Session Start: Tue Jul 30 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
[00:00] <LE_RENARD__> recently beoing and some other big firms signed a contract to research on atigrativy shields
[00:00] <LE_RENARD__> it was like 2 years ago
[00:00] <Jurian> yeah, a shield that will take 2% off of the gravity
[00:00] <SnookPoon> That was just on Art Bell news tonight
[00:00] <Jurian> that's not anti-gravity
[00:00] <LE_RENARD__> and you know, when they "start" researching something, they already have it
[00:00] <LE_RENARD__> hehe
[00:01] <LE_RENARD__> its a start :)
[00:01] <Jurian> true
[00:01] <ukuz> isnt the gov flying those triangle ones over parts of the US
[00:01] <sapphire> At A51 I saw objects that I could not explain with conventional aerospace technology...so it wouldn't shock me if they were onto something
[00:01] <Jurian> you been to A51 ? :)
[00:01] <LE_RENARD__> i assume they are recovered crashed ships reverse engeenered
[00:01] <sapphire> yes
[00:01] <SnookPoon> I've never seen anything cool like that
[00:02] <sapphire> snook: it causes big adrenaline rush in your body when you see it
[00:02] <Jurian> :D
[00:02] <SnookPoon> I would imagine
[00:02] <sapphire> don't know if it was good or bad
[00:02] <Jurian> it'd also make me very sad tho :p
[00:02] <Jurian> knowing that IF the us govt has it, they'll most likely keep it secret and use it for their weapons technology only
[00:03] <Jurian> instead of letting humanity benefit from the things
[00:03] <sapphire> jurian: yes, of course
[00:03] <SnookPoon> .
[00:03] <Jurian> pretty damned lame, imho
[00:03] <SnookPoon> Yeah, I don't think they would let out the secret either
[00:04] <sapphire> every test they did was at night
[00:04] <LE_RENARD__> read this
[00:04] <LE_RENARD__> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-social/message/5670
[00:04] <LE_RENARD__> that proves my claim
[00:04] <sapphire> you could never make out the exact shape of the craft body
[00:04] <SnookPoon> How many nights did you go out there?
[00:04] <LE_RENARD__> all those who follow nancy leider need to feel they are part of something special
[00:05] <sapphire> between '90 and '92 probably more than 50 times
[00:05] <SnookPoon> Did you just camp
[00:05] <sapphire> first trip was just at late night for about 2 hours
[00:05] <sapphire> later, spent from around Noon to 5am
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> Anyway, we should all know how this ends, basically Zetatalk and the
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> UFO/ET phenomena filled in the missing pieces for me.
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> Suffice to say that
[00:06] <SnookPoon> Out of those 50 times how many times did you see something?
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> after all of my research, the looming PS scenario came as little surprise.
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> My bookshelf had begun to look somewhat like the "The Word" section of
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> Troubled Times, but there was also a lot of new info there. Now, I'm not
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> saying ZT/TT is Gospel or anything, just, "Wow! What a relief!" when I
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> found it, as I could stop searching, and start ACTING on what my intuition
[00:06] <LE_RENARD__> had been telling me.
[00:06] <Jurian> heh, that's how I feel as well :)
[00:06] <Jurian> I wouldn't at all be surprised if the shift happens
[00:06] <sapphire> snook: something non-explainable?
[00:07] <Jurian> but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't, either
[00:07] <LE_RENARD__> so,Jurian, you're a zetadrone
[00:07] <Jurian> no, I'm not
[00:07] <LE_RENARD__> so you're an idiot with no opinion?
[00:07] <LE_RENARD__> without a criteria?
[00:07] <Jurian> wtf?
[00:07] <LE_RENARD__> <Jurian> I wouldn't at all be surprised if the shift happens
[00:07] <LE_RENARD__> <Jurian> but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't, either
[00:08] <LE_RENARD__> wtf is that?
[00:08] <sapphire> Jurian wants to see how this whole thing plays out...just like the rest of us
[00:08] <Jurian> in other words, there is know way to be sure
[00:08] <Jurian> know = no
[00:08] <LE_RENARD__> get the facts
[00:08] <Jurian> you cannot prove anything with facts
[00:08] <Jurian> only disprove
[00:09] <LE_RENARD__> so for any idiot claiming the end of the world youll wait and see if it really comes?
[00:09] <Jurian> nope
[00:09] <LE_RENARD__> only *this* idiot ?
[00:09] <Jurian> yep, but I suppose that's only because I want it to happen
[00:10] <LE_RENARD__> lol
[00:10] <Jurian> because I hate humanity, our so called "civilisation"
[00:10] <LE_RENARD__> how old are you?
[00:10] <ukuz> I remember having a bag of individually wrapped candy, it wasnt Starburst though, and some on them were without a wrapper.  my question is, does this mean the Zetas were trying to tell me something?
[00:10] <ukuz> =)
[00:10] <Jurian> how can any race that lets 10000's of people die every day, because they don't have food, while other countries dump food cause they have too much, call itself civilised?
[00:11] <Jurian> I'm 22 friday
[00:11] <LE_RENARD__> so, you call yourself  civilized
[00:11] <LE_RENARD__> and want everyone to die?
[00:11] <LE_RENARD__> and hate everyone?
[00:11] <Jurian> how can a race that is on the edge of destroying itselv call itself civilised?
[00:11] <Jurian> I don't call myself civilised
[00:11] <Jurian> and I don't want everyone to die
[00:11] <LE_RENARD__> then?
[00:12] <Jurian> I want humanity to get a new chance, to do things right
[00:12] <sapphire> i agree the world is often a horrific place, however, men are animals with higher intelligence...it goes with the territory
[00:12] <LE_RENARD__> and you need to believe its going to happen
[00:13] <LE_RENARD__> you need to feel youll be part of this new world, the golden era
[00:13] <Jurian> no, I want something big to happen
[00:13] <LE_RENARD__> you want to be part of something special eh
[00:13] <Jurian> no, if something happens, and I die, fine. As long as humanity as a whole can get another chance
[00:14] <sapphire> everyone gets another chance, it's called reincarnation
[00:14] <ukuz> Jurian why dont you look at your present life now as something great?
[00:14] <LE_RENARD__> and based on what you beliweve nancy?
[00:14] <Jurian> I don't believe nancy
[00:14] <SnookPoon> I have to go....Thanks for all the enlightening conversation!
[00:14] <LE_RENARD__> bye SnookPoon
[00:14] <sapphire> bye skookpoon
[00:14] <ukuz> aloja
[00:15] <SnookPoon> see ya
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[00:15] <Jurian> fuck that, I resigned from tt inc months ago, because I cannot believe nancy
[00:15] <ukuz> why the change?
[00:15] <Jurian> too many contradictions
[00:15] <LE_RENARD__> lol
[00:15] <LE_RENARD__> dont you feel stupid?
[00:15] <Jurian> her "planet" keeps changing specs
[00:15] <ukuz> what about the Starburst?
[00:15] <ukuz> heh
[00:15] <Jurian> stupid? for believing in something that may be humanity's only chance? not really
[00:16] <Jurian> if something big doesn't happen soon, we'll most likely destroy ourselves
[00:16] <LE_RENARD__> no, stupid for believing at least once in an old lady with fantastic stories
[00:16] <sapphire> the "starburst" episode really floored me--and i wasn't a believer
[00:16] <LE_RENARD__> with no support or facts
[00:16] <ukuz> yeah me too
[00:16] <ukuz> =)
[00:16] <Jurian> I never really believed in the whole thing
[00:17] <Jurian> I just wanted it to happen
[00:17] <ukuz> i get unwrapped candy every now and then too
[00:17] <ukuz> hehe
[00:17] <LE_RENARD__> well  off to get some rest
[00:17] <sapphire> i've gotten beer that was half empty
[00:17] <LE_RENARD__> bye guys
[00:17] <sapphire> later
[00:17] <ukuz> aloha
[00:17] <LE_RENARD__> bye, former zetadrone
[00:17] <Jurian> I'm not a zetadrone :p
[00:18] <Jurian> nor was I ever one
[00:18] <LE_RENARD__> *former*
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[00:19] <sapphire> Jurian, I see where your coming from.  Back in '95 and '96 I sort of wanted it to happen as well--for the same reasons
[00:19] <Jurian> :)
[00:19] <ukuz> Jurian, what else made you not follow her?
[00:19] <Jurian> her attitude
[00:19] <Jurian> the way she deals with people who disagree with her
[00:19] <Jurian> scared the shit out of me
[00:20] <ukuz> kind of halfed cocked like?
[00:20] <sapphire> but, when ZT commented on Hale-Bopp comet, tiny cracks began to form in my "belief"
[00:20] <Jurian> and I wanted nothing more to do with the whole thing
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[00:20] <Jurian> heh, I still want something big to happen, but I find it very difficult to believe a poleshift would be realistic
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[00:21] <Jurian> I do not think anything would survive something like that
[00:21] <sapphire> Something "big" is going to happen...
[00:21] <Jurian> yeah, it has to
[00:21] <Jurian> I just hope it'll be a change for the better
[00:21] <ukuz> yeah, maybe Nancy will be the only STS in all this...
[00:21] <sapphire> First off, collapse of US government.  Sad, but unavoidable.
[00:21] <Jurian> not sure, I think she really believes she's talking to aliens
[00:22] <sapphire> yeah, but they are not what they claim
[00:22] <Jurian> heh, no offense, but collapse of US govt is not something I see as sad
[00:22] <Jurian> I see that as a joyfull occasion
[00:22] <sapphire> right, but this will open a power vaccuum which will change the world...
[00:22] <Jurian> US democracy is messed up, bush being an un-lawfull president
[00:23] <Jurian> the usa should stop trying to be the worlds' police officer
[00:23] <Jurian> and it should stop trying to gain total control over the internet
[00:23] <sapphire> perhaps, but the real problem is financial...debt load will consume 90 percent of taxed income within next 5 years
[00:23] <sapphire> that means government collapse
[00:23] <Jurian> yeah
[00:24] <Jurian> world-wide economic recession, most likely
[00:24] <sapphire> my projection:  civil war inside USA.  Rest of world scrambling to figure out how to deal with new situation.
[00:25] <Jurian> probably very likely
[00:25] <Jurian> europe is becoming stronger tho, slowly
[00:25] <sapphire> think back in time...fall of Roman empire
[00:25] <Jurian> there were no other relatively big empires in that time
[00:26] <Jurian> europe is pretty strong, I think
[00:26] <sapphire> yes, europe will stand without US
[00:26] <Jurian> it will obviously feel the blow, if the US goes "down"
[00:26] <Jurian> but it'll probably hold up best of whole the world
[00:27] <Jurian> we really need to reform the whole economic system
[00:27] <sapphire> europe will probably be instrumental in "backing" a particular faction during civil war which will bring about a new US of sorts
[00:27] <Jurian> pretty likely, yes
[00:27] <Jurian> I only hope noone will be dumb enough to use nukes
[00:27] <sapphire> no nukes will be used internally
[00:28] <Jurian> I think a public, world wide, alien landing, would also do much good
[00:28] <Jurian> it'd initially scare the shit out of most people, probably
[00:28] <Jurian> but after a while, if they're not hostile, it'd make us realize we're not alone
[00:28] <Jurian> give us a chance to set aside our petty conflicts
[00:28] <sapphire> it is another possible scenario which I could see happening before too long
[00:28] <Jurian> and start thinking on a bigger scale
[00:28] <sapphire> "they" are real, whatever they are
[00:29] <Jurian> yes, I have no doubt whatsoever, that alien life exists, and is visiting us
[00:29] <Jurian> to believe otherwise, is ignorant, and arrogant
[00:29] <ukuz> Sapphire, do you see the antichrist in this scenario?
[00:29] <Jurian> believing that out of the billions of worlds, only earth developped intelligent life, is stupid
[00:29] <sapphire> however, if they are "friendly" the world's nations will compete for their "privelage" and this will lead to world war
[00:30] <Jurian> heh, not so sure
[00:30] <Jurian> see it as in star trek, they show themselves, but do not share technology
[00:30] <sapphire> Leaders of nations are paranoid, always think that another country is scheming to get their side of the story to the aliens first
[00:30] <Jurian> we as a race, MUST develop ourselves.
[00:31] <Jurian> I gotta go, bbl
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[00:31] <sapphire> later
[00:32] <sapphire> If US government believed China had a better audience with the "aliens" then US would most likely launch a first strike nuke attack against China
[00:32] <sapphire> assuming
[00:32] <sapphire> aliens were not hostile, or appeared non-military
[00:33] <sapphire> as an example
[00:38] <ukuz> thats the way of mankind
[00:38] <sapphire> yes, so it is likely that "friendly" aliens would not contact any governments
[00:39] <ukuz> wonder who would be their choice?
[00:39] <sapphire> i tend to think the aliens are not "friendly"
[00:39] <sapphire> they will most likely mass invade when they have developed the capability or set the proper conditions
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[00:40] <sapphire> oh no, we are all alone
[00:40] <ukuz> looks like the euro's got the boot
[00:40] <sapphire> lol
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[00:41] <ukuz> ever read books by Phillip Krapf?
[00:41] <sapphire> no, sounds familiar
[00:42] <ukuz> Artbell guest
[00:42] <ukuz> heh
[00:42] <sapphire> ah, yes
[00:42] <sapphire> what was his topic?
[00:42] <ukuz> i read both books
[00:43] <ukuz> abducted by aliens to write books in prep of alien contact sometime within a few years
[00:43] <sapphire> what was "few years"?
[00:44] <ukuz> Prep for alien contact to man within a few years
[00:44] <ukuz> that was his purpose of being abducted
[00:45] <sapphire> right, but I was wondering if he had a specific time frame in mind.  When was the book written?
[00:45] <ukuz> oh, not specific but within 3 years as I recall
[00:46] <sapphire> ok.  What did the aliens claim was there purpose for wanting to contact earth?
[00:47] <ukuz> Prepare man for Space travel and follow Space Federation laws
[00:47] <ukuz> aliens were called the Verdants.
[00:49] <sapphire> ok, "The Challenge Of Contact"
[00:49] <ukuz> right
[00:49] <ukuz> and "the Contact has begun"
[00:49] <ukuz> which was his first
[00:50] <ukuz> i just wanted to see what you thought about this guy
[00:50] <sapphire> first time I heard of him, i am now reading his website
[00:51] <ukuz> retired newspaper writer, athiest, never thought much of aliens or UFOs, just plain upper class guy
[00:52] <ukuz> (\middle to upper class guy)
[00:52] <sapphire> Supposedly in 2002 some world-renown Ambassadors will start speaking out on UFO/Star Visitor reality.
[00:53] <ukuz> that sounds about what i read
[00:53] <sapphire> well, i haven't noticed the Ambassadors yet...have you?
[00:53] <ukuz> no
[00:53] <sapphire> hmmm, not good
[00:54] <sapphire> i still want to believe that the aliens could be peaceful and see that transpire
[00:54] <sapphire> but, it is only hope.  Because, so far, I have seen only the opposite
[00:55] <ukuz> somewhere in the southwest US area they said a large facility would be erected for the contact
[00:57] <ukuz> it said they have been behind the moon on their spacecraft monitoring us for hundred of years
[00:58] <sapphire> i think Krapf has a innacurate feel for human nature.  In his second book he claims that:
[00:58] <sapphire> This is what this means for humanity: Soon there will be no more poverty, suffering, illness, child abuse, torture, or wars. We are now in a position to lovingly overcome all our limitations.
[00:59] <sapphire> however, if you simply look to the mass atrocities committed on a daily basis in continents like Africa.  You can see that there are millions of humans who will not fit into his picture of the future
[01:00] <sapphire> there are rivers in Africa, which have literally completely filled with the dead bodies of the slaughtered
[01:00] <ukuz> and this makes me look at the possibility of an antichrist coming into play
[01:00] <sapphire> how so?
[01:01] <ukuz> well, if he has alien IQ he may rule
[01:01] <ukuz> perform miracles etc
[01:01] <sapphire> so, you mean that a human will be genetically modified by aliens to become a leader?
[01:02] <ukuz> no just make beleivers see his capabilities
[01:02] <sapphire> so, if you are not a believer, you don't see him as special?
[01:03] <ukuz> i mean, make beleivers out of everyone who doesnt beleive
[01:04] <sapphire> ok, but who does the anti-christ represent in your theory?
[01:05] <ukuz> ever hear of Kathleen Keating
[01:05] <ukuz> ?
[01:05] <sapphire> yes, I've heard the name.  Can't remember the details...
[01:05] <sapphire> going to bathroom...be back in a minute
[01:06] <ukuz> she knew information from a close exorcist priest named Malachi Martin.
[01:07] <ukuz> ive pasted the webpage off her site
[01:09] <ukuz> I have her first book, funny thing is that she believes the catastrophies coming about next year also...and I dont think it has anything to do with ZETAtalk
[01:09] <sapphire> ok, i'm looking at it now...
[01:11] <ukuz> Benjamin Creme was interviewed on coast to coast saturday
[01:14] <sapphire> do you have the website for Creme?
[01:15] <ukuz> yes
[01:15] <sapphire> and his "boss"?
[01:16] <ukuz> just whats on Coast to Coast past shows  http://www.shareintl.org/
[01:17] <ukuz> i beleive this is the real McCoy
[01:17] <ukuz> beware
[01:19] <sapphire> looking at it now
[01:19] <ukuz> according to Creme, this Matreiya name is not his real name
[01:25] <ukuz> checkout her radio show transcripts when you have the time,  it pretty much says what she is all about.
[01:25] <ukuz> (kathleen Keating)
[01:26] <sapphire> ok, i'm still looking over the maitreya site
[01:26] <ukuz> Just beware of the cookies
[01:27] <sapphire> what cookies?
[01:29] <ukuz> according to Kathleen, this is the antichrist and he visited her in her back yard in person early one morning. freacked her and her dog out.
[01:29] <ukuz> she regrets signing up on his website
[01:30] <ukuz> said he just appeared in her enclosed backyard in his armani suit
[01:31] <sapphire> trust me, if such an appearance happened to me, I would not consider this my "friend".
[01:32] <sapphire> not with the stuff I've seen...
[01:32] <ukuz> im glad
[01:32] <ukuz> :)
[01:32] <ukuz> im afraid to visit that website and look around
[01:32] <ukuz> how was it?
[01:33] <ukuz> heh
[01:33] <sapphire> check this out, sound familiar?:
[01:33] <sapphire> These were given during Creme's public lectures in London via a process of mental overshadowing or spiritual telepathy, which is not related to mediumship or channelling.
[01:33] <sapphire> ?
[01:34] <ukuz> no
[01:34] <ukuz> whats you take?
[01:34] <ukuz> your
[01:34] <sapphire> the desire to refute that it is "channeled", because it is a "special" communication.
[01:34] <ukuz> astral
[01:34] <sapphire> Nancy says the same thing
[01:35] <ukuz> travel
[01:35] <ukuz> ok
[01:35] <ukuz> interesting
[01:35] <sapphire> it's not "channeled" its an implant and different...
[01:35] <sapphire> Wrong...both are channeled.
[01:35] <ukuz> she does have that blank stare in some photos, i thought
[01:36] <sapphire> He also gives hints on how to recognize him and urges people to make known the fact of his presence.
[01:36] <sapphire> in other words...spread the word
[01:36] <sapphire> he wants to start a cult
[01:36] <ukuz> ah soooo
[01:37] <ukuz> did you see the OMEN?
[01:37] <sapphire> the movie? yes
[01:37] <ukuz> the guy is supposed to be raised by political figures?
[01:38] <sapphire> it is a move
[01:38] <sapphire> movie
[01:38] <ukuz> ok
[01:39] <ukuz> if you have access to barbara simpsons interview on saturday you can hear it
[01:39] <ukuz> the guy is really promoting this guy
[01:40] <sapphire> i can see from the site that he is the driving force behind this movement
[01:40] <sapphire> maitreya may not even exist...he has been created by Creme.
[01:40] <ukuz> yep, ever hear of the untold fatima prophesy?
[01:41] <sapphire> which one?
[01:41] <ukuz> last one
[01:41] <ukuz> i have the supposed real one
[01:41] <sapphire> "The end of commercialization is now at hand. In general, the stock markets as they are now run will have no place in the new society."
[01:41] <sapphire> this is from maitreya
[01:42] <sapphire> very similar to ZetaTalk
[01:42] <ukuz> i knew it sounded occult
[01:42] <ukuz> anti american
[01:42] <ukuz> anti christian too
[01:42] <ukuz> you can sense it
[01:43] <sapphire> what is your version of untold fatima prophecy?
[01:43] <ukuz> anyway let me get the fatima email that was sent to me
[01:43] <sapphire> ok, i'm going to bathroom for a minute
[01:43] <ukuz> its a description of PX if you would...
[01:47] <ukuz> its seems sort of like it
[01:47] <sapphire> looking at it now...
[01:51] <ukuz> maybe if this event is real next year it will be opportune time for deceivers to come into play too and use the fatima warning in their name
[01:52] <sapphire> yes, it seems similar to ZT PX scenario in many ways
[01:52] <ukuz> interesting for you to post something about this on your site perhaps?
[01:54] <ukuz> anyway, this is what Kathleen talks about during Art's interview
[01:54] <ukuz> these events
[01:55] <ukuz> transcripts are there too
[01:59] <sapphire> where are the transcripts?
[02:00] <ukuz> http://www.finalwarningthebook.com/transcripts.shtml
[02:00] <sapphire> ok, i just found it
[02:00] <ukuz> she goes in detail with art
[02:01] <ukuz> let you go Sapp, talk to you later...
[02:04] <ukuz> ;)
[02:04] <sapphire> later
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[05:01] <obany> ja ik weet het
[05:01] <Jurian> ik wordt gek
[05:01] <Jurian> ik wil terug naar zweden, veel beter :p
[05:01] <Jurian> zou bijna een airco aanschaffen! :)
[05:01] <obany> kan het begrijpen is niet echt lekker meer
[05:02] <obany> voor 1en ff geholpen m'n zus naar huis te rijden van strand af.. heeft wel wagen met van die wielen die over zand kunnen maar toch nog redelijk zwaar
[05:02] <obany> zweet bah
[05:04] <obany> wanneer ga je weer terug dan naar zweden ?
[05:07] <obany> mmmm http://www.blokker.nl/shop/1_1_artikelDetails.asp?ID=17%2E24%2E238+290&categorie=Folder+Top+12&lokatie=*%20ONZE%20FOLDER%20*
[05:22] <Jurian> zondag ochtend vertrekken
[05:22] <Jurian> hmm.. aircootje :)
[05:24] <obany> ja kleintje en niet zo gek duur ook... tja maar ja Nederland kennende kan het volgende week wel weer 20 C wezen .. en dan heb je zo'n ding niet nodig
[05:24] <obany> maar nu zal het wel lekker izjn
[05:24] <obany> zijn
[05:24] <obany> bijna jarig toch, wannneer?
[05:25] <Jurian> vrijdag
[05:25] <Jurian> 2 aug
[05:26] <obany> en hoe ga je dan weer terug ... met auto weer of anders ?
[05:26] <Jurian> auto, met een vriend van me (die ook gerard heet :P ), die komt een weekje op vakantie gelijk :)
[05:27] <obany> hoe komt die toch aan zo'n naam :P
[05:27] <obany> Gerard
[05:27] <obany> :)
[05:27] <obany> jullie gaan zeker achter de Zweedse vrouwtjes aan .. ?
[05:27] <obany> loop daar nog wat lekkers dan ?
[05:28] <obany> of valt het wel mee?
[05:28] <obany> :)
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[05:31] <obany> okay laters, and i think that i will go to the beach for a little while ...for a swim
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[05:38] <obany> hehehe ik ga weer ff weg
[05:38] <obany> strand
[05:38] <obany> wilde net gaan
[05:38] <obany> <obany> okay laters, and i think that i will go to the beach for a little while ...for a swim
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[05:38] <Angelic> :)
[05:39] * Angelic is away, I am enjoying 30 C Sun outside
[05:39] <Angelic> als ik die ov jaarkaart nog had was ik lekker naar het strand gegaan ;)
[05:39] <Angelic> cya
[05:40] <obany> cya
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[07:28] <obaway> zo ik ga weer richting keplerlaan ...
[07:28] <obaway> cu
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[08:10] <Freax> hi
[08:11] <Freax> you guys wouldnt happen to know of a program that has the ability of using different isp's for 2 different lines in modem multiplexing?
[08:14] <Freax> damn it would be nice to have a couple of modem pools
[08:14] <Freax> but i fall short of having the floorspace for a mini-isp =P
[08:16] <Freax> maybe in the new times i could provide long range free networking over 56kb-150kb UHF or VHF ham data links to interconnect users and network efforts and bring people together, while selling plans for modem/transciever packages that can do this and communicate with my 'network'
[08:17] <Freax> the parts to build them would come from manufacturers that are still alive
[08:17] <Freax> and or countries that are still floating that have the financial base to continue in an economic world
[08:18] <Freax> and provide short-medium term communications for people in power and leadership
[08:18] <Freax> so as to provide efforts in moral and progress reports from across the globe
[08:18] <Freax> and bring the world back together
[08:18] <Freax> although, i again fall short of finding a high enough building
[08:19] <Freax> maybe the still standing towers of sydney could provide such a place of presence
[08:19] <Freax> i think wireless lans could really shoot off for the next networking base
[08:20] <Freax> this is of course for the people with the ability to keep alive =)
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[08:47] <cmel> hello
[08:47] <Freax> im a sissy
[08:47] <cmel> god for you :)
[08:47] <cmel> good
[08:47] <Freax> it isnt good
[08:47] <Freax> im loosing touch with my friend
[08:47] <cmel> why
[08:47] <Freax> friend of 14 years
[08:48] <cmel> then talk to you friend, with honesty
[08:48] <cmel> you'r
[08:48] <Freax> i try but all i say is bullshit
[08:48] <Freax> a trait of my father
[08:48] <Freax> i cant understand his point of view
[08:48] <cmel> not good :(
[08:49] <Freax> because im not doing education the same as him
[08:49] <Freax> he is doing his year 11 now
[08:49] <Freax> of secondary school
[08:49] <cmel> in education
[08:49] <Freax> im doing year 10
[08:49] <Freax> i should be in year 12
[08:49] <Freax> if i didnt leave school for 5 years
[08:49] <cmel> yeah I know that
[08:49] <Freax> but i caught up out of school via distance education
[08:50] <Freax> now all i am is the sloppy idiotic crap face product of home schooling
[08:50] <cmel> Don
[08:50] <cmel> don't say that
[08:51] <cmel> I know that situation, I've tried that
[08:51] <cmel> change course
[08:51] <cmel> change yourself
[08:52] <Freax> i cant without mainstream schooling
[08:52] <Freax> and that is delayed by class fillings
[08:52] <cmel> thats a prob.
[08:53] <cmel> can you pay your way in
[08:53] <Freax> can you look over my message?
[08:53] <cmel> ?
[08:53] <Freax> nope
[08:53] <Freax> in a query?
[08:53] <cmel> nope
[08:54] <Freax> narf
[08:54] <cmel> how about say what you just said to your friend
[08:54] <Freax> because the message dosent entail that plot
[08:55] <cmel> I think, if it a real friend, that the friend would understand
[08:55] <Freax> yes well im not sure at his position on his reply of my email but i know it's worrying
[08:56] <Freax> And then what? What if I +can+ gain university entry? I still have no idea what I will do. I know it will be nothing like I was thinking a few years ago. I had it all planned back then, but it's just not going to happen.
[08:56] <cmel> I think honesty is the best way, that is if you have trust
[08:56] <Freax> but im afraid of saying the wrong thing, again.
[08:57] <cmel> I hear you, but you could start with a message, perhaps
[08:57] <Freax> ok im going to start with this:
[08:57] <Freax> well honesty is going to get me out of this shit.
[08:57] <Freax> so ill come out with it.
[08:58] <cmel> yes
[08:58] <Freax> we also have been closed up for a few years, on our true emotions
[08:58] <cmel> either way you have things decided !!!
[08:59] <cmel> even if you'r rejected
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[08:59] <cmel> I know because I have undecided things in my life :(
[09:00] <Freax> and i complained at him not being emotional with me and he goes off! at complaining that im incapable of picking up his emotions in 'I'm an emotional wreck' because i dont go to school with him
[09:00] <cmel> try to be the bigger one and resolve this, that is if you still want him as a friend !
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[09:01] <cmel> hello onlainari
[09:03] <onlainari> hello
[09:04] <cmel> so  where are you from ?
[09:04] <onlainari> Finland
[09:05] <onlainari> how about you
[09:05] <cmel> me : denmark
[09:05] <cmel> close by hehe
[09:05] <onlainari> ok..
[09:05] <Freax> me : sydney australia
[09:05] <onlainari> yeah heh
[09:05] <cmel> ok, winter time
[09:05] <cmel> down under
[09:06] <Freax> hope i said the right things
[09:06] <cmel> why ?
[09:06] <Freax> because i do hope
[09:06] <Freax> i hope that i said the right things in his time of need
[09:06] <cmel> hope what ?
[09:06] <Freax> why wouldnt i hope that i said the right things?
[09:06] <cmel> oh ... sorry
[09:07] <Freax> im a wreck just reading his email =P
[09:07] <cmel> if you open and say whats on your mind
[09:07] <cmel> your
[09:07] <Freax> honest?
[09:07] <cmel> yep
[09:07] <Freax> non-bullshitful
[09:08] <cmel> yes
[09:08] <cmel> thats the only thing you can do, to make things better
[09:09] <cmel> at least to my expirience
[09:09] <Freax> fuck i hate my life
[09:09] <Freax> my friend hates his too
[09:10] <cmel> I cant help It I must smile ....
[09:10] * cmel smiles
[09:10] <Freax> is that honesty?
[09:10] <cmel> sorry
[09:10] <Freax> =P
[09:10] <cmel> yes
[09:10] <Freax> mmm
[09:10] <Freax> i find it all a big joke too
[09:10] <Freax> life that is
[09:11] <Freax> australia is a big joke in itself
[09:11] <Freax> but ill shut up now
[09:11] <cmel> even when I hear bad things, I can come into a situation where I just cant help it
[09:11] <cmel> no Freax
[09:11] <Freax> that must be hard
[09:12] <cmel> no, on the contrary
[09:12] <cmel> it makes it easier
[09:12] <Freax> ahh i see
[09:12] <Freax> you're just like my father =P
[09:12] <cmel> oh no
[09:12] <Freax> laugh and it makes all the pain go away
[09:12] <cmel> not all
[09:12] <cmel> but some
[09:13] <cmel> hehe
[09:13] <cmel> work on it Freax
[09:13] <Freax> ill try
[09:13] <cmel> oh by the way whats the time down under ??
[09:14] <Freax> 2:12am
[09:14] <cmel> thats late
[09:14] <Freax> yeah but it's the only time i can be online
[09:14] <Freax> things are so poor here i have to use a free isp =P
[09:14] <cmel> :)
[09:14] <Freax> broadband is fucking rediculous
[09:15] <cmel> well broadband here is expensive
[09:15] <cmel> but I have nonetheless
[09:15] <Freax> i cant get cable here
[09:15] <Freax> 2 way satellite is ludicrous
[09:16] <cmel> I live in copenhagen, so I can get everything
[09:16] <Freax> and dialup is even worse with the even worser phone line conditions
[09:16] <cmel> sorry :)
[09:16] <Freax> meh
[09:16] <cmel> what about ISDN
[09:16] <Freax> no way
[09:16] <JurAFk> 2way sat is cool
[09:16] <cmel> :(
[09:17] <cmel> but expensive
[09:17] <JurAFk> yep
[09:17] <JurAFk> my boss is paying for mine
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[09:17] <Freax> mmm 2way
[09:17] <Freax> hehe
[09:17] <cmel> haha
[09:17] <Freax> oh what fun
[09:17] <Jurian> 3777 euro
[09:17] <cmel> droool
[09:17] <cmel> haha
[09:18] <cmel> hi jurian
[09:18] <Freax> cmel
[09:18] <Freax> http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/products/
[09:18] <cmel> just a sec
[09:18] <Freax> you cant get isdn anymore
[09:19] <cmel> that would be a got alternative to dialup
[09:19] <cmel> good
[09:19] <Freax> 10gig, 1500/256 = $429 AU$
[09:19] <Freax> a month!
[09:19] <Jurian> heh, if you can get 2way sat, that's the best option :p
[09:20] <cmel> Oh damn you have to pay per MB
[09:20] <Freax> yep yep
[09:20] <cmel> I have free trafic
[09:20] <Freax> fuck
[09:20] <Freax> hehe
[09:20] <cmel> :)
[09:20] <cmel> lucky me
[09:20] <Freax> ive always wanted to emigrate
[09:20] <cmel> hehe
[09:21] <Freax> but ill emigrate to america if i really wanted to
[09:21] <cmel> but they have problems too
[09:21] <cmel> hehe
[09:21] <Freax> yeah
[09:21] <Freax> name some
[09:21] <Freax> will you?
[09:21] <cmel> we all have problems
[09:21] <cmel> some what
[09:21] <cmel> country
[09:21] <FunBot> Correct usage: .country <node>
[09:21] <FunBot>       Example: .country .CN
[09:22] <Freax> problems
[09:22] <Freax> country au
[09:22] <FunBot> Country name for .AU is AUSTRALIA
[09:22] <cmel> .country .no
[09:22] <Freax> country cn
[09:22] <FunBot> Country name for .CN is CHINA
[09:22] <Freax> country us
[09:22] <FunBot> Country name for .US is UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
[09:22] <Freax> wooo!
[09:23] <cmel> I gather FunBot comes from the United States Of America
[09:23] <Freax> mmm
[09:23] <cmel> heh
[09:23] <Freax> maybe
[09:23] <cmel> he sounds very patriotic whenever USA is mentioned
[09:23] <Freax> have you gotten shocked at those prices yet?
[09:24] <cmel> the prices are high, but I've gotten numb at those prices we have back here
[09:24] <Freax> mmm
[09:25] <Freax> look at me the poor high paying australian
[09:25] <cmel> so no reaction :(
[09:25] <Freax> look at me
[09:25] * Freax waves for attention
[09:25] <cmel> I'm looking
[09:25] <Freax> dont, im worthless and not something you would like to have as a friend
[09:26] <cmel> oh no .... not good how can that be
[09:26] <cmel> the prices
[09:26] <cmel> you're not worthless, nobody is
[09:26] <Jurian> haha, funbot dislike the usa ;p
[09:26] <Jurian> just like its owner
[09:26] <cmel> haha jurian
[09:27] <Freax> does anyone know of a program that can use 2 modems but have different isp's to provide faster dual 56k access?
[09:27] <Freax> or different accounts on the same isp
[09:28] <cmel> I've tried to find router programs on the net myself, I think it's possible
[09:28] <cmel> to find
[09:28] <Jurian> Freax: isdn channel bundling
[09:28] <cmel> he cant get isdn
[09:28] <Freax> im talking about dual 56k analog connections, you know v.90 or k56flex
[09:29] <Freax> i cant get broadband nor can i get isdn
[09:29] <cmel> yep just a sec
[09:29] <Freax> so the only other option is dual dialup
[09:29] <Jurian> I know the problem, that's why I get sat :)
[09:29] <Freax> on a free isp
[09:29] <Freax> i can afford 2 phone lines, thats about it =P
[09:29] <Jurian> hehe
[09:29] <Jurian> country .us
[09:29] <FunBot> Country name for .US is UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA
[09:29] <Jurian> good
[09:30] <Freax> hehe
[09:30] <Freax> now that's entertainment =P
[09:30] <Jurian> :D
[09:30] * Freax waits in excitement for cmel to reply
[09:30] <cmel> I'm trying to export my bookmarks
[09:30] <cmel> wait
[09:31] <Jurian> from what? IE ?
[09:31] <Freax> i searched google, but couldnt remember the keyword that i used to make a direct hit
[09:31] <Freax> what else Jurian?
[09:31] <Freax> ok
[09:31] <cmel> yep
[09:31] <Jurian> just copy the "Favorites" dir :P
[09:31] <Freax> mm
[09:31] <Freax> thats all i do
[09:31] <Freax> and zip em up
[09:31] <Jurian> exactly
[09:31] <Freax> so i can burn them to cd
[09:31] <Freax> or rar em
[09:31] <Freax> depends on the mood im in =)
[09:32] <Jurian> hehe
[09:32] <Freax> once i done it with ace and then sfx'd em
[09:32] <Freax> for a user =)
[09:32] <cmel> do you get a request ???
[09:32] <Freax> well my favirouttes is so big some people want it yeah =)
[09:33] <cmel> haha
[09:33] <Freax> ooh someone just tried to ftp me
[09:33] <Freax> was that you ?
[09:33] <cmel> yep
[09:34] <Freax> hmm well im behind a firewooly warm jumper
[09:34] <cmel> just a sec
[09:37] <cmel> so what happens ??
[09:37] <Freax> nothing
[09:37] <Freax> are you trying dcc?
[09:37] <cmel> you have ftp ?
[09:37] <Freax> no
[09:38] <Freax> are you on unix?
[09:38] <cmel> I have, just wait a sec
[09:38] <cmel> nope
[09:38] <cmel> windows
[09:38] <Freax> ok then
[09:40] <cmel> you can connect via ftp on my server  :  anonymous no pass
[09:41] <Freax> very well
[09:41] <cmel> adr 80.62.90.228
[09:41] <Freax> aww and i was going to resolve
[09:41] <cmel> port 21
[09:41] <Freax> thats the one
[09:41] <cmel> yep
[09:42] <cmel> I see you
[09:42] <Freax> bookmark.htm?
[09:42] <cmel> yep
[09:42] <Freax> ahh i see
[09:42] <cmel> you got it
[09:43] <cmel> ?
[09:43] <Freax> do you have a program for what i was looking for earlier?
[09:43] <cmel> using dual modems ??
[09:43] <Freax> yes
[09:43] <Freax> different isp account
[09:43] <cmel> closing the ftp
[09:44] <cmel> I'm not sure, if you had linux running, maybee
[09:44] <Freax> narf
[09:44] <Freax> well i did have debian on my box
[09:44] <Freax> but i was turned off by its blocking abilities of windows sharing services
[09:44] <cmel> if you had two boxes ???
[09:44] <Freax> huh?
[09:44] <Freax> two boxes?
[09:44] <Freax> no
[09:44] <Freax> one computer multiple modems
[09:45] <Freax> different isp or different isp accounts
[09:45] <cmel> then one could run the connections, one could be the working pc
[09:45] <Jurian> debian owns :p
[09:45] <Jurian> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:45] <Jurian> 55 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
[09:45] <Jurian> Need to get 12.9MB of archives. After unpacking 28.7kB will be used.
[09:45] <Jurian> :D
[09:45] <Freax> wha?
[09:45] <Freax> yes Jurian =D
[09:45] <Jurian> upgrade from stable to testing :p
[09:46] <cmel> yup jurian :p
[09:46] <cmel> the only thing I dislike about linux is .... no games
[09:46] <Freax> yes
[09:46] <Freax> i hate that point too =)
[09:47] <Freax> modem teaming is what im looking for
[09:47] <Jurian> eh?
[09:47] <Jurian> no games?
[09:47] <cmel> if there was i'd switch in a falsh
[09:47] <Freax> well not a lot Jurian =)
[09:47] <cmel> flash
[09:47] <Freax> there are the majority but not any of the classics at least without running wine
[09:47] <Freax> especially the other fact of not properly supporting the things i love
[09:47] <Freax> usb devices
[09:48] <cmel> ok can u run wc3 on linux now ?
[09:48] <Jurian> dunno :p
[09:48] <Freax> maybe you can run cs under wine
[09:48] <Freax> or rune
[09:48] <Jurian> I hate the fact that my 2way sat stuff is going to NEED a windows machine
[09:48] <Freax> but id doubt it for a while
[09:48] <cmel> I don't think you can (without knowing)
[09:48] <Freax> oh and that other fact too
[09:49] <Freax> no support for windows based hardware =)
[09:49] <Jurian> well duh
[09:49] <Jurian> windows based hardware is evil
[09:49] <Freax> again usb scanners, printers, etc
[09:49] <cmel> hehe
[09:49] <Freax> evil but cheaper =)
[09:49] <cmel> I like the evil approach
[09:49] <Jurian> and more processor intensive
[09:50] <Freax> oh well the latest things are getting off the processor
[09:51] <Freax> i can scan/print/ use 2 winmodems and play music while copying files off cdrom to hdd's on multiple ide channels and still get only 60% cpu usage
[09:51] <cmel> I like getting off (the processor)
[09:51] <Freax> hehehe
[09:51] <cmel> hehe
[09:51] <cmel> sorry
[09:52] <Freax> http://cws.internet.com/modem-midpoint.html
[09:52] <Freax> this is what i need =)
[09:52] <cmel> I need it too but, it's just too expensive
[09:52] <cmel> :(
[09:53] <Freax> need what?
[09:53] <cmel> a good router/firewall/mailserver
[09:53] <Freax> ahh right
[09:54] <cmel> but thats only because I'm online always
[09:56] <Jurian> a good router/firewall/mailserver, get a linux box? :p
[09:56] <Jurian> dump qmail on it for the mailserver stuff
[09:56] <Jurian> iptables / chains does the router / firewall part
[09:56] <cmel> ok jurian
[09:56] <cmel> a link for the firewall stuff
[09:57] <Jurian> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jurian/linux/firewall
[09:57] <Jurian> that used to be mine
[09:57] <Jurian> mine's a bit more updated atm :)
[09:57] <Freax> bbs
[09:58] <cmel> ok Freax
[09:58] <Jurian> ugh, a LOT more updated
[09:58] <cmel> see ya
[09:58] <Jurian> this is ancient
[09:58] <cmel> but thats a script jur..
[09:58] <Jurian> yes, so?
[09:58] <cmel> can a script act as a firewall ??
[09:59] <Jurian> no, but it can configure iptables (or chains), which is linux's built in firewall
[09:59] <Freax> mmm
[09:59] <Jurian> iptables is one of the most advanced firewalls there is
[10:00] <Jurian> let me put up a new version of that script
[10:00] <cmel> ok jurian, apparently you are the master here, and I'm just the apprentice :)
[10:00] * cmel bows before his master
[10:01] <Freax> teehee
[10:01] <cmel> you say when jurian
[10:01] <Jurian> hehe
[10:01] <cmel> :)
[10:02] * cmel smiles because his master told him so
[10:02] <cmel> sorry
[10:02] <Jurian> hrm, lemme fix the script first, right now it doesn't allow outbound ftp :D
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[10:02] <cmel> thats ok jurian
[10:02] <cmel> hello 3j
[10:02] * FunBot sets mode: +l 21
[10:02] <[3j]> hello
[10:03] <Freax> hi 3j
[10:03] <[3j]> whats going on
[10:03] <cmel> so whats happening
[10:03] <Freax> oh im trying to figure out a program
[10:03] <cmel> parrot land .... hehe
[10:03] <Freax> hehe
[10:03] <Freax> copy cat
[10:03] <Freax> land
[10:04] <Freax> xerox world?
[10:04] <cmel> haha
[10:04] <[3j]> what program
[10:04] <cmel> windows
[10:04] <cmel> haha
[10:04] <[3j]> hehe
[10:04] <Freax> midpoint
[10:04] <Freax> heh, no
[10:04] <Freax> boo
[10:04] <[3j]> wow 3rd saudi prince dies
[10:04] <Freax> i figured out windows when i installed it for the first time back in 1998
[10:04] <Freax> on my 486
[10:04] <[3j]> they prolly got the anthrax :\
[10:04] <cmel> you are on the news now 3j ?
[10:04] <Freax> i quickly uninstalled it and restored dos =)
[10:05] <Freax> bbs
[10:06] <cmel> bye
[10:06] <Jurian> growl! ftp protocols ux
[10:06] <Jurian> sux even
[10:06] <Jurian> stupid multiport shit
[10:06] <cmel> sorry
[10:06] <Jurian> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jurian/linux/firewall
[10:06] <Jurian> there :)
[10:06] <cmel> I shouldn't have made it then
[10:06] <Jurian> new version
[10:06] <cmel> :)
[10:07] <cmel> ok jurian ,     thx
[10:07] <Jurian> only works with kernel 2.4.* tho ! :)
[10:07] <Jurian> not 2.2.*
[10:07] <Jurian> in 2.2 you can do similar things, with ipchains
[10:07] <cmel> ok jurian, thx :)
[10:07] <Jurian> np! :)
[10:08] <cmel> I have 2.4 on my other computer anyway :=)
[10:08] <Jurian> its firewall and router in one, assuming you have 2 network interfaces
[10:08] <cmel> I have that of course
[10:09] <Jurian> just change MASQIF=eth1 to MASQIF=ppp0 or whatever your outside connection is :)
[10:09] <cmel> what about more interfaces than 2 ??
[10:09] <Jurian> doesn't matter
[10:09] <Jurian> select the one that is your outside interface
[10:09] <cmel> k jurian
[10:09] <Jurian> if there's more than one, things get complicated
[10:09] <cmel> more than one what ?
[10:10] <Jurian> outside interface
[10:10] <cmel> np :)
[10:10] <Jurian> you can only select one interface to masq stuff on
[10:10] <cmel> for me that is :)
[10:11] <Jurian> and you obviously have to tell the other computers to use that linux box as their default gateway
[10:11] <Freax> ip masqurading?
[10:11] <cmel> yep the inside ip
[10:11] <Jurian> yep
[10:11] <Jurian> ip masquerading is sexy
[10:11] <Freax> hiding your networks ip so as to prevent users from the outside word from accessing your local network when requests for outside data is sent
[10:12] <Freax> mmm
[10:12] <Freax> =)
[10:12] <cmel> if you only knew how h..ny I am right now ..... hehe
[10:12] <Jurian> its like, you use all 192.168.something.* addresses in your LAN, they will all be masked to the outside world, and all will appear to be the linux box's external IP :)
[10:13] <cmel> yep, I know the concept
[10:13] <Jurian> perfect firewall for the internal machines, no direct internet connection from outside -> inside :)
[10:13] <Freax> i try and choose not to use linux because of that problem, complications with ipmasq and 2 outgoing ifaces
[10:13] <Freax> im just lazy =)
[10:13] <Jurian> yeah, multi interface is nasty
[10:13] <cmel> me too Freax
[10:13] <Freax> and that and winmodems are cheaper =)
[10:13] <Jurian> you'll have to do lots of routing stuff
[10:13] <Jurian> not worth it on dialup
[10:14] <Freax> mm
[10:14] <cmel> in those bookmarks , there is linux stuff about using modems, cable, adsl, isdn .... and stuff
[10:15] <Freax> yeah i think ive read the majority of it one time or another
[10:15] <cmel> I gave to you :) Freax
[10:15] <Freax> nod =)
[10:15] <cmel> ok sorry I couldn't contribute
[10:15] <Freax> no problems man
[10:15] <Freax> any contribution is helpful =)
[10:15] <[3j]> i use proxies instead of masq
[10:15] <cmel> ok Freax
[10:15] <cmel> :)
[10:16] <Jurian> that works as well
[10:16] <cmel> yeah well proxies isn't the neat solution :)
[10:16] <Jurian> masqing is sexier tho :)
[10:16] <Freax> guess what version of windows im using right now
[10:16] <cmel> hehe
[10:16] <Jurian> freax: hang on
[10:17] <Freax> tick tick tick tick
[10:17] <cmel> is it 3:16 am in you'r place right now Freax
[10:17] <Freax> indeed it is
[10:18] <Freax> according to my accurate atomic clock
[10:18] <Freax> providedd by clockwise
[10:18] <cmel> yes I just needed to ajust my timer ...... hehhehe
[10:19] <Freax> well it's, 17:16 at UTC, 18:16 at london, 19:16 at paris, 20:17 at cairo, 21:17 at moscow etc etc
[10:19] <cmel> I think I've seen you at zt ?
[10:19] <Freax> maybe
[10:19] <Freax> ive been around for more than 3 months
[10:19] <cmel> :)
[10:20] <cmel> I've been around since january
[10:20] <cmel> this year
[10:20] <Freax> nice
[10:20] <Freax> bbs
[10:20] <cmel> but I've known about the zt-website since late 1998
[10:21] <cmel> go to sleep Freax
[10:22] * Jurian watches nmap working hard to figure out Freax's windows version
[10:22] <Freax> hehehe
[10:22] <Jurian> someone's running a nasty firewall :p
[10:22] <Freax> narf
[10:22] <Jurian> not getting any packets back
[10:22] <Freax> narf narf
[10:22] <Jurian> how the hell am I supposed to fingerprint you? :P
[10:22] <cmel> narf = ???
[10:23] <Jurian> turn off the fireawall :p
[10:23] <Freax> im getting an insane port scan from:  62.45.86.215
[10:23] <Jurian> hehe
[10:23] <cmel> hehe
[10:23] <Jurian> not a portscan really
[10:23] <Jurian> root@pulsar:~# nmap -O -P 0 202.7.175.54
[10:23] <Jurian> Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA33 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
[10:23] <Jurian> just an OS fingerprinter :p
[10:24] <Jurian> wont work if you're firewalled tho :P
[10:24] <Freax> hmm well its causing hundreds of alerts over a very wide range of ports
[10:24] <Jurian> 21:44:22.543619 kf-nawij-tg03-0726.dial.kabelfoon.nl.3607 > lak2-56k-054.tpgi.com.au.330: S 2758627354:2758627354(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 154040156 0,nop,wscale 0> (DF)
[10:24] <Jurian> 21:44:22.543952 kf-nawij-tg03-0726.dial.kabelfoon.nl.3608 > lak2-56k-054.tpgi.com.au.30: S 2755742108:2755742108(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 154040156 0,nop,wscale 0> (DF)
[10:24] <Jurian> 21:44:22.544277 kf-nawij-tg03-0726.dial.kabelfoon.nl.3609 > lak2-56k-054.tpgi.com.au.1551: S 2755173190:2755173190(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 154040156 0,nop,wscale 0> (DF)
[10:24] <Freax> from 30 to 3162 and higher
[10:24] <Jurian> hehe, yep
[10:24] <Freax> *** Identd request from 62.45.86.215
[10:24] <Freax> -
[10:24] <Freax> *** Identd request from 62.45.86.215
[10:25] <Freax> these ones are from you
[10:25] <Freax> these ones are from cmel
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Jurian> me? :D
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <cmel> so
[10:25] <cmel> who cares
[10:25] <Jurian> hehe :)
[10:25] <Freax> mmm who cares*** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> -
[10:25] <Freax> *** Identd request from 207.217.103.49
[10:25] <Freax> whoops
[10:25] <Freax> damn insert
[10:25] <Jurian> hehe
[10:26] <Freax> sorry
[10:26] <Freax> hehe =)
[10:26] <cmel> :)
[10:28] <cmel> so Freax whats winter like down under ?
[10:30] <[3j]> was new guinea part of australia or the dutch in ww2?
[10:30] <[3j]> ~1939
[10:30] <cmel> strange question 3j
[10:30] <cmel> why
[10:30] <cmel> ?
[10:30] <[3j]> i must know
[10:31] <[3j]> im plyaing with a game ;)
[10:31] <cmel> where are you from 3j ?
[10:31] <[3j]> where am i from ??
[10:31] <cmel> yes
[10:31] <[3j]> I've told you before
[10:31] <cmel> I'm from denmark
[10:31] <cmel> I forgot
[10:31] <cmel> sorry
[10:31] <[3j]> im from usa
[10:32] <[3j]> phoenix, az
[10:32] <cmel> I don't think so
[10:32] <cmel> I've been there 3j
[10:32] <[3j]> yes i know
[10:32] <[3j]> you wrote about it before
[10:32] <cmel> I don't think they were a part
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[10:33] <cmel> hi jeremy
[10:33] <Jeremy> hello
[10:33] <[3j]> i dont think so either
[10:33] <cmel> then make that your choice
[10:34] <[3j]> but australian appeared to have political interest all over
[10:34] <Freax> my house is on the market now
[10:34] <Freax> oh freezing cold 22degrees
[10:34] <Freax> celcius
[10:34] <[3j]> all over the dutch indie area
[10:34] <cmel> perhaps 3j, I'm not sure
[10:34] <cmel> cold = 22 degrees c.
[10:35] <[3j]> 22 celcius is not cold
[10:35] <Freax> thats in my computer
[10:35] <cmel> no just my point
[10:35] <Freax> the ambient temp outside is about 13centigrade
[10:35] <Freax> inside it's more like 20
[10:35] <cmel> now thats cool in my book
[10:35] <Freax> and ive had the oil heater on for about 2 hours earlier
[10:35] <cmel> ok freax
[10:36] <[3j]> wow oil heaters
[10:37] <[3j]> austrialia still not plugged into electricity ?!?!
[10:37] <Freax> hehe
[10:37] <Freax> it's an electric oil heater
[10:37] <Freax> and my stove is gas
[10:37] <[3j]> i heard your power outlets can kill you if you put your finger in them
[10:37] <Freax> upstairs is electric
[10:37] <Freax> a novelty item in these parts =)
[10:38] <Freax> yes you can be killed instantly from 240 ac
[10:38] <Freax> 10amps
[10:38] <[3j]> scary
[10:38] <Freax> even worse if you plug yer finger into a welders port 15amps =P
[10:38] <Freax> meh
[10:39] <Freax> bbs testing shit
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[10:40] <cmel> what if you plug you'r di.. into the outlet .... hhheeehehhehouch ?????
[10:40] <[3j]> heheheouch?
[10:40] <[3j]> you would need a very small one
[10:40] <cmel> too late 3j :)    me
[10:40] <[3j]> lol
[10:41] <cmel> I have I have
[10:41] <cmel> lol
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[10:41] <cmel> welcome Karen
[10:41] <Karen> hello
[10:42] <cmel> as you can see ... not much happening
[10:42] <cmel> :(
[10:42] <Karen> yes :)
[10:43] <[3j]> hehe
[10:43] <Karen> hum must be in private chats
[10:43] <cmel> perhaps
[10:43] <[3j]> dont think so
[10:43] <Karen> you mean you all are just sitting there waiting for someone to speak
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[10:43] <cmel> me ??? no
[10:43] <[3j]> well i have this open and other stuff too
[10:44] <cmel> hi again Freax
[10:44] <[3j]> and i got this bad habit of checking in here often
[10:44] <Freax> hi
[10:44] <cmel> hehe 3j
[10:44] <Freax> dont we all
[10:44] <Karen> I used to check in often as well till summer came
[10:44] <cmel> you couldn't sleep Freax ?
[10:44] <Karen> new people.....or just new names
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[10:45] <[3j]> i'm new to this channel
[10:45] <cmel> I've seen you before I'm sure
[10:45] <cmel> Karen
[10:45] <Karen> been here from start of Zetatalk chats
[10:45] <cmel> ok Karen ... hhhmmm what do you think ???
[10:45] <[3j]> not me, only been here since a handful of weeks
[10:46] <Karen> you mean do I think a planet is heading this way?
[10:46] <Karen> or about Zetatalk in general?
[10:46] <cmel> yes something like that :-)
[10:47] <cmel> and the second thing as well
[10:47] <onlainari> hehe
[10:47] * onlainari is new here too
[10:47] * cmel likes newbies :)
[10:47] * FunBot sets mode: +l 24
[10:48] <onlainari> yea :D
[10:48] <[3j]> onlainari, your sceptic about all zt and px?
[10:48] <onlainari> yes
[10:48] <Karen> I keep in touch with what is being said because of the track record......I also subscribe to scallion for years as well
[10:48] * cmel feels like a guru (heehehehehahhaha)
[10:49] <[3j]> hehe
[10:49] <cmel> :)
[10:50] <cmel> Karen do you believe or not ?
[10:50] <cmel> that px is going to happen ?
[10:50] <[3j]> i believe planet x might be coming, really not sure if its next year or not. The sumerian stuff is interesting though
[10:50] <Karen> I am also keeping an eye on www.nibiruancouncil.com  where they say that we can change events by waking up our consciousness     can't hurt to plan for both
[10:50] <[3j]> as for ZT, i dunno really
[10:51] <cmel> I'm doubting about zt myself
[10:51] <Karen> I don't doubt because of having some ET encounters myself
[10:51] <cmel> really ?
[10:51] <[3j]> i dont doubt that they can exist, i doubt the message
[10:52] <cmel> I only have strange and vivid dreams
[10:52] <Karen> I had a dream about a large planet but I don't know its meaning
[10:53] <Karen> So  having had this helps me to pay attention more to ZT
[10:53] <cmel> I've had a dream about seeing a meteor passing by me, while I was standing on a hilltop
[10:54] <cmel> and slamming into the ground
[10:54] <Karen> wow   what did you think of it?
[10:54] <Karen> Your first impression of the dream
[10:55] <Freax> you dont want to know what i dreamt of last night
[10:55] <cmel> well I woke up before I died, and afterwards I thought, that maybe it was my worst fears, or maybe something else ???
[10:56] <Ogmios> was 30C in finland today
[10:56] <Karen> do you keep track of your dreams
[10:56] <[3j]> few weeks ago i was usin nicotine patches.. those made my dreams real intense and real weird
[10:56] <cmel> something like that here also ogmios
[10:56] <cmel> I remember the important ones
[10:56] <Karen> here is a great website for helping you work with your dreams www.mossdreams.com
[10:57] <Ogmios> summer has been wierd..all say that..whole year actually
[10:57] <Karen> I will tell you he has an affirmation on his webpage that you say before you sleep.......buddy try it   its incredible.
[10:57] <cmel> thx Karen I'll look at i later
[10:57] <cmel> it
[10:57] <Freax> hmm i wonder what the range is on those power point phone line convertors
[10:57] <Freax> maybe i can get a connection via that
[10:58] <Karen> your welcome      Do you think summer will last longer this year?
[10:58] <cmel> ogmios, yes it has
[10:58] <Karen> I am in the US
[10:58] <cmel> I think summer will end with a bang
[10:58] <Karen> I planted a garden and I was thinking I should plant more in case summer extends in to fall could be a good home crop
[10:59] <Karen> Our neighborhood shares what we reap in our gardens
[10:59] <cmel> do you have water shortage ???
[10:59] <Karen> great practice for after PX
[11:00] <Freax> did you see that volcanic erruption off hawaii
[11:00] <cmel> no
[11:00] <Freax> well there was one
[11:00] <cmel> wasn't on cnn
[11:00] <Karen> No we don't......in fact it rained so much in the beginning I didn't get the garden in till a few weeks ago and its going strong
[11:00] <Freax> was on the local news here in sydney
[11:00] <cmel> I've had cnn on most of the day
[11:00] <Freax> channel 10 and channel 7
[11:00] <Freax> doo doo doo doo
[11:00] <Karen> me too....have on CNN and not heard a word of it
[11:01] <Freax> doo you think conspiracy?
[11:01] <cmel> hehe
[11:01] <cmel> maybe
[11:01] <Karen> Heard about Alaska earthquake and what about those whales off cape cod
[11:01] <Freax> ill see if i can grab the story
[11:01] <Freax> i heared of the whales
[11:01] <Karen> AND those squids??
[11:02] <Freax> heared of them too
[11:02] <Karen> Does anyone have any questions for next Zetatalk?
[11:02] <cmel> world nes on cnn right now
[11:02] <cmel> news
[11:02] <Karen> Do you think that the seas are stiring up something underneath or a large quake is on the way to throw them off
[11:03] <cmel> I have not read the previous zt session
[11:03] <cmel> :(
[11:03] <Karen> It was interesting
[11:03] <cmel> k karen
[11:03] <Karen> lots of q's
[11:03] <Freax> http://wwwhvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/
[11:03] <cmel> good just for once
[11:04] <Jeremy> Has anyone read my post regarding the Amtrak derailment on tt-watch. Possibly linked to earth movements
[11:04] <Freax> i heared about that too
[11:04] <Freax> you know we pay for cnn over here
[11:04] <cmel> no I'm sorry, I haven't
[11:04] <Freax> so think yourself lucky
[11:04] <Freax> they suspect it's from high tempreatures
[11:04] <Freax> it is summer there
[11:04] <Jeremy> yeah
[11:05] <cmel> yep
[11:05] <Karen> The only ones I get bored with are when people draw out wanting to know distance, speed etc.....of this planet X.  I have no way of figuring out that stuff so I stick to issues closer to ground or when I can see it
[11:05] <Freax> goto that url
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[11:05] <[3j]> need to pay cable to watch cnn here ..
[11:05] <Freax> heh
[11:05] <Freax> didnt know
[11:05] <cmel> rails bulging under heat happens in denmark too
[11:05] <Freax> we have to pay for satellite or cable here
[11:05] <Freax> to get cnn
[11:05] <Freax> $65 a month
[11:06] <[3j]> convert that to USD and its about the same here
[11:06] <cmel> we pay for cable ass well, only I don't, they forgot to shut off the signal
[11:06] <cmel> hehe
[11:06] <Freax> heh
[11:06] <Karen> No I haven't Jeremy    but it was my first thought.   There was also a large hole with a huge water spout they don't know what cused the hole
[11:06] <Freax> lucky bastard =D
[11:06] <cmel> yes bastard is the right word I think
[11:07] <cmel> haha
[11:07] <Jeremy> Karen: oh right. do you know whereabouts in the world that large hole appeared?
[11:07] <Freax> check out this product
[11:07] <Freax> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/3d46d30801c439c82740c0a87f9c06b0/Product/View/F2863
[11:07] <Karen> I do know it was in the US   and on the CNN news
[11:07] <cmel> I've heard about alot of hole like that Karen
[11:07] <Freax> you think i could buy this and be able to communicate with my friend across town?
[11:08] <Freax> probably far too much line interference
[11:08] <Jeremy> Karen: on cnn today?
[11:08] <Karen> Yes I saw it this morning
[11:08] <Freax> large hole?
[11:08] <cmel> sinkhole ??
[11:08] <Freax> i neverheared of it
[11:08] <Karen> it was under a street
[11:08] <Jeremy> ok, thanks Karen .. I'll look out for that story
[11:08] <Freax> ahh probably mine subsidance
[11:09] <cmel> anyone trying to find PX in the skies ????
[11:09] <Freax> not me
[11:10] <Karen> nope not yet
[11:10] <cmel> I'm anxious to find it, only I don't have the equipment
[11:11] <Jeremy> Nobody I know of who has come on this channel, with the exception of Jan, has a powerful enough scope to hope sighting PX at this stage
[11:11] <Karen> cmel     have you checked out www.matrixinstitute.com
[11:11] <cmel> nope not lately
[11:11] <cmel> will so later
[11:12] <Karen> Gordon Scallions website.   Now he says a pole shift is going to happen but he does not mention a planet in fact he was asked and responded that he went in to meditation and it is not a planet that is coming in although he mentions in his work about a blue star
[11:12] <Karen> The Z's comment about him in fact they did last saturday
[11:13] <Karen> that he is not 100% accurate but GOOD
[11:13] <cmel> ok Karen, I guess I have to read up on things
[11:13] <Karen> Scallion is on summer break and will resumehis newsletters in sept
[11:13] <cmel> okie dokie
[11:13] <Karen> but puts news events on his webpage
[11:15] <[3j]> karen what do you believe?
[11:15] <Karen> ?  as in
[11:15] <[3j]> about nibiru, do you really think its coming, and comes every 3600 years?
[11:16] <[3j]> and the zetas
[11:17] <Freax> if it comes every 3600 years then we would see enourmous amounts of dust in the sky and especially large amounts of toxic and acidic gases
[11:17] <Karen> I cannot say that I know.....beyond a shadow of a doubt......but I listen for how can one learn if they don't.   I believe in the Z's and not because of someone else but because of my own knowledgeX
[11:17] <Freax> from all of the volcanic erruptions
[11:17] * obaway returned ....
[11:17] <Freax> we would be in a venus like planet
[11:18] <Freax> i think it is on a decaying eliptical orbit
[11:18] <Freax> and this time it is going to hit the earth, or get close to it more than before
[11:18] <obaway> more wind here for what it seems
[11:18] <Freax> the evidence from 'global warming' suggests that its been increasing in distance to the earth
[11:18] <Freax> i think it isnt a planet at all and that it's a comet
[11:19] <Freax> much like hale bopp orbiting the sun
[11:19] <Freax> but decaying
[11:19] * Freax bows and takes a seat
[11:22] * cmel cmel shakes Freax's hand
[11:22] * Freax shakes cmel's hand in return
[11:22] <Freax> its been a pleasure
[11:22] <cmel> yes it has Freax
[11:23] <Freax> heh my 56k average speed is 2250cps
[11:23] <Freax> the average for 56k is around 5000cps
[11:23] <cmel> congratulations :)
[11:23] <Freax> Your throughput is typical of a connection speed of around 19,200bps
[11:23] <Karen> well ya'll nice talkin to you I will check in again soon
[11:23] <Freax> ok Karen
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[11:23] <Freax> mmm
[11:23] <cmel> bye Karen
[11:24] <Freax> and those dreadedd errors are fucking back
[11:24] <cmel> too late again :(
[11:24] <Freax> trey trey again
[11:24] <cmel> hehe
[11:25] <cmel> what did you think about the george michael video ???
[11:25] <Freax> whos it?
[11:25] <obaway> shoot te dog
[11:25] <cmel> yep just that
[11:25] <cmel> shoot the dog
[11:26] <cmel> I laughed :)
[11:26] * Freax understands ditto
[11:27] <cmel> you do ... really ???
[11:28] <Freax> on this discussion yes
[11:29] <cmel> No mr. Bond I expect you to die
[11:29] <cmel> cnn just said that
[11:29] <Freax> heh
[11:29] <cmel> haha
[11:29] <Freax> okay
[11:30] <cmel> hhmmm
[11:30] <cmel>  people just don't want to talk :(
[11:30] <Freax> im getting tired and pissed =)
[11:30] <cmel> sorry Freax
[11:30] <Freax> for what
[11:31] <Freax> im not pissed off
[11:31] <Freax> im just pissed =)
[11:31] <cmel> that you'r pissed
[11:31] <Freax> ahh ok
[11:31] <Jeremy> bbl
[11:31] <cmel> see you
[11:31] <Ogmios> closer px comes more ppl deny it..
[11:31] <Freax> ahh ok
[11:31] <Jeremy> bye cmel
[11:31] <cmel> bye
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[11:31] <Freax> bye
[11:32] <cmel> too late haha
[11:32] <cmel> :)
[11:32] <Freax> mm :-)
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[11:33] <cmel> Freax , you've been talking about going to sleep as well ???
[11:33] <Freax> yeah
[11:33] <Freax> im off to sleep right now =)
[11:33] <Freax> nighters!
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[11:33] <sleep-freax> signoff 4:32am
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[11:38] <Jurian> lol
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[11:52] * cmel aaawww
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[12:32] <IQx> Jurian, Angelic, obany, Motivez, Ogmios, sapphire, how are you =)
[12:32] <IQx> Hya cmel
[12:32] <Jurian> hey :)
[12:32] <cmel> hi IQx
[12:32] <Jurian> bbl, need a drink
[12:32] <Ogmios> hi IQx
[12:32] <IQx> =)
[12:32] <Ogmios> its so damn hot
[12:33] <cmel> yeah
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[13:10] <Ogmios> http://cropcircleconnector.com/2002/beaconhill/beaconhill2002a.html
[13:10] <Jurian> whehe, NWO all over it
[13:10] <Jurian> illuminati, the all-seeing eye
[13:16] <Ogmios> fake circle then :)
[13:16] <Jurian> probably
[13:26] <Ogmios> symmetric forms often.. do i see px pics
[13:26] <Ogmios> in those crop circles..
[13:43] <Angelic> tering
[13:43] <Angelic> hey jurian, alle snackbars zijn dicht hier echt weird
[13:43] <Jurian> woah, nasty
[13:44] <Angelic> afkikverschijnselen voel ik
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[14:44] <reticuli> hi all
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[15:02] <obaway> hi
[15:02] * obaway is now known as obany
[15:02] <reticuli> greetings
[15:03] <obany> i watched a movie and drank a bit pineapple juice, and 2 glasses of water
[15:03] <reticuli> was it enjoyable?
[15:03] <obany> was a hot day here
[15:03] <obany> yes it was ..
[15:03] <reticuli> not here, its cloudy
[15:03] <reticuli> as always
[15:04] <obany> it was around 30C here ... and when it's like that in the Netherlands then most of the time like today it's humid too
[15:04] <obany> not so nice
[15:05] <reticuli> 17° C  here
[15:05] <reticuli> Humidity 58%
[15:06] <obany> 17C ....that's okay ..a little warmer would be nicer i think , like 23 or so. right?
[15:06] <reticuli> sounds like w. europe has been hot lately
[15:07] <reticuli> yes, its a little cool
[15:07] <reticuli> for august!
[15:08] <reticuli> It was 35C here a couple of weeks ago
[15:08] <obany> pffff
[15:08] <reticuli> and humid!
[15:08] <obany> that ain't nice
[15:08] <reticuli> Has the weather been changing over there in the last 5 years or so?
[15:10] <obany> the summers kinda changed, and so did the winters...
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[15:10] <obany> no real winters anymore
[15:10] <Ogmios> true
[15:11] <obany> and for some weeks this summer was more like autumn, in the Netherlands ...
[15:12] <reticuli> the summer is about the same.... but the winters are really different, It used to be that you would not see the sun or blue sky for months on end. I started counting once, in 1995, to see how many days it would before I saw any blue sky... It had been raining for weeks already. I counted 63 days of no blue sky. Nowadays the sun comes out every couple of days at least in the winter
[15:12] <reticuli> much better for my moods
[15:12] <reticuli> ;)
[15:12] <obany> ogmios: did you read about the train accident... on tt-watch
[15:13] <Ogmios> yea
[15:13] <Ogmios> finland used to be colder..but getting warmer and fast
[15:14] <reticuli> better hope that gulf stream holds up
[15:14] <reticuli> otherwise... back to the cave
[15:14] <Ogmios> yes
[15:15] <Ogmios> without gulf stream,,,well same as alaska
[15:15] <reticuli> yep
[15:15] <Ogmios> northern canada
[15:15] <obany> ogmios: cold, realy cold
[15:15] <reticuli> what lattitiude is southern finland at?
[15:16] <reticuli> how about the netherlands?
[15:16] <Ogmios> hmmm let me check
[15:16] <reticuli> I think that I'm at 45n
[15:17] <obany> I am not sure of the lattitude of the Netherlands
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[15:17] <reticuli> when I went to india in july it was 51C
[15:18] <reticuli> that was years ago
[15:18] <Angelic> wow ret, did you die?
[15:18] <reticuli> almost ;)
[15:18] <obany> 51 geeeee
[15:18] <Angelic> some people work in such temperatures in saltmines
[15:19] <reticuli> I passed out at one point, no money or water... fortunately a nice sikh man saved me
[15:19] <Angelic> saltplains
[15:19] <Angelic> sikh are good folk, never had any problems with one
[15:20] <obany> type of religion, Hindiuism with some influences of the Islam as far as i know
[15:21] <reticuli> I was trying to find a bank and had been walking for hours in Delhi. The first thing I noticed is that I stopped sweating, then I got really cool, then everyhting seemed really funny, then I could not read the map anymore and eventually just fell down and passed out, I did not care what happenned
[15:21] <reticuli> My co-worker here is sikh
[15:21] <Ogmios> helsinki is 60
[15:21] <reticuli> sihks saved my ass over three times
[15:21] <Angelic> ret, say hi to him
[15:23] <Ogmios> southern finland 60-62n
[15:23] <reticuli> yeah, that could get chilly
[15:24] <reticuli> sikh co-worker "It is in our destiny to save people asses"
[15:24] <Angelic> lol
[15:24] <obany> Amsterdam lattitude if the starcalc program is right
[15:24] <obany> 52° 21' North
[15:25] <reticuli> netherlands could get downright miserable as well
[15:25] <reticuli> I suppose being near the ocean would help
[15:25] <obany> we also have the influence of the gulfstream for what i know
[15:25] <reticuli> yes
[15:25] <reticuli> for now ;)
[15:26] <Angelic> reticuli turned staunch zt devotee?
[15:26] <Angelic> what do sikh know about poleshifts, end time prophecies etc?
[15:27] <reticuli> yes, I have already purchased all the books and am donating my entire estate to the zetas... next stop wisconsin
[15:27] <reticuli> i passed your question along, I keep trying to interest him in getting on IRC
[15:28] <Angelic> irc won't walk away
[15:28] <reticuli> does zt talk about the gulfstream?
[15:28] <reticuli> I was getting that from somewhere else angelic
[15:28] <Angelic> there was a large 'mothership' sighting above wisconsin somewhere, see ufoinfo.com ufo roundup, july
[15:29] <reticuli> he's laughing at your question angelic :)
[15:29] <obany> reticuli: it does talk about the yetstream for what i know
[15:29] <Angelic> does that mean he has no answer?
[15:30] <reticuli> im awaiting his msn messenger response, I heard a hearty laugh
[15:30] <reticuli> <Angelic> what do sikh know about poleshifts, end time prophecies etc?
[15:30] <reticuli> hehe
[15:30] <reticuli> oops
[15:30] <reticuli> sorry
[15:30] <reticuli> wait
[15:30] <reticuli> Choked Monkey says:
[15:30] <reticuli> Its all about the direction that our turban points, and the angle of our Kirpan(dagger)
[15:30] <reticuli> i think he's joking ;)
[15:30] <reticuli> hehe
[15:31] <Angelic> no, but its no answer :)
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[16:24] <agentPX> i hope the movie is going to explore somes things we havent seen yet
[16:24] <agentPX> and i hope its going to have a good scenario
[16:25] <agentPX> we sure will see somes aliens in it
[16:25] <agentPX> hi m.rogers
[16:25] <Jeremy> hello agentPX
[16:25] <Jeremy> Long time no see
[16:26] <agentPX> yeah my computer at home is not working
[16:26] <Jeremy> so what PC are you using now?
[16:26] <agentPX> the one at my job :D
[16:26] <agentPX> but i have to chat "after-work"
[16:27] <Jeremy> oh
[16:27] <agentPX> did you see the new movie thats coming out next week?
[16:27] <agentPX> about cropcircles
[16:27] <Jeremy> so what is your current feelings on PX returning nowadays?
[16:27] <agentPX> http://bventertainment.go.com/movies/signs/index.html
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[16:28] <agentPX> well it didnt change
[16:28] <Jeremy> hello STO_WARRIOR
[16:28] <STO_WARRIOR> hi jeremy
[16:28] <agentPX> i still believe in pX but for next year i'm not really sure
[16:30] <Jeremy> agentPX: Do you have a survival strategy in place in case you become a believer in the coming catacylsms?
[16:31] <agentPX> Yes :-)
[16:31] <agentPX> don,t worry
[16:31] <agentPX> need to buy more food althought
[16:31] <agentPX> but if it happens i'll have time to buy somes
[16:31] <agentPX> because i read news each day
[16:32] <Jeremy> right
[16:32] <agentPX> so ill be aware of the "thing" before most of peoples
[16:33] <agentPX> hows going nancy?
[16:33] <Jeremy> yeah, I think most people aware of ZT will know if PX is returning even before the reddish cross appears
[16:33] <Jeremy> Nancy is fine
[16:33] <agentPX> yeah i agree with you
[16:34] <agentPX> the only thing i dont agree is that i'm sure the nasa is not hidding something, if its going to happen next year its going to be a surprise for them.. (we'll some of them surely heard about planetX..but..)
[16:35] <STO_WARRIOR> Nasa is a pro at hiding things
[16:35] <agentPX> sto: any example?
[16:35] <STO_WARRIOR> many things on the moon and mars that have been surpressed
[16:36] <agentPX> do you guys really think the man walked on the moon on 1969?
[16:36] <STO_WARRIOR> but a huge planet coming this way would be very hard to hide
[16:36] <agentPX> yeah
[16:37] <STO_WARRIOR> yes they made it to the moon
[16:37] <obany> acc zetatalk they made it, but the video was changed... to hide things
[16:37] <Jeremy> ZT says moon landings and fake moon video pics both occurred
[16:37] <agentPX> just look at the asteroid coming near earth in 17 years.. nasa wasnt able to keep if for them.. that why sometimes i hesitate with pX in 2oo3
[16:37] <agentPX> jeremy: make senses
[16:38] <obany> indeed Jeremy
[16:38] <STO_WARRIOR> we will know in a few months time
[16:38] <STO_WARRIOR> but i'm betting it isnt going to be here in 2003
[16:38] <agentPX> could the asteroid be Px ?
[16:38] <agentPX> would be funny..
[16:38] <STO_WARRIOR> nope
[16:38] <Jeremy> hopefully any doubts we have will be settled by the end of the year. STO
[16:39] <obany> agentpx: Nasa changed it, it won't crash ... new calculations as they say
[16:39] <STO_WARRIOR> hi obany
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[16:39] <agentPX> Jeremy: if it doesnt happen next year it wont be settled and you know it.. we r believing in PX so i guess we are going to wait for 2012 , or 2019 or whatever..
[16:40] <STO_WARRIOR> brb
[16:40] <agentPX> obany: that is bullshit to me.. probably to calm down ppl
[16:40] <Jeremy> agentPX: Funny you should mention that; I was discussing such a scenario with my friend earlier on the phone
[16:40] <agentPX> they cant calculate it for sure
[16:40] <agentPX> for right now
[16:40] <Jeremy> agentPX: I joked with him that I would talk about the asteroid in 2019 for the next 17 years :)
[16:41] <agentPX> hahahahaha
[16:42] <obany> okay not NASA who said it won't crash but astronomers .. but still .. i think Nasa i just using this story
[16:42] <obany> anyway i go now
[16:42] <obany> 1:40am here
[16:42] <agentPX> why do you see the nasa with such a red eye
[16:42] <obany> nite
[16:43] <Jeremy> night obany
[16:43] <agentPX> ok
[16:43] <agentPX> ok .. good nite welterusen, good dreams :p
[16:43] <obany> thank you
[16:44] <Jeremy> PX has not been difficult to cover up basically becuase it requires sophisticated telescopic equipment to sight
[16:45] <agentPX> how come they have been able to spot it in '83 but we didnt heard about it since then
[16:45] <Jeremy> And any earth changes it invokes can be explained global warming, periodic cycles, etc
[16:45] <Jeremy> Good question agentPX
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[16:46] <Jeremy> The IRAS satellite apparently discovered it, but non-infrared a ground based telescope has not been capable of sighting it, so far as I know, up until recently
[16:47] <agentPX> what is exactly the IRAS satellite ?  does it belong to the nasa ?
[16:47] <Jeremy> But ZT says that since PX was discovered since 1983 it has been contionously observed by various countries such as Russia, Britain and the USA
[16:49] <Jeremy> The IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) was a low orbit space telescope that could detect infrared emissions from stars or other sources in the universe
[16:49] <agentPX> does zetas give an approximation of around how much peoples know about PX for next year ?
[16:49] <agentPX> you are saying "was", do you mean it no longer exist ?
[16:49] <agentPX> and was it more powerful than hubble?
[16:49] <Jeremy> BUT from what I read about it, the Planet X was not discovered from the data extrapolated from it
[16:50] <Jeremy> IRAS was a different kind of telescope to hubble, but I don't think it was as powerful
[16:51] <agentPX> ok
[16:51] <agentPX> and does the zetas give an approximation of about how many peoples working for the gvt are aware about PX?
[16:51] <Jeremy> I'm quite certain Hubble has been able to see PX for some time
[16:52] <agentPX> well it should.. the have replace the len last year or 2 years ago..
[16:52] <Jeremy> ZT hasn't released any numeric figures about who is aware of PX in goverment agencies
[16:52] <agentPX> the=they
[16:53] <Jeremy> sorry have to flop out now, Goodnight agentPX
[16:53] <agentPX> ok :(
[16:53] <Jeremy> bye
[16:53] <agentPX> have been fun talking to ya
[16:53] <agentPX> good bye
[16:53] <Jeremy> yeah, later :)
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[17:23] <HBO> hey Iqx
[17:27] <HBO> anybody live here?
[17:29] <Ogmios> yea,,but i'm going
[17:29] <Ogmios> sleepy
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[17:31] <HBO> oh well, some other time
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[19:10] <Jenkins3d> anyone?
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[19:12] <LE_RENARD__> greetings
[19:12] <Jenkins3d> hello
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[19:19] <LE_RENARD__> chi :)
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[19:23] <Jenkins3d> Anyone like coldplay?
[19:29] <Jenkins3d> Anyone like Nancy?
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[19:37] <maryburke> hi kids
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[19:39] <Jenkins3d> HI
[19:39] <merry> hi jenkins
[19:40] <Jenkins3d> hows it going
[19:40] <merry> Is there another channel for planet x discussion?
[19:40] <merry> its really quiet here, eh?
[19:40] <Jenkins3d> not really
[19:40] <Jenkins3d> none that i know of anyway
[19:41] <merry> you catholic jenkins?
[19:41] <Jenkins3d> nope
[19:41] <Jenkins3d> are you?
[19:41] <merry> I was wondering cause I was reading a prophecy from louise star tomkiel
[19:42] <merry> she is also envisioning a pole shift with polar ice melts, floods
[19:42] <Jenkins3d> does she have a date?
[19:43] <merry> no, do you want the url for this? its a few paragraphs?
[19:43] <Jenkins3d> sure
[19:43] <merry> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/joycelist/message/25939
[19:44] <merry> where ya from?
[19:44] * merry is in minnesota
[19:44] <Jenkins3d> southern PA
[19:45] <merry> hey congrats on those coal miners.......what a story!!!
[19:45] <Jenkins3d> yeah..i wasnt here when that stuff happened though
[19:46] <Jenkins3d> but as long as the governer doesnt use this as a running thing it's good
[19:46] <merry> politicians do that I guess
[19:47] <Jenkins3d> yup..he's not planing to run but if he does he could win and thats 4 more years of a repbulican
[19:47] <merry> well, maybe only one more :-O
[19:48] <Jenkins3d> maybe
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[19:54] <merry>    
[19:54] * merry looks blankly about t
[19:54] <merry> he channel
[19:55] <merry> gad it's quiet in here
[19:55] <merry> well see ya later
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[20:40] <Jenkins3d> nooo
[20:43] <IQx> ?
[20:48] <Jenkins3d> nothiong
[20:49] <Jenkins3d> i made some deep fried twinkies today and i feal like im getting fat
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[22:07] <medfield> yup
[22:07] <medfield> high
[22:08] <medfield> who is high im high are you high yea im high
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