Session Start: Sat Mar 16 13:24:18 2002
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-IQx-{AWAY]- Welcome to ZetaTalk - http://www.zetatalk.com - Enjoy Your Stay
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<S7L> anyway, XOFF for the topic, I'd like to resume on it...
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<butch> hello
<Torbj> hello
<VonSpark> hey, butchy.
<Torbj> itīs quiet here tonight......
<Torbj> the calm before the storm?
<VonSpark> So, doesn anyone know if we're gonna be getting new images soon? What about the start chart-changing fiasco?
<VonSpark> srtart chart= STAR chart
<obany> vonspark: it's not a fiasco see sci.astro new posting . and well i am sure ther will be new pics sooner or later
<obany> torbj: i am sure more folks will drop in later ...
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<obany> in the chat
<obany> last week there where some 70 people
<VonSpark> last two weeks= 70 or so!
<VonSpark> how exactly do I get to sci.astro..? Hate to be a pill, Obany.
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<obany> people will know by now i guess, usualy i send in a email ...need a usenet client for that like agent or so .. but you can also see it by going to groups.google.com
<VonSpark> ok..!
<Torbj> iīm quirous....itīs one year left....is someone of you really preparing for this?...mentaly and the "hard" way....moving and so on?
<jos> buying stuff, latest assets: big axe, butchers axe, copper piping
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<jos> you ?
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<obany> Hello Steve
<SteveH> hi obany :)
<Torbj> bying seeds....a new house
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<sirgrim> i'm preparing for it, already have been stocking up on LEDs, water purification systems and survival supplies
<butch> i am selling my house and looking to build a dome
<obany> the both steves
<sirgrim> and have been saving up 'special' seeds ;D
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<svnmn> Hi!
<obany> hi thunderoc
<Thunderoc> Hello obany!
<jos> metoo on the seeds, working the family to get them to move one day or the other
<matt> hehe does that mean what i think it means sirgrim? ;)
<SteveH> sirgrim: what sort of water purification systems are you leaning towards?
<sirgrim> matt: yes
<sirgrim> different filters
<svnmn> Took my earthworms out of hibernation today!  I am a little sore...
<Torbj> thats good....this is wat itīs all about...getting people to get aware and take aktion!
<VonSpark> sirgrim and his special seeds!              I am too.    +)
<butch> svnmn: are you harvesting them for food now??
<SteveH> I was thinking of stocking up on the camping type water filters that are available
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<matt> i do too but they need lots of sun unless under lights...
<Thunderoc> brb
<solstice> i'm also saving up 'special seeds'
<Torbj> have you grown the seeds+
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<solstice> ;)
<svnmn> No, getting them ready for full blast procreation.  hoping to double mass every 2.5 months.
<jos> "special" what's that
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<jos> non hybridized ?
<sirgrim> http://www.ccrane.com/first_need_water_purifier.asp
<svnmn> Another Steve!
<sirgrim> may try that
<sirgrim> hehe
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<solstice> yes, non hybridized
<jos> damn, that these are "special" in the usa...
<jos> wow
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<sirgrim> yea it sux
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<solstice> genetics around the world will be lost...
<alankila> one thing sucks about this place and that is that they turn air conditioning off for the weekends
<jos> btw, destilling is best, it's shouldn't be tough, you know when it works so no leaks or faulty filters and mistakes...
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<Torbj> you can grow everything in your apartment right now...start doing it and get the feeling for it...itīs important!
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<sirgrim> i've grown hydro plentya times got a good feel hehe
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<matt> lol
<jos> hey Tor, guess what: i'm growing potato's and tomato's in my kitchen, and more on the balcony!
<jos> =)
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<butch> indoor cannabis is easy;)
<sirgrim> naw i grew tomatoes and stuff too
<solstice> indicaaaaaaaa
<sirgrim> hydro is fun
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<Torbj> love that,jos!
<jos> ya, sometimes i wonder if i will get police at the door
<sirgrim> http://www.ccrane.com/shortwave_books.asp good ideas there too
<jos> it's cool, it's cheap too (growing)
<Torbj> im growinggarlic...a GOOD thing for everyone to grow
<darkness> keeps away the vampires..
<matt> handy...
<sirgrim> the ccrane company will be getting a bunch of my money in the next year lol
<sirgrim> they have some useful stuff
<jos> i tried it but it stayed very thin and weak, same for unions
<svnmn> anybody getting seeds for the post shift climate?
<VonSpark> man...Im at the sci.astro board thru google....those bastards are MEAN spirited! Even IF their assumptions about Nancy were right, they'd be SO MUCH more cruel to talk that way about someone they think is "sick". Awful people to spend that much effort and time badmouthing someone.
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<matt> big problem is unless you have a safe property location stocking up seems pointlesss
<darkness> where u guys all live
<darkness> ?
<butch> svnmn: what do you think will grow best under post shift conditions???
<darkness> safe areas ? or are you gonna get wiped out
<S7L> VonSpark: I might want to remind you that nancy has been doing that talking there for 6 years.
<jos> on the balcony i have carrots and the red/purple blobs with leaves on top (dunno english word)
<svnmn> Yup, I am putting most of my time and $ into education.
<jos> that stuff survived the winter...
<S7L> though not continuously. But enough to be remembered, and with many embarrassing moments also in the past.
<VonSpark> and how self-congratulatory they are over cliched platitudes.
<solstice> i'm taking my laptop
<darkness> n cell fone
<svnmn> Butch, depends on the weather you think you will have later.  I am not sure here though.
<solstice> yeah
<solstice> and tv
<solstice> can't forget tv
<jos> (not much of a winter though)
<matt> lol yes forget it
<darkness> contract tho.. whos gonna bill you ??
<Torbj> you dont havé to wait for the garlic to ready to harvest ....when thw "weed" is about 10 centimeters...just cut the "weed" and use it as garlic....it willl grow out again
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<svnmn> Hi Nancy!
<NancyL> Be right back, doing some file cleanup.  NO Agenda today, so an open session.
<Torbj> this way yuo allways have tha "garlicgoodie2
<matt> until i sell my house
<solstice> oh goody
<jos> hi nancy
<VonSpark> I don't doubt that SL7...but, IF you think the person in question (in this case to them, Nancy) is insane or whatever, its totally wrong to egg her on like that. They come off as frat boys who pick on the developmentally disabled kitchen help at the college cafe.
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<Ogmios^> hi nancy and zeta's
<darkness> why do they ignore us solstice
<S7L> VonSpark: perhaps. The style of the sci.astro discussion could leave a lot to hope for
<darkness> are we inferior because we are from south africa?
<Nomis> Hallo nancy: My question is: Do the Zetas know what happens after our death!!!I mean the spirit and our seel
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<Leek> never fear 4 i is here
<darkness> hey leek
<matt> no one is ignoring you
<S7L> but it's the price of being an open discussion board, and also having people who do not take alien embassadors particularly seriously.
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<NancyL> Nomis, this is in the Density section.  When We Die writeup, very good, go read it.
<S7L> hello karen. Right place this time :)
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<mikeaus> hey S7L,Red,IQx
<karen> thanks! :)
<S7L> ah yes. Greetings, Nancy.
<darkness> is planet x going to hit or just come past us ? sorry i am not too clued up on this issue
<S7L> darkness: it's going to sweep past
<VonSpark> thats true SL7. I find myself frequently disappointed at people's inability to be civil in a public posting situation....be civil and dont get personal, I always say.
<sirgrim> good day nancy
<S7L> but with results that are still cataclysmic
<darkness> near russia?
<VonSpark> Beat em up with reason!
<NancyL> Darkness, this is in the Pole Shift and Science sections.  It's a passage.
<svnmn> darkness, you need to read the faq -- i.e. the zetatalk site...
<VonSpark> Hey Nancy.  =)
<S7L> VonSpark: well, much can be said for sci.astro and equally much can be said about the tt-personnel writing on sci.astro
<S7L> suffice to say that I somewhat dislike the whole thing
<darkness> yes but reading is so much more boring than asking questions and having them answered
<matt> ahh laziness...
<NancyL> In the Rogue Planet TOPICs http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword032.htm there is even a diagram of the passage.
<darkness> :)
<S7L> darkness: we still aren't going to do the reading for you
<darkness> you arleady have :)
<NancyL> And in the Science section, a whole paragraph of linking to writeup on the passage.  Very detailed.  Go read it.
<darkness> already
<Leek> bad darkness
<Leek> hehe
<svnmn> darkness, it is rude to waste everyone's time.  hint hint
<matt> hear hear
<NancyL> Darkness, you MUST go read to get caught up, before asking questions.
<S7L> darkness: anyway I shall refuse to answer further questions for you, just so that you do your own reading. I am somewhat irritated by people who refuse to read and rather bother others for it, in fact.
<darkness> right right
<HBO2> about 1,000 hours worth
<VonSpark> its homework kiddo!
<Torbj> the second return....is the atmosfere, thatīs starting to "refresh", going to be as dim as with this first pass?
<NancyL> Darkness, you must be considerate to those who HAVE done their reading, and have NEW and unanswered questions to ask.  Else you are being a little kid.
<svnmn> I am on my second reading of zetatalk.com and still picking up tidbits...
<S7L> this is because I tend to help people with programming language questions and some people just pathetically waste everybody else's time with off-topic questions hoping that somebody will help them out just so that they don't need to do the work themselves.
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<darkness> calm yourself - one person telling me is enough i dont need to hear it 100 times
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<matt> unfortunately this sort of behaviour is going to escalate in the months ahead :(
<NancyL> Torbj, the second pass is 2011-2012 time frame, and we will be on the opposite side of the Sun, so only high tides and the like.  
<Grudda> Guten Abend | Greetings | bon soir
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<khl456> how soon will the earth start slowing down a second a day?
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<S7L> khl456: there is an answer to that which would suggest year 2003 or so
<obany> Hello Nancy
<NancyL> Matt, you said it!  You should see my e-mail.  I kind of understand when the folks are in a panic, just realizing, however.
<Torbj> *smile*...god for my garlicīs...
<Angelic> wb obany :)
<scrip> Question - breatharians say they don't eat and we actually don't need to eat.  Thousands of them say they don't eat.  If true, this would have implications for the post-shift.  Is this true?
<mikeaus> what's happened to Hazelwood, Nancy?
<VonSpark> Nancy( or anyone else)...why isn't PX going to tug at us from both sides of the elliptical orbit? In other words, when it gets to the other side of it's speedy, elliptical orbit after zipping around the sun, why doesnt it get us agan..? Too far out on its departure?
<S7L> khl456: basically, the zeta answer was that by the end of this year, we should be 1 minute off from the schedule of normal rotation
<NancyL> This past week I got an email from someone in Texas, just realized the situation.  What should they DO was the basic screech.
<matt> Nancy: I fear this sort of thing will become so disrupting...what to do?...
<S7L> scrip: it's not true.
<NancyL> I found myself very grateful that I could point to 1. the nonprofit booklet, 2 the Safe Location (per Zetas) booklet, and 3. Pole Shift section of ZT
<S7L> scrip: the human body finds it quite impossible to deal without any kind of food.
<NancyL> Script, this has been addressed many time, they are LYING, and there is not confirmation of their claims.
<scrip> St germain was never seen to eat and a whole lot of quigong practitioners don't eat - they call it bigu.
<NancyL> Script, I think this is in the Myth section, living off light or some such.
<mikeaus> isn't it called starvation?
<VonSpark> mikeaus:I saw Hazelwood posting at Yahoo message boards just recently. He's very intolerant of those who are skeptical, calling for their removal from the board for being disagreeable.
<NancyL> Mikeaus, Hazelwood what?  Do you mean, where did he go?  Explain please.
<sirgrim> i can use my mind to supress emotions, and breathing for longer periods than thought, but they say most of what you do is in your mind.
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<mikeaus> just wondering if he's still running his scam
<S7L> sirgrim: there is a limit to it however.
<mikeaus> thanks Von Spark
<sirgrim> S7L yea i know
<VonSpark> he's still running his scam!
<NancyL> VonSpark, I think it most likely does, but we will have so many after shocks and problems, any interference from PX outbound and returning or whatever will not be noticed.
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<svnmn> Knowing one's limits is good.
<sirgrim> but i can do it for a good amount of time
<sirgrim> great for ticklings etc ;D
<Domicile> Nancy, Last I heard Ft. McCoy in WI is planning to build about twentyfive 150' diameter monolithic domes ASAP.
<obany> still running it's scam but not for long i think
<NancyL> Script, this is myth, not true, per the Z's.  Go try it and see how YOU fare!
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<Torbj> if you are not human....then your "feeding" may be different than "putting something in the mouth2
<NancyL> VonSpark, yes, he's not getting his way, which is to make $$$ BIG time.  Probably not having a good day.
<sirgrim> you can warn off hunger for a period, but you cannot change what the creator made and stop eating entirely, it's what we are designed to do.
<NancyL> I asked a DVD producer, who was writing to me during this time, to "raise money" for him (Hazelwood).
<S7L> sirgrim: exactly. I am very good at ignoring hunger, but would definitely die without food.
<VonSpark> thanks nancy!
<shaddyslim> does Nemisis have planets revolving around it?
<veCil> Are the infos. given by the zetas 90+% non influenced by your Consciousness
<veCil>  ?
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<NancyL> What a jerk.  And giving away MY information, and Sitchins, etc. and calling it his "book", and charging for it when it is on my website for free, etc.
<NancyL> You can tell I love the guy.
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<mikeaus> hehhe
<SteveH> hehe
<matt> lol
<NancyL> Domicile, interesting!
<VonSpark> heheehe...yeah, he seemed a bit terse and cranky. You gotta be able to deal with the skeptics and put down the debunkers, rather than dismiss them. Hazelwood illegitimizes himself by doing so.
<svnmn> shaddyslim, sorry, but you need to check out zetatalk.com too.  faster than asking repeat questions here and getting reprimanded.
<NancyL> Shaddyslim, who cares, as being a dead sun they are dead planets.
<mikeaus> I don't think Hazlewood would have many friends anymore
<tizza> what is happening about the chemtrail issue?
<NancyL> veCil, more than 90%, I would say 99.999999%.
<sirgrim> i think chemtrails are used to try to correct the weather changes px is making, but they are having huge mistakes. but that's my opinion.
<mikeaus> it is NOT weather related
<NancyL> VonSpark, he also cannot answer questions himself.  I has plagarized, has NO source himself, and is trying to keep the facts straight.  Something he does not do well at.
<veCil> Then could u answer me mathematical questions who cant be solved by the humans but by the zetas? would that work?
<sirgrim> i think it is
<mikeaus> there is human tissue in it=red blood cells
<butch> they've been laying them on thick here...:p
<tizza> but why is it still going on?? is nothing being said about it still?
<mikeaus> why the blood cells then?
<S7L> vecil: not likely. That kind of info, by the zt history, just isn't forthcoming.
<sirgrim> why not use something natural to create something natural like weather, have you created weather?
<sirgrim> i havn't, so i wouldn't know what to use
<NancyL> Tizza, this is in ZT as Contrails, check back along the What's New pages from ZT home page and you will find them.
<SteveH> veCil: that's not done here
<VonSpark> Oh....theres an AWFUL debunkers site that tags Nancy as being like Jim Jones, Koresh, and Doe. Its VERY funny, since Nancy has never asked for $, told anyone to live in her secret village, nor requires that we sleep with her or become uenichs.
<sirgrim> but 3 days ago we had mad chemtrails, then it snowed for 3 days with a very eerie fog
<matt> lol
<NancyL> They are wealthy elite, making the mob sick, so they tell the US military who lets them do it (it is not a govmet thing), but then actually intend to poison the mob, come the time.
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<VonSpark> The mean-spirtitedness of THAT site only makes Nnacy look MORE legitimate, since it draws STARTLINGLY illogical conclusions.
<VonSpark> i.e., methinks you doth protest too much!
<obany> vonspark: i have seen that page ... kookwatch or so .. some folks mentioned it on sci.astro accusing us for being cultmembers etc..
<matt> url VonSpark?
<NancyL> veCil, no, I Nancy am not a math person so I cannot answer in Greek either as I don't speak Greek.  I must be somewhat on the same page, for it to flow.
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<NancyL> Sirgrim, creating weather?  Are you asking if the Z's can create (affect) weather.  Yes, I know they can.
<VonSpark> ummmmm.....gimme some time, and I might be able to provide it. It's not one I saved, only laffed at yesterday.
<matt> ok np
<S7L> vonspark: what kind of illogical conclusions?
<jos> nancy, can the zeta's transmit things like "9....,....8.....1...." etc
<S7L> vonspark: I mean, if error is in logic level it's very easy to correct.
<S7L> jos: you are asking if the zetas used nancy like a typewriter?
<NancyL> Vonspark, yes, I agree, the debunkers do themselve in without any help :-)
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<obany> jos: what do you mean by that ?
<Angelic> lol S7L
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<VonSpark> yeah! Kookwatch. Its SO OBVIUOSLY set up to discredit ONLY nancy, as the others are all dead. In the meantime...why leave the Raelian french dude off the list? HES a cultist, with his deviant sexual practices and all.
<Torbj> are you aware of busch anousement to take up nuclear testīs again+
<superzod> Nacy: is it true the ZETA knows (in advance) who will be particpatin here and their THOUGHTS ?
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<Torbj> sorry for my spelling
<jos> oh just wondering (s7l/obany)
<S7L> vonspark: oh well, some people have developed a quite serious dislike for nancy, I guess.
<mikeaus> yes the Rarelians are an obvious cult
<NancyL> Jos, this would be so prone to error.  And the CONCEPT us what they give to me, then I put words to it.  If I cannot put words to a concept into GREEK, likewise not MATH (Greek to me).
<mikeaus> raelians
<matt> hey SuperZod :)
<superzod> hi matt
<S7L> and maths IS partly greek, haha.
<NancyL> I did have high school calculus and did well, A's etc. but long time ago, etc.
<S7L> (witness the alphabetics)
<mikeaus> they're asking for 100 beautiful women to "breed" with Rael *L*
<jos> aha, so single numbers don't work
<NancyL> It is irrelevant, anyway, as humans will not get high tech from ZT math, and then human math is all WRONG, we use zero and they do not, for instance.
<mikeaus> and produce embryos etc
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<NancyL> A language barrier so to speak.
<VonSpark> not to overstate it S7L, but anyone who offers a view beyond the limited scope of earthy science on consciousness usually gets a foot in the face.
<Angelic> Torbj, Busch wants to take up nuclear testing because he wants to see a new type of nuclear weapons developed (this has to do with the alledged 'war on terrorism' (leave out the "war" word) ;)
<S7L> NancyL: we have a difference understanding why the zetas do not use "zero" and what does that mean
<NancyL> Jos, yes, nuclear missile tests I thought.  
<S7L> the zetas say, if I remember right, that there are no "absolutes" in their science/mathematics
<NancyL> Vonspark, they hate the messenger.
<S7L> but I'd think a zero is useful as concept, as number.
<mikeaus> (I've given up on physics-
<darkness> NancyL: sorry nancy i just am having a bit of a tough time grasping the concept here, why do you refer to humans and "zetas" as two different groups - what are you?
<mikeaus> I think humans are just too dumb ;)
<S7L> Vonspark: not really. If the view is COMPATIBLE and can be understood it's not going to be dismissed so easily
<Torbj> mmm...and the "tradewar" (steel) against europe...
<Angelic> mikeaus, agreed
<ToxicTwin> hello
<mikeaus> and Australia
<VonSpark> Oh...AND they hate the messenger on top of it! You should disguise yourself as Ashcroft, Nancy! Then they'll listen!
<S7L> darkness: heck, I'd also refer to humans and zetas as two different groups
<ToxicTwin> i'm a fan of nancy
<VonSpark> ;)
<NancyL> Vonspark, even when they are wrong, as in stating the Sun reverses fields every 11 years or so, then Ulysses proved the Zetas RIGHT, and they just can't admit it!  
<Angelic> Torbj, Busch is putting the USA in an awful position
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<SteveH> darkness, you need to read at least the first few pages on zetatalk
<tizza> i heard they exempted bhp in aussie?? i asked myself why?
<Torbj> a "closed" u.s.
<S7L> NancyL: but the entire sun's magnetic field issue appears quite complicated
<Angelic> very yes
<mikeaus> no,they haven't..only a tiny %
<NancyL> But the readership comes out now and then and shows that more than the dozen or so loud mouthed debunkers are reading, so they lose.
<S7L> I can't say I'm an expert but I can see it's not at all trivially settled
<darkness> well im sorry but the zetatalk site doesnt want to load
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<ChiefSimi> Nancy, Can I ask a question to the Zetas? I mean, when do we begin?
<S7L> darkness: well, next time you can read up. Suffice to say that nancy is nancy and zetas are zetas
<solstice> it's them poor routing tables darky
<mikeaus> mainly cause our SAS guys rescued some 10th Mountain Division troops at Sha-i-Kot valley
<darkness> oh right so u guys rate yourselfs higher than everyone else
<NancyL> S7L, Ulysses found the field EXACTLY where it was a solar minimum 1994, no change.  Period.  Not complicated at all, just in human theory!
<obany> i guess it's time to begin ?
<Angelic> we begin now actually i thought..
<cybervviz> darkness, it works fine, clean Your cache
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<mikeaus> jeez darkness chill out
<sirgrim> http://216.220.173.201 try that it could also be your domain name route
<mikeaus> I'M not SAS :/
<darkness> cybervviz: im in south africa.. net is very slow to international sites from here
<NancyL> Chief, yes your Q.  I already have a couple lined up from this chat so far.
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<Angelic> darkness, some will some won't, you can't say we are all the same
<S7L> NancyL: yes, maybe so. I can't argue it because I don't want to make a mistake because of basic lack of knowledge
<Nomis> The Zeats say that the sun activitie will get bigger when the planet comes near the earth, but now we can see that the activitie of the sun beome lower!
<cybervviz> then You can Use public proxy
<ChiefSimi> thank you
<NancyL> I think: Chemtrail and weather, and Nuclear test and isolationist trade as in steel, etc.
<VonSpark> its easy to out-shout them, when even if their illogically determined conclusions seem to be based in fact, are still incorrect. Its liek telling 50 people who saw a UFO they had a "group hallucination"..is THAT easier to accept than a UFO, 50 people sharing one persons collective unconscious?
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<veCil> btw. what is the agenda 4 tonight?
<SteveH> open session
<obany> open
<NancyL> Nomis, the Zetas did NOT say that, someone else may have.  Zetas said the sun does not CARE.
<darkness> what makes you a zeta Angelic?
<svnmn> Nancy, I am just generally curious on the zetans view of late political developments world wide.  Activities of the world bank and IMF.  Stuff like that.
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<NancyL> OK, going to start, and adding Svnmn Q.
<Angelic> darkness I did not say I was, hmmm, where did I say this?
<NancyL> First: Chemtrails/Contrails
<Nomis> Ohhh sorry, than i have read it wrong
<obany> darkness: if you can't load www.zetatalk.com www.zetatalk3.com
<darkness> i didnt accuse u of saying.. just asked incase you were
<NancyL> ZT: Lately activity has picked up, and not without reason.
<darkness> ok obany.. /me tries
<mikeaus> Ashley (from Perth) if you are here could you pls pm me?
<Spanky000> ok wouldn't the new MJ12 helping bring down Enron be interference and not allowed?
<cybervviz> sttt..
<obany> quit everyone during the answer
<obany> quiet
<NancyL> ZT: We stated recently that the ulterior motive was to poison the masses, when the time came, not simply make them ill with flu.
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<tizza> does anyway know if purifying water thru condensation methods will clean all relivant "nastys" from volcano dust etc?
<veCil> psst
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<S7L> tizza: if you extract the water from having been in vapour phase, yes.
<tizza> :/ sorry
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<jos> tizza, yes that is it
<Jan> Nancy, if the agenda is open: There is a Planet X video from www.planetxvideo.com. wher you as well as a number others participate. Do you have any further information on this?
<NancyL> ZT: Recently, the Bush Administration has gotten harsh, in their retoric, in their policy toward Palestininans vs Israel support, in their intent to take on Iraq after all these years.
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<obany> Jan: wait .... :)))
<NancyL> ZT: They have imposed trade embargoes, in essence, on steel, an insult to their Russian partners.
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<NancyL> ZT: After providing barbeque to Putin, they pushed a mud pie in his face by announcing that Star Wars missile tests would continue, only throwing a bone Putin's way by aggreeing to reduce nuclear war heads overall.
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<NancyL> ZT: One would think that the Bush Administration was on TOP, the economy going well, but lets look at the facts!
<NancyL> ZT: Enron is so sticky close to the Bush Administration they will not scrape it away, as they are well aware.
<darkness> sigh
<NancyL> ZT: The economy, in spite of loud nightly news casts pronouncing a short recession on the wan, is floundering, as the little man knows looking about him and at his paycheck.
<darkness> none of these sites wil work
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<NancyL> ZT: The War on Terrorism is a loss, Bin Laden not only not dead but his network hardly damaged, as renewed activity on their terrorists part will soon reveal.
<NancyL> ZT: European allies are disgusted with the retoric against Iraq, so long left in place by the senior Bush President when he could have been clean up at that time of the Gulf War.
<NancyL> ZT: So how does this affect Chemtrails, or Contrails as they are sometimes called?
<NancyL> ZT: Frantic to seem on top of matters, and making one mistake after another, the Bush Administration went TOO FAR in revealing their plans among themselves to insiders not completely on board.
<NancyL> ZT: Distracted with anger, and casting about, words were said in meetings that would have been kept close in more controlled and confident times.
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<NancyL> ZT: Horrified attendees, who were under the impression that flu and temporary illness ONLY was to be the result of spraying the masses on the move toward carry-on government enclaves or those of the wealthy elite, realized that MURDER of citizen, of all ages, was the intent.
<NancyL> ZT: Babies, women with small children in their arms, struggling toward what they assumed were the government camps, to be poisoned!
<NancyL> ZT: Arguments broke out, and with the lack of MJ12 use of Zeta travel services, cloaking and the perfect intel that our telepahty affords, they would NOT be sure who knew, and who did not.
<NancyL> ZT: Sputtering appologizes, excuses that misunderstandings had occurred, and this was NOT the intent, were made.
<NancyL> ZT: Because the Bush Administration and their allies could not be sure how far the truth had spread, they felt they would NOT succeed in their ultimate plan, to poison the public should they threaten to rush the camps with demands that food stuff and shelter be shared.
<NancyL> ZT: They fell back to the stated plan, to sicken, not poison, and went over this plan as to practicality.
<NancyL> ZT: Of course, desperate people will struggle on, even if sickened, as they are ALREAD sickened with starvation and injury and driven by great fear.
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, new spraying methods are being tested, now in early 2002, more heavy coverage, different chemicals as vehicles, and eventually, differnet flu bugs.
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<NancyL> ZT: Expect this, and also slips and leaks as to the campaign, WHO is conducting it, and WHY.
<DraganR> ;o)
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<NancyL> ZT: As the campaign heats up, and word of the REAL agenda of the perpetrators, countering maneuvers will occur among those horrified and disgusted at the Bush Administration leadership.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<sirgrim> what can you do to keep yourself healthy?
<mikeaus> are troops being built up in the Gulf? Kuwait? SArabia?
<tizza> heck of an answer  .. thankyou :)
<SteveH> is CS effective against chemtrails at all?
<matt> what can the Zetas tell us about the alleged deaths of many micro-biologists lately?
<darkness> when is CNN and other news broadcasters going to tell the world the news
<NancyL> Oh, I didn't cover nuclear tests and isolationshist trade.
<darkness> ?
<NancyL> And world bank and IMF.
<S7L> darkness: never.
<Jan> Can chemtrails be expected in countries currently not experiencing them?
<someguy> Will Bush be forced out of office by Enron before the PS?
<Spanky000> when the new MJ12 put forth information to break up Enron, wouldn't that be considered interference and not allowed?
<Thunderoc> I have noticed a flue bug that is much stronger in the BC canada area..after Chemtrails.
<NancyL> OK, parts i missed...
<Angelic> SteveH, CS is effective against bacteria and viri, I don't know about chemicals
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<NancyL> ZT: Up until the banking system is in a steady slip toward a crash, the facade that moneys can be provided to bail out bankrupt countries will be maintained.
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<NancyL> ZT: The banking industry relies SO heavily on confidence, as does the Stock Markets, that even when a slide is well in place they will deny.
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<Torbj> you can use the "orgonecanon" to split it up
<NancyL> ZT: When the slide is excellerating, they will disappear into "no comment" and be out of the public eye.
<VonSpark> I have a sneaking suspicion we can count on Bush to use a nuke (probably a small one) to distract the world from the PX story...do the Z's see THAT kind of duplicity occuring? Seems to me, thats a plan, given the shedding of the ABM, and the desire to make nuke talk so "main stream" again.
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise with sabre rattling such as renewed nuclear tests.  This is to keep OTHER COUNTRIES nervous, so they do not attempt to pressure the US toward truth or sharing precious resources such as food stuffs.
<obany> vonspark ... Nancy is adressing some other questions now... better wait until after the answer to aks
<obany> ask
<VonSpark> oops. sorry.
<NancyL> ZT: The starving of the world are only fed when it is OBVIOUS to the US public that starvation is occurring, such as in Aphganistan.
<NancyL> ZT: Here stick babies lying along the trails were in the news, so some meals were sent in.
<NancyL> ZT: Of course, this starvation had been going on and will CONTINUE, henseforth, when the news stops.
<NancyL> ZT: To keep those countries that might attempt to make a plea, a demand, or even threaten the uS in some way to force a giving hand, the US is sabre rattling with nucelar tests and missile tests.
<NancyL> ZT: To help shore up the US economy, trade embargos will be put into place, an issolationsit practice that comes naturally to the Bush Administration.
<NancyL> ZT: This is another stop gap attempt to keep the inevitable from happening, a total economic crash, but will only go so far.
<NancyL> ZT: In the meantime, allies are disgusted and will fail, increasingly, to coorperate with a US gone insane, intheri view.
<NancyL> End ZT:
<Thunderoc> Is there a way to protect children and others from the spraying in chemtrails?
<HBO2> we should look for trade embargos against which countries, in particular?
<scrip> Angelic, what is this CS that is effective against bacteria and viruses?
<NancyL> I saw some Q's about how to stay well during chemtrails.
<cybervviz> Q: Can You give more scientific formula's to us (orbit PlanetX, Your law of speed of light) in algebra ?  It should be great to dispose an unknown formula, that should increase Your credibility and boost Your message to the outside world.
<NancyL> HBO2, not sure at this time, as this is in the hands of man, etc. could go many ways.
<jos> this economic crash, is it coming soon (month'), or will it be a long wait until close to may 2003
<Angelic> scrip, Colloidal Silver, if you hang on I will send you a link
<NancyL> ZT: Chemtrails sicken, today, and unless an individual is sickly to begin with, will not do more than create an illness like flu.
<duane> Good Q Jos
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<jos> thx :)
<NancyL> ZT: Since the blanketing is NOT intented to spread over wide areas, the wind eventually dispells the fog and sunlight and oxygen destroy germs.
<darkness>   rattling with nucelar tests and missile tests.
<darkness> [00:28] <NancyL> ZT: To help shore up the US economy, trade embargos will be put into place, an issolationsit practice that comes naturally to the Bush Administration.
<darkness> [00:28] <NancyL> ZT: This is another stop gap attempt to keep the inevitable from happening, a total economic crash, but will only go so far.
<darkness> [00:29] <NancyL> ZT: In the meantime, allies are disgusted and will fail, increasingly, to coorperate with a US gone insane, intheri view.
<darkness> [00:29] <NancyL> End ZT:
<darkness> woops
<darkness> sorry
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, one must be misted, fogged, walking under the dropping droplets, so to speak, or not affected.
<Torbj> month 11
<Angelic> scrip: http://www.zetatalk.com/health/theal202.htm
<NancyL> ZT: Something as simple as staying indoors, in your car with the vent closed, will protect you.
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<NancyL> ZT: Certainly, when the shift approaches, to be in heavily populated areas targeted by the Bush Administration should be avoided.
<VonSpark> cyberwhiz: Nancy isn't a physicist; the way I understand it, our math (an intellectual by-product of our earth bound evolution and reasoning skills, doesn't apply outside our sphere of influence the way we feel it does. Look at the unexpected slowing af deep space probes to point to that.
<NancyL> ZT: No point in getting sick, and since this campaign is in the hands of man, and the Rule of Non-Interference prevails, it is POSSIBLE that poisons, not flu germs, will be used.
<NancyL> End ZT.
<ChiefSimi> Regarding mankind current theories about time. Is it true that a watch on the mountain top would go slower than the one on the lowland? Or is it true that time passes for an individual differently travelling in space far from the effects of gravity?
<NancyL> What Q's did I miss?  Going to look back ...
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<cybervviz> math is universal
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<scrip> Thanks Angelic
<duane> Nancy Jos's Q
<VonSpark> Nacy, not being a physicist, is unable to translate the scientific "data" into something usable to our science. Or, maybe Im getting it wrong.
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<cybervviz> Nancy can, she's smart enough
<Thunderoc> How is it possible to radically increase immunity in a human..coming up to the shift?
<tizza> same here duane
<S7L> ChiefSimi: yes, this has been measured
<svnmn> Get your lymph ph up above 7.2.  Boosts immunity.
<Torbj> immunity is within your own "thimking"
<NancyL> Spanky asked a good one, on Enron as interference, going to answer.
<ChiefSimi> OK, and why?
<Nomis> When will the economic crash come?
<Kian> eating raw, naturtal foods helps immunity
<Thunderoc> so Oxygen therapy?..what turns the body'PH alkaline
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<obany> hush now until after the answer :)
<VonSpark> basic mathmatical tenets are perhaps universal, but the Zetas, as I understand it, don't use "zero" as a numeric value or expression. Go figure.
<NancyL> ZT: The Rule of Non-Interference states that aliens cannot interfer in mankind's affair unless The Call is given so that consultation with a human RESULTS in action.
<svnmn> Calcium.  Sodium.  major body alkalyzers.
<Torbj> month 11
<obany> hush now .. until after the answer k ?
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, for instance, ZetaTalk, composed of thousands of pages now, answering thousands of questions from humans, which are considered The Call.
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<NancyL> ZT: In that our arrangement with MJ12 was allowed by the Council, to balance a trick maneuver the STS aliens visting the US military just AHEAD of the Earth Vote which resulted in a "not conscious" rule re visitations, our open discussions with MJ12 were allowed.
<NancyL> ZT: Balancing the environment for STO and STS deliberations among 3rd Density entities is not new, as for instance the giant hominoids from the 12th Planet were put into quarantine, removed from Earth, to effect this balance.
<NancyL> ZT: Even without MJ12, the New MJ12, the Enron revelations might have occurred via contactees.
<NancyL> ZT: If a contactee is distressed, wringing their hands, over a situation, and give The Call, and we inform them as a result of WHAT information might be most damaging, when given to WHOM, then a contactee might have effected the Enron scandal.
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<NancyL> ZT: As it happened, the humans within the New MJ12 effected this, by a computer snaffu whereby information supposedly deleted was instead MAILED and broadcast.
<NancyL> ZT: This was done by humans hands, and thus we, the Zetas, did not interfere.
<NancyL> End ZT to Spanky, going back ...
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<NancyL> Chief asks about time, a good Q:
<cybervviz> Vonspark, they know for sure translation methods to our algebra.  And even in our algebra we can setup maths in a numeric plane were 'zero' doesn't exists.  Math has different numeral planes (natural, binary, complex, etc).  I insist, the formula's could be converted by Zeta to ours.
<Thunderoc> So if thousands of Humans gave the call simultaneously...could the Zeta's then be given the go-ahead with regards to stepping up the pace of Information disemination..in order to forward the STO agendas?
<NancyL> ZT: Time, as we have stated, is a FACTOR, and when we go back in time we do so by manipulating this FACTOR in equations, causing time to regress.
<obany> insisting won't help
<cybervviz> just a play of words, i am not english
<NancyL> ZT: Indeed, as a FACTOR, it is a variable, and can be affected by other factors.
<NancyL> ZT: However, for man, who can only theorize, and cannot test as he cannot manipulate the other factors involved, time seems immobile.
<NancyL> ZT: So-called proofs of this or that theory are only paper proofs, NOT laboratory proofs.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, to say that within the solar system, within your lifetime, on the surface of the Earth, time can be slowed or sped up, is a falacy.
<NancyL> ZT: Indeed, during your next life, you will be presented with so many new concepts this will seem like childs play, something a simpleton would must about.
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, we suggest, since you are shortly going to be presented with more problems than you will be able to deal with, and problems that will tear at your HEART, that you put this aside for now.
<NancyL> End ZT.
<NancyL> Thunder re The Call:
<VonSpark> I don't necessarily disagree, cyber! However, Nancy herself would probably have to do that translation and as smart as she is, Im saying it might be more to chew than she's capable..! No real training in astrophysics has she. A person may see a series of pictures on a large stone tablet, but only an archeologist would recognize it as the Rosetta stone and be able to make sense of it. You see my meaning?
<VonSpark> I will be still now during the ZTalk.
<NancyL> ZT: The Call is answered without delay, and based on several criteria is answered en mass and with intensity, or almost ignored.
<NancyL> ZT: First, during the Transformation, a Call from someone who could be influential is given priority over a Call from someone having impact only in their neighborhood or household.
<sirgrim> could a call be made to stop chemtrails so people can not suffer?
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise, a Call from someone on the brink of making a serious STO decision will be given priority over a Call from someone well in the midst of deliberation between STO and STS, essentially sitting on the fence.
<obany> sirgrim: wait until after the answer that's better :))  
<NancyL> ZT: Would a MASS CALL be given more attention?  In the first place, there is no such thing.
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<NancyL> ZT: Each individual gives the Call based on their own concerns, and even if in verbal and conscious agreement, on this or that day, at this or that hour, to put forth a Call with great intensity, these Calls would DIFFER.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, we are back to treating the individuals.
<NancyL> End ZT to Thunder.
<Thunderoc> Thank You NancyL: ZT :o)
<ChiefSimi> Thanks for the answer, originally Longint's question. He cannot be here know.
<NancyL> Sirgrim re Chemtrail call.
<cybervviz> Q: Ok, other way out.  Give some very short term predictions or other things so we can increase the credibility.
<obany> cybervizz: that would be interference
<cybervviz> this chat is already interfering
<NancyL> ZT: Since the Call is for a conference, as we as aliens can only CONSULT, the best that could be done would be to inform, and encourage, a concerned human to TAKE ACTION themselves.
<Torbj> credibility is within you!
<VonSpark> plus...Zetas ain't Miss Cleo! ;)  <---------shaddup, now
<obany> if they say this or that eartquake will occur this or that day ... you have been here a couple of thimes .. and that will send them packing as you might have read then
<NancyL> ZT: This is what we expect, during the Chemtrails/Contrails drama, that disgusted humans will leak information to the press, will create accidents whereby this information is revealed, etc.
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<NancyL> ZT: In all cases, action is by HUMANS, not aliens as parents coming to the rescue.  YOU are in charge of the world, your Earth, and YOU must take action to make a difference!
<sirgrim> if i knew i'd go tell everyone i could
<NancyL> End ZT to .. whomever re call for chemtrails.  Going back ...
<sirgrim> they can kill me i don't care people will be saved and the government will look like fools
<NancyL> Nois on the Crash ...
<NancyL> ZT: The exact time and date of an economic crash is something we are frequently asked about.
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<NancyL> ZT: This is in the hands of man, in the main, and could be delayed by months past a predicted point based on news casts, and the sacrifice of various wealthy individuals willing to dispell some of their fortunes toward this end.
<NancyL> ZT: Then there is the issue of erroneous reporting, as today, where crops shortages are simply not reported, and weather changes and the rising seas swollowing islands in the Pacific are simply not reported.
<NancyL> ZT: If an economic crash is well in process, but the news does not report it, then to YOU, this is not yet occurrring.,
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, unless one has inside information, and knows what signs to look for, the slide will not be evident.
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<Torbj> month 11 is clear to everyone!
<NancyL> ZT: Our best advise to the public, anxious to make best use of their funds, is to NOT invest in the Stock Market, NOT hold back from buying solid material items that can help them, such as seek or camping gear or tools.
<matt> torbj: ?
<NancyL> ZT: How can you go wrong in leaning to garden, or planning to get close to nature?
<NancyL> ZT: These are in any case good investments, not so much to make money as to improve your life!
<NancyL> ZT: Spend time with your children in the woods, learn simply survival techniques like eating weeds and fishing under primitive circumstances.
<NancyL> ZT: This is a BETTER vacation, a BETTER use of your time and funds, than sitting on the sofa and counting riches you probably don't have today!
<NancyL> ZT: Paper money, and stocks, give a false sense of security, as history tells you.  Get REAL!
<NancyL> End ZT to .. womever.
<MSG_55110> The little guy will be the one hurt by the crash, and not the elite with inside information if they stay in the stock market
<Jan> Will the economical crash make it difficult (or impossible) to stock up when we get closer to the PS? I.e. should all investments be done during 2002?
<tizza> wouldnt the point of crash determin a time of much greater "unrest"?
<sirgrim> good question jan
<Bob> Does this mean Alan Greenspan is aware of the false buffers currently holding up the stock market?
<Torbj> you should all DO!
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<NancyL> Cyber, short prediction?  They stated that PX will be visible to amateur mid-2002. That's soon enought :-)
<NancyL> Jan re timing to stock up.
<NancyL> ZT: We have advised that hoarding, stocking up, can work against one more easily than not.
<NancyL> ZT: Large purchases are noticed, even now and for some time.
<Torbj> you canīt just talk oyur way trough.....DO....DO....DO...!
<NancyL> ZT: Unless one is shuffling purchases so that they are no longer AT the purchaser's home, they can be located.
<NancyL> ZT: Your neighbors likewise not how much you cart into your house.
<NancyL> ZT: It is possible that those stocking up, considered hoarding, will be made an example of in the last days.
<cybervviz> Nancy, it is not enough for me.  Make another one, and if there is no event, well, put some formula's online
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, the best laid plans can result in a NULL, with your supplies given to others or simply take away.
<NoN> cyber - go hire a magician if you want tricks
<NancyL> ZT: The best approach is to secure KNOWLEDGE, and begin to garden and farm, indoors or wherever.
<NancyL> ZT: This skill will NOT be taken from you, will NOT be considered a threat by anyone, including the government.
<NancyL> ZT: And you will be less of an attraction to gangs, those who look to loot.
<NancyL> ZT: We do NOT advise stocking up, beyond some simply supplies that would not be considered hoarding or an attraction to looters.
<ToxicTwin> Nancy: do the Zeta-Reticuli know our literature.
<NancyL> ZT: In this, you keep a low profile.
<NancyL> ZT: The looters will go to the wealthy enclaves, so any large stores will be dissipated in any case.
<NancyL> ZT: Meanwhile, you get away, to safe locations, to meet with others of like mind, to establish a simple way of life.
<sirgrim> i've been burrying my  stock at a predesignated safe location, far away from prying eyes and noone is suspecting anything right now anyway, and it's not a long supply just enough to hold me over to build schelter
<NancyL> ZT: Skills, and experience, and the ability to produce or secure food stuffs from your environment, is the ticket!
<MSG_55110> If we have debts should we try to pay them off before the crash begins, or just let it ride until after the PS?  If we let it ride, would that be a STS action?
<NancyL> End ZT
<Jan> If the stocking up is for a survival site (e.g. medical supplies, tools & equipments etc.) is the recommendation still the same? Will the hoards be interested in this also?
<NancyL> Well, we're past the hour.
<VonSpark> cyberwhiz: If the Zetas predicted Id have to leave for work in like 5 minutes...they'd have been right! Yer treating the Zetas like the "Miss Cleo of the cosmos", and I don't see you forking over $3.99 a minute!(American dollars)  ;) Thanks Nancy, and everyone else who put up with my prattling!
<sirgrim> maybe 6 people for 6-12 months
<ToxicTwin> .
<S7L> thanks nancy, it was interesting.
<NancyL> Jan, sure, to be clever, divide up and have in many places.
<Torbj> msg...by asking that q....yuor not an sts!
<svnmn> Thanks Nancy and the Zetas!
<jos> how about burrying stuff ;)
<NancyL> Depends, I think, on what a looting gang would value!
<Jan> Thanks Nancy!
<NancyL> Manybe they don't care about hammer and nail, but canned beef, YES.
<SteveH> thanks Nancy & Z's :)
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<Torbj> youre aware!
<NancyL> next week, all, and thanks for coming and inspiring great ZetaTalk!
<VonSpark> bye all! Take care Nnacy!
<Nomis> Thanks Nancy
<Thunderoc> I was thinking about large culverts..six feet or more..and burying then, stocking etc..as a possible inexpensive temporary retreat/storage during the shift.would this be wise?
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<scrip> Thanks Nancy and Z's
<NancyL> Bye bye!  Going for a walk to stay healthy and build up my immune system :-)
<matt> bye Nancy
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<Thunderoc> thank you Nancy again! :o)
<Angelic> hehe
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<ToxicTwin> thanks nancy
<MSG_55110> thanks Torbj!
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<MSG_55110> Thanks Nancy
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<Angelic> nice log, too
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<Torbj> eat garlic, Nanc
<Angelic> Torbj, she left already hehe
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<Thunderoc> this is a great bunch of People!  /me ((((  (( Hugs The Room!  ))  ))))
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<tizza> hehe :):)
<Thunderoc> Bye all :o)
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<Torbj> im slow
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<coyote> Garlic is good the kidney, you should eat it Torbj
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