Session Start: Sat Apr 06 13:58:58 2002
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*** Topic is 'follow up questions can be asked after the answer is being given (follow up questions )'
*** Set by obany on Sat Apr 06 13:57:54
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<NancyL> But then I got to thinking that this is  maybe just talk, first reaction, not actual actions or reactions to problems presented, so one should not judge too quickly, etc.
<NancyL> OK, the hour is here, so ZT in answer to Q1.
<DavidS> NancyL - who is the unexpected visitor?:-)
<Bob> That's true. Some have returned w/ questions about what to do.
<obany> hush now ... :)
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<NancyL> ZT: A common reaction among humans when first contemplating the pole shift as presented by us, is to think that the better option is to go out with the tidal waves, go down under quake debris, or be blown against a wall by high winds and have it all over with quickly.
<NancyL> ZT: We present a scenario of stuggle to survive in the first place, with travel and terror and living a dual life of uncertainty due to the establishment cover-up.
<NancyL> ZT: Getting past that as a short term problem, the larger problem looms like a dark cloud.  Life in the Aftertime is fraud with dying forests, lack of livestock or flocks or wildlife to eat, and gardens that will not flourish.
<NancyL> ZT: Add to this the description of a Mad Max world, where a set of laws and a governing body will be nonexistent or turned toward self-service, marauding gangs and the need to live forever in a low-profile mode to survive.
<NancyL> ZT: Then the time frame of a 25 years volcanic gloom, with climate change requiring vegetation to adjust as well as try to re-grow, and it seems a LONG way off before one can sit on the poarch in the evening, enjoying the evening.
<NancyL> ZT: Those with children despair that they will be educated, will life to adulthood without health problems besetting them, rotting teeth, painful disease, only to find they are bearing offspring into a world that is a nightmare.
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<NancyL> ZT: Those in poor health envision that they will become a burden on others, fear this will occur in slow steps so they will be unaware of it, perhaps senile or comatose due to starvation, and unable to control their life at all.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, there are HUGE worried to anyone taking the message semi-seriously, and the first though is that this is a nightmare to be avoided.
<NancyL> ZT: So, given this perspective, what IS there to live for?
<NancyL> ZT: Those strongly in the STO have no problem with this scenario, as they quickly sort out what life for OTHERS will be, and make their decisions accordingly.
<NancyL> ZT: This is no different than what they experience during everyday today.  They may be told they have cancer, but consider who is dependent upon them and plot their life accordingly.
<NancyL> ZT: They may be told someone in the family or a neighbor is going to fall on hard times, and adjust their own lifestyle downward to take them in and share what they have.
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<NancyL> ZT: They may be told someone nearby has defaulted on their responsibilities, and step in without hesitation to fill the gap, being a father to fatherless children or whatever.
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, those strongly STO would not be likely to utter a phrase such as "why live?" as they KNOW why troubled times in particular REQUIRE one to be there for others.
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<NancyL> ZT: Those strongly STS sort this out in a similar manner, but in the other direction.
<NancyL> ZT: As with their everyday decisions, they look over the situation to see how it might be taken advantage of for their own pleasure or power position.
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<NancyL> ZT: Since victims can be presented at any time, they assume MANY victimes and looting and plungering and savaging potential galore in a post pole shift situation.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, those highly STS will also not be likely to say "why live?" as they are licking their chops and rubbing their hands together.
<NancyL> ZT: The undecided are the ones likely to make the statement, "why live?" as they do not polarize in either direction, but rather think of their OWN life, and how they interact on a daily basis with other, or what they have come to expect as their daily fare.
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<NancyL> ZT: The focus is the self, but as a child focuses on the self.  How will this affect ME, what will I do when presented with this or that without the resources I've dome to expect will be available to ME.
<NancyL> ZT: The immature spirit pushes the post pole shift scenario out only so far, to the edges of the cocoon they see their life as, and see this cocoon NOT THERE.
<NancyL> ZT: The job will be gone, friends and family may die or wander off, the store shelves empty, the government offices simply not staffed, and whom to they go to with their complaints?
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, it is the immature, the undecided, who will present leaders in the Aftertime with motivation problems.
<NancyL> End ZT on Q1 and will continue with motivation when doing Q2.  Followup?
<jubjub963> How does one deal with STS people who come and try to take your groups' food/possessions or join up with your group?
<Torbj> thanx!
<Bob> Wow. Insightful.
<TerrorDactyl> What about the people who's spirits will disintigrate after death, they are caught between the devil and the deep blue see - eithe annihilation or a life of misey in the aftertime
<sirgrim> nicely said
<longint> As we can read in the transformation activities topic (t36), that one of the key points of the Transformation is that the people should find each other. Can the Zetas give some clues how to do that, to find similar thinking people more easily.
<NancyL> ZT to Jubjub: STS are best dealt with in an avoidance mode, by keeping a low profile.
<Torbj> Love them1
<Torbj> !
<IMO> Nancy, how can you claim I imaged your planet when the objects you have circled were there years ago? That's STN, not STO!
<sirgrim> does every human have a soul?
<obany> IMO: this is NOT SCI.astro
<NancyL> ZT: Should you find yourself face-to-face with them, this is no different than a situation in your world today, being mugged or raped or intimidated.
<DavidS> IMO was the unexpected guy,Obany...as Nancy said:-)
<NancyL> ZT: Our suggestions have been to see you BEST asset as your knowledge, as this cannot be taken from you.
<Torbj> STS can´t cope with real love pointing at them...it will make them want to go away!
<NancyL> ZT: STS will not lift and take seed or fishlings from you, but run off with portable and immediately useable supplies.
<obany> no chatter during the answer please, and no questions that are not related to the agenda
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, having LESS in supplies, and growing only what you need as you need it, is the best approach.
<NancyL> ZT: The STS will leave you, going elsewhere for better looting, or perhaps not even bother you at all.
<RC> torbj you need to face reality
<NancyL> End ZT to JubJub.
* S7L was just about to suggest same, RC
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<Geobyte> izrudi
<Torbj> tell me rc
<NancyL> ZT to Long: Those who are contactees or listening to their knowledgable souls, will be guided to others of like mind long before the pole shift, and certainly afterwards.
<canuck> but to grow what you need as needed, one needs to stockpile quite a few seeds
<strcpy> sichki sa oligofreni no i te ne go znaqt qvno
<RC> you'll be taken like sheep
<NancyL> ZT: As Nancy frequently said, "listen to your gut", as hunches, strong hunches, are often the strongest clue that something OTHER than what is before you is in your databanks.
<NancyL> End ZT.
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<longint> How do those so called accidents function that we all experience in our life?
<obany> i agree on that, about the gut feelings .
<NancyL> IMO, I see TWO stars there, a small on in your image that indeed was there all along, and a large one just UNDER this that is NEW, but not there on 1/19.
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<NancyL> I'm not alone in that take, as many have written me to say that they see this, as obvious.
<DavidS> NancyL - IMO was this unexpected guy?
<NancyL> No IMO is not the expected guy, no.
<Chevy> What is the topic ??
<NancyL> OK, onto the Q2 part...
<NancyL> 2. With this in mind, I was thinking of a way to give people a perspective. Namely, people need a good hint at a society, functioning without money, in a free, democratic way - a hint toward an alien civilisation. A hint that real "comunism" is in fact possible, not something that collapsed a few years ago. If the hint is good enough, many people may switch from their current thinking of PS as a catastrophy toward thinking of PS as a ch
<obany> chevey: there is a agenda, and it deals now with life after the pole shift how to deal with it etc.
<NancyL> ZT: The undecided have MOTIVE in life according to immediate pleasures, in the main.
<Chevy> thank you
<NancyL> ZT: When they see suffering, before them, they feel compassion and may be motivated to give of their own good, or assist, giving of their time, but this motivation vaporizes as soon as the painful situation is out of sight.
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<NancyL> ZT: They quickly react to a threat of having their lifestyle diminished, or expectations of THEM increased such that life becomes more work and less play.
<Chevy> Nancy...are you reffeting to the Zetas???
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, to motivate a spiritually undecided individual is, in the main, to present them with suffering, without a buffer, or to present them with a BETTER life should they do this or that.
<NancyL> ZT: In a survival group, where undecideds are mixed in with strongly STO individuals, the undecided should NOT be allowed to avoid the sick room or pathetic crying of hungry infants.
<NancyL> ZT: Force them into this presence, as choices will be made.  They will either rise to the occasion and give of their time, being the better for it overall, or get hostile.
<NancyL> ZT: If the individual gets hostile, they are making and orientation decision, that THEIR comfort is more important that assisting the suffering of others.
<NancyL> ZT: In this, the group can decide if they wish to have this member as a continuing drain, given the obvious orientation and mindset.
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<NancyL> ZT: If they grow toward empthy and assisting others in pain and need, then they may in fact make a rapid trasit to STO orientation, a bonus.
<NancyL> ZT: In focusing on the future, making a CLEAR distinction on how the life of the individual, as well as the group, will be better should this or that task be done, works well with the undecided.
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<NancyL> ZT: This is not unlike a parent motivating an immature child.  They get desert if they do the dishes, get to watch TV if they finish their homework, or get to go to the park if they clean their room.
<NancyL> ZT: In the case of a post pole shift survival group, the carrot can be more variety in the diet, less hunger, warmer or dryer quarters, or a change to sight see a bit and travel.
<NancyL> End ZT to Q2, will to Q3 after followup.  Followup?
<IMO> Your statement about two stars (not planets!) is simply wrong, claiming so is STN. For a careful look at Nancy's claims, see http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/
<TerrorDactyl> Will it be possible to remain undecided in the aftertime - given the difficulties of living in such times, will people be forced to go down either the STS or STO route and therefore polarize into either camp. Will the percentages in STS/STO orientations change?
<obany> IMO : again this is not sci.astro ... what you are saying is not a follow up question imo
<NancyL> IMO, that's not what my eyes see, not what the triangle shows (different angle) and drumming on me will NOT change my mind.
<Torbj> imo , you ar scared1
<Torbj> !
<obany> those who wish to read, sci.astro they can use a usenet reader or groups.google.com .. right now this is not the place for it .. not during the session please
<NancyL> Terror ZT: We have predicted that basic orientation will remain the same during the pole shift, as there is so much distress that the tendency to focus on the self is high.
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<NancyL> ZT: However, SOME will be forced, by the exegencies of the situations, to become more selfish, more STS, and as we have described, SOME will be driven by the suffering of others to become more STO.
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<NancyL> ZT: Overall, the death rate will take out all orientations evenly, but afterwards, STO will be reincarnating, so there will be a gradual change.
<NancyL> End ZT to Terror.
<Torbj> those who focus on them selves...can they really be "turned" by the events to come...or ar they "stucked "with this orientation
<TerrorDactyl> thanks ZT
<NathanLaird> Will STS entities be prevented from coming to Earth by other means than reincarnating?
<NancyL> ZT to Torbj: The undecided move toward STO or STS during their many lifetimes DUE to the presentation of moments of decision.
<S7L> Torbj: nothing external may force orientation change, so the job is 100% up to the individual. Basically I guess it's not one of the most favourable conditions for STO development however
<NancyL> ZT: A burning building, when normally all would run out or run away from danger, but here young children are trapped and not expected to be able to figure out an escape route.
<Chevy> I am new..please forgive me...what is sto and sts?
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<NancyL> ZT: The undecided stops thinking of every man for himself, and contemplates what those young children must be feeling.
<obany> service to Others - Service to Self .. you can read about that in the Orientation section of zetatalk
<NancyL> ZT: In a flash, a decision is made to dash in and try a rescue, a decision that has moved the entitiy toward STO.
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise, someone undecided, sitting on the fence in a life of relative ease for all, is face with small food supplies for many mouths.
<NancyL> ZT: The get up in the night, when the crying of the children with belly aches has quieted, mometarily, and take the food and disappear into the night.
<TerrorDactyl> has god brought about a pole shift to create an STO earth, or is it just by chance that this planet is coming by now?
<NancyL> ZT: They have likewise make a decision, to be MORE STS.
<NancyL> End ZT to Torbj.
<Torbj> bow my head!
<NancyL> Terror, in ZT.  Council of Worlds in Rules.  PS is a natural occurence, like tornadoes or cancer, and WE are to grow spiritually because of this.
<NancyL> Read a bit!
<NancyL> OK, Q3 ...
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: and your question indcates a form of thought that things like pole shifts were punishments perhaps, as in "repent or suffer".
<Torbj> god brought you here, Terror
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<NancyL> how advanced they are. If they could have done this even if they destroyed their planet, so can we live through PS."
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<NancyL> ZT: In that the undecided are the ones that will exhibit lack of motivation after the pole shift, this would NOT be a good approach.
<NancyL> ZT: First, they would not relate!  An STO lifestyle in fact seems dull and uninteresting to the undecided.
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<canuck> Nancy, the first sentence of the Q is not showing
<NancyL> ZT: All that attention to duty!  All that serious conferencing with each other!  
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, to present an STO alien lifestyle as a motivation to the undecided would be a waste of time.
<RC> this seems very scripted
<NancyL> ZT: Those in the STO orientation are ALREADY highly motivated, due to the perceived and anticipated suffering of others.
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<cybervviz> no she is channeling, this is common.
<NancyL> ZT: Those in the STS orientation would flick off such as travel scenarios, in that they would sense the empthy and connection between entities and suppress this in themselvdes.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, the Awakening proceeds, with wise hands at the helm, and this does NOT include digitizing the 4th Density STO lifestyle, though we appreciate the questioners motives as well intended, highly so.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<cybervviz> first sentence
<RC> ha
<abk> the question didn't come through.  could you repeat please?
<TerrorDactyl> will travel be possible then in the aftertime, by means of vehicles other than by foot?
<Bailey> are there options for thoes who have lived a life of service to others before the shift and already started the stransition?
<NancyL> Abk, the Q was listed in 3 parts, check the log or read it later.
<abk> no, the third part is missing most
<NancyL> We have 10-15 minutes, I'll throw open to the group.
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<NancyL> Questions?
<DavidS> maybe IMO have some questions?
<S7L> obany, can you post the part of question we missed?
<NancyL> Terror, please read the PS section of ZT.
<Chevy> I am new what is STO and STS
* S7L bets IMO has a lot of questions :-)
<NancyL> Bailey, I don't understand the question, Options?
<JoeyB> Nancy, will other alien groups be joining the Zetas in the immediate aftertime?
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<Torbj> go with your dreams...or convert your car to alcohol....ore bicycle....ore horse....
<Dan33> Being STO would bring with it plenty of stress trying to help everyone, what would the zetas recommend to help deal or releive stress?
<NancyL> IMO is here to bludgeon me :-)
<cybervviz> Q: If STO units will be constructed, what will be the level of consciousness for those units, will they choose leaders or not.
<longint> How do those so called accidents function that we all experience in our life?
<obany> yes but this is not sci.astro ... and there are people with other questions too etc..
<S7L> cybervviz: and what do you mean by "sto units"?
<S7L> and "level of consciousness"?
<cybervviz> groups of people livind in STO
<NancyL> JoeyB, the Zetas have stated that 40 groups, over 1,000 life forms in total, are participating already.
<NathanLaird> Nancy, good to see you. Very pleased. Keep up the great work. Send Z's my hello's.
<DavidS> NancyL, I talked about responsibility in Sci.astro - about responsibility of our actions in life - could Zetas talk more about this - especially listening to ZetaTalk etc?
<S7L> 32b: what accidents?
<longint> That are not accidents :)
<obany> that things in life happen with a reason ..
<longint> just seem so
<Bailey> will some escape the things to come through devine intervention or assistance?
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<NancyL> Dan33, physical exercise will be the stress reliver.  If you're STO you'll work till you drop.
<S7L> 32b: I don't understand. If you have an example it might be easier to figure it out.
<TerrorDactyl> what size of group should people congregate in during the aftertime? For practical and food purposes are we talking 50-100 or 10,000 or entire countries?
<RC> Z Stichen says Px due 2030 not 2003
<NancyL> Cyber, STO chose their leaders, natural true-vote method.  
<longint> For example if you meet somebody not planned but important, accidently.
<NathanLaird> I hope the awakening accelerates after the shift. I am so tired of being isolated as a planet from other intelligent life.
<cybervviz> perfect
<longint> If you decide something, but not knowing why you did it actually.
<Torbj> Terror...be yourself...and the group will grow around you
<NancyL> DavidS, not sure what you mean, listening to ZT is NOT a responsibility.  I though your postings good, you stated YOU were making YOUR choices for YOURself.
<jubjub963> what will likely happen in the middle-east in the aftertime?
<S7L> 32b: ah. That kind of thing. Coincidences.
<Torbj> the numbers are not important
<NancyL> Bailey, dream on!
<longint> Yes. Thats a better term.
<longint> I would like to ask, how these are arranged
<DavidS> NancyL - someone say you are responsibility for your words in ZetaTalk -and I think it is wrong - what could Zetas say about it?
<NancyL> Bailey, are you cured of cancer today?  Saved from the tornado today?  Why would tomorrow be different?  This is your schoolhouse.  You're going to get an opportunity to GROW!  Take it!
<obany> and just don't invite everyone etc etc.. to join your group .. that's a good advice to i guess ...
<Bob> Will PX be imaged again before mid 2002?
<cybervviz> Q: Can You give more details about the alternative system for money -  i am thinking to setup a 'share' website
<DavidS> I mean responsible for other people...
<NancyL> Terror, group size depends on climate, country, resources, orientation, a lot of factors.  No pat answer.
<NathanLaird> I am surprised the Annunaki are still not evolved enough to heal our past and be in contact with us. Or are we not ready yet?
<NancyL> RC, Sitchin is NOW saying 2030?  Hey!  He used to say 1,000 years out!  Good for him, he's connecting a bit!
<Okidok> NancyL;; are you gonna celebrate christmas next year???
<Dan33> Nancy, you had mentioned something about a form of Communism that would work after the pole shift, could you elaborate?
<Bob> ...or are all large telescopes being blocked from "that area"?
<Domicile> Q on wind: If wind is caused by uneven heating of earth's surface, how would total cloud cover effect wind after PS?
<merylong> ".....40 groups, over 1,000 life forms??.... Who and where are they, and how will they help during after PS?
<obany> Better to have a group, that is STO then have a group with a lot of undecided folks who might turn sto
<Torbj> you can invite as many as .... but only thos that are in line with your 2vibration" will ansver
<NancyL> Nathan, the Z's said Awakening by local group, readiness, etc.  YOU may bring it about for your group.
<canuck> small c communism..where the group works together for the good of all.. from each according to ability..to each according to need
<TerrorDactyl> When will it be known among the general populace that there is an unknown object in the sky viewable by all that is unexplained by scientists - in other words a trigger that will serve as evidence for the people reading zetatalk - confirmation if you like
<RC> plan your poleshift party in advance folks!
<NathanLaird> After a shift unfortunately I don't think we'll be having these chats this way. We will lose many distance relationships. But I am sure we will get many new close ones.
<NancyL> JubJub, the Zetas have predicted NO county to country major war, regardless of sabre rattling, best guess on their part (in human hands, etc.)
<obany> for some folks even pictures and sightings of that planet might be not enough, and that they will be in denial till the end
<NathanLaird> Nancy, I'm doing my best! At least a dozen people I have told about these things have told a dozen others, so the numbers are increasing ...
<NancyL> ZT to JubJub re Middle East: Devastated by the pole shift, those in the Middle East embroiled in conflict will find themselves distrated from their petty quarles.
<RC> dozen others prob talking about crazy Nathan
<Torbj> Terror...that was cleraed in swedish and spanisch telewision yesteraday...."a 500 year away comet" they called it
<NancyL> ZT: Their countries lie on fault lines, in the path of volcanoes which will belch, and MOST survivors of multiple pronged disasters sit stunned until death overtakes them.
<TerrorDactyl> torbj - you have a website for that?
<NathanLaird> Actually the response has been very positive and has generated many late night discussions and research by many people. I am very proud of them. But some of course deny it, like my wife. I respect their decisions either way.
<S7L> obany: however those people will be in minority
<NancyL> ZT: Imagine the World Trade Center disaster, WITHOUt rescue.
<S7L> when we get a real good picture, I would estimate a bulk of those on some kind of edge would be tipped
<NancyL> ZT: No food stuffs brought in, no financial rescue, no media attention.
<Jean-Marie> if alien STO lifestyle can not be a motivation for undecided, could the human STO communities that the Zs have mentioned be a motivation?
<Torbj> terror...no....just watched the television...
<NancyL> ZT: This is in essence a depression, where less and less is done, as time passes.
<Chevy> namcy...It is so hard to convince people..is there an easy way???
<cybervviz> yes scientific prouves :-)-
<NancyL> ZT: Illness sets in, and those stunned and unable to see a way out are at last given their way out, quietly.
<S7L> Chevy: it depends on people. If you honestly want to "convince" anyone, it means basically a very long collaboration
<NancyL> End ZT to JubJub.
<TerrorDactyl> Nancy, why cant we have proof in advance?
<NathanLaird> I welcome the challenge to do more to serve others, as many others feel the same way! So we will do well, Zetas. Mammalian-based intelligent species has high caring and compassion, etc.
<NancyL> Terror, please read Awakening section, I think you've not begun!
<cybervviz> just a little one :-) prediction, ufo, mathimatical formula that doesn't exist :-)
<Chevy> S7L..what is STO and STS...
<JoeyB> Nancy: Any more feelings on the "other shoe dropping"?
<S7L> Chevy: first, read the orientation section. It's a simple thing but not easy to explain
<NancyL> Terror, re the undeniable sign, yes.  Zetas say for 7 weeks before the shift, visible in the sky as red object.
<TerrorDactyl> no, i mean why cant we have proof of planet x, we might as well because it is going to happen anyway
<NancyL> Then a week before the shift, rotation stoppage.
<NathanLaird> Cybervviz, read the whole zetatalk website, that is something that didn't use to exist. There is nothing else like it. It is proof enough that it is extraordinary.
<kirk> the thing about the asteroid was all over the evening news in the uk too
<NancyL> Not one can claim they are taken by surprise!
<obany> some thinking, some folks things that they should build big structures like domes etc before the shift.  Wich is not adviceable i think.. Better to build such a structure afterwards ... when things settle own .. As for what i read the Hybrids also will be here after the shift with their communities and not before ... right ... If one thinks about the distruction of those structures ?
<kirk> i dont know how it coul dhave anything to do with planet x though
<NancyL> Getting close to the hour, and I'm going to sign off in 30 seconds.
<obany> a dome that coul collapse for example ?
<obany> could
<obany> etc etc...
<NancyL> Thank you all for attending and inspiring great ZetaTalk.
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<NathanLaird> Nancy, it's never long enough. Let's get you a 100wpm typist so we can get more questions in! Thank you very much for your time.
<RC> obany good luck on finding supplies and equipmenta after poleshift
<NancyL> It was a ZT answer other than what I expected, I always learn something myself!
<merylong> nancy why don't zetas like to talk about other alien groups and how they are helping the transformation?
<NathanLaird> merylong: rules of engagement, see www.zetatalk.com
<obany> RC: have them at hand before the shift and buil afterwards
<cybervviz> feeled smoothly, mmm
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<Torbj> hey Nancy....what are you going to do now?
<NancyL> Merylong, they DO, read the Rules, Worlds, Transformation, etc.
<Chevy> Not being very good with astronomy..is the PX visiable with a store bought telescope??
<Torbj> eat?
<NancyL> Bye bye all!
<Torbj> or take a walk+
<obany> RC: have them at hand before the shift and build afterwards
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<cybervviz> bye
<SWB> Thank You Nancy and Zeta's
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<RC> obany prefer mono dome in safe location
<Torbj> love you!
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<SteveH> bye all
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<Trizz8> ah wonderful flippin timing
<dew> thanks nancy!!
<NathanLaird> Chevy: not yet, see www.zetatalk.com. There is lots about sighting it, etc. I think around mid 2002 we will see it in amateur scopes.
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<Cool007> seen @dell-adsl-65-171-106-14.baraboo.com
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<FunBot> I don't know who @dell-adsl-65-171-106-14.baraboo.com is.
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<Cool007> seen *@dell-adsl-65-171-106-14.baraboo.com
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<FunBot> I don't know who *@dell-adsl-65-171-106-14.baraboo.com is.
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<IMO> Chevy: Planet X has never been seen by any telescope!
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<Bob> Will the time next week be different with daylight savings in US?
<Chevy> Thanks I am keeping track of all this info....and planning a survival camp
<NathanLaird> Cool007, that's the DNS name of Nancy's computer.
<Trizz8> is anyone actually going to change their life in the next year because of all this
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<Trizz8> out of curiosity...
<obany> okay ... this channel is not sci.astro ... so for those who like to discuss that ... ... goto sci.astro or so ...
<Cool007> NathanLaird, ya, i know :>
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<obany> imo is from sci.astro
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<Chevy> All I hear is PROOF!!PROOF!!PROOF!!
<S7L> but he HAS a valid point.
<Torbj> as here in europe...your time is to be "modulated a fue minuits
<NathanLaird> Cool007 :-) You never know, you get all types in these places. :)
<S7L> but anyway, *reads sci.astro*
<Cool007> hehe
<Cool007> greating from Bulgaria, and fgod bless you..
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<obany> but this channel is in fact not that place for that ..those who want to read about those discussions.. groups.google.com ... or create a own channel or so somewhere to talk about that
<NathanLaird> Trizz8, not really. Some of my family doesn't want anything to do with it, so I maintain their known lifestyle until their death. And who knows, it may not happen. When it happens, I'll be ready.
<DavidS> IMO=Openminded
<Chevy> Thanks for all the info!!!
<obany> DavidS: yes that's that guy
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<S7L> Chevy: and to your answer -- no. You can't see an object nancy claims to be a planet x easily at all.
<Trizz8> obviously everyone should keep a certain amount of skepticism but the fact that the idea is known puts those above the dumb pubilc
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<DavidS> Obany, who do you think was this unexpected guy Nancy talked about would have been here today=
<DavidS> ¨?
<S7L> at most, it appears that you can take a relatively long-exposure CCD and compare it to star charts and then may find something that could or could not be planet x. It's not obvious, if there .
<Trizz8> so if it starts goin down, you know whats up. if it doesn't then eh it was thought provoking......
<NathanLaird> Obany, that's right. We come here to have responses to our questions, not to interrogate Nancy about what she claims. :-)
<cybervviz> look an IRC ufo : ....._-^-_.......
<Chevy> SO it won't be visable until the last moment??
<NathanLaird> Trizz8: that's right, I'm not quitting my day job, because it could still not happen. But at least read all this stuff, be aware, so you know how to deal with it instead of it being a surprise.
<S7L> Chevy: this is a little problem. Nancy has claimed it's visible without question to observatory sometime early 2001, but judging from the pictures it's anything but obvious
<obany> chevy : for amateurs mid 2002.. but realy vissible withouth a telecope 7 weeks before time
<S7L> but the claims is amateur astronomers begin to pick it up sometime around summer 2002 to december 2002 when it should be pretty obvious
<RC> S7L  nice of you to add some sense
<S7L> so, 2 months to the planet x season?
<S7L> I must say I find myself sceptical.
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<RC> Nancy bases prediction on Mayan 2012 and spring plants in Mamoth's mouths
<Torbj> Nathyan....qiut your job...eavening this is happening or not1...the thought is there within you!! follow it!!!
<Chevy> S7L...it is tough to believe...
<NathanLaird> S7L: Skepticism is healthy! Me, too. Blind faith is useless.
<RC> Mayan 2012 equals 2003 Gre
<NathanLaird> Torbj, oh do we have psychics in the room now? :)
* S7L thinks doing anything that may burn bridges beghind oneself si unwise until real hard evidence comes
<cybervviz> Hé ? RC, explains ?
<S7L> by all means, do some basic catastrophe preparedness. In today's world it seems only sane
<jubjub963> basically if nothing hard in 3 to 6 months, then we'll know
<NathanLaird> S7L: Exactly.
<merylong> obany what is the "amateur astronomer" standard equipment to spot planet x in mid summer 2002?
<cybervviz> 2012 = gregorian , no ?
<S7L> but before you fuck off with your boss, quit your job, and take a 2-million loan from bank, consider that you want to be pretty sure ;p
<Chevy> I guess I will keep taking notes...and find that perfect place in Colorado
<Torbj> Nathyan...as psycic as you are!
<jubjub963> or at least if i don't see more evidence in 6 months,   then it's been fun heh
<cybervviz> S7L don't forget karma
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<S7L> karma? what are you saying?
<cybervviz> :-)
<NathanLaird> Torbj: I have a family to support, so I won't quit the job until I have something else to take care of them with.
<cybervviz> when You fuck off Your boss, and fuck of banck company, you have karma for it
<S7L> oh, yeah
<obany> merrylong: from zetatalk "Until we reach that date, we will hold off on the details, as giving too much ammunition to the enemy allows them to arm themselves against this information. Amateurs will not be kept waiting, as we will provide the information and specs in time, for them, to succeed.
<obany> "
<S7L> it wasn't meant to be particularly serious. I recognize it's a bad idea to do that.
<Torbj> and when the job is quitting you?
<obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p139.htm
<cybervviz> Q 2 RC : please explain Yourvision 2012 is Greece ( i thought it was gregorion)
<Torbj> relly on yourself!!
<Torbj> alllways!
<Bailey> Hi guys, I have been reading your groups for a long time now, I never post but feel like I know you, love Reg
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<NathanLaird> Torbj: we keep our eyes peeled for something better. How's yours? :-)
<merylong> ok obany, let's wait then for details
<Torbj> sorry about the thre l:s
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<NathanLaird> Bailey: you bet. All us crazies know each other. ;-)
<RC> cyber yes 2003 gregorion equals 2012 Mayan
<Torbj> nathan..jobs?
<Torbj> or lifes?
<NathanLaird> Torbj: source of income in this life! ;)
<Bailey> especialy you Nathan LOL :o)
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<Torbj> you do not actually need an incom at all!
<cybervviz> RC Do You have some sources, because this is grrr
<NathanLaird> Bailey: since I use my real name, it kind of narrows it down to about 6 people in the US, so you might know me.
<Torbj> but if you feel like you are in the need of one
<RC> cyper this is where Nancy comes up with her prediction
<NathanLaird> Torbj: well they need water, electricity, clothes, food, housing, land, telephones, computers, internet. How do you get these things without money?
<Torbj> be relaxed and quit your job if your feeling tells yiu to do so
<NathanLaird> Torbj: haha, no thanks. My wife did that once. We are still digging our way out of debt.
<cybervviz> rc, no i want to have a third source to verify, please ?
<S7L> Torbj: well, I certainly think that while what you say may be true in some other universe, I find myself somewhat comfortable with an income considering I have to live someplace, eat something, and pay my electricity bill.
<Torbj> quiy you depth!!
<Torbj> fuck it!!
<NathanLaird> S7L: Wow, we had a parallel moment...
<RC> cyber sylvia brown and zetatalk site
<S7L> and "quitting debt" isn't all too easy.
<Bailey> God does heal and intervien in miracle ways in my life now, I will not give up hope or faith, peace be with you bye
<NathanLaird> Torbj: are you saying you want to get naked? :)
<cybervviz> thx will see
<S7L> you will be considered a criminal and jailed.
<NathanLaird> Bailey: later!
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<Torbj> if that is what you want to be....
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<cybervviz> I will be Witch :-))
<S7L> Torbj: well, I don't consider having a stable job a bad thing, while I don't always like all there is to it.
<Cool007> Drugi bulgari ima li?
<cybervviz> sto polygamic witch, isn't it my cybervvitch ?
<strcpy> Cool007 imashe
<strcpy> no si trygnaha
<NathanLaird> I hate the current system but I can wear many hats, so I play my part. Maybe the system will have a drastic change soon. I'll still be here, evolving and assisting.
<Cool007> ami za6toto dosega ne sum se zamislql
<Cool007> da tursq sunarodnici tu
<Cool007> tuk
<Cool007> ;>
<NathanLaird> Good grief, how about English. I feel so left out! :)
<Torbj> if you like it,its okay...but if you are feeling..."quit, this is not good" then do it!!!!
<Torbj> your children wont die!!!!!!
<CyberVVitch> yes my dear ;-)
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<NathanLaird> Torbj: Well of course. But I make it a good thing. No one bothers me, and I serve others. I get to be in thousands of peoples lives. Reaching lots of people.
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<S7L> Torbj: I got no children. While I think I know what you mean, my guts are pretty silent unless I have drank some milk...
<NathanLaird> I guess 99% of the people in this room aren't paying attention?
<NathanLaird> Or they have nothing to say
<NathanLaird> Cat got their keyboard.
<cybervviz> Nathanlaird, Youc an setup a company, put all your things into company and say debt bye bye
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<Torbj> Nath...you are not servimg anyone...not even yourself if you do not listnen to you inner woise....
<Torbj> voise
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<cybervviz> voice :-)
<NathanLaird> Cybervvis, where the heck did that come from?
<cybervviz> from my little woise
* S7L is reading sci.astro
<CyberVVitch> lol
<NathanLaird> There are so many people trying to get me to start my own company.
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<adr> bye all
<Torbj> qiut the damn job and take the children out on your lawn an talk to them...
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<cybervviz> I am clairvoyant you see
<Torbj> the will survive!
<cybervviz> i told i am witch :-))
<Survivor> mayan calander end date: 13.0.0.0.0 = 2012 A.D. Gregorian
<NathanLaird> I know they will survive.
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<cybervviz> surviver, doe you have sources too ?
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<Survivor> more about the relation between the calanders can be found here: http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
<cybervviz> thanks
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<S7L> seems like nancy wasn't joking when she said she just cross-posted to sci.astro a little
<NathanLaird> I love witches.
<Torbj> do it!
<cybervviz> do it, i did it too, where are you from ?
<cybervviz> privater :-)
<Torbj> follow your woise...hehe
<Torbj> my englich is not so god
<cybervviz> my neither, but that's funny
<cybervviz> like haloo haloo
<NathanLaird> United States. You?
<Survivor> I can't find any signifacant date in the mayan calander that correlates with 2003 A.D.  ??
<RC> Survivor check troubled times
<cybervviz> rc said sylvian brown, but i would see more prouves either.  our Belgian profs told 2012 too
<NathanLaird> Survivor, the end of the Mayan Calendar is 2003, we just got the start date wrong, so it looks like it ends at 2012.
<cybervviz> so I am Belgian :-) chocolates....
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