Session Start: Sat May 04 14:22:12 2002
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*** Set by obany on Sat May 04 10:50:00
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<samsara2003> Looks like a crop cirlce warning of a pole shift
<DuncanC> no, can you link?
<dethengor> i did samsara
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<SteveH> that movie should be interesting
<samsara2003> The subtitle of the movie is, "It's not like they didn't warn us"
<DuncanC> you are shitting me
<DuncanC> that's wild
<samsara2003> http://us.imdb.com/ImageView?u=http%3A//images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JL3R.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
<dethengor> no, i saw preview too, don't remember the subtitle, but i got bad memory ;)
<samsara2003> Check it out
<samsara2003> August
<samsara2003> 2nd
<DuncanC> wow...
<samsara2003> That's definately government sponsered...VERY SCARY
<samsara2003> Look at the PIC
<SteveH> yes, could be some big hints in that movie
<samsara2003> Sun--->earth--->NIBIRU (With a magnet on the end)
<samsara2003> POLESHIFT
<SteveH> nothing like a little pole shift warning movie to get the public thinking
<DuncanC> yeah and N/S poles...
<obany> okay some information, no chatter or asking questions during the answers, questions can be asked after the answer is given, follow up questions ... realted to the answer
<samsara2003> In fact, I've done some research and I cannot find this actual Glyph ever appearing
<SteveH> especially with the crazy weather etc. that has been going on
<DuncanC> this thing is really starting to spook me
<samsara2003> Looks like this glyph's design was deliberetly manufactered...
<Wage> what do you interprest the glyph to mean
<n>  Is there some more real "flash px-movie" like on http://www.sphere-mania.com
<obany> the earth and Niburi acting like a magnet
<Wage> which is which
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<matt> should be interesting to see what they have put in the movie...
<samsara2003> I think that this thing is going to blow wide open come late summer...
<samsara2003> Just my own intuition...
<S7L> samsara2003: I hope so.
<Wage> how would that be good? mass panic, etc
<samsara2003> We'll be better off in the long run...
<samsara2003> We're pissing this planet away and everyone knows it
<samsara2003> Besides...that means I don't have to fear death...
<matt> naah the public will just say "get me another beer hon, and change the channel"....
<obany> okay folks for during the session, no irrelevant chatter etc...
<Dimension-Rider> Px or no PX we'll destroy Earth at this rate!
<samsara2003> With Px, there won't be many to destory it...
<samsara2003> 4 billion dead...
<SteveH> even if it blows open the public at large will no be aware, but those who have been researching this will have more proof for themselves
<Dimension-Rider> it's to short or long approach with or without PX
<CyberVVizz> no no only 80% :-) I hove less
<matt> still could all just be a NWO scam....
<matt> :p
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<DuncanC> matt: haha, yeah the Uber-Illuminati
<matt> there the chaps
<DuncanC> they control *everything* mua-ha-ha ;)
<samsara2003> BTW, I think it may behoove the the people here who are certain about px's approach after it's spotted to keep a really low profile
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<samsara2003> If the conspiracy is this big, you could get wacked by MJ12
<S7L> samsara2003: nah, I don't think so. You get a new fascinating picture of something new and big and it will be front-paper news
<DuncanC> most people here are minor threats...
<samsara2003> There's probably a lurker in here right now
<dethengor> damn lurkers!
<obany> there is a new mj12 .. the former mj12 doesn't exist anymore
<matt> hehe
<obany> it's in zetatalk, goverment section
<matt> out! out! damn lurker!
<DuncanC> Nancy should release stats. on how many .gov IP's visit ZT
<dethengor> lol, that would be interesting duncan, hehe
<samsara2003> Hopefully the new MJ12 will increase public awareness of this event...Mel Gibson's movie is probably just the beginning...
<DuncanC> that would be fun to analyze
<Aye> http://www.signsmovie.co.uk/
<Jeremy> DuncanC: I've wondered how many hits ZT gets too
<obany> well Jeremy: i think it's a lot
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<samsara2003> Don't you find it strange that the first movie coming out about crop cirlces is one year before doomsday year
<Aye> this is a cool site about mel's new film
<Aye> http://www.signsmovie.co.uk/
<obany> hi gabe
<samsara2003> Yeah...I've seen the site - very cool flash animation
<Aye> aye
<Wage> ironic that they get mad max for the movie :)
<gabe> hi everyone
<samsara2003> I'm going to be in line August 2nd for the movie...
<DuncanC> haha
<obany> has been a while gabe, but hey how are you doing?
<dethengor> lol wage
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<gabe> obany: i'm doing quite well... just recently moved out to colorado
<matt> probably more by planning than by chance
<obany> aha okay
<Zetax> S7L : good work on the web pages.  I'm working on a site of my own...comprehensive.
<Aye> jeremy: you should take a look at
<Aye> http://www.signsmovie.co.uk/
<gabe> obany: but i've been following the irc sessions after the fact...
<samsara2003> OK---so's WHO's with MJ12 here....
<dethengor> lol
<Jeremy> Aye: Yeh I did have quick peek
<samsara2003> Anyone...anyone??
<S7L> Zetax: should we unite efforts? Email me on ZetaAstro, maybe we can do this together.
<samsara2003> Look_4--->You're awefully quiet over there
<CyberVVizz> :-),
<samsara2003> He's at:  iam@HSE-QuebecCity-mj123502086.sympatico.ca
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<Zetax> S7L : I was thinking the same thing.  Joined ZetaAstro, but waiting for email confirmation
<samsara2003> MJ12!!!look
<samsara2003> -mj123502086
<DuncanC> hahaha
<look_4> sam: as my name implies, I'm only looking for... information. I am quiet because what I'd have to say doesnt matter... what do I know?
<S7L> Zetax: okay. I'll be hearing from you, then :-) there is some third individual from sci.astro, too, maybe we could pick him along as well.
<samsara2003> Just kidding...I hoaxed that....
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<S7L> unfortunately I do not remember who/where.
<obany> aha gabe, and did you liked reading them, the session logs that is ?
<Zetax> S7L : I'll email you when I finally get on ZetaAstro
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<S7L> Deal.
<gabe> obany: very much so... but it also makes me want to attend to ask followups :)
<samsara2003> 22:00 UTC...is that 5:00pm CST?
<matt> hmmmm interesting that the movie site is set up by the cropcircle debunkers  "circlemakers"
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<dethengor> here is link to a quicktime for Signs moview, is Disney's offical site: http://bventertainment.go.com/movies/signs/trailer/t_index.html
<samsara2003> circlemakers isn't a debunker site
<S7L> it's now 21:40 UTC, samsara.
<Jeremy> I hope Nancy is OK, time is marching on..
* bluefox slaps Bob around a bit with a large trout
<S7L> nancy has still about 20 minutes to make it.
<obany> gabe :)
<Jeremy> S7L: right
<S7L> she claims to start about 30 minutes early in case there are some problems.
<jj> has she ever missed a session before?
<Bob> huh?
<S7L> no, jj.
<obany> well i think she will arrive here on time
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<Jeremy> Bob: Are you from UK?
<samsara2003> Circlemakers is the ambiquous name given by 'croppies' to who ever's making the crop cirlces...not referring neccessarily to human makers
<Bob> No, US
<Jeremy> Bob: OK
<superzod> ;
<Dimension-Rider> Who is here from UK - give us a shout out
<superzod> me
<Jeremy> me
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<SteveH> well, time to go off and see the Spider Man movie!
<matt> circlemakers is a group who claim to be circlemakers
<Aye> cirlce makers are human: http://www.circlemakers.org/
<superzod> huh. is spiderman out ?
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<matt> http://www.circlemakers.org/perpetrators.html
<obany> steveh: Peter Parker ;PP
<SteveH> just opened yesterday
<SteveH> :))
<Bob> steveh: right before the session?
<Torbj> god night to you all!
<superzod> cool. let us know if its any good
<SteveH> yeah, great timing huh?
<superzod> why steve ?  (great timing)
<CyberVVizz> no it's a mathematicaly educated mouse who has eaten poray and blows the grain away
<Dimension-Rider> Any of those in UK considered/started a survival group?
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<SteveH> because spidey was my favourite superhero,
<Bob> I heard great special effects
<superzod> not yet. once I ahve 100% certainty
<SteveH> I can read the chat log later anyways...
<tizza> a super good morning to all from downunder :):)
<Jeremy> Dimension-Rider: I've got a website concering that which I haven't registered with search engine yet
<DavidS> Only 2 weeks when Star Wars II - Attack of the Clones will arrive....
* S7L is unanticipating star wars 2
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<Torbj> thanx from above!
<S7L> still hasn't even watched 1.
<matt> same S7L
<Bob> not missing anything
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<Dimension-Rider> ok Jeremy - perhaps you can list or send the URL
<DavidS> Strange:-) The philosophy in these movies - good against evil is a funny thing..:-)
<obany> well i will go to watch it, attack of the clones
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<superzod> k
* S7L might want to play Jedi Outcast though
<dethengor> lol, in the game?
<matt> new game?
<dethengor> yes, is one comming out from Sony
<dethengor> is online, like everquest
<S7L> Jedi Outcast is a very nifty-looking game.
<matt> PC?
<tizza> is good game S7l
<matt> FPS?
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<gabe> for those interested, i highly recommend the following book: When Technology Fails: A Manual for Self-Reliance and Planetary Survival
<tizza> morning nancy
<Jeremy> Hi Nancy
<gabe> here's the  link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1574160478/qid=1020548765/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_67_1/103-3093617-8358210
<NancyL> Just sent the Agenda to Jurian and Gerard, posted here now for the early birds too.
<NancyL> PLANE/TRAIN WRECKS & SAFETY
<NancyL> 1 Will air travel be possible in the few weeks before pole shift?
<NancyL> 2. I've been noticing alot of plane crashes. This was even before last September 11th. At the time I just dismissed it as being overly conscious of it but now it seems they are increasing in frequency and of course, people are flying into buildings.
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<matt> ?
<NancyL> WTC / PENTAGON COLLAPSE
<NancyL> 1. Did the buildings collapse due to the combustion of jet fuel weakening the steel floor joists (as claimed by investigators), or were explosives stategically placed and detonated to achieve the collapse.
<NancyL> 2. The pictures from the explosion after the aircraft that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon seem very strange, in that the ground floor was hit and exploded first, the upper floors collapsed later, there was no aircraft debris, no damages where the wings should have been etc. What was the real story behind the Pentagon explosion?
<NancyL> DISTANCE
<NancyL> 1. I still do not understand how exactly Planet X so far away should affect the Earth because we have much stronger influences nearby - Jupiter for a magnetic one, and Moon for gravity, for instance. How exactly does this all work out?
<NancyL> 2. How can a tiny body far away cause changes? What is the mechanism?
<NancyL> Someone sent me an e-mail saying that Yahoo would host the full 3 hours of the Mysteries of the Mind interview NOW, so all don't have to wait until next Wed to hear it from the MoM site.
<NancyL> But I didn't get a link to Yahoo, does anyone know if this is in place?
<matt> not yet
<samsara2003> Dont' tell me that someone set explosives on the WTC...
<NancyL> I put a note in my media page anyway, so anyone coming to get it will find that, I suppose.
<NancyL> Samsara, not according to ZT, no.
<samsara2003> ok...I'm still here then... :)
<dethengor> hehe
<tizza> :)
<Jeremy> Nancy, is the coming 'shoe' dropping event related to 911?
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<Zetapal> hi guys
<NancyL> Jeremy, no, no 911 relationship to the "shoes" I'm expecting :-)
<Torbj> hi, zetapalito1
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<Jeremy> NancyL: Good... :)
<NancyL> Zetapal, one of your Q's got on the agenda.  The Earth Twin thing is already answered in ZT.
<samsara2003> Nancy: I'm wondering if the Zeta's specifically suscribe to the "Law of One" which I've been reading about extensively
<Zetapal> Torbj Hows your stomach?
<NancyL> Samsara2003, they say it'
<DraganR> Nancy do you expecting something to happen in ROME- ITALY ??
<Torbj> wrey god indeed!!
<DraganR> Something BIG
<Torbj> thx for caring!
<Zetapal> lol
<samsara2003> Nancy: Remember my email on the Earth Twin---also validated in the RA material...
<NancyL> it's genuine, but ALL channeled work can conflict with other valid work, for many reasons, so you must read with your feelings as much as anything, I suppose.
<samsara2003> VERY obscure...
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<CyberVVizz> popie jopie shut himself to Moon
<NancyL> For ZetaPal et al, I'll post here, just a couple lines.
<Torbj> my stomach is doing alot of gardening tis days
<tizza> nancy : got anything to do with these israelies wanting to start ww3?
<NancyL> I was shocked to read tonight in the book the RA material
<NancyL> (isbn:0-89865-260-x), on page 117 it states during a channeling session:
<NancyL> Questioner: Is there a planet opposite our sun, in relation to us, that
<NancyL> we do not know about?
<NancyL> RA: I am Ra.  There is a sphere in the area opposite your sun of a very,
<NancyL> very cold nature, but large enough to skew certain statistical figures.
<NancyL> This sphere should not properly be called a planet as it is locked in
<NancyL> first density.
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<samsara2003> I wonder where the author got the idea to ask this question...that's what I wonder...
<Torbj> cyberwis...what do you mean by "the pope going to moon"?
<CyberVVizz> :-)) prediction
<S7L> tizza: illogical. Why would israelilans want to start third world war?
<matt> pope wants to go to Iraq!
<tizza> cause theyre in bush's palm and he wants distractions??
<NancyL> Tizza, I have a hunch that the Bush/Israel private lunches et all included an assurance by Bush that Sharon should do "whatever necessary" to go after terrorists and he'd look the other way.
<NancyL> Sharon is too arrogant, too sure, etc.
<CyberVVizz> true
<S7L> tizza: oh, but isn't that a little big thing for a distraction?
<NancyL> Samsara2003, maybe the theory has been around for awhile, an Alternative 1, 2, 3 leak or somesuch.
<wage> butcher of beruit, not a nice guy
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<tizza> i think it is a very dangerous game they r playing over there
<CyberVVizz> I mean Pope shall swift to other soon
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<samsara2003> maybe...haven't run across anything...and your zeta accuracy support is a little weak...
<tizza> and you cant predict all outcomes...these things have a way of snowballing
<samsara2003> :(
<Torbj> cyber....i have made an "intro" thatīs going to be in a internetgame.....where the pope is going with a "ship" to an "incomingplanet2
<n>  Can you predict a cropcircle location?
<Zetapal> that's interesting Nancy - corroborated/cross-referenced spiritual/channeled material is a potential reinforcer I think.
<CyberVVizz> :-) we share thoughts ! :-))
<samsara2003> Mr...so-n-so said...blah blah blah...comeon...
<NancyL> To put the pole shift into perspective, the Z's have said that this will make the Arabs and Israelis forget about their little spats.
<samsara2003> I can forgive that though...
<CyberVVizz> stt, I am with a spirit here, doesn't desturb it Nancy ?
<Zetax> samsara2003: idea for earth twin on the opposite side of sun was in a sci fi move in early 70's
<samsara2003> I've heard of that...probably not where the original idea came from though...
<NancyL> N, no predictions on crop circles.  Not on sightings either.  
<S7L> the earth's twin idea was conceived because of some gravitational perturbations observed on other planets, I think
<S7L> so it wasn't a full sci-fi idea back then.
<Aye> what do the zeta say about mel gibson's new film: signs
<NancyL> OK, we're on the hour, I think, so will start ...
<n>  Put the Zeta's "cropcircles" on Apples??
<samsara2003> Nancy: do the zetas have any thoughts on the upcoming Cropcicle movie called "Sign's" by Mel Gibson: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0286106?
<Torbj> hehe...i can bring you some secīs of it if you wanr watch
<NancyL> PLANE/TRAIN WRECKS & SAFETY
<NancyL> 1 Will air travel be possible in the few weeks before pole shift?
<NancyL> 2. I've been noticing alot of plane crashes. This was even before last September 11th. At the time I just dismissed it as being overly conscious of it but now it seems they are increasing in frequency and of course, people are flying into buildings.
<obany> okay hush now folks session has started
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<NancyL> ZT: In early 1995, when discussion of the coming pole shift began within ISCNI, the focus was on the shift itself and the new geography afterwards.
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<bluefox> if a man flaps his arms, air travel is definitely possible
<CyberVVizz> sssht
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<NancyL> ZT: As those who are planning a trip think of the beach, and what to wear, NOT of the fatigue during the road trip of flat tire that might occur.
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<NancyL> ZT: As we have explained, the week of rotation stoppage does not arrive unannounced.
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<NancyL> ZT: Earthquakes have been predicted by us to increase in frequency and strengh going into the shift itself, and this includes the present time, the year prior to the shift.
<NancyL> ZT: Weather irregularies will continue in the manner we have described since 1995, with increasing swings and extremes.
<NancyL> ZT: Crop shortages and difficulties in growing crops to marketability will likewise follow these weather extremes.
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<NancyL> ZT: Struggling companies, worldwide, will find they must shrink or die and this activity affects the economy worldwide, with teterring economies collapsing in stages, as we have predicted.
<NancyL> ZT: But there are aspects of these predictions not detailed, which are coming apparent the year prior to the shift.
<NancyL> ZT: What are these aspects?
<NancyL> ZT: 1. Earth crust plates that are coming under increasing pressure will no longer react only with increased quakes, shaking and minor adjustments along the fault lines.
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<NancyL> ZT: The plates will start to SHOW these signs of increased presure in their interior.
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<NancyL> ZT: It was noted that black water appeared in the Carribean, which we described as dirt freed from overlapping rock layers recently disturbed.
<NancyL> ZT: Subsequent to this, a train wreck in Florida occured, just after the tracks were inspected, and the engineer reported seeing buckled tracks in front of him.
<NancyL> ZT: Why did the tracks buckle?  The ground not only heaved, it moved sideways, or compressed, and this will not be the only occurrence of such a train wreck for similar reasons.
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<NancyL> ZT: 2. Atmospheric disturbances, beyond those usually encountered and thus watched for by pilots, are occurring.
<NancyL> ZT: Even prior to the year before the shift, what is called micro-bursts were being increasingly reported and downed planes blamed on this.
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<NancyL> ZT: If the weather is moving to extremes, this equates to hotter air masses, colder drafts, and sudden wind equalizing these air masses.
<NancyL> ZT: Beyond these problems, airplanes use satellites to guide them, magnetic orientation to guide them, and these likewise will either fail on occasion or given invalid readings.
<NancyL> ZT: 3. Where we have mentioned increasing illness, from known germs and also those unexpected which are appearing in new environments, this is taking mankind by shock when it does occur.
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<NancyL> ZT: The fact that doctors are guessing MOST of the time when treating illness, and that this has been the case up until the present, is lost on the public as they have been lulled by the medical establishment into thinking a trip to the doctor will cure them.
<NancyL> ZT: Honest doctors admit they are guessing most of the time, trying things, and any confident air is a falsehood to get the patients to payup ahead of time.
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<NancyL> ZT: Now that new illnesses, or familiar illnesses in strange places, are occurring, the public is agast, but this is in fact the status quo.
<NancyL> ZT: During the year prior to the shift, this will be in the news increasingly, an up tick from the present situation.
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<NancyL> ZT: 4. The barter system will be utilized in the year prior to the shift, increasingly, even when the monitary system in a country is supposedly secure and stabilized.
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<NancyL> ZT: The public, seeing how rapidly Argentina went into the toilet, and the glowing terms ascribed to the banking and Stock Markets of the world, are suspicious.
<NancyL> ZT: How many Enron's are out there?  And knowing that the public will be the last to hear about a pending collapse, they are thinking how to survive, NOW, and not waiting for their leadership to shaft them.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<samsara2003> Any zeta predictions on U.S. climate conditions this summer---temperaturewise?
<wage> how many "Enrons" are out there?
<Jeremy> Will bad weather likely cause flight cancellations in 2003?
<NancyL> ZT to Samsara2003: There are predictions, NOT by us, that 130 degree temps might be occurring.
<JoeyB> Are the elite contributing to our health problems to a significant degree?
<samsara2003> United states?
<samsara2003> By whom???
<NancyL> ZT: In that weather irregularies are smoothed, by nature, by increased atmospheric activity or ocean currents, such extremes will NOT occur.
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<NancyL> ZT: Rather, ossilating extremes, similar to what the world has already experienced, will occur.
<obany> what about the countries that don't have fault lines will they alo expierence problems with the plates/ground?
<samsara2003> ok
<NancyL> ZT: Sudden shift to cold weather, sudden unseasonably warm weather, and the like.
<NancyL> End ZT to Samsara2003.
<NancyL> ZT to Wage: There are dozens of Enrons, many with far worse accounting and broader impact.
<samsara2003> Is IBM a potential Enron?
<NancyL> ZT: In fact, our prediction on a Stock Market collapse, wherein the value of todays stock falls to 1/4 its current value, will be triggers in the main by revelations of this.
<Zetapal> better sell it sam - lol
<Torbj> Ericsson is falling appart!
<DuncanC> NancyL:  any Zeta comment on the lack of a visible object in the sky at their coordinates, as shown here: http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
<samsara2003> Any idea when this collapse might occur?
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<NancyL> ZT: These situations have a tenuous hold, now, and could unravel based on any number of breaks in the dike.
<obany> duncand: not related to this session ....
<Bob> Worlcom and Merril Lynch have been in the news for this possibility
<sirgrim> any new word on the shoe dropping?
<DuncanC> ... important all the same
<NancyL> ZT: Once this process starts, there will be domino effects, with a rapid collapse of the markets and banks.
<NancyL> End ZT to Wage.
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<CyberVVizz> is gold an alternative (temporaly) ?
<dethengor> gold has no real value tho
<dethengor> can't eat it
<Torbj> you cant eat gold
<CyberVVizz> yes you can :-)
<NancyL> ZT to Gerard (obany): Jeremy has reported that England is experiencing sink holes, an oddity for this land, recently.
<Torbj> maybe build with it
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<NancyL> ZT: Plates under pressure may or may not adjust according to their known or anticipated reactions.
<Jeremy> NancyL: Yes, crater formed in Blackheath Hill, SE London
<wage> what events will indicate an incipient market collapse?
<NancyL> ZT: Mountain building can occur, in a small degree, and likewise sudden depression in areas that are subducting.
<NancyL> ZT: In every plate, there are areas where the layers of rock are crumbly, not solid, and when this crumbles, anything could happen on the surface, from a drop to a rise, inclusing shifts in the water table.
<samsara2003> To ZT: Any comments on the effects of a poleshift on Milwauke, WI? (not mentioned specifically on their previous dialoge)
<samsara2003> Milwaukee...(mispelled my own city's name)
<NancyL> ZT: To predict just what soft spot might adjust, or what fault line might lift, in the year prior to the shift is flirting with our guidelines from the Council of Worlds whicch forbid us to warm mankind of speicific, immediate, dangers such as quakes.
<NancyL> End ZT to Geard.
<NancyL> OK the hour moves along, onto Q2
<NancyL> WTC / PENTAGON COLLAPSE
<NancyL> 1. Did the buildings collapse due to the combustion of jet fuel weakening the steel floor joists (as claimed by investigators), or were explosives stategically placed and detonated to achieve the collapse.
<NancyL> 2. The pictures from the explosion after the aircraft that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon seem very strange, in that the ground floor was hit and exploded first, the upper floors collapsed later, there was no aircraft debris, no damages where the wings should have been etc
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<NancyL> ZT: This was addressed during the interview but we will repeat.  
<Thunderoc> <which forbid us to war mankind> sounds like Enki's/biblical flood warning as well?
<Thunderoc> warn^
<Okidok> yes there where no flight in the offical video relation
<NancyL> ZT: Akin to our prediction that plates will adjust to increasing pressure by interior, notjust fault line, changes, the ground under cities will experience these too.
<NancyL> ZT: Urban residents are lulled into thinking that they are safe, the gas lines capped and water lines tight, electric power trips to keep surges in line,
<NancyL> ZT: Millions go to work and fall asleep assured by their leaders that all is in hand, with rescue teams alert and at the ready.
<NancyL> ZT: In fact, the weak link is just waiting to break, from a source not anticipated by the city architects.
<NancyL> ZT: Water lines can snap when the pipping is put under pressure or stretched.
<NancyL> ZT: Gas lines certainly can experience cracks and snaps.
<NancyL> ZT: If electrical power lines, not as insulated as reported, and leaking gas, and water that conducts electricity, are put together, what do you have?
<NancyL> ZT: Building with heavy plumbing running up to all the toilets and showers have a sinkhole developing under them, they will implode.
<NancyL> ZT: Gas lines leaks set off in an explosion cause by adjustments under a city, will NOT just be limited to a building or block, but will ricochet through the city, creating a holocaut potentially.
<NancyL> ZT: Some of these potentailly can make the WTC disaster look mild.
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<wage> is this the reason for the exploding manhole covers in washington, DC?
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<NancyL> ZT: Conspiracy theories have noted that during the WTC explosions occurred almost immediately in floors below the strick area, or in the case of the Pentagon, above.
<NancyL> ZT: The theory is floated that these plane strikes were assisted by insiders, wanting to create the climate that the Bush Administration has been all too happy to take advantage of.
<NancyL> ZT: Civil rights limited, the military beefed up, and not questions asked as its all National Security.
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<ultima> hello nancy
<NancyL> ZT: A plane crashing into the side of a tall building does not just break windows, it creates a minor earthquake in the structure, snapping plumging, as well as rupturing the fuel tanks.
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<obany> ultima: session is busy started 38 minuts ago .. hush now :)
<ultima> sorry
<NancyL> ZT: Fuel dropping into a ventilation shaft, mixing with air, is an ideal explosive mix, and would drop DOWN into the shaft to the floors below.
<NancyL> ZT: This is what occurrd in the WTC.
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise, where a plane crashes into the lower floor of a building, such as the Pentagon, the fuel will not go DOWN, but spew upward along any avenu it has.
<NancyL> ZT: Stairwells, for instance, carry not only fuel but fumes, and mixing with the air and having an updraft handy, this is likewise the direction an explosion would take.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, where those wanting to incite Marshal Law in the US with the OKC and TWA800 and Waco incidents did not succeed, they were handed an unexpected opportunity in the 911 events.
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<NancyL> ZT: In that these NWO types seem delighted to take advantage of these opportunitys, the public is rightfully suspicous, but 911 was nOT their plan in any manner or degree.
<NancyL> End ZT fo9llowup?
<wage> is everything then lined up for martial law?
<Jan> Why was there no plane debris found at the pentagon?
<n>  Are cropcircles in the main orbit symbols? or chakra symbols or something else?? Has the Zeta's something to say more about it?
<ultima> nancy what is it like to meet zetas?
<Okidok> This Pentagon issue is scary if it is true
<obany> N: not related to this session
<ultima> i have had encounters
<NancyL> ZT to Wage: Marshal Law requires a number of steps outside of what has occurred.
<Jan> And what abou the damage that should have come from the wings?
<NancyL> ZT: The reaction of the uS public to the restrictions that have been attempted have convinced the architects that full blown Marshall Law would be a mistake.
<NancyL> ZT: They will rather use the excuse of Homeland Security to the max, and watch the line so they do not cross it and reveal their true wishes.
<NancyL> ZT: The constant warning of terrorist acts about to happen are to keep this sense alive, even though most of these warnings are without basis.
<NancyL> End ZT to Wage.
<matt> doesn't really matter if they have only got 1 year till Px....
<bluefox> regarding the pentagon plane, perhaps it nose dived onto the building as apposed to slicing in from the side?
<NancyL> ZT to Jan: The Pentagon experienced sever fires, an inferno with no place to go.
<NancyL> ZT: The WTC fires had all four directions available to them, up, down, and sideways.
<ultima> yeah 1 year to PX arrival
<NancyL> ZT: The Pentagon had the fuel fix going UP, creating a heat barrier so the heat of the burning plane itsefl could not dissipate upward.
<ultima> we must get ready
<bluefox> perhaps zt is part of the conspiracy too :)
<wage> if the WTC attack was intended to only destabilize a bank, then why did they also attack the pentagon?
<samsara2003> I want to get to the Px question...
<NancyL> ZT: Like a blast furnace, encased, this creates super high heat, which melts many objects otherwise remaining in a fire.
<Torbj> hink of this....itīs a fire within you....you will colapse....
<NancyL> ZT: It is an untrue statement that there were nO plane remains, just not what was expected, and thus rumors abount.
<NancyL> End ZT to Jan.
<Jan> Thanks!
<ultima> 1 year?
<Torbj> and then rise as newoners
<Torbj> newones...
<obany> may 2002 may 2003 one year yes
<NancyL> Wage, no one said it was ONLY to attack a bank, etc.
<ultima> tell me are people due to eveolve, more so without zetan contact?
<CyberVVizz> blue marhmellows
<NancyL> I'm going to the last Q, left over from last week, as time is short.
<NancyL> DISTANCE
<NancyL> 1. I still do not understand how exactly Planet X so far away should affect the Earth because we have much stronger influences nearby - Jupiter for a magnetic one, and Moon for gravity, for instance. How exactly does this all work out?
<NancyL> 2. How can a tiny body far away cause changes? What is the mechanism?
<NancyL> ZT: We have explained on numerous occasions how equilibrium in a solar system works, but still this is confusing to our audience.
<Torbj> when you see a building collapse....itīs you collapsing
<obany> okay hush now question is being answered by the Zetas
<Torbj> if you see this coillapse of the building as something new to be born....you are to be reborne!
<ultima> cona cheops lea
<NancyL> ZT: The existing structure is explained by mankinds scientists as coming out of the big bang, planets caught in a gravity field, on the move so not going directly into the sun, and thus estalishing an orbit.
<obany> okay folks .. HUSH :)
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<NancyL> ZT: Why all the planets are in the ecliptic, like the rings of trash around Saturn, is not explained.
<NancyL> ZT: How the Moon can remain aloft above Earth, while so massive and moving so slowly, is not addressed, even though this does not compute when Newton's law of Centrifugal force and the Inverse Square Law of gravity, both mankinds staples, are applied.
<NancyL> ZT: Mankind cannot explain how his own solar system is structures, but presumes to insist that centrifual force is what keeps everything in the place it is, when combined with gravity attraction.
<ultima> how can one servive nancy if he is service to other but has diabties is it not better to commit suicide then to live?
<NancyL> ZT: In this context, it is understandable that mankind is confused as to why a planet some 9 Sun-Pluto distances away can create a swirling core in the Earth when first starting out on its periodic passage through the solar system.
<NancyL> ZT: Gravity must be mild, as Jupiter does not seem to affect the Earth.
<NancyL> ZT: Magnetic confusion should be minimal, as Mercury is closer and seems to have no effect on Earth.
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<NancyL> ZT: What is missing in these conclusions is the network that is in place, a STABILIZATION of all these pulls and pushes, which is not apparent to man as he is seeing the RESULT, not the arrival, of the stablilizing.
<ultima> what will happen to the ones who are in serious need of medication, if they are lost then weeping is in my eyes on that fatefull  night
<obany> ultima: not related see my query to you ...
<NancyL> ZT: Were everyone in a group to hold hands tighly, in a circle around a large air balloon, they would become fixed in place, unable to move unless a grip was let go.
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<NancyL> ZT: A child, seeing this, would assume that this was "normal" and set about to play in the grass nearby.
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<ultima> thank you
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<NancyL> ZT: Should someone ask the child why these people were standing thus, he's be puzzled, not having noticed them, still as they were.
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<NancyL> ZT: But should a grip let go, on the opposite side of the balloon, bodies might jerk, adjust, and the child startled.
<NancyL> ZT: He does not see the point where the grip released.
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<Torbj> and the child would say.....they know....
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise, a decrease in pressure in the baloon would cause wiggling in the people thus circline, it, as now there was wiggle room where before they were stretched tight.
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<samsara2003> I don't understand that anology
<NancyL> ZT: The child would be alarmed!  Why are these people shuffling their feet, moving their handshakes up and down!  Perhaps turning their head to look his way!
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, like a child, not understanding that the solar system you are USED TO is the result of many factors FIXED, but now ADJUSTING, you see every change as a shock.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<BrianC> Does this stabalizing occur as small movements inside the planets themselves?
<jubjub963> So, the z's are saying that it is a combo of gravity and magnetics upsetting the equilibrium?
<S7L> actually, I asked why jupiter's strong magnetic field has no effect but planet x's very distant one does.
<IMO> What you claim is said by "mankinds scientists" is simply not what we say.
<IMO> We don't say that about centrifugal force
<IMO> That is not how we say planetary systems are formed
<IMO> Jupiter does effect the Earth's orbit and we can measure that effect
<IMO> Your childlike analogy makes no sense at all
<IMO> As usual, you know nothing of science
<S7L> the answer is 'some mystic equilibrium is being changed'
<IMO> Meanwhile,Go to the bottom of these pages to see clear proof that
<IMO> Nancy is wrong ... her predicted planet is not there
<IMO> Dec 5: http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/44minCCD.htm
<IMO> Jan 5 and 19: http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
<NancyL> Once again, mankind described as children :-) but trying to give you the perspective of "not knowing", I guess :-)
<DuncanC> Zetas need to address the lack of any new object in CCD images...
<ultima> the angels fleet their feet or they know of the time to come :(
<NancyL> ZT to BrianC: The disrupted equiplibrium affects literally millions of subatomic particles that mankind is not aware of.
<Jeremy> The ecliptic is taken for granted by astronomers, the ZTs are right about that
<obany> okay this is not sci.astro so for that kind of disucssion go over ther please imo, s7l, duncanc
<NancyL> ZT: For us to give you an understanding would require that you be lectured on these, and Nancy would be in a state of exhuastion, and you would still not understand.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, we decline to elaborate.
<DuncanC> obany: give me a break.  this is all moot if there's nothing in the sky, am I wrong?
<NancyL> ZT to S7L: Jupiter does NOT have a strong magnetic field, it is a conduit.
<BrianC> hahaha, of course, thanks though, so the particles and there flows.
<NancyL> ZT: This is explained in existing ZetaTalk on the Sun's magnetism.
<ultima> i under stand this when one channels they loose large emounts of energy
<IMO> Bull .. Jupiter has the strongest field in the solar system
<ultima> very quickly
<S7L> why does jupiter then have this large bow shock as it creates its magnetosphere?
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<S7L> similar to Earth's, only vastly larger?
<NancyL> ZT: Earth and Mercury align with the Sun.  Jupiter and Saturn, being gasseous planets, do NOT have their own magnetic field.
<Jeremy> Earth has strongest magnetic field of inner planets
<CyberVVizz> Is this almost the same thing we known as the surfacepressure in a glas of water, let floating a paper, or boat ?  Every body makes a presure into the surrounding ?
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<ultima> bye nancy love unto all service to others
<NancyL> ZT: Their substance thus takes the flow of magnetic particles from the North Pole of the Sun around to the South Pole of the Sun, directly.
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<obany> well what do you think ... and once again this is not sci.astro. And it seems that some of them only join here go give negative comments all of the time ...and right now this is not the place for that
<NancyL> ZT: Pluto, being solid and having a magnetic core, is attempting to align with the Sun, again, as Earth and Mercury do, from the periphery.
<NancyL> End ZT to S7L
<wage> so the magnetic field is generated from our iron core, which jupiter doesn' t have (being gaseous)?
<DuncanC> NancyL: why not just ask the Zetas why there's nothing visible in the CCD images taken?
<IMO> Jupiter's core is metalic hydrogen
<S7L> I thank you, but I do disagree. How do you explain the great magnetosphere unless by virtue of a real, actual magnetic field?
<obany> duncanc: and why don't you go back to sci.astro ... ???
<RobH> how are you so SURE of these things IMO?  have we sampled the core yet? i think NOT!
<NancyL> To see clear proof that IMO is wrong, see http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90446.htm
<DuncanC> obany:  I'm not here to bash anyone, Nancy's been more than helpful and has my deep respect.  However, I do my own investigations, and in them I find nothing new in the sky, hence my curiosity
<IMO> obany: Nancy started the science talk, not us
<S7L> In fact, I'm responsible; it's my question.
<S7L> I thank for the answer but cuoldn't be enlightened by it.
<NancyL> I think this stuff about Sun's magnetism is a link from the ZetaTalk Accuracy TOPIC.  Anyway, its in Science.
<Torbj> your cueriosity is bringing you here
<jubjub963> why do the z's insist clear proof, when the pictures are still unclear, i'm just sayin ..
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<Torbj> duncan
<DuncanC> to see clear proof that there does not appear to be a new object, see http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
<obany> i know that s7l.. and i know how you think about zetatalk since some time ... so :)
<DuncanC> torbj: yes, this is true.
<NancyL> S7L, the Sun is aligned with even greater forces outside the solar system.  
<S7L> NancyL: mm, possible.
<NancyL> Mankind, dunces that we are, think this is a limited scope, etc.
<S7L> (what forces would these be?)
<DuncanC> honestly I thought I had seen everything until I found ZT
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<NancyL> Well folks, having started this fist fight in the group, I'm going to ditch out and have supper.
<S7L> obany: I'm trying to get a clarification on these science issues but it's like trying to sieve fog
<DuncanC> so much, and so accurate, so intuitive..  but there's nothing new in the sky, and this is what N doesn't address... <sigh>
<S7L> but I thank you, Nancy, for the time. Good night/day and all.
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<CyberVVizz> well sorry, i am not for Zetatlk, but the space equibilirum is true
<dethengor> night nancy, thank you
<RobH> enjoy your dinner :)
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<BrianC> Nancy, although I wouldn't mind a small Zeta-Lecture, expecially on there mathematics nevermind science. :-)
<Torbj> what are you eating today Nancy+
<DuncanC> Nancy, again why not ask the zetas why there does not appear to be anything new where you have circled...
<NancyL> Thank you all for inspiring great ZT, and don't forget to check in for the FULL 3 hour interview with Mysteries of the Mind next Wednesday, 5/9, when it will be replayed.
<NancyL> Shrimp salad.
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<NancyL> Bye bye!!!
<obany> bye Nancy an thanks to the Zetas for the answer
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<samsara2003> bye
<ultima> bye
<DuncanC> why not... unless of course there is nothing in the sky
<Jan> Bye Nancy
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<ultima> thanks
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<Torbj> hehe...chrimp is good....not to warm ythogh
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<wage> we'll see come agust duncanc
<BrianC> Did she have any words on the shoe dropping
<Torbj> though
<DuncanC> what a joke, why completely ignore my evidence?
<wage> august that is
<samsara2003> Anyone listen to the Lyrics of "Is this the end?" by Creed?
<jubjub963> ur not alone Duncan, if by august or sept nothing, then that's pretty much it
<samsara2003> ..."When two worlds collide...one steals all life like a theif in the night"
<_wooferBR_> <DuncanC> Something i'm also asking...
<DuncanC> it's not like I've been unreasonable.  She just doesn't want to admit that maybe she got a little hasty in saying that it's visible
<BrianC> Shoe Dropping? Anything new?
<obany> samsara: is that from the new album ?
<samsara2003> dunno...
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<Aye> do the Zetas appear in mel's new film
<DuncanC> arrrg.. so frustrating
<S7L> DuncanC: more precisely, she has no response and is calculating a way out.
<samsara2003> It's the Nibiru Theme
<samsara2003> lol
<Domicile> We need pics from the Hubble
<Torbj> your evidence?
<DuncanC> S7L: highly likely
<samsara2003> Aye:don't think so...it's only implied...quite seriously, I might add
<samsara2003> Anhyone here work for NASA?
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<DuncanC> she really does ignore conflicting evidence, even when it's HARD evidence... seriously, anyone who thinks there is an object in the sky needs to go to http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
<Aye> samsare2003: have you seen it?
<BrianC> S7L but isn't there at least an increase in the noise for that part of the sky?
<samsara2003> not out yet
<DuncanC> BrianC: check it out for yourself
<BrianC> I have
<S7L> BrianC: nothing that could be claimed to be conclusive. There appears to be no "movement" or anything such
<BrianC> I see increased noise.
<DuncanC> it doesn't look like anything has changed
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<Aye> so how do you know its implied?
<DuncanC> where? in 1/5 image?
<CyberVVizz> it's a gorck spaceship
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<BrianC> 9 times farther out than pluto and it's not immiting any light... hmmm
<BrianC> kinda hard to see don't you think?
<S7L> brianc: the pictures are taken with different scopes and in different atmospheric conditions with different sensitivities
<Torbj> your evidence is your own creation of your own ecxpression of yuor own mind.....and yes....thatīs truly an evidence....of your own existance
<S7L> the exposure times are longish for this kind of equipment.
<jubjub963> i'll check periodically over the summer, but by the end, there better be a better image
<bobope> how large are your scopes?
<DuncanC> brianc: i totally agree, however she's SAID that you CAN see it and she's circled and labelled it in images
<S7L> many things can be causing it. The noise we are observing is nothing like how Nancy has claimed her planet X would appear
<jubjub963> i mean i'll check the web site
<CyberVVizz> torbj, even elfs exists, doe You known :)
<Zetapal> mid 2002 is the next cross-roads , according to Z's planet X should be CLOSE ENOUGH to see with amateur grade telescopes - we've waited this long for confirmation a few more months won't hurt none....and z's analogy was a simple one(perhaps too simple for some)...there's alot we don't know but think we do,and the solar system is a balanced SYSTEM of forces interacting,thus any disturbance to the system affects it...now that doesn't
<DraganR> regards to all, see you next week
<BrianC> Yes and I do see her point when she says that infra red gets messed up by our atmosphere.
<Domicile> Could we get Hubble to image the area? That would finalize the discussion.
<Zetapal> anything but it does explain it
<S7L> Zetapal: well, no, it doesn't.
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<DuncanC> domicile: what, you think the ppl that run Hubble are going to let that happen?
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<S7L> I asked what specific stuff creates this balance in reality. Nancy said it's particle flows man doesn't understand and that's about it
<wage> i don't have any problem with the idea that human science is wrong on a lot of counts, history demonstrates this to be the case.
<CyberVVizz> zeta's can kick humble a little bit ;-))
<DuncanC> BrianC:  but seriously...  I don't see any noise increase
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<S7L> but there isn't any particular balance, it's not like she says.
<S7L> or if there is, I want to know how it works
<obany> and how do you know that fore sure s7l ???
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<Zetapal> I'm not interested in arguing...c yall next week :)
<Aye> will you take the miney and run?
<obany> so you want an actual explanation with calculations and all ???
<BrianC> Sure, guess though that the scopes that are pointed in that direction aren't good enough to see it yet.
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<DuncanC> sigh...  best of luck, all
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<S7L> obany: I want something that can be _understood_.
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<Torbj> wait a moment!
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<CyberVVizz> dwarfs exists either
<S7L> Like I said, this zt stuff is like sieving fog. She claims that the equations dont' work for moon, when anyone with rudimentary knowledge of physics may run them and see all things balance neatly. nancy claims this balance is not right but isn't able to back it up
<S7L> so, what gives?
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<BrianC> S7L what about the physics for the moon?  Did you check the math there?
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<S7L> I have read the ephemeris discussions and the only one whose views I can't understand turns out to be nancy
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<Aye> SZL: newtonion or?
<obany> anyway for those that don't know ther is also #troubled_times
<obany> wich is open daily
<S7L> who uses internally inconsistent terminology and isn't able to understand that both existing motion and gravity shape orbits. She always says it's either one or the other
<S7L> so she is the one who isn't able to put all to the same page
<CyberVVizz> the blue smurf exists either
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<S7L> together, they yield ellipses without contradictions. Alone, both results are nonsensical
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<S7L> Aye: newtonian.
<obany> see http://www.zetatalk.com/index/help.htm and http://www.zetatalk.com/thub10.htm
<S7L> Or something else. Depensd what you asked.
<S7L> BrianC: yes, I have done these computations back at school
<CyberVVizz> surface pressure = space equib.
<BrianC> Does science eplain why it stays in it's orbit?
<S7L> BrianC: yes. Balance of gravity attraction and the force required to maintain its current orbit.
<CyberVVizz> spirutality You miss the third force
<S7L> stays is a relative term.
<BrianC> So you don't find anything wrong in the math?  I didn't find anything wrong in Nancys math either though.
<CyberVVizz> there should be a pushing force either
<S7L> the scientific consensus is that solar system is not a stable system but a chaotic multibody problem that will diverge at some point in the future, and that there have been changes in the past.
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<S7L> bodies migrating from orbits to others, for instance.
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<Torbj> wrong in math....your math?
<Torbj> settledown your brain 7....
<S7L> Brianc: what "nancy's math"? She basically put together nonsensical figures because she doesn't understand the abstract concept of mass
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<Torbj> you are here to listnen to her....why?
<BrianC> Yes but a large part of what she says causes movement is particle flow, flow that we can't see.
<S7L> she only understands weight so she for instance attemtped to calculate "weight" of moon when it would be sitting on surface of Earth at some point
<S7L> these are nonsensical numbers.
<obany> for thsoe who just joined in, the session has ended about 22 minuts ago and started 92 minuts ago
<obany> well s7l wants to educate us, on how Nancy is wrong or so. right?
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<n>  The sun and all he planets  do they have the same polarisation ?
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<CyberVVizz> S7L, no even Einstein pointed to the idea, planets are like lead balls making pressure into a rubber plate
<BrianC> Hehe , the definition of mass is a weight on the surface, what is wrong with that?
<Torbj> your stomach is talking to you 7...and your brain wont listnen....and ther is a war going on therefofr
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<S7L> CyberVVizz: yes, I'm aware of this.
<S7L> brianc: it don't work on space.
<CyberVVizz> so this can be that space equi thinges
<S7L> the definition of mass is a force required to cause some acceleration
<deebo_> f=m*a
<n>  eart= +- sun=-+??
<S7L> this leads to definition of mass independent of surrounding gravity environment, and thus removes the need to have a concept of weight from the mass.
<CyberVVizz> i mean the rubber plate
<Torbj> x=weall...*loive
<n>  What is above and what define under ??
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<BrianC> I know that but there is an actuall piece of gold or something in some National Lab that is the definition of 1Kg or 1 Pound or whatever.
<n>  Moving air and we have thunder!!
<Torbj> your wibration n
<S7L> brianc: possibly, but that is no longer used for the purpose.
<BrianC> I see it in my physics text books, it has like three glass jars around it.
<S7L> mass is now defined in different terms.
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<BrianC> It is down here on the earths surface though,
<S7L> because measurements on some preserved lead/gold/whatever ball just aren't going to be very precise nor can you transport this thing easily to verify your, say, balance measures things accurately
<BrianC> Yes but you can't measure orbital mechanics very well on the earths surface with large bodies and planet size wave-lengths
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<S7L> you can't? Oh, but you can.
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<S7L> we know for instance the distance from Earth to Moon in accuracy that borders some centimeters I think
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<BrianC> I see what you're saying though, all I'm saying though is that  the only way for us to measure the moons weight is by our hypotheses alone
<S7L> that is, the distance between their mass center points.
<n>  Where does the name moon came from?
<jubjub963> it's funny, every week, articles in cnn say "astromers ... baffled ..."
<jubjub963> shouldnt' they have open minds about .. stuff
<deebo_> has the 12th been spotted by amateurs yet?
<Torbj> you can allso messur the "dim" created with your breath blowing to a mirror in front of you
<S7L> jubjub963: well, so what? I mean, you can be baffled. What's with that?
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<obany> it's not mid 2002 yet, almost ...
<Torbj> the distance from your mouth to th mirror
<Torbj> the strenght of yout lungs
<jubjub963> well, a lot of the time they're baffled that things don't behave billions a miles away, like they expected them to
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<jubjub963> there are many layers of accepted speculation, that is mainstream
<n>  from earth?? i don't know for sure it could be from the moon itself!!
<Torbj> the intence meaning of creating the dim on the mirror
<BrianC> The images are blurry, not very good yet
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<obany> nayway i will go now bye goonight take care sleep wel
<CyberVVizz> I wonder wath most of you will do if You are in the grey zone after dead :-)
<CyberVVizz> so much thinking
<BrianC> I go now too, good night everybody, bye S7L, Obany
<Torbj> this is only your brain wanting to be first in the chain of "wibes" beieng tranclated into "understandeble ones
<n>  "the grey's"
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<obany> see http://www.zetatalk.com/index/help.htm and http://www.zetatalk.com/thub10.htm
<obany> anyway for those that don't know ther is also #troubled_times
<S7L> cya ob.
<obany> the urls are for that other channel okay bye s7l ...
<obany> bye folks
<Zantrin> what was discussed earlier today???
<CyberVVizz> it's only the brain that is a tool for the Consciousness to gouvern the body and we see the brain of most people gouverns most conscousnesses on Earth
<S7L> jubjub963: the science still self-corrects, which means it will create a theory that fits the observations before long.
<S7L> this is unlike nancy's theories here which tend to disagree with observations right away...
<S7L> yet she has the gall to say that scientists wouldn't have an idea about anything! Granted, they don't have a complete picture to bang Nancy with but way more than Nancy lets others to understand
<Zantrin> what was discussed earlier today???
<obany> zantrin: the log will be online tommorow evening for what i know check  http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm
<jubjub963> true dat, yah i'm no believer either, just riding the fence a bi
<jubjub963> bit
<obany> there is a link there with the logs from the previous sessions an the log of today will also be put over ther
<S7L> and if nancy read the numerous replies her articles generate and have generated for past 6 years, you'd think she'd learn.
<jubjub963> but, there's this whole moon not rotating thing was a slap in the face that sorta woke me up
<S7L> </rant>
<Torbj> you are leasrning 7
<n>  Is there somebody online today who want to tell about his abduction ???
<S7L> jubjub963: it's not strictly speaking incorrect statement. It's only generally stupid statement because we seldom think Earth-centeredly
<Torbj> learning
<jubjub963> imaginary rope connecting the moon and earth proves it doesn't rotate , just revolves
<Torbj> from Nancy!
<Zantrin> since todays log aint there yet how bout a 2 line re-cap?
<Torbj> 6you are upset!
<CyberVVizz> if the moon was rotating the US flag was definitly destructed by the cold
<Torbj> good!
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<jubjub963> i would think NASA would think less Earth-centeredly
<jubjub963> with a greater perspective
<obany> about signs of the pole shift that can expected this year, a questions about the WTC .. and a questions on how Planet X can have a influence on earth from that distance
<jubjub963> on there .gov websites they describe how it down not rotate , with pictures, very close-minded perpsective
<obany> bye now
<CyberVVizz> bye
<jubjub963> down = does
<jubjub963> er i mean does, oh crap
<jubjub963> i can't type 2day
<S7L> the only point is where is your reference frame
<Torbj> TRUE 7!
<lizziej123> bye obany
<S7L> if you slid on Earth's surface constantly staring upwards and Moon was directly overhead, you'd conclude it wouldn't rotate, too
<jubjub963> the reference frame should be the moon itself
<S7L> instead, you'd conclude the whole universe rotates...
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<Torbj> YOU are....and act....and a watche r of your acts/movements
<S7L> jubjub963: then it definitely does not rotate, Universe around Moon does
<jubjub963> the reference frame should be consistan, and if consistant would choose the closest gravitation body (the earth)
<jubjub963> and , relative to the earth, no moon rotation on an axis,  just revolution
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<S7L> jubjub963: careful. I personally think the sensible reference frame is a non-rotating frame centered on Sun.
<jubjub963> but still unsure / leaning agains px,  oh well , we will see if no better proof in 6months
<CyberVVizz> yes, but if You put a flag on the moon, You can see on the flag if it is rotating
<S7L> at least respect to the star background the bigger universe seems to be msotly on stand-still
<Torbj> bere in mind....the sun itself is a rotating body
<S7L> which in turn relates this to our local galaxy
<Zantrin> speaking of signs....I have digital satelite tv an lately(last cople of months) there have been minor ineruptions of the bradcasts(digital noise at the end of a program soun going haywire for a while and test screens apearing on regular channels and one case of one channel"taking over" on a nithers spot after a certain hour several days in a row)
<S7L> Torbj: all the time. That is why I said 'non-rotating' and defined I want to look at the stars for guidance
<Torbj> and yo are always...in mind or in flech...a weiover
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<CyberVVizz> bye need to talk with Heavens
<CyberVVizz> bye
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<S7L> if one has a non-rotating reference frame centered at Sun, you obtain the results that both Moon and Earth rotate.
<S7L> this I find easiest to relate.
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<n>  S7L Do you watch by a telescoop?
<jubjub963> but one shouldn't get mixed up in reference frames, and think simply, if moon was just a hunk of rock, caught in revolutionary orbit, concievably, it does not rotate, it doesn't matter really
<jubjub963> i before e except after c , dang it
<S7L> n: no, I'm not an astronomer.
<n>  Well, oke
<n>  Who looks frequent to the moon ??
<S7L> jubjub963: but you CAN'T think "simply" without fixing a reference frame. You always have some frame. Intuitive or not. It's good idea to look in respect to what you define something as rotating and something else as non-rotating
<jubjub963> the sun is the earth's greatest gravitation influence,  the earth is the moons, in that reference frame, one could argue either way, currently-accepted synchronous revoulion/rotation, or no rotation, i'm leaning towards the latter, but either could be true i spose
<jubjub963> if the earth did not rotate, it would be daylight all the time
<jubjub963> on one side of the earth
<S7L> no, you're making a bunch of confusing statements.
<jubjub963> there would be no such thing as a 24 hr day
<Torbj> if you sar putting a "nonrotating" thing between your eyes and the sun....what would yoe see?
<S7L> if there would be a continuous day on Earth, the Earth would rotate one turn in 365 days
<S7L> to keep the same face towards the Sun all the time, more or elss
<jubjub963> if there would be a continuous day on Earth, the Earth would rotate one turn in    365 days
<S7L> you can't say Earth wouldn't rotate. It would. The question is how much and in what reference frame.
<jubjub963> " ",  using currently accepted views
<ultima> i think that pre polar shift would be worse then the shift for many
<Torbj> if its not rotating...it your refference...thats t4u
<jubjub963> it's all a matter of perspective, you could argue synchronous rotation/revolution, by looking at the pictures, and the fact that it is accepted now
<ultima> cause of the movement i.e. people wold b wondering what the F*** is going on
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<S7L> it's just typical to nancy to not think very deeply about her statements.
<ultima> let u guys think about it
<S7L> I assembled some of the more amusing claims here
<ultima> brb
<n>  Well, if the earth has no rotation would it be dark at one same side the whole year long ??
<S7L> http://www.saunalahti.fi/~s7l/bopp.html
<S7L> n: no, you have to determine 'no rotation' in respect to WHAT.
<Torbj> you dont have to think "deeply" about a statement thatrs getting a reaction 7
<S7L> in your one-very-long-day/night example you rotate once per every year
<jubjub963> the thing itself, if all alone in space, is it rotating on an axis?
<S7L> Torbj: but you do if you ever want to make a scientific case
<jubjub963> conceivably, the moon may not be
<S7L> jubjub963: this is an interesting question. We can measure if it is.
<Torbj> whats scientifiv case?
<S7L> Torbj: you _have_ to think deeply and make precise statements
<Torbj> your brains commfort?
<S7L> else you can't talk about scientific thigns!
<n>  the epilictical orbit maybe turn one side to the sun  when it get its path in the opposit direction????????
<S7L> n: I don't understand your question
<ultima> yes the correct sub devidance would alllow one to jump throught an elipse orbit
<n>  if you have a epiliptical orbit the the first half year the sun shine at one side
<S7L> Torbj: all I am saying is that nancy goes to sci.astro, makes very confusing claims, is repeatedly to found to be error in whatever she says, and typically never much actually THINKS what she writes
<n>  is it ??
<ultima> could be her decisions
<S7L> n: I don't see what an elliptical orbit has to do with this. More like how many times the body rotates during the one revolution in the orbit
<ultima> i think that their is a great chance that the polar elipse would happen
<S7L> a very highly elliptic orbit will have a partial night/day because of differing orbital speed compared to rotation speed
<n>  well it says about the magnetic influences, that maybe serious differ of  each planet!!!
<ultima> i channel zeta
* S7L don't see how magnetic influences crept into this now.
<Torbj> this is true...the confusion is in the corelated ATRACTED brain...it cant accept this text that is readed
<ultima> do u want a conference
<S7L> at any rate, I'm going to bed.
<ultima> im not AS GOOD as nancy
<ultima> but i can channel
<Torbj> i love you 7!
<S7L> really, torbj?
<Torbj> YES!!!
<ultima> in the answer to the correlating qustions
<n>  bye bye
<jubjub963> the posters conclude she is in error, this doesn't make it so,  i haven't combed through all of her posts, perhaps she did make errors s7l, there seems to be few riding the fence thinking about both sides in there, it's either for or against, people say always in there "you are wrong, wrong, wrong"
<ultima> one is able to part his judgement in views super emprisinng the level of conseousness
<S7L> jubjub963: the posters conclude she is in error because:
<ultima> if he is able to wake then one is able to be aware
<S7L> 1) her claims directly contradict observations;
<S7L> 2) her claims conflict with themselves
<jubjub963> i admit, in one year, she probably will be found to be in error
<ultima> yes maybye
<ultima> the polar shift is a level of desirment amounst the childs eye
<S7L> some go for 1), some go for 2), and some are so vague that you can't tell what they mean.
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<ultima> the childs eye is the earth
<ultima> and does not the earth need to be refreshed?
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<jubjub963> sarah mc and the people who make fun of her saying this is a cult really annoys me,  plus their vociferousness is baffiling, why would they waste their time for years arguing with her,  i'm riding the fence for a couple months and already almost sick of it hehe
<ultima> i.e. the refreshemnt is the desire
<jubjub963> baffling
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<ultima> ok well one will talk
<Torbj> the refrechent is now!
<Torbj> itīs you!!
<Torbj> what you see is the WORLD!
<n>  Well, Nancy can't predict a cropcircle location , so it will be difficult to film i think
<Torbj> is it impotant to you to be there to fim it+
<Torbj> ?
<n>  Good question in a certain way!!, maybe not
<n>  Well , it is fun , but also a bit scarry i think
<Torbj> if it is important to you...as it seems....you will soon be standing in the middle of a field with a camera filmimg an "fun event"of "wibratinal movement2
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<ultima> soon there will be zeta in the news
<ultima> and all around the wrold
<ultima> there craft will crash
<ultima> and they will be recored somewhere remote
<Torbj> in this highlt wibrational time....everuthing we look to0 is abou to happen in our lifes!!!!!
<Torbj> what ever you are focal on...it will be yours!!!!
<n>  It is already recorded once they say
<n>  But then it must be predictated , or not??
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<Torbj> your life is predicted by your own "glance in the mirror"
<Torbj> thatīsd you1
<Torbj> !
<Torbj> you are allways looking at yourself....noone else...
<n>  Explain some bit , if you like..
<ultima> does any one want to know anything else
<ultima> about
<ultima> channeling
<ultima> i can attain zeta inprintsa if needed
<n>  what is "inprintsa" mean?
<ultima> imprints
<ultima> brb
<ultima> i am the zeta web and the mind we are sort to teach others about the love of our doings, we in the past we ones of great warrior ship
<ultima> and others apply this to their doings, with a contribute factor we abolished our life on the serface
<ultima> and needed to generate the new
<ultima> back
<ultima> they drain allot of energy when i channel
<ultima> tell me something and i will answer
<n>  imprints, tell more about that if you want
<ultima> i am here to help in human aids
<ultima> imprins are bound to the serfce to the soul, they like us and you of all speicies of beings have this devince kind of print
<ultima> nancy uses the term call, we as the orano zeta use the call as the term "imprints"
<ultima> we leave our imprints as another set of calls in the crops
<Torbj> what are my imprimpts?
<Torbj> tell me!
<ultima> the imprints corrlate to the ammount of ones doings in the devine life times, one who is old in soul and is servide to other must calaculeate how many times one is to use service to ther or to their self
<ultima> thus one must assume if i am service to other then i am in great need of help, if service to self is applied "i am not in need for i have my self"
<Torbj> answer my cuestion...what are my imprints?
<ultima> the zetas you see in the zeta talk are the trianinas
<ultima> there are 5 main types of zeta know to us in the universe since we all left our wolrd at different times
<ultima> ok well, as i have stated dear freind, the imprints are a viable life force, they are your past present and future life times
<ultima> they all are ticked off and one is to learn from mistakes
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<ultima> till the final orientation of judgemtn isachived
<Jenkins3d> would they know what my name is?
<ultima> thus in the holy bible of earth, the term sheep and the lambs
<ultima> is applied
<Torbj> *smile*...atracted to your answer...
<ultima> thouse who are stary and thouse who are in gret need of love and care from others
<Torbj> Ultima....a q to ou
<ultima> yeah what is ones question
<ultima> ?
<ultima> i must slow to make more sence of answers
<ultima> i get allot of imput from zeta's
<ultima> and they are fast at fas=cts
<ultima> more draining then pledians example
<Torbj> i give you a hug...*hug*....whatīs your answer to that?`
<ultima> because humans have 12 thougths per sec, zeta have 1000's of thoughts per sec
<ultima> hugs they are a sing of love, we share love with many
<Jenkins3d> do the beings you claim you are in contact with know names of people?
<Torbj> i did accualy give you one....
<ultima> meaning, it is hard i wake
<Torbj> sory if yoiu didnt felt it
<ultima> i am weak when one wakes from sleep
<ultima> hes vocab is slureed
<ultima> when one has energy
<ultima> then hes yarn applies channels open to zeta and other entities
<Torbj> break the mirror my friend!
<Torbj> well....ijmbreaking for tonight.....love you!!!
<ultima> there are others wanting to speek
<ultima> others who wish to talk to people
<ultima> but not in ones house
<ultima> for i feel inscure
<n>  I quit this Irc session for now. Have a nice evening/morning . Bye bye
<ultima> love
<ultima> from all service to other
<ultima> s
<ultima> freind
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<ultima> i must leave
<ultima> if one is here again today
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<ultima> i will be on allot more then nancy, thought i am no way near as good as her
<ultima> she is experianced
<ultima> i am not experianced
<ultima> thus no one can trust me but question
<ultima> my outcomes
<Jenkins3d> yeah, do you know about the troubled_times channel?
<ultima> so i bid you farewell
<ultima> and deep loves are rooted in the minds soul
<ultima> cya
<Jenkins3d> cya later ultima
<ultima> one will be on later for channeling
<ultima> so see u all later
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<ultima> back
<ultima> so what do u want to know
<ultima> i know of the bad zeta
<ultima> there colour is brown gray
<morko> how can you learn to channel or is it something you can't learn with simple steps?
<ultima> hmmm
<ultima> channeling
<ultima> well i just started
<ultima> i think every human can do it
<ultima> just ask this "is any one there"?
<ultima> woth your mind
<ultima> if there is a reply say are you negative or positive
<ultima> if the reply is negative tell them to goto the light
<ultima> if the reply is positive
<ultima> tell them to goto the light and return after the light visit
<ultima> then ask for a name when they return
<ultima> got me?
<morko> well i guess.. yes.
<morko> this good/bad polarity is just something that keeps haunting me ;)
<ultima> ok
<ultima> sorry
<ultima> im a little stuck
<ultima> ask something else?
<morko> what about mayan prophecies, are there how much truth in all those? symbols etc.
<ultima> the mayan phrophersis
<ultima> ok brb
<ultima> concerning the main phrophers
<ultima> thats is to assume, they were given a map of reality
<ultima> and a future
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<ultima> thanks bob
<ultima> umm let me rest for a sec
<Bob> no problem
<ultima> one is to correlate the functions
<ultima> of the mayan calander
<ultima> to events
<ultima> it ends on 2015 thats a year where there is an assention
<ultima> i think that nancy was confused as to the races
<Bob> hmmm...I thought 2012
<Bob> races?
<ultima> she not only communicated with the good grey zeta, but she allso met up with the manevelent brown ones
<ultima> the brown ones want her to breed
<ultima> they will soon be abloished
<Bob> how do you know this about Nancy?
<ultima> the good grey zeta are trying to make us evolve
<ultima> i see it in info beeing sent
<ultima> have you seen the evil brown ones?
<ultima> i see them, so evil
<Bob> wow
<morko> disguise?
<ultima> but the grey zeta are in the light
<Bob> nope never seen anything like that
<ultima> yes the brown zeta are changers
<Bob> changers?
<morko> like in tzolkin symbology, death or purification or something like that?
<ultima> they like to discuise to hide themselfs
<ultima> GOD she ll soon smite the evil brown zeta
<Bob> are they 4th density?
<Bob> why do they hide...
<ultima> yes and no, the browns try to change the outcomes of time
<ultima> i think that allso the browns maybye trying to confuse us about the polarshift
<Bob> how so
<ultima> i think that the grey zeta are allowing this to test nancy
<ultima> i think soon she will see the error
<ultima> i think that the grey zeta, will soon be all she channels
<Bob> error as in no polar shift?
<ultima> 75% of the time she channels the grey zeta
<ultima> but other times she channeles evil servie to self entites
<Bob> scary
<ultima> yes i think that the polar shift may not occour
<ultima> but it could
<ultima> the brown zeta are fusins with the evil draco and origianl zeta
<Bob> do you think she is aware of who she is channeling with?
<ultima> she might be aware i am not sure
<ultima> the grey zeta are the ones who are evolving themselfs, they are learning the consepts of
<ultima> love and emotion
<Bob> If she is channeling good greys 75%, why would they not tell the truth about px?
<ultima> they keep out of others afairs the counsil of worlds
<ultima> they will reveal the truth if all of this passes
<ultima> but keep faith in nancy, she has much more to say, i am still in the learning after all
<Bob> You mean they will tell the truth in May 2003?
<ultima> they may, i see 1 of 3 out comes
<ultima> the polar shift will occour
<ultima> 2) the polar shifyt wont
<ultima> 3) the polar shift is about to occour but the good grey zeta stop it
<ultima> i sence otheres here know what i mean
<Bob> but if they don't interfere how could they stop it?
<ultima> so speek up
<ultima> they dont interfere with others thoughts
<ultima> but they have permission to stop it
<ultima> hard to tell you the outcome
<ultima> as with everthing there is an out come
<Bob> then why do they say they do not have permission to stop it...or is that browns?
<ultima> ok well im going back to channeling again
<ultima> the grey zeta stop 12th planet, but are not allowed to alter others thoughts
<ultima> ok ask questions now
<Bob> Do you channel greys?
<Bob> Do you have a choice?
<ultima> concerning what he said we are allowed not to say
<Jenkins3d> is may 2003 a close date to when this polar shift might happen?
<ultima> he is channeling us now
<ultima> the polar shift, well lets just say fate makes things happen
<Jenkins3d> will it happen?
<ultima> but in under standing the level of require ment need to be more service to self
<ultima> the polar shift could indeed happen if negativity is stronger then
<ultima> the positive
<ultima> i am weak i must break the channeling now
<Bob> When will a decision be made?
<Bob> Why are these answers so different from Nancy's...
<morko> who will make this decision, we?
<ultima> i can only talk on the norm now
<ultima> yes you can make the decision
<ultima> the more sevice to others the more one is
<ultima> able to change the outcome
<Bob> I am so confused now
<ultima> sorry
<ultima> i dient sleep much last night
<morko> but can't there be balance between other and self..?
<ultima> i need certing ammounts of energy
<ultima> i will charge
<ultima> brb
<Bob> no no, i just want to understand
<Bob> okay
<ultima> there is ablance but the balance is undecided
<Bob> Why does nancy not say this when she channels?
<Jenkins3d> ultima, is there some special gift or something that one needs to have to channel?
<ultima> if one is to use the level of achivement to assume his qualitties he needs an orientation
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<ultima> channeling, a gift? well we all have gifts and so thus we can all channel
<ultima> thus, we must choose now or never are we to the self, or are we to the other
<ultima> i am to the other
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<ultima> if in this life time
<Bob> I am curious to know why Nancy does not say the outcome is yet undecided if this is in fact true?
<ultima> we choose to the other then we are ready to evolve
<ultima> if we are undecied
<ultima> then we wait and go somewhere lese
<ultima> if we are self
<ultima> then we go somewhere else
<ultima> we can only predict outcome, and prediction can change
<morko> does this other mean intolerance towards self oriented?
<`josef> may i ask what the agenda for today's chat session was?
<ultima> no others try to change self to other see
<ultima> self is intolerate to others
<ultima> undecided is not sure
<ultima> sorry im a little sleepy
<ultima> so energy levels are low
<ultima> ummm
<ultima> ask away
<ultima> pleese
<Jenkins3d> how does one begin to channel?  
<morko> could this undecided be then like the golden middle way, harmony?
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<`josef> ultima are you a channel?
<Malakai_sleepmode> hello
<ultima> i can channel yes
<Bob> ultima - have you spoken with nancy before?
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<ultima> the harmony is when polarisation is complete
<ultima> and all entities are service to other
<Bob> ultima - have you spoken to nancy before?
<ultima> no never
<Bob> oops sorry
<ultima> thats ok
<ultima> i want to ask her somethings
<ultima> as well
<ultima> im not perfect
<Malakai> was anyone here for the zeta session
<ultima> nancy is not perfectr
<ultima> we all have falts
<ultima> and we can improve on falts
<ultima> :)
<Bob> To be sure!
<Malakai> was anyone here for the zeta session ?
<Jenkins3d> i was
<ultima> i as here for zeta session
<`josef> what was the agenda Jerkins3d?
<Bob> So why do you think there is such a discrepancy in your channeling and nancy's?
<ultima> different views of the channelers, and the channelings
<Malakai> ultima could u copy and paste the session to me in an pm ?
<ultima> sorry
<ultima> cant do it
<ultima> hoped out for a break erlier
<ultima> earlier
<Jenkins3d> i can paste most of it
<Malakai> i would appreciate it jenkins..was working all day and forgot to log in before i left
<morko> so is this service to other like unity of everything without judgement?
<Malakai> http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/item100/item184.html
<ultima> service to other is a unity to where ones extent to judge another is ruled out because all is equle and nothing is kept a secret for all are in harmony
<Jenkins3d> eh, nevermind, it wiped out alot of stuff
<Malakai> anyone read this book
<ultima> any questions involving death?
<Jenkins3d> when there is so much in a room it starts to get rid of the stuff at the top so i dont have the chat anymore
<Malakai> mine logs for hours and hours..depends on your settings
<Jenkins3d> ok, i'll check that
<Jenkins3d> why do some people say they expirence hell like stuff and other's peace when they have life after death expirences?
<`josef> does anyone have the logs for todays chat?
<Bob> I do not...I went to troubled_times and came back
<ultima> well conserining hell
<Bob> no such thing is there?
<ultima> one is to make himself suffer for the need of him knowning what he has done wrong
<ultima> when he thinks i have served all that i have done wrong in accordance he is allowed to leave
<Bob> except the hell one creates for oneself?
<Malakai> maybe certain souls come from one and some from the other
<ultima> but some entities like the place so much
<ultima> they begin to like the idea of staying their
<ultima> one reincarnates
<ultima> or has the choice
<ultima> when one dies he leaves his physcical body
<Malakai> many people are obsessed with drawing demons and such pertaining to worlds they visualize or have been to..what does this suggest ?
<ultima> and goes to the creator and they choose the outcome
<Bob> is "hell" a physical or spiritual place?
<ultima> well people obbsessed with hell are the ones who are tormanted by service to self
<ultima> and are abducting poor humans like that
<Malakai> i would suggest hell as a different dimension..it would be physical i guess to be there
<ultima> hell is a spiritual plane that is the oppersite to earth in density but is opersite to heaven
<ultima> in the spiritual
<Malakai> different frequency/ different density
<ultima> correct
<Malakai> different world
<Malakai> but not a nice place
<Bob> interesting!
<ultima> at the atomic level if one speeds up presto hes at a different density
<Bob> How many densities are there?
<ultima> when the shift in the consouness of humans occour, i see it to be like everthng around us speeds up
<Malakai> think of a radio..it can tune into many frequencies..one at a time..we are like a radio..tuned to one station..this reality
<ultima> and when this speeding stops were arein a higher density
<ultima> there are so far
<ultima> 12 densities
<Malakai> our bodies and our physical senses are tuned to one frequency
<ultima> one can acsess all of theese in his life time
<ultima> with and OBE
<Bob> how?
<Malakai> i would say there are infinite densities
<ultima> (out of body experiance)
<ultima> correct
<ultima> there are 12, but there are different lessons and avlaues that make one as hight or as low in that density
<Bob> why 12?
<ultima> apes are low -medium 3rd density, lions cat etc are low 3rd denity
<ultima> just are when the creator commands it
<Bob> What is 10th or 12th density like?
<ultima> then there is another dentisy
<ultima> i have in persoanllity never experainbced it
<ultima> but zeta might explain
<morko> what density is AHAU solar consciousness, any guess?
<ultima> we as the zeta are not allowed to tell you that, since it is to compermizing
<ultima> to earths mission
<Bob> Is there physical density beyond 4th?
<ultima> hey i might have a site where one can learn more
<morko> is there going to be antichrist? what is he going to be like?
<ultima> yes there is some i.e
<ultima> one at a time
<ultima> the anti christ, well think about it, why would we shift wit han anti christ
<ultima> i think that if a polarshift was to occour
<ultima> the densitis would switch so quickly all who died would return
<Jenkins3d> you can go to http://www.astraldynamics.com/guides/oobe/oobe_2.htm  robert bruce has been to abunch of these desities and has written about them there
<morko> thanks gotta check out, bruce has written lot good stuff.
<ultima> daniel the one who channles us, has never seen the astral before, he has had one obe but has never been able to go further
<ultima> for allot of you who may have doubts
<Jenkins3d> would you have aby idea what my name is?
<Malakai> "An ally is the Force - and a powerful ally it is.
<Malakai> Life creates it ... makes it grow. Its energy
<Malakai> surrounds us and binds us luminous beings, though,
<Malakai> not this crude matter. You must feel the Force
<Malakai> around you. Between you, me, the tree, the rock,
<Malakai> everywhere, yes, even between the land and the ship."
<Malakai> -Yoda, Jedi Master of Star Wars
<ultima> wheather you are service to other or to self think about it, if you wre to self you would not be here, you have an uncondtional love for others thus you are service to others
<Malakai> use the force luke
<ultima> the star wars campain, :(, it was used back then to destact civilians of the world, it was used to stop a war
<ultima> why else would he get the funding for someting bizzar as star wars back in the good old times
<ultima> ?
<ultima> the evolution of man is decided by his views
<Malakai> something bigger going on beneath what we see with our eyes.. an invisible war
<ultima> yeah thats correct
<ultima> times are changing
<ultima> i have no doubt that the polar shit may, or may not occour
<Malakai> polar what ?
<ultima> but the earth will need changes and the polarshift might be it
<Malakai> it will happen..when is the only question
<ultima> conserning nancy, she is a sweet hearted folk who wishes none other then to teach the poeople of the world about the polar shift
<ultima> daniel in all of his consern tries to warn people at his school, but they brush it off as a hoax
<Malakai> she insists may 2003 and what if this is incorrect
<Bob> if the shift does not happen like you say it might not...would we still see px pass ue?
<Malakai> what if its 2023
<ultima> she and the zetas are there to warn, not to judge or b acurate
<Malakai> why should we trust the zetas...a wolf can dress in sheeps clothing
<ultima> if she wanted your hard earned money, of anytihng else she would have posed money signs all over the web
<`josef> i cant wait for planetx to appear on the night sky
<Malakai> never met a zeta
<ultima> so i think that she is genuinly sevice to other
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<ultima> planet x is a good and a bad harbour bringer
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<ultima> good for the earth good for service to other, good for zeta, but bad for service to self
<`josef> when i confirm its existence for myself then that's the time that thigns will begin to change for me
<ultima> the evidence is in the exodis in the bible
<ultima> so if you have a bible turn to the old testiment and read
<Bob> Unfortunately I must go now...but ultima or malakai is there another time we can chat on tt?
<`josef> i need to see it for myself
<ultima> ok bob
<ultima> might see you tomorrow
<`josef> i know all abt the old testament ultima
<ultima> my name
<ultima> changes
<Malakai> the problem is some think that the govt will declare martial law and u won't be able to travel ..drive fly whatever
<ultima> so umm u might have to
<Malakai> once px is viewable
<ultima> exactly
<Malakai> i am here in the evenings bob
<ultima> your american government
<Malakai> or troubled times
<`josef> i dont have to worry bout my country's govt
<ultima> or anyother world governemnt
<`josef> hehehe
<`josef> its basically clueless
<Malakai> where ya live josef
<ultima> for that matter will not allow anything to go through
<`josef> in the fragile islands of the philippines Malakai
<Malakai> many areas are completely unsafe
<`josef> including mine!
<Malakai> yep
<ultima> yes many areas
<Bob> okay thanks all for the thought provoking info!! :-)
<Malakai> tidal waves
<`josef> earthquakes and volcanoes will plague my area
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<ultima> daniel will in cause depart from this world with many of you, nancys fate is undecied
<`josef> not to mention the rising waters
<Malakai> yup..lots of underwater quakes near u
<morko> i live in coastal area
<ultima> costal bad move away
<`josef> i live in a coastal area too
<ultima> goto the inland mountins
<ultima> on the last day
<`josef> maybe my family could move to austalia or mainland china
<ultima> do not fear do not worry
<Malakai> within 200  miles or less of any coast prolly not safe
<morko> yeah, when time is more ripe i will..
<ultima> australia, that is where daniel lives, he will share thew fate of human life loss as with the rest of you
<`josef> unfortunately the inland mountians in my area are all volcanoes LOL
<Malakai> we will all depart from the physical density sooner or later regardless
<ultima> i think in greeance to the zeta
<Malakai> who is daniel
<ultima> all ahould have a party
<ultima> daniel i am daniel, and i channel the zeta
<morko> yeah, no way to avoid physical death i guess, at least these days..
<ultima> we can all channel
<ultima> but it depends of faith
<ultima> everything depends on faith
<ultima> that includes servival
<morko> well i've got loose faith systems ;)
<`josef> i think we should do everything we can if there is still the change, not just party
<Malakai> pretty brave to let your self be possessed...no thanks
<`josef> chance i meant
<ultima> im not posessed its all telepathic channeling
<ultima> i can do it other ways, but telepathy
<ultima> is the best
<morko> i think i sort of did it yesterday..
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<butch> hello
<`josef> are u sure that's a zeta communicating with you?
<Malakai> hi butch
<ultima> if it were a spirit
<ultima> then guess what it would be telling me what to do
<ultima> i have faith in the good
<Malakai> opening your psyche to unknown spirits scares me a tad
<ultima> so thus no bd can do unto me what i do unto them, unless i do it to them 1st
<`josef> mischievous spirits used to plague me as a child
<morko> i have faith in not so good too i guess..
<ultima> if its bad i say no and i tell the evil to get lost
<ultima> i sence vibes if they are bad vibes i tell it to leavre if they are good vibes of ahve no vibes it telepathy
<Malakai> what about the wolf in sheeps clothing
<ultima> LOL well, i soon learn from, mistakes
<morko> or illusion of bad being just BAD.
<ultima> but as i said before we all make mistaskes :)
<Aureal_> if I wanted to channel, who would start doing it?
<ultima> i am under GODS eye just like all of you of who are good
<ultima> so they is no need to fear, fear attracts negatives
<ultima> love attracts the good
<Malakai> this is true
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<Malakai> nothing to fear but fear itself
<ultima> exactly
<ultima> nothing to far but fear its self
<ultima> if you live by that then there is nothing to fear expet what you do unto others that is bad
<ultima> zetas say they bring techno in
<morko> but i think there must be understanding for darker aspects too and not just ran away when you encounter something like that.
<ultima> and that soon after times of need techno will be good
<ultima> i dont know
<ultima> all i know is that the body is a beat
<ultima> and the body makes it's own music
<ultima> do you think that earth will be home to E.ts
<ultima> in the future?
<ultima> im not going to channel anymore
<Malakai> it already is imo
<ultima> i want to see your own outcomes
<morko> well if they like it here then why not.
<Malakai> et's don;t have to be seen to be present
<ultima> correct
<ultima> i see a futre where all time is wrapped into one, the zeta vision
<Malakai> if one can slow there vibrations then one is not of the frequency that can be seen with eyes or felt with senses
<ultima> where all is in one time
<Malakai> the invisible man
<ultima> correct
<Malakai> the invisible zeta
<Malakai> or the shapeshifter
<ultima> thus if one speeds up slitghly, which is possible(daniel has found) he cannot be seen and mobves arround on the physical plane
<ultima> its easy
<ultima> just rase energy levels in yourself
<morko> or understanding syncronisation and time perfectly, wouldn't that do the trick too?
<ultima> a scream or a shout should do it
<Malakai> explain how to do this
<ultima> just get all this energy around your body
<ultima> rptate it till your filled with it
<ultima> then just rase a pitch or to
<morko> chakra system filled with kundalini or something else?
<ultima> yes thats it you have it fill your charkes with allot of energy
<ultima> then raise the pitch in your body
<Jenkins3d> how do you raise the pitch
<ultima> force the vibrations up
<ultima> sort of hard to explain
<Malakai> i think i am too into the physical matrix..hard to concentrate and tap these energies with lifes distractions
<ultima> just tence your body
<ultima> and scream or yell
<ultima> and bang i think ur invisible to some people
<morko> or just imagine it well enough moving through you so you can feel it constantly pulsating in you
<ultima> and if you say i dont want to be sean most of the time you wont
<Malakai> i felt a strange vibration after taking quite a bit of codeine..thought i was gonna leave my body
<Jenkins3d> ahh..i understand
<Malakai> incredible rush of vibrations and the sound
<ultima> yeah, but ur still in your body and you can move arround
<ultima> its allmost like astral
<Malakai> hmm
<ultima> but its allite better
<Jenkins3d> can you move phyiscial objects?
<morko> you mean OBE?
<ultima> yeah still touch phycial object
<ultima> but if you shout at people they dont hear you
<Jenkins3d> ohh..darn
<morko> how about your clothes then?
<Malakai> u say this is "ez" to maser ? come on umtima
<Malakai> master
<ultima> still on, i think that so
<ultima> i have only done it once
<ultima> so i dont know all u know
<ultima> i just experiment with vibraions
<ultima> some vibrations make you move fast in the phycial
<morko> i think mayans have quite well explained all this energy/spiritual evolution too.
<ultima> yes
<ultima> it has to do with the light in your cells, light matrix
<ultima> brb
<ultima> hey i have another zeta site
<ultima> www.alloya.de
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<Malakai> is that u ?
<Malakai> in the picture
<morko> one star project or something like that by alloya ra har?
<morko> i readed it. was very intresting.
<ultima> alloya she ra
<ultima> its an interesting site
<Malakai> ultima are u the red haired lady
<ultima> i think that nancy and alloya ahould communicate
<ultima> no im a male man, im 15 years old
<ultima> im in australia
<ultima> its just a site i know of
<Jenkins3d> a mail man...
<ultima> i have to d/c
<ultima> brb
<Malakai> yes a mail man hehe
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<Malakai> similar to heman and the masters of the universe
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<ultima> back
<ultima> so where were we?
<morko> heh. nice to see alloya has some similar views :)
<ultima> :)
<ultima> see we are all connected, but unfotuantly i think she is unwatre of what might hapened i.e. polar shift
<ultima> zu the entity, the one
<ultima> who takes people from one area of the univerce to the other
<ultima> in reality i wish not to communicate with the zeta yet, but i am here to channel their works
<ultima> i remeber beeing a kid, i remeber seeing this
<morko> i think we all should communicate more.
<ultima> ufo in the sky
<ultima> and i thought i belong their
<ultima> still thats just what i saw
<ultima> i want to see if i can set up a fonference with pledians
<ultima> and zeta
<ultima> ?? any ideas?
<ultima> LOL
<Jenkins3d> what is the down side to being able to communicate with them?
<morko> well i saw also with my friend unexplainable red light moving over forest when i was young
<ultima> the down side you feel that you are boring, and swety
<ultima> and tired
<Jenkins3d> all the time?
<ultima> when i commnicate
<ultima> hey i remeber when i was young, similar to nancy, going down to the creek where i used to live
<ultima> and i think i saw them, i wasnt allarmed
<`josef> are you channeling right now?
<ultima> same sort of things happened allthought never went down to the creek again
<ultima> yes and no
<ultima> im resting
<ultima> http://www.alloya.de/like_attracts_like.htm
<ultima> so any of you here ever attemepted alien encounters
<Jenkins3d> umm..kinda, it was late and i wanted them to help me with my science project
<ultima> LOL and what happened?
<Jenkins3d> as far as i know, nothing
<ultima> zetas not the way to go, i dont think i think we will remin human just evolve thats all
<ultima> i dont know at this time this is something i have to question over
<ultima> do any of you here watch the x files?
<morko> i think ill try to have encounter tomorrow, if weather is fine ill meditate in forest alone. yeah i have watched old episodes of x-file
<Jenkins3d> used to and planing to watch the last few episodes
<morko> used to watch it when i was younger when it was still something new.
<ultima> well, basically they are trying to promote the awakerning not only with it, but when you watch it they imbue uncounteounness visions
<ultima> i.e in the 1980as they showed pictures of apples
<ultima> and lemmons
<`josef> x-files in the 1980s?
<ultima> where as this was to make you get up and go and  get french fries and pop corn
<morko> have you seen Tool - Parabola video?
<ultima> from the candy bar
<ultima> sorry no i havent seen that video why?
<morko> ends up in really epic way.
<morko> transparent human figure opens his chakras and becomes pure energy and part of something bigger.
<morko> really nice cgi.
<ultima> cool, i am going to have to leave soon
<ultima> brb
<morko> alex grey was also part in making it, he has nice page www.sacredmirrors.org
<ultima> im a little refreshed now
<ultima> but i'll wait alittle more
<ultima> then i'll channel again
<ultima> one thing they tell me, that the zeta, for fun use games like a slpining vortex
<ultima> i mean, they use some kind of feris weel
<ultima> LOL
<ultima> so why does nancy come on every sat
<ultima> ?
<Jenkins3d> it's a weekly chat...just like anyother weekly thing
<morko> become routine, something to comfort her? or just wanting to share info..
<ultima> why do u test me on such things, they would not give an answer to such a stupid question
<ultima> they only give out intentions that are important
<morko> umm. what question was stupid?
<ultima> josef asked a question
<ultima> a stupid one
<`josef> a simple testing question
<ultima> and i nor the zetas replied to it
<ultima> well test us on someting else
<ultima> but pleese cant you just belive on evedence
<Jenkins3d> do you know what my name is?
<ultima> the reason why the middle east is so up and about is becasue they now sometihng bad is going to happen
<morko> zetas got any good tips for having OBE or Lucid dreams more? stupid question but if it can be answered it would help me a lot ;)
<ultima> alternitivly we could cause a polar shift with nukes
<ultima> ok, we are the zeta and we can teach, simply clear ones mind, and assume that you are nothing, then say i am someting somewhere else
<ultima> i.e. i am nothing on earth but i am something on the astral
<ultima> then just focus on noth8ing else exept leaving
<ultima> ones body
<ultima> one thing that the zeta do not like to do is to tell ones name, why would we want to do that?? we have more important tasks at hand
<ultima> and unto u teaching is one
<morko> ok. thanks. i thought also there wasn't any fancy ritual for it. just simple matter of will and faith...
<ultima> will and faith make one do amazing things, just try and you will recive for your effort
<Jenkins3d> can i change my eye color with by will?
<ultima> one thing you will start feeling ligh, like you are rizing, just relax
<ultima> LOL on the phycial plane there are barriers which stop people from doing certin things, with magic, or medicine one can do it just wait untill the 6 desnsity then all is possible
<Jenkins3d> i tried magic and i didnt get results
<ultima> again faith and belief
<ultima> i am going to ask the zeta now about why magic effects them
<morko> how to be less egocentric? i think i have to work on that a little more.
<Jenkins3d> ok :)
<ultima> magic,why does it effect us, it does the same to you, if you hurt then you get hurt back dont you see
<ultima> remeber beileif, faith, patiance, and if you fail try again soon one will achive results
<ultima> its just the creator testing how much you have inside of you
<ultima> ;)
<morko> how to become healer and see auras?
<ultima> practise makes perfect
<ultima> to see them
<ultima> well to see araus just stare at something
<ultima> and you will start to see a colour comming off it
<ultima> to become a healer clear your mind, think happy thoughts, think love and bliss fullness
<ultima> and wave your hand over someone who is ill or sick
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<ultima> you all got me?
<morko> yeah. nice basic thoughts. seems right.
<ultima> oh yeah one more thing, with channeling you need to have more salt, it's liike you hunger allot more salt
<ultima> seams strange but it happenes
<morko> :)
<ultima> hey tell me besides the saturday, when do most other people log on?
<ultima> to zeta talk?
<morko> i don't know, this is my second time here.
<ultima> cool
<Jenkins3d> usually there are not many people here
<ultima> umm why isnt any one else talking>
<ultima> ?
<morko> couple times have been just looking and there has been noone, only saturdays so far people chatting +zetatalk
<ultima> cool
<Jenkins3d> most people are on #troubled_times
<ultima> i might try to get alloya and nancy to meet, hey zetas jumping up at donwn at that
<ultima> they like the idea
<ultima> actually
<ultima> i just went to the troubled_times
<ultima> only 3 main people there
<Jenkins3d> but that is still pretty empty, when i have been on, some people are there 12 or 1 GMT
<Jenkins3d> thats when i have seen the most
<ultima> yeah
<ultima> cool
<ultima> so what do u want to ask now?
<ultima> i feel refereshed
<ultima> i mean im ready
<Jenkins3d> where did the satan idea come from?
<ultima> the satan idea was derivied from a service to self entity that came to earht around 1000 years to 1500 years ago
<ultima> he was from a hot planet
<ultima> that was why he seamed evil, he allso roared at things, churches at the time
<ultima> wrote it all down as stan was on earth LOL
<Jenkins3d> wow, exactly what zetatalk said
<ultima> but not pasted
<Jenkins3d> i know, the same thing, diffrent way of saying it
<morko> if you see zetas in your dream, might it be real encounter?
<ultima> he is still live today, but his planet was blown up only a few of them survive today allso he was thrown down from mars
<ultima> thus the bible says he was thrown down from heaven
<ultima> zetas uin dream mean a chance of real encounters
<ultima> just look at ones body and try to find unusual marking that gives a clue to realness
<morko> like testing ground that how you would react?
<ultima> yeah
<ultima> allso try to put things on your body at night
<ultima> if they are moved not to the exact then ur a contactee
<ultima> most oftern then not aliens visit at least 1/2 th pop at least once
<ultima> 1/50 of that are contactees that are contacted more then 2
<ultima> 1/100 are more then 3 times
<morko> things like what? book on my chest?
<ultima> no umm, try something like a pin in your clothing, or a lock of hair a certin way
<ultima> do any of you here take vitumins?
<ultima> *vitamins?
<morko> i take b-vitamins for dream recall
<ultima> any others?
<ultima> i mean
<morko> rarely i take multivitamin
<ultima> what do u hunger allot of at certin times?
<morko> vegetables, sweets like chocolate, basic food when hungry why?
<ultima> i admit i am more a vegiterian, i dont mind somethngs but dont like meat
<ultima> just wondering
<ultima> how old r u?
<morko> i've got something against meat too, but i still eat it.
<morko> 19
<ultima> sex?? male or female?
<morko> male
<ultima> how old do you reackon i am?
<morko> well does it matter?
<ultima> just have a guess?
<ultima> it doenst matter just want u to have a guess
<morko> you already said you are 15, but i guess you could be lot older too. :)
<ultima> well i am 15 no older :) thats GODS honest truth(be 15 actually in 19 days)
<Malakai> ask the zetas if building a new home with steel studs instead of wood is ok
<ultima> the weather changes that may prehempt a polar shift could be in october, but i am not certin nor are the zetas
<ultima> steal melts wood burns, wood floats steal sinks, wood busts, metal corrodes
<ultima> so you have your answer
<morko> 6:32am maybe i should go to sleep.
<ultima> up to u
<ultima> u a student/
<ultima> ?
<morko> yeah.
<Malakai> no negative effects on our biorhythyms using steel ?
<ultima> cool
<ultima> well good morning to you
<ultima> and sleep well
<ultima> i have to go soon as well
<ultima> any more questions?
<Jenkins3d> will there be a economic collaps in the near future?
<Malakai> yes
<Malakai> it has already begub jenkins
<ultima> ok i am going to use poetry now it uses less poetry and the zetas can get a better meaning that way
<Malakai> this is planned by the sts people controling the world
<ultima> money is funny, its used in brands american is poor and old, and english grows young again look for the jews and see their pockets
<ultima> for they are now holding dockets
<ultima> yes money looses it s value
<Malakai> this is why gold is on the rise
<Malakai> paper money is losing its value
<ultima> yep
<ultima> brb
<Malakai> greed is rampant in the world
<Jenkins3d> yes...but i wish the stock market was a bit more volitial
<Malakai> most of the money is held by the few...more so than any other time in history..this signals economic collapse similar to fall of rome..babylon etc
<ultima> it will and it is allso stated in the reverlation(the bible)
<morko> see ya all later.
<Malakai> the signs have been showing more and more in western world since early 1900's ..industrial revolution started it
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<ultima> yeah i know, 1990s was the begining of the no going back
<ultima> and for sure thats it i think that something drastic will happen soon
<Malakai> do u believe px 2003 ultima ?
<ultima> hard to say
<ultima> i mentioned things ealier i think their could b a grear possibility
<ultima> so umm
<ultima> its hard to say
<Malakai> what do your channeled zetas have to say
<Malakai> ultima
<ultima> zeta dont reply on that to me sorry :(
<Malakai> are they a different zeta clan then nancies
<Jenkins3d> could you tell the zetas to help me contact them like you do?
<ultima> yes they are
<ultima> brb
<Malakai> do they look like reptiles ? have ya seen them or just chit chat with them
<ultima> well i know what are the negatives
<ultima> they are the brown zeta
<ultima> but i know what are good as well
<Malakai> i heard that zeta's are really reptiles with space suits of some sort and that they wear black goggles..they are supposedly just servants of the larger evil reptilians
<ultima> no i have not in the consouness chit chatted
<ultima> any way some other time
<Malakai> ahh..so just telepathic ..no visuals
<ultima> bye
<Jenkins3d> cya ultima
<ultima> yes telepathy
<ultima> will u all b on later?
<Malakai> sure..see ya ultima
<ultima> bye all
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<Jenkins3d> well, this guy has kept me up long enought...im gonan go too
<Jenkins3d> cya all later
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<willshell>  anyone feel like mentioning what was covered today by zt?
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<Cruithne> anything new  from nancy sat
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<Lovestarr> hi.. anyone here still...??
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