Session Start: Sat Mar 02 13:24:17 2002
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<svnmn> Titled "Earthworm Compost" - http://www.16color.com/movies/?2002.03.02|R|EarthwormCompost.12938
<matt> might suit NZ well in after times
<talon> I think I am in a safe place but will deffinitely need to move if the ice caps melt. Zetatalk site says dont wait to relocate because there will be many trying to gain ground at the same time
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<matt> yeah
<superzod> Thanks CHIEF> read and underston
<EW> talon; good point!
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<talon> imagine if you were in a safe location and masses of people started to migrate to your area. I'm sure it wont be a friendly situation although I hope it is
<superzod> whats the news for England/London. Will I drown. Don;t have the funds to move. Also..are people CASHING OUT (selling their stuff)
<butch> yeah...ever see rats on a sinking ship???;P
<butch> hi clipper
<ChiefSimi> not at all. The Zetas have answers for everything (nearly :)
<EW> talon: count on unfriendly
<Clipper> Good morning
<talon> nod
<matt> thats my biggest worry Talon, the "takers"...
<talon> yes indeed, so it will be like mad max.
<matt> yeas without the cars...
<obany> hey Clipper
<EW> matt: need helicopter..ha
<Clipper> Morning
<matt> hehe...i thought hotair balloon might be a go
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<talon> hey, thats a good idea Matt
<talon> I'll build my dome home with a hot air balloon attached
<matt> or zeppelin!! lol
<talon> nothing like unfriendlies taking pot shots at ya from the ground
<matt> ouch
<Merlinjr> when nancy come she nick is nancy or another name here ?
<jubjub963> it was funny how dc admitted the shadow government thing this week,  and people were like surprised
<matt> hmmm
<butch> how you gonna fly a balloon with 200 mph winds???;P
<talon> yes,, what a wonderful phrase to use "shadow government"
<EW> jub963: heads in sand
<matt> after butch...after
<talon> at least they finally called it what it is
<Clipper> She will be known as Nancy
<obany> NancyL usualy
<svnmn> any time the government admits something I wonder what they are up to...
<Merlinjr> ok
<matt> svnmn: agreed
<matt> nothing happens by accident in politics
<talon> Maybe its part of the "small leaks in information" many speak of
<jubjub963> it looks like the slow awakening thing,  bit by bit so they don't panic people
<svnmn> I read this morning's paper, and what Bush described as a shadow government has no relation to the shadow government I think of...
<EW>  expect panic for sure
<butch> phase two of the takeover...more like it:p
<matt> yeah
<svnmn> Except both versions of a shadow government were not elected by the governed.
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<matt> glad I ain't there...not that the takeover will matter in about 14 months....
<obany> hi zetapal
* svnmn agrees -- phase 2 of the takeover.
<butch> hi zetapal
<talon> Anyone here from Canada that would not mind a Yank migrating north?
<Red> Come on up anytime
<Merlinjr> i live in canada me !
<svnmn> Really!  Canada looks better and better all the time!
<matt> hey plenty room down here in New Zealand...come on down!
<talon> I knew I could count on you!
<Merlinjr> me is plus in quebec
<talon> might be difficult for me to get to New Zealand, But I have a boat
<matt> hmmm looong trip by boat
<Merlinjr> loll ok
<Zetapal> hey my peeps givin props to the d to the d to the i to the e thats P.Diddie
<matt> ?
<talon> ??
<EW> ???
<matt> lol
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<Zetapal> that a white guy tryin to be funky
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<Zetapal> i agree ?
<talon> ahhh
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<butch> lol
<matt> oh ok...can you jump?
<Zetapal> not
<Zetapal> anymore
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<IQx|BUSY> Hey Nancy =)
<IQx|BUSY> How are you =)
<Akeybear> hiya nancy
<Zetapal> yo yo yo
<talon> Hi Nancy
<NancyL> Hi folks.  I just send the Agenda to Gerard and Jurian.  Will post now ...
* anon509b waves
<Merlinjr> hi NancyL
<sirgrim> hi nancy
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<Zetapal> look whoose in da howse
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<matt> lol at funky whiteboy Zetapal
<Red> Hey HBO
<NancyL> PLANET X ON SCI.ASTRO
<NancyL> 1. Can the Zeta's comment on the recent general mood of the sci.astro boards.
<NancyL> 2. Can the Zeta's comment on the apparent changes to NEAT and DSSII images recently documented?
<HBO2> hi ya Red
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<NancyL> BUSH ADMIN / PRISON GANGS
<NancyL> 1. What is the purpose of the shadow government that Bush announced this past week? Is this a plan to start moving elite people to underground places?
<NancyL> 2. What do the Zetas foresee happening with the general prison population in the US and other countries?
<sirgrim> im makin a cd with zetatalk and rense's first
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<Zetapal> Z to the E to the T to the  A  the Zetas
<Clipper> :-)
<NancyL> 1. Ramtha and Baird Spalding and both top-notch, both much better than most of what is out there, in my opinion. Yes, Ramtha has made lots of predictions and their accuracy is often mind-blowing.
<NancyL> He predicted the fall of Communism and the year, and China's temporary relaxing, then tightening restrictions.  He predicted some major scientific findings. (more)
<matt> Sirgrim: i too have them on CD
<sirgrim> matt: cool i'm ripin/listenin to it right now, then i'll make the cd ;D
<NancyL> But then he changed and this new entity seems to just want to feed his ego and gather followers. He has a huge following. Baird Spalding says he took a trip to India/Tibet/Nepal in the late 19th century and published a very widely read series of books about the adepts/mystics he encountered.  
<NancyL> They predicted the commercialization of culture, but did not really make many predictions.  (more)
<sirgrim> i got her last blakeradio on cd too
<NancyL> They were very definitely service-to-others, spent their time healing mostly, and only wanted people to become service-to-others.  They were people of peace, men and women, and did not try to convert or even convince anyone.  But they could do things third dimensional people can't do. Both of these are in my opinion much superior to Elizabeth Clare Prophet, whom they did speak about.  And Sai Baba, who seems to me a very dark entity. (end)
<matt> I have edited out the Ads and news breaks
<Merlinjr> nancy you know you quebec ?
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<IQx|BUSY> Thanks NancyL
<NancyL> Blake Radio was a good interview, covered a lot.  The host was very well informed, and kept it MOVING well.
<sirgrim> nicely said
<jubjub963> when did it air, couldn't find it last Sat
<Ogmios> hello Nancy
<talon> I enjoyed it, good job!
<matt> any word on getting back onto Sightings?
<sirgrim> yes he did, had some help prior to you showing up by an unfriendly though
<NancyL> Merlin, what is your question, do I know where Quebec is?
<sirgrim> Nancy would you go on art bell if he asked?
<NancyL> Jubjub 3 times a day for a week, but I do not know the schedule.
<obany> it was a good interview yes, it was wecasted serveral times this week on blakeradio.com
<Merlinjr> is french people is and is what is pass after troubled time ?
<superzod> you can can download from www.successful-secrets.co.uk/zeta
<NancyL> Matt, my impression on Sightings, from something Jeff said to someone in e-mail is that he will feel free to have me on his show mid summer.
<Clipper> Merlin ..... even I have no idea what you are talking about.
<sirgrim> i compiled a nice email with recent news and evidence that will hit him, and said you would be a great guest so he might want you on.
<matt> Thats good news Nancy!
<NancyL> This is based on the Zeta prediction that amateurs can see the 12th/pX by mid-2002, and he said something like "when it can be seen by amateurs in their scopes" can't remember the words.
<Merlinjr> what is which will arrive at Quebec?
<NancyL> There is obviously a lot of pressure to keep the panic/knowledge down.  
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<Merlinjr> i live in quebec now
<matt> I think people will start to move before the final days
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<NancyL> Look at the 1st item today.  In case anyone does not know, Havas caught them red handed (NASA and Tholen et al) doctoring the existing star charts to put IN PX as imaged recently!
<talon> not sure where to move
<Zetapal> WE should all e-mail Jeff from his website,They don't promise a response but both times I wrote him he responded briefly
<matt> !
<matt> so as to pretend it is nothing new?
<NancyL> Sirgrim, I would, and any of Art Bell's handlers would not be my better.  The message would get out, just as it did with Mitch re the stupid mega-sun-cycle thing.
<NancyL> This is why Art won't have me on, as they KNOW I'd maneuver it so the truth was out there.
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<NancyL> I don't think Art is his own man, is VERY much leaned on, etc.
<EW> thank goodness Nancy and zeta's talk here on a weekly basis
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<matt> Art has always givin me an uneasy feeling....
<Clipper> Mitch did do an obvious turn about.
<EW> Nancy who does the leaning?
<talon> I enjoy Art's show but do feel he is a bit controlled
<sirgrim> I think art is good and would help, but he still needs to come to grip with the reality of the situation
<Merlinjr> nancy is what is becoming the quebec after people of quebec ?
<superzod> where can we listen to Mithc (Is he the mysteryof themind dude ?
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<Clipper> You have to pay him first.
<NancyL> Merlyn, if you're asking about the effects on Quebec, send to the Contact Nancy webmail place (link from home page) as I will be doing safe locations updates soon.
<matt> I ahve the mitch interview if you have Morpheus or Winmx
<talon> Merlinjr: read zetatalk "safe places"
<madmax> Quebec City, Canadahttp://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx073.htm
<superzod> I have moproheo. How do I search it out
<Merlinjr> i know that is but after ?
<madmax>  Canada http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx060.htm
<NancyL> Clipper, did Mitch think the Zetas would be politically correct to the host?  I could not believe his naivate!
<Clipper> He was just so obvious. He was told to shut the hell up. That was obvious.
<NancyL> Merl, is Quebec on the east side of Canada?  If high land, will be cool climate, like today, but good ocean fishing.
<sirgrim> I think chemtrails are being used to change the weather, and try to make the changes of the incoming planet less noticable, but they have had some errors to say the least.
<Akeybear> LOL about the Zetas
<Merlinjr> ok
<anon509b> Have the zetas ever commented on the Voynich manuscript?  I'm curious about its meaning and origin.
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<EW> sirgrim: agree about chemtrials
<HenryK> Hi
<NancyL> Superzod, I got asked to come for an interview at the Mystery of the Mind place, but they have not come back with specifics after I accepted.
<Merlinjr> but me i live in north of quebec (province) in abitibi is near montreal and near ontario border !
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<anon509b> Had a huge chemtrail episode over Denver, CO a two/three weekends ago.
<NancyL> Madmax to the rescue :-)
<sirgrim> yea
<sirgrim> i seen it anon
<sirgrim> <-- in dtc
<sirgrim> i seen the plane
<Torbj> Elloha,m folks...
<sirgrim> right below the clouds
<Mary> Nancy, where is the agenda posted?
<Zetapal> hey torbj
<NancyL> Chemtrails are very evil.  The elite, using the military planes, under guise that they are only going to slow the mob down, but in fact then intend to poison folks.
<Torbj> Hajj..Pal
<anon509b> dozens of planes, every 3-5 minutes, in parallel, took a clear morning and covered the skies over denver.
<sirgrim> plane was silver, and not 50 feet below the 'unsettling' cloud cover
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<EW> Nancy is that poison sprayed now?
<NancyL> And now we hear that Bush et al are in bunkers, and the rest of the government be damed!
<Red> hi canuck
<sirgrim> big thick trail all the way across the sky, went right over me.
<canuck> hi Red
<NancyL> People are beginning, in the US, to be uneasy.
<talon> poison folks? How can we protect ourselves from the airborn assault?
<Akeybear> stay inside
<Clipper> If I'm not mistaken, those silver jets have a big red circle on the tail.
<NancyL> Mary, I put it out and will in a minute when we start.  It gets compiled up until the last minute, frankly.
<sirgrim> i couldn't see the tail on this one, very far up
<JurAway> Clipper: japanese huh? :P
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<sirgrim> right below the clouds, very eerie
<Clipper> Don't think so.
<Mary> thanks, I thought I just missed all the time  (-;
<Torbj> About this spraying of stuff....itīs a new satelite up now(Envisat) thatīs gona trace that ...among other sings
<butch> i know they sprayed the hell out of us last week, kids have been sick since...
<NancyL> EW, no poison now, but the plan later.  Maybe some "angels" will interfere.  Blow the poison over the wrong place, into the elite camps :-).
<EW> same here in midwest
<Merlinjr> Nancy how the zeta considere the pagan ones?
<Clipper> Cool :-)
<Akeybear> HEHEHE wish they would....
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<anon509b> What are they spraying now, then?
<DraganR> Pozdrav svima
<EW> Nancu are current chemtrails for weather control??
<rcain2> Cemtrails used to percipatate moisture is polyvinylalcohal a whire power main ingrediant in womens facemask
<NancyL> I talked to someone on the Cal coast, when I lived there, about chemtrails and result.  NO doubt that those walking on the beach had a "flu' that lasted for weeks.  Those indoors had no such problem!
<jubjub963> are the kid rashes across the us related to the chemtrails
<NancyL> Torbj, someone asked about this sat, and my feeling was it is a good thing.  Sweden is a good place ...
<DraganR> I mean Hi
<Akeybear> there seems to be this "crud" that lasts for a while going around here...
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<Torbj> That was me asking!
<NancyL> Merl, Pagan is a question to pose via the Contact Nancy link from home page.  Not on the Agenda, and about to start now.
<NancyL> Anon, making folks sick, supposedly temporarily, but sick folks like little children have DIED. So much for the caring elite.
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<Merlinjr> is what like is email ?
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<Merlinjr> is what link is email ?
<Akeybear> the "Contact NAncy link on the Zetas home page
<NancyL> Jub, no, just the Increasing Illness the Z's talked about.  Normal germs, people more vulnerable.
<obany> merlinjr: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm
<NancyL> Mer, yes, it will allow you to send an email, no attachments.
<Merlinjr> ok thanks
<NancyL> OK, going to re-post the agenda, a good one today.  
<NancyL> PLANET X ON SCI.ASTRO
<NancyL> 1. Can the Zeta's comment on the recent general mood of the sci.astro boards.
<NancyL> 2. Can the Zeta's comment on the apparent changes to NEAT and DSSII images recently documented?
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<NancyL> BUSH ADMIN / PRISON GANGS
<NancyL> 1. What is the purpose of the shadow government that Bush announced this past week? Is this a plan to start moving elite people to underground places?
<NancyL> 2. What do the Zetas foresee happening with the general prison population in the US and other countries?
<Zetapal> chemtrail story has been out for years now so we are getting diff TYPES of trails now - not all the same
<NancyL> RAMTHA & SPALDING
<NancyL> 1. Ramtha and Baird Spalding and both top-notch, both much better than most of what is out there, in my opinion. Yes, Ramtha has made lots of predictions and their accuracy is often mind-blowing.
<NancyL> He predicted the fall of Communism and the year, and China's temporary relaxing, then tightening restrictions.  He predicted some major scientific findings. (more)
<NancyL> But then he changed and this new entity seems to just want to feed his ego and gather followers. He has a huge following. Baird Spalding says he took a trip to India/Tibet/Nepal in the late 19th century and published a very widely read series of books about the adepts/mystics he encountered.  
<NancyL> They predicted the commercialization of culture, but did not really make many predictions.  (more)
<NancyL> They were very definitely service-to-others, spent their time healing mostly, and only wanted people to become service-to-others.  They were people of peace, men and women, and did not try to convert or even convince anyone.  But they could do things third dimensional people can't do. Both of these are in my opinion much superior to Elizabeth Clare Prophet, whom they did speak about.  And Sai Baba, who seems to me a very dark entity. (end)
<NancyL> ZT: Following the posting of an infrared image taken on Jan 5, 2002, the establishment was uneasy but felt the presence of an existing star in the near vicinity would suffice to explain, in the main, to the man on the street, the image.
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<Zetapal> is over in TT too
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<Nomis> Hallo
<Nomis> Is here anyone from Germany????????
<NancyL> ZT: Those following the debate closely, which several thousand are, were not so confused, however, but indeed recognized, in spite of the image makers later protests, that TWO objects were present in the new image, not on the star charts.
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<obany> Nancy it seemed you posted the wrong question before the answeer.. in IRC
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<NancyL> ZT: In that once is an aberation, in science, but twice is a pattern, the lights went off when the French team came through again with an image taken on Jan 19, 2002.
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<talon> viva La France!
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<NancyL> ZT: This had the astonishing association of being 1. a legitimate image, taken by a student given access to the equipment as a part of a training routine, and 2. having the stamp of the observatory, and 3. accompanied by an ESO star chart to be used as comparison.
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<NancyL> ZT: They were horrified.  All attempts to suppress such an occurence had slipped through their fingers, as they had not gone DOWN to the level of trainers and students in their covert warnings to astronomers.
<matt> :)
<NancyL> ZT: The cat was well out of the bag by the time the establishment became aware.
<Akeybear> gotta go down to the grass roots!! *grins*
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, they huddled, no comment being the mode, as noted by Steve Havas who found it odd that David Tholen of the Haiwai complex was absent for days after this announcement.
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<NancyL> ZT: The options were discussed.  Should they call is a NEWobject, perhaps a nova, and deal with the motion according to our coordinates later?
<NancyL> ZT: Should they ignore it, and have their lack of interest rouse curiosity?
<NancyL> ZT: Should they state that this is an existing object, the excuse used on Jan 5, 2002, always the most comfortable answer.
<NancyL> ZT: They chose the latter, and proceeded to INSERT an object in the star charts that would be downloaded by interested parties in the public, so that the public, comparing, would find the NEW object identified in France an OLD object, and dismiss the image.
<NancyL> ZT: They proceeded, but Steve Havas is a gifted contactee whom we have great confidence in, and thus he was guided as to oWHERE to look, and WHEN.
<NancyL> ZT: His early post that he was suspicious when Tholen did not post a comment to Nancy's announcement shows he was aware that activities behind thescenes were in process.
<Merlinjr> nancy for grow plant how grow plant is not sun light?
<NancyL> ZT: Caught in the Act! is his statement to sci.astro, and this it was.
<obany> merlinjr: not during the session please, and only related follow up questions after the answer is given
<NancyL> ZT: By pointing to what was a botched doctoring job, in time for many thoughout the world to follow in his footsteps and do their own checking, he produced at catch-22 for the establishment.
<Merlinjr> ok sorry :)
<NancyL> ZT: Should they proceed to fix their botches, hurriedly done by inexperienced image fixing disinfo artist, they had to worry about astronomers worldwide comparing the NEW star charts to those they had in their possession already.
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, the decision was made to withdraw the botched and doctored images, leaving Steve looking like a liar.
<NancyL> ZT: This supposition was posted today, Mar 2, 2002, on sci.astro, by Nancy, so that those astronomers around the world, who number in the hundreds, who have done their own comparisons and been horrified, will be alerted to the plan.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, though Steve may come under some heat, he should and we are confident will, understand that many are out there will PROOF now of the coverup, and the search for Planet X has not intensified a thousand fold.
<NancyL> ZT: For each astronomer looking, or thinking, there will for every astronomer finding the images being doctored, the bastion of integrity the star charts are supposed to be being DOCTORED, there will be dozens, each, that will be talked to privately in hushed tones about this matter.
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<NancyL> ZT: A wildfire has been lit, and cannot be damped.  And Steve cannot be touched else suspicions will go wild.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<canuck> way to go SteveH!
<NancyL> Steve H is here :-)
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<jubjub963> why not awaken people to px slowly, rather than hurriedly when it's too late
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<NancyL> Jub, there is no time for slow.
<SteveH> hi!
<RobH> are questions open about contrail related topics?
<EW> you da man steve!
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<obany> robh: no ...
<NancyL> And the establishent fears ANY awareness, as the Stock Market will crash, etc.
<matt> this will just lead to more people being confused and thereby doing nothing to prepare...:(
<NancyL> Rob, submit for next week.
<karen> hello  Steve I applaud you
<RobH> ok will do :)
<obany> you are doing good Steve H
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<SteveH> thanks :)
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<Samsara2001> Could the Zetan's expand on reasons of the acceleration of PX as it passes to the sun - beyond that which is already available on the website?
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<NancyL> Matt, uneasiness is rising anyway, the Bush Admin here in the US having a less than 50% rating on their caring about the little guy.  They SENSE something up.
<NancyL> Samsara, excellent Q for next week, as this is continuing confusion about this.  Bottom line, there is no friction in space, NO limit to speed.
<NancyL> Send me this on Contact Nancy off my home page, for next week.
<NancyL> OK, Moving onto Q2.
<jubjub963> something to do with the repulsion force being removed
<NancyL> BUSH ADMIN / PRISON GANGS
<NancyL> 1. What is the purpose of the shadow government that Bush announced this past week? Is this a plan to start moving elite people to underground places?
<NancyL> 2. What do the Zetas foresee happening with the general prison population in the US and other countries?
<NancyL> ZT: Sept 11, 2001 was both a blessing and a curse for the Bush Administration, owned by the elite as anyone following the ruling in favor of corporation and friend of Bush can see.
<NancyL> ZT: During earlier days, the OKC bombing and Waco affair and shooting down of TWA800 were attempts to trigger Martial Law.
<NancyL> ZT: This did not happen due to fast action on the part of many in government and the free-lance media who were alerted to the intent, and took steps to counter the planned result.
<NancyL> ZT: Nevertheless, ultra right Republicans emerged from closed door meeting shortly after OKC, revealing their plan - it was Arab terrorists!
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, the plan to initiate Martial Law EARLY was thwarted, and went underground into back room grumblings.
<Nomis> And how can we see the situation in ISRAEL?
<NancyL> ZT: When Sept 11, 2001 hit, the Bush Administration and their allies in corporate America were stunned.
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<NancyL> ZT: They had NO warning, and a fully loaded plane went into the Pentagon with no resistance whatsoever.
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<NancyL> ZT: Where the public is told that the fourth plane turned toward Washington DC went down due to a scuffle with passengers determined to prevent the plane's misuse, in fact it was shot down by the military.
<talon>  Yes I have seen proof of this
<NancyL> ZT: This and the silly reasons given forth for the plane leaving NYC and crashing into a neighborhood, that the tail took tail winds, are scarsely believed by the uneasy public.
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<NancyL> ZT: Clearly, the safety of the skies is not secure, and bombs can be planted in tails, taking planes down, in NYC, the site of intense security now.
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<NancyL> ZT: Seeing the President by Coup looking frightened and discombobulated during his single TV appearance after the WTC strike, the public sense something up about the PR campaign to present Bush Jr and tough.
<NancyL> ZT: The polls published, showing him popular to high degrees, are utterly false, and who is to know the better.
<Samsara2001> talon - Where did you get information on this--I have heard nothing of this
<NancyL> ZT: The American public is told the economy is about to turn, the Stock Market safe, and the skies safe as well.
<NancyL> ZT: All of this has a false ring to it, and increasingly the public is speaking privately to friends and confidants that they feel they are being lied to.
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<NancyL> ZT: Enron was not by accident exposed to the world as the cess pool of deceit it was.  We, and human allies, made sure the information about accounting irregularities got into the righ thands.
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<NancyL> ZT: The New MJ12 at work.
<talon> I cannot tell you
<talon> I have said to much as it is
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise, the facts about the bunker government, as the Secret Govenment plans in operation since Sept 11, 2001 are called.
<NancyL> ZT: Part of the Administration is absent, underground, while the other part is operating in Washington DC.
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<NancyL> ZT: And where are the balancing parts of the federal government, so much touted when discussion about the Constitution are before students and the public?
<NancyL> ZT: Courts and Congress do not count, are not to be saved or salvaged, and THIS says more about the mindset of the Bush Administration than any Enron or frightened face of a cowardly President could say.
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<Fighterr2001> this is scary
<NancyL> ZT: They are outside the law, as they have been since they stole the election by shouting, and enforcing, a STOP THE COUNTING rule, enforced by a Supreme Court never before interfering in elections in this manner.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, our prediction that the Bush Presidency would become increasingly irrelevant will be expedited.
<NancyL> End ZT to Q1 Followup?
<HBO2> what about the assertations of Gray North and others that the identities of the 9-11 terrorists were manufactured by the FBI?
<DavidS> Could we expect more similar attack/terror(as in NYC - WTC) on important buildings in USA or anywhere else on Earth in 2002 or in 2003?Or anything else in the name of Martial Law and World control(New World Order)?
<EW> Why did the military NOT shot down the first three planes on 9/11/01?  They were way off flight plan..plenty of time for F16s!
<new-baco> who was responsabile for the sept. 11 hit?
<matt> Are part of the US/Secret Govt staying underground until after May2003? and is PX the reason they are underground?
<RobH> may not be important but how did those behind the attack SUPPRESS the normal air force response to a plane going off course, having 30-45 minutes flight from albany to NYC?Was this inside military job then?
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<NancyL> HBO2, Z's say Bin Laden et al indeed took a role, just other behind the scenes.
<flipper> Is the Canadian Government in the same boat, Nancy?
<Fighterr2001> Is Sept.11 a set up so the goverment can prepare for the pole shift?
<Fighterr2001> not sept.11 rather war on terrorism
<NancyL> DavidS ZT: Where the terrorists plan many additional assaults, they are unlikely to have the clout until they have recovered for several months.  Bin Laden is indeed alive, and recouping his network, which is hardly devastated.
<rcain2> Go to whatreallyhappened.com and spend a few days reading
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<NancyL> ZT: One can note that key men have disappeared from Aphganistan, nowhere to be found, and will emerge later.
<NancyL> End ZT
<NoN> Why was the NYC plane sabotaged?  Was it a hit on someone in particular?
<Clipper> Can the Zetas tell us where bin laden is?
<NancyL> EW ZT: The military was stunned by the WTC attacks, as the FIRST they were alerted to the planes being off course was when they went into the buildings.
<obany> Clipper: that would be interference, remember
<Akeybear> Didnt the air traffic controllers know they were off course?                                
<NancyL> ZT: Aviation had a missing plane, but given the impact that these big fuel bombs could have, the fact that NO planes were monitored or prevented from flying over nuclear facilities shows the degree of araogance in the US Military.
<EW> military is immediatlly notified when planes off course
<matt> How much of the US govt/secret govt are they planning to "bunker" in time for the Passing?
<NancyL> ZT: They still are not prepared, nor do they have the mind set to prevent attacks, though the public is told otherwise.
<NancyL> End ZT.
<talon> Can you confirm that it was an F16 that shot down the airline?
<NancyL> Clipper, no on where Bin Laden is as interference with Rule, etc.
<Samsara2001> Yes...that's a pretty incrediable and accusation
<RobH> hence the rediculously overwhelming airport security.....
<NancyL> Canada is NOT the same as US, at all.  
<Clipper> Was hoping :-)
<flipper> Good to hear, Nancy
<Nomis> And how can we see the situation in ISRAEL?
<NancyL> EW: They lose the planes per the Z's, and were unsure if they were flying low due to technical problems or what.
<NancyL> Also, the military is NOT efficient, and a single command delayed, by a single person missing or indecisive, and do it.
<EW> makes sense..having experience with military
<talon> nod
<NancyL> I know, I've watched them in MJ12 with horror.  My GOD they can F$%*^ Up!
<matt> lol
<EW> agree
<RobH> it was peacetime as well....
<Akeybear> thats being human for you!
<NancyL> Talon, not sure of F16, but debries shows it was shot down.
<Samsara2001> Nancy - where did you get that information?
<talon> I have additional information offline I would like you to get
<NancyL> Nomis ZT: Israel is being pressured of late to ease back on what is seen, worldwide, as a repressive regime.
<madmax> there was a report on Rense about an unmarked plane in PA near the 4th plane when it went down, search his archive for the the week of 9-11
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<NancyL> ZT: The US Government has for years considered Israel an ally that would stand when all Arab nations turned.
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus the arrogance of those in control, hard liners, ultr-right, in Israel, made for a situation scarsely different from how the Nazi treated the Jews.
<NancyL> ZT: Palestinians are pushed off their homeland, without cause, or incited cause.
<NoN> Still wondering why the NYC plane was sabotaged so quickly after 9/11... motive?
<NancyL> ZT: They are not allowed free movement, are arrested at a whim and killed in jail, and most of this out of the news.
<NancyL> ZT: The street fighting will increase and not die down until steps are taken to right the original offense, land grabbing and mistreatment of Arabs as second class citizens.
<kian> does bin laden really have nukes?
<NancyL> ZT: This is unlikely to proceed to any degree during the coming year, a tense year in any case.
<NancyL> End ZT.
<matt> Can the Zeta's tell how many Govts are aware and hurriedly building bunkers in prep for PX?
<NancyL> OK, going to Q2 part 2 of that Agenda item.
<Bob> Wow!
<coyote> Thanks for the answer Z's
<NancyL> ZT: Prison populations are well know to the public, who hears the horror stories of activities both by the guards and prisoners, in thenews and in the movies.
<NancyL> ZT: The guards are scarsely better than the inmates, being inclined to sadism and lording it over othes when in control.
<NancyL> ZT: During the shift, prisons will spill out and prisoners escape.
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<NancyL> ZT: These will as expected become the primary STS gangs in operation after the shift.
<Samsara2001> Clarification - STS?
<matt> nasty
<Akeybear> service to self
<NancyL> ZT: However, less the public expect Ghengis Khan to reincarnate in essence, the opposite will occur.
<NancyL> ZT: Such gangs require a continuous supply of food and goods to continue a looting and savaging campaign.
<NancyL> ZT: After the shift, supplies will run out quickly, and dead people offer no satisfaction to these mauraders.
<NancyL> ZT: They will quickly, as we have stated earlier, find themselves without the means to keep warm until the morning, and without anything but each other to eat.
<NancyL> ZT: Weakened, and decimated by infighting, they will surcome to disease an defense by STO communities who will give in return the aggression they sense in their attackers.
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<madmax> 9-11 Flight 93 crash in Pennsylvania
<NancyL> ZT: In the US, as we have stated, Texas was to become a prison state so that Bush Sr. could have his hordes in the Aftertime.
<madmax> info on Rense.com
<madmax> http://www.rense.com/general13/yusf.htm
<madmax> http://www.rense.com/general18/sep.htm
<madmax> http://www.rense.com/general18/hiding.htm
<madmax> http://www.rense.com/general13/penn.htm
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<NancyL> ZT: This was setup during the time when Houston also was established as the best stop for a carryon government, in underground bunkers.
<talon> Good job madmax
<NancyL> ZT: Bush Sr. and his STS advisers were scarsely listening to any advice we gave, and thus discounting, omitted to be concerned about flooding in Texas, which will be OVERRUN with a flood tide.
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<Samsara2001> thax madmax
<canuck> that"ll flush 'em out:-))
<Akeybear> LOL
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, prisoners locked in prisons will drown, and those escaping will likely meet this fate, except for a few like wet rats crawling onto shore, alone.
<NancyL> End ZT
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<EW> Are there FEMA prison facilities..intended for the survivors after marshall law?
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<madmax> np :)
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<NancyL> I want to address the last Q's before the hour is out ...
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<Akeybear> Will there be cannabalism in the STS gangs then?
<NancyL> EQ: Zs' have said this is for MILITARY, AWOL or rogue gangs, not civilians.
<NancyL> They'll just gas the civilians, or shoot them down.  They FEAR Military rogue.
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<NancyL> Probably cannot just mow them down, either, as military would not do that to miliatary, without revolt.
<NancyL> RAMTHA & SPALDING
<NancyL> 1. Ramtha and Baird Spalding and both top-notch, both much better than most of what is out there, in my opinion. Yes, Ramtha has made lots of predictions and their accuracy is often mind-blowing.
<NancyL> He predicted the fall of Communism and the year, and China's temporary relaxing, then tightening restrictions.  He predicted some major scientific findings. (more)
<EW> barb wire turned in not out
<NancyL> But then he changed and this new entity seems to just want to feed his ego and gather followers. He has a huge following. Baird Spalding says he took a trip to India/Tibet/Nepal in the late 19th century and published a very widely read series of books about the adepts/mystics he encountered.  
<NancyL> They predicted the commercialization of culture, but did not really make many predictions.  (more)
<NancyL> They were very definitely service-to-others, spent their time healing mostly, and only wanted people to become service-to-others.  They were people of peace, men and women, and did not try to convert or even convince anyone.  But they could do things third dimensional people can't do. Both of these are in my opinion much superior to Elizabeth Clare Prophet, whom they did speak about.  And Sai Baba, who seems to me a very dark entity. (end)
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<NancyL> ZT: Ramtha is indeed a contactee, arrogant and in contact with STS entities as was Tesla.  
<NancyL> He received information and projections allowing him to have a substantial track record on predictions, in order to allow him to gather a large following, which he did.
<NancyL> ZT: As with the STS aliens giving the original MJ12 group ships, supposedly to secure the technology, this was a false promise.
<NancyL> ZT: MJ12 never secured any technology, as dissecting the ships energy source or navigation devices caused explosions.
<Akeybear> oops
<NancyL> ZT: But the myths of a technology exchange for access to American citizens exists today.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, Ramtha, after establishing his initial repute, was no longer given information, as he was considered cutting lose from his bonds by his controllers.
<NancyL> ZT: Frustrated in increasing his scope, he turned to petty control games, revealing his true orientation in these later days.
<NancyL> End ZT ON Ramtha .. more ..
<flipper> Nancy, it is true we implants can be inserted into our astral body without us knowing?
<NancyL> ZT: Baird Spalding like many strongly in the STO orientation has developed a reputation.
<obany> flipper: not related as far as i see
<Samsara2001> According to BobLazar - there was dissection of the crafts and reverse engineering of the propulsion system of these craft - was any of this technology used for praticle applciations?
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<obany> samsara: please wait until after the answer ... Nancy hasnt finished yet
<NancyL> ZT: This is not so much due to acts or predictions, but the simple impact that a strongly STO lifestyle and entity can have.
<Torbj> like giving a hug!
<NancyL> ZT: Like Jesus, who left ALL who heard him speak or watched him in action impressed deeply, Spalding speaks not so much through words as by actions, the true test of orientation.
<NancyL> End ZT.
<NancyL> Followup on these two guys Ramtha and Spalding?
<kunscript> was spalding's series fact or fiction?
<Torbj> fact
<NancyL> Samara, Lazar was hired to DO that, but they were not succeeding.  STS aliens would not have been allowed to give the ships if that could occur, per Rules, etc.
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<RobH> and so the stories of tesla's antigrav and free energy not so either?
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<Samsara2001> Was there an attempt to pilot a craft that resulted in the death of some test piolets?
<NancyL> ZT to Kunscript: Spalding like many who wished a message to remain with those who heard it took liberties.
<NoN> Yes, please expand on Tesla
<jj> do we humans ever come up with anything on our own?
<talon> hot dogs
<NancyL> ZT: The Star Wars series is fiction, but speaks greatly to the true interaction between STS and STO, and the contests mankind finds himself in almost daily.
<NancyL> ZT: The Urantia Book likewise is fiction,but beloved by many for the picture it paints.
<madmax> Tesla http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g34.htm
<Akeybear> but how many oft he aliens in Star Wars are pretty true representations?
<NancyL> ZT: Fiction, or seudo-fiction, often has an impact GREATER than the truth, and is not considered a sin in higher relms if teh mission is accomplished.
<Fighterr2001> What about Ender's Game? If you dont mind me asking
<Torbj> jj:we live!
<NancyL> End ZT
<RobH> just like ET
<NancyL> Samsara, read ZT Governemtn section as indeed pilots get killed when their generals send them out to test fly alien craft.  
<NancyL> NoN testla is explained in ZT already, Orientation I think, I forget the section.
<NancyL> Well folks, its the hour and I have the flu.
<Samsara2001> Can the Zetan's talk more about the twin Earth idea on Zetatalk - that there is an identical dead earth opposite the sun that we cannot see?
<EW> chemtrail flu?
<RobH> soory to hear that
<Akeybear> Hey Nancy - sending healing wavs your way
<matt> goodnight Nancy and thanks
<karen> thankyou nancy and Z's  sending get well wishes also
<talon> Thanks Nancy!
<SteveH> thanks Nancy and Z's!
<NancyL> Had insomnia last night dealing with all the workload I cannot get to, going to STOP web wrapping and insist TEAMs pick up the work on TOPICfrom now on to shift.
<canuck> have a hot toddy, Nancy and go to bed...thank you & Zetas
<HBO2> 65 participants today at one point
<svnmn> Thanks Nancy!  Take care of that flu!
<{homy}> thanks nancy
<karen> again YOU GO STEVE!!
<obany> Thank you Nancy and the Zetas ......
<SteveH> hehe
<NancyL> Focus on media and interviews, ZT such as IRC sessions, and staying healthy.
<NancyL> My heart is not strong.
<Swimchic> why are you people thanking her?
<NancyL> Bye bye!
<Jan> Thank you Nancy!
<Akeybear> bye!
<kian> bye! thx!
<Jan> And good work Steve!
<Fighterr2001> By Nancy!
<Fighterr2001> bye*
<coyote> Thanks N & Zs'
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<obany> swimchic: because of the session and answers ...
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<{homy}> power too you nancy
<Akeybear> swimchic...for the work she does
<Swimchic> what answers
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<SteveH> thanks Jan!
<Swimchic> what work
<EW> usual smart move Nancy!
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<Fighterr2001> What a nice lady :)
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<{homy}> people we got are comunity right here right
<Torbj> Nancy....Sutherlandia frutescense will keep you haTLYHY...
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<Fighterr2001> Darn right homy
<SteveH> bye all!
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<obany> swimchic: www.zetatalk.com
<Akeybear> bye steve
<Jan> Seems like we will both take some heat in the time to come, Steve - hope you like it hot...
<{homy}> we gotta get together
<talon> nod
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<Swimchic> why do you people believe her
<Fighterr2001> I wish there was some way to stop the goverment
<Swimchic> qhy
<Swimchic> why
<Fighterr2001> Swimchic consider this
<{homy}> hello swimchic
<Swimchic> yes
<Fighterr2001> this shadow goverment we have in place
<Fighterr2001> what for? We have all the nukes
<jj> who do you belive swimchic?
<svnmn> swimchic, what are you doing here?
<EW> Swimchic: need to educate yourself
<Fighterr2001> Yes, our enimies have nukes
<Fighterr2001> but we are out of range
<{homy}> she is not the only one conferming the coming of the planet neberu disturbing the earth
<Fighterr2001> so why the procations
<Swimchic> i am educated
<talon> be nice ppl
<jj> i personally am here checking things out
<Swimchic> i'm here because i wanna see what people actually think
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<jj> beats watching tv
<Swimchic> and it's crazy
<jenkins3d> shut the hell up christina, they wont stop
<talon> life is crazy
<Swimchic> they could
<{homy}> yes until it is too late s2imchic
<svnmn> The first thing a newbie says is questions about belief.  gaaaa...
<Torbj> to check things out...listnen to your stomach
<jj> and this is based on one observation?
<Fighterr2001> I can't find any evidence on Nibirus to convince my friends with :(
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<Swimchic> that woman is just crazy
<jj> fighterr2001, i haven't found any either
<Swimchic> that's why she does this
<{homy}> sagaria sitchin
<Swimchic> she wants attention
<talon> I have the same problem, its almost like an instinct. You either have it or you dont
<jenkins3d> so do you...
<svnmn> A fine opinion swimchic, but it is yours.
<obany> swimchick: well she ain't crazy, and she isn't doing it for attention
<Fighterr2001> A old lady has nothing to gain from spreading lies swimchic
<Swimchic> yes she does
<Swimchic> people will talk about her
<svnmn> You obviously want attention, swimchic.
<obany> or are you from sci.astro or so ... then please go to there
<superzod> Tell me Swin: if you came in the middle of a movie, could you tell What went before ?
<jj> swimchic,spent a month observing...think crazy is the wrong word
<Swimchic> maybe
<EW> go swimming swimchic!
<NoN> Swimming will be a quite a useful skill in the near future, swimchic.
<Fighterr2001> what you observe jj
<superzod> You need to be around a while, listen, read to know if nancy is for real or not
<talon> ppl no reason to go madmax now. change the subject
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<svnmn> And think!
<superzod> You can't just appear here ...anmd make statements like that
<Swimchic> yes i can
<{homy}> did we break the record or what above 60 people here folks !!
<Swimchic> it's a free country
<Swimchic> and my opinon
<Fighterr2001> wheres your source swim
<Akeybear> 66
<jj> she believes what she says
<obany> sci.astro i guess
<{homy}> aint it cool akeybear?
<jenkins3d> you believed me when i told you about that stuff in personal law swmchic
<svnmn> We heard your opinion, how many times will you repeat it?
<jj> a decent person
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<Akeybear> yeah!!
<canuck> it's a free country for now!
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<Swimchic> i know but
<talon> anyone here live near lake erie?
<canuck> not for long
<canuck> talon, I do
<svnmn> I live near Lake Michigan.
<Fighterr2001> Swimchic it is awful hard to build a arguement on nothing but your opinions
<jj> but still.....no nibiru i can find
<Swimchic> well you believe in aliens and i don't, it's our opinion
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<Torbj> Think...why are you all here?.....you wouldnīt be here if you woulīd find Nancy a " old lady thatīs want to be talked about"...
<talon> canuck: any idea on what effects to expect?
<Fighterr2001> We beleive aliens because we have PROOF
<Akeybear> so why are you here if you dont believe in aliens?
<Torbj> you are not stupid...
<svnmn> Swimchic, how do you know what any of us believe?  Are you psychic or deluded?  or just shallow?
<Swimchic> because a friend of my was here
<Swimchic> shallow? how do you get shallow
<HBO2> RED: see ya at TT later
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<misiaczek> has anyone of you already chosen a safe place for the time of shift?
<Fighterr2001> Who the hell ever heard about Roswell being just a weather ballon? My fuking god
<Red> k HBO :)
<jenkins3d> im so sorry, i told swimchic about the caht but i didnt know she would do this...
<jj> swimchic probably belives in the good book.....yuck
<canuck> talon - water over 10 mi. from shore and up to 200feet high during shift
<svnmn> Every person here has a different mindset.  Lumping us together is cheap.
<Talkboy> swimchic wants to be convinced...whether swimchic knows it consciously or not
<Torbj> Thr safe plase is in you!
<talon> I'm close maybe 15 miles though
<NoN> Bye all.  I recommend everyone but the witness testimony DVD from www.disclosureproject.org and show it to your friends and family
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<Fighterr2001> I live on the coast
<EW> talon ..need 100 miles
<Fighterr2001> I'm screwed
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<Swimchic> me too
<Fighterr2001> I dont worry
<jj> lol
<Swimchic> i guess i'm screwed
<jj> i moved
<talon> from Lake Erie?
<obany> jj: it seems that you missed the first part of the chat, you joined in later and actualy a good answer was given regarding this :  http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=nl&selm=3C810BB9.F11F8FF9%40zetatalk.com
<Akeybear> I live inland, but close to 3 volcanos
<jj> inland 300 miles
<canuck> be away for a while
<Akeybear> and a nuclear plant
<svnmn> All you need is one tank of gas at the right time...  and a place to go.
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<EW> talon: yes
<Swimchic> so when is this suppose to happen
<talon> Davis Bessie nuclear power plant is right on Lake Erie and so is the Fermi 2 plant
<Fighterr2001> Its alright Akey, we all will be knee deep in shit
<svnmn> On the other hand drowning is quick...
<canuck> Zetas said 10 mi. from coast
<Akeybear> LOL fighter
<jj> swimchic curiousty brings me here,and the people are nice too
<svnmn> May of 2003
<canuck> But I'm moving 300 miles because of hordes from cities
<Torbj> thatīs because you are nace too, jj
<canuck> 10mi from great lakes they said
<obany> may 2003
<jj> lol thabks torbj
<Swimchic> and what are they warning signs
<Torbj> your world is what you are!
<talon> I forgot all about the nuclear power plants
<sirgrim> http://wagd.com/WAGD/ my page on PX, it has some recent news and my theories, you should check it out
<jj> swimchic dont you sense something big is going to happen soon?
<svnmn> Not much obvious warning signs if you don't think about what we already know.
<canuck> power plants will supposedly shut down prior...per Zetas
<Fighterr2001> When the day comes i'm just going to hug and kiss my family, and then go without a whole lot of movin around
<obany> weather changes, more earthquake acivity, slowing roatation, etc those kind of changes
<svnmn> By the time it is obvious there won't be many options.
<canuck> not an issue
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<Swimchic> but if like 66 of you know, then why won't you do anything?
<canuck> swimchic..we are doing somethign
<Swimchic> and if these zetas know, then why won't they do anything
<Fighterr2001> Life has taught me "Don't bitch about the enevitable"
<Fighterr2001> Because they can't
<svnmn> Swimchic, you are just full of assumptions.  How do you know what we are or are not doing?
<canuck> that's why we're here
<Torbj> give a flover....and the world will give you  four  flovers back!
<Fighterr2001> it would stunt our spiritual growth
<sirgrim> i tell everyone interested, talk and warn people, and tell them how to prepare, and prepare myself, what more can you do?
<Akeybear> 66 out of billions? We are doing what we can.....talkimng about it thne talking to our friends..
<Serg> What will happen to California?
<canuck> Calif. = large swimming pool
<Fighterr2001> Riots
<talon> doesnt look good for CAL
<svnmn> Everyone does what they can.  Education is the big challenge to many of us.
<jj> california is unstable to begin with,i moved from there for that reason,plus its too crowded
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Session Close: Sat Mar 02 15:16:25 2002