Session Start: Sat May 25 12:34:37 2002
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<obany> hi
<Jenkins3d> so, has anyone found the thing where Nancy sais the Zetas said that chandra levy was in mexico?
<obany> yes i found it ... but who can say she wan't uuh??
<Lovestarr> zetas rights again??
<Jenkins3d> lol, i dont know
<Lovestarr> doesn't look like it...
<obany> it was written like some 6 months ago ... so does who say it's wrong etc... can't say that in fact ...
<Lovestarr> she has been dead for a year
<Jenkins3d> well i guess nancy can make some mistakes...i mean other people who channel admit that they have problems understanding stuff
<obany> Jenkins: Nancy doesn't channel ... it's telepathic information ...
<Jenkins3d> same diffrence
<Jenkins3d> I assume the way information is received is the same anyway
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<agentY> penis-bob around?
<Lovestarr> agent man??
* agentY climbs into a tree and masturbates
<agentY> just like a kennedy
<obany> channeling is like a temporaly take over ... like a mediumship telepathy works in a different manner
<Lovestarr> well, if zetas said levy was in mexico they were wrong
<agentY> hehehe
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<obany> lovestarr: they said that last year ..
<Lovestarr> she has been dead for a year
<agentY> homosexual love
<Lovestarr> obany... going to be quick to boot disorder??
<Jenkins3d> get a girlfrined or something agentY
<agentY> chandra levy is one ugly dog
<Ogmios> dont know anything about it
<agentY> thought i saw a large chupacabra the other day.
<obany> well today i will be well will ban sooner ... just no disruption during the session ..
<agentY> turned out it was robbin williams.
<agentY> stargate almost up again.......2 weeks?
<agentY> hehehe
<sirgrim> wagd.com plays a cool mp3 ;D
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<Jenkins3d> Hi everybody
<agentY> i will goto mc d's soon i think
<Jenkins3d> ewwww
<agentY> or taco express
<Jenkins3d> http://www.geocities.com/jenkins3d4/hey.html
<agentY> ha,   976-evil II, the astral factor  on scifi channel
<Jenkins3d> when dose sci-fi show the twilight zone??
<agentY> dunno
<agentY> around dusk?
<agentY> hehe
<agentY> .().()>
<agentY> ------------->
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<agentY> |<--------- 3 inches ---------->|
<agentY> hehehe
<Jenkins3d> I feal emotionaly unfulfilled without that show
<Jenkins3d> 3 inches??
<agentY> u think nancy uses a dildo?
<agentY> i bet she does
<agentY> prolly a black one i bet
<Jenkins3d> why dont you go to #zetaporn or somethin and talk about it
<agentY> there is no such channel
<Zetapal> what difference would that make?
<agentY> black ones r usually bigger sized
<agentY> hehehe
<Zetapal> so...?
<agentY> this jew at mcdonalds wanted to order his fries: supersized,  but he said 'circumsized'
<agentY> hehehe
<Zetapal> your full of what?
<sirgrim> guy on the radio sounds like he's about to pass out reading a list of states in severe drought
<agentY> this jew run mcd's nearby,  they take all the fries and cut off the tips.
<agentY> hehehe
<sirgrim> got some good snow here yesterday
<agentY> where?
<agentY> siberia
<sirgrim> colorado
<agentY> oh
<agentY> mountains?
<sirgrim> nope
<agentY> oh
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<agentY> did u frolic in snow?
<sirgrim> naw
<agentY> masturbate, urinate, deficate in snow?
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<sirgrim> wrote my name in pee
<agentY> oh
<n>  hello
<agentY> your own pee?
<agentY> or someone elses?
<agentY> did u hold someone else's weiner?
<agentY> hi n
<n>  hello
<agentY> n: did u just get done masturbating in a tree??  acting like a kennedy?
<sirgrim> k i see agenty won't have anything useful to say today like usual, i'll just ignore it now
<agentY> i've never talked to u b4 sigrim
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<agentY> ._./
<agentY> \._./
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<sirgrim> Strongly advising Mr Bush to scrap a military confrontation with Saddam Hussein altogether or at least put off any action until next year, the six Joint Chiefs of Staff expressed fears that a cornered Iraqi leader would not hesitate to use biological or chemical weapons.
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<obany> okay folks for during the session ... DON'T DISRUPT
<Zetapal> sounds fair
<n>  PING?
<n>  PONG!
<n>  LOL
<Spanky> session is in 1hr 15 minutes?
<n>  OOPS
<obany> spank yes
<obany> well with disruption i mean, using this channel for demanding things ...
<obany> when Nancy/Zetas are answering the questions
<obany> or chatter during the answer or asking questions during the answer
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<n>  channel #chataway is also open
<Spanky> not many people here this week
<obany> spanky: i am sure that more will join in .. as long as they won't disrupt
<obany> as there might be folks who then don't join anymore ...
<Spanky> as long as Le_Retard stays away
<n>  no reply
<n>  lol
<obany> well if he joins in .. he will get a ban for a hour .. the same as with that ultima and that other person
<obany> fear my legs :PP
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<Torbj> Godevening big soul´s!
<n>  hello
<Torbj> where are you from n?
<n>  holland
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<Torbj> Ohh...ivé been to Amsterdam !...nice city!!
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<Torbj> and Rotterdam allso
<Torbj> not as nice as Amsterdam though
<n>  Well , it will do not good Nancy says in ST
<n>  a new one ST=Shift Time
<Torbj> dont understand you..
<Torbj> poleshift ,you mean?
<n>  I think holland isn't the savest location .
<n>  if it happens!
<Torbj> ohhh...as many places around the world...but if ypu take it serioussly and fell its about to happen, you hav time to move from holland!
<n>  yep
<Torbj> where will you go?
<Torbj> qurious...
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<n>  Maybe i will move to onother place.
<liquid_jelly> another planet perhaps?
<n>  not certain
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<n>  well if they beam me up
<n>  i maybe reincarnate as a Zeta
<liquid_jelly> reincarnate as zeta, thats a step backwards isnt it/?
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<Torbj> you have incarnated here ,in this time, on this planet....do´nt wish to be on another planet....this will be something to "remember"
<n>  step backward, it can , i don't know
<NoN> It just occurred to me as I was reading a newspaper article about the fact that 26,000+ people each year are maimed or killed by landmines... One of the few benefits of a richter 15 earthquake will be that post pole-shift, no more unexploded landmines.
<Zetapal> he didn't wish to be somewhere else only stated a future incarnation
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<liquid_jelly> i had a dream last nite
<liquid_jelly> about data concerning the incoming planet
<liquid_jelly> any1 here have those dreams?
<Torbj> to be able to...have the benefit of...to be incarnated in the same body from one "wibration" to the next...is really something.....exciting
<Zetapal> a dream of data, how wonderful...
<liquid_jelly> but thing is i cant remember it now, it was fairly scientific
<liquid_jelly> but the thing is your always fooled as how things really are in a dream
<Zetapal> I am?
<liquid_jelly> there was a bit of biblical hoopla as well
<mmt> Was it a lucid deam?
<liquid_jelly> sort of i guess
<NoN> LJ, *IF* you could remember the dream verbatim, are you in a position where you could use it?  That is, do you have the impression that the data was meaningful and useful to you?
<Deja> Is Nancy supposed to be coming on now?
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<liquid_jelly> its just that things come to the point that certain events are now almost irrefutable, ud be a fool to dismiss it
<NoN> Deja - I more hour
<Deja> Thanks
<redeye> hiya
<liquid_jelly> i think the main point which stuck out during the dream was water water water
<n>  hello
<Zetapal> crossreferencing thoughts from the day with current database of experience during sleep
<liquid_jelly> like within the last few months thered be 5 times the average rain fall
<obany> folks for during the session when the Zetas/ Nancy are answer questions .. don't disrupt or demand for things ... or ask questions during the answer ...
<liquid_jelly> but then again that could be something i read from nancys book
<NoN> Not in the western US.  Much of the food-growing country is experiencing the worst drought in decades.
<mmt> liquid, I saw a cloud threefolding in volume
<liquid_jelly> im in uas
<mmt> Not in my dream, but in reality
<liquid_jelly> aus
<liquid_jelly> whats a 3folding cloud?
<redeye> any of of yous from u.k ?
<n>  is there a real zeta picture on earth?
<mmt> a clout increasing in volume more than 3 times
<liquid_jelly> n, at the zetatalkindex page?
<n>  that not a real one, isn't?
<mmt> Aft
<liquid_jelly> so any1 here tell there family about the possible inbound planet?
<redeye> my bro & friends is all
<liquid_jelly> how they take it?
<mmt> don't know how to deal with it
<redeye> my bro is double with the program, like he was kinda expecting it
<liquid_jelly> i told my family months ago
<liquid_jelly> but theyve forgoton all about it now
<liquid_jelly> still making long term plans, like renovating the house
<redeye> he went to see a clairvoyent and she said she could see us going from one part of the world to this part and on etc
<liquid_jelly> like whay build a sand castle when the tide is just about to come in
<redeye> she said it was uncanny
<NoN> LJ, when I brought it up for the fist time w/ my sister, she told me that she's feels that she's been preparing for it all of her life (38 years).
<obany> mmmm
<Spanky> when do the pictures of the 12th come in from mid 2002?
<redeye> yeah i know what u mean
<obany> around the summer time i think spanky ... for what i read ...
<redeye> the psychic also saw lots of water.....
<Zetapal> there might be a slight problem with mid 2002 photos in mid-summer...
<Spanky> yeah orion goes below the horizon in north america
<redeye> am going to see her in a few weeks
<NoN> My sister actually said that she's had dreams about "stars falling from the sky" since she was a child.
<Spanky> not to mention how cloudy things are gettng because of the PS
<liquid_jelly> come nxt year, i get the feeling im gonna be real hungry, that is if i survive to that end
<Zetapal> its my understanding that right now Orion is on the other side of the sun right now and won't "rise" for us until November...
<n>  the ra things , difficult!!
<NoN> LJ - do you think the dream about water was a warning to move inland?  Are you in western Aus?  Better build an arc.
<n>  diffi-cult??
<liquid_jelly> i remember a dream where my whole suburb was flooded, and the earth feel away
<liquid_jelly> in sydney, east aus
<redeye> liquid : am tucking into a king prawn madras at mo, hard to find one ain aftertime methinks
<liquid_jelly> yeh i remember the dream last nite, most of aus went under water
<redeye> how long till session starts ?
<liquid_jelly> but then again that could be an excerpt from the zeta material
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<Boris> Hi!
<n>  hello
<NoN> LJ - yeah, tough to say whether this is your subconscious nervously replaying what you already know, or a message to  you.
<redeye> bonjour
<liquid_jelly> exactly non
<n>  bonjour
<Zetapal> hey yall check out this "Zorb" thing at zorb.com , for riding out the shift...lol...tell me what you think...funny but might work...
<Boris> n: bonsoir :-)
<Zetapal> :)-
<redeye> ?
<n>   ah oui ce
<NoN> Zetapal - the zorb orb looks like a good way to cook yourself like a dumpling if you get caught at sea in one of those.
<obany> zetapal: i think i saw it some time ago .. it's some kind of a big ball or so ... to be in ... stay in
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<Spanky> nah the best way to maintain a fire is the way the bums do, use a metal garbage can
<n>  redeye about 30 minutes
<redeye> cheers m8
<liquid_jelly> http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc
<liquid_jelly> thats the clock
<liquid_jelly> the zeta site, is poor in refering u to the correct place
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<liquid_jelly> it took me ages to find an adequate site for the time
<obany> on the zetatalk irc session page are 3 pointers ...
<n>  the time thing is difficult , i think thats true
<n>  probally more lookink for europe 24:00 at sat
<n>  i am not  so familiar with GMT and so on
<Boris> n: it will be 24H00 in Europe
<liquid_jelly> like i dont want a site where u gotta convert from one time zone from another, just the damn universal or gmt time
<Boris> it's too late
<n>  so is the IRC  to found out how it works
<redeye> man, i ate too much...
<n>  but i succeed
<n>  no really complaining
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<Zetapal> yeah www.zorb.com
<Zetapal> time to break-out the dank
<Spanky> I have been working on an aftertime power source that uses high-strength neodynium magnets (can be salvaged from hard drives, never demagnetize) to spin a motor.
<Spanky> I got the idea from the "reactor" on Hoth.
<redeye> lol
<Zetapal> ;)
<Spanky> I have even found a way to easily construct it with common materials
<Zetapal> get a good buzz goin for zetatalk...
<Spanky> http://www.wondermagnet.com/dev/150demo.html
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<redeye> my first time on, have read all previous irc's and nearly whole website
<DuncanC> 'hllo all
<Zetapal> hey Torbj, hows your stomach? ...you should hit this...
<DuncanC> has anyone read Mack's Passport to the Cosmos?
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<Zetapal> no...is it good?
<obany> i have ...
<obany> i have read that book ... interresting ..
<n>  Is that Mack from England?
<obany> no, N John E. Mack is from the USA ...
<n>  oh,oke thanks
<DuncanC> my question is why haven't more contactees been given the 2003 date
<DuncanC> this is 1 of my biggest points of contention with Nancy & Zetatalk
<obany> well i think that some feel it and sense it
<redeye> must depend on their mission in this life
<DuncanC> b/c Nancy is, afaik, the only contactee to be given a specific date; I just don't know why they wouldn't bother to tell more abductees
<Boris> DuncanC: a small number of contactees remember their contact
<Zetapal> anyone excited about the flunkie vs. the junkie in the Brawl at the TajMahol ?
<DuncanC> Boris: sure, but those that do...
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<Boris> DuncanC: I don't know...
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<obany> anyway from Whitlyey Strieber's journal: "If the visitors should make their presence here undeniable, and there is a possibility of this happening in 2003, as there was in 1989 and in 1952, then, for the first time, we will be able to address them in a meaningful way.
<obany> "
<DuncanC> Boris:  Yes contactees are shown apocalyptic imagery, and some claim they are told they have a role to play, but none are given the detail Nancy has.  Even if 1 contactee were to collaborate, it would bolster the story... I suppose in 2003 we'll know for sure, I just don't like the waiting =)
<obany> http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=94
<DuncanC> has anyone read the Disclosure Project material?
<Zetapal> let me tell you a story about waiting...
<Zetapal> true story...
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<DuncanC> Greer claims that gov't in fact has unlimited energy source but is witholding, etc
<Zetapal> happened to me...
<DuncanC> www.disclosureproject.com
<Wage> seems her economic forcasts are lining up, sadly...
<Zetapal> I was 23,she was 17...
<DuncanC> wage: this is true, albiet predictable...
<redeye> duncan c : really ?
<obany> http://www.unknowncountry.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?lm=1022052216&file=/913/4360.html some discussion what's up with 2003  
<DuncanC> zeta: lol
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<mmt> Crop shortages in Europe made food more expensive
<Torbj> contactee or wanderer....you are not "awaked" at the same time...as in "normal"life...no one is "grown up2 at the same "movement" as the neighbur...
<DuncanC> redeye: yeah go check it out, he has like hundreds of witnesses
<Okidok> the problems with channelings or telepaty is that errors maybe occurs when downloading the message
<Wage> duncanc supposedly steven greer is CIA disinfo agent (disclosure project)
<Zetapal> we met, did it, and she said it was mine...
<DraganR> hi all
<DuncanC> wage:  Possible
<Zetapal> but I thought she might be lying...
<DuncanC> okidok: Nancy claims no
<DuncanC> okidok: or in her case it's not channeling per se
<Zetapal> but didn" know for sure...
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<redeye> duncan c : good question 4 zetas
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<Boris> DraganR: Zdravo ;-)
<Torbj> you are here for your own growhth and others
<Wage> hey nancy
<NancyL> Hello folks!
<n>  Well , maybe they don't know not fore sure also ........
<DuncanC> yo Nancy
<Okidok> hi Zetapal Nancy is no exeption
<sirgrim> g'day nancy
<n>  about many topics
<NancyL> Gerard and I are announcing new rules, re booting disruptive people, tonight.
<sirgrim> and zetas
<DraganR> Hi Nancy
<mmt> Hi Nancy
<Zetapal> we had to wait till 4 mos after baby was born to determine paternity by DNA test...
<Boris> hi
<redeye> hi
<n>  Hi Nancy
<DuncanC> Wage:  I find it quite implausible that Greer is wittingly a disinfo agent
<Zetapal> longest wait of my life...
<NancyL> I put these as a link from the IRC page, the Setting portion, but will repeat these new rules in brief now.
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<DuncanC> Zetapal: damn
<Zetapal> I had to prepare for two possible outcomes without knowing which was true...
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<DuncanC> zetapal: i hear that
<Torbj> Hejsan Nancy!
<NancyL> by beating the big bad Zetas with adolescent challenges. Examples below:”
<Zetapal> turned out my hunch was right, the baby wasn't mine, it was a setup of sorts ...
<NancyL> Example of 1. is “(LeRenard) You people, can't you see this poor lady needs professional assistance?           This is a CULT. She cannot prove any of her statements. Why do you blindly believe her?” So if he thinks ZetaTalk is crazy, why is he here?  Not to have a dialog, but to convince others NOT to attend.
<NancyL> Example of 2. is “(Andeomon) Give me some more useless information so I think its useful and forget           about reality :)” So if he thinks ZetaTalk is useless, why is he here?  Not to have a dialog, but to convince others NOT to attend.
<NancyL> Example of 3. is “(Ultima) How are the zetan bugs. (Ultima) Are they tricking u again. (Ultima) Death to zeta. (Ultima) Lord Ashtar can explain.” So if he thinks Zetas are tricksters, why is he here?  To have a dialog with tricksters?  Not to have a dialog, but to win converts to the Ashtar Command.
<NancyL> Example of 4. is “(PottM) Speaking of evolution it is getting to the point where man will be able to mould himself in his own image of greatness why the need to be assimilated? (PottM) NancyL: You seem to think humans are quite useless and not capable of ..” So if he thinks mankind should be left in charge of the Earth and all aliens should leave it alone, then why is he here?  Not to have a dialog, but to argue that ZetaTalk should not exist.
<redeye> crazy bastards...
<NancyL> Any questions about the new rules?
<liquid_jelly> i dont mind if this thing is a cult :)
<NancyL> In other words, there will be NO private chatting with the cops and getting back in with false promises.
<NancyL> There will be NO warnings, repeatedly, to remember this or that, before being booted.
<Spanky> come during the week and Le_Retard and PottHead are usually the only ones here
<NancyL> We are not denying anyone the right to hear what goes on in the chat, as they can read the log.
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<redeye> sounds spot on to me
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<DuncanC> turn on moderated, and give +v with descretion
<DraganR> agried
<NancyL> If they are in the chat to do nothing but insult and convince others NOT to be there or try to get on stage because no one ever pays attention to them, then they have no one but themselves to blame for being booted.
<NancyL> This is for Q&A with the Zetas, and no other such lecture forum would allow these A*&#% holes to be present the way we have.
<NancyL> Spandy, the #zetatalk is not live during the week, my understanding, only now.
<Spanky> i mean #troubled_times
<NancyL> DuncanC, yes, we tried different rules, different rooms, etc., but feel this allows the audience to post questions best, during followup.
<NancyL> OK, I'll go get the agenda now, for the early birds ...
<DuncanC> ic
<obany> if folks behave, and stick to the rules .. there are no problems ..
<NancyL> CONTRADICTIONS
<NancyL> 1. Does ZT state that the poleshift occurs before and at the time when Px is directly between the earth and the sun? Does ZT state that the poleshift occurs before OR at the time when Px is directly between the earth and the sun? ZT on Website: When the giant comet positions itself exactly between the Earth and its Sun, things change.  
<NancyL> P21 Pole Shift (1995 Text)
<NancyL> When the giant comet positions itself exactly between the Earth and its Sun, things change. The Earth then has its greatest advocate for its previous alignment, the Sun and its magnetic alignment, negated. The Earth hears only the magnetic voice of the giant comet, so to speak, which stands between the Earth and its former magnetic commander, the Sun.
<NancyL> P20 Stop Rotation (IRC May 18 Addition)
<NancyL> When approaching the point of passage, the shift suddenly happens, and this is before the point when
<NancyL> Planet X is actually between the Earth and Sun. After the passage, Planet X exits as quickly as it approach.
<NancyL> 2. On TT-watch post 7563, you stated that the Zetas claimed Chandra Levy was not dead, had amnesia and was in Mexico.  Yet just the other day her body was supposedly found in a Washington jogging park. Can the Zetas explain the discrepency?
<NancyL> 3. Aborted/Orientation Percentages: Out of the 6 billion people currently on the planet, in rough estimate, what are the percentages for those in the service to others/service to self/spiritually undecided/aborted entity camps?
<NancyL> In the Density section, Photon Belt writeup, ZetaTalk states "The Earth, at close to 5 billion people, is approximately 25% Service-to-Other orientation, 7% Service-to-Self orientation, and 68% undecided."  I think these percentages must apply to the sparked souls only, which are apx 1 billion out of the whole (see below), as this adds up to 100%.  
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<NancyL>  population explosion."
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<NancyL> 911 FORE KNOWLEDGE
<NancyL> 1.  Do you think all the talk about Bush knowing about 911's possibility is part of this
<n> 1.  Do you think all the talk about Bush knowing about 911's possibility is part of this
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<NancyL> We're at the hours now, right?
<Wage> close enough
<redeye> yep
<Torbj> jo
<obany> almost ... about 3 minuts before the start
<NancyL> I'll begin.  The 1st Q is something that was open at the end of the last chat.
<NancyL> CONTRADICTIONS
<NancyL> 1. Does ZT state that the poleshift occurs before and at the time when Px is directly between the earth and the sun? Does ZT state that the poleshift occurs before OR at the time when Px is directly between the earth and the sun? ZT on Website: When the giant comet positions itself exactly between the Earth and its Sun, things change.  
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<NancyL> And I won't repost the two quotes, basically in 1995 they said EXACTLY between the Earth and Sun, and last IRC they said the shift starts just BEFORE it gets between the Earth and Sun.
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<NancyL> For anyone who has not seen the diagram, out there since late 1995, Point of Passage link from the TOPIC at http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword032.htm, this shows the angle and distance from Earth and Sun at passage.
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<NancyL> Px comes in at a 32 degree angle from the ecliptic, passes closer to the Earth than the Sun, and is not coming up exactly between the Earth and Sun but at an angle, never does position EXACTLY between the Earth and Sun.
<NancyL> Also, the Entry Angle writeup in Science section, also written in 1995, goes into great detail on the geometric relationship, which is where that graphic was drawn from, by Jack Price, in 1995.
<NancyL> Given that background, here's the Z's.
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<Spanky> why doesn't the gov't build giant electromagnets, move them and power them by nuclear ships, and use them to hold the poles in place using the same process of interruption that PX uses to keep the pole from jerking?
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<NancyL> ZT: As Nancy has pointed out, the sticking point is the use of the word EXACTLY in the Pole Shift writeup, in 1995, when more detail given that same year explains the angle and position and distance such that EXACTLY between the Earth and Sun do not seem appropriate.
<agentY> .
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<agentY> wow...lotta ppl here??
<NancyL> ZT: The one writeup was an overview, focusing on what occurs ON EARTH during the shift, and why it happens (magnetic alignment) and the others were focusing on positions between the planets and Sun.
<NancyL> ZT: If one goes to the store, for groceries, and Mother says "Father will be right back, he went shopping", and then Father does not come back for an hour as he also gassed up the car and chatted with a neighbor, does this make Mother a liar?
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<agentY> hitler info?   oh.wait till follow up? ok.
<NancyL> ZT: Her point was, he will be BACK, SOON, and she felt no need to explain all possible diversions he might make.
<Torbj> feel!
<NancyL> ZT: If Mother is approached by a cop, explaining that her husband is in danger of being shot as a kook with a gun has issued a death threat, her answer would NOT be in that context.
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<NancyL> ZT: She would then state that he went shopping and give the address of the grocery.  She would also list all possible side trips or activities he might make.
<NancyL> ZT: She would provide addresses, phone numbers, details on what he was wearing, the license plate number, and color of car.
<NancyL> ZT: Is there a difference in the CONTEXT, the FOCUS, in these two settings?  Yes!
<NancyL> End ZT on this contradiction.
<NancyL> 2. On TT-watch post 7563, you stated that the Zetas claimed Chandra Levy was not dead, had amnesia and was in Mexico.  Yet just the other day her body was supposedly found in a Washington jogging park. Can the Zetas explain the discrepency?
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<NancyL> Before I give the floor to the Z's I will quote from some articles on this matter.
<NancyL> http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/24/cf.crossfire/index.html
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<NancyL>  Any chance that perhaps the body was placed there after the search? Last night, we had a former homicide detective on who suggested that maybe the best place to hide a body is a place that had already been searched? Is there any evidence at the crime scene that perhaps the remains have been moved?
<NancyL> The body was not buried. It looks like it was lying on the floor of the forest there, and it was covered with what would accumulate over a year.
<NancyL>  the things you knew about Chandra Levy after she disappeared were these: the two salient facts that she frequently jogged in Rock Creek Park and that the last known act she committed -- the last thing she did that we knew about, I believe that you knew about -- was she looked up a map of Rock Creek Park on her computer. So, the park was the obvious place to search.
<NancyL> And the fact is the D.C. police did search it, as you know, with 50 police recruits over a period of days, then went back, searched again, went back, searched again. Can you be a lot more specific about how you didn't find this body and a dog walker did?
<NancyL> We actually spent some three weeks up there with recruits. ... But given the information we had from her computer, that was a natural place to look and we spent quite a bit of time. What we did was go to different groves and parking areas and paths, drawn concentric circles out of there and had our troops fan out from there to try to find it. ...
<NancyL> Convince our unconvinced viewers here that it is possible for 50 recruits over three weeks to miss finding a body in a park in the middle of a city, a densely populated city.
<NancyL> http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/22/levy.body/index.html
<NancyL> The park is not far from where Levy lived, and she was known to jog there.
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<NancyL> Last summer, police conducted an extensive search of the park without finding Levy.
<NancyL> The park cuts through some of the city's more upscale neighborhoods and includes jogging and bicycle paths. Police said Levy had looked at a Web site that included information about the Klingle Mansion, an 1823 farmhouse now used as park offices, the day she disappeared.
<NancyL> Ramsey said it is too soon to know if Levy's body was there at the time, no
<NancyL> nor do investigators yet know whether she died at the scene or was killed elsewhere and placed in the park.
<Andeomon> hi NancyL :)
<NancyL> That said, I'll give it to the Z's
<bluefox> whos chandra levy?
<NancyL> ZT: The missing person episode of the year, perhaps of the decade, was the Chandra Levy case.
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<bluefox> peolpe go missing evryday whats so special about her?
<NancyL> ZT: On major media, night after night, in the scandal rags, on Oprah, and with a web site devoted to the search, active for the entire time she was missing until her body was found.
<agentY> she was a jewish politician....thats the main reason.
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<NancyL> ZT: This hit the international news also, as CNN and FOX and other media giants go global.
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<bluefox> oh, sorry im not in usa, i dont read up on mainstream media lately
<NancyL> ZT: Did they not use dogs during the concentric circles they drew from her likely path outward, through the part?
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<agentY> dumb cops already said, they did not search area where body was found
<agentY> too busy eating donuts and such things.
<NancyL> ZT: Was the body not ABOVE GROUND, where rotting would attract dogs and wildlife, if not call the body to the attention of passing joggers by the ROT?
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<agentY> i live in manhattan,  every street corner smells like rot.
<agentY> i assume d.c. is same.
<NancyL> ZT: Could the body not be seen after the leaves fell from the trees, by a small plane passing overhead, given the clothing supposedly nearby?
<rcain2> Boy Scout Troop did a clean sweep of the area last month. Picked up every piece of trash and litter.
<NancyL> ZT: Bodies left above ground are torn apart and carried about by dogs or cats or other carnivors that live in city parks quite comfortably.
<NancyL> ZT: Coyotes, for instance, are urban residents.
<Nelliferr> lol
<agentY> or homeless folk
<agentY> coyotes in d.c. ???
<CalneCrusader> we are all gonna die in 12 months so who cares about the death of 1 person?
<morko> first you tell there is apocalypse coming and then you just speak about some missing politician... you seem to have strange priorities.
<NancyL> ZT: An arm, a leg, a shoulder bone, found at a distance from the body.
<NancyL> ZT: But NONE of this was the case, the skeletal remains intact!
<rcain2> Please ask Zata about Sept. 22 2002
<bluefox> we? speak for ur damn self! cal
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, one could conclude that 1. the body did not ROT there, 2. the body was MOVED there.
<agentY> ...err yeah, what is the chandra crap about anyways??
<NancyL> ZT: Who moved the body, and why?
<CalneCrusader> who cares
<agentY> iceberg fell off antarctica
<Nelliferr> Zeta's said she had amnesia and was in Mexico :o)
<agentY> hehehe
<NancyL> ZT: Given the media exposure, and the sensitivity of the Congressman who clearly wished to return to Congress and be re-elected, this was an open invitation for blackmail and delivery.
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<CalneCrusader> people die every day - talk about planet X please instead
<NancyL> ZT: A blackmail attempt was made, denied, and delivery done to embarrass the Congressman.
<NancyL> ZT: Was she murdered to fulfill this threat?  Yes, and well in advance of the finding of the bones.
<agentY> i think this chick just had a heart attack/seizure, etc.
<NancyL> ZT: Look to the viciousness of the Mexican drug cartels, for the methods they would use.
<NancyL> ZT: Chandra was identifiable, her face everywhere in the papers and on the web.
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<agentY> <NancyL> That said, I'll give it to the Z's                         open discussion now correct ?????????????
<NancyL> ZT: The Congressman was likewise identifiable, his district and Washington DC address in the media constantly.
<agentY> Z's  =  channel goers??
<agentY> oh...
<zanoni> hello everyone; this is my first visit.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, this contraditions is NOT a contradiction, in that the statements given in the summer of 2001 were correct, but the situation in the hands of man, subject to change, which it did.
<NancyL> ZT: She was found on the streets in Mexico, dazed and confused, and thus taken and used for blackmail.
<Nelliferr> lol
<NancyL> ZT: It was not deemed that contacting her parents would work, in that they feared a live body being able to identify those demaning money.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus she was quickly killed, and put out to rot in the sun.
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<Hugo> I read somewhere that the discovery of Chandra's body was a trigger for mind controlled terrorists. What do the Zetas make of such an assertion?
<kirk> why was she in Mexico and amnesiac?
<DuncanC> NancyL:  Thus, her body should show signs of UV damage?
<Nelliferr> My 10 year old son can lie better than this
<DuncanC> NancyL: damage that would not exist were she in the shade of the park the whole time
<CalneCrusader> perhaps she choked on a tortilla
<NancyL> DuncanC, she has no FLESH on the bones, and bones don't show such signs.
<DuncanC> ah
<Wage> does the appearance of her body coincide with plans to change the subject from embarassing questions of 'did bush know", etc?
<NancyL> Also, after the flesh rotting off, the bones were collected, I'm sure.
<NancyL> OK, going onto the 3rd Contradiciton.
<Nelliferr> So, will the Zetas tell us the date of the death?
<NancyL> 3. Aborted/Orientation Percentages: Out of the 6 billion people currently on the planet, in rough estimate, what are the percentages for those in the service to others/service to self/spiritually undecided/aborted entity camps?
<NancyL> In the Density section, Photon Belt writeup, ZetaTalk states "The Earth, at close to 5 billion people, is approximately 25% Service-to-Other orientation, 7% Service-to-Self orientation, and 68% undecided."  I think these percentages must apply to the sparked souls only, which are apx 1 billion out of the whole (see below), as this adds up to 100%.  
<NoN> Only a partial skeleton was discovered.
<Nelliferr> well, we brushed that aside mighty quickly
<NancyL> population explosion."
<kirk> agreed
<NancyL> This is not so much a contradition as unclear as to what is being referenced.  
<NancyL> I got some recent info on how many incarnated Star Children there are presently, about 23% of the 5 billion or so entities come to assist with the Transformation, which is 1 billion Star Kids incarnated. ZT may be saying here, 5 billion excluding Star Kids, but not clear if they are including un-sparked in the % above, which I doubt!  They would not even be undecided yet!  I suspect it is:
<NancyL> - 1 billion Star Kids
<NancyL> - 1 billion Sparked (25% STO, 7%STS, 68% Undecided)
<NancyL> - 4 billion Unsparked
<NancyL> That said, I'll give it to the Z's
<bluefox> guess what STG is?
<CalneCrusader> golf?
<NancyL> ZT: Why did we stated, in the Photon Belt writeup, that there were close to 5 billion people, when the figure is closer to 6 billion?
<Zugzwang> what are sparked & unsparked souls?
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<Torbj> the thing is...i don´t think the zetas have to prove their statement´s all the time...in this escallating time the will soon not be able to do nothing else than "proove" what the said erlier...please learne to listnen/feel to what´s comming in your way..
<sirgrim> how many unsparked are there?
<NancyL> ZT: The billion excluded is those human bodies incarnated by OTHER than terran born souls, in other words, Star Children.
<agentY> i'll be on #troubled_times talking about booze.  and that type of stuff.
<NancyL> ZT: And who were we addressing when we stated the percentages of STO, STS, and Undecided?
<NancyL> ZT: Clearly not human bodies who were only a POTENTIAL for a soul, not having sparked yet.
<NancyL> ZT: Could these humans be STO, a non-existent sould having made this decision?
<NancyL> ZT: Could they be undecided, if they were not yet aware of themselves to the extent of realizing there was a choice?
<NancyL> ZT: The percentages, reaching 100% in total, were addressing those approximate 1 billion humans incarnated with terran born souls, sparked in part lifetimes.
<JennaJ> Chandra Levy's purse, travel bags, apartment keys, etc. were still in her apartment after her dissapearance.  What was she doing in Mexico?  Zetas are becoming completely ridiculis!
<NancyL> ZT: Unsparked souls are fuzzy, aware of themselves as separate entities from other humans or animals, but basically dazed and wandering about, gap mouthed.
<NancyL> ZT: They are taking it all in, as the first passage, the first tour, the first time visiting a place.
<sirgrim> i think i'm one of them
<CalneCrusader> 4 out of 5 folks dont walk around dazed and open mouthed!
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<sirgrim> and don't care, still gonna do it my way
-obany- no disruption
<bluefox> ok starboy
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<NancyL> ZT: Unless some matter occurs to SPARK a soul, such as empathy for another in distress and a choice to sacrifice comfort of the self to assist the other, no sparking occurs.
<NancyL> ZT: A lazy life, lived in a local indolent with simple tasks, or taken out by early childhood illness, will not spark.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, the percentages, how the Earth's human population breaks down, is correct as computed by Nancy.
<NancyL> ZT: 1 billion incarnated by terran born souls, which break down int 25% STO, 7% STS, and 68% undecided.
<NancyL> ZT: 1 billion or so incarnated by souls born elsewhere, assisting in the Transformation, in other words, Star Children.
<NancyL> ZT: And 4 billion fogged potentials, dazed and gap-mouthed, trying to sort out the world on their first tour.
<NancyL> End ZT followup?
<beethoven> what are the percentages of sparked/unsparked in the USA?  is the percentage the same for all areas of the planet?
<CalneCrusader> I saw Attack of the Clones today - now I know I am a Jedi star Child
<Spanky> are most of the star children terran born entities that left in previous harvests?
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<Torbj> there is only one aeria....
<Torbj> you...
<bluefox> i almost felll asleep in that star wars movie
<NancyL> ZT to Beethoven: There is a greater percentage of unsparked souls in those continents or locales where life is a simple struggle, not industrialized, not in high communication with other cultures.
<JoeyB> Nancy, Are STO allowed to incarnate as star children at this time?
<mmt> and the Indigo Childs,
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, Third World countries have a higher percentage of unsparked souls.
<redeye> from what alien race are most of the star children entities from ?
<DuncanC> NanctL: do you have any idea of what percentage of worlds people are reincarnated Native American souls?  Did they all reincarnate on earth?
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, rural areas have a higher percentage of unsparked souls that urban areas.
<mmt> aren't the indigo children a new phenomenon?
<Hugo> when you say "born elsewhere" do you mean born beyond the limits imposed by the hierarchy?
<zanoni> All this is arguing how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. IF PX is comming, how can we make the best use of our lives NOW?
<Karen> Would you say that mostly STS are being born now prior the PS?
<JoeyB> Meant to say, are STS allowed to incarnate as star children.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, the corridors of power almost invariably have older souls, as this is deemed a high impact zone, given to high drama for choices.
<Karen> Because of restrictions afterwards
<NancyL> End ZT to Beethoven.
<beethoven> thanks...very interesting.
<CalneCrusader> i cant decide if i am an undecided or not :)
<NancyL> ZT to JoeyB: Both STO and STS are incarnating as Star Children.
<sirgrim> i'm unsparked ;D
<DuncanC> I've sparked... a blunt ;)
<NancyL> ZT: The higher percentage here are STO, as they are comfortable with a mission of caring, and self sacrifice.
<sirgrim> NancyL: i'm still cool with that, but don't see why i would be so special to be 'sparked'
<obany> didnt zetatalk say that only STO are allowed to be born as starchildren ?
<Torbj> Starscild or not....you are here to be "razzeled"....
<bluefox> i remember the karate kid movie, master sayin walk left side of road ok, walk right side of raod ok, walk in middle sooner or later crack
<Torbj> yuo are not "protected" as starborn....
<NancyL> ZT: Incarnations by higher level STS are rare, as they are impatient with discomfort, cannot carry an undercover role well, and theu are more likely to incarnate in an act of Possession than the long life of a Star Child.
<Zetapal> your not special sirgrim
<sirgrim> i know
<NancyL> ZT: In a Possession, they drop into a body where the incarnating spirit has decided to leave, and would otherwise commit suicide.
<bluefox> we are all special are we not zetapal?
<NancyL> ZT: Should this setting be an opportunity for the STS, they will play it for all it is worth, then leave.
<NancyL> ZT: The ending is either that the original spirit returns, or the body becomes an open forum for another incarnation, abandoned.
<NancyL> End ZT to JoeyB.
<Spanky> wouldnt these STS want more of these chances to "escape hell" ?
<NancyL> Calne, can't decide if you're undecided :-).  Is this a pun?
<obany> I remember reading from zetatalk that there are also starchildren from 6th density an higher ... Are there more starchildren from 4th density or from 5th density ?
<redeye> not if its worse that where they're from
<Zetapal> if everyone is special,then noone is special
<CalneCrusader> yes it was a wise crack nancy
<NancyL> Gerard, this sounds like another contradition :-)
<DavidS> What is the main feelings of a star born soul?They feel strongly they do not belong to Earth?
<DavidS> Other feelings which are very strong?
<CalneCrusader> how do you know if you are a star child?
<Hugo> rather that they BE-Long I would say :)
<NancyL> They in fact have stated, as I recall, that incarnations by highly STS are being allowed if they are ABOUT to make a choice, thus the very evil but very young children, violent against other children we see of late.
<bluefox> speacial in reference to realitve emptiness
<NancyL> ZT: But my understanding that because we are transforming, almost exclusively STO are incarnating, yes.
<CalneCrusader> Nancy, how do u know if u r a star child?
<Hugo> you realize it!
<Spanky> where did the earth entities taken on previous Harvests go?
<JennaJ> you show up in Mexico dazed and confused
<Zugzwang> lol
<NancyL> Spanky, STS don't escape their hell (living with others of their kind) by incarnating during a Transformation, but because of a decision, getting themselves in hot water on the STS world where they live, I presume.
<obany> okay i read it wrong
<obany> nancyL: i read it wrong
<obany> "Star Children are service minded higher entities that come from 4th, 5th, 6th, or even higher densities on rare occasions to do service"
<Torbj> the main feeling of not beeing a terrain is....not beeing a terrain...simple...as a terrain you never think thid thought
<NancyL> THEN they get to incarnate, I presume, in an undecided environment, to prove their decision, I would presume.
<DuncanC> Torbj: terran, !terrain =)
<redeye> what alien race is the primary source for star children at this time ?
<NancyL> DavidS, that's what I've heard, from Star Children, yes.   They feel "different".
<CalneCrusader> no you are mixing them up with homosexuals
<NancyL> Calne, there is no rule of thumb to be identified, that one is or NOT a Star Child.  They generally know, I gather.
<obany> is the amount of 4th density starchilderen greater then that of 5th and 6th ... ?
<DavidS> To be honest I am not surprise if I am a soul not of this Earth..I have sensed it very strongly since my childhood...
<redeye> obany : good Q.
<NancyL> Spanky, these worlds differed, but THIS time undecideds are off to a water world, STO human can incarnated back on Earth but maybe NOT, depending, and STS will go, often in their current human form to hell-worlds, living with other STS.
<redeye> i too
<bluefox> i love water, but the ting is i cant swim well
<CalneCrusader> I cant swim though
<redeye> ha ha
<NancyL> ZT to Redeye: As Earth is hominoid inhabited, the obvious choice of a Star Child background would be hominoid.
<NancyL> ZT: However, the entire gamut of past life forms are found.
<Hugo> STO -feel gratitude; STS -feel ingratitude
<DuncanC> NancyL:  Could you ask the Zetas if the Transformation relates to what Meher Baba (not Sai Baba), has said about his "universal work" for humanity?
<morko> this is worse than bible.
<NancyL> ZT: The reason is that it is the DETERMINATION of the entity, the skill set, the past roles they have played well, the strong desire to make a difference, that determines the choices of which volunteers to allow first incarnation opportunities.
<zanoni> Seeing little of value in this discussion, I leave you, bored and ignored. I had hoped to learn something USEFUL!
<NancyL> ZT: Star Children are found in all walks, but most often where existing incarnations are undecided, or they can support the Transformation.
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<NancyL> ZT: Thus, they would be unlikely to go into a primitive village, inhabited mostly by unsparked souls.
<sirgrim> how many star children are in this room?
<CalneCrusader> can we talk about PX now?
<obany> are the souls of those special children that are mentioned in the hybrid section of zettalk .. terran born ? or does this also differ?
<Zugzwang> so who holds the balance of power in the Council of Worlds?
<NancyL> ZT: Sparking is NOT caused by others, and thus their entire incarnation as a Star Child would be wasted.
<NancyL> ZT: But if in a combat zone, of sorts, combat of orientation decisions and opportunities, their presence would make a difference.
<NancyL> ZT: Supporting humans, terran born souls, in significant of high impact activities is regarded as a primary mission for Star Children.
<mmt> Dr. Leir made a study about functional growth criteria of children and came to the conclusion, that the growth has accelerated
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<Torbj> jhust by beeing here....you make a change1
<Wage> mmt prob. from the growth hormones in the food we eat..
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, there are many about Nancy, and Troubled Times, and as staff in the corridors of power and politics around the world, and in the fields were assisting starvation or suffering are the focus.
<NancyL> End ZT to .. whomever.
<redeye> wow, i see
<JoeyB> Star children are also subject to the rules of forgetfulness, true?
<mmt> I meant the number of months when a child can walk ..
<NancyL> Gerard/Obany, the special children simply have a different DNA, semi-hybrid, and this has nothing to do with soul background.
<NancyL> Could be either!
<redeye> thanks
<DuncanC> Nancy:  how soon after the PS willl hybrids arrive?
<obany> NancyL: ok
<CalneCrusader> nice question dunc
<NancyL> ZT to Sirgrim, of the less than 100 in this chat room, fully 37% are Star Children, but most are unaware of this status.
<Hugo> JoeyB: subject to forgetfulness and impelled to wakefulness
<NancyL> End ZT to Sirgrim.
<bluefox> so hows the weather in usa? its frezzing down here in aus
<Torbj> joeyb...yes....you are forgetting who you are, as anyone
<JoeyB> And the forgetfulness gets worse after 40 :)
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<DuncanC> bluefox: erratic.  big swings.
<redeye> yowsers
<CalneCrusader> I am a star child, but i kid around a lot
<NancyL> ZT to DuncanC: The hybrids are already on Earth!  Simply not in 3rd Density where you can see them.
<sirgrim> grimbot is definately sto
<NancyL> ZT: At the shift, or we should say shortly thereafter, their communities will move into 3rd Density and they will begin interacting.
<redeye> cool
<DuncanC> NancyL: i see.. could one sense these somehow?
<NancyL> ZT: We have stated that the time of catasrophy is a time when the human mind and spirit will be open to change.
<NancyL> ZT: What has NOT changed in their life?
<DuncanC> yes...
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, depending upon location, depending upon readiness for such interchange, the hybrids will be neighbors directly AFTER the shift!
<NancyL> End ZT to DuncanC.
<DuncanC> this is what I've felt... I hope that it will be a Transformation, indeed.
<NancyL> I'm going to the last Q as time is short.
<NancyL> 911 FORE KNOWLEDGE
<NancyL> 1.  Do you think all the talk about Bush knowing about 911's possibility is part of this
<NoN> Will we recognize hybrids for what they are immediately?
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<CalneCrusader> yes non they have 2 noses
<DuncanC> NoN: from what I've read, yes
<NancyL> ZT: The Bush Administration was being warned, WELL outside of the published FBI reports and privous knowledge about planned terrorist activities.
<NancyL> ZT: As we stated after the Attack on America, they were being warned by their allies in the UK and Europe that the arrogance they were showing, the disregard for other nations fortunes, would not be tolerated.
<NancyL> ZT: This is not so much a threat put into writing, as private chat and inuendoes.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, they were hardly going to warn the public, as they were too focused on acting NORMAL.  
<NancyL> ZT: The very LACK of warning, the decision to say NOTHING, indicates they were working under a coverup of the true agendas in operation.
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<NancyL> ZT: As we stated when the entire state of Arizona, in 1997, viewed a mother ship in the skies.  It was not the SIGHTING that was impressive, and proof of a coverup, it was the DELAY in reporting!
<NancyL> ZT: A 3 month delay occurred before several major media outlets reported it.  Why the corrdinated delay?  
<NancyL> ZT: This stood as proof of a coverup, and the coverup stood as proof of the alien presence.
<NancyL> ZT: In like manner, Bush Knew shows NOT that they were simply incompetent, but were so focused on hiding the threats they were receiving, determined to tough it out and not let the public know WHY allies would be upset with them, that they coverup up to closely!
<NancyL> End ZT Followup?
<Fonturo> Those Zetas sure do hate the Bush family
<CalneCrusader> why have the US pulled out of the kyoto agreement
<DuncanC> NancyL:  re: Government; Why was Alternative 2 implemented if they knew the extent of earthquakes?
<DuncanC> Calne:  because they know shits gonna hit the fan
<Wage> so european financial interests were behind it? you'd mentioned other agendas also...
<NancyL> DuncanC, the Alternatives were incited by STS aliens in contact with MJ12 et al.  
<JennaJ> CalneCrusader Do you know someone who can stop us?
<NancyL> The STS aliens wanted NOT to save them, but to create a sense of abandonment, anger, and the like.
<n>  How was first contact arranged?
<NancyL> Anything that drives a soul more toward STS orientation.
<CalneCrusader> can the zetas say something about the Us pulling outta kyoto?
<DuncanC> and STS are still around, active in abductions, etc?
<NancyL> Fonturo, the Zetas here are STO, the Bush family is anything BUT that.
<NancyL> They don't like the NAZI SS either, or child molesters in priestly garb, etc.
<Fonturo> I think your Zetas are the ones that are STS Nancy, you just don't know it yet
<Okidok> the problems with this is to fall in the conspirasy trap,,,,
<Jerry> is Kreskin correct in saying there will be a major UFO sighting in May or June?
<DuncanC> jerryL good question
<Spanky> wouldnt the birthing envoys know better than to put so many STS in the same nest (Bush family)
<NancyL> Cancne, they didn't pull out, they never AGREED.  This was part of the arrogance that got them in troulbe with the uK, ahead of 911.
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<DuncanC> Spanky: sometimes you only need 1 to lead the herd... who doubts Geroge W is not sparked?
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<Torbj> being out of 2koyoto" you can act as you will....s you offcourse can do beeing "within" th coyotowritings
<JennaJ> "Bush family" is a generalization.  you are making sweeping generalization of real people.
<DuncanC> Spanky: But George Sr. now that is another story, and Barbera, good grief! ;)
<JoeyB> Nancy: Are all the rumblings of future attacks an attempt at a different tact this time?
<NancyL> 1. US is the largest polluter, yet they exempted themselves.  Now, if Global Warming is the reason for the current Earth changes, the excuse, they they are NOT going along with the public excuse!
<DuncanC> JoeyB:  I bet those warnings are distractions, idle threats
<NancyL> 2. the US walked out of the Civil Rights conference, global, in South Africa, the week ahead of 911.
<obany> over here you can read what the Zetas say about the tokyok agreement http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t104.htm
<Torbj> dont forget the moviestar that brought the starvars to real world scene
<NancyL> They walked out with Israel, as the conference was wanting to address how Israel treats the Palestinians.
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<Fonturo> So much animosity towards the US government, the Zetas have to be STS
<JoeyB> DuncanC: Perhaps a combination of both?
<NancyL> When that happened, in South Africa, I felt it was a mistake.
<DuncanC> Fonturo: give me a break
<NancyL> SO arrogant, can do anything they want, never mind that Europe is right next door and hates the constant conflict.
<Fonturo> As if nothing of any good ever comes out of the US
<DuncanC> Fonturo: look into the actions and effects of US policy and intervention, CIA, etc
<Fonturo> And no other country has had undercover agencies Duncan?
<NancyL> Now US want to war with Iraq, as a distraction, and to hell with Europe which must deal with the pollution, the migration of people, etc.
<NoN> Font:  Not from the US govt.
<NancyL> More Bush Afdministration arrogance, etc.
<DuncanC> Fonturo:  None other that I know of has had the reach and extent of the CIA
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<CalneCrusader> Migration is becoming a disaster here in the UK - we are building reception centres now (concentration camps)
<NancyL> Well, folks, I see our new rules in action.  
<Hugo> in australia we call them detention centres
<NancyL> Good for you, Gerard!
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<NancyL> It's the hour, and I tire.  Thank you all for coming and inspiring great ZetaTalk!
<DuncanC> NancyL:  thx
<kirk> byebye
<NancyL> Bye bye!
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<Anonymous> Sorry folks, I got here late. Is the session over or just starting?
<Jan> Thanks Nancy
<DuncanC> over, bro
<bobope> Thanks for answering the question of Chandra Levy!
<Fonturo> another good week of laughs, thanks
<JennaJ> Fonturo kicked for defending U.S.  hmmm
<Torbj> Nancy...feel my hug?
<Spanky> gotta feed the worms...?
<DuncanC> jenna: please...
<NancyL> Excellent timing Anon :-).  
<redeye> nancy l & zetas thx
<RobH> thanks again Nancy!
<obany> thank you Nancy an the Zetas bye ....
<Fonturo> Thats the norm Jenna
<kirk> government not country or people
<NancyL> Torby, hug back bye bye!
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<obany> for those that don't know there is also #troubled_times
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<DuncanC> mexican cartels, eh...
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<obany> open 24/7
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<DuncanC> hmmmm
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<obany> see http://www.zetatalk.com/thub10.htm
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<RobH> Fonturo : Yeah many other countries smuggle drugs in the BODIES of dead vietanm veterans
<Zetapal> Duncan you had some pretty god questions there man, good job.
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<Anonymous> Thanks Duncan! Yeah, I see everyone signing out. Well, next week I'll have to try to get here earlier. Thanks again
<Fonturo> Whats your point Rob?
<n>  Well .anybody knows clearly how first contact was made?
<RobH> wonderful track record this US govt has --- so caring,  they spray us with chemtrails DAILY
<Fonturo> proof please?
<RobH> LOOK UP
<redeye> lol
<Fonturo> other than wacko web sites?
<Feverglow> anybody know much about chemtrail activity in canada???
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<RobH> And BTW, the CIA ADMITS to the drug smuggling, its not a conspiracy
<Fonturo> Rob, learn the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail
<RobH> check out their own report at CIA.gov
<Torbj> a reminder of "hard work"...those of you that are wondering what to grow.....don´t ever forget GARLIC!
<Lovestarr> that Levy explanation was lame...
<obany> the question about the hybrids..... i would like to meet them in consciouss live
<Feverglow> i see them occassionally, not quite sure what to think about them
<Zetapal> not as bad as auschewitz
<redeye> obany : me too
<Fonturo> very lame Lovestarr
<RobH> I know the differece, but there are photos of planes spraying DIRECTLY from their wingtips, THAT IS NOT A CONTRAIL
<Fonturo> but, she only had a few days to make it up
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<RobH> NOR IS A LINE IN THE SKY MAKING AN  X
<Fonturo> yep, ok Rob <g>
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<obany> fonturo and how do you know it's made up huh ???? any evidence?
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<Feverglow> Anybody see any of these planes spraying in Canada?? or are they just in the US
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<Tripitaka> Fonturo: does nancy ever answer questions on the spot in these chats?
<Torbj> you are probabbly right now starting to "stumble" over them
<Fonturo> lol, thanks
<Fonturo> Nope Trip
<RobH> planes do not normally CROSS FLIGHTPATHS!
<Lovestarr> Fonturo: agree.. zeta squawk...
<Zugzwang> Nancy has a set agenda which sucks
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<obany> zugzwang: well if you read the logs you know there are open sessions once in a while
<Fonturo> she'll do whatever possible to ignore them, like the Chandar Levey questions today
<Torbj> those who make "curious" marks in your "rememberence"....
<Zugzwang> true...once in a while
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<Lovestarr> Fonturo: looks like zetas do what they have to cover their tracks of lies.. or misinfo...
<Torbj> you will remember the eyes...
<obany> zugzwang: yes .. well what's wrong with having an agena.. the session last for an hour and not for 3 hours ... and demaning for answers and questions is a no done
<Anonymous> Getting here late I missed the session. Does anyone know when the log will be ready for viewing on the Zetatalk site?
<Fonturo> Lovestarr, yes.
<Feverglow> yeop
<Zugzwang> I just don't see how Chandra Levy has any relevence to PX
<Thunderoc> fever...all over canada too
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<Lovestarr> Fonturo: that hybrid program is not going to fly...
<obany> tommorow .. not sure wich time but usualy in the evening
<obany> lovestarr: doh
<obany> evening for me
<obany> dutch time
<Fonturo> Lovestarr, none Zetatalk will fly after this fall
<Lovestarr> I can accept 5/15/3 fonturo.. but not zetas..
<Anonymous> Thanks Obany!
<Fonturo> Unless Nancy can convince people that Niburu is invisible then
<redeye> have to go...later
<Lovestarr> amateur sightings??
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<Lovestarr> oh, orion is below the horizon..
<Lovestarr> wait till november?
<Fonturo> She claims by this summer, coordinates not usefull until fall
<Lovestarr> how about south hemisphere?
<Lovestarr> oh, no observatories...
<Torbj> Nancy id here for your own rememberence of your intenssion of beeing here in this time1
<Anonymous> A hail and hearty farewell to all. See you all next week... I hope.
<Fonturo> should be sooner than northern
<Fonturo> prolly late July, early August
<Torbj> WAKE UP!
<Lovestarr> that Chandra Levy explanation was a total joke..
<Feverglow> of course they expect people to believe them,  people are going to start thinking that the zetas are god
<Lovestarr> zetas right again???
<obany> lovestarr: and how do you know that so well ??????
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<Fonturo> They already do Fever
<obany> that is was a joke
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<Feverglow> yea  and its not a good thing
<Fonturo> obany, you actually beleive that?
<Lovestarr> Fonturo: to obany the zetas are gospel..
<obany> fonturo: and how do you know it's not right???
<Feverglow> i dont know what i believe   but id rather listen to what my insides are telling me about this
<Fonturo> Chandra had amnesia, went to Mexico, was abducted by the drig cartel, and then killed and brought back to DC?
<Spanky> obany did you get that file?
<obany> they are not gospel for me ... you don't even know me
<Thunderoc> good cop- bad cop?   STO - STS  ?
<n>  I still wandering how first contact was made with (different) aliens , has somebody a followup?
<Thunderoc> the STS make the STO...seem kinda like a security blanket
<Thunderoc> but have to admit...they have been right at a lot of things..
<Torbj> if you wanna sing...then SING!....god night...
<Zugzwang> Nancy forgot about STE service to earth
<Spanky> dont trust the piggies.  They are for the most part jocks getting paid to do what they did in high school - push people around.
<morko> if there are any zetans here, i just want you to know that you can suck my dick.
<Fonturo> now, that was uncalled for Morko
<Thunderoc> summer's progression of PX will tell the story's finish I spose..unless all of our UNDIVIDED attention to thuis matter.....somehow is RESPONSIBLE in creating this VERY REALOTY?..hmmm...
<Fonturo> How do you know they have mouths?
<Thunderoc> reality^
<JennaJ> It's the thought that counts..no mouths
<Fonturo> Thunder, I doubt it. There'll be an excuse for why it's not visible in the largest of amateur scopes
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<Lovestarr> right fonturo...
<Fonturo> lol Jenna :o)
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<Thunderoc> surely a planets that size can be detected through other than just sight..
<Fonturo> Thunder, there'll be more CCD imaging, it won't be found.
<Fonturo> And there'll be excuses why not
<Spanky> ZT does not support my theory of sub alignments Lawful Good, Chaotic Good, Neutral Good, Lawful Neutral, Chaotic Neutral, True Neutral, lawful evil, Chaotic Evil, Neutral Evil.
<Thunderoc> perhaps the zeta's are droids..set up by the Annunakki to 'corral us...thier lil experiment?
<Spanky> anyone play DnD?
<Lovestarr> Thunderoc.. there are reports of that...
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<Fonturo> Thunder, if you believe that Nancy is actually getting a message from somewhere, that's possible
<Lovestarr> but not adroids by annunaki...
<JennaJ> DnD might have made more sense
<Zugzwang> I wouldn't be surprised if Nancy has an acute form of schizophrenia involving some kind of voice hearing psychosis.....and this is how she deals with her illness
<Thunderoc> sitchin recently has said this...
<obany> thunderoc: nah i dont think so .... i have read it also but no
<Fonturo> Zug, my fealings exactly <g>
<obany> zugzwang: doh
<n>  Does MJ12 have a lot of photographs of different aliens??
<JennaJ> Zetas might be Lawful Evil
<Lovestarr> zeta abductions are denounced massively by true STO's in the council
<Fonturo> If they were evil, I'd think they'd be more convincing
<Lovestarr> the zetan plan is entirely STS
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<Spanky> the dog probably thinks you're evil when you take it to the vet...
<obany> lovestarr: yeah yeah i know by now that you dislike th Zetas
<Thunderoc> lol
<Feverglow> maybe not evil but misguiding!?
<Fonturo> I think the origin of the message is Wisconsin USA, no where else
<Lovestarr> Fonturo: it is MKUltra mind control...
<Lovestarr> nancy channels the CIA..
<Lovestarr> :)
<Fonturo> naw, she channels nothing
<Fonturo> that's why you get all the politics
<Feverglow> if any of this stuff is true why hasnt anybody shut down nancy's page?
<Lovestarr> she should have a brain scan for zeta brain cells
<Fonturo> Fever, why?
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<Lovestarr> monitored...
<Fonturo> It's a source of amusement for many
<Zugzwang> regardless, she's setting herself up for an almighty fall come May 2003
<Feverglow> ?  i would think that the government wouldnt want people to truley believe and follow her
<Lovestarr> easier to take em out...
<Fonturo> naw, no one is behind Zetatalk except Nancy
<Lovestarr> she needs a brain scan...
<Lovestarr> she could have a tumor or something...
<Feverglow> maybe planet x is coming to kill us all   but can anybody really predict it ?
<Lovestarr> only nancy can
<Feverglow> if happens it will happen
<Thunderoc> well  there is a lot wruittenb about PX   that is not zeta
<Fonturo> Gee, I don't know. We can see brown dwarfs light years away, but not Nancy's
<Feverglow> yea
<Thunderoc> written^
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<Fonturo> I would say we could predict it, if it was there at all
<n>  Well , i will see what the future brings . I quit with this IRC session now. Have a nice evening /morning. Bye bye.
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<Spanky> WHERE IS IQX?
<Lovestarr> PX is real, zetas riding the wave
<Feverglow> maybe??
<Feverglow> something has to come a change the planet
<Feverglow> we cant keep on going like this forever
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<Fonturo> Change will come from the people, not from an outside influence
<Zugzwang> exactly....STE Service To Earth
<Feverglow> maybe its the negativity in people  that call on an outside force to interfere??
<PottM> No doubt we will be hit again in the future by Asteroids or Comets.
<Fonturo> I like that Zug
<morko> only if miracle wakes up all fucked up idiots to see more than their own ass, that could be planet x
<Thunderoc> fever that what the Zeta's say
<Feverglow> yea  
<Fonturo> Pott, that's more likely than Niburu
<PottM> It's not a question of likelyness but when.
<Feverglow> i agree there are way too many  fucking idiots
<Thunderoc> but...the council of worlfds...hmmm
<Fonturo> true
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<Thunderoc> but then why havent we been back to the moon?...
<Fonturo> Too expensive Thunder
<Feverglow> id rather keep questioning  all of this   then be told what will happen and disappoint me
<Fonturo> we have no way to get there either
<PottM> Scientists believe that impacts are at their highest probability as the Earth passes through the ultra dense layer of the Galaxy.
<PottM> Fortunatly that is approximately a 30million year cycle.
<Fonturo> Pott, we stay pretty much in the same place as we rotate around the galactic center
<PottM> However it does not mean that a impact can't happen at any other time.
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<Feverglow> has anybody read Heidi Hollis's book???
<Fonturo> Any impacts will come from within the solar system and the Oort cloud
<Lovestarr> Feverglow: saw her website..
<PottM> The solar system not only spirals but bob's up and down through the Galaxy.
<Zugzwang> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/neo/close.html check this link out for up coming near earth approaches
<Fonturo> true, but you're talking millions andmillions of years
<PottM> Millions and millions of years seems much more appropriate for an event of mass change.
<Fonturo> More of a chance on interuption from globular clusters than anything dense in the galaxy
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<Fonturo> or the LMC, SMC or Sagitarian dwarf
<PottM> The dense layer which the Earth passes through brings the solar system closer to other stars.
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