Session Start: Sun Sep 01 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[00:20] <Sapphire> Debunkers unite!
[00:20] <Jeremy> lol
[00:21] <Jeremy> morning Sapph
[00:21] <Sapphire> hi
[00:21] <Jeremy> how are you?
[00:21] <Sapphire> good
[00:21] <Jeremy> tired?
[00:21] <Sapphire> no, I just got up an hour ago.
[00:22] <Jeremy> it must be 12:20am where you are
[00:22] <Sapphire> yes
[00:22] <Jeremy> do you work in computers?
[00:23] <Sapphire> i can't talk about my work, yet.
[00:23] <Jeremy> ok
[00:23] <Jeremy> just wondered thats all
[00:35] <Jeremy> hmm think I'll get some cereal
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[04:10] <strikes> hey
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[04:26] <Jeremy> seen obany
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[05:00] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
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[05:21] <strikes> hey
[05:21] <strikes> wow!
[05:23] <obany> hi
[05:24] <obany> tyfoon in Korea and problems with water in Swiss
[05:24] <strikes> I am stoned and meditating
[05:24] <strikes> been meditating on how it would be like to die from getting gassed
[05:25] <obany> not a good combination being stoned and meditating...
[05:25] <strikes> I probally would knock out the entire power grid if I was dying from getting gassed
[05:27] <strikes> all from the intensity
[05:29] <obany> ?
[05:29] <strikes> yes
[05:30] <strikes> obany, I have some idea on how dying would be like
[05:33] <obany> well ?
[05:34] <strikes> I am highly self-aware
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[05:40] <strikes> extreme pain is similar to orgasm
[05:40] <strikes> dying a horrid death is essentially experiencing the dark side to its most perfect
[05:41] <strikes> service to self is itself a perfect side as it preach perfections to individual consciousness
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[05:41] <strikes> service to other is also a perfect side as it preach perfection to environment
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[05:42] <strikes> perfection is a perfect individual consciousness and environment as both are 2 seperate realities
[05:42] <Jeremy> hello
[05:42] <strikes> the 2 most basic realitities in this world is self and other
[05:43] <strikes> the very building blocks of the universe
[05:43] <strikes> remove other and there will be an infinitly small chance of experience of the world around us
[05:44] <strikes> when the other is removed, it is impossible for self to experience as self is other as in the yingyang
[05:45] <strikes> when self is removed, it is impossible for there to be a self to experience
[05:46] <Jeremy> that reminds me of Arthur Shopenhauers philosophy
[05:46] <strikes> yes
[05:46] <Jeremy> as he described in 'The World as Will and Representation'
[05:47] <strikes> I want to know what exists before that
[05:48] <jimben> great finds and space puzzles solved at cyberspaceorbit.com
[05:48] <strikes> spiritual enlightement of the masses involves in them becoming either orientated to the self or the other
[05:49] <Jeremy> yeah
[05:49] <Jeremy> ZT says the STS/STO dichotomy is accentuating as we get nearer the pole shift
[05:50] <strikes> amazing how there are 2 different parts to consciousness
[05:51] <strikes> like binary
[05:52] <strikes> but there has to be a hidden meaning to everything all
[05:52] <Jeremy> you mean the concious and subconcious?
[05:52] <strikes> why it all exists
[05:52] <strikes> not that
[05:52] <Jeremy> oh
[05:52] <strikes> I mean self and other
[05:52] <strikes> I can't seem to see why we are here
[05:53] <strikes> the only thing I get there is that everything is infinite
[05:54] <strikes> maybe the journey never ends
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[05:54] <Jeremy> do you believe in souls?
[05:55] <Jeremy> souls are generally believed to be immortal
[05:55] <strikes> yes
[05:55] <strikes> souls is the consciousness
[05:57] <strikes> well as for why planet X is going to shift this planet, it is because of the fact that the difference of consciousness to self or other is much too great
[05:57] <strikes> Greed is too heavily opposed
[05:57] <strikes> this planet would not be doomed if greed was allowed to run rampart
[05:58] <Jeremy> ?
[05:58] <Jeremy> As I understand if the world became 89% STO then earth would switch into 4th density
[05:58] <Jeremy> and avoid the pole shift
[05:59] <strikes> yes
[05:59] <strikes> that is impossible
[05:59] <Jeremy> But if greed was allowed to run rampant we'd probably destroy ourselves faster than we are doing now
[05:59] <Jeremy> But greed is not the primary reason for earths gradual course to destruction..
[05:59] <Jeremy> The population explosion and consequent need for natural resources is
[06:00] <strikes> yes
[06:00] <strikes> unfortunately, I am an STO person in a bad world
[06:01] <Jeremy> yeah, I know the feeling
[06:01] <Jeremy> strikes, you are down under right?
[06:01] <strikes> yes
[06:01] <strikes> I am actually very spiritually evolve
[06:02] <strikes> I am actually very spiritually evolved
[06:02] <Jeremy> right
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[06:03] <strikes> I believe I came here to observe
[06:03] <Jeremy> I see
[06:03] <Jeremy> hello Jim
[06:03] <jimben> hello Jeremy and peeps
[06:04] <Jeremy> where are you Jim?
[06:05] <jimben> @home
[06:05] <Jeremy> k
[06:05] <Jeremy> and in the world?
[06:05] <jimben> singapore =D
[06:05] <Jeremy> ah yes
[06:06] <Jeremy> Have you read the Safe Locs document regarding Singapore?
[06:06] <strikes> oh well
[06:06] <strikes> got to go
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[06:06] <jimben> yep..its gloomy~
[06:07] <Jeremy> the city will be washed away, and then turn very cold
[06:07] <Jeremy> :/
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[06:10] <jimbeans> got d/c..
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[06:10] <jimbeans> well Jeremy... i tried to spread the message of nibiru and aliens..my frends think i am *loony*
[06:10] <Jeremy> hey S7L
[06:10] <S7L> hi
[06:10] * S7L is reading about weak equivalence principle
[06:10] <Jeremy> or right Jim
[06:10] <S7L> and I discovered to my horror that it's been verified to one part per ten trillion accuracy
[06:11] <Jeremy> Jim: Thats why its best to wean them on to the subject by discussing PX first before aliens
[06:11] <S7L> the weak equivalence principle is about "object fall at same speed regardless of its composition"
[06:11] <jimbeans> well Jeremy..i stay on the 16th floor of my apartment...hopefully...i dun get wash away;~
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[06:12] <Jeremy> S7L: That relates to what we were discussing re the Suns gravitational speed effect on PX a few nights ago
[06:12] <S7L> yes. It is somewhat unfortunate to Nancy but not a shred of evidence exists for the gravity depending on composition
[06:13] <S7L> in fact, the opposite evidence exists, verified to astounding accuracy
[06:13] <Jeremy> yes S7L but our gravity experiments are conducted on earth
[06:13] <S7L> using the movement of Earth and Moon in space, or objects falling in different test conditions
[06:13] <Jeremy> and in orbit it is not a proper 'zero G' envrionment either
[06:14] <S7L> and there exists numerical simuilatons based on general relativity which predict positions of planets for thousands of years. The human gravity theory works.
[06:15] <Jeremy> It works but only using limited environments, we haven't tested it far enough
[06:16] <Jeremy> Any comments about yesterdays ZT session?
[06:16] <S7L> I am in fact reading about general relativity... I don't comprehend it very well yet. But I intend to get a minor verseness on the subject
[06:16] <jimbeans> hmm...i think "we" the us secret millitary may have down it
[06:18] <obany> Jeremy: i considered it a good session that's all i can say
[06:18] <Jeremy> I thought so, quite lively
[06:18] <S7L> mm, I wonder, I haven't actually checked it
[06:18] <S7L> I spent the time of entire session chatting
[06:18] <Jeremy> ah
[06:19] <Jeremy> S7L: Can you accept the notion of an equilibrium?
[06:20] <S7L> Depends on what you mean by it.
[06:20] <S7L> I rather look at the tremendous momentum of bodies in the solar system, and consider that the solar system evolves with time, very slowly, due to the excessive amount of energy cotnained in the movement of the bodies
[06:20] <Jeremy> I mean aligned particle flows of the different planets that keep the planets 'in their place'
[06:20] <S7L> the stability is end result of the energy of the system.
[06:21] <S7L> I entirely disagree with this idea. To model the locations of the planets, modelling such flows is not necessary.
[06:21] <S7L> Therefore, it seems fair to me to state that they might exist but are neglible...
[06:22] <Jeremy> The planets have elliptical orbits, which may partly be attributed to particle flows as outlined by ZT
[06:22] <Jeremy> providing you accept that notion
[06:22] <S7L> Nothing beyond the standard theory of gravitation is requried to explain the elliptical orbits.
[06:22] <Jeremy> why?
[06:23] <S7L> The theory of gravity which is of form k * 1/rČ works to produce conic sections.
[06:23] <Jeremy> hold on .. do we need to get this deep?
[06:23] <S7L> all closed orbits become elliptical with this equation (although it is to be noted taht in a complex system such as the solar system, the orbits of planets as described by Kepler evolve over time)
[06:24] <Jeremy> yes but that is OUR equation
[06:24] <Jeremy> the planets don
[06:24] <S7L> so what? The planets follow this equation within limits of measurement.
[06:24] <Jeremy> even Pluto?
[06:25] <S7L> Pluto's orbit is very difficult analytically, because it feels essentially chaotic influence of the outer bodies.
[06:26] <S7L> therefore, its orbit can't be solved through the ellipse mathematics, but that doesn't change the fact that it can still be numerically simulated to great precision with 1/rČ type gravity.
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[06:27] <Jeremy> I agree you are making a fair point, but we don't have close up observational evide of other solar systems to apply that equation too
[06:27] <S7L> to be frank, I was misleading in saying that the gravity is actually 1/rČ. It isn't, when you take general relativity into account. There are small correcting terms which come after this one.
[06:27] <Jeremy> That equation may work in our solar system, but can be confident it works in other systems?
[06:27] <S7L> Jeremy: we have other kind of observations... with no indication that GR fails for them.
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[06:28] <S7L> if anything, we receive confirmation that it is correct to some experimental limit of 5 % to 1 %, and there are cases where we observe things to happen that couldn't happen in our solar system
[06:28] <obany> mmm science discussion ??
[06:28] <S7L> yet, perfectly predicted by GR.
[06:28] <Jeremy> yes obany
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[06:29] <S7L> for instance, the orbital decay of two massive white dwarves orbitting each other is something that only GR can solve.
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[06:30] <Jeremy> wb Jim
[06:30] <Jeremy> right
[06:30] <jimben> rehi jermey
[06:31] <Jeremy> S7L: Just to recap, do you know anyone with a good telescope?
[06:32] <S7L> No.
[06:32] <Jeremy> oh
[06:32] * S7L is really excited about the prospect of observing gravitomagnetism
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[06:32] <S7L> that is something so strange and amazing for me that I just can't wait to see what comes off the experiments... should they get done
[06:33] <S7L> it's very hard to detect
[06:36] <Jeremy> feels a bit cooler here today, autumn is setting in
[06:37] <Jeremy> I wonder if anyone will try to search for PX before the 15th
[06:37] <obany> Jeremy: nice over here but ... but well the meteorlogocical summer has ended
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[06:38] <wus7l> mmmh
[06:39] <Jeremy> S7L you have reproduced
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[06:40] <Jeremy> Jim: You are an American?
[06:41] <jimben> singapore chinese
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[06:41] <Jeremy> ok
[06:43] <Jeremy> jimben: do you think a pole shift is likely next year?
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[06:43] <jimben> i hope so~..cos its driving me insane
[06:44] <Jeremy> yes .. all the waiting for it can make you anxious
[06:44] <Jeremy> Now only 8 months to go, which will pass quickly
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[06:46] <jimben> need solid evidence to show its existence to my frends..
[06:46] <Jeremy> yeah
[06:46] <Jeremy> I'm a believer, but I think most amateurs won't be capable of seeing it for a few more months
[06:47] <obany> i think earlier ... Jeremy as i mentioned before to you
[06:47] <Jeremy> I'm not so certain obany..
[06:48] <Jeremy> though I would welcome a sighting for all our sakes
[06:48] <Jeremy> better definite proof as early as possible
[06:48] <jimben> hi obany
[06:49] <Jeremy> Pluto for example, is difficult to sight and only appears as a star in amateur scopes
[06:50] <Jeremy> And Pluto was only confirmed as a planet when Clyde Tombaugh noted motion of it against star photos over several days
[06:50] <S7L> but nowadays astronomers have equipment that can pick pluto up in about 10 seconds of ccd time
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[06:50] <obany> but Jeremy: one has to keep in mind that we also have to take the swirling moons into consideration .. not only the planet so
[06:51] <Jeremy> S7L: Ok, yeah software has helped together with these GoTo controllers
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[06:51] <Jeremy> But Pluto still only appears a star
[06:52] <Jeremy> obany: yesm the apparent size of PX is bolstered by the dust tail and moons
[06:52] <S7L> depending on equipment. The Hubble camera can resolve the disc of pluto. A typical amateur astronomer equipment might only note that Pluto is larger than your average star, that's all
[06:52] <Jeremy> yes
[06:52] <S7L> but PX should appear many times the size of pluto
[06:52] <Jeremy> Now PX is much further away than Pluto, even till the end of the year
[06:53] <S7L> so it could be resolved by even modest equipment
[06:53] <S7L> and it's supposed to be so bright that only few seconds on CCD is enough to pick it up, as in the predictions since 1997
[06:53] <jimbeans> hmm..anyone reads up on paoweb.com?
[06:53] <Jeremy> no Jim
[06:53] <obany> that's from Sheldon niddle
[06:54] <Jeremy> S7L: You mean PX (your last comment)?
[06:54] <S7L> (of course, now, it's almost 100 times fainter than pluto)
[06:54] <S7L> yes.
[06:54] <jimbeans> ya..sheldon niddle sounds very true
[06:54] <S7L> at least taking what Nancy now seems to say about it
[06:54] <obany> talking about mass landing sicne .. uuh a couple of years ago and every time they happen later
[06:54] <obany> sure sure
[06:54] <jimbeans> u got sheldon,nancy,sitchin,jelaila ...px messages...~
[06:55] <Jeremy> So at 23 billion miles away, and its size being roughly the same as Uranus, what is your opinion on its viewability?
[06:55] <jimbeans> well obany...we got the issue of px for yrs too ;)
[06:55] <S7L> it should be seen immediately. It's even self-luminuous.
[06:56] <S7L> it'd be a bright radio and infrared source.
[06:56] <Jeremy> yes
[06:56] <Jeremy> but very dim, and the light has to pass through the dust tail
[06:56] <S7L> and its effect as gravity would show as great perturbations on all the orbits of the outer planets
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[06:57] <obany> Jeremy: there are some news postings about it on sci.astro by Nancy .. check http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use08312.htm
[06:57] <S7L> the dust tail would still be warm, and it would emit blackbody radiation quite above the universe's blackbody radiation
[06:57] <Jeremy> yes obany, I saw them earlier
[06:58] <Jeremy> I don't think the pertubations would be great on the outer planets given their distance away
[06:58] <Jeremy> from PX
[06:58] <Jeremy> maybe slight but not great
[06:58] <wantonace> was something spotted out there in space ?
[06:59] * S7L thinks the physics of white dwarves and neutron stars is quite amazing
[06:59] <Jeremy> no amaeteur sighting of PX yet wantonance
[06:59] <wantonace> oh ok, thanks
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[06:59] <obany>     Assuming the viewable swirl of red dust and moon
[06:59] <obany>     being 4 times the Planet X body size, the swirl
[06:59] <obany>     would be, on Sep 15, 2002:
[06:59] <obany>         3% the size of Jupiter
[06:59] <obany>         33% the size of Uranus
[06:59] <obany>         15 times the size of Pluto
[06:59] <obany>             Computed Size, by Jim
[06:59] <obany>             (http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90634.htm)
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[07:00] <Jeremy> obany are you more than 50% convinced of a mid september sighting of PX?
[07:01] <obany> Jeremy: maybe a litte later .. but not a few months later
[07:01] <Jeremy> only a few weeks and we'll see
[07:01] <obany> taling about a couple of weeks here .. yes .. Jeremy 14 days from now
[07:02] <Jeremy> I am going to ask MC a few questions if he comes on later
[07:02] <wantonace> MC is a nice guy, very pleasant to chat with, unless you're nancy
[07:03] <Jeremy> I admit he normally answers peoples queries
[07:03] <S7L> "As it happens, our Solar System sits in a ``local bubble'' with relatively little dust, and astronomers think they may have identified the remnant of the very supernova which is responsible."
[07:04] <obany> Micheal Cunningham omg okay he bevaves or try to behave
[07:04] <wantonace> he definetly has a very fixed ideas of the universe, well atleast for this solar system
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[07:04] <obany> but then on tt-watch is was posting a fake article ... not that decent of him
[07:04] <S7L> Geminga pulsar, 300 light-years from Earth.
[07:05] <wantonace> have there been solar systems that have been seen with alot of dust in them S7L?
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[07:06] <wus7l> arrrrgh. My provider *really* sucks.
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[07:08] <Jeremy> I'll catch you later in about 3 hours
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[08:25] <Keitazard> helloo
[08:25] <Keitazard> what did nancy tell yesterday?
[08:25] <Keitazard> I was too sleepy to wait her come
[08:28] <obany> well a lot ... the session lasted for about 90 minuts
[08:28] <obany> brb
[08:30] <Keitazard> hmm what were the main things
[08:30] <Keitazard> something new about px perhaps?
[08:30] <obany> also yes .. the log will be on soon ... for what inow
[08:33] <wus7l> I put it on at www.saunalahti.fi/~s7l/zt.txt
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[08:41] <froggy> I have decided, this is all a crock of you know what
[08:42] <froggy> i'm more concerned about a war
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[08:56] <Jenkins3d> !seen inkpen
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[08:56] <Jenkins3d> hmmmmmmm
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[09:26] <BC> hi jenkins..
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[09:29] <Jenkins3d> hello
[09:30] <strikes> hey
[09:31] <Jenkins3d> Not good
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[09:32] <strikes> what has been happening
[09:33] <Jenkins3d> nothing that i can think of
[09:35] <strikes> fascinated in chess this midnight hour
[09:35] <Jenkins3d> im just freezing
[09:36] <strikes> just getting over being stoned
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[10:03] <BC> hi jeremy
[10:03] <Jeremy> hello Brian
[10:04] <BC> what is new?
[10:04] <Jeremy> nothing other than yesterdays ZT I suppose
[10:05] <Jeremy> There seems to be a fair number of posts concerning chemtrails on tt-watch recently
[10:05] <BC> where do you find tt-watch??
[10:06] <Jeremy> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/
[10:06] <BC> that is not sci astro.. that is the only one i knew of
[10:07] <Jeremy> tt-watch is the main troubled times list
[10:08] <BC> can you get there thru the zeta web sit?
[10:08] <Jeremy> had its ups and downs earlier in the year but has settled down now
[10:08] <obany> here you find it http://www.zetatalk.com/thub01.htm
[10:08] <Jeremy> You can yes, but better to bookmark the URK
[10:09] <Jeremy> URL
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[10:09] <Jeremy> Saturdays IRC log is now posted on ZT
[10:09] <BC> what did you think of yesterday's session?
[10:09] <Jeremy> ok
[10:10] <BC> she double pasted when she first got on.. notice it??
[10:11] <Jeremy> yes I remember something like that
[10:11] <Jeremy> just skimming over the log now quickly
[10:11] <obany> yes, and is that a problem
[10:11] <BC> made me think twice about what the hell is going on behind the scenes
[10:11] <BC> those who cut and paste are rebuked and then she does it herself
[10:11] <obany> well BC maybe she did wrote the agenda before hand
[10:12] <BC> just like her answers maybe too???
[10:12] <obany> not the answers i am sure about that, as ther where also follow up questions etc that got answered ....
[10:13] <BC> the follow up questions are often ignored... or only briefly addressed
[10:13] <obany> well yesterday the sesesion lasted for 90 minuts so go figure
[10:13] <Jeremy> There is a limited time to answer all the followup questions
[10:14] <Jeremy> And that often leads to follow ups from follow ups
[10:14] <BC> that is not the point... she comes on and double pastes her agenda
[10:14] <BC> and she rebukes those who cut and paste
[10:14] <BC> that is a double standard
[10:15] <BC> her confusion over the Beatles in the Zeta response shows her own influence on zeta transmissions
[10:15] <BC> her responses are guided by her own bias...
[10:16] <BC> hence, bush bashing, pope bashing, and conspiracy everywhere
[10:16] <obany> she was confused with the name ...
[10:16] <obany> yeah bush is such a darling
[10:16] <BC> she is getting telepathic feed...
[10:16] <obany> and so is the pope
[10:16] <Jeremy> hehe
[10:17] <BC> she would do well to understand that the earth has a crust, mantle, and core
[10:17] <BC> the crust rides over the mantle, not the core...
[10:17] <BC> the separation of the crust from the core doesn't happen
[10:17] <QueenVee> BC: So what's your conclusion about Nancy and ZetaTalk?
[10:18] <BC> i am surprised that the zetas are that unfamiliar with the make up of the earth
[10:18] <QueenVee> what conclusion do you draw from that observation?
[10:18] <BC> my impressions are not conclusions...
[10:18] <BC> my impression is that she is STS and not STO
[10:18] <QueenVee> you draw no conclusions whatsoever from your impressions?
[10:18] <BC> that she cannot admit her mistakes.. at least on Hale Bopp
[10:19] <BC> conclusions as you would like me to express would be judgements to you
[10:19] <obany> hatestarr: stfu
[10:19] <Jeremy> Brian you are referring to the ZT IRC description of the crust separating from the core, when there is a in mantle between
[10:19] <QueenVee> what conclusion do you draw from your impression that she cannot admit her mistakes?
[10:19] <BC> let me just say i do not consider algore a starchild
[10:19] <BC> Queen, why do you think i have conclusions for that which is ongoing?
[10:20] <QueenVee> i'm trying to figure out what point you're trying to make
[10:20] <Jeremy> hatestarr? lol
[10:20] <QueenVee> so Nancy makes errors -- what about it?
[10:20] <BC> i have noticed inconsistencies in what is going on...
[10:20] <QueenVee> what does that imply?
[10:21] <QueenVee> what should we worry about?
[10:21] <Sapphire> BC: yes my impression is that if Nancy is STS, then her Zeta handlers must also be STS...
[10:21] <BC> that 100% accuracy is false
[10:21] <QueenVee> okay, i concur that nancy is not 100% accurate
[10:21] <BC> Sapphire... logical reasoning that is for sure
[10:21] <QueenVee> now what?
[10:21] <BC> get nancy to admit she is not 100% accurate...
[10:21] <QueenVee> why
[10:22] <QueenVee> to what purpose?
[10:22] <BC> she flaunts her 100% accuracy like everything she says is true
[10:22] <Jeremy> I myself believe that Nancy can't always relay ZT communication with textbook clarity, which leaves her words for intense scrutiny
[10:22] <QueenVee> so, what's the problem witht hat?
[10:22] <BC> everything the zetas say is right...
[10:22] <BC> nancy/zetas are 100% accurate is not 100% true...
[10:22] <BC> she clings to it to adhere to her client base of supporters
[10:22] <QueenVee> okay, i agree with you on that; now what would you like to see happen?
[10:23] <BC> because if she admits inaccuracy, the pieces do not fit together
[10:23] <QueenVee> how would you like nancy's zetatalk to change?
[10:23] <QueenVee> okay, the pieces don't fit together
[10:23] <QueenVee> that's our conclusion
[10:23] <BC> i would prefer to see sessions which offer more insight
[10:23] <BC> rather than religious/political bickerings which have nothing to do with PX
[10:24] <QueenVee> but if nancy doesn't have insights to offer,how can she provide them?
[10:24] <BC> let her ask the zetas...
[10:24] <QueenVee> but you don't think the zetas are accurate....
[10:25] <QueenVee> i don't know what you want here
[10:25] <QueenVee> you seem to be very unhappy with nancy and her zetatalk
[10:26] <QueenVee> do you have any practical suggestions about how she or obany or the zetas can improve things more to your liking?
[10:27] <Sapphire> Nancy doesn't take practical suggestions...only as threats.
[10:27] <QueenVee> so what good is she?
[10:28] <QueenVee> correct me if i'm wrong, but you seem to be saying that she's someone who does not convey accurate information, will not admit she's wrong, and not take practical suggestions; geez what a jerk
[10:28] <QueenVee> hard to understand why anyone comes here to listen to her
[10:29] <obany> sapph: we all kind know that you are in a war with zetatalk .. and dislike it
[10:30] <Sapphire> I just want to study it's death (conclusion)
[10:30] <QueenVee> BC: how long have you been listening to Nancy's ZetaTalk?
[10:30] <BC> since march 2002... you?
[10:31] <QueenVee> a little longer
[10:31] <BC> and you don't notice some inconsistencies?
[10:31] <BC> like when it will be visible??
[10:31] <QueenVee> yeah, i do. i've alrady said twice that i agree with you she is not 100% accurate
[10:31] <QueenVee> let's move on, shall we?
[10:31] <QueenVee> what are we to conclude from that?
[10:31] <BC> then she discredits those who question her on what she said?
[10:32] <QueenVee> yeah, she does that
[10:32] <QueenVee> now what?
[10:32] <BC> doesn't that make you think twice??
[10:32] <QueenVee> yeah, it does. and...?
[10:32] <BC> i waited for 4 months till mid summer
[10:32] <QueenVee> what do you think i should be doing about it?
[10:32] <BC> then told the sun was in the way
[10:32] <QueenVee> what conclusions do you think i should be drawing from that?
[10:33] <BC> then she trashes those who question why she said mid summer?
[10:33] <obany> BC: well wait a little longer ..and ther will be new coordinates
[10:33] <obany> hatestarrr
[10:33] <BC> then she says 9/15 new coordiantes but december will be better??
[10:33] <QueenVee> BC: why do you keep trying to convince me that nancy is inaccurate. i have already agreed with you. why are you avoiding my questions?
[10:33] <Jeremy> I'm a believer, but I can understand the frustation of some the sceptics who are eager for hard evidence
[10:33] <BC> so 9/15 comes and goes and now we have december to look forward to?
[10:33] <obany> there will be coordinates yes, i believe so ...
[10:34] <BC> coordiantes are fine.. how about a pic???
[10:34] <QueenVee> BC: wouldn't any rational person just dismiss Nancy and her predictions based on what you are saying?
[10:34] <obany> well i think there will be a pic also, several pics in fact
[10:34] <BC> she said yesterday there were no pics of PX.. what about her own she circled??
[10:35] <BC> QV... maybe PX is a little too real a possibility???
[10:35] <QueenVee> BC: clearly she just makes things up as she goes along... why do you bother with her?
[10:35] <BC> what is her source of info?
[10:35] <obany> BC: well she means pictures of others at this moment
[10:35] <obany> BC: stfu
[10:35] <BC> that is not what she typed...
[10:36] <BC> she said there are no pics of PX....
[10:36] <QueenVee> BC: why are you asking obany and jeremy to explain things that they obviously cannot explain? what are you trying to achieve?
[10:37] <BC> achieve? maybe trying to keep ahead of what is a major disaster...
[10:37] <QueenVee> what is a major disaster?
[10:37] <obany> queenvee: he is just trying to be anoying, doesn't trust the zetatalk, sees hybrids as a takeover etc
[10:37] <BC> PX and the existence thereof is not a zeta original...
[10:37] <BC> PX was known in sumerian times...
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[10:37] * FunBot sets mode: +o S7L
[10:38] <Jeremy> wb S7L
[10:38] <QueenVee> how will what you are doing keep you ahead of "a major disaster"? I don't udnerstand
[10:38] <BC> S7L.. how are you...
[10:38] <BC> QV... i keep hearing about coordinates.. lets see it then
[10:38] <S7L> hey Jeremy, BC. I'm quite well
[10:39] <BC> how about some evidence there is a PX inbound...
[10:39] <BC> this is what nancy has been saying for 7 years...
[10:39] <QueenVee> BC?
[10:39] <BC> we are 7 months away and still no pic of it..
[10:39] * Jeremy thinks almost everyone following ZT this has some belief PX will return next year, even if it is small
[10:39] <BC> just government conspiracies... vatican conspiracy...
[10:40] <QueenVee> BC: how long will you keep following zetatalk with no concrete proof before you give up on it?
[10:40] <BC> at this stage 6/1/3
[10:41] * S7L thinks the interesting stuff begins after failed appearance of PX
[10:41] <JurAFK> hehe
[10:41] <QueenVee> okay. and in the meantime, what are all your complaints about nancy achieving?
[10:41] * JurAFK is now known as Jurian
[10:41] <QueenVee> you're not going to change nancy or the zeta material with your complaints, are you?
[10:42] <Jeremy> S7L: I'm prepared to wait until late March for a sighting of PX before I 'call it a day'
[10:42] <BC> if you buy into everything she says that might be gulllible of you
[10:42] <QueenVee> i already told you that i don't buy into everything she says, what does that have to do with my question?
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[10:43] <BC> if MCunningham's density question gets answered QV, you might know more
[10:43] <QueenVee> i'm trying to figure out why someone who thinks Nancy and the zetas are too inaccurate to be trusted keeps coming here complaining about that fact.
[10:43] <BC> because I do believe in a PX...
[10:43] <QueenVee> yeah, but nancy hasn't got any information to offer you on that, right?
[10:43] <BC> though not necessarily zetas...
[10:43] <S7L> QV: Nancy is relatively charismatic, and can appear to have given an explanation, even if her explanation is rubbish
[10:43] <QueenVee> she's been proven inaccurate, right?
[10:44] <QueenVee> i've already agreed with that
[10:44] <BC> she has not admitted being anything less that 100% accurate
[10:44] <BC> that is not being honest...
[10:44] <QueenVee> i have agree over and over again that her information is inaccurate
[10:44] <BC> i am skeptical of those who are not honest...
[10:44] <QueenVee> and she's not going to admit that, bc
[10:44] <S7L> It therefore serves to point out her inaccuracies when she makes them.
[10:44] <QueenVee> is that the only reason you come here, to try and persuade nancy to admit that she's a fraud?
[10:44] * FunBot sets mode: +l 26
[10:45] * S7L already has given up on Nancy. It's the rest that I'm worried about.
[10:45] <Jurian> no, to have her admit she makes mistakes as well
[10:45] <BC> QV... time will tell...
[10:45] <QueenVee> S7L: i'm directing my questions to BC; i already know why you and Jurian are here, cause you've told me
[10:45] <Jurian> hehe
[10:45] <BC> QV.... i am not accountable to you...
[10:45] <QueenVee> clearly BC doesn't have the slightest idea why he's here
[10:46] * Jurian still believe a poleshift may happen
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[10:46] <Jurian> just not sure if it'll be 2003, and if so, if it'll be some bitch planet saying hi
[10:46] <S7L> I think a pole shift is possibility. I'm just quite certain 2003 won't work for a date
[10:46] <QueenVee> BC: I can only conclude that you come here because you like whining and complaining
[10:46] <QueenVee> and because it makes you feel real smart pointing out what everyonehere already knows
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[10:47] <QueenVee> that nancy's information is inaccurate
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[10:47] <S7L> QV: that is your favourite pet theory, isn't it?
[10:47] * Jurian feeds the pet a cookie
[10:47] <QueenVee> does someone have another one?
[10:47] <agentPX> QueenVee> which information?
[10:47] <QueenVee> cause i'm looking for another one
[10:47] <Jeremy> lol
[10:48] <QueenVee> agentPX: you'll have to ask BC
[10:48] <S7L> I personally do not care why BC comes here. I'm both interested, and feel it necessary to be here, to see if there is something that I can do well. I have a relative acquintance with physics, and I'm happy to try answer questions from physics viewpoint.
[10:48] <QueenVee> he has a long list of things that nancy has been inaccurate about
[10:48] <QueenVee> S7L: then just ignore my conversation with BC
[10:48] <agentPX> queenvee: can you give me the tt list for canada please
[10:49] <QueenVee> i'm not asking you to participate
[10:49] <QueenVee> why?
[10:49] <agentPX> geez whats your problem
[10:49] * Jeremy thinks Nancy can't always relay the ZT message with textbook grammatical clarity, which can lead to semantical debates
[10:49] <QueenVee> it's on the zetatalk site
[10:49] <agentPX> uh
[10:49] <agentPX> thx for the help
[10:50] <S7L> QV: well, I couldn't be perfectly sure if you were including me in your statement above. That is why I responded. But thanks for pointing it out in excessive clarity.
[10:50] <Jeremy> hi agentPX
[10:50] <QueenVee> clearly excessive clarity was required if you weren't sure
[10:50] <agentPX> hey jeremy is there a chat today ?
[10:50] <S7L> not at all, rather a memory that extends a few weeks back
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[10:51] <Jeremy> agentPX: yes, the room is starting to fill up
[10:51] <S7L> in there, I assumed you were asking me the same question as if from BC, and the issue was never settled, I think.
[10:51] <QueenVee> agentPX: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-canada/
[10:51] <agentPX> jeremy: great :)   how you doing by the way?
[10:51] <Jenkins3d> S7L:  who oped you?
[10:51] <QueenVee> S7L: no, you fully answered my question at the time
[10:51] <agentPX> thx qv..
[10:51] <S7L> the funbot, I think.
[10:51] <QueenVee> i have no argument with it
[10:51] <S7L> Okay. Then I close the case.
[10:51] <QueenVee> i understand it on a logical level
[10:52] * FunBot sets mode: +o Jurian
[10:52] <QueenVee> but i don't understand BC's motivations and behaviours on a logical level
[10:52] <BC> QV.. i have been coming to this chat room for months and never saw you before
[10:52] <QueenVee> so i keep asking him queestions
[10:52] <QueenVee> so?
[10:52] <QueenVee> what's that got to do with anything?
[10:52] <BC> well, you ask me why i come here.. i have been coming here for months
[10:52] <QueenVee> yeah, so?
[10:52] <BC> i know some of these people..
[10:53] <BC> i like some of these people..
[10:53] <QueenVee> did i say you hadn't?
[10:53] <agentPX> BC are you lovestar?
[10:53] <BC> i like chatting with some of these people..
[10:53] <BC> yeah... Lovestarr...
[10:53] <BC> or hatestarr as obany says...
[10:53] <Jurian> hehe
[10:53] <agentPX> i see :) hehe
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[10:53] <Jeremy> yes this room has a greater social purpose than anything else for the time being
[10:54] <QueenVee> do i have to be here for a certain period of time before i can ask you questions?
[10:54] <Jurian> exactly, this place is to talk :p
[10:54] <QueenVee> i didn't see that rule anywhere
[10:54] <Jurian> QueenVee: 5 years
[10:54] <Jurian> :p
[10:54] <Jurian> or pay funbot $5 per question
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[10:56] <Jurian> hrm, modem died? :)
[10:57] <Jenkins3d> good times...
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[10:57] <Jurian> riiiight
[10:57] <agentPX> i think he didnt want to pay :p
[10:58] <Jurian> hehehe, think so too :)
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[10:58] <agentPX> oops
[10:58] <Jurian> then again.. :)
[10:59] <Jeremy> Did anyone listen to Lu Gentile's interview with Jim McCanney regarding PX?
[10:59] <BC> what did McCanney say??
[10:59] <Jenkins3d> !op Jenkins3d
[11:00] <Jenkins3d> grr
[11:00] <S7L> Jenkins3d: you do not have enough karma :)
[11:00] <Jurian> haha :)
[11:00] <Jurian> !down
[11:00] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Jurian
[11:00] <Jenkins3d> I'll karma you
[11:00] <Jurian> !up
[11:00] <Jurian> 20:01:40 | -ChanServ- You may not use up to op yourself unless you are on the user list.  Use the op command instead.
[11:00] <Jurian> bastard
[11:00] <S7L> "oops"
[11:00] <S7L> !op Jurian
[11:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Jurian
[11:00] <S7L> oh, I should authenticate first... darn
[11:00] * S7L usually doesn't bother
[11:00] <Jurian> 20:01:56 | -> *chanserv* op #Troubled_Times jurian
[11:00] <Jurian> 20:01:56 | <S7L> !op Jurian
[11:00] <Jurian> 20:01:57 | *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Jurian
[11:00] <Jurian> 20:01:57 | -ChanServ- Opped users in #Troubled_Times.
[11:00] <Jurian> :)
[11:01] <Jeremy> BC: He subtly denounced Hazlewood, and said ZetaTalk was written off by Phil Plait, and then he went on to expose some of Plait
[11:01] <Jenkins3d> !up Jenkins3d
[11:01] <Jenkins3d> fine...i quit
[11:01] <Jurian> heh, make sure to auth at least once every 2 weeks.. or it'll dump your account :p
[11:01] <Jeremy> Plaits false assertion about Planet X
[11:01] <Jurian> !voice Jenkins3d
[11:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Jenkins3d
[11:01] <BC> Jeremy... that scoundrel...
[11:01] <Jurian> :p
[11:01] <BC> thought he was into hazelwood...
[11:01] <BC> who is Phil Plait??
[11:02] <Jeremy> But ironically Plait has got a website called 'Bad Astronomy'
[11:02] <Jenkins3d> Dr. Phil?
[11:02] <Sapphire> Hazlewood and McCanny have been book touring together
[11:02] <BC> sapphire.. i think i might have seen that at your website
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[11:02] <Jeremy> Phil Plait is a Phd astronomer who categorically says PX does not exist
[11:02] <agentPX> true
[11:02] <BC> too bad that nasa guy died... forget his name...
[11:02] <Sapphire> Plait has a debunk page of Lieder and Hazlewood
[11:02] <Jenkins3d> !op Jenkins3d
[11:03] <agentPX> would be cool if Phil joined us in a chat sometime
[11:03] <BC> what else did McCanney say??
[11:03] <Sapphire> He's on Di's discussion group
[11:03] <BC> Di who?
[11:04] <Sapphire> McCanney says PX is "coming in the back door", the Lieder is CIA trying to get everyone to look in the wrong direction.
[11:04] <BC> ah... another conspiracy point of view...
[11:04] <agentPX> lol
[11:04] <agentPX> nah
[11:04] <Sapphire> Hazlewood concurs now...
[11:04] <Jurian> hehe, that'd be nasty
[11:04] <BC> and whose coordinates will hazelwood post on 9/15...
[11:05] <Jurian> but might not be too un-realistic really :)
[11:05] <Sapphire> he'll probably parot them from Nancy...as always.
[11:05] <BC> lol... so what else is new...?
[11:05] <Jurian> hehe
[11:05] <agentPX> wonder if nancy coords will be accurate...
[11:05] <BC> they never vary by that much...
[11:05] <Jurian> it'd be mad funny if something is actually on nancy's new coords :p
[11:05] <Jurian> not likely
[11:05] <Jurian> but funny :)
[11:05] <BC> cunningham has looked at least....
[11:06] <BC> Jurian... run for the hills..:)
[11:06] <Jurian> bc: no need, already there :)
[11:06] <BC> lol.. preparing to stock up food soon..slowly..:)
[11:06] <Jeremy> I think McCanney doesn't deny PX will return in the 2003 in the Lou Gentile interview, but apparently he said it wouldn't in the Planet X video
[11:07] <BC> makes you wonder what the hell is really going on...
[11:07] <Jurian> stockpiling food is pretty normal here, for in the winters
[11:07] <BC> where are you juridian man??
[11:07] <Jurian> so no real problem with people looking funny at you if you buy a mad amount of food
[11:07] <Sapphire> Deliberate confusion is occurring.
[11:07] <Jurian> sweden at the moment
[11:07] <agentPX> do you think nancy is going to give the new coords in the september 14 chat or we'll have to wait september 21 ?
[11:07] <BC> sapphire.. you got that right...
[11:07] <BC> something honestly might be up and heading our way..:)
[11:07] <Jenkins3d> does she give a reason for not posting them now?
[11:08] <Sapphire> That's how all of them with a stake in this story are perpetuating it
[11:08] <agentPX> the zetas don't want to give her i think
[11:08] <BC> nancy gives coord 9/15, not seen, no new coords till december??
[11:08] <BC> McCanney seems to be paving his own escape route...
[11:08] <Sapphire> I'm also now a low-paid stooge of the CIA/NASA
[11:08] <Sapphire> according to Mark
[11:08] <Jenkins3d> I thought the zetas were nice aliens
[11:09] <BC> sapphire... find the culprits yet??
[11:09] <obany> BC: doesn't work like that just look yesterday's log
[11:09] <Jurian> Sapphire: hmm, so, what's a CIA/NASA stooge like you make? :)
[11:09] <Sapphire> that's what I wanted to ask Mark.  So, I can see if I'm getting ripped...
[11:09] <agentPX> NancyL) I've got the coords for 9/15 but am waiting ...
[11:09] <agentPX> so she don't want to give it now
[11:09] <Jurian> Sapphire: hehe
[11:09] <BC> obany, when 9/15 coordinates prove no sighting then what?
[11:10] <Jenkins3d> Nancy will make something up
[11:10] <BC> big city lights..:)
[11:10] <BC> hollywood hills..:)
[11:10] <Jeremy> BC: It all depends on how many amateurs are looking for it, and what calibre equipment they use of course
[11:11] <BC> damn Jeremy, a pic would be nice...
[11:11] <BC> but it is too soon....
[11:11] <Jenkins3d> has anyone tried to contact a student at some college with a nice observatory
[11:11] <BC> Sapphire... so you and Nancy are CIA...??
[11:11] <Jeremy> Jan and MC have good Meade LX telescopes that should be adequate
[11:11] <Jenkins3d> and get them to do it
[11:11] <BC> MC has a 10" meade not sure of model...
[11:12] <Jeremy> LX50 I think
[11:12] <Jeremy> Jan has an LX200
[11:12] <BC> sounds decent enough but... whoa...LX200.. that should do it..
[11:13] <agentPX> he didnt see anything yet
[11:13] <agentPX> maybe with the 09/15 coords..
[11:13] <BC> what about all the april/may coords??
[11:14] <agentPX> lol
[11:14] <Jeremy> Well those were observatory coordinates
[11:14] <Jenkins3d> and why dont the zetas just take a picture of this damn thing from their space ship and give it to nancy
[11:14] <Jeremy> And most people didn't visit an observatory to attempt a sighting
[11:15] <Jeremy> Steve did, and I believe in his sincerity
[11:15] <agentPX> cells are suppose to not work anymore in january so i hope you dont plan to buy one soon
[11:15] <BC> lol... i had a worldcom plan...
[11:15] <BC> still works too...:))
[11:15] <Sapphire> BC: Mark uses "DISINFO CREW" to label anyone who inconveniences him.  Even the postman is CIA is the mail is an hour late...
[11:15] <Sapphire> lol
[11:15] <Jeremy> I don't own a mobile (cell phone)
[11:16] <Jenkins3d> Will Directv stop working too?
[11:16] <Jurian> heh, I have a mobile, but almost never use it
[11:16] <BC> Sapphire... that guy is a scumbag to the max....
[11:16] <Jurian> Jenkins3d: heh, it'd better not!
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[11:16] <BC> my impression was McCanney knew some science...
[11:16] <Ogmios> hi
[11:16] <agentPX> <Jurian> if PX is seen , sell it fast :)
[11:16] <Jurian> cause that'd mean direcPC will stop working as well :p
[11:16] <Sapphire> BC: I was surprised that his girlfriend is a clone of him...
[11:16] <BC> lol...
[11:16] <Jurian> agentPX: nah, its not worth that much
[11:16] <Jenkins3d> they dont call it DirecPc anymore
[11:16] <BC> self sex??
[11:16] <Sapphire> You ussually don't find two of them together.
[11:17] <Jenkins3d> it's direct Way
[11:17] <Jurian> Jenkins3d: I know, direcway :p
[11:17] <Jurian> ugh, I know :D
[11:17] <Jurian> how do you think I'm connected to the net? :p
[11:17] * Jurian pets his direcway SRS system
[11:17] <Jeremy> The weather will complicate a sighting of PX too; particualry here in England where it is often cloudy
[11:17] <BC> sapphire... nancy did the work and got ripped, but he is not bound by zetas
[11:17] <Jenkins3d> Whats the speed like on that?
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[11:18] <Sapphire> BC: right, and he was shrewd...as the Zetas can't show up in court.
[11:18] <Jurian> download speed is quite OK, 55 kByte/sec
[11:18] <BC> but hazelwood has 0 credentials to support his conclusions...
[11:18] <Jurian> upload depends on the protocol used, email is pretty fast, ftp is slow as hell
[11:18] <agentPX> Jeremy : we have a very nice summer here in Canada, not many clouds
[11:18] <BC> why can't nancy sue him???
[11:18] <BC> the site is trade marked??
[11:18] <agentPX> hope we can see something
[11:18] <Jeremy> agentPX: Yeah, I expect viewing conditions are better in N.America
[11:18] <Sapphire> BC: He's not using her trademark.
[11:18] <BC> he plagiarized her
[11:19] <Sapphire> BC: He picks and chooses from her material.
[11:19] <BC> how do his news shows go??
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[11:19] <BC> he doesn't have the science or zetas to fall back on??
[11:19] <Jenkins3d> and if nancy doesent have a registered copyrighs she cant do anything
[11:19] <BC> 20 au binary star???
[11:20] <BC> i would have thought nancy had recourse thru plagiarism...
[11:20] <Jenkins3d> Did he copy the stuff word for word?
[11:20] <Jeremy> It seems to me that amatueurs hoping to sight PX at the ZT coordinates will need computerised controllers for their scopes to ensure a precise aim at the sky
[11:20] <Sapphire> BC: yes, eventually she could get money from him...but she has to front the money for the legal expenses first...and it would take couple of years or more...
[11:21] <BC> so what is the rush..:)))
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[11:21] * Jeremy goes to the kitchen to refill his glass
[11:21] <BC> hazelwood really better hang low next june...:)
[11:21] <Sapphire> BC:  And since Nancy believes what Zetas tell her, and Mark doesn't...Mark has the legal advantage.
[11:21] <Jenkins3d> DID he copy it word for word???
[11:22] <BC> Sapphire... of course i would side with nancy on this but mark has 0 faith is surprising...
[11:22] <BC> he is that greedy.. that low down....
[11:22] <vamp> he just took all her info
[11:22] <vamp> and made his own version out of it ?
[11:22] <Sapphire> Mark is a cash register in a human body
[11:22] <Jeremy> hehe
[11:22] <BC> people like that don't make it for too long..:))
[11:22] <Jenkins3d> well if he did that it's not really plagerisim
[11:23] <vamp> bgates stole ibm shit
[11:23] <BC> sapphire and juridian man and other CIA types take him out
[11:23] <vamp> and what became of him
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[11:23] <Jenkins3d> but IBM gave it to him
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[11:23] <Jenkins3d> they let him uses their stuff
[11:23] <BC> bill gates just plays xbox all day long...
[11:23] <Jenkins3d> and he took advantage of it
[11:23] <vamp> yea well he fucked them up
[11:23] <Jeremy> hi wantonace
[11:23] <Sapphire> Hazlewood types tend to get into trouble with the IRS...and the federal courts end up taking them out.
[11:24] <wantonace> hi jeremy
[11:24] <vamp> how
[11:24] <vamp> does he tend to get in trouble with them?
[11:24] <BC> Sapphire... that must be why he incorporated...
[11:24] <vamp> doesnt wanna ay taxes?
[11:24] <Sapphire> BC: you don't think that Mark H would be honest with the government when dollars are at stake?
[11:24] <BC> sapphire.. he is looking to buy a house in NE ariz or something
[11:24] <vamp> i think hes jewish
[11:24] <vamp> only jews work lkkethat
[11:25] <wantonace> holy crap
[11:25] <BC> sapphire.. we have budget deficits and need as much tax revenue as possible...
[11:25] <Sapphire> Mark H is a lot like Hoagland.
[11:25] <BC> hazelwood will be bankrupt this time next year..:))
[11:25] <wantonace> yes lets all be slaves to our government
[11:25] <vamp> sure won't
[11:25] <Jenkins3d> budget deficit? We are bankrupt
[11:25] <vamp> hes a smart guy
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[11:26] <BC> you're right there jenkins...
[11:26] <BC> sapphire... what is up with Richard C...
[11:26] <Jenkins3d> no amount of taxes can pull the U.S. out of the hole they dug
[11:26] <BC> only the Federal Reserve Board...
[11:26] <vamp> did hazelwood aquire any of his data, from other source than
[11:26] <vamp> zeta talk
[11:26] <vamp> ?
[11:26] <wantonace> sounds like a damn good reason for war
[11:27] <BC> sitchin....
[11:27] <BC> hopi indians..
[11:27] <BC> bible...
[11:27] <vamp> oh
[11:27] <BC> nancy
[11:27] <Jurian> wantonace: hehe, yeah
[11:27] <Jurian> "oh, not enough money, lets start a war!"
[11:27] <Sapphire> BC: Hoagland started with Moon artifacts, sold videos and books...then moved onto Mars artifacts, sold videos and books...then went on to Egyptian/Masonic/Conspiracy artifacts...
[11:27] <vamp> what war are you talking about
[11:27] <vamp> ?
[11:28] <Jurian> the us govt are like the ferengi in star trek..
[11:28] <Jurian> "War is good for business"
[11:28] <Jenkins3d> Iraq
[11:28] <Sapphire> BC: Mark H wants to follow in his footsteps.
[11:28] <BC> sapphire... to think he worked for walter cronkite...
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[11:28] * Jurian slaps bush with a copy of the rules of acquisition
[11:28] <vamp> acquistiton
[11:28] <vamp> what ist hat ?
[11:28] <Sapphire> BC: He barely knew the man.
[11:28] <Jenkins3d> www.dictionary.com
[11:28] <Jurian> acquisition
[11:28] * Jurian can't type
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[11:29] <vamp> shhh jenkins
[11:29] <Jurian> http://www.psiphi.org/DS9/rules.html :p
[11:29] <Jurian> read it, some are pretty funny :)
[11:29] <BC> Sapphire: you think hazelwood believes any of it at all???
[11:29] <vamp> what are those about
[11:29] <vamp> ?
[11:29] <Jurian> never watched star trek ? :)
[11:30] <Sapphire> BC: NOPE, not for a second.  Mark saw dollar potential in ZT and was shocked that Nancy wasn't exploiting her site.
[11:30] <BC> but how could he go on tour and seminars???
[11:31] <Sapphire> BC:  He sent Nancy an email asking to make a deal to split future book profits by 50 percent in exchange for ZT support of Mark and first use of material.
[11:31] <Sapphire> BC:  Nancy told him to get lost.
[11:31] <BC> good for nancy.. maybe i ought to lighten up against her...
[11:31] <vamp> yup
[11:31] <vamp> now
[11:31] <vamp> hes rich
[11:31] <vamp> she is pooor
[11:31] <vamp> end of argument
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[11:31] <vamp> end of following*
[11:31] <Jenkins3d> He isnt rich
[11:32] <Jenkins3d> how much money do you think someone can make with this?
[11:32] <butch> hello all
[11:32] <BC> i don't think he is rich either...
[11:32] <vamp> a lot
[11:32] <Sapphire> Jenkins3d:  If a group of people played this PX thing right, there could be profits into the 6 figures, no problem.
[11:33] <Jenkins3d> I bet he has a job other than this to support himself
[11:33] <vamp> i bet he doesn't
[11:33] <wantonace> sitchin got rich selling his books
[11:33] <Sapphire> Mark used to work at a Blockbuster video store...I don't know about now.
[11:33] <wantonace> but he's a scholar
[11:33] <BC> sitching streches things a bit...
[11:33] <vamp> i hate people who change their mind
[11:33] <vamp> like jason mortell
[11:34] <BC> mortell got strong armed??
[11:34] <agentPX> dont you think only idiot dont change mind?
[11:34] <BC> maybe CIA agents paid him a visit...
[11:34] <vamp> yea
[11:34] <vamp> thats what i though
[11:35] <vamp>  2 theories
[11:35] <BC> or MIB...
[11:35] <vamp> "we will pay you money if you change the date"
[11:35] <vamp> 2)
[11:35] <vamp> "we will kill you if you don't"
[11:35] <BC> we will get rid of you if you don't
[11:35] <BC> right vamp
[11:35] <vamp> cause iknow how government
[11:35] <vamp> plays
[11:35] <Jenkins3d> come on...the govmt. is showing no signs of anything like that
[11:35] <Sapphire> You know, Mark H even admited that he is working on a second book with Cindy Preville...
[11:35] <vamp> well if this thing is allt rue, then you have to realize than its most important thing in the world
[11:35] <vamp> and the government woudl do anything to keep it
[11:36] <vamp> under the table
[11:36] <BC> Sapphire... what is that one going to be about??
[11:36] <Sapphire> BC:  He didn't say...but my guess is that he is going to be moving this thing into the 2012 zone...if you get my drift.
[11:36] <Jeremy> obany: are you there?
[11:37] <agentPX> no
[11:37] <agentPX> he is not
[11:37] <BC> sapphire... the more conventional date of things...
[11:37] <agentPX> must not be far althought
[11:37] <Sapphire> things are being "primed" now for 2012.
[11:37] <BC> but sapph, he gets a lot of email to confirm PX in 03...
[11:37] <Jenkins3d> that date makes alot more sense
[11:38] <agentPX> ah the mayans date
[11:38] <BC> well, at least bush won't be in office...
[11:38] <vamp> yea
[11:38] <vamp> and mayans are known for their accuracy
[11:38] <BC> maybe Jeb...
[11:38] <Jenkins3d> NO
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[11:38] <vamp> by then, we'l all kill ourselves
[11:38] <Sapphire> BC: right, he makes up a lot of email concerning 2003, however, he has made several statements that "well, this thing could actually be a few years down the road".
[11:38] <vamp> no point of knowing
[11:38] <Jenkins3d> No more bush's
[11:38] <vamp> i hate bush
[11:38] <vamp> he cheate his way into the office
[11:38] <vamp> ggrrrrr
[11:38] <vamp> the terrorist
[11:38] <BC> sapphire, for the people who read his bood and took it seriously he will have some explaining to do...
[11:38] <vamp> is in white house throne
[11:39] <vamp> if bush didn't get into the office
[11:39] <wantonace> anyone believe in the theory and validity of reverse speech?  if so maybe would should get david john oats the discoverer of it to check out hazzelwood
[11:39] <BC> vamp... not entirely true
[11:39] <Jenkins3d> If you really want to piss somone off tell them the Sept 11 stuf would not have happened if Al Gore was the president
[11:39] <vamp> we would never have any of the 'terror atacks'
[11:39] <Sapphire> BC:  Mark is shrewd, if you check his corporation, he has got Preville listed in all the positions of authority.
[11:39] <vamp> lOl
[11:39] <vamp> yea he gets pissed
[11:39] <vamp> when he talks back to meida
[11:40] <vamp> like he got really red
[11:40] <vamp> that last time with the letter shit
[11:40] <BC> sapphire, that is nothing new.. it is small...
[11:40] <BC> she is his live in bitch...
[11:40] <Sapphire> BC: legally, he is going to have her take the fall.
[11:40] <BC> exactly...
[11:40] <Jurian> There's nothing wrong with charity... as long as it winds up in your pocket
[11:41] <Jurian> MUHAHAHHAHA :D
[11:41] <BC> but he gets the money...
[11:41] <vamp> charity lol
[11:41] <BC> doles it off to her...
[11:41] <vamp> like the way red cross colleted 400 million
[11:41] <Jurian> 162.
[11:41] <Jurian>  Even in the worst of times, someone turns a profit
[11:41] <vamp> after septmebr 11
[11:41] <vamp> they paid off media to stay quiet
[11:41] <Jurian> hehe
[11:41] <vamp> and they took all the money
[11:41] <vamp> and americans are not bright enough to even
[11:41] <vamp> remember that money was colleced
[11:41] <Jurian> hehe
[11:41] <vamp> i mean its so obvious and simple
[11:42] <vamp> don't have tgo be a sitchin to figure it out
[11:42] <vamp> but people only know wahts on tv
[11:42] <vamp> dont think outside that box
[11:42] <Jenkins3d> www.whatreallyhappened.com
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[11:43] <Jurian> Everything is for sale, except fate
[11:43] <Ogmios> http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/eit/images/Sun_and_earth.jpg
[11:43] <Jurian> hehe
[11:43] <wantonace> awesome pic
[11:44] <Ogmios> :)
[11:44] <vamp> we need
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[11:44] * FunBot sets mode: +o obany
[11:44] <vamp> revolution
[11:44] <Jurian> No good deed ever goes unpunished.
[11:44] <Jurian> :)
[11:44] <wantonace> our sun could really screw us up one of these days
[11:44] <vamp> so
[11:44] <Jurian> wantonace: doubtfull
[11:44] <vamp> who belives its 2003 ,the date of arrival ?
[11:44] <vamp> press 1
[11:44] <Jurian> it hasn't done so in millions of years
[11:45] <Jurian> (and enter)
[11:45] <Jurian> :p
[11:45] <Jenkins3d> 1
[11:45] <vamp> ok
[11:45] <Jenkins3d> wait...no
[11:45] <Jurian> 0.5
[11:45] <S7L> the Sun is completely tasked by trying to keep itself from collapsing into singularity by its radiation
[11:45] <vamp> if i have more conveincing reasont o believe
[11:45] <vamp> that its gonna get here
[11:45] <Jurian> I believe it is possible, but not likely
[11:45] <Jenkins3d> i didnt read the first part
[11:45] <vamp> BEFORE JANUARY
[11:45] <vamp> ME and people will send out
[11:45] <vamp> spam to millions of internet users
[11:45] <vamp> warning them about whats happening
[11:45] <vamp> so people know andi  mess up
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[11:45] <vamp> the grand conspiracy
[11:45] <S7L> it's stable and predictable, excluding the coronal blasts and other mischief that sometimes occur
[11:45] <obany> Jurian: what more do you need then ?
[11:46] <vamp> everyones gonna know
[11:46] <Jurian> obany: uh, proof would be nice?
[11:46] <BC> hey Pott!!!
[11:46] <Pott> Hey
[11:46] <wantonace> yes proof is taking a long time to show itself
[11:46] <vamp> a y ear ago nancy said there woul dbe
[11:46] <Jeremy> long time no see Pott
[11:46] <vamp> climate changes
[11:46] <BC> Pott.. haven't seen you since you were booted from nancys chat
[11:46] <Pott> Proof is in the eyes of the beholder.
[11:46] <vamp> so there are
[11:47] <vamp> Pottom
[11:47] <Pott> Nancy is scared of me.
[11:47] <vamp> the skeptic ?
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[11:47] <vamp> and ur friends
[11:47] <BC> Pott... not scared of you, she doesn't like you...
[11:47] <vamp> agent_Y and X
[11:47] <Jenkins3d> Vapm: zetatalk is a pretty popular site, you dont have to spam millions of people
[11:47] <vamp> yea i do
[11:47] <Jurian> no you don't
[11:47] <vamp> its popular but no one i know
[11:47] <vamp> knows about it
[11:47] <Jurian> people who spam need to have EVERY bone in their body broken
[11:47] <wantonace> sounds like my websites
[11:47] * FunBot sets mode: +l 32
[11:47] <wantonace> lol
[11:48] <Pott> BC: She gives real special attention to IMO hehehe
[11:48] <Jurian> NO mercy for spammers
[11:48] <vamp> it would be a good
[11:48] <vamp> spam
[11:48] <Pott> Me she can't even deal with.
[11:48] <vamp> not a fraud
[11:48] <vamp> fool.
[11:48] <Jurian> spam is never good
[11:48] <BC> lol Pott... you give her too much grief...
[11:48] <Jenkins3d> Well it's more popular than: The back street boys web site, News Week, UPN, The Wb and stuff
[11:48] <vamp> its not like im gonna put a link on bottom to porn site
[11:48] <vamp> what is the hit counter
[11:48] <Jurian> unsolicited email is still unsolicited
[11:48] <Jurian> and still spam
[11:48] <vamp> on zeta talk ?
[11:48] <Jurian> and still VERY goddamned annoying
[11:48] <wantonace> make it my porn site pls.
[11:48] <wantonace> if you change your mind
[11:48] <Jurian> and don't call me a fool
[11:48] <vamp> omg
[11:49] <vamp> YOU ARE A FOOL.
[11:49] <vamp> i'm not gonna apologize
[11:49] <vamp> ban me if you want
[11:49] <Pott> She preys on fear.
[11:49] <wantonace> like christianity
[11:49] <Jurian> you are a retard
[11:49] <Jurian> spam me, and I will sue your ass off
[11:49] <Pott> Exploiting peoples fears in her favour.
[11:49] <Jenkins3d> right Jurian
[11:49] <Pott> Offering false hopes.
[11:49] <vamp> i see no
[11:49] <vamp> fear in planet x
[11:50] <vamp> and renewal of world
[11:50] <vamp> i see hope
[11:50] <wantonace> i see a brave new world
[11:50] <Pott> You really think a true martyer would induce fear?
[11:50] <Jenkins3d> How about we just say it's a nice story
[11:50] <vamp> the hope is , the isreal will be gone
[11:50] <vamp> and we can be happy again
[11:50] <wantonace> where humans hunt zetans for pleasure
[11:50] <vamp> :D
[11:50] <Jenkins3d> and would have been better as a movie
[11:50] <vamp> TUROK
[11:50] <vamp> :4
[11:50] <obany> especialy those stupid spammers who use your email adress . to send spam
[11:50] <vamp> the zeta hunter
[11:50] <Jurian> I hope the USA and middle east will be gone
[11:50] <obany> idiots
[11:50] <Jenkins3d> Nancy said you cant kill zeyas
[11:51] <Pott> Nancy is wacked though.
[11:51] <wantonace> that should tell everyone something
[11:51] <vamp> what if someone cut nancy in half and inside
[11:51] <vamp> ther ewoul dbe a big nasty
[11:51] <vamp> alien
[11:51] <Jenkins3d> Well i wouldnt want to kill one
[11:51] <BC> Pott..... nancy will go down in history...!!
[11:51] <Pott> She really needs to relax and take a prozac.
[11:51] <Jurian> ugh
[11:51] <wantonace> anything thats alive and physical can be made not alive
[11:51] <Jurian> you're really starting to get boring
[11:52] <Jurian> wantonace: yes, if you have the means for it
[11:52] <Jenkins3d> OK,lets get  Zetatalk into the top 10,000 web sites then
[11:52] <Jenkins3d> we can throw zetatalk partys
[11:52] <wantonace> im never going to think zetas, godlike
[11:52] <Pott> wantonance: Even dead it is still physical perhaps death is simply the transition between "the configuration of a life form".
[11:52] <Jurian> but just like a single ant has no chance of killing a human, we might very well not have a chance of killing zeta's
[11:53] <Jurian> that is not to say they're godlike
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[11:53] <Jurian> they might have bodyarmour, or something, that we cannot penetrate
[11:53] <Pott> Nancy makes em look like gods everything and all.
[11:53] <Jurian> does she?
[11:53] <Pott> As if they should be the devine focus of everyone.
[11:53] <Pott> BS
[11:54] * Jurian doesn't the she does that
[11:54] <BC> Pott... now calm down.. the zetas are your friends..
[11:54] <BC> Pott, you will reincarnate as a hybrid...
[11:54] <Pott> hehehehe by assimilating our species.
[11:54] <BC> no more humans...
[11:54] <BC> only hybrids...
[11:55] <BC> one nation/ under zeta...
[11:55] <Jenkins3d> I herd about a video where some people were in a house and they saw some weird lighs and herd something on the room and this guy got a gun out and started shooting and an alien fell off the roof and they went outside and there was another one and they chased it into the woods
[11:55] <Jurian> We are the zeta's. You will be assimilated. We will add your technological and biological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.
[11:55] <Pott> Whats the point? Thats like being given evolution on a silver platter.
[11:55] <Jurian> I tend to agree with you there, pott :)
[11:55] <Pott> Absolutely no challange.
[11:55] <BC> Juridian man... where is Lilly when you need her??
[11:55] <Jenkins3d> Well humand have pretty much stoped evolution
[11:55] <Jurian> bc: right here, under my desk!
[11:56] <Pott> It's quite evident in nature challange is the driving force.
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[11:56] <Pott> Only the strong survive.
[11:56] <BC> Juridian man... i need a spacecraft to get there where you are...
[11:56] <wantonace> its our bloody planet damn it and they will do as we say...period
[11:57] <BC> wanton... we are under zeta control now..
[11:57] <BC> earth final conflict...
[11:57] * obany is a atavus btw :P
[11:57] <Jenkins3d> good show
[11:57] <Jurian> I wanna see efc season 5, damnit :)
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[11:57] <BC> lol...
[11:57] <Pott> I'm certain that the aliens out there do have in place policies that deal with evoloving worlds.
[11:57] <Jenkins3d> I remember when it was on FOX
[11:57] <BC> Jurian.. already aired over here...
[11:58] <Jurian> I don't care if it sucks, I want to see sandoval die :p
[11:58] <BC> Pott.. the council of worlds is taking on the galactic federation..
[11:58] <Jenkins3d> wait, that was earth 2
[11:58] <Pott> Those policies I would think would be based directly upon non-interference.
[11:58] <wantonace> red dwarf...anyone like that series from england?
[11:58] <BC> Pott.. the zetas are cheaters...
[11:58] <Jenkins3d> is that on BBC america?
[11:58] <Jurian> red dwarf is GOD :p
[11:58] <wantonace> dont think so
[11:59] <wantonace> i enjoyed it very much
[11:59] <Jenkins3d> damn...i saw a promo for it and it looked good
[11:59] <wantonace> and the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
[11:59] <Pott> If we can hold such values as non-interference i'm sure those same values would be held by others.
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[11:59] <BC> Pott... they are cheating on their policies...
[12:00] <Jenkins3d> No other alien races are warning us about Zeta rule
[12:00] <BC> zetas move in on earth and others will take them out
[12:00] <Pott> I doubt it is even happening.
[12:00] <Jurian> zeta's are like the taelons? :)
[12:01] <Pott> Most of what is believed known in the UFO community is garbage.
[12:01] <Jenkins3d> But it is odd that there are so many similar sources
[12:01] <Jenkins3d> so many people saying the same thing
[12:01] <Jenkins3d> they claim they get it from their aliens
[12:02] <Pott> Most likely BS.
[12:02] <Jurian> ITS COLD OUTSIDE, THERE'S NO KIND OF ATMOSPHERE, I'M ALL ALONE, MORE OR LESS. LET ME FLY, FAR AWAY FROM HERE. FUN FUN FUN, IN THE SUN SUN SUN
[12:03] <Pott> I would suspect that if any contact would be made it would have to be in a way that does not in anyway have a chance of the general population finding out.
[12:03] <wantonace> my head hurts
[12:03] <Jurian> I WANT TO LIE, SHIPWRECKED AND COMATOSE, DRINKING FRESH, MANGO JUICE. GOLDFISH SHOULS <sp>, NIBBLING AT MY TOES. FUN FUN FUN, IN THE SUN SUN SUN
[12:03] <Jenkins3d> where the hell is inkepn...i need to talk to him
[12:03] <Pott> Contact would be limited to a few high officals in this world.
[12:03] <Jurian> FUN FUN FUN, IN THE SUN SUN SUN
[12:03] <Jurian> :p
[12:03] <Jenkins3d> !seen inkpen
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[12:04] <Pott> I would suspect the only reason for contact is to outline policies that apply to travelling in space.
[12:04] <BC> Pott... space is ours...
[12:04] <BC> all of it...
[12:04] <wantonace> !seen STO_WARRIOR
[12:04] <Pott> No it's not.
[12:04] <Jurian> BC: get a life
[12:04] <BC> belongs to US governement....
[12:04] <Jurian> obviously, it is not
[12:04] <Jeremy> hehe
[12:04] <BC> bush claimed it...
[12:04] <Jurian> space doesn't belong to anyone
[12:05] <Pott> Space belongs to the cosmos.
[12:05] <Jenkins3d> or maybe they only do it becasue most of us can not handle the fact there are Alines out there
[12:05] <BC> our flag on the moon??
[12:05] <BC> US territorial possession...
[12:05] <Jurian> fuck that
[12:05] <Jenkins3d> you can buy a part of the moon for 15 bucks
[12:05] <Jurian> posession my ass
[12:05] <Jurian> Jenkins3d: not really
[12:05] <Jurian> the USA is the only country that hasn't agreed that the moon belongs to all humans
[12:06] <BC> our flag is on the moon, it is ours, just like columbus in america
[12:06] <Pott> Jenkins: My second point. We are being subjected to a condition process so that the notion of aliens is no big deal just a fact of everyday life
[12:06] <Jurian> america was never yours
[12:06] <Jurian> you just murdered the real americans
[12:06] <Jenkins3d> who wants the moon anyway...it's just a flaoting rock
[12:06] <Jurian> and stole their land
[12:06] <BC> Jurian... man... spoofing...
[12:06] <wantonace> is it hollow?
[12:06] <Jurian> wantonace: no, but it IS made of cheese! :)
[12:06] <wantonace> rings like a bell i heard, why would that be?
[12:06] <Jeremy> ZT says anyhow that we are not allowed to colonise other planets, or travel to parts of the solar system where we might encounter the Anunnaki
[12:06] <Pott> I believe that aliens should respect our world as ours.
[12:07] <Jurian> "our" world?
[12:07] <Jenkins3d> the moon may be important for launching stuff though
[12:07] <Pott> Obviously since we've been here for so long this world has been largely left alone.
[12:07] <Jurian> human arrogance at its best!
[12:07] <wantonace> the words "not allowed" should strike fear in us all
[12:07] <Pott> This would suggest that it is protected in some manner of way.
[12:07] <Jurian> crocodiles have been here much longer than humans
[12:08] <Jurian> isn't it their world then?
[12:08] <Jenkins3d> our world as in not home to aliens
[12:08] <Pott> The world in actuality belongs to the cosmos.
[12:08] <Jurian> and we haven't been here all that long really :p
[12:09] <Jurian> Jenkins3d: I'd be more than interested in living on an alien world for a while. Your views on things would make that illegal tho..
[12:09] <Pott> Got you guys thinking a bit once again eh hehehe
[12:09] <Jurian> we do not own this world
[12:09] <Jurian> noone does
[12:09] <Jenkins3d> I have no probelm with aliens comeinig here
[12:10] <Jenkins3d> i was just trying to think of what pott ment
[12:10] <wantonace> i'll stress this again, they need to share their technology with us if they come here
[12:11] <Jenkins3d> hopefully they have a cheep way of life
[12:11] <Jenkins3d> and share that with us too
[12:11] <Pott> LOL
[12:11] <Pott> SHare technology
[12:11] <Pott> We don't even have the technology to know they are there!
[12:12] <Pott> And we want their technology already.
[12:12] <wantonace> dont we see alot of strange going ons in space?
[12:12] <Pott> Thats weak.
[12:12] <wantonace> ive sen some amazing footage of weird stuff around the sun and moon
[12:12] <Pott> Something like that defines if a species survives or bot.
[12:12] <Jenkins3d> When people get everything they want with out working for it, they feel unfufilled and want morew
[12:12] <Jenkins3d> when you work for the stuff you dont
[12:13] <Jenkins3d> usually
[12:13] <Jenkins3d> if we got free tech from them...
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[12:14] <wantonace> we as a species need the knowledge and if its not given freely we should do whatever it takes to take it
[12:15] <wantonace> screw finding out about it ourselves
[12:15] <Jurian> now that was nasty!
[12:15] <Jurian> fucking windows
[12:15] <Jenkins3d> but that gives us no knowledge, puts us back many many years and when the free stuff is gone then we are screwed
[12:15] <Jenkins3d> becasue we will not be able to advance
[12:16] <wantonace> we advance because of the knowledge no matter how we come of it
[12:17] <Jenkins3d> but we get no knowledge of the stuff
[12:17] <wantonace> or am i completely mistaken...?
[12:17] <Jenkins3d> we skiped so much stuff that we needed to know
[12:18] <Jenkins3d> there would be a hole that we will fall into and have to degress to make progress
[12:18] <Jenkins3d> unless we are given all knowledge
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[12:19] <wantonace> did our civilization get knowledge originally from some off world intelligence?
[12:19] <Jenkins3d> No one knows
[12:19] <Jenkins3d> it's possible
[12:20] <wantonace> i bet the zetas got help with technology from a more advanced race
[12:20] <Jenkins3d> well help and free stuff it totally diffrent
[12:20] <wantonace> that to some other race they are considered primitive
[12:20] <wantonace> there is more than likely a pecking order out there
[12:20] <Jenkins3d> if they just gave us a big load of stuff and the user manuals that would not be helping us
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[12:21] <Jenkins3d> the would need to show us the faults in our thinking
[12:22] <Jenkins3d> and give us information, not material stuff
[12:22] <Jenkins3d> so we can do it ourselvs and learn
[12:22] <wantonace> what if the earth humans were deliberately messed with genetically
[12:22] <wantonace> causing us to be less than our true potentiaL
[12:23] <Jenkins3d> well that would suck
[12:23] <Jenkins3d> why would they do that?
[12:23] <wantonace> not long lived, pron to agression and slightly retarded
[12:23] <wantonace> billy meier has some info on that
[12:24] <Jenkins3d> well if we look back to what we evolved from, we killed each other if there was a conflict
[12:24] <wantonace> because what if we were created to be slaves to serve a purpose
[12:25] <vamp> what if we served this purpose for once
[12:25] <Jenkins3d> and the geen pool is so mucked up with bad geens
[12:25] <wantonace> slavery, off world concept originally?
[12:26] <Jenkins3d> hm, maybe
[12:26] <wantonace> seems like a alien concept to me.....i would never have thought of enslaving someone else
[12:26] <wantonace> well my girlfriend but thats another story
[12:26] <BC> wantonace... are you an aliens sex slave?
[12:27] <wantonace> maybe
[12:27] <Jenkins3d> but if they could do genitic stuff with us why wouldnt they just create their own race
[12:27] <Jurian> uh, cause that's infinitely more complex?
[12:27] <wantonace> are you speaking about the zetas, jenkins?
[12:28] <Jenkins3d> but they could just take some human dna and make test tube slaves
[12:28] <Jenkins3d> i dont know
[12:29] <wantonace> me neither, i'm just wondering about all this myself
[12:30] <wantonace> BC, ive always wanted to spread my seed throughout the universe
[12:31] <BC> lol... where is semjase these days??
[12:31] <wantonace> not with me, damn
[12:31] <BC> i sit with my tasco and flashlight on my roof every nite for her
[12:31] <BC> :)
[12:31] <wantonace> love is in the air
[12:31] <BC> yes...
[12:32] <wantonace> so you never married BC ?
[12:32] <BC> no... not yet anyways...
[12:33] <wantonace> what line of work are you in?
[12:33] <Jurian> reboot
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[12:33] <BC> insurance sales...
[12:33] <Jenkins3d> my dad works with insurance...
[12:33] <wantonace> cool
[12:34] <Jenkins3d> well...he's a public adjuster
[12:34] <vamp> anyone tried
[12:34] <vamp> levitation and obe ?
[12:34] <Jenkins3d> YES!
[12:34] <wantonace> i way too much to levitate
[12:34] <wantonace> lol
[12:34] <vamp> doesnt work that way
[12:34] <wantonace> weight
[12:34] <vamp> i lifted myself couple inches yesterday
[12:34] <Jenkins3d> oobe is fun fun fun
[12:34] <vamp> using will power
[12:34] <vamp> i have full control of it
[12:35] <vamp> based on tutorial i developed
[12:35] <vamp> takes about 20 mintues
[12:35] <Jenkins3d> vamp....no you didnt
[12:35] <wantonace> can you email it to me?
[12:35] <vamp> i can
[12:35] <vamp> scroll in chat right now if you want
[12:35] <vamp> or link to forum
[12:35] <vamp> i posted it at
[12:35] <wantonace> wildfirecin@hotmail.com
[12:35] <vamp> i dont feel like loading my email account
[12:35] <wantonace> oh ok
[12:36] <Jenkins3d> do you have it in a txt file?
[12:36] <Jenkins3d> or wps or somrthing
[12:36] <Jenkins3d> wrd
[12:36] <vamp> i have it posted
[12:36] <Jenkins3d> ?
[12:36] <vamp> hold on
[12:36] <Jenkins3d> ok
[12:36] <wantonace> brb
[12:36] <Jenkins3d> This isnt the david blane stuff is it?
[12:37] <vamp> no
[12:37] <vamp> http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showthread.php?s=420ee0d8f4b5ee358a7c99e2c69cfc09&threadid=46&highlight=astral+projection
[12:37] <vamp> there
[12:37] <vamp> i wrote it based on what someone told me, i had hard time beliving it
[12:37] <vamp> until i tryed it, it really works as you desire
[12:37] <Jenkins3d> heh, i did that to my friend once and he yelled oh my god really loud
[12:37] <Jenkins3d> and im like look at my shoes!
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[12:40] <vamp> i really understand the key concept to unlock telekinetic abiliity
[12:40] <vamp> i'l do it when i have time and record it
[12:41] <wantonace> you swear by this?
[12:42] <Jenkins3d> thats about oobe
[12:43] <Jenkins3d> what about floating?
[12:43] <wantonace> once or twice in my past i remember feeling as if i was out of my body, problem was i couldn't see anything
[12:43] <wantonace> i was completely blind to any visuals
[12:44] <Jenkins3d> it takes some time
[12:44] <vamp> you actually do both
[12:44] <vamp> oh
[12:45] <vamp> i was fooled
[12:45] <vamp> by skeptics its a dream its in my mind
[12:45] <vamp> so now i do it with open eyes
[12:45] <vamp> and fully aware
[12:45] <vamp> where i am, and what i am loking at it still kinda scary so i dont go too deep
[12:45] <vamp> when you levitate yourelf
[12:45] <vamp> kinda like monks, whent hey meditate
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[12:45] <vamp> they are known to float in air
[12:46] <vamp> you start to hear noises..
[12:46] <vamp> and you are channeling other spirits
[12:46] <vamp> that are around you, it's a whole different world
[12:46] <vamp> but atleast you can prove to yourself theres after life
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[12:48] <wantonace> Induce sensations of "dropping" rapidly through the bed, ....how is this done?
[12:48] <S7L> wantonace: I can imagine. I expect what a person experiences is actually something like a lucid dreaming. After all, this kind of work is done to promote an altered state of consciousness.
[12:50] <Jenkins3d> go to www.astraldynamics.com
[12:50] <wantonace> i was most psychic when i ingested mushrooms
[12:50] <Jenkins3d> this guy wrote this nice thing about it
[12:50] <wantonace> bookmarked it also
[12:51] <wantonace> guys, i need to go eat something....thanks for the company, i shall return later
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[12:51] <S7L> food is on my mind, too. I have been writing a little code for two hours
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[12:53] <S7L> damn... why is every coder I see in the world so insane
[12:53] <S7L> or is it me who is just crazy
[12:54] <S7L> there's stuff in this class that can't even work and won't ever go production if it depends on me
[12:55] <Jurian> hehe
[12:55] <Jenkins3d> where?
[12:55] * Jurian messes with his firewall
[12:55] <S7L> I should have dispelled him from this stupid 'transaction group' concept he deviced earlier on
[12:56] <S7L> somehow I just knew, in a vague sense, inside of me, that I'm going to run into trouble because of it, and here I am, in trouble just as I predicted
[12:56] <S7L> Jenkins3d: just some crap we write for work
[12:56] <Jenkins3d> where do you work?
[12:56] <S7L> he wrote a component for representing users in database. The design is sound, even if code is a little lacking, though
[12:57] <S7L> A Finnish company called Elma... We are an in-between company with a history of writing tailored information gathering systems
[12:58] <Jenkins3d> Grrr...i have been getting free newspapers for almost 2 years and a few days ago they stoped
[12:58] <Jenkins3d> over 2 years
[13:00] <S7L> well, now everyone is aware of the problem. It will be fixed, one way or other. I just wait.
[13:01] <Jenkins3d> sounds fun
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[13:29] <Jenkins3d> anyone want to kill my mom for me?
[13:30] <S7L> nono. Usually children want to kill their father...
[13:30] <Jenkins3d> yeah well m y parents went out today
[13:30] <Jenkins3d> and i found this letter
[13:31] <Jenkins3d> and she says she doesnetr like the way i have been acting so i have to ride the bus to school, i cant drive her car, i cant get any new clothes and shit
[13:33] <S7L> oh well. It's a bugger, isn't it?
[13:33] <Jenkins3d> yes, but i dont understand how they think something like this will solve any problems
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[13:34] <Jenkins3d> and they never said anything to me about how i have acted
[13:35] <S7L> so, go talk to her when she comes back and figure out what it is about
[13:35] <Jenkins3d> i would like to but i have communication problems with my parents
[13:36] <Jenkins3d> i dont know why but i cant talk to them about anything
[13:36] <S7L> well, then there is a problem.
[13:36] <S7L> but I can't really talk about much anything that matters with my parents, either
[13:37] <Jenkins3d> yes...ill just get a psychologist  and work things out
[13:39] <S7L> the problem in my case is that I'm more a child with them, than I'm child in other circumstances. It's as if a part of me was locked in the past. It seems difficult to break the patterns of behaviour which were established then
[13:40] <S7L> and the fault here runs in both sides, partly
[13:40] <S7L> but that is not to say that we couldn't get along. It's only suboptimal.
[13:41] <Jenkins3d> yeah
[13:42] <Jenkins3d> well i have never needed my parents for anything besides the usuall stuff, i feel that i have logically moved higher than them and they hold back my life
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[13:42] <S7L> We just never had very warm relations, I think.
[13:43] <S7L> I've seen only a couple of families that truely have worked, in the sense that they have been integral and lively.
[13:44] <Jenkins3d> yeah
[13:45] <Jenkins3d> i have turned the exact oppsite of them and that does not help in this kind of situation
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[14:19] <S7L> > Magnitude (absolute, heliocentric, or apparent) has not proven to be a
[14:19] <S7L> > good basis of describing the brightness to expect when looking for
[14:19] <S7L> > Planet X.
[14:19] <S7L> Whatever happened to that alleged 100 percent accuracy?
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[14:23] <obany> s7l: what ya talking about?
[14:23] <stphrz> never was 100 percent afaik
[14:23] <S7L> I just read from Nancy that 'magnitude' hasn't been a good basis of describing the brightness ot expect when looking for planet x.
[14:24] <stphrz> convenient
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[14:26] <S7L> at least she no longer says that the Zetas compute every possible influence and thus get the correct result
[14:28] <gemynd> jack and jill ran up the hill
[14:28] <stphrz> I call shenanigans
[14:28] <Boja0420> QueenVee
[14:28] <Boja0420> are you there?
[14:28] <stphrz> It's time to get tough with those turkeys
[14:29] <gemynd> tough turkeys
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[14:30] <stphrz> for an advanced race those "zetas" sure have a penchant for playing games
[14:31] <gemynd> games?
[14:31] <gemynd> like what?
[14:32] <stphrz> giving out coordinates where px can allegedly be seen
[14:32] * S7L is amazed at the number of strange posters on sci.astro who have all kinds of new theories but not enough knowledge of English grammar to express them clearly.
[14:33] <kwandrie> hmmmmm
[14:33] <stphrz> people go look and whaddya know... nothing there
[14:33] <stphrz> fooled you again ha ha!
[14:33] <kwandrie> well cant anyone join it?
[14:34] <gemynd> do i have to beleive everything on zetatalk.com to be here?
[14:34] <gemynd> believe
[14:34] <stphrz> no
[14:34] <gemynd> ok
[14:34] <stphrz> i don't
[14:34] <stphrz> or couldn't you tell :)
[14:34] <kwandrie> at what time does a theory pass into fact?  when enough agree or when it is proven?
[14:34] <stphrz> when we can see the fucking thing!
[14:35] <gemynd> how do we know that the "zeta's" aren't actually the us government using some kind of secret technology to give us information which is comprised of basically a ton of half-truths?
[14:35] <kwandrie> dont know
[14:35] <stphrz> well, we don't actually
[14:35] <S7L> gemynd: seems terribly cumbersome a way to spread disinformation
[14:35] <S7L> wouldn't you rather just keep on manipulating the news?
[14:35] <kwandrie> government wouldd be having fun if they were doing it
[14:36] <obany> i don't think so geymund
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[14:36] <gemynd> cumbersome? depends on the technology they might have
[14:36] <gemynd> why, obany?
[14:37] <S7L> gemynd: the problem is that Nancy is not credible source of information
[14:37] <S7L> so what would you gain? You'd merely get people you could probably reach in an easier way anyway
[14:37] <gemynd> How do you define credible?
[14:37] <stphrz> spurious data sequencing
[14:37] <kwandrie> well the government came up with the fact that the ufo at roswell was a weather baloon then it was some kind o thing with test dummies
[14:37] <S7L> credible as in producing correct information
[14:37] <kwandrie> makes you wonder who "is" the dummy
[14:37] <S7L> nancy's information, at least the science, is basically so dead wrong as it can get.
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[14:38] <Ogmios> human science is dead wrong..
[14:38] <S7L> and the amusing snippet which I read today on sci.astro landed on my web pages
[14:38] <S7L> I hadn't yet included any of nancy's "red light bending" fiasco.
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[14:39] <stphrz> Ogmios: sez who?
[14:39] <S7L> hi jj
[14:40] <wantonace> hi
[14:40] * S7L considers Ogmios beyond reach
[14:41] <kwandrie> what red ligt bendiing thing are you talking about?
[14:41] <obany> yes yes ... and our knowledge of science is o so right ... geeez
[14:41] <obany> starts to kiss the ground where science walks upon
[14:41] <stphrz> obany: good enough to know when we're being snookered
[14:42] <obany> yeah sure sigh
[14:42] <S7L> kwandrie: Nancy included some Very Bad Science on zetatalk about the red light bending
[14:42] <stphrz> toss aside logic merely because someone says we're dumb
[14:42] <S7L> which is her explanation why her original magnitude prediction didn't happen.
[14:42] <obany> that's what you say s7l
[14:42] <stphrz> suuuuurre
[14:42] <kwandrie> i am not that sciencce orinetated but find it amazing at all the different ideas and all the people who claim knowledge and ddont even agree
[14:42] <obany> because it disagrees with your ideas
[14:42] <obany> omg
[14:42] <S7L> obany: no, that's what the universe says
[14:42] <gemynd> logic hahaha
[14:42] <S7L> if what nancy says could happen, we'd see it all around the place
[14:42] <obany> bash bash
[14:42] <obany> let's call this channel #zetatalk_bash
[14:43] <Ogmios> well that time isnt so far away when man thought that earth is flat and center of universe
[14:43] <S7L> it's bashed if it needs bashing
[14:43] <wantonace> nancy is quite capable of miscommunication.....if data has to filter through her mind, her mind could quite easily alter said data from time to time
[14:43] <stphrz> Ogmios: that wasn't based on "science" it was based on superstition and religion
[14:43] <gemynd> yea, damnit!
[14:43] <S7L> wantonace: what do you think of the fact that the advanced Zetas talk about Newton as if Newton was the last to say about human science and its concept of gravitation?
[14:43] <kwandrie> in general the bashing always seems more to do with opinion
[14:43] <Ogmios> now science acts like religion..
[14:44] <gemynd> exact same concept christians use
[14:44] <obany> why do you still join in then , just out of curiousity or trying to convince others that it's all dead wrong
[14:44] <obany> togheter with sapphire and friends
[14:44] <kwandrie> i could bash a lot of things but you would tell me it was opinion
[14:44] <S7L> hmmh. I meant, was the last word of human science and its cocnept of gravitation
[14:44] <wantonace> hey i was only giving a reason for mess ups on her part
[14:44] <stphrz> Ogmios: perhaps in some instances but it does at least have verifiable observational data to back up what it claims
[14:45] <wantonace> i think she doesnt always get info from the zetas
[14:45] <kwandrie> well my understanding is that science disagrees with itself all the time on gravty
[14:45] <S7L> kwandrie: really? I haven't seen any disagreement. Merely paths for future refinement.
[14:46] <wantonace> remember im not a supporter of nancy, just an observer
[14:46] <S7L> that is, Newton's theory was too simple, in comes GR, then people get that there's probably something that must be done with it yet, so in comes quantum gravitation (which isn't yet mature)
[14:46] <stphrz> zetatalk makes the claims and supplies not one jot of simple data to back up those claims
[14:47] <PJ> i see the problem being as you dont believe in telepathy therefore discrediting ....regardless of your debateable points...you still are unable to grasp it and just enjoy being energy thieves because you think someone is selling you a bill of goods
[14:47] * stphrz suspects stuff like telepathy etc is possible
[14:47] <S7L> I was today shocked to discover that the human scientists have verified the weak equivalence principle down to 1 part in ten trillion. That is directly refuting whatever Nancy has to say about gravity and its dependence of constitution of the object being attracted
[14:47] <S7L> there is nothing like that which can be seen, and not expected in the theory of gravitation.
[14:49] <gemynd> drink
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[14:50] <wus7l> hmmh. Another disconnect. Well, I'm off to bed soon anyway.
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[14:52] <wantonace> so S7L,where is she getting what she is saying?
[14:52] <gemynd> How long did today's session last?
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[14:52] <obany> very good imo http://www.zetatalk.com/index/caug3102.htm
[14:52] <gemynd> Is that a transcript of today's session, Obany?
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[14:53] <gemynd> oh
[14:53] <gemynd> i mean yesterday's
[14:53] <gemynd> apparently, it is
[14:55] <obany> session ooh you mean from #troubled_times well okay but the zetatalk session only takes place on saturday
[14:55] <gemynd> right
[14:57] <wus7l> (NancyL) MC, your prediction track record? You are a NOTHING!
[14:57] <wus7l> This comes up fairly frequently nowadays.
[14:57] <stphrz> MC never made any predictions
[14:58] <wus7l> Nancy seems fairly happy about being internationally known and thinks that makes her a something. This strange behaviour, which I at first thought to be some kind of cynical joke, is something else
[14:58] <stphrz> hm
[14:59] <wus7l> I think Chris Franks was once talking to Nancy, trying to get into correspondence to straighten out her errors in science, but Nancy exploded back something like 'nobody ever comes to your site. I never read your posts. You are an idiot." etc.
[14:59] <wus7l> It seems strangely out of place
[15:01] <obany> strange how you debunkers always bring up the same kind of points ...
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[15:01] <dbunk> my new nickname :P
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[15:02] <wantonace> please tell me obany what is it that makes you hold on to your belief that nancy is really genuine?
[15:02] <wantonace> i want to understand
[15:02] <obany> well i am not going to to tell you
[15:02] <obany> so
[15:02] <wantonace> please tell me, i might have missed something
[15:03] <obany> it's personal ... so no
[15:03] <wantonace> are you the illegitamate love child of hers?
[15:03] <wantonace> lol
[15:04] <obany> o shut up
[15:04] <wantonace> ok
[15:04] <wus7l> "(NancyL) MC, mankinds calculations? They can't explain why their probes are NOT operating per their gravity calcs."
[15:04] <wus7l> it is convenient for Nancy to ignore the fact that the discrepancy is an extremely small one
[15:06] <wus7l> only detectable after some decade or two of travelling
[15:08] <wus7l> and equal to acceleration caused by 65 W of directed radiation on the 247 kg spacecraft
[15:13] <wantonace> if the zetas have IQ's of 280, i wish they would say something of great significance
[15:13] <stphrz> lol
[15:14] <stphrz> i wanna know what the fuck is the problem with zetas and hair
[15:14] <wantonace> ever see the movie, powder?
[15:15] <stphrz> why is something simple like hair so tough for them to deal with in the genetic enineering
[15:15] <obany> yes, so what are you trying to say with that... it's about the boy who got hit by lighting.. and with a white face
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[15:15] <stphrz> it will be among the very first things mankind will be manipulating
[15:15] <wantonace> lol.....it is not
[15:16] <stphrz> i mean jeez
[15:16] <wantonace> bald is beautiful
[15:16] <stphrz> meh
[15:16] <Ogmios> is there some reason that humans have hair on their head
[15:16] <stphrz> hair is good insulation from cold
[15:16] <Ogmios> protects brains?
[15:16] <stphrz> it's a good thing
[15:17] <wus7l> Ogmios: unlikely. I think you'd attribute skull for that purpose.
[15:17] <wantonace> i have hairy knuckles
[15:17] <stphrz> good for you :P
[15:17] <wantonace> lol
[15:17] <wus7l> I personally think all hair growth is a needless annoyance.
[15:18] <Ogmios> but why africans have hair?
[15:18] <Ogmios> no cold there
[15:18] <wus7l> I've been thinking about treatments that would terminate the growth, but then, I don't know if I'd want that at all times. So, perhaps it's bad idea to do something permanent.
[15:18] <stphrz> it makes them look purty :P
[15:19] <wus7l> Ogmios: in fact, hair serves as a general temperature regulator. It can keep the cold out and the warm in, because it acts as a buffer.
[15:19] <stphrz> insulation works both ways poindexter
[15:19] <wus7l> You may be aware of the fact that the main purpose of clothes is in fact to hold air in place, as far as the warmth is concerned
[15:20] <Ogmios> so hybrids dont have that buffer then
[15:20] <wantonace> think of the money they save on personal grooming
[15:20] <stphrz> the zetas are so incompetent they fucked up their own digestive system
[15:21] <Ogmios> have you ever seen hairy alien?
[15:21] <Ogmios> :)
[15:21] <stphrz> now they have to bath themselves to "eat"
[15:21] <stphrz> nice
[15:21] <wus7l> stphrz: isn't it so effective? I mean, you can combine sleeipng, eating and taking a shower into one activity
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[15:21] <wus7l> now what could be more efficient use of your time?
[15:21] <kwandrie1> sorry got dumped
[15:22] <kwandrie1> what did i miss
[15:22] <stphrz> Ogmios: there have been close encounter reports of hairy aliens.  Look it up
[15:22] <wantonace> so i guess they dont have much waste matter coming out of them
[15:22] <obany> there are other types of aliens too
[15:22] <kwandrie1> i last saw you tlaking about putting into chrystal and iinto ground
[15:22] <stphrz> wus71: what if you are in a situation where you can't bathe
[15:22] <stphrz> they can't even eat enough to sustain their health in an emergency
[15:22] <wus7l> stphrz: then you will probably experience rather extended discomfort and die.
[15:23] <wus7l> kwandrie1: you missed nothing remarkable, I think...
[15:24] <kwandrie1> ok
[15:24] <stphrz> fact is: zetas need a lot of technology just to keep themselves alive
[15:24] <kwandrie1> that would be a pain
[15:24] <wus7l> so does the human population... at least now
[15:24] <stphrz> wus7l: we only need something to eat, water and shelter
[15:25] <wus7l> yes... but we can't produce what we need withotu technology
[15:25] <stphrz> sure we can
[15:25] <wus7l> not to our entire population.
[15:25] <stphrz> go into woods and pick food
[15:25] <stphrz> make shelter from tree branches
[15:25] <wus7l> yes that might work for _you_ alone.
[15:25] <stphrz> drink water from a stream
[15:25] <wus7l> but it won't be efficient enough to support everyone
[15:25] <wus7l> so we are fucked as species as well
[15:26] <kwandrie1> how many trees ad how much food is left after six billion people go o woods?
[15:26] <stphrz> wus7l: but a zeta taken away from his technology can't sustain himself in an emergency
[15:26] <wus7l> a hunter-gatherer needs several square kilometers of wilderness to support oneself.
[15:26] <stphrz> humans can
[15:26] <wus7l> stphrz: but as a species, we have become dependant. And who says that a zeta couldn't construct a crude nutrient bath in emergency conditions to support itself?
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[15:26] <kwandrie1> nowdays you cant drink from a stream unless it is from the source
[15:26] <stphrz> and they don't need advanced technology to do it
[15:27] <Ogmios> 75% of finnish area is forest btw..and 10% water
[15:27] <kwandrie1> hope the bodies they redesigned are better than that
[15:28] <kwandrie1> if they have to take a bath to eat.....i would think their skin would soak u all kinds of pollution here
[15:28] * wus7l is in fact quite skeptical about the whole thing
[15:29] <wus7l> I mean, if zetas exist, and all. Assuming that much, so, the next problem is, what do we really know about their physiology? Perhaps Nancy is pulling our leg, having read this nutrient bath stuff off some sci-fi book
[15:29] <kwandrie1> wonder if a zeta carries a bag of liquid nutrents so when in a hurry can just put hand in it?
[15:29] <kwandrie1> ou know...like  to go containr...lol
[15:30] <stphrz> maybe they do
[15:30] <stphrz> dunno
[15:30] <wus7l> the problem is that entire skin should be in fact pretty darn thin, to make it possible to absorb stuff that way. That's what would make me doubt this. Of course, special micro tubing on skin could exist to help faciliate this process
[15:30] <kwandrie1> seems you could wear a suit like in "dune" with your nutrients in it
[15:31] <wus7l> but point is, a human would die if put into a nutrient bath due to malnutrition. Nothing, almost, would pass through the skin.
[15:31] <kwandrie1> well true but i wold think if we choose to try to do that we c ould wit some changes...after al there are nicotine patches and others now
[15:32] <wus7l> only componds that are small and nonpolar have the chance to penetrate the skin. That's because they can pass through the walls of the cells.
[15:32] <kwandrie1> hmm
[15:32] <wus7l> yes. A nicotine patch works, but nicotine is just one compound and only small quantities are necessary
[15:32] <kwandrie1> garlic does
[15:33] <stphrz> yes
[15:33] <kwandrie1> rub garlic on your foot and in a few minutes you will taste garlic
[15:33] <stphrz> anyone know the best way to get rid of garlic smell on your hands?
[15:33] <wus7l> yes, garlic also works.
[15:33] <kwandrie1> lemon juice?
[15:33] <stphrz> stainless steel
[15:33] <kwandrie1> sorry gotta go....bye for now
[15:33] <stphrz> wash your hands with a stainless steel block
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[15:33] <wus7l> I do not remember what was responsible for the taste of garlic, but I think it was quite small molecule
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[15:34] <stphrz> chefs know this :)
[15:34] <PJ> rub a habinaro pepper on your hand to rid garlic smell
[15:34] * stphrz loves garlic
[15:35] * stphrz just said the time honored way that chefs have been doing it for ages
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[15:36] <PJ> old ancient chinese mexican secret
[15:36] <wus7l> chinese mexican. Heh.
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[15:38] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
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[15:38] <gemynd> coffee tea fish?
[15:38] * stphrz likes fish
[15:40] <Ogmios> wb obany
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[15:48] <Pott> There was once a lady named Nancy she thought she would try and be fancy when the men looked at her they called her absured and very very nasty.
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[16:07] <obany> pott:
[16:07] <obany> shut up
[16:15] <obany> bye
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[17:45] <Jenkins3d> !seen inkpen
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[17:51] <Jenkins3d> what-ever
[17:56] <gemynd> .gv?
[17:58] <Jenkins3d> .gv?
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[18:03] <Jenkins3d> .gv?
[18:06] <gemynd> .gv?
[18:06] <Jenkins3d> .gv?
[18:06] <Jenkins3d> what the mofo
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[18:07] <Jenkins3d> what is .gv?
[18:09] <gemynd> i don't phluckin know
[18:15] <Jenkins3d> then why are you asking
[18:19] <gemynd> <grimbot> inkpen (moose_goos@h24-77-41-194.gv.shawcable.net) was last seen quitting from #Troubled_Times 2 days, 1 hour, 27 minutes ago stating (lost in the netsplit).
[18:19] <gemynd> moose_goos@h24-77-41-194.gv.shawcable.net
[18:20] <Jenkins3d> ohhhh
[18:20] <Jenkins3d> it's some isp kinda thing i guess
[18:26] <gemynd> yea...was wondering if it was a government protocol
[18:28] <Jenkins3d> i dunno, he's 18
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[18:45] <vamp> sup
[18:45] <vamp> you
[18:45] <vamp> guys
[18:47] <Jenkins3d> not
[18:47] <Jenkins3d> much
[18:47] <Jenkins3d> vamp
[18:47] <vamp> i just did an obe
[18:47] <vamp> this time i rotated and everything
[18:47] <vamp> it was cool
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[18:58] <gemynd> vamp
[18:58] <gemynd> did you go anywhere?
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[19:05] <Jenkins3d> !rose Ned_Flanders
[19:05] <grimbot> @-->-->--
[19:05] <grimbot> watches as Jenkins3d gives a beautiful white rose to Ned_Flanders.
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[19:12] <vamp> theres a whole different realm out there
[19:12] <vamp> realms actually
[19:12] <vamp> damn visiting afterlife before death is cool
[19:14] <Jenkins3d> you got past the buddic relm?
[19:20] <Jenkins3d> have you ever been to The Akashic Records?
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[20:10] <Jenkins3d> HELLO?
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[20:26] <Jenkins3d> hey..hit alt + f4
[20:28] <Jenkins3d> DO IT!
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[20:42] <Pott> hey
[20:43] <stphrz> hey
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[20:47] <froggy> hi, Pott
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[20:58] <Jenkins3d> !time
[20:58] <Jenkins3d> gr
[20:59] <froggy> hi
[20:59] <Jenkins3d> hi
[20:59] <Jenkins3d> Pole Shift or Polar Train Wreck?
[21:00] <froggy> train wreck?
[21:00] <Jenkins3d> Pole Shift or Pole stuck up somewhere
[21:00] <Jenkins3d> i dunno
[21:00] <Jenkins3d> it's late
[21:01] <froggy> no pole shift
[21:01] <Jenkins3d> is it wreck or reck?
[21:01] <Jenkins3d> or something else
[21:01] <froggy> what ever
[21:02] <Jenkins3d> Pole Shift or Pole not shift
[21:02] <Jenkins3d> I want the pole shift to happen but i really dont think it will
[21:02] <froggy> no pole shift
[21:02] <froggy> i don't think so
[21:03] <Jenkins3d> cuase then i dont have to worry about college, getting a good job, finishing high school and stuff
[21:03] <froggy> sure, just die
[21:04] <froggy> that's a great wish....not
[21:04] <Jenkins3d> i dont want to die
[21:04] <Jenkins3d> but a higher education would not be important for the next 20 years or so
[21:04] <froggy> then  why do you want the pole shift to happen?
[21:05] <Jenkins3d> Well if it was happning, i would probably wish it wasnt...but so many things i wouldnt have to worry about, corrupt goverment would be destroyed
[21:06] <Jenkins3d> and hopefully one in the future could be provented
[21:06] <froggy> if i were you i would just do my homework and not worry about it
[21:06] <froggy> there is still a chance corrupt goverment could change
[21:08] <Jenkins3d> Maybe...
[21:08] <Jenkins3d> or maybe not
[21:08] <froggy> what time do you have?
[21:09] <Jenkins3d> My phone says 12:05..
[21:09] <Jenkins3d> dont know how accurate that is though
[21:09] <froggy> I think a big war could change the govt.
[21:09] <froggy> i have the same time
[21:10] <Jenkins3d> ok
[21:11] <froggy> i was checking other chanels and saw funbot and juraway there
[21:12] <Jenkins3d> what channel?
[21:12] <froggy> dirty
[21:13] <froggy> what do you think of that?
[21:14] <Jenkins3d> ha
[21:14] <Jenkins3d> funny stuff
[21:14] <Jenkins3d> What were you doing there?
[21:15] <froggy> just checking out other channels
[21:16] <froggy> i was surprised
[21:16] <Jenkins3d> Ok..
[21:16] <Jenkins3d> yeah
[21:18] <froggy> there is a hybrid on ual
[21:18] <Jenkins3d> ual?
[21:19] <froggy> ya
[21:19] <Jenkins3d> what is that?
[21:19] <froggy> channel ual
[21:19] <Jenkins3d> oh
[21:20] <froggy> i would expect that here
[21:21] <Jenkins3d> Maybe...
[21:24] <froggy> i'm sleepy, goodnight:)
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[22:39] <ArCTiCVVoLf> hi all
[22:39] <ArCTiCVVoLf> the suns freakin
[22:49] <Sapphire> ?
[22:59] <ArCTiCVVoLf> hi
[23:00] <Sapphire> hi
[23:00] <ArCTiCVVoLf> suns supposeto be winding down its acctivitys last march but its fully active
[23:00] <ArCTiCVVoLf> 11 year sycle
[23:01] <Sapphire> where do you get this info?
[23:01] <ArCTiCVVoLf> yart bell show
[23:01] <ArCTiCVVoLf> just now
[23:02] <Sapphire> it is on now?
[23:02] <Sapphire> let me check...
[23:02] <ArCTiCVVoLf> its over now
[23:02] <ArCTiCVVoLf> schriber guy
[23:02] <Sapphire> oh ok, yeah nothing on now.
[23:02] <Sapphire> I'm just wondering where this info is coming from...credible sources or just hear-say?
[23:03] <ArCTiCVVoLf> sun peaks at 11 year where at year 1 of cycle but sunns acting like its 11 again
[23:03] <ArCTiCVVoLf> hmmmmmm
[23:04] <ArCTiCVVoLf> he said the www site but i missed it
[23:05] <Sapphire> I have doubted before that we have been observing the sun long enough to know about any real cycles.
[23:05] <ArCTiCVVoLf> http://www.pparc.ac.uk/Nw/Press/CME.asp
[23:05] <Sapphire> Perhaps there never really was an 11 year cycle...it just appeared that way in the last century.

Session Start: Sun Sep 01 23:10:12 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[23:10] <Sapphire> system crash...
[23:14] <Sapphire> According to that site, we've only known about CMEs for 30 years.
[23:15] <Sapphire> Hardly enough to establish a "cycle".
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Session Close: Mon Sep 02 00:00:00 2002