Session Start: Sat Apr 13 14:08:31 2002
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-IQx- Welcome to ZetaTalk - http://www.zetatalk.com - Enjoy Your Stay
<SteveH> I think TLC has a doomsday comet show on at 3pm PST
<karen> pumping up public for service to gov't
<Malakai> thanks
* Thunderoc wonders just how much our thoughts create our reality...
<Spanky> nancy, have the zetans flown you up close to the 12th so you could take a look?
<Thunderoc> thats the show I saw Steve...
<matt> too...
<NancyL> JoeyB, that's pretty close, yes, it will be VISIBLE as a redish thing in the sky, without aid of scopes, and at passage be as bit as the Moon, overall.
<SteveH> was it any good thuneroc?
<S7L> Thunderoc: they don't.
<NancyL> S7L, OOB is highly discourages by Sprit Guides, who prevent skipping out of school, etc.
<JoeyB> It's sad that many will deny even with a sight like that!
<S7L> but how you relate to your thoughts decides what will happen.
<Thunderoc> Thats the one that shows the rock originating...from a star placement...like the one shown for PX
<NancyL> Karne, no, I expect just more of his trying to line up citizen slaves.
<S7L> NancyL: I thought it could be standard part of the program. But yes, I see the point I guess. I shall do some potential research on this.
<NancyL> Find out who the willing STO workers are, so he can use them later.
<NancyL> I see he also is trying to get the churches into leadership positions.
<Zetapal> S7L its my understanding that its possible to have an out-of-body experience while sleeping/and if you're like me you've found yourself being courteously shuffled back to your body after a couple of minutes-cool experience I must say - my escorts where surprised when I recognized them and seemed relieved when I didn't freak out on them/ course I could have just imagined it all/ wink
<S7L> Zetapal: mm yes.
<NancyL> And get unmarried mothers married, so husbands HAVE to be (he hopes) responsible for the mothers when he and his elite close the doors on them.
<Malakai> Nancy, as Sithcin claims Sumerians knew of niburu 6000 years ago..why wasn't this info passed down among secret societies like illumanati etc ?
<JoeyB> The current church scandals can't be helping much in that regard.
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<Thunderoc> I think it was Maakai
<Thunderoc> l^
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<Spanky> as a second part of my question:  why is dick cheney chosen to lead?  is it because of his heart condition, that they need someone with nothing to lose?  is it because they could eliminate him with no questioning at all (artificially induced heart attack)
<NancyL> Malakai, I think the info was primarily in the giant hominoids hands, and THEY did not care for humans to be educated.
<NancyL> Also, Chinese knew things Europe did not, etc. so all the globe did not share, did not even know about each other!
<Torbj> almost everytime you are waking uo after a sleep with a big "spasm" you been out flying..
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<Thunderoc> OOB's are so real...you can even feel texture..:o)
<NancyL> Spanky, have added this to the Agenda, as Bush cohorts, etc.
<Thunderoc> >or imagine you can..lol
<S7L> I remember some persistent dreams from at least a decade ago when I could distinctly remember I could fly and how wonderful it was. I remember I almost cried because it wasn't true. But it seems like it might just have been true...
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<obany> any idea about the situation in the European countries before the shift occurs. Like those beloning to the EU ?
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<NancyL> Obany, what do you mean "situation"?
<Bulgaria> the earthquakes in Bulgaria become more frequent
<Malakai> i see..i just feel that families like bush, morgans, rockefellars, rothchilds would have know this info the whole time..for centuries..and yes of course keep it to themselves
* Thunderoc had a reccurrent dream for approx 7+ years...of a giant planet..wooshing by...(as a child)
<NancyL> Quakes are going to increase right up to the time of the shift.  I guess that means more frequent, and larger ones in the mix.
<S7L> Though quaking in 2002 has been modest according to the USGS
<NancyL> Malakai, you assume that Europe and Summeria were talking, etc.  Don't think they were.  
<Lebrasse> After 911, zetas said to watch JP Morgan but they're still there doing business, was 911 a failure by Barclays ?
<matt> last 7 weeks surely will be the real uptick as Px enters system?
<NancyL> And then, each PS disrupts records and all, and then the REASON for the disruption is not known, except through folklore.
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<Spanky> illuminati type organizations are probably descended from 12th planet hominoid groups that decided to stay behind
<matt> still near dither point
<obany> Reactions etc... Different laws, other goverment(s) as in the USA. That's what i mean .
<Zetapal> Malakai also remember we're talking about a 90% attrition rate and scaterring populous with a 3657yr span - kind of hard keeping up with old secret society brothers...
<NancyL> S7L USGS is lying, downgrading quakes BIG time, as a TT member found out and I put into the Quake Patterns TOPIC in Word.
<Malakai> jp morgan was so exposed to the markets a crash heped there derivatives position..they may have had a hand in it
<Torbj> s7l...are you living in the nothern parts of finland?
<Thunderoc> or STS agenda's/illuminati
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<obany> spank: i doubt so ... there are no Niburians anymore on this planet
<S7L> NancyL: I have observed this page. I do not believe Mike completely understood the situation. The numbers are in the main revised down a bit from the intial estimations -- or some are revised upwards. The intial magnitude is just a guess
<Torbj> in the nothern part of sweden there was a 3.3 qake for two days ago
<Malakai> they were short the markets
<NancyL> Spanky, no, illuminati power is exagerated, per the Z's, they are not special and the eye thing only used as an STS scare tactic like Stonehenge.
<S7L> more detailed information comes later and is an international effort
<S7L> Torbj: no
<sirgrim> the recent news about a possible pole reversal is interesting, they're just seeing pre-warnings
<S7L> And in general there is an agreement within 0.2 .. 0.3 magnitude points between intial estimate and the final, agreed on value.
<NancyL> Obany, per the Z's, none seen on the horizon.  I think the Z's said that depending upon their PRESENT mode, they will continue apace.
<Spanky> although the last niburians who stayed behind eventuallly lost their technology.  mythology begins to refer to them not as gods but as ogres, phillistines, cyclops. etc
<JoeyB> Nancy: Have you seen images of those bright billboards in Russia, announcing a new planet arriving?
<NancyL> Muslin countries highly repressed, etc, and the US fraught with disinfo as usual.
<NancyL> Europe is more open to the idea, and Russia too!  Letting the population know, etc.
<Spanky> the 5th element is actually a 12th planet movie if you look at it closely.
<S7L> If USGS lies then it does real poor job at it.
<NancyL> Obany, not enough known yet what will happen, and no change from when last discussed a couple weeks ago.
<Spanky> I thought russia was a highly STS group of people.
<S7L> Spanky: hehe. You witnessing the effects of cold war?
<NancyL> Sirgrim, magnetic diffusion has been happening increasingly, and the theory about magnetic flips "just happening" is WRONG, but still humans discuss it while ignoring the crust movement evidence.
<Spanky> not only cold war but look at chechnya, repression of minorities, rampant crime
<obany> spanky: everyone country, has it's STO people ... So to say the Russians are higly STS is kinda
<S7L> NancyL: why is the ocean bottom striping exactly reverse rather than pointing to this or that direction? Why are the magnetic lines indicating that the poles in the main flipped, not moved about on the Earth quite randomly?
<Torbj> iwe read about Putin slipping with his toung to the press telling about a massive dieoff...but was later on "smothed over" filled put..
<NancyL> S7L what are you talking about, Mike's estimate and magnitude, etc?  I missed it because I was blabbering away.
<S7L> NancyL: The page you refer to was offered by Mike.
<IQx> Spanky: perhaps the Russian government and the elites, but the people themselves are very humble (at least speaking from my point view as I was bor there)
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<S7L> I believe Mike didn't fuly understand what he was observing.
<Malakai> Nancy, so there should be concern of nwo cartel surviving with mass weapons and in the after time trying to continue there advancement in enslaving the survivors ?
<S7L> Mike saw the difference between initial estimations, and the final figures, for the quakes.
<NancyL> JoeyB, apparently a commercial add, but obviously intended to be a subconscious, subliminal nudge!
<IQx> Spanky: there are bad seeds in all sorts of piles
<S7L> The press wants to report quickly so the first reports always are based on estimations of the strength of the event.
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<S7L> that is why there are differences in the reporting.
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<NancyL> S7L, wandering poles do NOT point in reverse, all the time, point in every direction.
<kirk> has it started yet?
<obany> nope just discussion before hand ..
<S7L> NancyL: but the ocean striping, to my understanding, seems to indicate that the poles have been mostly where they are, only the direction of magnetic field reversed
<Zetapal> yeah Spanky,listen to IQX, "what he said"
<S7L> at least this is the impression I have received -- that is why they can draw nice charts and say "NS" here and "SN" here, instead of drawing vectors showing the differing directions
<NancyL> S7L then why do the wandering poles logic show the poles only a few degress from each other, at times, NOT flipped!
<Zetapal> a little left-over cold war propaganda?
<IQx> Zetapal: perhaps
<NancyL> I think the "reversals" get the head-turning, so get quoted.
<VonSpark> Hey all..! Say, is Robert, the maker of the "planetxvideo.com" vid and website here today?
<NancyL> Re the Giant Pyramids pointing directly N/S, this is not true either.  I researched on the web and in fact is is just "kinda" pointing N/S, more that than other alignments, and it gets quoted as though it were PERFECTLY N/S.
<Spanky> alot of debunkers saying a pole shift of what Zetatalk describes would do everything short of vaporise the earth's crust
<S7L> NancyL: I admit I must research this topic further. I just can't get the observed ocean striping agree with the moving continents in my head. But I have to dig up references before I can carry this point on further. I'd do that now if I cared so much about it. I was just wondering because some usenet poster posed this question -- was Jeff from Minneapolis I think
<Debian> would we all die?  :(
<NancyL> Von Spark, he does not attend, but I know the guy.
<IQx> Debian: unfortunately most of us will, but it is possible to prepare and save ourselves
<NancyL> Spanky, and when you ask them to back up their statement, they get testy :-).
<Debian> how we can save us ?
<NancyL> I've had mail from folks saying if rotation stopped everything would fly off into space.  
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<IQx> Debian: refer to www.zetatalk.com and http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm
<Malakai> hehe
<S7L> well they don't understand very much science, nor the gradual stoppage I guess.
<NancyL> NO logic, as lack of centrifugal would do the opposite, and then, on the Moon, man did not fly off, etc.
<VonSpark> thanks, Nancy. He seems very passionate about the issue, and I understand he's met you. He takes a beating on the Yahoo message boards, and  wanted to congratulate him for, at least, his courage.
<Malakai> so why don;t we fly off into space now ?
<obany> What about the African issue. The service to Self aliens over there. Only a year left before the shift occurs .. Willl it also continue afterwards on that continent. or is there a change in sight for the coming months
<S7L> People seem to confuse centrifugal force and gravity somehow with each other
<Malakai> : )
<NancyL> Very extreme statements, even from the supposedly educated.
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<Spanky> and why doesn't the earth cause Mars to poleshift whenever they come close?
<S7L> though we do think that the Moon rotates in fact... Just keeps same face towards Earth
<Torbj> If you do not want to die , you probobla will not...if you stay tuned to your "inner gut".../stomach..
<Torbj> to dabian
<IQx> Spanky: perhaps the masses do not come close to Nibiru's - Nibiru is about 23 times dense than our planet
<Torbj> debian...
<NancyL> Obany, I'll add it.  Africa per the Z's will have massive dieoff from disease.
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<butch> spanky: the sun has the controls in this neighborhood...
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<Debian> it`ll be very hard for the people on the earth
<TerrorDactyl> 30 mins to start yes?
<obany> Did the amount of STO people on this world grow since the last time it got mentioned on zetatalk  " The Earth, at close to 5 billion people, is approximately 25% Service-to-Other orientation, 7% Service-to- Self orientation, and 68% undecided, These percentages move about a bit. " ?
<IQx> TerrorDactyl: around there, yes
<S7L> Debian: before one should throw away all hope, let us wait for a very clear sighting of Planet X on telescopes around August 2002 when Orion comes out from behind the Sun to sufficient degree...
<Zetapal> good old Torbj - lol - I can always count on you every week,same message, say are you a chef?
<Torbj> it´s allways hard to live...you could allways die!
<Spanky> is the dead star actually a system that was moved to 4th density, perhaps maybe the Nordics homeworld?
<karen> Has the Zetatalk start time changed from 5 to 6?
<S7L> karen: no, it's been the same -- 22:00 UTC. But for you, it's changed.
<Spanky> which is why the humans and niburians resemble them?
<NancyL> Obany, no big change in the % as due to high tension not much progress, everyone kind of stunned and stuck in their orientation.
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<karen> Isee
<NancyL> Undecideds don't progress, STO more more so, STS move more so, etc.
<TerrorDactyl> i am an undecided myself :)
<IQx> I wish to be STO, but am not sure if Im one - thus I can assume im undecided also
<matt> not an intellectual decision though
<S7L> What is the motivation for people to wish to be STO's
<Spanky> i have learned that you are probably more STO than you think.
<JoeyB> I was a little confused. When the Zetas give these percentages, are they referring to "formed" entities or all 6 billion?
<Lebrasse> 25% STO ?   how come 1.5 billion ready to go to 4th density if only 1 billion re-born souls on earth now ?
<TerrorDactyl> good question lebrasse
<IQx> S7L: that 'feeling' you get when you sacrifice something of your own for someone else
<Bulgaria> All of you, just be cool and don't afraid from the comming manace..
<IQx> S7L: to see their joy i guess
<SteveH> I think it's 25% of  the 1 billion souls are STO
<S7L> IQx: but you didn't say that you wanted to experience that. You wanted to be STO.
<S7L> Unless you have taken that to be equivalent...
<IQx> S7L: perhaps you're jumping on words, I wish to be certain that I am an STO
<TerrorDactyl> you really think that 75 percent of us dont have a spirit at all?
<S7L> Why do you want to be certain? What's that going to prove?
<obany> The thing will change after the pole shift, with the Hybrids coming to this world etc.. The die off.  I What is the time frame that they will be on earth, was it right after the pole shift or some time after it when things have settled down a bit. ?
<IQx> S7L: maybe I am harsh on myself, but I see faults within me - which dont allow me to come to a conclusion that i am in >fact< an STO
<TerrorDactyl> anyoner here an STS by the way?
<IQx> S7L: why not ? wouldnt one want to be closer to being certain... about Px for example ?
<IQx> TerrorDactyl: i dont believe if one is STS, that they will simply come out and state themselves to be one, hehe
<S7L> IQx: then, you suffer from a case of spiritual grasping perhaps. You want to be STO but you don't like things that remind you of STS-ness perhaps?
<Zetapal> ahhh S7L good point I didn't even realize that the time change effectively "shifted" my zetatalk chat time thanks , lol,you know us arrogant americans we figure if we go on Daylight Savings Time then we just simply assume the rest of the world did the same-lol- one day we''ll turn around and realize that no one is following
<NancyL> Terror, apparently the spirit in a NEW body does not spark all the time, and most do not.
<Spanky> speaking of terrordactyl's question: how bad is life as one of the octopus forms:  how likely are you to be shark food on this world?
<IQx> S7L: yes, I am spiritually immature, absolutely
<S7L> Zetapal: heh. Well, we have also gone to daylight savings. It happened one week before for us.
<Torbj> you are what you are...life itself will bring to to one direkyion or another....if you are not really experience anything "hard" that will force you to make a chois...then you will be "undecided"
<TerrorDactyl> so are you saying that i may not spark?
<NancyL> It's not that the soul/spirit is not THERE, it is just so vapid, and dissipate, does not form and last.
<S7L> IQx: how do you view that statement 'I am spiritually immature' ?
<S7L> is there judgement at yourself?
<TerrorDactyl> I think/I know that I will spark
<IQx> yeah
<Torbj> bad english...
<SteveH> we can't be certain of the status of our souls so it's largely useless excessively pondering on whether one os STO or not, just go out and live
<NancyL> Spanky, I guess the genetic engineers would not select a life form that got eaten that regularly.
<IQx> we spoke about this before S7L, lets not make this a public discussion, hehe
<matt> amen Steve
<Malakai> Nancy, if the world govt (united nations) is prepared for px, are they a threat to the survivors , since they would likely have weapons and aircraft under denver, colorado ?
<NancyL> However, our cave man days were not all that advantageous, either!
<S7L> IQx: consider that the best thing you can do for yourself is just to be yourself. Throw away the concepts of STO and STS and consider uncovering who you are and what you want. Keep in mind where you want to go. But from how I view it, you can even harm your own progress by judging somethings as STS when they are not.
<NancyL> Terror, you've probably sparked, else you'd not be here.
<S7L> Just experience directly and honestly. Observe. Do not judge what seems STS, nor what seems STO. Do just that what you want.
<TerrorDactyl> I just know somehow that I am here for a purpose and that I have an everlasting soul
<S7L> IQx: oh, too late :-) but okay
<Zetapal> I thought for the last 3yrs that I was sto until last weeks chat-now I don't know-either way-I guess I wouldn't want to be tapped into a club until I was ready...
<IQx> S7L: correct, but It goes much further than that S7L, its not simply 'wanting' to be STO
<NancyL> Malakai, added UN ROLE to the agenda.
<S7L> yeah maybe not. I'm just afraid many people have started to judge others with concepts like "you are STS" "you have no soul" or themselves, the same way
<IQx> S7L: if you wish, we can expand on that during some other time, in TT-Chat
<S7L> and I don't know if that's very useful at all
<Malakai> thanks
<IQx> S7L: no, absolutely not, lol
<Torbj> Good 7...thats right!
<TerrorDactyl> I want to be STO, but often I get selfish and fall into undecided mode
<obany> if one is STO one kinda knows for what i read ... there are signs that tell
<IQx> S7L: to be honest, im against 'grouping' oeiokem hehe
<NancyL> Terror, your PURPOSE is up to YOU, so SPARK and DO something with your life!
<NancyL> Stop whinning and asking someone else to reassure you!  ACTION is what counts!
<IQx> obany: what if one has signs from both ? STO & STS ? What is he now ? a STOAS ?  hehe
<Spanky> as for the zetas:  32 million years of the same thing.  Wouldn't you get bored?
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: some selfishness is good. Don't be alarmed. Just follow what seems right thing. Just do that what is "you".
<obany> even someone who is STO doesn't forget the self. Right?
<S7L> ignore the standards set by anyone else, for they are their standards. You have your own. What matters to you is what is important, so clarify this first.
<TerrorDactyl> ok good advice thanks
<obany> if one is of mixed orietnation then it's undecided
<NancyL> OK, BRB, putting the chicken back in the oven (it will be done in 1.5 hours, after the chat, had to take it out as I was confused over time :-).
<IQx> obany: not forgetting self, but hmm.. a STS trait may be exploiting others for self benefit
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<Torbj> it´s not like you can pick a course in school or schoose a pair of socks to were...
<IQx> S7L: i always pick out a piece here and there, and create sort of 'my standards' -- I thought you noticed that before, hehe
<Mary> Nancy, have you ever heard from Ron D.?  
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<S7L> The point is that an STS person sees no problem at taking advantage of others, while the STO will still respect another's good even if it amounted to some personal harm. How far you can go here is another issue. Just do what feels right -- it's as simple as that.
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<S7L> IQx: mm, I guess.
<Clipper> I have and he is doing fine. Has his own place now.
<JoeyB> Has anyone noticed how strong the "polarization" is becoming in their workplaces, towns, etc?
<S7L> hey Clipper :)
<Clipper> Mornin:-)
<obany> Mary: i don't think that's a discussion for this channel now
<Zetapal> S7L ask me that (aka IQX)
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<IQx> Zetapal: ask what ?
<Torbj> joey...yes!
<vkuzma> joey: of course!
<S7L> I didn't get it either, Zetapal. Can you decrypt?
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<Torbj> eather black ore white
<TerrorDactyl> anyone wonder if they have had past lives?
<obany> well if one looks around then it's noticable that the transformation is going on
<Nomis> @Nancy: What where the mysterious Lights over Germany?
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: what! Never ever thought of that. </sarcasm>
<Mary> Clipper: Thanks
<IQx> Nomis: Nancy is taking out her dinner, wait for a few mins =)
<TerrorDactyl> no, i mean in detail..what they wer etc
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<Torbj> its ofcourse not only mother Earth that´s"moving along" with this planet coming in...we all are!
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<TerrorDactyl> are the planets in our system coming along to 4th density at the same time we do?
<IQx> if Earth is our uncle, and Nibiru is earth's brother, then Nibiru is our uncle ! hehe
<IQx> Earth is our mother*
<obany> nomis: they said it was the racket afterall, the debris felt down in tibet or so .Even in a dutch place folks saw it, a green ball with a tail
<AndrewP> :) Folks!
<Spanky> drunk uncle more like ti
<Zetapal> nevermind, not really important
<Malakai> Nancy, how long are the hurricane winds expected ?
<Malakai> 3 days ?
<Zetapal> well let me say this...
<NancyL> Nomis, what lights?
<Clipper> I am my own grampa:-)
<S7L> Malakai: the driving force for hurricane is the moving continents. You can expect a settling as soon as the driving force goes away with only local storms -- will be bad of course but not worse than typical storms I'd hazard
<NancyL> Terror, that's already in ZT, go read.
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<Malakai> so not a long period then
<mIKe_vALLEy> hi
<Lebrasse> I wish the aliens would drop the unconscious rule now we're so close!  ;-)
<NancyL> Malakai, the HOUR of the shift is when the crust moves, water does not so much thus flood tides and sloshing over several hours or even days.
<S7L> Malakai: to be on the safe side I guess you would experience really shitty weather for a few days...
<Bulgaria> Debian interesen nick, kak ti hrumna? ;)
<JoeyB> There was a large sighting over Barvaria recently. May have been early debris.
<NancyL> I would think hurrican winds during the hour, mostly, then dropping to breezy.
<S7L> "Open are the double door of the horizon / Unlocked are its vaults / Coulds darken the sky / The stars rain down / Constellations stagger / Bones of the hell hounds tremble"
<Debian> Bulgaria ami ima edna operacionna systema s tova ime
<Malakai> Nancy, u say that solar power will not work well due to volcanic dust ?
<TerrorDactyl> nancy, have you heard of robert shapiro?
<obany> people noticed lights etc in Germany and also in some dutch places ..last week for what i remember... But the same day also some parts of a racket would fell down on earth . So later on they said that that is what people saw . Debris falling down
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<Zetapal> I think the statement"I'm spiritually immature", shows the person is being realistic and truthful with themself and whoever their talking too, and realism/truthfulness is a sign of maturity .. so...you be the judge...if you need one...yeah
<NancyL> Lebrasse, me too, I even asked for this formally and had a hearing and a Zeta advocate, but didn't get my way :-(
<S7L> This nice piece of poetry has been uncovered from the ruins of City of Horizons, I understand, from the Akhnaten period
<Torbj> LiBresse...the unconssiosrule is something that you accepted when you incarnate to this 3D
<Bulgaria> Debian: bez maitap, ne sum 4uval za takava
<AndrewP> The question of it being unconscienable NOT to pass the ZT message along has given me much food for thought!! And I must say thanks..
<IQx> Zetapal: =)
<NancyL> Malakai, how well do solar panels work on a cloudly day?  Not well, so ...
<S7L> Even I have passed the word along a little despite I start by clarifying that it's scientifically very unfeasible
<sirgrim> currently there are daily UFO reports going on in australia, so the sightings are really on the increase as predicted ;D
<Nomis> @Nancy: Can you say us something about the things that happen in Medjugorje?
<TerrorDactyl> gonna go crop circle hunting soon, i live right near stonehenge
<Malakai> I want to create an alternative energy supply for the aftertime, solar is not a good option ?
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<AndrewP> But of course it IS scientifically feasible S&L
<IQX-OUT> have a good session everyone
<IQX-OUT> NancyL: thank you, good luck
<S7L> AndrewP: sorry? Read my statement again.
<NancyL> S7L, I have noted on sci.astro lately, a new mode.
<AndrewP> done S7L..!! YEP
<NancyL> They say, "I think Nancy is crazy and all" as qualification and then start talking VERY DETAILED about Richter 15 quakes (whote earth) and the like.
<S7L> AndrewP: well, you said the opposite of my statement
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<NancyL> Sure, there' in there talking about it because they think I'm crazy :-)
<AndrewP> Yes I know,S7L, I know, but its early morn here!!!
<S7L> NancyL: I have noted the discussion with high interest. I must say it intrigues me also.
<NancyL> But few want to say "I'm beginning to feel nervous about this and much of what she says makes sense" so they still excuse themselves.
<S7L> AndrewP: and that is related how? You are still dizzy? Or what?
<obany> The awakening is making progres. Some time ago i read about people seeing silver aliens or so ..  What's the next thing we could expect, are the people on this world more open yet for more or ?
<Okidok> Hi Terror, maybe this year crop circles will disclose next year events??
<NancyL> I suspect those posting in my favor get horrendous nasty e-mail from the folks whose job it is to do this.
<TerrorDactyl> READ THIS JUST SEEN IT http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_564525.html
<AndrewP> No, not dizzy, just seeking he right approach is all
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<NancyL> Makakai, wind or water mills, best.
<S7L> AndrewP: heh. Then I must confess I understand even less
<Malakai> k
<Thunderoc> Nancy..part of being ahead of your time...is that when people finally realize you were right...they will say it was obvious all the time.. :o)
<TerrorDactyl> read that url folks it confirms a pole shift
<S7L> NancyL: I don't think the conspiracy is that large as you seem to imply.
<NancyL> AndrewP, do we need to move an hour earlier?  I asked once about the hour, what would be convenient for ALl participatns.
<hellsing> i just want to meet an alien ;/
<S7L> There are definitely a few hard-core sceptics who have a downright oppressive tone, but in the main I find a high-quality detailed discussion done seriously, and I really like mr. Jeff's posts
<NancyL> Okidok, I think the crop circles have been doing this all along, but folks interpret them othewise.
<AndrewP> S7L: everyday I understand a liitle more, and the results speak for themselves
<Torbj> hellsing...ask for it, and you will!
<Brian> can we get the log of this session up a little faster?
<vkuzma> any particular reason why so little UFO activity goes on in canada?  or am i just not looking in the right places for information on this?
<NancyL> Terror, could you give a short description of that site?
<hellsing> Torbj.aslong as they dont hurt me :)
<S7L> AndrewP: I tend to understand even less, heh.
<TerrorDactyl> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_564525.html, it confirms that scientists think the poles are about to flip
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: noticed the time scales?
<Malakai> no water for watermill, wind ok..any other sources for powerful electric generation  cheap ?
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: noticed it's not a continental shift, just magnetic pole shift?
<JoeyB> There is a big Hollywood flick coming soon about Crop Circles!
<NancyL> S7L it does not take many folks to create a climate of debunking.  On sci.astro, perhaps a dozen over the years!
<AndrewP> The more I know the more I learn about how Little I know, heh? How true is that old adage?
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: noticed that it's a very _slow_ thing. "About" is about 2000 years or what?
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<NancyL> Brian, no, 24 hours is a reasonable time, and I must work tomorrow!
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<Brian> ok
<S7L> NancyL: mmh, truish, perhaps. However I see a number of posters who seem to post for right reasons, and are very open. Like I said, my kudos to those people. I think their presence makes the world a nice place to be :-)
<NancyL> Terror, oh, they're working that magnetic flip for no reason theory.
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<Spanky> the zetas probably consider canada and the US as a single unit
<TerrorDactyl> it doesnt give a time scale it just says about to flip, no specific
<NancyL> Makakai, no, not many options.
<Brian> Nancy, has Robert Sepher talked to you yet about getting bandwidth?
<NancyL> JoeyB, really!  Crop Circles!  I hope is is not a big debunking thing.
<Malakai> could the zetas show me an inexpensive way to make a nuclear fission generator ...please : )
<Lebrasse> what is your paid job Nancy ?
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: ok. I have seen a bigger article about this. The time scales are thousands of years. Not _next_year_.
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<hellsing> Malakai lol
<TerrorDactyl> i have walked in many crop circles including the 409 circle milk hill one last year
<JoeyB> Nancy: The film is called "Signs". Due out in August-- stars Mel Gibson.
<karen> Mel Gibson in the Crop circle movie
<NancyL> S7L, yes, like climate change and continental drift, so slow, and then then find otherwise!
<S7L> TerrorDactyl: and they _nowhere_ imply a continental shift. They talk just reversal of magnetic poles. But anyway, it's indicative.
<hellsing> crop circles were created by humans
<S7L> NancyL: well, they do acknowledge it's not known how fast it can occur
<DavidS> hellsing..not all of them...
<S7L> they state "if it goes on at this rate, then ..."
<Zetapal> you know how About.com(a common search engine) puts together little pages of pre-assembled search results on certain topics? Well Feb11th they added a page on planet X and it breifly caps the whole planet x discovery/coverup/return along with a few links.Pretty mainstream acceptanc of these ideas gaining speed and yes they mention 2003 but make it a point to say they don't know where that date comes from.This seems to be the trend.
<S7L> and give a figure in thousands of years
<NancyL> Lebrasse, lower level now, I quit my good paying systems job and moved to the boonies.
<hellsing> DavidS: maybe not
<vkuzma> spanky: so the sightings in the US are enough for canadians and americans?  that's too bad.  we need more sightings up here ;)
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<AndrewP> I spotted a craft for the first time recently and it made me turn right around and examine so much of my previous conditioning. I had to see what I had refuted for so long
<Brian> Oh, one question not really related to anything but would give credit to the Zeta's, What isotope of element 115 is stable?
<JoeyB> We left Seattle and love the boonies!
<Brian> We have yet to discover it for some reason.
<NancyL> Brian, no discussion about 115 as you're not to know, etc.
<TerrorDactyl> i saw a brown boomerang shaped craft about 2 yrs ago - maybe 100 feet above my head
<NancyL> Getting close, so I'm about to start ...
<hellsing> will the aliens give me $500million
<Brian> hehe, was worth a shot though.
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<Zetapal> parlour games - call David Blaine
<NancyL> The first Q I collected from the last chat, as it was asked during open session and I missed it, so collected it, etc.
<NancyL> A, B, C are different people at the last chat.
<NancyL> ARRANGEMENTS
<NancyL> A. How do those so called accidents function that we all experience in our life?
<NancyL> A: That are not accidents :)
<NancyL> B: That things in life happen with a reason ..
<NancyL> A: For example if you meet somebody not planned but important, accidently.
<NancyL> C: Ah. That kind of thing. Coincidences.
<NancyL> A: I would like to ask, how these are arranged
<NancyL> ZT: Humans are in the main only subliminatlly aware of their contactee role.
<NancyL> ZT: They are also thus only subliminally aware of the other humans they meet during visitations.
<ChiefSimi> subliminat
<ChiefSimi> sorry
<NancyL> ZT: As we have explained, many humans are meeting regularly during the visits with OTHER humans, planning their roles during the times moving into the shift, their roles during the shift itself, and in particular their roles in the Aftertime.
<Degradii> i have interesting information
<S7L> Degradii: please hold it until later
<NancyL> ZT: These roles are, as we hardly need mention, inter-related and coordinated by the contactees themselves and their alien visitors, as a team.
<Degradii> http://degrfiles.dyns.cx/X/document54.htm
<Degradii> about 3 political murders
<Degradii> i think it connected to the greys
<IQX-OUT> Degradii: i cannot open the document
<NancyL> ZT: What sorts of activities might be planned?  Prior to the shift, accidental meetings among humans who then become acquainted with each other in the conscious mode.
<Degradii> what!
<Torbj> hush!
<obany> degradddi: not during the session, or during the answer.. And it's not related now , this is also for the others here .. no chatter during the anwer please
<NancyL> ZT: This facilitates later meetings when they will be conscious, as they will better recognize each other and not hesitate to work fully with each other.
<Degradii> how?
<obany> hush
<Degradii> fuck
<Degradii> got to go
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<NancyL> ZT: During the shift, the roles are often involving guiding groups to safety, though many roles involve staying with those doomed to help them understand what has occurred.
<NancyL> ZT: During the shift, there will be attempts by the elite to prevent awareness of the coming changes until it is too late.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, a role during the shift might be leaking information, breaking this coverup with the truth.
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<NancyL> ZT: The roles in the Aftertime will be diverse, depending upon skillsets and the climate the contactee is used to functioning in.
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<NancyL> ZT: For instance, a contactee who is an eskimo might find life in the tropics of Alaska uncomforatable and NOT making best use of their skills.
<NancyL> ZT: They may be expected to arrive in suddenly frozen land, to help those surviving there understand HOW to proceed.
<vha> hey all could you open that site http://degrfiles.dyns.cx/X/document54.htm
<vha> ?
<Clipper> No way :-)
<vha> i can`t you ?
<NancyL> ZT: Now, given this kind of volunteering and coordination, what might a contactee, unaware consciously of his status, expect?
<obany> vha: hello not during the session please
<obany> hush
<NancyL> ZT: They may find themselves in a book store, browsing books they have previously not had an interest in.
<NancyL> ZT: They may find themselves drawn, impelled, toward a particular location such as a park, on a certain day, and find themselves talking to an otherwise stranger as though a friend.
<NancyL> ZT: This is not an accident, this was a PLAN.  BOTH contactees met, earlier, and deciding they needed to get consciouslhy aqainted so as to lessen time loss when the workload was upon them, made this plan.
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<NancyL> ZT: BOTH determined the time and location, and BOTH set out that day to meet each other.
<NancyL> ZT: Should either get lost, or delayed, the other would get this message via their visitors, who are monitoring the meeting to assist and ensure it takes place.
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<NancyL> ZT: These meetings are a desire of the hUMANS involved, who are in essence giving The Call to accomplish this, and thus assisting in this is quite in line with the rules on interference with human affairs.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<TerrorDactyl> how do you know if you have been assigned a role, what the role is?
<AndrewP> Nancy, can consciously remembered dreams that have a relationship to the ZT material be an accurate pointer to such subliminal understanding of roles to play or is this just subconscious autosuggestion?
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<JoeyB> Very true! I met my partner "before" we met. I remember "dreaming" about how we would plan put the next few years and assist each other.
<Nomis> What you can say about the things that happen in Medjugorje????I mean the seeing of the Madonna!
<NancyL> ZT to Terror: Contactees KNOW their roles, as they are fully aware in their subconscious, which is connected to all brain parts except the conscious which is selective.
<Brian> Wow, a lot of those things seem to have happened to me, exactly, but no conciouse awareness, why the secretness?
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, if you sense in your gut that this is the case, trust your gut!
<NancyL> End ZT to Terror.
<ChiefSimi> How many people approximately, present here in this chatroom, are contactees?
<obany> So contactees can also arrange that they meet on IRC for example?
<Spanky> why are aliens bothering with all this when they want the human race gone and out of the way?
<NancyL> Nomis, this is not on the Agenda, please send via the Contact Nancy e-mail route.
<TerrorDactyl> are we all here tonight because we have a role?
<obany> chiefsimi: maybe more then you think, maybe you are a contactee yourself witouth knowing you are
<NancyL> Chief, per the Z's, better than 50%.
<karen> So the Zeta's would be interfering to answer any questions about a persons memoryconcerning meetings?
<obany> Nancyl: :)
<hellsing> this better not be a cult :)
<DavidS> I like the question of Terror dactyl - is it a reason why we all the people are here on IRC-chat?
<NancyL> Spanky, it's about soul development, and we are to live out our incarnation.
<ChiefSimi> :)
<NancyL> Also, why NOT work as team mades NOW?
<Torbj> if you are conssiosness about yor self to quickly...and to soon...maybe you will "overdue" yorself?
<NancyL> OK, Next Q...
<obany> hellsing: it ain't.. contactees doesn't mean cult members
<hellsing> obany: good :)
<NancyL> BUSH PLAN
<NancyL> My question is what was Bush doing going on tv and asking everyone to give 4,000 hours of service to country....is he trying to keep everyone busy?
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<NancyL> ZT: Anticipating a crashed economy and bewildered populace, the Bush Administration has a plan.
<obany> vha: hush
<vha> sorry
<hellsing> i hope michigan is safe
<NancyL> ZT: To the extent that money can be gen'd up and pumped into the economy, it will be done.
<NancyL> ZT: This includes lowering interest rates to banks, which has about reached it's limits.
<NancyL> ZT: This also includes such moves as extending the unemployment insurance time period, so that those unemployed can get checks for an extended period of time.
<NancyL> ZT: But what will occur when MANY companies go out of business, and the unemployed read huge numbers, and bankrupcies are clogging the courts?
<NancyL> ZT: During the Great Depression, most banks failed but not all collapsed, as everyone pretended not to notice the failures.
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise, bankruptcies were rampant, but why collect a farm or house or business if you cannot sell it?
<NancyL> ZT: The banks ignored the bankruptcy and failure to pay, the government ignored the essential failure of the bank, and later all pulled up and moved on.
<NancyL> ZT: In like manner, a long forgiveness and period of ignoring non-payment or insolvency may emerge.
<mIKe_vALLEy> The Zetas are not demons..also the zetas are not angels
<NancyL> ZT: During the Great Depression, migration of the homeless seeking work occurred, with many given work that was paid for by a place to stay, shelter, or meals.
<NancyL> ZT: The barter system, at work.
<NancyL> ZT: The Bush Administration is an isolationist, elitist, group, and thus does not think of the man on the street so much as a human being as a pawn.
<NancyL> ZT: Pawns get moved about, and are not informed or asked their opinion.
<NancyL> ZT: The Bush Plan on what to do with many idle workers, who are asking intense questions about the state of the world, the condition of the globe, and why everything BUT the weather and rising seas are in the news,
<NancyL> ZT: is to treat them like children, and assign them to parents and caretakers.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, churches are directed to take over charity efforts, as a source at first of government funds and later NO funds but the plan is for the children to go THERE with their hands out.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, unwed mothers among the lower classes are to wed the fathers of their children, as though having this on paper will result in responsible parenting when government services are stopped.
<NancyL> ZT: This is of course naive, silly, and if anything just giving those who are NOT providing information and are storing goods for themselves a consciense-salve.
<NancyL> ZT: A third maneuver is to gen up a citizen work force, like the Peace Corps but doing their good work locally.
<NancyL> ZT: In that those who are STO minded are already DOING work in keeping with their inclinations, what does this accomplish?
<NancyL> ZT: In that those in the Bush Administration would scarsely care of extend effort for the common man, unless ordered to do so, they are cannot imagine anyone in the populace doing this unless someone coerced into the role.
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, in the midst of what they hope will be a long running "War on Terrorism", they hope to find enough volunteers for their domestic Peace Corps who will feel COMPELLED by pressure from employers and church members that they will sign up for service.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus on the hook, it is the plan of the Bush Administration to say, when the time comes, "OK, we've got to go into our bunkers now, go look to your local Peace Corp volunteers for help" and ditch out.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<TerrorDactyl> This is a worldwide problem, so why do the Zetas only talk about America and its response? 90 per cent of the world are not americans!!
<Jeremy> Will earth changes exponentially increase by the end of this year?
<NancyL> Because the question was about the Bush plan.
<NancyL> Worldwide is coming next, also on the Agenda.
<S7L> and most of ZT followers are americans, so that's what gives the impression
<NancyL> MOving along,
<NancyL> GLOBAL VARIATION
<NancyL> 1. Any idea about the situation in the European countries before the shift occurs. Like those belonging to the EU? Reactions etc... Different laws, other goverment(s) as in the USA.
<NancyL> 2. What about the African issue. The service to Self aliens over there. Only a year left before the shift occurs .. Willl it also continue afterwards on that continent. or is there a change in sight for the coming months.
<Torbj> US is in 90% of the world.....
<NancyL> ZT: The issues facing the Bush Administration are not unlike those facing all other governments, except for certain awareness of the coming event.
<NancyL> ZT: With or without the inside track on Planet X and the potential of a coming pole shift, ALL governments are faced with the following concerns:
<NancyL> ZT: 1. When to tell.  This involves determining with some degree of CERTAINTY that a pole shift, or even a close passage, will occur.
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<NancyL> ZT: In that those countries, which are few, and those individuals in those countries aware, which are likewise a close group of small numbers,
<NancyL> ZT: are NOT the majority of countries, MOST countries are hesitant to say anything.
<NancyL> ZT: Even in those countries where the leadership is aware, and watching the inbound planet increase in size in accordance with our predictions, for the following reasons.
<NancyL> ZT: a) the orbit and path and speed of the inbound planet, per ourselves, the Zetas, are so outside of human understanding of astro-physics.
<NancyL> ZT: b) the argument that a WRONG warning can do more damage than waiting, keeps those who would issue a warning in check.
<NancyL> ZT: 2. What to tell.  The issue of what a crust shift would mean, what direction, what speed, what impact on coast lines, is so much in doubt among scientists discussing this that the political leadership hardly knows what to say.
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<NancyL> ZT: Should they just relay what ZetaTalk states? This results in so much heated debate that it never moves forward.
<NancyL> ZT: Since the leadership does not know what to say, in explaining what they EXPECT to happen, they cannot move forward and fall mum.
<NancyL> ZT: 3. What to advise.  Even should the leadership of a country decide that they MUST say something in warning, and at least can explain the various theories about potential impact, they are left with the issue of what to advise.
<NancyL> ZT: Even good hearted leadership might be stimied if there is NOTHING the populace can do, in the main, to save itself.
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<NancyL> ZT: What would the leadership of India say, for instance?  You could leave the country but no one will take you, so prepare to die?
<NancyL> ZT: They feel their countrymen are already in this position, so why repeat the message/
<NancyL> ZT: What would the leaderhsip of European countries say?  Invade your neighbor in the highlands?
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<NancyL> ZT: This would be considered inciting war, or riot, and if the pole shift did NOT occur the person would have many regrets.
<NancyL> ZT: The bottom line is that unless a country has OPTIONS, and feels they might be able to support their citizens, they are unlikely to speak out at all.
<NancyL> In countries where the citizenship is scaresly aware of the outside world, little will thus be said.
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<NancyL> ZT: Droughts or deluges, starvation, all will be treated as episodes have in the past, acts of God or Nature or whatever.
<NancyL> ZT: In Africa, starvation and dictators and savage competition for leadership will continue up to and through the shift.
<NancyL> ZT: After this, as we have predicted, decimation will occur due to the continual drizzle creating a climate suitable for the Ebola type viruses, which live in swamps.
<Freax> im thinking we originated from this rock that's coming back
<Freax> and we were maybe thrown or grafted onto this planet
<NancyL> ZT: This will create such massive dieoff in Africa that in future, several decades forward, survivors wandering into this area or migrating there will think this a virgin land.
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<NancyL> ZT: In South America, there are countries rules by elite who scarsely care for their populace, and these will gradually change over death of those inclined toward STS and increasing incarnation of STO oriented spirits.
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<NancyL> ZT: In constrast to the elite, most often from European and Nazi heritage, there are the local Indian cultures, which will grow in influence.
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<NancyL> zT: Thus, several decades in the future, a new visitor to this continent will find the Indian cultures dominant, with tales of the prior savage leadership only a tale to be told.
<NancyL> ZT: In Australia, a similar progression will occur.  Today, the ultra-right elite in England and Australia are planning survival at the expense of the common man.
<NancyL> ZT: These enclaves will gradually lose power, if not overtaken and decimated by internal wars, with those among the commoners prevailing over time in concert with the native Aborigines, who are mainly STO oriented.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, a traveler to Australia in furture decades will find a delightful mix of Aboriginnes and those of European or Asian deseent, living in STO communities.
<NancyL> ZT: In the Muslim countries which stretch  out from India toward Africa, the descending cold will create great loss of life.
<NancyL> ZT: In the struggle for survival, the Muslim culture, in being male dominant and careing little for the children among them and into warring lately, will decimate the groups further.
<NancyL> ZT: In the end, unless a group from this culture escapes, in essence, they will not survive.
<NancyL> ZT: If STO oriented, they must separate from the main populace, which will end up with only a few men with guns, the lone survivors.
<NancyL> ZT: In that the land will support little, they will migrate toward more tropical areas, and integrate.
<NancyL> ZT: In the main, we expect those Muslim groups to end up in Africa, some decades hense, a direction we have advised.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<TerrorDactyl> when will my government in the UK tell its people of the passage, if at all?
<Nomis> Why will America strike agianst Irak?Becuase we all will have problems next year, so why they will do this?
<Okidok> Nancy;; Do you think most of the worlds goverment and leadership is fully aware of what is going to happend next year???
<Torbj> it will only take one country´s leadership to tell...and then the rest of the world will get it allso...but probobly without getting into the big news..
<DavidS> what kind of governments/leadership(countries) in Europe do know about Planet X/Nibiru and follow its path and are aware of pole-shift?England?Scandinavia?Russia?Germany?France?
<kirk> what do the bush administration have planned in regard to the middle east?
<NancyL> Terror, I think the Z's are saying, they will NOT hear at all, as your leadership intends to ditch out to AU.
<sirgrim> red mercury bombs have been in the news alot lately, i think the us is about to get struck
<NancyL> Nomis, this is only sabre rattling, a distraction, and unlikely to go full blown.
<Torbj> Blair and Bush are pals...so blair i´ll guess..
<KyleKushman> would a suicide bomber who claims to be killing Jews to help save their people be considered STO or STS?
<NancyL> Okikod, Z's answered this a few weeks aback, only Big 5, and others aware only by rumor.,
<RobH> yeah, anything the zetas have on this red mercury nuke threat?
<obany> Davids: it was answered on time, France, England, and Germany are in the know in Europe for what i remember?
<NancyL> Torbj, there are leaks now, just ignored by the news, etc. and Internet will be THE mode of information flow, yes.
<Spanky> won't south america be overtaken by diseases, as it is a rain forest similar to Africa?
<Lebrasse2> Big 6  (US, Russia, UK, Japan, France, Germany)
<DavidS> thanx,Obany
<AndrewP>  add Australia to that!
<NancyL> England for sure, Germany probably, Russia for SURE, scandinavia not, I think.
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<Jeremy> When will Earth changes exponentially acceleate to a point that an announcement will be demanded?
<NancyL> Kirk, just a lot of "the wolf is at the door!" kind of distraction.  Trying to made a new enemy.
<Freax> hey i live in australia =P
<JoeyB> Kyle: STO would not bomb anyone. Would try to unite.
<NancyL> Kyle, a complicated Q and each indiviual may be STO or STS depending!
<Spanky> france hasn't been a leader for more than half a century.  and russia has descended to 3rd world squalor.  wouldn't canada and scandanavia outrank them?
<obany> so in the main, it's up to the citizens of those countries that can't tell to tell the others about it.. It's up to us
<NancyL> I don't think STS do that kind of thing, though, at ALL.  
<NancyL> Only self pleasure measures, and blowing onself up is not that.
<S7L> what kind of service-to-self is there
<S7L> yeah exactly :-)
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<vinka> russians? yeah... sure... billboard of "planet of ceramic tiles"... heh....
<KyleKushman> i figured that, but even if they truly believe they are doin it for others...just a thought i've been pondering
<S7L> could be some kind of conclusion if it retained honour or name even if one was dead though
<NancyL> Spanky, they don't have Ebola natureally, there. in SA
<Spanky> but they probably have ones we don't know about.
<KyleKushman> Nancy: gotcha, thanx
<NancyL> Jeremey, JFK details were demanded, and ignored!  It's still the single bullet explanation!
<Jeremy> Thx, but when can we expect things to get really bad? Early 2003?
<NancyL> There are a couple other Q's, which I'll quickly address:  Will list both.
<NancyL> UN Roles
<NancyL> 1. Nancy, if the world govt (united nations) is prepared for px, are they a threat to the survivors , since they would likely have weapons and aircraft under denver, colorado ?
<NancyL> BUSH LEGACY
<NancyL> 1. Is bush really that dumb/confused or is it all an act and he is a machiavellian schemer like his father?
<NancyL> 2.  why is dick cheney chosen to lead?  Is it because of his heart condition, that they need someone with nothing to lose?  Is it because they could eliminate him with no questioning at all (artificially induced heart attack)
<Jeremy> Earth changes are not disrupting daily life yet
<Jeremy> But they are proceeding
<NancyL> ZT: A prior plan to use the UN to facilitate survival of the elite in the US and elsewhere has failed.
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<NancyL> ZT: This plan, must the talk of conspiracy buffs, involved placing parklands in the US into UN hands, and staffing these with soldiers foreign to the uS.
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<NancyL> ZT: The logic was that these soldiers would not hesitate to use guns upon US citizens, or even US solders gone rogue.
<NancyL> ZT: However, they proved difficult to manage, with many agendas and differing cultures dictating responses, so thsoe who would be their masters became discouragedd.
<NancyL> ZT: Regarding the elite, and who they pull into their ranks and ally with.
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<NancyL> ZT: IN the main, the elite groups with those ALREADY in the know, and who have a track record of being a staunch ally.
<hellsing> what if nothing happens next year
<NancyL> ZT: This is not unlike the decisions each family head will make, when times get tense.
<NancyL> ZT: Whom do they plan to include in a survival group, and invite?
<NancyL> ZT: Who can they trust?   Who do they know from long experience to be solid, and true to their word, and reliable?
<Okidok> hellsing,, if so we are blessed and can go on further with our lives
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, toward the end, those with strengh are UNLIKLY to ally with strangers, but with those they know.
<hellsing> yay
<mIKe_vALLEy> Ashtar rullez
<NancyL> ZT: Packing togehter at the last minute, among strangers, si more likely to be among the weak, those with no other choice.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<Brian> Does Bush know about Zeta-talk?  Why doesn't he listen to the part about death coming to STS?
<KyleKushman> Jeremy: not disrupting daily life? US E. Coast is in worst drought on record...Rockland County is making a decision on filtering water that comes from the toilets and turning it into drinking water
<Nomis> What if nothig happens next year?
<NancyL> Brian, Bush is a puppet, and these types are terribly arrogant!
<NancyL> THEY know best, etc.
<Jeremy> Kyle: I post these articles on tt-watch. But things are still not that bad yet
<Brian> Well the people that control him then.
<KyleKushman> Bush is so smug it pisses me off
<matt> last 7 weeks surely will be the real uptick as Px enters system?
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<matt> still near dither point
<Thunderoc> in the praries in canada..wells are drying up...water has to now be trucked in...gound is so dry it crunchs...
<NancyL> Matt, yes, lasat 7 weeks will be very interesting times.
<KyleKushman> when i c him on TV trying to act like a man in power it disgusts me, he's such a phony
<NancyL> Well, its been an hour, and for me (as I was such a dummy about daylight savings time), who came early, more than 2 hours.
<Okidok> Brian,,,Bush is only familiar with topics that can give him more credits to go on and play the world ruler
<matt> he's not even a very convincing puppet...
<KyleKushman> thanx Nancy
<NancyL> So I'm off and away, will put the log up tomorrow morning as I don't go to work until closer to noon.
<Freax> KyleKushman: actually the view of power is your perception of it
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<AndrewP> questions have a way of revealing answers. Thanks Nancy & ZT:)
<Thunderoc> Thanks you Nancy and Zeta's!
<NancyL> Thank you all for attending and providing a good agenda!
<Torbj> You have a chicken in your owen,Nancy1
<Lebrasse2> Bye nancy
<Brian> Thank you Nancy
<KyleKushman> and of course the Zetas
<NancyL> By all, and see you next week if you come :-)
<obany> Thank you Nancy an the zetas, it was a good session
<KyleKushman> night all
<SteveH> have fun tomorrow at work Nancy! Take care all
<matt> bye Nancy
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<Jeremy> Bye Nancy
<Torbj> bye!
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<Nomis> night nacy
<Malakai> what is the population of Niburu and are its inhabitants a threat to us  ?
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<RobH> take care of yourselves!
<vkuzma> thanx nancy
<matt> what work does Nancy do?
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<Torbj> talking to us!
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<Clipper> How many members today Obany?
<Brian> You'd think that if those elite had any brains they would listen to all the parts in Zeta-talk.
<obany> for those who don't know there is also #troubled_times
<obany> Clipper: how many people attene the chat, more then 60
<hellsing> i like aliens
<hellsing> :D
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<RobH> think there was about 66 max at one time
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<Clipper> Good, getting better.
<obany> yes
<matt> about same as last few
<canuck> there was >70 a few weeks ago
<obany> some weeks ago about 70 :)
<Clipper> Now, if they would all bring just one friend aboard :-)
<canuck> I see new faces every week!
<matt> not a big percentage globally speking
<Nomis> Anyone from Germany???????
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<canuck> thunderoc are you kCanadian?
<Brian> I have told so many people, but so many of them are in denial.  It gets fustrating.
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<Clipper> Anyone else from Alaska? Just thought I would ask.
<Thunderoc> I find it strange that the Zeta's goe directly against the concept that BELEIF has no 'reality in it's own creation...
<Thunderoc> yes K
<obany> Clipper: see query :)
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<Jeremy> Brian: Are you Brian Gillbanks
<Brian> Brian Chmiel
<Thunderoc> Yes canuck I mean
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<Brian> from Canada :)
<Jeremy> right
<hellsing> do aliens use the internet and irc
<hellsing> :(
<canuck> hi brian...got home fast!
<Brian> who's Brian Gillbanks?
<canuck> Brian g. from UK
<Brian> hehe yes,
<Jeremy> contact of mine in UK
<Thunderoc> canuck  I am in bc
<canuck> are you on tt-canada?
<JoeyB> hellsing: Even better-- Telepathy.
<Nomis> Kann hier irgendwer Deutsch?
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<hellsing> JoeyB: will they visit me please
<Brian> no, I had trouble logging in
<Brian> woops, never mind
<Torbj> reallity in it´s own creation?...hm...
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<Thunderoc> since when looking around me, all I see are throughts that are now reality...do not thoughts contain an eklectroagnetic reality??..and attract like thoughts?
<JoeyB> hellsing: They may already. It's that darn subconscious thing.
<Brian> I ment to say bye to Helena, she's a very nice woman.
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<hellsing> darn
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<Thunderoc> if energy cannot be destroyed, then surely our thoughts have a 'place to go...and why not relate that to the 'Call'
<Survivor> got here too late... anyone have the log?
<Clipper> It will be up tomorrow.
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<Thunderoc> even jesus asked if the the sick believed he could heal them...
<hellsing> Survivor: are you an alien
<canuck> brian, yes she is..good talk on the way home
<Torbj> you are in all ONLY experiencing what´s you...you are living wiyh your own mirror around you...that´s you life...
<Survivor> hellsing, not that i know of
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<hellsing> k
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<Survivor> i miss anything good in this last zetatalk IRC session?
<Clipper> Yep
<obany> it was a good one
<Clipper> As always
<Torbj> breaking the mirror will get your stomach uppset for ahwile...letting "new wibes" come through
<sirgrim> http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=1436
<sirgrim> sweet
<hellsing> how can i move to density 10
<Thunderoc> since the grey's are so logical....I assumes I would find the electromagnetic energy units called thoughts would recieve a more deserving note...since all of us 'humans'..seem to be able to 'think' them..
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<Brian> I'm was so tired today, I couldn't think of all the things I wanted to talk about.  Did you catch the first part of this chat?
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<canuck> not the very beginning..I thought I was late
<obany> sirgrim: just saw the link :) from the uknowncountry.com site .. interresting :)
<Clipper> I was a 1/2 hour early. Forgot about the time change and thought I missed half of it.
<canuck> suprised to see still going on
<Brian> She started late.
<Brian> like an hour late.
<Clipper> No, the time changed.
<canuck> so I guess I caught most of it..will check log tomorrow to see
<Thunderoc> where are you canuck?
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<canuck> thunder...in Ontario...
<obany> 22:00 UTC is still UTC... but there is daylight savins time
<Clipper> Yep
<Thunderoc> ahhh...
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<Survivor> nomis,  can you tell me how to download/except the log from you?
<Thunderoc> canuck have you read zedatalk?
<canuck> thunder...lots of Canadians on troubled times
<Thunderoc> zetatalk^
<canuck> yes, have read almost all
<canuck> have you?
<Thunderoc> hmm really..
<Torbj> bye,folk´s....have to dream abit...goodNight!
<Clipper> Night
<Brian> S7L , do you think it would be benificail to have a web page that gives a zoom into the zeta-coordinates for amature astronomers?  June is just around the corner.
<Thunderoc> yep...all of it oce through
<Thunderoc> toook forever!!
<Thunderoc> once^
<S7L> greetings Brian.
<Brian> ;-)
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<S7L> Brian: not really. Firstly, during June Sun is in Orion so no observations will be possible.
<Survivor> Can anyone send me this last zetatalk log?
<Thunderoc> also sitchins books
<canuck> thunder..yes, took me about 3 weeks, several hours a day
<S7L> Secondly, given the coordinates amateur astronomers are able to point the scope so they can observe the field.
<canuck> yes, most of Sitchin's books
<Thunderoc> took me longer...so many links
<canuck> when did u find ZT
<S7L> Thirdly, such picture is misleading because there is always "Variance".
<S7L> So if I generate a picture, the planet x will not be there.
<Brian> Is that for all parts of the world that Orion will be in the sun?
<Thunderoc> and velikophsky;'s book 'Worlds in Collision
<canuck> yes, and Earth in Upheaveal, and edgar cayce amnd gordon M. scallion
<S7L> yes Brian.
<S7L> Earth is very small and Sun is very large
<Thunderoc> yep,yep,yep
<canuck> and lobsang rampa
<S7L> hence you can't expect any significant changes depending on your location
<S7L> besides, the blinding area around the Sun is even larger than Sun itself
<Thunderoc> sheesh..lol.took the words right out of me there canuck..lol
<canuck> similar path? :-)
<Thunderoc> uhuh
<S7L> amateur astronomers have calculated it takes until July-August before 11th magnitude will be visible in Orion
<canuck> guess you'll be moving soon?
<canuck> r u aware of tt-canada?
<Thunderoc> want to yes...into calgary area....i have kids though here...so it complicates things
<Brian> When I went to my local observatory it was shut down so the observatory director  and I where trying to look at those co-ordinates with a smaller scope out on the roof.  But we couldn't because he didn't know where to look, and he said callibrating the scope wasn't effective for some reason.
<Thunderoc> yes..
<canuck> ok
<Thunderoc> this thing...cost me my marriage
<canuck> calgary is a good spot..seveal people thereabouts from tt
<canuck> have heard that story before
<Survivor> anyone have the zetatalk log?  :(
<Freax> ooh
<obany> yes, but is it still magnitude 11 at that time ... for what i read it will increase in size more an more from mid 2002
<Thunderoc> uhuh..
<canuck> survivor, log will be up on website tomorrow
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<Thunderoc> in kelowna now
<Thunderoc> canuck...wanna exchange emails?
<Brian> He got out a whole bunch of sky photos so we could zoom in but that proved to be difficult.
<Survivor> k, just anxious to see what I missed...
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<Nomis> Good night! See you
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<Clipper> Obany ...... see query
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<Thunderoc> grrr @ this irc..
<Survivor> ChiefSimi, Thanks!! Got the log file now :)  
<Thunderoc> ok just came back to say goodbye all!!!  :o)
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<ChiefSimi> not at all, bye
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<Thunderoc> GoOdByE A LL  !!!  :o)..lol]
<Freax> see you later marriage breaker
<Freax> in a while pedophile
<Brian> good bye, I gotta eat something.
<canuck> how about some nice algae?
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<Brian> hehe
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<Thunderoc> hey canuck!
<canuck> with snails for dessert
<canuck> hey thunder!
<Brian> Yummm hehe
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<canuck> rolled in icing sugar...mmmm
<Freax> mmm snails =D
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<Thunderoc> I was saying maybee we should trade emails...I have files..you have files..lol'
<Thunderoc> @web here canuck
<Freax> ie im a man & yer a woman
<canuck> right..mine is caswat@cableworks.org
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