:11] <ukuz> :)
[02:12] <ukuz> yikes!
[02:12] <onlainari> seen aliens
[02:13] <FunBot> I don't know who aliens is.
[02:13] <onlainari> damn :)
[02:13] <onlainari> seen niburu
[02:13] <FunBot> I don't know who niburu is.
[02:13] <ukuz> it talks...
[02:13] <ukuz> seen the hell
[02:13] <FunBot> I don't know who the is.
[02:14] <ukuz> seen the_hell
[02:14] <FunBot> I don't know who the_hell is.
[02:14] <ukuz> seen the_hell_that
[02:14] <FunBot> I don't know who the_hell_that is.
[02:14] <onlainari> heh
[02:16] <ukuz> so onlainari, do you beleive in the Zetas existance?
[02:16] <onlainari> no..
[02:16] <onlainari> you?
[02:16] <ukuz> im skeptical
[02:16] <onlainari> okay
[02:16] <ukuz> borderline doubtful
[02:17] <ukuz> :/
[02:17] <onlainari> http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/July2002/28sunspots.htm
[02:17] <onlainari> did u read that?
[02:17] <onlainari> it's yesterday's I think
[02:17] <ukuz> let me see
[02:18] <onlainari> just one of those
[02:18] <ukuz> ok
[02:19] <onlainari> it says niburu is BS but then in the bottom it tries to explain the changes in our weather
[02:19] <ukuz> sounds like a twist at the end?
[02:19] <onlainari> mmm,maybe a little...
[02:20] <onlainari> but the page where the text is...is same kind of thing as zetatalk...they want to talk about natures changes etc
[02:20] <onlainari> and predict stuff
[02:20] <ukuz> i see
[02:21] <onlainari> I would suspect an increase in tornadoes and possibly early hurricanes as a result of this current solar influence. I would include "Freak Storms" to pop around the nation and parts of the world. New "record" weather phenomenon will be included.
[02:21] <ukuz> another dollar sign there somewhere for them maybe?
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[02:21] <onlainari> yep,very much
[02:21] <LE_RENARD__> hey
[02:21] <onlainari> now it's asteroid stuff on dw
[02:21] <ukuz> Hey there Le
[02:21] <onlainari> but in german this time mmh
[02:21] <onlainari> hello
[02:21] <onlainari> it's english-german channel
[02:21] <onlainari> now talking some bout hale-bobb...damn can't understand a shit
[02:22] <LE_RENARD__> hey ukuz
[02:22] <ukuz> Hale Bopps gone isnt it?
[02:22] <onlainari> yes
[02:22] <ukuz> wb LE
[02:23] <ukuz> so whats the talk about Hale Bopp?
[02:24] <LE_RENARD__> so, wheres nancy?
[02:24] <onlainari> I don't know,it's german
[02:24] <ukuz> shes probably looking thru her telescope
[02:24] <ukuz> :)
[02:25] <onlainari> don't speak the language,but they changed the subject quite quickly
[02:25] <ukuz> i see
[02:25] <LE_RENARD__> has she mentioned anything about 2002 N77 ?
[02:25] <ukuz> someone asked her saturday
[02:26] <LE_RENARD__> NT7 rather
[02:26] <LE_RENARD__> and what did she answer?
[02:26] <onlainari> that it's BS
[02:26] <onlainari> it's not coming
[02:26] <ukuz> let me look  brb
[02:26] <LE_RENARD__> lol
[02:27] <ukuz> ZT: Thus, this 2019 asteroid is no more likely to bash into Earth than the other false alarms announced recently, but the common man has no way of proving that.
[02:27] <LE_RENARD__> lol
[02:27] <ukuz> sounds safe
[02:28] <ukuz> hehe
[02:28] <LE_RENARD__> can she prove her planet then?
[02:28] <ukuz> a simple "idont know" would work fine to me
[02:28] <ukuz> only time would tell
[02:30] <ukuz> i dont think theres hard evidense yet
[02:31] <ukuz> :)
[02:31] <onlainari> and there won't be :)
[02:32] <ukuz> how are you sure Onlai?
[02:32] <onlainari> sept-oct one should see it through telescope according to latest information of zt isn't that right?
[02:32] <LE_RENARD__> cause nancy leider is a scam artist
[02:33] <ukuz> maybe so
[02:33] <onlainari> I just don't believe in stuff like that....it's same thing that someone tries to tell me that god will appear to everyone's eyes
[02:33] <onlainari> to be seen
[02:34] <ukuz> there may have been some incident in ancient past like the sumerian said, but to no present month or year  can really be predicted to me
[02:35] <ukuz> its just her word
[02:35] <ukuz> (for the month and year of PX)
[02:37] <LE_RENARD__> and those stupid fucks who believe her
[02:37] <ukuz> so seeing is the only proof we will get
[02:37] <ukuz> if any
[02:38] <onlainari> I want some news now...it's really nothing happening my life right now...would be best time to get some news...these next couple weeks
[02:39] <onlainari> then I could have time to think about them....not catastrophes but some interesting stuff :>
[02:39] <onlainari> news from the world I mean of course
[02:41] <ukuz> yeah, this PX thing is taking alot of my time and if this thing is not viewable 7 weeks before may then i give up
[02:41] <ukuz> :/
[02:41] <ukuz> of course it makes good entertainment to chat here too
[02:42] <onlainari> yea
[02:43] <ukuz> kind of like listening to ArtBell show...  heh
[02:43] <onlainari> wish I could hear/see it
[02:43] <LE_RENARD__> ukuz dont be so stupid
[02:43] <LE_RENARD__> PX is bullshit
[02:43] <LE_RENARD__> period
[02:43] <onlainari> isn't that artbell also coming from tv ?
[02:43] <ukuz> i just have to see for my self
[02:44] <onlainari> hmm
[02:44] <onlainari> just reading the finnish news page thingie
[02:44] <onlainari> so USA is going to attack iraq this month ?
[02:44] <onlainari> aggressive attack
[02:45] <onlainari> it says here
[02:45] <onlainari> maybe it means august
[02:45] <onlainari> and iraq says they can handle usa strikes easily
[02:46] <onlainari> what if iraq strikes back to usa's homeland?
[02:47] <onlainari> haven't they thoght bout that
[02:47] <onlainari> I mean...they should think again :)
[02:47] <ukuz> they must have been trying
[02:48] <ukuz> but security is tight all over the U.S. now
[02:48] <ukuz> i dont see a clear motive about the Zetas yet since i think if they exist, then they should already help the people prepare with their know-how
[02:49] <ukuz> why wait for afterwards
[02:49] <onlainari> yea,but if the planet x is meant to wipe out earth's ppl
[02:49] <onlainari> we are getting overpopulated
[02:50] <ukuz> so that means theyre not the "peace Corp." as nancy puts it
[02:50] <onlainari> they just warn the ppl who are worth it...seeking the information and believing it
[02:50] <LE_RENARD__> dont believe everything  nancy cult leider tells you
[02:51] <onlainari> but u can that in many ways...if the planet x won't come...we would get overpopulated or perhaps..soon would come big nuclear weapon ww3 and more than that 90% would die anyway
[02:51] <ukuz> hehe
[02:51] <onlainari> so they just think it good
[02:52] <onlainari> I don't know..haven't read enough of zetatalk...what they are about to
[02:52] <ukuz> well Nuclear weapons are a real possibility now
[02:52] <onlainari> more other pages...
[02:52] <onlainari> yes they are..and even more when USA makes massive strike to iraq
[02:53] <LE_RENARD__> who said that
[02:53] <onlainari> me
[02:53] <onlainari> :D
[02:53] <ukuz> it would be raining missles at iraq if they used nuclear weapons on U.S.
[02:53] <onlainari> and everyone knows nucl weap danger atm
[02:53] <onlainari> yes
[02:54] <onlainari> but how much iraq cares if in any case saddam hussein is going to be brought down
[02:54] <ukuz> they know its the last war for them if they start one
[02:54] <ukuz> hehe
[02:54] <onlainari> yeah,and last to usa too
[02:54] <ukuz> maybe
[02:55] <LE_RENARD__> and perhaps, for mankind
[02:55] <ukuz> yep
[02:55] <onlainari> did u read the page of FEMA preparing for mass destr ?
[02:55] <ukuz> you mean the undergound shelters?
[02:56] <onlainari> yeah...
[02:56] <onlainari> wonder where they are making them..
[02:56] <onlainari> and how ppl would live in those places...
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[02:57] <ukuz> I think its in near virginia somewhere, but only for government people
[02:58] <ukuz> supposedly able to shelter thousands
[02:59] <onlainari> ok
[02:59] <ukuz> the rest of us are on our own
[02:59] <ukuz> :/
[02:59] <onlainari> yeh
[03:00] <onlainari> I would say that u guys in USA are way greater danger than for instance we finns here in finland
[03:00] <ukuz> it does seem that way
[03:01] <ukuz> but hopefully our defense is smarter than the enemy
[03:01] <ukuz> so far its been pretty good
[03:02] <onlainari> ye
[03:05] <ukuz> i think if the U.S. decides to have a nuclear exchange with the enemy, that will be the end of the life we know of today worldwide
[03:06] <onlainari> maybe
[03:07] <ukuz> and I dont think even the Zetas would survive...
[03:08] <ukuz> if there is such thing
[03:08] <ukuz> :)
[03:09] <onlainari> who knows,maybe the aliens come to prevent such things
[03:09] <onlainari> nuclear exchanges
[03:09] <onlainari> meant with "such things" :)
[03:10] <ukuz> possibly so
[03:12] <ukuz> I think there maybe a Planet X somewhere and thats what made me search the internet for info, but  when reading about the Zetas, it seemed more like reincarnation and souls etc... like a faith or religion
[03:13] <ukuz> (faith or religion looking for followers)
[03:13] <onlainari> yeah
[03:15] <ukuz> and it sounded as though if we live with the luxuries of the modern world, we maybe viewed as STS automatically.
[03:15] <ukuz> thats the impression im getting
[03:17] <onlainari> what's STS ?
[03:17] <onlainari> sorry
[03:22] <ukuz> its what nancy calls "Service To Self" people that wont be chosen during the transition stage
[03:22] <ukuz> (basically STS people will end up as lower forms of life )
[03:22] <onlainari> ok thanks for explaining
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[03:22] <onlainari> brb
[03:23] <ukuz> ok
[03:29] <Pott> hey
[03:29] <ukuz> hi pott
[03:29] <ukuz> been rollin any today?
[03:29] <ukuz> heh
[03:30] <ukuz> so what do you think Pott?
[03:30] <ukuz> are you gonna be chosen a STO ?
[03:31] <ukuz> or end up to a lower life form(STS)?
[03:33] <Pott> I'll choose neither.
[03:33] <ukuz> heh
[03:33] <Pott> The dynamics of things goes much father than that.
[03:34] <ukuz> how is that?
[03:34] <Pott> It's a class seperation I believe in pure form that there is no class seperation but pure balance.
[03:36] <Pott> Such classifications are required by such people whom are not spiritually evolved enough to understand their place amoung everything else.
[03:36] <ukuz> so maybe Nancy is considereing herself highclass?
[03:36] <Pott> Me personally I believe i've already made it passed these classifications and therefore do not require either or.
[03:37] <ukuz> is that from the maui stuff?
[03:37] <ukuz> :)
[03:37] <ukuz> hehe
[03:37] <Pott> Nancy would probably object but she's not important anyways.
[03:39] <Pott> From what I understand about myself is that I choose to come here from a much higher plane than most. I didn't have to come but I did I seek to understand why.
[03:39] <ukuz> you know, when the time arives and if there isnt any PX, and all this STO and STS talk is gonna disapoint manyy people
[03:40] <Pott> I know that I have something really important to do here.
[03:40] <ukuz> what?
[03:40] <Pott> There are still somethings perhaps better left a secret.
[03:40] <Pott> Time will tell.
[03:40] <ukuz> you sound as though the Zetas came to visit
[03:41] <Pott> Nah
[03:41] <ukuz> i came here looking for info on how to survive and got fear preached to me about STO and STS
[03:42] <Pott> The only way to deal with fear is to look it right in the face
[03:42] <Pott> later
[03:42] <Pott> all
[03:42] <ukuz> yeah right
[03:43] <ukuz> roll another one
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[04:16] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
[04:16] <obany> gee i am not that of a beer drinker but now i am drinking a small bottle of Grolsch .. hot here
[04:19] <obany> no one here ?
[04:22] <onlainari> I am obany,hello there
[04:26] <obany> hi
[04:29] <obany> about 29 degrees celcious here and when i looked that thermoter, wich hangs on place with no shadow ... it was more then a 40C (no wind there either)
[04:29] <obany> and usualy when it's around 30 here it's also humid
[04:29] <obany> wich sucks
[04:43] <obany> brb
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[05:37] <obany> hoi
[05:37] <obany> pfffff
[05:37] <obany> zucht
[05:37] <obany> hot
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[07:16] <Angelic> haha
[07:17] <obaway> hoi
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[07:20] <Angelic> werkse
[07:21] <obaway> thnx :)
[07:21] <Angelic> :)
[07:25] <obaway> zo ik ga nu weer ...
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[07:26] <Angelic> ? obaway > obany > obany > obaway ¿
[07:27] <obaway> ff topic aanpassen in #zetatalk
[07:27] <obaway> :)
[07:27] <Angelic> :)
[07:28] <obaway> okay nou ga ik echt mzzls
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[07:31] <TheViking> Anybody home?
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[08:09] <Freax> hi guys
[08:10] <Freax> id like to raise a certian thing ive come across
[08:10] <Freax> the biblical times
[08:10] <Freax> moses reign
[08:10] <Freax> they talked in the bible of a red moon
[08:10] <Freax> the moon is 70% iorn
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[08:11] <Freax> and according to mappings hasnt been recently volcanicly active
[08:11] <Freax> but! there may be fractures in the crust of luna that havent yet been discovered that could have gooed red lava or molten iorn
[08:11] <Freax> from the friction from planet x
[08:11] <Freax> 's last spin
[08:12] <Freax> which would explain the red moon
[08:12] <monk> maybe
[08:12] <Freax> maybe planet x wasnt as close then!
[08:12] <Freax> maybe its on an elliptical decaying orbit!
[08:12] <Freax> which means were in for deep shit this time round =P
[08:13] <monk> yea we are
[08:13] <Freax> and the pull from the crossing of the nile most definatly has to be some kind of planetary act
[08:14] <Freax> maybe even alien =P
[08:14] <Freax> boy is it pooring h2o out here
[08:14] <Freax> all i need now is tremors and im gone !
[08:15] <monk> where u live
[08:15] <Freax> sydney australia
[08:16] <Freax> damn wish soho could photograph away from the sun
[08:18] <monk> its dry here in california usa
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[08:18] <Freax-2> grr
[08:18] <Freax-2> you know im one step away from getting struck by lightning here
[08:19] <Freax-2> talking this way is blasphemous
[08:19] <Freax-2> im a jehovahs witness
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[08:21] <Freax> no litterally, im so close to the phone line thats coming from upstairs via 2 windows down the side of the brick, now soaked wall and phone line
[08:21] <Freax> well at least the wall is far away from the roof
[08:21] <Freax> and we have no antenna on the roof
[08:22] <Freax> but! i do have 15metres of quad shield running through the back door for tv from my uhf deep fringe ontop of a large pole on the back varandah
[08:22] <Freax> which could eaisily be struck by lightning at any moment
[08:22] <Freax> and take my playstation 2 with it
[08:22] <Freax> and my new tv and vcr
[08:22] <Freax> and my fish!
[08:23] <Freax> and maybe even me seeing the oil heater thats plugged into the same wall socket as the tv is not 1/2 a foot away from my leg
[08:24] <Freax> lets just hope the surge protector thats protecting my tv from surges /from/ the socket will stop it before it crosses over to the oil heaters cord
[08:24] <monk> that sucks
[08:24] <monk> probaly will
[08:25] <Freax> let alone the rediculous assumption that 240volt 10 amp cable can withstand lightning of billions of pressure for a long enough period of time to kill me
[08:25] <Freax> depends on the amperage of the strike
[08:26] <Freax> yeah those weird sony people design such a nice /expensive/ machine to live around a friggen tv!
[08:26] <Freax> tv's, vcr's, tuners get struck all the time
[08:27] <Freax> ever seen a bbc computer get struck ?
[08:27] <Freax> its not a healthy site for the user =P
[08:27] <Freax> i think that it was more healthy for all of us to get away from the tv and into the bedroom/workroom
[08:28] <Freax> but the invention of the internet and information sharing/modems and the use of phone lines, for people without underground cabling is im afraid more dangerous =P
[08:28] <Freax> still underground cabling dosent protect anything really, only the direct hit of a strike, if lightning hits earth itself then you're in trouble
[08:29] <Freax> hence the invention of the phone line surge protector
[08:30] <Freax> unfortunatly phone line surge protection isnt widespread here
[08:30] <Freax> the surge protectors for phone lines alone are in the range of $200
[08:30] <Freax> fucking australian currency
[08:30] <Freax> it used to be 70 cents to the US$ once =P
[08:31] <Freax> i remember when it was that
[08:31] <Freax> so close
[08:31] <Freax> now so far
[08:31] <Freax> wow, the scene at vancouver just heated up for me =P
[08:32] <Freax> at the end of the race, im watching the players cars get a beating =P
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[08:51] <Freax> hooray, kool wins!
[08:52] <Freax> honda honda honda
[08:52] <Freax> hooh hooh hooh
[08:53] <Freax> hmm sounds like upstairs just got broken into
[08:53] <Freax> brb
[08:59] <Freax> seems like nothing
[08:59] <Freax> brb lavatory
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[09:14] <monk> haha
[09:14] <monk> at first i thought u were talking to someone lol
[09:18] <Freax> oh noo
[09:18] <Freax> i never talk to anyone
[09:18] <Freax> anyone at all =)
[09:19] <Freax> you know if you take out so from sony you get ny =P
[09:19] <Freax> which kind of scares me
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[09:26] <Freax> weeeee
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[09:46] <monk> A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion and Counting
[09:47] <monk> I wonder what israel has on usa
[09:47] <Freax> hehehe
[09:47] <Freax> good god
[09:47] <Freax> that's bill gates twice over
[09:48] <monk> yea
[09:48] <monk> lol
[09:49] <monk> "We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
[09:49] <Freax> wow
[09:49] <Freax> lets bomb them
[09:49] <reticuli> do you have a reference for that by chance
[09:49] <Freax> bomb them to hell
[09:50] <monk> www.whatreallyhappened.com i seen it
[09:51] <reticuli> thx
[09:51] <monk> they know something the usa doesn't want us to know
[09:51] <monk> I think
[09:52] <reticuli> do you know where it is on that site?
[09:52] <monk> well he always comments on that statement
[09:52] <monk> theres more what he said also
[09:53] <monk> sharon is evil thats for sure
[09:54] <reticuli> monk, do you knpw where that quote is one that URL?
[09:54] <monk> I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
[09:54] <monk> Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
[09:54] <monk> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/quotes.html
[09:55] <Freax> bbs rebooting and disabling 2nd vcard
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[09:55] <reticuli> thanks monk
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[10:08] <monk> http://www.rense.com/general27/50.htm 50 more influenced jews
[10:09] <reticuli> Monk are you an anti-semite?
[10:10] <monk> what does that mean
[10:10] <reticuli> it means to hate the jewish people
[10:10] <monk> I love everyone
[10:11] <monk> but sharon is a evil man
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[10:17] <monk> I dont hate sharon
[10:17] <reticuli> i do
[10:22] <monk> your anti-semite?
[10:27] <reticuli> not at all, allthough some people think that if you are opposed to israels policy's that makes you an anti-semite
[10:27] <reticuli> I think thats absurd
[10:28] <monk> its illegal to boycott isreal in the usa
[10:28] <reticuli> what?
[10:30] <monk> ?
[10:31] <reticuli> its not illegal to boycott israel, but seeing how most of the their exports are weapons.....
[10:32] <monk> You try to boycott israel in the usa you will get arrested
[10:32] <reticuli> come on
[10:33] <reticuli> a boycott just means that you dont buy things made in israel.. how can they arrest you for that
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[10:34] <reticuli> in other words, how can you be arrested for something you disnt do
[10:34] <reticuli> "you stopped buying matzo balls, your going down punk!"
[10:34] <Freax> by money, greed, payoffs, blackmail, false accusations
[10:34] <reticuli> hehe
[10:35] <Freax> hehe
[10:35] <Freax> sounds like fun
[10:35] <monk> heheh
[10:35] <Freax> "please come again"
[10:35] <Freax> "in the next life"
[10:35] <Angelic> you can get arrested for not doing doing something, that is different than getting arrested for something you did not do
[10:36] <reticuli> its rare in the US
[10:36] <Angelic> don't pay your taxes then :)
[10:36] <reticuli> :)
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[10:37] <Freax> and 128meg into swap
[10:37] <Freax> getting close to the 311meg limit =D
[10:38] <reticuli> Yeah, USA is the land of the free, you are under no obligation in most jurisdictions to help drowning or dying people for example
[10:38] <reticuli> :)
[10:38] <Freax> heh what fun =D
[10:38] <reticuli> Unless you have a duty to them
[10:38] <reticuli> child etc
[10:39] <reticuli> whats you IQ angelic?
[10:40] <Angelic> huh?
[10:41] <reticuli> I was wondering if you ever had an IQ test?
[10:41] <Angelic> whatfor?
[10:41] <reticuli> nevermind, i was just curious
[10:41] <reticuli> it was a sincere question
[10:42] <reticuli> no ulterior motives
[10:42] <reticuli> :)
[10:42] <Angelic> iq tests are not exactly means to get definites, btw. te scores are always different
[10:42] <reticuli> yes I know
[10:43] <reticuli> Besides, intelligence is a value laden term that is poorly operationalized
[10:44] <Angelic> you said what I wanted, now whats the value of your curiosity concerning my iq again?
[10:45] <reticuli> I'll leave it up to you to determine the value of my curiosity
[10:46] <Angelic> no value from my side, your curiosity not mine
[10:46] <sapphire> Anyone seen sirgrim lately?
[10:46] <monk> iq test are dumb
[10:47] <Angelic> so they is
[10:47] <reticuli> hehe
[10:53] <Freax> mmm iq test is an ego statistical way of finding how many facts you know and rating on a scale of 50-200
[10:54] <Freax> iq tests also cover how much common sense your parents gave you
[10:54] <reticuli> Its actually not much of a fact driven test freax
[10:54] <Angelic> when different tests give scores between 145 and 170 , how ego statistical is that? quite unreliable
[10:54] <Freax> reticuli: you commented too fast =P
[10:54] <reticuli> well, its more reliable than say a range of 80-170
[10:54] <Freax> common sense is a word to describe how fast you are at figuring things out
[10:54] <Angelic> :)
[10:55] <Freax> im very fast, but im a bit bad at knowing facts
[10:55] <reticuli> I was commenting on your first statement about facts
[10:56] <Freax> i think the world is blindedd by the fact that humans simply cant absorb this much information, which is the problem with history if you keep information bottled up in librarys and try and shove it in a kids head he just really forgets what he done at the begening
[10:56] <Freax> by the fact = from the fact
[10:57] <Freax> i think that is what has happenend in the case of this generation
[10:57] <reticuli> well, actually with information technology we are free to be stupid
[10:57] <Angelic> intelligence and facts/knowledge do not go hand in hand.. and anyways, your knowledgebase can be huge and still you can be considered of average intelligence. And fast thinking, making the connections in a considerable small amount of time, do attest to a higher intelligence but I am sure there are a lot of gifted folk out there who are not fast thinkers, but quality thinkers
[10:58] <Freax> mmm, and all of these smarter people who are stupid to critisize and really define smartness in its factual base really are stupid
[10:59] <Freax> stupid is a word to describe people with disabilities not people with changable disabilities or disabilities in a small region
[10:59] <reticuli> The fact that we have so much of our egos bound up in how intelligent we see ourselves should tell you something about the concept of intelligience
[10:59] <Freax> of fact based knowledge
[10:59] <Freax> mmm we are all ants really, or to be more factually precise monkeys
[10:59] <Freax> or apes
[10:59] <reticuli> IQ does not measure fact based knowledge however
[10:59] <Freax> all people are machines
[11:00] <reticuli> angelic does not think we are apes ;)
[11:00] <reticuli> and she is technically correct
[11:00] <Freax> yet we are blindedd by the everlasting feeling of emotion
[11:00] <Freax> emotion isnt a thought process
[11:00] <Freax> it is an input
[11:00] <reticuli> an input frpm where?
[11:00] <reticuli> frpm=from
[11:01] <Freax> from a part of our brains that disguises it into taking an action
[11:01] <Freax> for example
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[11:17] <Freax> but just remember i take credit for the continuing dribble that caused you to bring that knowledge forth and share it with us, in a more informative way and more meaningful manner
[11:17] <reticuli> :)
[11:17] <Freax> you brang it forward in many nice words =D
[11:17] <Freax> wow, do i qualify as any good?
[11:17] <reticuli> yeah, if you need credit then I give it to you
[11:17] <Freax> im an 18 year old year 10 secondary school student
[11:18] <Freax> i came to these conclusions actually at the age of 16
[11:18] <reticuli> I strongly reccomend that you go to college
[11:18] <Freax> i knew and fully understood newtons/einsteins theorys
[11:18] <Freax> i understood the workings of a water h/o split machine at age 13
[11:19] <Freax> and produced useful hydrogen/oxygen at age 14
[11:19] <reticuli> yeah big deal, I brokered the camp david accord at age 8
[11:19] <reticuli> hehe
[11:19] <Freax> hehehe
[11:20] <reticuli> I am also the man who brought nixon down at age 2,  "deep throat"
[11:20] <Freax> nixon?
[11:20] <Freax> what influence did he have?
[11:20] <reticuli> President Nixon of the USA
[11:20] <Freax> im not transverse in american political history
[11:21] <Freax> seeing im australian based since my travel here at small age
[11:21] <reticuli> deep throat was the iunside source that was talkig to the press,, I was known as deep throat for my continuaqll crying
[11:21] <reticuli> ;)
[11:21] <Freax> what did you 'cry' about?
[11:22] <Freax> heh
[11:22] <reticuli> The white house was boring
[11:22] <Freax> i see
[11:22] <reticuli> so i decided that i would narc on Nixon
[11:23] <Freax> tell me, does the apple IIe have the abililty for networking via IP or TCP/IP preferrably or does it not have the processing power or memory to hold an ip stack and do irc?
[11:23] <Freax> has the old apples ever been networked?
[11:23] <Freax> ive heared of modems that you can plug in
[11:23] <Freax> 150/300 baud
[11:23] <Freax> hehe
[11:24] <[3j]> what the hell
[11:24] <[3j]> first squid get beached now whales
[11:24] <reticuli> wonder if there is some weird geomagnetic effects goin on
[11:24] <Freax> it would be incredibly trippy to be able to do even terminal serial/to/serial communications and chat via a network/router/serial port fashion
[11:24] <reticuli> where are the whales 3j?
[11:24] <Freax> yeah same here
[11:25] <Freax> planes are going weirder than usual too
[11:25] <[3j]> near cape cod
[11:25] <Freax> 2 plane crashes not a few thousand km's from each other?
[11:25] <[3j]> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020729/ap_on_re_us/stranded_whales_1
[11:25] <Freax> rising water tides in mines
[11:25] <[3j]> the squid was in cal
[11:26] <Freax> ifornia?
[11:26] <Freax> infornia rather
[11:26] <Freax> or whatever
[11:26] <Freax> ifornia
[11:26] <Freax> yeah got it right first time
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[11:28] <reticuli> Looks like sts entities are responsible for the waht beaching
[11:28] <reticuli> whale
[11:29] <reticuli> Scientists said those whales apparently were following krill
[11:29] <[3j]> hehe
[11:29] <reticuli> :)
[11:30] <Freax> ok people im off to bed, catch you on the flip side
[11:30] <Freax> same time same place
[11:31] <Freax> just 24 hours later...
[11:31] <Freax> well you know what i mean
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[11:31] <reticuli> Does Anyone here know much about the evolution of Cetaceans? Is there a lot of fossil evidence of their transition to a water borne creature
[11:31] <reticuli> I know that suppossedly they were mammals that returned to the ocean
[11:32] <[3j]> no
[11:32] <obaway> brb .... star trek :)
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[11:49] <reticuli> hello og
[11:55] <Ogmios> hi
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[12:07] <cmel> hi
[12:08] <monk> hi
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[12:09] <cmel> hi monk
[12:10] <cmel> anyone want to chat ? :)
[12:11] <monk> im reading stuff
[12:11] <monk> now
[12:11] <cmel> k monk :)
[12:11] <reticuli> im working right now, but I may drop the occasional enlightening or annoying coment
[12:12] <cmel> ok reticuli, thats just fine :)
[12:13] <reticuli> I'd like to hear from mystery-vez
[12:13] <cmel> it seems that mystery-vez is not here :)
[12:14] <reticuli> ah, as usual
[12:14] <cmel> hehe
[12:14] <reticuli> is he a px believer?
[12:14] <cmel> I dont believe I've ever seen him !!
[12:15] <cmel> in that is
[12:15] <cmel> in here
[12:16] <reticuli> I think I did once, but it was when I first started comming here... before i became intrigued by the mystery that is motivez
[12:16] <cmel> motivez = mystery-vez ????
[12:16] <reticuli> yes
[12:16] <Ogmios> seeing is believing..
[12:16] <reticuli> hehe
[12:17] <cmel> ok then I've seen him all the time
[12:17] <cmel> :)
[12:18] <monk> do you think planet x will be in mainstream news when it is visable this september
[12:18] <cmel> no ... not really :(
[12:18] <reticuli> if Richard hoagland jumps on the bandwagon it will be :)
[12:18] <cmel> hehe
[12:18] <Angelic> IF it is visible monk, not when
[12:19] <cmel> that means next march
[12:19] <monk> artbell and his 20 million listeners hehe
[12:19] <cmel> monk
[12:19] <monk> ?
[12:19] <reticuli> I wonder if Art will retire again
[12:19] <cmel> next march monk
[12:19] <cmel> I don't care
[12:20] <monk> next march what u mean
[12:20] <cmel> about artb ell
[12:20] <cmel> bell
[12:20] <monk> it wont be visable tell next march ?
[12:20] <cmel> you'r question
[12:20] <cmel> not with the naked eye
[12:21] <monk> we should have pictures next 2 months tho
[12:21] <cmel> yes I agree with that monk
[12:21] <monk> people wont believe it until they see it with their own eyes tho
[12:22] <cmel> yep
[12:22] <cmel> I'm one of them
[12:22] <cmel> :)
[12:22] <monk> :)
[12:22] <obaway> doubting thomas ... seeing is believing
[12:22] <monk> Im going into the forest this fall
[12:23] <monk> you wont see me
[12:23] <cmel> I'm not I'
[12:23] <monk> here again
[12:23] <monk> in a few months
[12:23] <cmel> I'm not I'm waiting still
[12:23] <reticuli> well, our senses can fail us. Even if we "see" it it could still be argued that it is not there... or that it is something else
[12:23] <cmel> k monk
[12:23] <reticuli> seeing it will settle nothing
[12:23] <monk> well i wanted to live in the forest before i even knew about planet x coming next year
[12:23] <cmel> but that would be hard
[12:23] <cmel> me too monk
[12:24] <cmel> but it's a big step
[12:24] <reticuli> and just because its spotted doesnt mean that its nibiru or that it will cause a pole shift
[12:24] <monk> pollution , crime , war , terrorist attacks stuff like this im getting away from
[12:24] <monk> not just planet x
[12:24] <reticuli> where r u now Monk?
[12:24] <monk> california
[12:24] <cmel> yep, I hear you monk, and I agree
[12:24] <monk> I just wanna be alone
[12:25] <monk> for awhile
[12:25] <reticuli> what part?
[12:25] <monk> southern
[12:25] <cmel> can I come with you .... hehe
[12:25] <cmel> :)
[12:25] <reticuli> hell-A?
[12:26] <reticuli> hell-A = LA monk
[12:26] <monk> east of la
[12:26] <monk> Im in riverside right now
[12:26] <reticuli> ah
[12:26] <reticuli> yes that does suck
[12:26] <reticuli> ;)
[12:26] <monk> I was born like few miles away from here
[12:26] <cmel> go east ... lalalala ... go east ...
[12:26] <cmel> hehe
[12:27] <reticuli> where will you go monk?
[12:27] <monk> I wanna go north
[12:27] <monk> Northern california
[12:27] <reticuli> according to zetatalk thats a bad move
[12:27] <cmel> but there is vulcanos there
[12:27] <reticuli> go east young man
[12:27] <monk> yes
[12:27] <monk> I dont care
[12:27] <monk> I just gonna take a chance
[12:28] <cmel> oregon
[12:28] <cmel> ?
[12:28] <reticuli> Oregon?
[12:28] <reticuli> your talking major volcanoes
[12:28] <monk> I wanna goto Mt. Shasta
[12:28] <cmel> is'nt that north of calif..
[12:28] <monk> Thats a volcano
[12:28] <reticuli> well, a trip to mt shasta has its advantages
[12:28] <monk> 60 miles south of oregon
[12:28] <cmel> Shasta is a vulcano
[12:29] <reticuli> its a plaeidian/nordiic base/portal
[12:29] <SnookPoon> Yeah monk, I hear that the new rage coming in California next spring is lava surfing
[12:29] <cmel> hehe reticuli
[12:29] <monk> haha
[12:29] <cmel> I've read that too
[12:29] <reticuli> they like mountains
[12:29] <cmel> haha
[12:30] <monk> I read about the city of telos under mt shasta
[12:30] <reticuli> tell us about it, I'd like to do
[12:30] <reticuli> do-go
[12:30] <cmel> is that why you move there ??
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[12:30] <cmel> hi merry
[12:30] <monk> yea kinda
[12:30] <merry> hi
[12:30] <monk> I been there 3 times
[12:30] <reticuli> merry christmas merry
[12:30] <monk> its beautiful
[12:30] <cmel> :)
[12:30] <cmel> yes it is
[12:30] <monk> good water
[12:30] <merry> :-)
[12:31] <monk> Mount shasta is called city of pure water
[12:31] <reticuli> beautiful women those nordics
[12:31] <cmel> and good skiing
[12:31] <monk> yea good skiing
[12:31] <reticuli> hot trandimensional babes
[12:31] <monk> Positive energy too
[12:31] <monk> :)
[12:31] <cmel> haha
[12:31] <cmel> I like you'r attitude all :)
[12:32] <merry> anyone have ideas on good places to relocate in the US
[12:32] <monk> I dont care if I die there its gonna be a good place to die
[12:32] <cmel> read safe locs. on zetatalk ...
[12:33] <merry> OK
[12:33] <cmel> :)
[12:33] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I was thinking of eastern Montana or maybe Kentucky
[12:33] <reticuli> Monk dies in the arms of a nordic babe doing the nasty in the astral plane
[12:33] <monk> I wish
[12:33] <cmel> haha
[12:33] <merry> northern Minnesota sound bad?
[12:33] <reticuli> his frozen body is recovered by climbers
[12:33] <cmel> maybe the best way to go ... hehe
[12:34] <reticuli> Heavens gate got it right ... barbituates and vodka, nice way to go
[12:34] <SnookPoon> I think Minnesota should be OK
[12:34] <monk> I got my below zero sleeping bag and a good tent all i need
[12:34] <monk> yea central usa
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[12:34] <merry> thats good news
[12:35] <reticuli> and since those nordics are trandimensional you should be able to have an orgy in that bag monk
[12:35] <cmel> in the plains .. should be good ... :)
[12:35] <monk> Alot of farm land too
[12:35] <merry> who wants to split a ton of black soybeans with me? :-)
[12:35] <reticuli> ?
[12:35] <reticuli> oh, hehe
[12:35] <cmel> why split ??
[12:35] <SnookPoon> black soybeans?
[12:35] <SnookPoon> never heard of that
[12:35] <merry> they're a lower carb v ersion
[12:35] <monk> Ill boil up some bark
[12:35] <SnookPoon> You mean black beans?
[12:35] <cmel> hehe
[12:36] <monk> and eat bugs if needed
[12:36] <merry> pine bark is good, inner bark tastes like chicken
[12:36] <cmel> no worms
[12:36] <merry> mealy bug flour is delics
[12:36] <monk> I heard ants have good protien
[12:36] <cmel> tastes like humm like worms
[12:37] <cmel> not good
[12:37] <reticuli> go to the canadian rockies merry
[12:37] <merry> I thought much of canada would be flooded?
[12:37] <monk> well you gotta do some things to surive
[12:37] <cmel> yes merry ... go there
[12:38] <cmel> I'm going to sweden, in the mountains
[12:38] <Angelic> how many fucking ants do you have to eat each day to get enough protein? I don't get it, why consider ants if you can keep chickens
[12:38] <Jurian> agreed :)
[12:38] <Jurian> chickens are much much better
[12:38] <reticuli> what will you feed teh chickens angelic
[12:38] <monk> Ill go hunt some deer
[12:38] <cmel> ants, very many vary very very very many
[12:38] <merry> where will get a chicken?
[12:39] <reticuli> chickens need food
[12:39] <cmel> ants
[12:39] <Jurian> yeah, chickens eat the ants
[12:39] <Jurian> you eat the eggs of the chickens
[12:39] <Jurian> and sometimes the chicken
[12:39] <reticuli> well, its more effceient to eat the ants cmel, its a game of diminishing returns
[12:39] <merry> mealy worm suprise and grub casserole..hmmm
[12:39] <Jurian> reticuli: actually, eating the chicken is more efficient
[12:39] <Angelic> chickens eat fucking anything they're just like goats
[12:40] <Jurian> takes a lot less work to prepare enough chicken to live on
[12:40] <Jurian> takes a LOT of work to get enough ants to live on
[12:40] <monk> yea im gonna take a hoard of chickens with me
[12:40] <monk> haha
[12:40] <cmel> yes , perhaps reticuli, but maybe it's worth the effort to get chicken sometimes
[12:40] <monk> they will just run away
[12:40] <merry> unless youre on the go OR there are no damn chickens to be had
[12:40] <reticuli> Becasue not 100% of the ant matter will go to growing the chicken, you are wasting your ants on the chickens running around and vocalizing
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[12:41] <cmel> in the begining there will be no chickens, I think
[12:41] <reticuli> lol
[12:41] <Jurian> yes, but chickens are easier to prepare, and multi-functional, as in, they give eggs, meat and feathers (pillows!)
[12:41] <Jurian> there will always be chickens
[12:42] <merry> ...wishful thinking
[12:42] <monk> feathers for arrows
[12:42] * merry loves chicken
[12:42] <monk> bow and arrow
[12:42] <reticuli> yes, probably better to kill other people, steal their chickens, feed their corpses to the chickens
[12:42] <cmel> yes but a guy from a city, where does he get chickens
[12:42] <monk> to hunt
[12:42] <Jurian> chickens eat everything, they'll pop up anywhere
[12:42] <reticuli> yeah, but no people, no chickens
[12:42] <reticuli> chickens are dumb and slow
[12:42] <merry> for a sec I thought you wrote 'poop anywhere'
[12:43] <Jurian> haha, that too :)
[12:43] <Angelic> with all the rain ants will not be available
[12:43] <cmel> haha
[12:43] <merry> I will share my catfish in a barrel
[12:43] <cmel> but insects will be
[12:43] <merry> y'all come over
[12:43] <reticuli> dogs are a good choice
[12:43] <Jurian> no fucking dogs near my site
[12:43] <merry> dogs...why didn't I think of that
[12:43] <Angelic> ants are insects
[12:43] <cmel> dogs are like leather
[12:43] <Jurian> dogs are nasty
[12:43] <Angelic> dogs suck ass
[12:43] <Angelic> fuck dogs
[12:44] <monk> hahaha
[12:44] <Angelic> they fucking shit everywhere
[12:44] <monk> They eat their own shit
[12:44] <Ogmios> http://home.earthlink.net/~garymartens/Finland/Landscape/
[12:44] <merry> good for the compost pile
[12:44] <cmel> but of course, I do that every day :)
[12:44] <Ogmios> pics from finland
[12:44] <reticuli> But dogs provide defense and food
[12:44] <Angelic> guine pigs are easy too, rabits, chickens... fuck worms too
[12:44] <sapphire> i have to agree, dogs are loud and messy
[12:44] <Angelic> dogs are idiots
[12:44] <sapphire> yes
[12:44] <cmel> dogs taste bad
[12:44] <merry> mmmmm dog stew
[12:44] <Angelic> I don't know
[12:45] <sapphire> rabbits can be bred
[12:45] <sapphire> but, they have to be fed
[12:45] <Jurian> dogs provide a lame defense
[12:45] <reticuli> I dont have dogs for all the reason you are all saying.. however I really dont think that you will care about that if you are hungry
[12:45] <Jurian> piss them off, and they'll bite you in the ass
[12:45] <cmel> if I were hungry, I'd eat a dog
[12:45] <monk> finland is beautiful
[12:45] <merry> I like mad max idea of stocking canned dogfood
[12:45] <reticuli> dogs are great for a frontline defense, they alert you and identify where the threat is and draw bullets
[12:45] <merry> endlessly versatile
[12:45] <reticuli> and you can eat em
[12:45] <cmel> country of a thousand islands
[12:46] <FunBot> Correct usage: .country <node>
[12:46] <FunBot>       Example: .country .DK
[12:46] <sapphire> cats make good "detectors", but someone has to keep an eye on them
[12:46] <Angelic> dog need flesh every day fuck them
[12:46] <Jurian> hehe
[12:46] <monk> dog food would be good it last for a long time
[12:46] <Jurian> dogs also make noise, leading people right to your site
[12:46] <reticuli> yeah, there should be plenty of people for them to eat angelic
[12:46] <monk> and its cheap
[12:46] <cmel> .country .dk
[12:46] <Angelic> dogs fart
[12:46] <merry> LOL
[12:46] <Jurian> cmel: without the .
[12:46] <cmel> hehe
[12:46] <reticuli> chickens shit everywhere
[12:47] <Jurian> country .dk
[12:47] <FunBot> Country name for .DK is DENMARK
[12:47] <Angelic> chickenshit is good fertilizer
[12:47] <reticuli> and you have to guard them
[12:47] <Jurian> like that :p
[12:47] <cmel> country denmark
[12:47] <FunBot> No country name found for .DENMARK
[12:47] <cmel> hehe
[12:47] <Jurian> :p
[12:47] <Angelic> U ASS A
[12:47] <Jurian> chickenshit is too strong to use directly!!
[12:47] <cmel> haha angelic
[12:47] <Angelic> sorry
[12:47] <Jurian> never dump it on your plants directly! :)
[12:48] <Angelic> chickenshit can be diluted
[12:48] <reticuli> has anyone here eaten dog?
[12:48] <Jurian> yeah
[12:48] <Angelic> :)
[12:48] <cmel> shit -------....
[12:48] <Angelic> chickenshit rules
[12:48] <cmel> :)
[12:48] <merry> all this talk about poop and bugs is making me hungry
[12:48] <Jurian> nasty
[12:48] <Jurian> I'd love some fries!
[12:48] <cmel> haha merry
[12:48] <Jurian> and a burger! :D
[12:49] <Angelic> Merry dirty
[12:49] <merry> make mine low fat
[12:49] <reticuli> i have to agree that chicken is much tastier than dog
[12:49] <cmel> well bugs are
[12:49] <monk> potatoes
[12:49] <merry> I don't want to survive the cataclysm and then have chest pain
[12:49] <reticuli> fortunately we can have both
[12:49] <Jurian> cookes potatoes are gross
[12:49] <Angelic> btw. all poisons, hormones and metals etc. go into fatty tissues, so fuck fat fatty tissues
[12:49] <Angelic> I don't have a point
[12:49] <cmel> chest pain and cataclysm
[12:49] <cmel> ??
[12:50] <merry> I asked for low fat
[12:50] <Angelic> low fat ?
[12:50] <reticuli> heart attack may be inconveninent
[12:50] <Jurian> slightly :p
[12:50] <Angelic> no fat
[12:50] <cmel> low fart
[12:50] <merry> low fat bugs and poop
[12:50] <Angelic> no fart
[12:50] <cmel> no pun intended
[12:50] <Jurian> loud fart :p
[12:50] <monk> Gotta have a good mind set before it happened
[12:50] <monk> happens
[12:50] <Angelic> didn't zt claim that contactees don't fart?
[12:50] <reticuli> lol
[12:50] <Jurian> wtf? :)
[12:50] <Angelic> seriously
[12:50] <merry> how can you fart if you dont eat?
[12:50] <reticuli> ?
[12:51] <cmel> LOL
[12:51] <Angelic> ?
[12:51] <Angelic> no seriously
[12:51] <Jurian> I'm supposedly a contactly, and I fart a lot :p
[12:51] <reticuli> supposedly?
[12:51] * merry fans the area violently.......pew
[12:51] <Angelic> some contactees are prepared and one consequence is they don't fart due to more efficient digestive system or something weird like that
[12:51] <Jurian> nancy said so :p
[12:51] <Jurian> I am not sure what to think of it
[12:51] <reticuli> lol
[12:52] <Jurian> I suppose I could be, dunno :)
[12:52] <cmel> as I remember they've engineered the clones so that they dont
[12:52] <reticuli> why do you suppose, any reasons?
[12:52] <merry> LOL
[12:52] <Angelic> YO YOU FARTED! YER NO CONTACTEE!!!!
[12:52] <merry> just the obvious
[12:52] <reticuli> those zetas sure are smart
[12:52] <Angelic> next saturday ask nancy if she has farted lately
[12:52] <Angelic> if so she isn't a contactee
[12:52] <merry> maybe zetas live in very SMALL houses and they cant fart
[12:52] <Angelic> then zetas do not exist
[12:53] <Angelic> end irrational proposal
[12:53] <merry> angelic..that was kinda deep
[12:53] <sapphire> all cults have irrational statements
[12:53] <cmel> any of you seen MIIB
[12:53] <merry> no tell us
[12:54] <cmel> the Men In Black II movie
[12:54] <Angelic> did you just call me a dick sapphire?
[12:54] <monk> I seen it cmel
[12:54] <sapphire> angelic: no.  Nancy makes normal irrational cult statements.
[12:54] <cmel> I laughed all the time
[12:54] <monk> I like the part where the dog was barking with that song
[12:54] <Angelic> normal irrational?
[12:54] <monk> who let the dogs out or something like that
[12:55] <sapphire> who let the dogs out?
[12:55] <cmel> yes, thats my favorite too
[12:55] <Angelic> dogs suck
[12:55] <cmel> haha
[12:55] <reticuli> dogs are only good for work
[12:55] <sapphire> the dog was hilarious, best thing in the movie
[12:55] <cmel> yes I agree sapp.
[12:55] <cmel> hehe
[12:55] <sapphire> angelic: it is normal for cult leaders to make irrational statements
[12:56] <merry> nancy lieder in planet x video seems a bit controled herself
[12:56] <Angelic> well, sapphire, nothin more irrational than this world
[12:57] <cmel> what do you think about George Michaels video ??
[12:57] <monk> sapphire what do you believe in
[12:57] <sapphire> in planet x video, nancy has the cult leader vibe going big time
[12:57] <sapphire> i can't wait to see the new interview coming on thursday
[12:57] <merry> yes
[12:57] <monk> sapphire : whats your life view
[12:57] <merry> where sapphire?
[12:57] <cmel> see ??
[12:58] <sapphire> here in Las Vegas, she'll be on Ch. 35
[12:58] <monk> what station is that
[12:58] <sapphire> local UHF station
[12:58] <Angelic> my condoleances sapph
[12:58] <merry> well dog poop....I can't see that
[12:59] <sapphire> i'll be making it available
[12:59] * Jeremy has joined #Troubled_Times
[12:59] <monk> to bad i dont get it
[12:59] <monk> you gonna put it on your page sapphire?
[12:59] <merry> great
[12:59] <cmel> hi jeremy
[13:00] <Jeremy> hi cmel
[13:00] <merry> what the url sapphire?
[13:00] <Jeremy> hi everyone else
[13:00] <reticuli> hi jeremy
[13:00] <sapphire> i haven't decided how i will put it out, yet
[13:00] <Angelic> jurian?
[13:00] <Jeremy> hello reticuli
[13:00] <Jurian> ?
[13:00] <Angelic> where is sirgimp?
[13:00] <monk> sapphire whats your url again
[13:00] <Jurian> seen sirgrim
[13:00] <FunBot> sirgrim was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 85 days, 16 hours, 11 minutes ago.
[13:01] <Jurian> wuh
[13:01] <Angelic> 85 days?
[13:01] <monk> skepitcalmind.com
[13:01] <monk> ?
[13:01] <Angelic> fuck that
[13:01] <sapphire> www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html
[13:01] <Jurian> that can't be right
[13:01] <Jurian> dunno where he is :)
[13:01] <Jurian> brb
[13:01] * Jurian is now known as JurAFK
[13:02] <Angelic> ¿kutjebef?
[13:03] <merry> thanks for the link
[13:04] <Jeremy> Did anyone notice that story about jets chasing a UFO over Washington DC recently?
[13:04] * sleep-freax has quit IRC (Ping timeout for sleep-freax[lak1-56k-045.tpgi.com.au])
[13:04] <monk> jeremy: yea
[13:05] <monk> I dont know why they had jets after some ufo not tho jets crashing into the wtc
[13:06] <Jeremy> here's a link..
[13:06] <Jeremy> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8131-2002Jul26.html
[13:06] <monk> they shoot at it but didn't even do damage
[13:07] <merry> anyone here have a telescope?
[13:07] <monk> not me
[13:07] <Jeremy> yeah, I have a 4.5 inch Tasco
[13:08] <reticuli> yes, 5.5" celestron
[13:08] <merry> jeremy when do you plan to look for planet x?
[13:08] <cmel> what now you're talking about inches ???? hahahha
[13:08] <reticuli> its american made cmel
[13:08] <cmel> haha
[13:08] <Jeremy> merry: Next year, my scope is not adequate enough to attempt to sight it in the autumn
[13:08] <reticuli> ditto
[13:09] <cmel> I'm dirty reticuli :)
[13:09] <reticuli> my scope is not adequate
[13:09] <reticuli> that ones for you cmel
[13:09] <cmel> mine neither
[13:09] <merry> you guys slay me
[13:09] <Jeremy> Anyone know someone with a 16" telescope?
[13:09] * JurAFK is now known as Jurian
[13:10] <reticuli> nope
[13:10] <cmel> haha
[13:10] <Jeremy> They don't come cheap..
[13:10] <merry> so if a person is going to buy a telescope, what kind and size do you recommend?
[13:10] <cmel> perhaps what's you'r packing
[13:10] <cmel> ?
[13:10] <monk> can you see it in sky view?
[13:11] <reticuli> I still want to try and get time on a local observatory... havent really "looked" into it yet
[13:11] <Jeremy> merry: A 10" LX200 is a good buy for a serious amateur. Manufactured by Meade
[13:11] <reticuli> A lot of this depends on where you are, city light will really interfere with any attempt to locate px
[13:11] <cmel> well I'll never buy a telescope, because I dont know how to use it
[13:12] <Jeremy> merry: However, its best to start off with binoculars before you rush out and spend a few grand on a scope. Otherwise you may find astronomy is not for you, or you are not sited in an ideal location for it
[13:12] <merry> I live way out in the sticks
[13:12] <Jeremy> merry: In the USA?
[13:13] <cmel> yep
[13:13] <cmel> she does
[13:13] <monk> merry : what part
[13:13] <merry> yes, northern Minnesota
[13:13] <Jeremy> oh
[13:14] <monk> thats spose to be a good spot during the shift right
[13:14] * merry sure hopes so
[13:14] * cmel hopes so
[13:15] <merry> how much is a 10" LX200 telescope?
[13:15] * cmel is now known as cristmas
[13:15] <Jeremy> I think maybe around $2500
[13:16] <cristmas> thats around 25000 kr.
[13:16] <Jeremy> There's quite a few websites advertising them
[13:16] * cristmas is now known as cmel
[13:16] <merry> maybe ebay has a good deal?
[13:16] * Looking up merry user info...
[13:16] <cmel> perhaps
[13:17] <Jeremy> I quoted the Lx200, becuase I believe in quality
[13:17] <cmel> and that is ???
[13:18] <Jeremy> There are too many cheap scopes on the market that are virtually useless i.e. flimsy mounts, cheap eyepieces, etc
[13:18] <merry> will the stars be different after the pole shift?
[13:18] <Jeremy> indeed
[13:18] <reticuli> most scopes on the market are useless toys
[13:18] <Jeremy> merry: But low lying cloud cover will make astronomy difficult for many years afters
[13:18] <cmel> they will be in different place, but other than that no
[13:18] <cmel> places
[13:19] <reticuli> how long wil it rain after the shift?
[13:19] <cmel> well for years
[13:20] <Jeremy> reticuli: good point, a long time, but I am not entirely certain
[13:20] <merry> cant use after the pole shift? I'll be smoking dog turds and swilling fermented mealy meade
[13:20] <Jeremy> lol
[13:20] <reticuli> :)
[13:20] <cmel> hehehe
[13:20] <reticuli> well, I should be fine with the rainy weather living in seattle and all
[13:20] <Jeremy> merry: that's a good reason not to buy a telescope, assuming you seriously accept the pole shift will occur
[13:21] <cmel> you'r used to it :)
[13:21] <Jeremy> i'm used to rain
[13:21] <cmel> reticuli
[13:21] <merry> do any of you think people will be killed to keep this quiet until it happens?
[13:21] <reticuli> if true, then yes
[13:22] <cmel> but of course ... if it's true
[13:22] <Jeremy> some possibly have far in the past i.e. suspcious deaths
[13:22] <reticuli> when was sitchin video made and when did harrington die?
[13:22] <monk> I believe people will be killed to keep it quiet
[13:22] <Jeremy> reticuli: I think Robert Harrington died in 1994..
[13:23] <merry> are any of you preparing a survival camp or stash?
[13:23] <cmel> what about the strange deaths of microbiologists recently
[13:23] <reticuli> what about it?
[13:23] <Jeremy> merry: Yes, in the future. At the moment I am concentrating on acquiring supplies, and devising strategies
[13:24] <monk> I already Have my hiking bag packed
[13:24] <cmel> they have been dying like flies
[13:24] <reticuli> I dont even have enough $$$ to buy lunch today , much less start hoarding
[13:25] <Jeremy> retiucli: guess you'll have to settle for earthworms :/
[13:25] <cmel> I haven't started stocking up yet
[13:25] <reticuli> lol, and slugs
[13:25] <Jeremy> urrr
[13:25] <reticuli> there is always people and dogs
[13:25] <sapphire> there's lots of slugs around seattle
[13:25] <merry> cmel: I think the recent spate of biologic diseases is a deception/deversion from planet x. I think the biologists know that and who ultimately made and spread the germs and rumors....they had to go
[13:25] <reticuli> pleanty of useless people and dogs around
[13:26] <sapphire> you can just sprinkle salt on the slugs
[13:26] <reticuli> lol
[13:26] <reticuli> they cook themselves
[13:26] <cmel> k merry
[13:26] <merry> slugs would be ok except I hate the ones so big you slip and fall on them
[13:26] <sapphire> yes, they are disgusting
[13:26] <sapphire> used to slip on them on the way to school when i was growing up
[13:26] <cmel> but you shop them up, and make stew
[13:26] <monk> You should probaly cook insects before eating them
[13:27] <merry> dehydrate slugs and grind for flour
[13:27] <cmel> :)
[13:27] <merry> mmmmmmm slug bagels
[13:27] <cmel> I like I like
[13:27] <reticuli> a lot of the ground cover in the NW USA is edible and are already low light/ shade plants
[13:28] <merry> I wish I knew which wild plants were edible
[13:28] <Jeremy> There's always escargot too ..wonder if they will prevail
[13:28] <reticuli> and the plants here love the rain
[13:28] <cmel> then eat it reticuli
[13:28] <reticuli> i'll get right on it cmel
[13:28] * obaway is now known as obany
[13:28] <obany> :)
[13:28] <cmel> hehe jer.
[13:28] <monk> Merry: maybe you should look into it
[13:28] <cmel> hehe reticuli
[13:28] * cmel smiles
[13:29] * merry wrestles slugs to hold still while they dehydrate
[13:29] <cmel> haha
[13:29] <Jeremy> slugfest
[13:29] <reticuli> tonight, instead of humaely removing slugs from my garden like the sto that I am , I will gobble them up instead
[13:29] <cmel> hihi
[13:29] <merry> I should think some grey poupon would help
[13:30] <reticuli> maybe , I will just let them slide down at first... till I get used to them
[13:30] <obany> anything to talk about discuss
[13:30] <merry> couldnt be any more vulgar than the dead glue of pasta
[13:30] <obany> merry you new here ?
[13:30] * cmel travels over the big water to help
[13:30] <merry> hi obany
[13:30] <merry> I found this link on zeta talk
[13:30] <Jeremy> I'm going to get pasta too soon; it keeps for years and will be a good variation on rice
[13:31] <merry> make your own jeremy so it has at least some nutrition
[13:31] <Jeremy> merry: I'll have to learn how to do that
[13:31] <reticuli> well, I'm gonna go rustle up some slugs for lunch, bbl
[13:32] <Jeremy> later reticuli
[13:32] <merry> pasta machine and dehydrator or for us cheapies: an old screen door and our kids playdoe factory
[13:32] <merry> bye retic
[13:32] <monk> jeremy: good idea I gotta stock up on some of that
[13:32] * cmel finds noone there and decides to go back
[13:32] <Jeremy> monk: its cheap enough too
[13:33] <obany> merry: aha ... ok
[13:33] <cmel> how about talking serious ??????
[13:33] <merry> cmel: in terms of what?
[13:33] <Jeremy> food is a serious subject
[13:34] <monk> eating is a must
[13:34] <cmel> serious about is she right for example
[13:34] <merry> indeed it is. I plan to stow many types of dried beans and legumes first. they keep indefinitely and can be sprouted for essettail nutrients missing in cooked beans
[13:34] <monk> thats the most important thing u need
[13:34] <cmel> I agree merry
[13:35] * merry tragically realizes she cannot spell
[13:35] <cmel> but does she talk truth
[13:35] <obany> anyway ... to say something about a earlier comment about contactees and farting... there is NO mention of that in zetatalk    ...this is for Angelic and Jurian ... anyway back to the discussion
[13:35] <cmel> she = Nancy Lieder
[13:36] <merry> I suppose my ability to fart the star spangled banner will be useless after the poleshift
[13:36] <obany> cmel: i think so yes, i think that zetatalk is right
[13:36] <cmel> yes obany, but there is talk about our species being bad in that respect
[13:37] <Jeremy> merry: well ZT says that many survivors will be constantly pooping after the pole shift, as their diet suddenly alters
[13:37] <cmel> :)
[13:37] <merry> if it's mainly weeds, I'm sure thats true
[13:38] <Jeremy> yeah
[13:38] <Jeremy> or slugs?
[13:38] * merry is an RN, not that it helps me
[13:38] <cmel> yep
[13:38] <obany> cmel: yes i know, but it doesn't say that contactees don't fart ... anway let's get serious now ... as this is not serious
[13:38] <merry> protein has little ash and greatly reduces BM's
[13:38] <Jeremy> merry: how long have you known about ZT?
[13:39] <merry> planet x for a year, zeta talk for about 4 months
[13:39] <Jeremy> i see
[13:39] <cmel> but I myself started this discussion :( obany
[13:40] <Jeremy> merry: Did you discover Mark Hazlewoods site before ZetaTalk?
[13:40] <merry> planet x links were from an email survival group
[13:40] <merry> his name was mentioned
[13:40] <Jeremy> merry: oh really
[13:41] <Jeremy> I suppose survivalist groups are aware of PX too
[13:41] * Looking up merry user info...
[13:41] <cmel> sure they are
[13:41] <cmel> why wouldn't they be
[13:41] <obany> more and more people who know about it, i am sure about that
[13:41] <merry> they count it as a complicating factor to the inevitable sociatal breadown they see coming, if I am reading their sentiments correctly
[13:41] <Jeremy> yeah
[13:42] <cmel> obany whats you'r answer to my q ?
[13:43] <sapphire> uh, sorry to catch up late, but it was Nancy who stated that HYBRIDS do not fart.  Just to set the record strait
[13:43] <cmel> yep sapph.
[13:44] <obany> Yes, sapph...
[13:44] <Jeremy> I posted an article on tt-watch about 55 stranded pilot wales at Chapin Beach in
[13:44] <Jeremy> Dennis, on Cape Cod Bay
[13:45] <cmel> and ??
[13:45] <Jeremy> just though it was interesting
[13:45] <cmel> :)
[13:45] <cmel> it is it is
[13:45] <cmel> sorry
[13:46] <obany> cmel: about the hybrids http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h29.htm
[13:47] <obany> Jeremy: you posted it also because of the squids right who washed ashore
[13:47] <obany> the relationship between that and the wales
[13:47] <Jeremy> yes, it sort of followed on in the same theme
[13:48] <Jeremy> Kind of sad too, for the animals sake
[13:49] <obany> indeed Jeremy
[13:49] <merry> see ya later kids, gotta run
[13:50] <Jeremy> bye merry
[13:50] * merry waves
[13:50] * merry has left #Troubled_Times
[13:50] <sapphire> It is sad that in most cases the whales cannot be saved.
[13:50] <cmel> I love whales:)
[13:51] <Jeremy> especially when you have a whole group of them to save
[13:51] <sapphire> I suppose their weight precludes easilly moving them back out to sea
[13:51] <cmel> no don't move them at all
[13:51] <Jeremy> no?
[13:52] <cmel> they move, and if they move onto a beach then thats bad, sorry
[13:52] <sapphire> perhaps if there was a "rapid response" team organized for such efforts
[13:52] <cmel> not worth the effort
[13:53] <Jeremy> cmel: do you mean don't intervene with calamities in the natural world?
[13:53] <cmel> yes thats precisely it
[13:53] <sapphire> if humans have the power to intervene, but don't.  Then humans are in for some bad karma.
[13:54] <cmel> let nature do what nature wants
[13:54] <Jeremy> Whales are endangered however, so rescuing them is worth it
[13:54] <cmel> sapph. we have a lot of responsibility but
[13:54] <sapphire> cmel: you assume nature has a mind
[13:54] <cmel> yes I do
[13:54] <sapphire> nature is more like controlled chaos
[13:55] <sapphire> and we certainly intervene when the matter directly concerns us humans
[13:55] <cmel> I am against hunting whales ... for sure ... anytime
[13:56] <sapphire> how do we know that these whales don't someday possess something which can cure cancer, etc...
[13:56] <monk> I believe nature has a mind of its own
[13:56] <cmel> yes I agree
[13:56] <cmel> sapph.
[13:56] <sapphire> it's in our interest to keep them from becoming extinct
[13:57] <Jeremy> hmmm . the stock market appears to have rebounded strongly
[13:57] <cmel> appears
[13:57] <cmel> I have no confidence
[13:58] <Jeremy> no, I don't either
[13:58] <cmel> :(
[13:58] <Jeremy> It will proabably be a short term recovery
[13:58] <monk> bye yall
[13:58] <cmel> I hope not, I want it to be long term
[13:58] <monk> talk to all of ya later
[13:58] <cmel> later monk
[13:59] <monk> jeremy: The stock market is on a false value
[13:59] <Jeremy> see ya monk
[13:59] <monk> buying stock doesn't mean its good
[13:59] <monk> its on profits
[13:59] <monk> of the company
[14:00] <cmel> monk thats ok
[14:00] <Jeremy> I'm also thinking how intensifying earth changes will affect the stock market
[14:00] <cmel> yep me too
[14:01] <cmel> If I won 16million £ if would hesitate investing
[14:02] <Jeremy> yeah, imagine winning the lottery a week before the pole shift
[14:04] <onlainari> what's the planet x video merry was talking
[14:04] <monk> haha
[14:04] <obany> www.planetxvideo.com
[14:04] <onlainari> ok,ty
[14:04] <Jeremy> I thought you were leaving monk?
[14:05] <cmel> I thought so to
[14:05] <cmel> too
[14:07] <Angelic> we need to grow hemp man, definitely hemp
[14:07] <monk> i am leaving bye
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[14:09] <cmel> yes angelic, it can be used for food, and rope .......
[14:10] <cmel> amd a smoke hehe
[14:10] <obany> and for clothes also for what i read
[14:10] <Angelic> smoke?
[14:10] <Jeremy> obany, what was the weather like in the Netherlands today?
[14:10] <obany> warm and humid ..
[14:10] <Angelic> jeremy the weather was way too hot and humid
[14:10] <Jeremy> same here
[14:10] <reticuli> you can smoke hemp
[14:10] <Angelic> it was like being inside a cunt
[14:10] <cmel> yes a smoke angelic
[14:10] <Angelic> that's the dutch weather, thank you
[14:10] <Jeremy> I sweated profusely on the train back to London today
[14:10] <cmel> I like cunts
[14:11] <obany> was around 30 or so over here ... then of course that's the temperature measured in the shadow
[14:12] <Jeremy> The record temperature in the UK was 37C, at Cheltenham in 1990
[14:13] <Jeremy> It has never risen above 100F here though
[14:15] <Jeremy> Goonight then. Hope I can get to sleep in this heat :)
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[14:17] <cmel> night all
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[14:19] <obany> nite chem .. anyway brb
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[14:23] <Angelic> it's dead here
[14:24] <Jurian> yep :)
[14:28] <Angelic> sick puppy
[14:28] <Angelic> :)
[14:37] <Angelic> lalalalala
[14:37] <Angelic> geesh boring as hell
[14:51] <obany> nah ... it ain't borring :P
[14:51] <obany> i am here :P
[14:51] <obany> am i borring :P
[14:52] <Angelic> is dat zo?
[14:52] <Angelic> hehe
[14:52] <obany> nee :P
[14:52] <Angelic> :)
[14:52] <Angelic> kutweer vandaag
[14:53] <Angelic> warm en vochtig dus
[14:54] <obany> ehhehe ja inderdaad, was niet lekker ..
[14:54] <Angelic> nee ben lekker binnengebleven
[14:55] <Ogmios> some landscapes..few from my hometown too http://home.earthlink.net/~garymartens/Finland/Landscape/
[14:56] <obany> op strand was het nog wel lekker, stond een eitsje wind..
[14:57] <obany> ietsje
[14:57] <Angelic> is finland a nice country?
[14:57] <reticuli> very beautiful ogmios
[14:57] <Ogmios> lots of water
[14:59] <reticuli> does finland utilize hydroelectric power?
[15:00] <Ogmios> yes
[15:00] <Ogmios> but not enough
[15:01] <reticuli> Hydroelectric is the major source of energy in this region of the USA
[15:01] <Angelic> they also have nuclear power?
[15:01] <Angelic> sweden has
[15:01] <Angelic> a lot actually
[15:01] <Angelic> not very safe
[15:02] <Ogmios> reposaari is an island near Pori. and few hundred years ago it was close to become finnish capital, very busy port
[15:03] <Ogmios> visited there today
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[15:05] <brent> Hi
[15:05] <reticuli> greetings brent
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[15:05] <brent> how are you
[15:06] <sapphire> brent is monk
[15:06] <brent> no
[15:06] <cmelaway> halleluya reticuli
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[15:06] <reticuli> vaya con dios amigo
[15:06] <cmel> hehe
[15:06] <brent> what the hell
[15:07] <cmel> vaya con carne friend
[15:07] <cmel> :)
[15:07] <brent> I'm monks cousin
[15:07] <cmel> you are ??
[15:07] <reticuli> hehe
[15:07] <cmel> really ??
[15:08] <brent> yes
[15:08] <brent> no shit
[15:08] <cmel> vaya con brent
[15:08] <cmel> :)
[15:08] <brent> what is your name
[15:08] <reticuli> lucifer
[15:09] <brent> ok
[15:09] <reticuli> just call me luke for short
[15:09] <cmel> my name is Claus, ..... yuors ???
[15:09] <brent> ok
[15:09] <cmel> hehe leticuli
[15:09] <brent> my is chris
[15:09] <cmel> ok chris
[15:09] <cmel> hi crhis
[15:09] <brent> whats up
[15:10] <cmel> well nothing much, actually
[15:10] <reticuli> its dead here
[15:10] <brent> were do you live
[15:10] <cmel> whats happening where you are Chris ??
[15:10] <reticuli> seattle
[15:10] <cmel> Copenhagen
[15:11] <cmel> denmarsk
[15:11] <cmel> denmark
[15:11] <reticuli> danska
[15:11] <cmel> danska vodka
[15:11] <cmel> hehe
[15:12] <reticuli> tell me a good a good joke about swedes
[15:12] <brent> i dont have one
[15:12] <reticuli> not you!
[15:12] <brent> no
[15:12] <cmel> well I'm not a good joke teller, sorry
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[15:12] <cmel> hi ang
[15:12] <Angelic> hi cmel
[15:13] <reticuli> no dane would hbe caught dead withot a swede joke
[15:13] <brent> ok
[15:13] <cmel> ok , I'll trr
[15:13] <cmel> try
[15:13] <reticuli> thats the spirit
[15:13] <brent> why
[15:14] <reticuli> r u asking me a question monk cousin?
[15:14] <brent> do you like talking to monk
[15:14] <cmel> whats a swede whithout SYSTEM-BOLAGET
[15:14] <cmel> ?
[15:15] <reticuli> whats system-bolaget?
[15:15] <reticuli> :)
[15:15] <cmel> thats where a swede gets alcohol
[15:15] <reticuli> ok
[15:15] <reticuli> uhm, sober?
[15:16] <Jurian> rich :p
[15:16] <Angelic> this channel is depressing
[15:16] <reticuli> lol
[15:16] <reticuli> ok, tell us cmel
[15:16] <Jurian> cmel: well ? :)
[15:16] <cmel> hel'l have to revert to his own bruwin
[15:17] <reticuli> :|
[15:17] <Jurian> heh
[15:17] <reticuli> ok, give it another try cmel
[15:18] <cmel> nd it's hard stof i know
[15:18] <brent> do you
[15:18] <brent> tell me something about planet x
[15:18] <cmel> ok, what do you do when swedes cant deliver  ?
[15:18] <reticuli> its big, mean, and full of machines
[15:19] <reticuli> what....?
[15:19] <brent> i dont believe it
[15:19] <reticuli> thats healthy
[15:19] <cmel> swedes deiver all ways, no matter whats
[15:20] <brent> ok what ever
[15:20] <reticuli> have you read www.zetatalk.com? brent
[15:20] <cmel> that make it home
[15:20] <brent> ok
[15:20] <reticuli> ahhh, alas, jokes never translate
[15:21] <Angelic> brent = monk
[15:21] <reticuli> yes, I think so too, that question about monk was too obvious bronk
[15:22] <reticuli> monk+brent=bronk
[15:22] <Angelic> what question?
[15:23] <Angelic> he forgot to change his details, do a whois on him or check the userlist :)
[15:23] <sapphire> yes, i spotted that while ago
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[15:24] <reticuli> angelic : <brent> do you like talking to monk
[15:24] <reticuli> that question
[15:24] <Angelic> ah missed that, am talking to 2 smart ladies
[15:25] <reticuli> are you female angelic?
[15:26] <Angelic> yes I am a sesbian
[15:27] <reticuli> sesbian?
[15:27] <Angelic> what?
[15:27] <Angelic> you ape!
[15:27] <reticuli> what is a sesbian?
[15:27] <reticuli> hey, were all apes here
[15:27] <Angelic> no tme
[15:27] <Angelic> I am a sesbian
[15:27] <Angelic> Homo sesbianis
[15:28] <reticuli> ok, well I hope it fufilling to you
[15:28] <reticuli> lol
[15:28] <reticuli> homo sesbianis , hehe
[15:28] <Angelic> do apes latin names begin with homo too?
[15:28] <reticuli> I dont believe so
[15:29] <reticuli> ask linnaues
[15:29] <Angelic> end of discussion
[15:29] <reticuli> he would know
[15:30] <Angelic> ah and you don't then?
[15:30] <reticuli> refernce previous comment
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[15:30] <reticuli> but you know, the internet is a wonderful thing, you could find out
[15:31] <Angelic> yes you do that
[15:31] <Angelic> 12:22 pm:   reticuli: what is a sesbian?
[15:31] <reticuli> thats allright, your a big sesbian, you can answer your own question
[15:31] * obany goes
[15:32] <obany> nite
[15:32] <obany> teruste
[15:32] <reticuli> later
[15:32] <reticuli> Are you an antipenetration sesbian angelic?
[15:33] <Angelic> terusten :)
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[15:37] <reticuli> I looked sesbian on the internet and just got a lot of euro porn sites, not enough info to figure it out
[15:38] <Angelic> use a dictionary
[15:39] <reticuli> its slang
[15:39] <reticuli> no entries
[15:40] <reticuli> pott, you must know what a sesbian is
[15:40] <reticuli> a serbian lesbian?
[15:43] <reticuli> you still here cmel?
[15:45] <Angelic> hehe
[15:45] <Angelic> so what is your highest ever score on an iq test?
[15:46] <reticuli> somewhere between 32 and 5000
[15:46] <reticuli> hehe
[15:46] <reticuli> you know how those things are
[15:47] <Angelic> no I don't
[15:47] <reticuli> oh, well since you made that commment about how much they vary I thought you did
[15:49] <Angelic> i was channeling back then
[15:50] <reticuli> I'll keep that in mind
[15:51] <Angelic> which one?
[15:51] <reticuli> oh, it doesnt really matter
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[15:57] <reticuli> well im outta here
[15:57] <reticuli> ciao all
[15:57] <Angelic> ciao
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[15:57] <Angelic> lol
[15:59] <Angelic> ufo sightings are going to increase rapidly, trend has begun in that direction
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[16:47] <STO_WARRIOR> greetings from Washington state
[16:49] <sapphire> greetings
[16:57] <STO_WARRIOR> i thought you were asleep
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[16:59] <sapphire> not today, i have 2 days off
[16:59] <STO_WARRIOR> vegas ....right?
[17:01] <sapphire> yes
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[17:01] <STO_WARRIOR> cool
[17:02] <sapphire> grew up in Seattle
[17:02] <STO_WARRIOR> would have liked to have lived on the coast in washington
[17:02] <STO_WARRIOR> im in spokane now
[17:02] <sapphire> ahh, must be nice and hot now days
[17:03] <STO_WARRIOR> i hate the heat...but you're in vegas
[17:03] <STO_WARRIOR> so i shouldnt complain
[17:03] <STO_WARRIOR> brb
[17:04] <sapphire> but when it gets hot here, there is virtually no humidity.  So, I actually sweat less here
[17:09] <STO_WARRIOR> true
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[19:13] <Jenkins3d> ...
[19:16] <Jenkins3d> anyone here?
[19:27] <sapphire> i'm here
[19:27] <sapphire> most of the time
[19:29] <Jenkins3d> ok
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[20:04] <Jenkins3d> Very interesthing.... did anyone read 1984 by George Orwell ?
[20:15] <sapphire> no, saw a movie version
[20:18] <Jenkins3d> humm...it looks like george bush is using it as a play book
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[20:18] <LE_RENARD__> greetings zetafucks
[20:18] <sapphire> uhhh, you mean Zeta Drones
[20:18] <LE_RENARD__> uuh yeah right :)
[20:19] <sapphire> we aren't "zetafucks" until after May 2003
[20:19] <LE_RENARD__> sup sapphire
[20:19] <LE_RENARD__> lol, ur a believer then?
[20:19] <LE_RENARD__> haha
[20:19] <ukuz_zzz> i thought it was Zetadroids yesterdy?
[20:20] <LE_RENARD__> http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
[20:20] <LE_RENARD__> lol
[20:20] <sapphire> believer in exposing Zetas
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[20:22] <ukuz_zzz> Le_Re, what is this?
[20:23] <LE_RENARD__> its a supposed planet x picture taken by a russian probe
[20:23] <ukuz_zzz> how did you get it>
[20:23] <ukuz_zzz> ?
[20:23] <LE_RENARD__> my 4 year old sister can fake much better an image
[20:23] <LE_RENARD__> it was posted in sci.astro
[20:23] <LE_RENARD__> but is scam
[20:24] <ukuz_zzz> a dawm convincing one, i might add
[20:24] <LE_RENARD__> convincing, are you nuts?
[20:25] <sapphire> i have to check sci.astro today...that is funny
[20:25] <sapphire> lol
[20:25] <ukuz_zzz> well to the untrained mind
[20:25] <LE_RENARD__> use photoshop or something
[20:25] <LE_RENARD__> an increase the contrast
[20:25] <ancalag0n> hmm
[20:25] <ancalag0n> i
[20:25] <LE_RENARD__> youll see the square were the image was cutted and pasted
[20:25] <ancalag0n> have no experience at all with astrology
[20:25] <ancalag0n> or looking at stars etc
[20:25] <ancalag0n> but that looks like the fakest thing ever =/
[20:26] <ukuz_zzz> hehe
[20:26] <LE_RENARD__> yep
[20:26] <LE_RENARD__> stupid nancy leider
[20:26] <ancalag0n> like
[20:26] <ancalag0n> they took a picture of the stars
[20:26] <ancalag0n> cut out an oval on construction paper
[20:26] <ancalag0n> and scanned it
[20:26] <ancalag0n> =/
[20:26] <ukuz_zzz> I wonder if she still eats those Starburst candies for Zeta signs?
[20:27] <ukuz_zzz> =)
[20:27] <LE_RENARD__> starbust rule
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[20:35] <Jenkins3d> Le renard....you cant tell where it's been cut out ans stuff
[20:36] <Jenkins3d> it would be so much eayser to just photoshop that thing in there
[20:36] <LE_RENARD__> add contrast
[20:37] <LE_RENARD__> and invert it
[20:37] <LE_RENARD__> youll notice it
[20:37] <Jenkins3d> which is why any pic can not be trusted becasue forgery is sooo dam easy
[20:37] <Jenkins3d> damn
[20:37] <Jenkins3d> ok..let me get my laptop
[20:44] <Jenkins3d> did you use photoshop to do the contrast stuff?
[20:44] <LE_RENARD__> yup
[20:44] <Jenkins3d> did you use auto contrast?
[20:45] <LE_RENARD__> nop
[20:45] <LE_RENARD__> manual
[20:45] <LE_RENARD__> set it to the highest
[20:45] <Jenkins3d> where is that
[20:45] <Jenkins3d> nevermind
[20:45] <LE_RENARD__> image
[20:45] <ukuz_zzz> i see the squares around it now
[20:45] <ukuz_zzz> heh
[20:45] <LE_RENARD__> ehehe
[20:45] <Jenkins3d> but all the stars have a square thing aournd it
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[20:46] <LE_RENARD__> notice the difference
[20:46] <LE_RENARD__> bah never mind
[20:46] <ukuz_zzz> yeah this person must have spent some time arranging the stars in the right place
[20:46] <LE_RENARD__> btw the stars are fake as well
[20:47] <ukuz_zzz> yep
[20:48] <Jenkins3d> why the hell woud someone spend that much time making a fake pic
[20:48] <LE_RENARD__> ask nancy leider
[20:49] <LE_RENARD__> she has spent the last 7 years of her lofe with this scam
[20:49] <LE_RENARD__> and now her time in running out
[20:49] <ukuz_zzz> payola maybe?
[20:49] <LE_RENARD__> buy her book, youll find the answer there :)
[20:49] <LE_RENARD__> or rather, the video/book combo!
[20:49] <LE_RENARD__> hhe
[20:50] <ukuz_zzz> it be interesting to find out if she is connected to this in anyway...
[20:52] <ukuz_zzz> I think if you invert a real photo of the stars you wouldnt have those squares surrounding the objects...  be a good one for your website Sapp.
[20:54] <Jenkins3d> i cant find a real photo...
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[20:59] <sapphire> ukuz: i wouldn't post that because its from "Oleg".  If you can find one posted from Nancy...
[21:03] <ukuz_zzz> ok
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[21:13] <Jenkins3d> sooo...
[21:13] <Jenkins3d> i did the same thing to a real star pic and got the same results
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[21:28] <LE_RENARD__> sup
[21:29] <LE_RENARD__> dudes?
[21:30] <Jenkins3d> i did that invert thing to a real star pic
[21:31] <Jenkins3d> and i got kinda the same results
[21:31] <LE_RENARD__> and?
[21:31] <Jenkins3d> they were really faint though
[21:31] <LE_RENARD__> and now your scared and believe every bit of nancy claims
[21:31] <LE_RENARD__> heh
[21:31] <Jenkins3d> but when i pushed my laptop screen back they were there
[21:31] <Jenkins3d> and no...im sure it's a fake...
[21:32] <LE_RENARD__> here the artifacts are easily seen
[21:32] <Jenkins3d> yeah...how do you think he did it?
[21:32] <Jenkins3d> im gonna try it
[21:33] <LE_RENARD__> gee man its pretty simple
[21:33] <LE_RENARD__> you cant trust any images nowdays
[21:33] <LE_RENARD__> even a 12 years old boy can goof it
[21:34] <Jenkins3d> yeah...but how do you think that picture was faked?
[21:34] <LE_RENARD__> the red orb was presumably from another star pic
[21:34] <LE_RENARD__> it was cutted
[21:34] <LE_RENARD__> thats the squeare you notice
[21:34] <LE_RENARD__> and then pasted into the previously arranged star pic you see in the background
[21:35] <Jenkins3d> ok, yeah..
[21:35] <LE_RENARD__> add some blur here and there
[21:35] <LE_RENARD__> and voila
[21:35] <LE_RENARD__> planetx to go
[21:35] <Jenkins3d> i never had much luck with photoshop...i always mess things up
[21:36] <Jenkins3d> maybe ill get a book
[21:36] <LE_RENARD__> look for one in kazaa
[21:40] <sapphire> i think i'll be downloading America's Army now
[21:40] <Jenkins3d> is that that game the navy made?
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[21:42] <sapphire> game that the army made.
[21:43] <Jenkins3d> same diffrence
[21:43] <sapphire> every gamer i know tells me it is the best
[21:45] <Jenkins3d> humm, i wonder if it has some kind of a trojan in it
[21:45] <LE_RENARD__> LOL!
[21:45] <LE_RENARD__> ask nancy
[21:45] <Jenkins3d> that the goverment made so they can spy on you
[21:45] <LE_RENARD__> hehe
[21:46] <Jenkins3d> i should
[21:49] <sapphire> maybe you could ask Nancy who she convinced to take down my website.
[21:49] <sapphire> or did the zetas issue this directive
[21:49] <LE_RENARD__> hows that sapphire?
[21:50] <sapphire> a campaign to frame my site for a world-wide flood of porn spam was launched last night
[21:50] <LE_RENARD__> hmm i see
[21:50] <LE_RENARD__> what happened?
[21:50] <LE_RENARD__> and wich site was tyours?
[21:51] <sapphire> computers in china and taiwan are being used at this moment to send floods of spam out, with my site named as the source
[21:51] <sapphire> my site is skepticalmind.com
[21:51] <LE_RENARD__> oh its yours
[21:51] <LE_RENARD__> nice
[21:51] <sapphire> several sources i spoke with today, are convinced it might be sirgrim
[21:52] <LE_RENARD__> well, i might be able to assist you
[21:52] <sapphire> recently made board member of tt inc.
[21:52] <LE_RENARD__> im a network security analyst
[21:52] <LE_RENARD__> in wich way is your website being used as a spam target?
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[21:53] <sapphire> the spam is for penis-enlargement and shows graphic pictures.  The spam tells them to go to my site for further details and lists me as contact info
[21:53] <LE_RENARD__> i see
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[21:54] <LE_RENARD__> can i see the headers of one of those messages?
[21:54] <sapphire> thousands of complaints are arriving at my ISP, and dozens are coming to me, telling me to shut down my site or else
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[21:54] <sapphire> yeah, hold on...
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[21:56] <RedD> so... J3, 3j, .... what's new?
[21:57] * RedD checks the room for a pulse....
[21:57] <Motivez> sapphire
[21:57] <Motivez> Post the headers
[21:57] <Motivez> If it's sirgrim, grats him on jail time.
[21:57] <RedD> Hiya Motivez
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[21:58] <Motivez> afk
[22:01] <LE_RENARD__> where is sirgrim located
[22:01] <LE_RENARD__> in the world?
[22:02] <LE_RENARD__> hello?
[22:02] <LE_RENARD__> !seen sirgrim
[22:02] <LE_RENARD__> seen sirgrim
[22:02] <sapphire> colorado
[22:02] <FunBot> sirgrim was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 86 days, 1 hour, 12 minutes ago.
[22:02] <grimbot> sirgrim (sirgrim@166.93.200.239) was last seen quitting from #Troubled_Times 2 days, 11 hours, 41 minutes ago stating ().
[22:27] <Jenkins3d> !seen jenkins3d
[22:27] <grimbot> Jenkins3d, go look in a mirror.
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[22:28] <Jenkins3d> im gonna go to sleep now
[22:28] <Jenkins3d> cya all later
[22:29] <SnookPoon> bye
[22:29] <sapphire> later
[22:29] <Jenkins3d> grr, im gonna stay for a few more minutes
[22:30] <sapphire> has "sirgrim" ever refered to himself as a "unix wizard" or similar?
[22:30] <Jenkins3d> are you a photo expert snookpoon?
[22:30] <SnookPoon> Why do you ask?
[22:31] <Jenkins3d> casue there is this px pic and i want to know if something is normal
[22:31] <LE_RENARD__> lol dood
[22:32] <sapphire> there are no px pics
[22:32] <Jenkins3d> it is kind weird though that when it is inverted, you get a nice white color
[22:32] <SnookPoon> I'm pretty good with different graphics programs but have no expertise in analysis of photographs
[22:32] <Jenkins3d> normally it's kinda noisy in the real space pics
[22:33] <SnookPoon> Did someone claim to have come up with a new photo of PX?
[22:33] <sapphire> oh, by the way, no russian space craft have taken color pictures...
[22:34] <LE_RENARD__> lol
[22:34] <LE_RENARD__> its alien tech dood :)
[22:34] <sapphire> lol
[22:34] <Jenkins3d> yeah...http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
[22:34] <Jenkins3d> http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
[22:37] <SnookPoon> Looks fake to me.
[22:38] <LE_RENARD__> hehe
[22:38] <LE_RENARD__> no shit
[22:38] <Jenkins3d> i dont see how it could be real
[22:38] <SnookPoon> Why would russian's use GMT don't they have a slightly different alphabet?
[22:39] <SnookPoon> alpha
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[22:39] <SnookPoon> Hey sapphire, I have a question for you
[22:40] <mob> anyone present?
[22:41] <SnookPoon> Yeah, were just looking at new Px pictures
[22:41] <SnookPoon> http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
[22:42] <mob> hmm.
[22:43] <SnookPoon> Sapphire: I was on here the other day and you were talking about how you had had some experiences with zetas or something like that. I was just curious to know what experience you had
[22:43] <SnookPoon> I wanted to ask you then but I got distracted
[22:43] <mob> I read somewhere that if the planet was that close now it would be visible to the naked eye.
[22:43] <LE_RENARD__> no shit mob
[22:44] <LE_RENARD__> and guess what, the planet is invisible
[22:44] <mob> I'm not an astromoner but I wonder what the opinions of those that were a little more learned in the field are.
[22:45] <SnookPoon> I'm sure they would just laugh
[22:45] <mob> so the planet should be visible or not?
[22:46] <LE_RENARD__> yes man
[22:46] <LE_RENARD__> but it doesnt exist
[22:46] <LE_RENARD__> therefore, you cannot see it
[22:46] <sapphire> the short story: zetas (or whatever they really are) are not to be trusted.
[22:47] <mob> well I appreciate the link to the pics but they really don't mean much to me as I can't authenticate them.
[22:47] <mob> As far as I can tell it is another case of y2k
[22:47] <sapphire> worse than y2k
[22:47] <mob> probally not a bad idea to be prepared but then it always is.
[22:47] <LE_RENARD__> heavens gate
[22:47] <sapphire> worse than heaven's gate
[22:48] <mob> prepare for the worse and hope for the best
[22:48] <SnookPoon> Did you know somone that claimed to be abducted?
[22:48] <mob> not I
[22:48] <mob> I have heard of them
[22:48] <mob> can't say that I don't believe in the posibility
[22:48] <LE_RENARD__> ive been abducted
[22:48] <mob> has anyone here heard of the disclosure project?
[22:49] <SnookPoon> nope
[22:49] <mob> hmm
[22:49] <LE_RENARD__> yes, and havent heard of any achievments yet
[22:49] <mob> seems to be pretty intense
[22:49] <mob> quite expansive that is
[22:49] <mob> saw a show on cable access the other day
[22:49] <mob> pretty well put together
[22:49] <mob> well organized
[22:50] <mob> many speakers willing to testify about informtion that is not available to those that don't dig it up so to speak
[22:50] <mob> zero point energy and interdimensionals
[22:51] <LE_RENARD__> well ive heard that story like for years now
[22:51] <mob> oh well,  just curious
[22:51] <LE_RENARD__> i think its time for action
[22:51] <mob> don't suppose any one here has a background in history or law?
[22:52] <mob> well all , perhaps another time
[22:52] <mob> I am being 'paged
[22:52] <mob> 'peace!  
[22:52] <SnookPoon> sapphire: Why do you think they are evil?
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[22:57] <SnookPoon> !talk
[22:57] <LE_RENARD__> seen nancyl
[22:57] <FunBot> nancyl was last on IRC channel #Troubled_Times 2 days, 10 hours, 45 minutes ago.
[22:57] <LE_RENARD__> !seen nancyl
[22:57] <grimbot> NancyL (lieder@dell-adsl-65-171-106-23.baraboo.com) was last seen quitting from #ZetaTalk 2 days, 6 hours, 46 minutes ago stating (Quit (Leaving)).
[22:58] <SnookPoon> cool
[22:58] <sapphire> snookpoon: they seek to turn people against their own societies, cultures, governments...these are the actions of invaders.
[22:58] <SnookPoon> what do funbot and grimbot do?
[22:59] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I agree...Divide and conquer
[22:59] <sapphire> exactly
[22:59] <SnookPoon> But that assumes you believe in zetas to begin with
[22:59] <SnookPoon> I''m not sure
[23:00] <sapphire> when i say Zeta, I really mean "Zeta", because I don't see them as Nancy does
[23:00] <SnookPoon> I've never had an experience with or known anyone who says they have
[23:01] <SnookPoon> I don't understand
[23:01] <sapphire> not everyone is susceptable to their agenda
[23:01] <SnookPoon> You don't see them but you have had contact in some other manner?
[23:03] <sapphire> "seen" them only in dreams.  Had conscious contact with them only through words and physical manifestation--not visual
[23:03] <SnookPoon> like a ghost type contact?
[23:04] <sapphire> yes, very similar
[23:05] <SnookPoon> Do you feel your dreams are surpressed memmories or just normal dreams
[23:05] <sapphire> purpose is always a subtle attempt to turn you against authority
[23:05] <sapphire> dreams are how they attempt communication/influence
[23:06] <sapphire> most people are not susceptable for some reason but many are
[23:06] <LE_RENARD__> and why you?
[23:06] <sapphire> don't know
[23:06] <sapphire> it all stopped about the same time I decided ZetaTalk was against us (people)
[23:07] <sapphire> except for a single nightmare
[23:07] <SnookPoon> have you gaines any insights other than a purpose to turn you against authority?
[23:07] <SnookPoon> gained
[23:07] <sapphire> lots
[23:07] <sapphire> they can't come here yet...for starters
[23:07] <LE_RENARD__> how come
[23:08] <SnookPoon> They are somewhere else and trying to control us from their home planet with telepathy?
[23:08] <sapphire> i'm not sure...but Nancy's version is a lie designed to preserve their look of superior technology
[23:08] <sapphire> i don't think they are from another planet...in the normal sense
[23:08] <SnookPoon> another dimension?
[23:08] <sapphire> closer to what Nancy says--another dimension/density
[23:09] <SnookPoon> ok
[23:09] <sapphire> i think ZT mixes truth with lies
[23:10] <SnookPoon> Do you think their intent might bre to possess people like they say evil spirts do?
[23:10] <sapphire> i've never seen anything like posession.  I think it is more like forming a cult or mind control
[23:11] <sapphire> control people's "reality"
[23:12] <sapphire> it seems there is some part of our human mind that allows them to exist
[23:12] <sapphire> perhaps if a "critical mass" of people believing in their existence is reached...they can come here
[23:12] <SnookPoon> Well some believe that if we can concieve of it that it is possible
[23:13] <SnookPoon> Just look at the now evolving physics thoeries about superstrings and such
[23:13] <LE_RENARD__> you might as well reconsider your experiences
[23:13] <sapphire> remember how Nancy and others explain "voodoo"?
[23:14] <SnookPoon> I forgot?
[23:14] <sapphire> voodoo works to great effect, but only when the "victims" believe in its power
[23:14] <SnookPoon> Oh...Yeah, That peoples beliefs make it real
[23:14] <sapphire> In the case of ZT, if enough people believe...
[23:14] <LE_RENARD__> suggestion perhaps?
[23:15] <sapphire> maybe...but it's almost like the "chicken and the egg" problem
[23:15] <SnookPoon> Could be
[23:16] <sapphire> did we create them? or Did they influence us to make them real?
[23:16] <SnookPoon> I think there is a mass consiousness
[23:16] <LE_RENARD__> i dont believe you have an accurate perception of things, sapphire
[23:17] <sapphire> it's only one of many theories that i currently entertain
[23:17] <SnookPoon> I guess if many people praying, or hoping about that it rain somewhere and it does
[23:17] <LE_RENARD__> well thats proven
[23:18] <LE_RENARD__> but you cannot "retro" create something
[23:18] <SnookPoon> then the same could be said to be true of PX and Zetas
[23:18] <sapphire> unless Zetas are actually creation of something else entirely...different "alien" form
[23:18] <LE_RENARD__> it its truth you can affect the enviroment where you exist to create the ideal conditions for a certain phenomena
[23:19] <LE_RENARD__> but you cannot create matter or energy from void
[23:19] <sapphire> ahh, but hallucinations come from "void"
[23:19] <LE_RENARD__> and  they are only in your mind
[23:20] <sapphire> yes, in the mind.  But, if enough parts of mind are affected...becomes seemingly real.
[23:20] <LE_RENARD__> if a tree fells down in a forest, and noone can hear it, does it exist?
[23:20] <sapphire> if there is "collective consciousness" then could be real for whole population
[23:21] <LE_RENARD__> there is collective consciousness from the information you preceive from your senses
[23:21] <SnookPoon> hmmm
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> if you never perceived something
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> and nobody did
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> it didnt exist
[23:22] <sapphire> true
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> even if it really existed
[23:22] <sapphire> true
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> but its never perceived by a third
[23:22] <LE_RENARD__> same as hallucinations
[23:23] <LE_RENARD__> they might prove real to someone, but only in his mind
[23:23] <LE_RENARD__> just as Nancy Leider
[23:23] <LE_RENARD__> she hears voices
[23:23] <sapphire> unless all human brains had a sub-set of common "perceptions"
[23:24] <LE_RENARD__> every single particle in the universe is infinitely connected
[23:24] <sapphire> all human brains may be capable of hearing the exact same voices she hears
[23:24] <sapphire> yet, the voices may not be "real"
[23:24] <LE_RENARD__> its been proven trhough experiments at the university of paris
[23:24] <sapphire> because all of our brains are very similar
[23:25] <LE_RENARD__> but you need to affect the enviroment
[23:25] <LE_RENARD__> affect the existense of the sorroundings
[23:25] <LE_RENARD__> for the rest of beings to perceive you
[23:26] <LE_RENARD__> otherwise, all is in your mind
[23:26] <sapphire> with ZT only Nancy needs to hear the voices
[23:26] <sapphire> the other belivers only hear nancy
[23:26] <LE_RENARD__> exactly
[23:26] <sapphire> yet they believe
[23:27] <LE_RENARD__> nancys little voices became real for the zetatalk minority when they agreed with them
[23:27] <LE_RENARD__> and of course, they did because they needed something in their lives
[23:27] <sapphire> yes...and on my site i document how a former believer was able to channel "zetas" by himself.
[23:27] <LE_RENARD__> people with empty lives need to fill holes, they need to feel they're part of something special
[23:28] <LE_RENARD__> and what is more special than a promise to be saved  from doomsday?
[23:28] <sapphire> and his "zeta" channeling was just as good as Nancy's...and he believed it was real
[23:28] <LE_RENARD__> and that becomes a cult
[23:28] <sapphire> it is a cult
[23:29] <LE_RENARD__> i feels sorry for guys like sirgrim and the other one
[23:29] <LE_RENARD__> what was his nick
[23:29] <LE_RENARD__> obany
[23:29] <sapphire> Gerard
[23:29] <LE_RENARD__> they will be so dissapointed
[23:29] <LE_RENARD__> tehyll feel so empty again
[23:29] <LE_RENARD__> they migth as well suicide
[23:29] <sapphire> they will be shattered
[23:29] <LE_RENARD__> those are the real threats behind nancy leiders little enterprise
[23:30] <LE_RENARD__> exactly
[23:30] <sapphire> there world will disintegrate...they will probably be unable to function again in our "world"
[23:31] <LE_RENARD__> they will wish to be taken to a better place
[23:31] <sapphire> murder/suicide is a likely result
[23:31] <LE_RENARD__> right
[23:31] <SnookPoon> You, think so?
[23:31] <SnookPoon> I hope not
[23:31] <LE_RENARD__> murder is a remote, but probable situation
[23:31] <LE_RENARD__> suicide is most likely to ocurr
[23:32] <LE_RENARD__> at least one of them will be shattered
[23:32] <LE_RENARD__> and he'll make his own trip to the better place he was promised
[23:32] <SnookPoon> I would hope that that does not occur...
[23:32] <LE_RENARD__> everyone forges his own fate
[23:33] <sapphire> but it won't be just a couple of guys...many many families have broken up because of all this...
[23:33] <sapphire> i think May-June 2003 will be on CNN big time...
[23:33] <LE_RENARD__> if some zetadrone decide to suicide, i can say "i told you"
[23:33] <sapphire> whole books will be written about what happened
[23:33] <LE_RENARD__> sorry, but i told you
[23:33] <LE_RENARD__> lawsuits :
[23:33] <LE_RENARD__> :)
[23:34] <LE_RENARD__> ill be more than pleased to see nancy leider in jail
[23:34] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I read about that one guy on your web site in troubled times that lost his wife
[23:34] <LE_RENARD__> so she cannot harm anyone else
[23:34] <sapphire> yeah, and that guy is still planning on abducting his older son to his "safe place" thanks to other cult members
[23:35] <LE_RENARD__> what?
[23:35] <SnookPoon> Are there others that have broken families also
[23:35] <LE_RENARD__> is that for real?
[23:35] <sapphire> yes, for real
[23:35] <LE_RENARD__> gee, these will be worse than i expected then
[23:35] <sapphire> whole families have turned against each other because of Nancy and Hazlewood.
[23:36] <SnookPoon> That's sad
[23:36] <sapphire> even grandparents have tried to brainwash the kids against the parents wishes...
[23:36] <sapphire> tt-watch is followed like a Bible for many people
[23:37] <sapphire> the iRC chat numbers only reflect a tiny sliver of the believers
[23:37] <SnookPoon> How do you go about counting them?
[23:37] <sapphire> that's why I don't think spam is my only threat to be coming...
[23:38] <SnookPoon> You have received threats?
[23:38] <sapphire> snook, you simply look at the self-proclaimed believers on all the forums, and then imagine all the people who don't post, don't use IRC...
[23:39] <sapphire> ...the number and proliferation of newspaper ads, radio shows, and websites filled with listening believers.
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[23:40] <sapphire> i received threats by phone, email and most recently against my web server
[23:40] <SnookPoon> what do they say  when they call
[23:40] <LE_RENARD__> hello again
[23:40] <SnookPoon> hey
[23:41] <sapphire> first day my site was up, I had 8 calls from my OWN CITY which asked for me and then hung up, or asked for some made up person, then hung up.
[23:41] <sapphire> they only wanted to hear that I was a real person, i guess.
[23:41] <LE_RENARD__> how did they got ur phone number?
[23:42] <LE_RENARD__> is ur personal data in the whois information?
[23:42] <sapphire> domain "whois"
[23:42] <LE_RENARD__> ah
[23:42] <LE_RENARD__> kind of a mistake from you
[23:42] <sapphire> interesting part is that this was 8 different people just HERE.  That means there are probably enough heavy believers in every major US city
[23:43] <sapphire> not a mistake.  I'm not afraid of them.  I will document everything they might do.
[23:43] <LE_RENARD__> thats good
[23:43] <LE_RENARD__> i would be nice to amke a full list of zetatalk members
[23:43] <LE_RENARD__> with their full names and location
[23:43] <SnookPoon> Are you writing a book?
[23:44] <sapphire> and...total strangers have mentioned PX scenario to me in conversations
[23:44] <LE_RENARD__> no, but we'll have so much fun in may 2003
[23:44] <LE_RENARD__> really sapphire?
[23:44] <sapphire> total strangers...yet they make sure that somehow they spread the word on the street
[23:44] <LE_RENARD__> be careful dood, these unstable mental people might be dangerous
[23:44] <sapphire> so, you have to figure the number of believers is a great deal more than suspected from IRC etc.
[23:45] <LE_RENARD__> whats the url for ttwatch
[23:45] <LE_RENARD__> and thats stuff
[23:45] <SnookPoon> Do you think they are coming up to you because they tracked you down to let you know they know who you are and where you live?
[23:45] <sapphire> i also found newspaper articles, classifieds in various newspapers.  People trying to contact other people concerning PX and safe locations.
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[23:46] <sapphire> snook, these were just people observing the weather...then they turn it to what they heard on a site--zetatalk
[23:46] <LE_RENARD__> hello ukuz_away
[23:46] <SnookPoon> Nancy says that people of like mind will meet
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[23:47] <sapphire> even a co-worker approached me about it, and he didn't even know I was interested in such things
[23:47] <SnookPoon> and she talks about how it's not a chance meeting
[23:47] <ukuz> Hi all
[23:47] <SnookPoon> That sure makes you think
[23:48] <sapphire> no, i don't think so.  ZT is very effective for what it was setup to do.
[23:48] <SnookPoon> What part of the world do you live in sapp?
[23:48] <sapphire> Las Vegas, Nevada USA
[23:48] <SnookPoon> I live in Florida and only heard of ZT about 1.5 months ago
[23:49] <LE_RENARD__> i wouldnt be surpirsed if nancy calls you an area 51 agent
[23:49] <LE_RENARD__> jej
[23:49] <SnookPoon> Noone has said crap to me about it
[23:49] <sapphire> i investigated Area51 back in 1990-92
[23:49] <LE_RENARD__> what did u find ?
[23:50] <sapphire> actually, I saw what Lazar claimed, at the times he claimed, twice in 90
[23:51] <LE_RENARD__> what do you think of lazar?
[23:51] <SnookPoon> So you saw flying saucers there
[23:51] <sapphire> i think he was directed by the government to put out the info that he put out
[23:51] <LE_RENARD__> hodl on a minute
[23:51] <LE_RENARD__> what did you saw?
[23:52] <sapphire> not saucer, it was night.  I saw the object with umbrella shaped affect around it, performing maneuvers
[23:52] <LE_RENARD__> did u caught it on video or pics?
[23:52] <sapphire> yes
[23:52] <LE_RENARD__> well, would u share them:)
[23:52] <SnookPoon> cool
[23:53] <sapphire> they aren't worth anything.  It is a little bright dot surrounded by pitch black and the camera was not steady...
[23:53] <ukuz> Sapphire is this photo real?
[23:53] <ukuz> DCC to ya
[23:53] <LE_RENARD__> it doesnt matter
[23:53] <sapphire> you have to remember that the best video cameras then were CRAP for night shooting.
[23:54] <LE_RENARD__> ukuz: sapphire already saw the pic
[23:54] <ukuz> no this is an area 51 photo of an alien
[23:54] <LE_RENARD__> oh
[23:54] <sapphire> what is important, is that the government was deliberately flying this object over a public highway--they wanted it to be seen
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[23:55] <sapphire> then they watched to see reaction in those who had seen it
[23:55] <JurAFK> goooooooooood morning!
[23:56] <sapphire> it was a setup, Lazar had to have been deliberate leak
[23:56] <SnookPoon> yes it is!
[23:56] <sapphire> ukuz: that's a pretty good doll
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[23:57] <ukuz> oh heh
[23:59] <SnookPoon> So do you think the US goverment has anti gravity vechiles?
[23:59] <Jurian> whahahaha
[23:59] <Jurian> they wish
[23:59] <LE_RENARD__> they do
[23:59] <Jurian> not very likely
[23:59] <SnookPoon> vehicles
Session Close: Tue Jul 30 00:00:00 2002