Session Start: Sat Aug 31 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #ZetaTalk
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[10:31] <skeleton> good day
[10:32] <obany> hi
[10:34] <skeleton> how do you feel about planet x?
[10:36] <obany> well i take it serious
[10:37] <skeleton> of course
[10:38] <skeleton> ive been reading and following zetatalk for a number of years now
[10:38] <skeleton> since 1998
[10:38] <skeleton> the thing that drew me to it was the accuracy of its spiritual descriptions
[10:40] <obany> i know it since 1995
[10:41] <skeleton> do you know where to find a picture of this supposed hybrid photo ?
[10:41] <Freax> hmm picture of a photo
[10:41] <obany> a hybrid photo what you mean by that ther is a drawing in zetatalk of a hybrid .. bot no photo
[10:42] * Freax scratches his head
[10:42] <skeleton> yes i have seen the picture there
[10:42] <skeleton> what is the URL for that again ?
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[10:46] <obany> okay back ... what kind of picture do you man skel ?
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[10:47] <skeleton> i heard there was a picture of a hybrid released somewhere
[10:49] <obany> well skeloton, acc zetatalk they are in 4th density on earth now.. not in 3th density yet... so i don't think there is a picture of a hybrid
[10:49] <obany> and i didn't heard o read about it
[10:50] <skeleton> ok
[10:50] <skeleton> do you remember the URL for the drawing of the hybrid on ZT ?
[10:55] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h24.htm
[10:58] <skeleton> thank you :)
[10:59] <skeleton> im sorry to burden you like that
[10:59] <skeleton> it was laziness on my part
[10:59] <obany> no problem skel
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[11:19] <skeleton> what do you guys think of this URL http://www.mm2000.nu/sphinxc.html ?
[11:19] <skeleton> do you think the zetas will comment on it today ?
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[11:34] <drfist> weel, dreaming of the sacred plant is considered in the hundu religion as very good luck
[11:34] <Sapphire> Too bad Mark H won't join us.
[11:35] <STO_WARRIOR> i bet you'd have alot of fun with him, sapphire
[11:37] <Sapphire> yeah, did you see his girlfriend's response to me.
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[11:37] <ZooSpecimen> hi
[11:37] <STO_WARRIOR> no, i missed it
[11:38] <STO_WARRIOR> was it a pleasant experience?>
[11:38] <Sapphire> first she says that I'm wrong...then after explaining and explaining she basically confirmed everything I said.
[11:38] <Sapphire> lol
[11:38] <STO_WARRIOR> too funny
[11:39] <STO_WARRIOR> sapphire, do you think anyone really is making alot of money off of this?
[11:40] <drfist> looks like 16 people on zetatalk, talking abut the debunking ahead
[11:40] <Sapphire> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/planetx2003/message/314
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[11:41] <Sapphire> Hazlewood/Preville and McCanney are making the most money, at least from what I can determine.
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[11:45] <Sapphire> Preville also directly lied when she stated Mark and her didn't live in Miami anymore.  His apartment is the corporate office...in Miami.  Not, the law firm she mentions.
[11:45] <Sapphire> Call on the phone...she answers.
[11:45] <Sapphire> lol
[11:46] <Freax> hehe
[11:46] <STO_WARRIOR> maybe she is worried about becoming a target
[11:46] <Sapphire> perhaps, but what happened to the huge tidal waves which will cover over the Florida penninsula...apparently Mark ain't too concerned.
[11:47] <Sapphire> His Dad still lives there too.
[11:47] <STO_WARRIOR> you have to admit though, they do still have time to move
[11:47] <Sapphire> true.  But, you know corporate taxes are not due until March 2003.
[11:48] <Sapphire> He claims there will be no functioning IRS by then.
[11:48] <Sapphire> He is a hypocryte.
[11:48] <STO_WARRIOR> by march, wow i can't wait
[11:48] <Freax> lol
[11:48] <Sapphire> He convinces these people to move elsewhere while he sits on his as and plans another book...
[11:49] <STO_WARRIOR> well to be honest with you, i felt the need to move from california, and i did
[11:49] <Sapphire> I've got a peice of literature coming too...he'll be in it.
[11:49] <STO_WARRIOR> felt it was time to go north and further inland
[11:49] <STO_WARRIOR> will it be on your site?
[11:50] <Sapphire> It depends on what happens over the next 9 months I suppose.
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[11:53] <STO_WARRIOR> sapphire, do you think earth has ever been visited by E.T'S ?
[11:56] <MichaelCunningham> first, to get those tidal waves you have to have a PX
[11:56] <Sapphire> Yes, I think it is likely.
[11:56] <MichaelCunningham> second, for a pole shift, you have to have a PX
[11:57] <MichaelCunningham> everything ties to the one link in the chain... PX
[11:57] <Freax> well hopefully when we move ill have enough money to buy a high end maede telescope
[11:57] <MichaelCunningham> no pX... no chain
[11:57] <Sapphire> yep
[11:57] <Freax> ill buy some solar filters and take some CCD pics for ya k?
[11:57] <STO_WARRIOR> not true, ive heard it discussed that shifting of weight at the south pole could in theory cause it
[11:57] <Freax> at this supposed PX location
[11:57] <MichaelCunningham> no hardly STO
[11:58] <Freax> hey maybe ill buy a nice camera and scan em in for ya
[11:58] <MichaelCunningham> not hardly STO
[11:58] <Freax> at high resos
[11:58] <STO_WARRIOR> i don't have the data base to know one way or the other
[11:59] <MichaelCunningham> Nancy and the Zeta's say otherwise :)
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[12:01] <MichaelCunningham> let's not forget the whole premise of Zetatalk is "to get the message out"
[12:01] <MichaelCunningham> that being of a pole shift caused by PX
[12:01] <STO_WARRIOR> michael is it true that no evidence exists to suggest a pole shift has ever happened before?
[12:01] <MichaelCunningham> everything else is a moot point
[12:02] <Freax> hehe
[12:02] <MichaelCunningham> you are correct STO
[12:02] <Freax> i almost choked on that one!
[12:02] <Freax> *coughS*
[12:03] <STO_WARRIOR> hell, i really don't know what to think anymore......
[12:03] <ukuz_out> I thought there was evidence of previous poleshifts?
[12:03] <MichaelCunningham> nope
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[12:03] <uku> hmmm
[12:04] <STO_WARRIOR> magnetic poles yes
[12:04] <MichaelCunningham> yes on the magnetic
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[12:04] <STO_WARRIOR> but not planet tilt
[12:04] <ZooSpecimen> what about the quick frozen mamouths?
[12:04] <MichaelCunningham> that's correct, no flip-flop of the plantary poles
[12:04] <STO_WARRIOR> but we do wobble right?
[12:05] <MichaelCunningham> slight wobble
[12:05] <Freax> you know eversince ive started drinking bottled spring water ive felt much livelier than before
[12:05] <STO_WARRIOR> and if i'm not mistaken a wobble can increase
[12:05] <MichaelCunningham> nope
[12:05] <STO_WARRIOR> well does anyone know why we wobble
[12:05] <Freax> because we orbit around the sun
[12:06] <STO_WARRIOR> my girlfriend wobbles while she walks
[12:06] <Freax> and the moon pulls us slightly every year
[12:06] <Freax> lol
[12:06] <MichaelCunningham> mainly mass distribution
[12:06] <STO_WARRIOR> and distribution doesnt change i take it
[12:06] <Freax> depends on if one planet gains in mass
[12:06] <Freax> or one planet looses mass
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[12:07] <Ogmios> hi
[12:07] <STO_WARRIOR> unless an outside force acts upon it
[12:07] <Freax> hi Ogmios
[12:07] <Freax> unless an outside force acts upon it yeah
[12:07] <STO_WARRIOR> hmmmmm
[12:07] <Nol> hi all
[12:08] <STO_WARRIOR> i wuld think that what is going on in the center of the earth could have a role in the amount of wobble the planet has
[12:08] <MichaelCunningham> not on a mass as large as the earth
[12:08] <STO_WARRIOR> especially if its of center abit
[12:08] <Freax> i really think you guy's should be looking at the speeding bullets that hit our atmosphere every second per particle of ultra-high energy cosmic ray's
[12:09] <MichaelCunningham> pressure and density is too great to allow any large movements
[12:09] <Freax> with speeds of 100mph and the punch of 10^19 electron volts
[12:10] <Freax> from the elliptical galaxies NGC 3610, NGC 3613, NGC 5322, NGC 4589
[12:10] <ZooSpecimen> is there an major underground vulcano near the south pole ?
[12:10] <Freax> lol
[12:10] <ZooSpecimen> (underwater)
[12:11] <MichaelCunningham> I think there's a few down there
[12:11] <STO_WARRIOR> there is a gigantic lake completely under the ice at the south pole
[12:11] <MichaelCunningham> :)
[12:11] <Nol> blup
[12:11] <STO_WARRIOR> and its warm
[12:11] <STO_WARRIOR> 50 miles long i think
[12:11] <ZooSpecimen> some say thats what's causing the ice break up
[12:11] <MichaelCunningham> just a few degrees above freezing
[12:12] <STO_WARRIOR> imagine the discoveries that awit there
[12:12] <STO_WARRIOR> await
[12:12] <Nol> maybe ZooSpecimen
[12:12] * Nol i don't know.....
[12:12] <ZooSpecimen> px could make it worse
[12:13] * Nol : perhaps....
[12:13] <MichaelCunningham> you have to prove the existence of PX first
[12:13] * Nol is unsure ...but at the main good hearted
[12:13] <ZooSpecimen> true
[12:14] <MichaelCunningham> focus on the proof first
[12:14] <uku> wonder if this week would reveal any photos...
[12:14] <uku> ;)
[12:14] <MichaelCunningham> if PX exist... then worry about everything else
[12:15] <MichaelCunningham> without it, nothing else is true
[12:15] <stphrz> xactly
[12:16] <ZooSpecimen> i think the only thing that will convince me of px would be an obvious to the naked eye sighting
[12:16] * Nol made a sort of "greenZetan"      http://members.lycos.nl/webhtml/md2.swf
[12:17] * Nol just a silly thing
[12:17] * Nol hehe lol!
[12:17] <ZooSpecimen> as far as aliens go, either there is no life in the universe or its teaming with life and they found us a long time ago
[12:18] <STO_WARRIOR> well if you are of a mind that the asteroid belt isn't left over junk from the formation of the solar system but maybe a planet that exploded, one has to wonder how that planet got destroyed.....and a huge planet with a very starnge orbit could explain it
[12:18] <Nol> they develloped us...
[12:18] <Freax> live has already been proven to exist in meteors from mars
[12:18] <Freax> live = life
[12:18] <Nol> didn't found...
[12:18] <MichaelCunningham> STO... first you must prove a planet exploded
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[12:19] <MichaelCunningham> only stars explode
[12:19] <STO_WARRIOR> but michael, we have ice and rock flying around out there
[12:19] <MichaelCunningham> exactly...
[12:19] <STO_WARRIOR> that stuff is found on planets
[12:19] <MichaelCunningham> look at all the comets
[12:20] <Freax> saturns rings, the kuiper belt, oort cloud
[12:20] <MichaelCunningham> where did the planet go that exploded to make them?
[12:20] <MichaelCunningham> planets are very stable
[12:20] <STO_WARRIOR> ocean on planet that explodes become comets
[12:20] <STO_WARRIOR> lol
[12:20] <MichaelCunningham> and will not explode
[12:21] <Freax> maybe degrading fusion occoured in one of the planets and all of it's water turned into hydrogen/oxygen and blew the fucker to bits
[12:21] <ZooSpecimen> lol
[12:21] <MichaelCunningham> there is no type of reaction occurring in the core of smaller planets
[12:21] <Freax> bullshit
[12:22] <MichaelCunningham> explain
[12:22] <Freax> there has to be a chemical reaction occouring in the moons of uranus
[12:22] <MichaelCunningham> not in the cores
[12:22] <Freax> for it is molten pouring lava mountains
[12:22] <Freax> well it has to come from the core
[12:22] <MichaelCunningham> incorrect
[12:22] <Freax> from the friction of the larger planet
[12:22] <Freax> elaborate
[12:22] <Freax> dear watson
[12:22] <MichaelCunningham> you're thinking of Io in orbit around Jupiter
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[12:23] <ZooSpecimen> depends how long they've been cooling/
[12:23] <Freax> yes Io
[12:23] <Freax> im scratchy on the facts MichaelCunningham
[12:23] <Freax> very scratchy
[12:23] <Freax> hehe
[12:23] <MichaelCunningham> Io suffers from tidal flex
[12:23] <Freax> well there has to be some kind of chemical reaction between molten metal meterials
[12:23] <MichaelCunningham> which keeps it's core molton
[12:23] <ZooSpecimen> Io is being pushed and pulled by others
[12:23] <MichaelCunningham> molten
[12:24] <MichaelCunningham> only being pushed and pulled by Jupiter
[12:24] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: can you proove this with scientific url that it's only on the surface?
[12:24] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: or is this just wish wash pre-tendo-makeup
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[12:24] <MichaelCunningham> it would take me some time to post the multiped of studies done on Io
[12:24] <MichaelCunningham> multitude
[12:24] <Freax> well i dont believe you then
[12:24] <stphrz> uh huh
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[12:24] <MichaelCunningham> your loss
[12:25] <Freax> no no
[12:25] <Freax> my gain
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[12:25] <Freax> =D
[12:25] <MichaelCunningham> you need to study the plantary sciences first
[12:25] * Freax pins down Nol with a pin
[12:25] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: no i dont i just watched 'the planets' videos
[12:26] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: dosent mean my theory is incorrect about Io's volcanic erruption'
[12:26] <MichaelCunningham> frequent the library more often then
[12:26] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: shutup about the library, its too far away and australia's education system is funding our political parties with other democrats
[12:26] <MichaelCunningham> given the observational evidence... you're theory is incorrect
[12:26] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: ie, no library for many hundreds of km's
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[12:27] <MichaelCunningham> you have an internet connection... use it
[12:27] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: thats bull it hasnt been proven incorrect
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[12:27] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: sorry it's only 56k free isp between 1am-8am
[12:27] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: im usually too tired to look up good crap
[12:27] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: so i just read the news and download the occasional driver
[12:28] <Freax> sigh
[12:28] <MichaelCunningham> then join an astronomy book club
[12:28] <stphrz> http://www.solarviews.com/eng/io.htm
[12:28] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: well i already subscribe to 'astronomy'
[12:28] <MichaelCunningham> not good enough
[12:28] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: sorry then, it's all i can afford
[12:29] <MichaelCunningham> do with what you've got
[12:29] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: subscription here for 12 issues is $120
[12:29] <ZooSpecimen> wow!
[12:29] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: $120 is my monthly allowance!
[12:29] <MichaelCunningham> search "Io" for more information when you get the time
[12:30] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: why dont you stop being an annoying prick and say that my theory was just a simple little idea instead of thrashing my fucking mind around
[12:30] <MichaelCunningham> it's a simple little idea
[12:30] <Freax> MichaelCunningham: exactly! thank you
[12:30] <Freax> =P
[12:30] <MichaelCunningham> :)
[12:30] * Nol nice movie
[12:31] <Freax> you didnt seem to give the same interrogation to ZooSpecimen when he specified about underwater volcano's at the south pole
[12:31] <ZooSpecimen> :)
[12:31] <MichaelCunningham> there's hundereds of underwater volcanes world wide
[12:32] <Freax> well of course
[12:32] <Nol> http://www.solarviews.com/cap/jup/viojup1.mpg
[12:32] <Freax> tell us something we dont already know
[12:32] <Nol> no   wrong
[12:32] <Freax> hehe
[12:32] <MichaelCunningham> that's why I didn't pursue it further
[12:32] <stphrz> freax: don't go there girlfriend
[12:32] <Freax> girlfriend?
[12:32] <Freax> im male
[12:32] <stphrz> bah
[12:33] <stphrz> figure of speech
[12:33] <Freax> okay
[12:33] <Freax> bitch
[12:33] <stphrz> :/
[12:33] <Freax> err
[12:33] <stphrz> um
[12:33] <Freax> uugh
[12:33] <stphrz> meh
[12:33] <Freax> this is getting sticky
[12:33] <Freax> yeah
[12:33] <Freax> meh
[12:33] <stphrz> don't go...
[12:33] <stphrz> there
[12:34] <Freax> i dont see why not MichaelCunningham seems to be a nice liveley chap
[12:34] <stphrz> k
[12:34] <Nol> http://www.solarviews.com/browse/jup/viojup1.mpg looks better
[12:34] <MichaelCunningham> my wife says I'm lively
[12:34] <Freax> ive handled worse
[12:35] <MichaelCunningham> I've cleaned up my act
[12:35] <MichaelCunningham> :)
[12:35] <Freax> but im too busy getting scanner drivers for debian
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[12:36] <busy-freax> ** I'M a d1rty Little BLACK bitch HURT ME!!! **
[12:36] <stphrz> ~2hrs30min ?
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[12:38] <Nolaaw> 2½ i think
[12:39] <Ogmios> whats is that crap about hollow earth in tt-watch
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[12:39] <CyberVVizz> busy, i think You need to switch to #givemexxx
[12:39] <busy-freax> oh naa
[12:39] <Nol> less than 2½ ...i think
[12:39] <stphrz> hollow earth?
[12:39] <busy-freax> im alright
[12:39] <MichaelCunningham> tell me about it! Hollow earth?
[12:39] <stphrz> wtf?
[12:39] <busy-freax> hollow earth?
[12:39] <MichaelCunningham> on tt-watch
[12:39] <busy-freax> is nol
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[12:40] <busy-freax> ahh k
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[12:40] <Keitazard> whoah
[12:40] <busy-freax> this is where it starts to get messy people
[12:41] <CyberVVizz> some scientist still pretends Earth is hollow in correlation with their brains
[12:41] <Keitazard> i was walking in very very dark forest and the wind was very high
[12:41] <busy-freax> anyone who cant handle fast typing 80+wpm or hard comments had better just listen in or leave
[12:41] * Nol says he has given the Call to the "zetans" about the subject "Hollow_Earth".
[12:41] <Keitazard> it was pretty scary
[12:41] * Nol is curious......they will react on it..
[12:41] <MichaelCunningham> I want to know what keeps all that mass from filling the hollow center.
[12:42] <busy-freax> gas? hehe
[12:42] <stphrz> the earth isn't hollow
[12:42] <stphrz> that's what stops it
[12:42] <stphrz> :p
[12:42] <busy-freax> no water
[12:42] <Nol> Well..
[12:42] <MichaelCunningham> hahaha!
[12:42] <busy-freax> =P
[12:42] <Nol> if you
[12:42] <obany> nol: and it already got answered
[12:42] <Nol> have an
[12:42] <busy-freax> how about gold! yes gold is what fills the centre of the earth
[12:43] <Ogmios> hi obany
[12:43] <Nol> black hole...
[12:43] <busy-freax> hi obany
[12:43] <jubjub963> a chewy center hmmm
[12:43] <busy-freax> supernova encircled by a black hole
[12:43] <MichaelCunningham> density too high for gold
[12:43] <CyberVVizz> nol, a black hole is the reverse of a sun
[12:43] <CyberVVizz> :-)
[12:43] <stphrz> wha?
[12:43] <busy-freax> always thought it was where a supernova goes bust and caves in on itself
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[12:43] <CyberVVizz> nobody, shall believe me, so i am happy :-)
[12:43] <MichaelCunningham> black hole = collapsed core of a star
[12:44] <busy-freax> and radiates all sorts of radiation that is fast enough to escape it's -gravity pull
[12:44] <CyberVVizz> energy transformates, it does not create or ends
[12:44] <Nol> The idea that the lava never reached the middle...through a force like that...
[12:44] <MichaelCunningham> i.e. singularity
[12:44] <CyberVVizz> when light implodes it has to bubble out elsewere
[12:44] <stphrz> speculation about black holes far exceeds any real knowledge about them
[12:44] <S7L> busy-freax: not exactly. The radiation is never 'fast enough'
[12:44] * Nol says but maybe it is silly......
[12:44] <busy-freax> well yeah
[12:44] <S7L> it is rather created outside the Hole and radiates to correct direction to get away.
[12:45] <busy-freax> thanks S7L =P
[12:45] <CyberVVizz> so it becomes a sun
[12:45] <MichaelCunningham> physics works right to the edge of the event horizon...
[12:45] <S7L> although Hawking warned to take this interpretation very literally
[12:45] <busy-freax> event horizon my favouritte movie of all time
[12:45] <MichaelCunningham> agter that quantum physics explains most of it
[12:45] <MichaelCunningham> after
[12:45] <busy-freax> event horizon was the best depiction of the massive force behind black holes for the masses to see
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[12:46] <busy-freax> not that you can see a black hole
[12:46] <CyberVVizz> well, current quantum physica is like a little baby in the forst
[12:46] <CyberVVizz> euh forest
[12:46] <Ogmios> http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/hollow-earth.html
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[12:46] <stphrz> bah
[12:46] <busy-freax> maybe black holes are the building blocks of space/time itself
[12:46] <CyberVVizz> I say always, if You can't understand the inside, how can You understand the outside :-))
[12:47] <S7L> busy-freax: expand. The statement means nothing as itself
[12:47] * stphrz thinks squat is known about black holes
[12:47] <busy-freax> just a second S7L
[12:47] <busy-freax> gathering data
[12:48] <busy-freax> well maybe the matter isnt destroyed at all but is pushed into some kind of sub-atomic level where it awaits for ignitation of some kind that produces the force that powers stars everywhere
[12:49] <stphrz> maybe
[12:49] <MichaelCunningham> maybe not
[12:49] <CyberVVizz> busy, do you known math ?
[12:49] <stphrz> or not
[12:49] <Beurling> QueenVee i come from time to time
[12:49] <MichaelCunningham> it will evporate over time
[12:49] <busy-freax> just remember there are quasars out there that spin at incredible speeds and have the mass of 8x the sun in the space of a few hundred km's
[12:50] <busy-freax> now that has to be some kind of sub-atomic interaction
[12:50] <S7L> busy-freax: why do you think Stars and blackholes are related at all?
[12:50] <CyberVVizz> well, i try to explain a thought how energy and mass relates
[12:50] <stphrz> since when are quasars black holes?
[12:50] <busy-freax> and black hole interference
[12:50] <MichaelCunningham> not necessaryly
[12:50] <MichaelCunningham> on the first part
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[12:50] <CyberVVizz> when you have the squareroot of -1 which plane do you have in math ?
[12:50] * busy-freax awaits his thrashing
[12:50] <S7L> stphrz: it's a standard physical theory -- as in, quasars must be of certain size, in scale of solar system, and yet yield tremendous energies
[12:50] <stphrz> I know!  let's let the zetas set us straight
[12:50] <busy-freax> CyberVVitch: i dont know maths im a year 10 secondary school student
[12:51] <MichaelCunningham> quasars are thought to be massive black holes ingesting large dust clouds
[12:51] <stphrz> zetas know everything and are never wrong
[12:51] <S7L> stphrz: it seems that black holes would fit the description as the energy source. I do not know the latest word on it.
[12:51] <CyberVVizz> yes, they known almost everything on their level
[12:51] <MichaelCunningham> hahaha!
[12:51] <Mike-O> The Z's would be the last to say that
[12:51] <MichaelCunningham> no an energy source
[12:51] <MichaelCunningham> not
[12:51] <CyberVVizz> anyway they are much smarter as Earth Science
[12:51] <stphrz> </end>sarcasm
[12:52] <MichaelCunningham> they radiate a large amount of energy
[12:52] <Mike-O> I wish they could help me with my taxe
[12:52] <Mike-O> . . . taxes
[12:52] <CyberVVizz> or You will be fif
[12:52] <CyberVVizz> or You will be fiff
[12:52] <CyberVVizz> euh
[12:52] <CyberVVizz> fifi
[12:52] <MichaelCunningham> THAT would be a break through!
[12:52] <busy-freax> hehe
[12:52] <S7L> MichaelCunningham: I was perhaps being a bit imprecise. I meant that matter being sucked into a black hole is often given as a possible cause of the tremendous radiation detected from quasars.
[12:52] <stphrz> Mike-0: not likely.  They don't believe in the concept of zero
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[12:52] <Mike-O> H&R Zeta
[12:52] <MichaelCunningham> your are correct S7L
[12:53] <Mike-O> Funny . . . the ancient Romans didn't use zero, either
[12:53] <busy-freax> hey where the fuck did my credit go
[12:53] <MichaelCunningham> IRS doesn't believe in zero either
[12:53] <jubjub963> heh
[12:53] <Mike-O> Good one, MC
[12:53] <CyberVVizz> Well, how can You have zero if Einstein made a statement like Energy transforms, and has to begin nor end ?
[12:53] <stphrz> zero has validity as a counting number
[12:53] <S7L> I haven't actually seen the Nancy statement that Zetas do not use zero in their maths in that form.
[12:54] <stphrz> maybe not as a real number
[12:54] <MichaelCunningham> she stated it on sci.astro
[12:54] <stphrz> err that didn't come out right
[12:54] <S7L> I saw something like 'if human physics need zero in order to work, then there is something wrong with it, such as zero pressure, zero temperature, etc.' but I think that's not the case
[12:54] <S7L> so the statement can be dismissed
[12:54] <Mike-O> I don't think Buckminster Fuller had much use for zero, either
[12:54] <busy-freax> this conversation went from physics to fucking tax reforms within 2mins!!!
[12:54] <MichaelCunningham> physics demands a zero
[12:54] <stphrz> not really
[12:54] <MichaelCunningham> all because of a ZERO!
[12:54] <CyberVVizz> no :-) You can transform all formula's to formula's without zero, that's prouven
[12:54] <busy-freax> hehe =P
[12:55] <MichaelCunningham> haven't seen one yet Cyber
[12:55] <stphrz> + c
[12:55] <Mike-O> He said something to the effect that REAL math is based on tangible reality, of which zero has none.
[12:55] <CyberVVizz> well, math is long time ago either, but I remember the quote from the Prof
[12:55] <MichaelCunningham> you mean HIS version of math
[12:55] <stphrz> 2 - 2 = ?
[12:55] <CyberVVizz> ONE nothing :-)
[12:55] <CyberVVizz> :-))
[12:56] <stphrz> shut up!
[12:56] <stphrz> :)
[12:56] <CyberVVizz> gotcha
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[12:56] <MichaelCunningham> or when a particle is at rest? energy is?
[12:56] <CyberVVitch> tee hee :p
[12:56] <Mike-O> I believe it was the Egyptians who introduced the concept of zero to the Romans.
[12:56] <stphrz> one nothing - one nothing = ?
[12:56] <CyberVVizz> o nooo MichaelC, the particle is in another energy plane
[12:56] <Mike-O> It was called "the cypher"'
[12:56] <MichaelCunningham> and the Romans were never the same
[12:56] <busy-freax> you're all a bunch of idiots
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[12:57] <busy-freax> go back to your jobs
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[12:57] <CyberVVizz> I don't have a job :-))
[12:57] <stphrz> obviously
[12:57] <CyberVVizz> i have my own company :-)
[12:57] <MichaelCunningham> I'm on Labor Day vacation
[12:57] <stphrz> i don't work on saturdays
[12:57] <S7L> CyberVVizz: particles do not exist on 'complex plane'. It's a mathematical abstraction for descriptions, so view it as such
[12:57] <Mike-O> In the 19th century, a standard question to a schoolboy was "have you learned your cyphers?", meaning, "are you learning math?"
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[12:58] <Nol> hi captain
[12:58] <captain_nibiru> hello
[12:58] <Nol> hello
[12:58] <CyberVVizz> yes, that's the word S7L, the complex plane, well that's the base understanding between energy plane and mass plane
[12:58] <Nol> everything ok on nibiru?
[12:58] <MichaelCunningham> haven't seen it yet
[12:58] <Mike-O> I haven't read Buckminster Fuller for a while though. Some of his stuff can fry your brain cells.
[12:59] <Mike-O> The Zetas call him a Star Child
[12:59] <BC> algore?
[12:59] <MichaelCunningham> LOL!
[12:59] <CyberVVizz> take the inverse function of y=x*x You have y=squareroot(x) ending in 0, but goes furhter in the complex plane :-)
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[12:59] <Mike-O> Didn't he invent al-gor-ithms? Ha ha.
[12:59] <MichaelCunningham> only the internet
[12:59] <CyberVVizz> an analogy to say, the mass becomes energy
[13:00] <S7L> CyberVVizz: ugh, your words are highly garbled
[13:00] <stphrz> Mike-O: no he invented the internet
[13:00] <CyberVVizz> i known i think in 0001100 not words :-))
[13:00] <Mike-O> Gore really tore into Bush recently in an opinion piece in the New York Times.
[13:00] <S7L> the inverse function is y = ±sqrt(x) and has nothing to do with complex plane
[13:00] <MichaelCunningham> I prefer hexadecimal
[13:00] <Nol> hehe lol!
[13:01] <S7L> you really wanted to talk about square root of negative values. They indeed go into the complex plane.
[13:01] <CyberVVizz> i prefer the base
[13:01] <CyberVVizz> yes, S7L, compare the curves, you have two times the same curve
[13:01] <S7L> or, if you want to look at equation y = x² ...
[13:02] <ZooSpecimen> sorry QueenVee i'm listening...
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[13:02] <S7L> if you allow x to have also complex values, then y can go negative, yes.
[13:02] <MichaelCunningham> yes
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[13:02] <Mike-O> Bush was probably too busy chomping down chili dogs at the Texas ranch, looking for a third-world country to declare war upon.
[13:02] <MichaelCunningham> chili dogs.... hungry
[13:02] <stphrz> mmmmm pork fat
[13:02] <CyberVVizz> but when You look in the Real Value plane, You see only the half of the curve y=squareroot(x)
[13:03] <CyberVVizz> Si zero is some kind as 'transforming point' of the curve
[13:03] <S7L> CyberVVizz: I shrug. It doesn't really matter what you call it. I'd call it the fixed point, since at 0, x = f(x).
[13:04] <Nol> ?
[13:04] <S7L> but I'd caution against assigning mystical properties to complex numbers.
[13:04] <S7L> there's nothing mystical about them.
[13:04] <CyberVVizz> well i call it in the realplane a fixed point, and in the complex plane a ghost point :-)
[13:04] <stphrz> ghosts!
[13:04] <CyberVVizz> well it is only mystical if You understands math correlates with Old Science
[13:04] <S7L> except that they perhaps follow slightly different rules than strictly real numbers.
[13:05] <S7L> (in some vague manner of speaking)
[13:05] <stphrz> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[13:05] <MichaelCunningham> In reference to Bush...
[13:05] <CyberVVizz> but what me surprise is the discussion math and zeta
[13:05] <MichaelCunningham> I would think it would be wise NOT to invade at this time...
[13:05] <MichaelCunningham> let them develope the bomb
[13:05] <stphrz> there will be no invasion
[13:06] <CyberVVizz> seems they use formula's with non-equi.. but we have those too, like y>x+2
[13:06] <jubjub963> yah, right now Saddam has no incentive to use WMD's , but if we invade, he'll do whatever he wants
[13:06] <MichaelCunningham> if they use it on Israel, Bagdad won't be left standing within 24 hrs
[13:06] <stphrz> but they won't
[13:06] <MichaelCunningham> and we won't have to lift a finger!
[13:06] <CyberVVizz> Well, i am sure if Irak is attacked the USA will be very surprised
[13:06] <captain_nibiru> yup, i agree, hum.......
[13:07] <Mike-O> I should refer to Al as PRESIDENT Gore
[13:07] <MichaelCunningham> why?
[13:07] <CyberVVizz> You can knock one time a leader, not two times or he is a fool
[13:07] * Nol :he folks give pls a little "hi" to mesure how many is real on line...
[13:07] * Nol :he folks give pls a little "hi" to mesure how many is real on line...
[13:07] <Nol> hi
[13:07] <stphrz> hi
[13:07] <MichaelCunningham> hi
[13:07] <CyberVVizz> and remember, when the States falls, Mister Police is gone
[13:07] <jubjub963> hi
[13:07] <STO_WARRIOR> hello
[13:07] <captain_nibiru> hi
[13:07] <MichaelCunningham> everyone else is asleep
[13:08] <CyberVVizz> hi hoi hello
[13:08] <Mike-O> I got a chuckle when Israel said this week they'd support Bush in a strike against Iraq
[13:08] <ZooSpecimen> ahoy
[13:08] <captain_nibiru> im in yahoo also
[13:08] <stphrz> Israel should learn to shut up
[13:08] <obany> well i don't have much time to go into that one now you know
[13:08] <BC> hi
[13:08] <CyberVVizz> well, soom or later we have strubbles.  Electric/Hydrogen cars does not use so much Oil
[13:08] <stphrz> about this kinda stuff
[13:08] <MichaelCunningham> If Iraq wants to commit suicide, let them launch a weapon against Israel
[13:09] <stphrz> bah
[13:09] <CyberVVizz> I think they will rather attack USA
[13:09] <Mike-O> This week Ford dropped plans for their electric car, I believe.
[13:09] <MichaelCunningham> we're too far away
[13:09] <CyberVVizz> why do so much people still believe in borders ?
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[13:09] <Mike-O> Yep, Israel probably has more nukes than Russia
[13:09] <MichaelCunningham> probably does
[13:09] <ZooSpecimen> caus were animals
[13:09] <stphrz> Mike-O: WRONG
[13:09] <BC> i am sick of hearing abou israel
[13:09] <CyberVVizz> after 5 years, maybe now, You have a nuke in a suitcase
[13:10] <MichaelCunningham> not from Iraq
[13:10] <CyberVVizz> no ? and what about virusses ?  In our stupid little army we had already an agens to kill people around 100 miles in 24 hours !
[13:10] <MichaelCunningham> besides, they weapon would probably denotate on the launch pad
[13:11] <CyberVVizz> just a little bottle
[13:11] <ZooSpecimen> how many nuke plants does Iran have now ?
[13:11] <MichaelCunningham> only one
[13:11] <CyberVVizz> nukes are ridiculus arms.  They are to big to hide
[13:11] <MichaelCunningham> but it only works half the time
[13:12] <Nol> nick Nolaaw
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[13:12] <MichaelCunningham> viruses are not the best weapon
[13:12] <Keitazard> when is the session gonna begin? It's 23:12 here in Finland
[13:12] <MichaelCunningham> neither is chemical agents
[13:12] <S7L> Keitazard: in less than 2 hours. Be patient.
[13:12] <CyberVVizz> I knwon one thing, we are living in a 'high educated' society, and I am sure after 5 years a schoolboy can make chemical/biological arms
[13:13] <MichaelCunningham> would effect only a local area, if that
[13:13] <MichaelCunningham> not educted either
[13:13] <ZooSpecimen> if i iraq ever gets the Bomb it will be from Iran
[13:13] <MichaelCunningham> technolocial society
[13:13] <stphrz> wha?
[13:13] <CyberVVizz> and if they use animals to transport it ?  Who says they don't use musquitto's etc...
[13:14] <MichaelCunningham> educted means smart enough NOT to use weapons of terror
[13:14] <CyberVVizz> yes, and I am santa claus
[13:14] <CyberVVizz> power and money is still the suprime god for 90% of people
[13:14] <MichaelCunningham> Fore Christmas...
[13:14] <MichaelCunningham> try 99%
[13:14] <ZooSpecimen> .9
[13:14] <CyberVVizz> mmm, 99,999 ?
[13:15] <MichaelCunningham> agreed
[13:15] <CyberVVizz> :-)
[13:15] <ZooSpecimen> :)
[13:15] <Keitazard> to me money is 100% god :D
[13:15] <CyberVVizz> so kiss your god, not a female anymore :-)
[13:15] <jubjub963> it has god written on it, good enough for me
[13:15] <MichaelCunningham> depends on which country you're from
[13:16] <CyberVVizz> evil wares always the clothes of a saint...
[13:16] <Keitazard> ok how many of you thinks that religions are bullshit?
[13:16] <MichaelCunningham> me
[13:16] <Keitazard> me
[13:16] * jubjub963 raises hand
[13:16] <BC> not me...
[13:16] <CyberVVizz> i don't think it is, i state it is
[13:16] <Keitazard> hmm
[13:16] <MichaelCunningham> organized religion that is
[13:16] <jubjub963> yes
[13:17] <CyberVVizz> religion is the fruit of people to create distinction, or to create a power mechanism
[13:17] <CyberVVizz> it's the tower of babel
[13:17] <Keitazard> there must be some reason why people want to believe in such stupid things...
[13:17] <BC> Jesus wasnt stupid was he?
[13:17] <CyberVVizz> no, he did not have a religion neither
[13:17] <BC> sure He did...
[13:17] <stphrz> jesus was jewish
[13:17] <Keitazard> yep
[13:17] <BC> lol
[13:17] <CyberVVizz> forced
[13:17] <MichaelCunningham> he has a personal experience with his "god"
[13:18] <Keitazard> Jesus wanted He's own god :D
[13:18] <BC> well, sooner or later we will all die.. hope we find out ...
[13:18] <CyberVVizz> when You are baby or teen you can not say 'stay of my dicky'
[13:18] <MichaelCunningham> ?
[13:18] <ZooSpecimen> religion is 80% bull
[13:18] <MichaelCunningham> pretty much
[13:18] <CyberVVizz> bc, don't be afraid, there is live after dead
[13:18] <STO_WARRIOR> i would like to put the god of the bible on trial for crimes against humanity and find him guilty and banish him once and for all
[13:18] <stphrz> jesus was either a nut, a liar, or exactly who he said he was
[13:19] <vamp> there is life after death
[13:19] <MichaelCunningham> I was going to be a Southern Baptist minister at one time
[13:19] <vamp> weather you like it or not
[13:19] <Keitazard> i think buddhas are better than other religions
[13:19] <vamp> sure are
[13:19] <CyberVVizz> most does not known who jesus was, neither his colour of his hairs
[13:19] <STO_WARRIOR> spirituality is the key
[13:19] <CyberVVizz> no-one is better as another
[13:19] <vamp> jesus, mohammed and buddha, all good
[13:19] <MichaelCunningham> changed my mind when I went to Vietnam
[13:19] <obany> budhism is interresting.. And then budhism is more a life philsophy
[13:20] <vamp> infact
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[13:20] <vamp> those who don't know mohammed was arabic prophet like jesus for christmas
[13:20] <Keitazard> do buddhas have god?
[13:20] <vamp> in bible he goes to heaven
[13:20] <vamp> "on a rock"
[13:20] <ZooSpecimen> meditation was left out of western religion ... should be in there.
[13:20] <vamp> that can be seens sometimes floating in sky
[13:20] <STO_WARRIOR> religion is evil...period
[13:20] <MichaelCunningham> buddist do not have "gods"
[13:21] <STO_WARRIOR> buddist are in a hurry to commit non existance
[13:21] <Keitazard> that's why buddist are better
[13:21] <CyberVVizz> well Christians do not have Aliens either and the book of Enoch describes very closely what we would describe as Aliens
[13:21] <STO_WARRIOR> they are in a hurry to swim upstream so to speak and get back to where they came from
[13:21] <MichaelCunningham> kinda like that
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[13:22] <MichaelCunningham> but they're no better since they're organized now
[13:22] <CyberVVizz> but of course that book is stripped away from the Holy Raped book
[13:22] <STO_WARRIOR> i on the other hand want to take my time
[13:22] <vamp> what holy raped book
[13:22] <vamp> ?
[13:22] <ZooSpecimen> yes in gensis it was very clear we were visited by others
[13:22] <Keitazard> btw. Did you guys know that Jesus did not born in christmas
[13:22] <MichaelCunningham> funny but I never got that from Genisis
[13:22] <CyberVVizz> they call it bible :-)
[13:22] <STO_WARRIOR> wasnt he born in september?
[13:23] <Keitazard> no
[13:23] <vamp> you prolly must have a compressed bible
[13:23] <vamp> ;]
[13:23] <vamp> whre everything is changed by christians
[13:23] <ZooSpecimen> taking a look...sec...
[13:23] <MichaelCunningham> hahaha!
[13:23] <CyberVVizz> :-) i have an armor supporting bible :-))
[13:23] <vamp> changed to customize the religion to make it powerful
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[13:23] <CyberVVizz> yes
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[13:23] <vamp> i wish i could only put my hands on original bible
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[13:23] <vamp> but only JEWS possessed it
[13:23] <Keitazard> no one actually knows when he was born. The day of he's birth has actually been the day of sun or something like that...
[13:23] <CyberVVizz> people turns always a system to a power system
[13:23] <vamp> god damn jews,
[13:24] <vamp> jew do.
[13:24] <CyberVVizz> no
[13:24] <MichaelCunningham> organized religion teaches you want it wants you to believe
[13:24] <wus7l> Keitazard: there was astronomical suggestion for date of birth. That is, I think, how some people derived a date, which I think was in September
[13:24] <STO_WARRIOR> i think we have all this bullshit occurring on this planet because of and not in spite of religion
[13:24] <wus7l> Of course, it wouldn't need to matter a thing
[13:24] <vamp> theres always an astronomical suggestion
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[13:25] <MichaelCunningham> agreed STO
[13:25] <CyberVVizz> the only source for the ancient red lead can be found in the Veda's or even much, much earlier in the atlantis/lemuria/mu time
[13:25] <Keitazard> well i send Jesus to hell :D i just want presents
[13:25] <vamp> religion doesn't teach you anything , other than to worship church leaders
[13:25] <CyberVVizz> once there was one red lead, and it diverted to several leads, including Islam
[13:25] <vamp> the only way you learn the real spiritual self is by doing it alone
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[13:25] <vamp> then you can discover the whole realm of after life
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[13:25] <vamp> without dying
[13:25] <S7L> vamp, not necessarily. One could conceiveably have a guiding hand from someone
[13:25] <CyberVVizz> true vamp, the book is in your heart
[13:25] <vamp> yuppers.
[13:26] <vamp> infact
[13:26] <S7L> but, almost certainly not in form of western organized religion
[13:26] <Keitazard> Here is a good example from one movie...
[13:26] <CyberVVizz> books are only tools
[13:26] <vamp> i have to make note
[13:26] <MichaelCunningham> religion should be at a personal level
[13:26] <vamp> IF
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[13:26] <vamp> definition of god is a force beyond us,
[13:26] <vamp> or whatever youc all it
[13:26] <vamp> then the only thing that fits god on this planet to almost every mature person is love
[13:26] <Keitazard> DO you guys love your parents? If so then prove it. The same problem is with religions....
[13:26] <vamp> because theres nothing more powerful than love
[13:26] <MichaelCunningham> exactly... my god may not be the same as yours
[13:26] <uku> Micheal, are you well biblically well read?
[13:27] * S7L just doesn't believe in "external God".
[13:27] <vamp> that can happen
[13:27] <vamp> and lot of religions and cults actually believe
[13:27] <MichaelCunningham> I should hope uku
[13:27] <vamp> love is only god, and god is only love
[13:27] <CyberVVizz> :-)) well, if god is on the outside, who is on the inside ?
[13:27] <vamp> not a person, but a force
[13:27] <S7L> The only thing that matters for me is myself and other people. And in lesser extent, the rest of the biosphere and universe. But majorly, people.
[13:27] <STO_WARRIOR> how about common sense, since it aint all that common anymore
[13:27] <jubjub963> if we pick the wrong god , we're just pissing him off more and more every day,  
[13:27] <vamp> the god is everywhere
[13:27] <CyberVVizz> well, you are living IN God
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[13:27] <vamp> yes
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[13:28] <CyberVVizz> so it isn't on the far outside of Universe :-),
[13:28] <vamp> i think of it as some balance in the universe
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[13:28] <vamp> positive and negative where love is positive makes everything good and happy
[13:28] * S7L thinks of the G=T balance in the universe
[13:28] <vamp> and evil as negative
[13:28] <S7L> Gee, I'm gonna be the next George Hammond
[13:28] <CyberVVizz> evil does not exists, if God is everywere, so were is evil ?
[13:29] <Keitazard> where is hell?
[13:29] <CyberVVizz> i mean as identity
[13:29] <vamp> evil is everything thats not god
[13:29] <CyberVVizz> hell is the lower energy planes
[13:29] <vamp> you don't show love
[13:29] <uku> Michael, how, if any, does PX fall in to place biblically?
[13:29] <vamp> meaning respect, compassion
[13:29] <vamp> then youa re showing evil
[13:29] <CyberVVizz> but hell can be heaven for some souls
[13:29] <idol_harobed> Evil is lack of good, like dark is lack of light.  No opposing force.
[13:29] <MichaelCunningham> God is also evil since he created evil
[13:29] <vamp> yea
[13:29] <MichaelCunningham> evil balances good
[13:29] <uku> God is good
[13:29] <uku> :)
[13:29] <CyberVVizz> and lack of light is inversed light
[13:29] <vamp> yea
[13:29] <S7L> vamp: what about the remarkable idea that even evil things were part of God? They ceratinly are part of the human nature. We can only cultivate the good, if we want to live in a pleasant place.
[13:29] <idol_harobed> oh yeah
[13:30] <idol_harobed> :D
[13:30] <vamp> thats what happens to you as in body
[13:30] <vamp> if you know what psychic energy system is
[13:30] <uku> God is love...
[13:30] <uku> :)
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[13:30] <vamp> when you are becoming bad you are blocking
[13:30] * S7L sees no reason to draw any kind of distinctions at all.
[13:30] <vamp> the energy from flowing in you
[13:30] <uku> hate is evil....
[13:30] <uku> :(
[13:30] <vamp> and all that there is , is black light
[13:30] <vamp> ive seent hat
[13:30] <Nol> Hi PoleShift
[13:30] <CyberVVizz> hate is just a malluse of energy
[13:30] <MichaelCunningham> kinda hard to believe God is compassionate letting millions of children starve every year
[13:30] <S7L> Oh no, PoleShift already. And it's only 2002!
[13:30] <CyberVVizz> they have karma
[13:30] <PoleShift> greetings
[13:31] <CyberVVizz> Bill Gates will be their one day
[13:31] <vamp> yes
[13:31] <uku> its man that lets the starving happen
[13:31] <Nol> greetings back
[13:31] <vamp> you do bad in past life
[13:31] <S7L> MichaelCunningham: if God is in us, then the starvation is a waking call for us. That is how I like to think
[13:31] <vamp> you have a bad life this life
[13:31] <PoleShift> no, mid-May as we all know, S7L
[13:31] <stphrz> apathy is the opposite of love.  not hate
[13:31] <S7L> because it puts us as responsible, and us in the place of God
[13:31] <S7L> and that is what I observe
[13:31] <MichaelCunningham> it all depends on what YOUR belief is
[13:31] <CyberVVizz> but it does not mean we do not need to help them
[13:31] <MichaelCunningham> if I don't like your believe or you don't like mine....
[13:31] <CyberVVizz> I agree Michael, everybody has his own truth
[13:31] <idol_harobed> Dark is faster than light.  When you close a drawer, the dark is already inside, while light is kept outside. :-)))
[13:31] <MichaelCunningham> that's haw wars start
[13:32] <uku> you do not speak from the bible Micheal
[13:32] <MichaelCunningham> that's how war starts
[13:32] <uku> do not represent it
[13:32] <CyberVVizz> yes, if You respect each other visions, you start to create harmony
[13:32] * S7L simply has a "logical religion".
[13:32] <MichaelCunningham> so what uku
[13:32] <stphrz> truth belongs to itself.  it is worthless if everyone can claim it as his own
[13:33] <uku> you are deceiving in saying that god is evil
[13:33] <MichaelCunningham> I believe in MY god, not yours
[13:33] <vamp> god is not evil you create the evil
[13:33] <CyberVVizz> what You see as evil is because you see it as evil
[13:33] <MichaelCunningham> God created evil
[13:33] <vamp> well, god isn't really what god is, it is far beyond what we can explain, so we can only worship it as god
[13:33] <uku> he did not create evil
[13:33] <CyberVVizz> well uku, i am very happy you known Him so much
[13:33] <PoleShift> GOD creates all
[13:33] <MichaelCunningham> then God did not create everything?
[13:33] <STO_WARRIOR> when we abandon stupid belief system, we finally grow up as a species
[13:34] <uku> evil was created by the ones who opposed god
[13:34] <MichaelCunningham> so there are other Gods?
[13:34] <vamp> WELL i wonder
[13:34] <CyberVVizz> like everybody always says like god is that, and jesus is that and koran is that and ....
[13:34] <stphrz> the ones who opposed god were created by god
[13:34] <vamp> IF adam and eve were really created by dem aliens
[13:34] <uku> its no wonder why you did not become a southern baptist minister
[13:34] <vamp> then adam really started evil
[13:34] <CyberVVizz> sure, Archangel Michael exists
[13:34] <vamp> a sin
[13:34] <stphrz> bah
[13:34] <MichaelCunningham> MY god does things for a purpose... an end purpose
[13:35] <vamp> but then again, what would be the devilish snake
[13:35] <uku> your god is not the god of the bible
[13:35] <CyberVVizz> the snake was a holy symbol, beware :-)
[13:35] <uku> dont say it is
[13:35] <PoleShift> all "others" are the ONE'S children
[13:35] <MichaelCunningham> that's obvious
[13:35] <stphrz> hrm
[13:35] <ZooSpecimen> MichaelCunningham: genesis 6:4 they talking about aliens?
[13:35] <MichaelCunningham> no
[13:35] <CyberVVizz> Mose was using a snake to cure his people
[13:36] <vamp> moses?
[13:36] <CyberVVizz> the copper snake, take your books :-))
[13:36] <ZooSpecimen> the nephilim
[13:36] <vamp> im talking about the first one
[13:36] <CyberVVizz> the staff of Hermes, two snakes !
[13:36] <vamp> in the paradise that god adam to eat the apple
[13:36] <MichaelCunningham> nope
[13:36] <MichaelCunningham> you're using the King James version I take it?
[13:37] <uku> you should know what path you are on if you had studied the bible that well
[13:37] <ZooSpecimen> revised standard
[13:37] <MichaelCunningham> uku, you mind your own religion and leave mine alone
[13:37] <CyberVVizz> well, that story of Eden ?  Does the snake lead the Human to knowledge, out of slavery from the CREATOR GOD, sent by a Higher God (Christos) or was it an evil think ?
[13:37] <MichaelCunningham> ok Zoo
[13:37] <Keitazard> why did adam only think about some stupid apple if he had a naked women in front of him?
[13:37] <uku> then dont preach your version and pretend to know the bible
[13:37] <ZooSpecimen> not religious
[13:38] <MichaelCunningham> there IS no defined and set reason behind the bible...
[13:38] <CyberVVizz> in the Nag Hammadi scriptures it states two gods.  A creator one, who locks souls to matter and a Divine One, leading people to Knwoledge and Freedom
[13:38] <idol_harobed> High thoughts....
[13:38] <vamp> maybe he was gay
[13:38] <MichaelCunningham> it's not in black and white...
[13:38] <ZooSpecimen> true just a curiosity i came across
[13:38] <MichaelCunningham> it is there only to help YOU form your own personal belief
[13:38] <CyberVVizz> and, Eden, even Genisis was NOT the first chapter in Bible
[13:38] <Keitazard> haha so must it be! adam was gay
[13:39] <stphrz> wow
[13:39] <vamp> anyways , you can mubble forever about who god is,and plotting your role in religion
[13:39] <CyberVVizz> well, in Eden, who made children with Eve ?
[13:39] <vamp> thats a bad approach
[13:39] <Keitazard> bunny :D
[13:39] <MichaelCunningham> don't forget, most of the context was taken from the Dead Sea scrolls and translated
[13:39] <vamp> to learn the good
[13:39] <CyberVVizz> Adam started, and further ?
[13:39] <vamp> and real happiness you must discover divine yourself
[13:39] <CyberVVizz> yes, indeed Michael
[13:40] <MichaelCunningham> to what purpose they were translated, we'll never know
[13:40] <CyberVVizz> Like I say, Genisis was not the first book
[13:40] <vamp> it was translated wrong
[13:40] <vamp> a lot of it .
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[13:40] <vamp> the jews, like i said
[13:40] <Keitazard> did adam and eve ever fuck? :D
[13:40] <vamp> they messedu p the wholething
[13:40] * Nol is now known as Vegan
[13:40] <CyberVVizz> I think Adam used his snake
[13:40] <vamp> keitazard wants the video tape
[13:40] <vamp> maybe ask the zetas
[13:40] <MichaelCunningham> it's suffered a number of revisions since then
[13:40] <Keitazard> hehe
[13:40] <ZooSpecimen> thats why i say 80% is most likely bull
[13:41] <MichaelCunningham> not to mention being handed to the organized religions also
[13:41] <Keitazard> oh man I'm getting really sleepy...
[13:41] <MichaelCunningham> they in turn splinted the initial religion to their own beliefs
[13:41] <idol_harobed> Language barriers...
[13:41] <CyberVVizz> no, my vision of Eden is clear.  That 'god' was an alien and the paradise was a startup project from other starsystems
[13:41] <Keitazard> 23:40 here
[13:41] <jubjub963> the original spam... make money one night a week!
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[13:41] <jubjub963> err morning
[13:41] <idol_harobed> 17:40
[13:42] <MichaelCunningham> 1:40 pm
[13:42] <CyberVVizz> in the book of Enoch You see the 'angels' are abusing the children of Eve
[13:42] <idol_harobed> :)
[13:42] <CyberVVizz> and afterwards You have the 'fallen angels'
[13:42] <vamp> ok
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[13:42] <MichaelCunningham> then you really have to ask yourself... who created God?
[13:42] <CyberVVizz> ok
[13:42] <Keitazard> ok guys i have to pp now :)
[13:42] <vamp> lets just start arguging now so done with it
[13:42] <vamp> "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD"
[13:43] <stphrz> MichaelCunningham: god always was
[13:43] <Keitazard> vamp, there is no spoo.... god   :D
[13:43] <idol_harobed> Childish talk: "My dad is taller than yours."
[13:43] <MichaelCunningham> only from the translation
[13:43] <CyberVVizz> we do not argue, we debate :-) - Michael, You can turn it otherwise.  Why should something be created and destructed, it can be there all the time
[13:43] <vamp> just
[13:43] <vamp> stop searching for what you 'cant find
[13:43] <vamp> and make yourself a god of yourself
[13:43] <MichaelCunningham> are you sure?
[13:44] <vamp> and you will find happiness
[13:44] <CyberVVizz> time is a creation of a limited brain
[13:44] <vamp> time has no meaning
[13:44] <vamp> in the astral plane
[13:44] <MichaelCunningham> time is a dimension
[13:44] <Keitazard> time sukz
[13:44] <vamp> i'm a metaphysician
[13:44] <MichaelCunningham> without it the universe would not have come into itself
[13:44] <vamp> when you get out of your body
[13:44] <stphrz> the universe is a collection of informational events
[13:44] <CyberVVizz> if energy can not start nor ends, so there are things that exists all the time
[13:44] <vamp> there isno time nor there is distance
[13:45] <ZooSpecimen> HEY, we are supposed to emotional beings! stop all this thinking stuff!
[13:45] <S7L> vamp: but is your metaphysics intended to discover stuff about physics?
[13:45] <vamp> you are everywhere and everytime.
[13:45] <vamp> no
[13:45] <stphrz> just like virtual reality
[13:45] <vamp> metaphysics is beyond what actual science can't perceive
[13:45] <STO_WARRIOR> everyone, free your mind and the rest will follow
[13:45] <CyberVVizz> the universe is only a manifestation of what was behind the universe
[13:45] <vamp> it exists, at a level it cannot be measuared
[13:45] <vamp> nor it can be researched
[13:45] <CyberVVizz> complex plane versus real plane
[13:45] <MichaelCunningham> now we're back to cosmology
[13:45] <vamp> yes a manifestation
[13:46] <vamp> everything is created by a will
[13:46] <vamp> around us
[13:46] <CyberVVizz> so it was behind the scene
[13:46] <MichaelCunningham> full circle
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[13:46] <stphrz> magic is real
[13:46] <vamp> the univerese has enough materialism, to create
[13:46] <CyberVVizz> anyway, if You was clearvoyant, you would not have that discussion :-)))
[13:46] <vamp> anything we humans want
[13:46] <vamp> the only limitation is our own imaggination
[13:46] <vamp> and comprehension
[13:46] <CyberVVizz> or thinking :-)
[13:46] <Vegan> ________________ Hi  CookN____________________________________________
[13:46] <vamp> but basically, i already proven it to myself
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[13:46] <ZooSpecimen> the earth is carried by a huge turtle supported by for elephants nuff said ;)
[13:47] <vamp> want something really abd, it has to happen
[13:47] <vamp> love, and will power are strongest forces
[13:47] <Zetapal> What is of mind, is not magic... and  what is magic, is not of mind. ( A Course in Miracles}  Hello, everyone :)
[13:47] <ZooSpecimen> self doubt is the root of fear
[13:48] <vamp> it's not a course of mircles
[13:48] * Vegan is now known as Nol
[13:48] * Looking up jubjub963 user info...
[13:48] <vamp> magic is explained
[13:48] <S7L> self doubt is the sign of sanity...
[13:48] <CyberVVizz> yes, it's a course in surviving :-))
[13:48] <Nol> hehe
[13:48] <vamp> but it all exists at spiritual level that our science
[13:48] <vamp> can only dream to research so they hide it from us
[13:48] * Looking up captain_nibiru user info...
[13:48] <vamp> like
[13:48] <stphrz> magic is like looking up something in google
[13:48] <stphrz> key word
[13:48] <vamp> hollistic healing
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[13:48] <stphrz> word of power
[13:48] <vamp> yea and chants
[13:48] <vamp> words are things
[13:48] <vamp> words are powerful
[13:48] <CyberVVizz> how many of You did buy a van already ?
[13:49] <vamp> a van?
[13:49] <vamp> a hummer 2
[13:49] <CyberVVizz> :-))
[13:49] <stphrz> the universe is associative in nature
[13:49] <vamp> but not because of some zeta shit
[13:49] <vamp> just to brag
[13:49] <vamp> ;D
[13:49] <CyberVVizz> euh caravan
[13:49] <Keitazard> oh man i think I'm gonna go sleep now
[13:49] <Sapphire> I will convert to believing the Zetas, if I am granted a super-power.  Like xray vision, or water-breathing.
[13:49] <Keitazard> too tired
[13:49] <S7L> vamp: there is no indication that one's wanting something actually caused some metaphysical force to make it happen
[13:49] * S7L would go for x-ray, must be more interesting
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[13:50] <MichaelCunningham> the H2 are NICE!
[13:50] <vamp> you can do
[13:50] <vamp> anything
[13:50] <vamp> just about anything
[13:50] <vamp> its just how well you believe you can do it
[13:50] <stphrz> time is something the human mind percieves as it tranverses associations
[13:50] <S7L> not exactly
[13:50] <Jurian> ugh
[13:50] <vamp> but , youcan see ghosts, you ca talk to spirits and your own guides
[13:50] <Jurian> vamp: I want to fly
[13:50] <vamp> you can see the energy
[13:50] <Keitazard> good night
[13:50] <S7L> I do not think I can fly, so I won't jump off a cliff
[13:50] <vamp> you can
[13:50] <CyberVVizz> does someone see ghost :-)
[13:50] <vamp> people done it
[13:50] <S7L> regardless of what I believe. I just don't think simply force of belief transforms the physical reality
[13:51] <vamp> al ot of people see them
[13:51] <S7L> that is where I say you are dead wrong, vamp.
[13:51] <stphrz> vamp: only if you know the key word
[13:51] <vamp> i'm sorry but zeta talk did not explain
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[13:51] <idol_harobed> We are not ready to have such knowledge.  We're not mature enough.  God is like a father who only let his son to drive his car only when he demonstrates capable of.
[13:51] <Jurian> you need help :p
[13:51] <vamp> the psychic energy system in a physical body
[13:51] <Jurian> people cannot fly
[13:51] <vamp> lol
[13:51] <vamp> you only think so
[13:51] <Jurian> I know so
[13:51] <CyberVVizz> they can, but they believe they can't
[13:51] <vamp> because you ahvent seen anyone doing it
[13:51] <stphrz> if someone knows the key word to fly they can
[13:51] <Jurian> not in our current physical form, we cannot
[13:51] <S7L> and I have never seen a person fly, except with aid of technology. I have no reason to believe it is possible.
[13:51] <Jurian> the key word?!?
[13:51] <vamp> anything is possible
[13:51] <Jurian> "simsalabim!"
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[13:51] * Jurian flies away
[13:52] <stphrz> keep trying jur
[13:52] <vamp> i haven't done it yet
[13:52] <Zetapal> prove it
[13:52] * Jurian drinks a red bull, and flies off
[13:52] <vamp> im a beginner
[13:52] <Sapphire> Just look at Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon...
[13:52] <vamp> i've done a lot of hings
[13:52] <S7L> I think you are just dead wrong. I have never seen anyone's belief affect the physical reality unless there is an *ordinary mechanism*
[13:52] <CyberVVizz> S7L, maybe some people can extand the distance between their atoms so they become lighter :-)
[13:52] <S7L> some way it can actually happen
[13:52] <S7L> CyberVVizz: maybe they can't
[13:52] <stphrz> belief is irrelavent
[13:52] <vamp> do you believe you can bend spoons and metals though
[13:52] <vamp> ?
[13:52] <vamp> with your mind
[13:52] <S7L> vamp: no
[13:52] <vamp> people have done it
[13:52] <vamp> ive witnessed it happening
[13:52] <S7L> they have all been fodnu to be cheating
[13:52] <Jurian> no they haven't
[13:52] <stphrz> you need the actual knowledge
[13:52] <vamp> yes they have lol
[13:52] <Jurian> they trick you
[13:52] <S7L> uri geller also.
[13:52] <Zetapal> in 4th density maybe ...
[13:52] <PoleShift> Matter can be manipulated by the mind.  The more developed the mind, the more the manipulation
[13:52] <vamp> it's not that hard
[13:53] <vamp> yup
[13:53] <stphrz> no
[13:53] <Zetapal> not in 3rd though...
[13:53] <vamp> its just we are grown, in this mind prison not to belive this suff
[13:53] <PoleShift> Try evaporating clouds by willpower
[13:53] <vamp> but trust me, theres a whole differnet world around us
[13:53] <stphrz> the human mind can manipulate jack
[13:53] <vamp> you cant see because of what youw atched in tv
[13:53] <PoleShift> (small ones)
[13:53] <S7L> vamp: well, make the glass I keep on my table to float just by wanting it to happen. I dare yo.
[13:53] <CyberVVizz> yes, i have concentrated 5 years on my little one, and definitely it's bigger as before :-)
[13:53] * Jurian thinks vamp has watched "the matrix" a bit too often
[13:53] <vamp> on your table ?
[13:53] <vamp> lol
[13:53] <vamp> now you just want proof
[13:53] <S7L> if you can't, then I don't think your mind powers are quite sufficient.
[13:53] <vamp> i'm not a bragger
[13:53] <Zetapal> lol
[13:53] <S7L> so you retreat?
[13:54] <stphrz> vamp doesn't know the incantation
[13:54] <Zetapal> get em 7
[13:54] <obany> Jurian isn't your nickname neo ???? :P
[13:54] <vamp> ok
[13:54] <vamp> you are close minded to other peoples
[13:54] <vamp> opinions
[13:54] <Jurian> obany: no, my powerswitch is called neo :p
[13:54] <vamp> im leaving
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[13:54] <CyberVVizz> noo
[13:54] <S7L> What a wonderful character.
[13:54] <S7L> Sheesh.
[13:54] <stphrz> therefore no matter how much vamp strains the matter between his ears
[13:54] <Zetapal> like disney
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[13:54] <stphrz> he'll never be able to do anything
[13:55] <S7L> some people just hold the strangest beliefs that have nothign to do with physical reality, and when challenged, get hurt
[13:55] <CyberVVizz> well, don't hurt your brother, and you will not be hurt :-)
[13:55] <Jurian> bs
[13:55] <S7L> the way I look at it, it's a service to bang that kind of crap out of everyone.
[13:55] <CyberVVizz> besides, if You feel hurt it's only your lower parts which is hurt
[13:55] <S7L> I only wish I had the magical whip to do it
[13:55] <S7L> but I don't
[13:56] <S7L> he'll be back with more of the same, I foresee.
[13:56] <Jurian> hehe, yah :)
[13:56] <stphrz> doesn't mean the magical whip doesn't exist
[13:56] <stphrz> you just don't have it
[13:56] <S7L> maybe not, but I suspect it would be violation of another's free will
[13:56] <CyberVVizz> well it's a divine law, magical things are the pivilige of the servants of love, and in some times of... darkness
[13:56] <Jurian> you just haven't found the right keyword yet, to unlock it! :P
[13:56] <stphrz> right
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[13:57] <Jurian> the freedom of choice, is THE most important thing, in life, imho :p
[13:57] <CyberVVizz> well some do it with words, some without :-)
[13:57] <S7L> but I think I have turned a people away from these chats already
[13:57] <stphrz> it could be a key word, key thought, key piece of technology
[13:57] <stphrz> whatever
[13:58] <CyberVVizz> relay
[13:58] <CyberVVizz> :-))
[13:58] <S7L> and at this rate, I think I'll be removed because the consequences of me being there will invariably cause a selectivity in the audience that will be opposed.
[13:58] <CyberVVizz> sometimes open relay sometimes priviliged relay sometimes closed relay
[13:58] <Jurian> you will not be removed
[13:58] <Zetapal> the zetas have spoken to the human desire to be able to manipilate his environment through mindpower,belief,positive thinking,...on Jeff Renses program if you remember. It is a false belief born of nervous energy....  we all share the same environment so even if you could alter it wouldn't that be awefully inconsiderate to say the least, to the rest of us?  quite arrogant if you ask me
[13:58] <Jurian> trust me, you won't be, at least, not for long
[13:59] <S7L> well thanks, Jurian. I can always rely on the server god
[13:59] <CyberVVizz> don't attack souls if they can't defend them right now, that's fish talk
[13:59] <S7L> but I do not want to. I'm only afraid that this is in part a battle of ideologies. While I do not consider myself being hurtable, I do recognize that others have not this benefit
[14:00] <Jurian> heh, I guess so :)
[14:00] <PoleShift> yes, ZetaPal, for that and other reasons, the human vehicle is not designed for such very effectively.
[14:00] <CyberVVizz> You need to be carefull with water, too much water to a sort of plant let it dies
[14:00] <Jurian> too much of anything is bad
[14:00] <stphrz> bah
[14:01] <Jurian> TOO MUCH is always bad :P
[14:01] <S7L> implied by 'too much', yes
[14:01] <CyberVVizz> Anyway, S7L, don't worry, there is still karma ;-)
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[14:01] <CyberVVizz> to solve it
[14:01] <stphrz> lol
[14:01] <S7L> Well, I'm sort of looking at my own karma.
[14:01] <S7L> And if reincarnation exists, I just know I'm going to be coming back for more.
[14:01] <Jurian> hehe :)
[14:02] <S7L> but life isn't that bad, is it?
[14:02] <Jurian> not really
[14:02] <CyberVVizz> it's a play garden
[14:02] <Sparksilent> i think were tricked into thinking its bad
[14:02] <S7L> I in fact quite enjoy
[14:02] <CyberVVizz> and maybe we can play with zeta's too in future
[14:02] <stphrz> haw
[14:02] <S7L> I wish others could feel more of the same.
[14:03] <CyberVVizz> maybe they wish to learn emotions ?
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[14:03] <Jurian> I don't think you can "learn" emotions
[14:03] <CyberVVizz> and we have science in return ?
[14:03] <Jurian> you either have them, or you don't
[14:03] <Jurian> you can learn to express them better
[14:03] <PoleShift> that's what the hybrids are for, Cyber
[14:03] <CyberVVizz> well, if they make children with use...
[14:03] <CyberVVizz> euhm us
[14:03] <S7L> Jurian: well, I think it's a rather fragile point you are making here. Perhaps capability for emotions always exist
[14:03] <CyberVVizz> oops to late ;-)
[14:04] <S7L> I had almost no emotions when I was younger. I simply did not know they existed
[14:04] <stphrz> what are emotions
[14:04] <stphrz> ?
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[14:04] <CyberVVizz> S7L, You are right all souls have a trinity
[14:04] <Jurian> undefinable thought patterns :p
[14:04] <stphrz> that helps
[14:04] <PoleShift> Zetas have emotions, just do not express them as we do
[14:04] <CyberVVizz> but i think they neglicted it for a huge period of time
[14:04] <Zetapal> experiencing emotions is different from exprssion or non-expression... they have emotions they just aren't percieved by those of us who have met them
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[14:05] <S7L> I was in a constant state of content, and encountered the words others used without recognizing what they meant. But I was able to identify the emotions that I did have, and make sense of them, and develope them
[14:05] <CyberVVizz> mm, they have heart, mind.... so they miss emotions :-)
[14:05] <PoleShift> Oh, every talk to one, Cyber?
[14:05] <CyberVVizz> most of use has emotions :-))
[14:05] <PoleShift> ever*
[14:06] <S7L> now I think I seem to have a full palette of typical emotions, identified and well defined, and my emotional responses are not unlike others'.
[14:06] <CyberVVizz> no Poleshift, i talk only to spirits
[14:06] <PoleShift> :)
[14:06] <CyberVVizz> and humans and ... anyway
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[14:06] <idol_harobed> Math is a regligion: 3x-2x=2-3 (x=-1) -> 3x+3=2x+2 -> 3(x+1) = 2(x+1) -> 3=2  See, proof that 3=2.  Science rules!!!
[14:06] <Jurian> S7L: heh, fair enough :)
[14:06] <Zetapal> very unfair to presume they are lacking in anyway ... would you say the same thing about the new neighbors down the street
[14:06] <S7L> idol_harobed: your fancy 'paradox' is wasted on thsi channel, I'm afraid.
[14:07] <S7L> try to hide the division by zero better ;p
[14:07] <PoleShift> Idol: Examine PI and prime numbers in base 12, ;)
[14:07] <idol_harobed> lol
[14:07] <S7L> the equation is even true for x = -1
[14:07] <Jurian> prime numbers in base12 ? :)
[14:07] <PoleShift> yes, much more predictable
[14:07] <CyberVVizz> no idol :-)
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[14:07] <idol_harobed> Just to show that science can be manipulated
[14:08] <Jurian> PoleShift: hrm, how so? :)
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[14:08] <S7L> idol_harobed: I do not consider taht shown. What I saw was a few lines of bad mathematics.
[14:08] <PoleShift> try it and see for youself
[14:08] <CyberVVizz> some results are multiple
[14:08] <Jurian> can't be arsed to write some code to print a list :p
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[14:09] <S7L> if you want to look at mathematics as "religion" then I'm afraid you have to dwell deep into the axioms of set theory
[14:09] <stphrz> 3x - 2x = -1
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[14:09] <stphrz> x = -1
[14:09] <CyberVVizz> 1-2-3-4-5 speed, I bet when You put Your car afterwards in R You still go straight on !
[14:09] <PoleShift> complex fractals, yes ;)
[14:09] <idol_harobed> -1 = 2-3
[14:09] <S7L> That is somewhere so fundamental that it can be almost religious experience to try comprehend the stuff
[14:09] <idol_harobed> ;)
[14:10] <CyberVVizz> i guess i just created an UFO
[14:10] <stphrz> idol 2 -3 = -1 you have to do that operation first
[14:10] <idol_harobed> hehehhehe
[14:10] <CyberVVizz> i knew it, i am an alien <grin>
[14:10] <idol_harobed> Why I can't do the opposite?
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[14:11] <S7L> idol_harobed: the opposite?
[14:11] <Torbj> -1--1=4
[14:11] <stphrz> 2 - 3 is an absolute value
[14:11] <Jurian> Torbj: eh?
[14:11] <jubjub963> 3 x 0 = 2 x 0
[14:11] <Jurian> -- = +
[14:11] <Jurian> -1 + 1 = 0
[14:11] <Jurian> not 4
[14:11] <idol_harobed> square root of 4 is -2
[14:11] <S7L> idol_harobed: false
[14:11] <S7L> it's not -2.
[14:11] <Jurian> its 2
[14:11] <jubjub963> doesn't mean 3 = 2
[14:11] <idol_harobed> -2 * -2 = 4
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[14:11] <S7L> idol_harobed: that is not definition of square-root
[14:12] <Jurian> yes, but sqrt(4) != -2
[14:12] <S7L> when selecting the roots, one picks the positive value.
[14:12] <S7L> but this is typically arbitrary
[14:12] <stphrz> sqrt(-25) = 5i
[14:12] <idol_harobed> Why not pick the negative one?
[14:12] <PoleShift> Our current use of mathematics must grow beyond "absolute" relationships to accurately describe our "relative" universe.
[14:12] <CyberVVizz> so -2 is 2 in the complex plane and 2 is -2 in the real plane :-) after mirroring to zero :-)
[14:12] <S7L> when solving the equations, depending on context, both -2 and 2 are valid solutions
[14:12] <S7L> that is, (±2)^2 = 4
[14:12] <Jurian> idol_harobed: cause that's not the way its done? :p
[14:12] <CyberVVizz> I just made a space warp system...
[14:12] <S7L> but when sqrt(4) is computed, the value is 2.
[14:12] <idol_harobed> I see
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[14:13] <CyberVVizz> jeez...
[14:13] <Jurian> heh, ugh
[14:13] <Jurian> math is sick
[14:13] <Jurian> must destroy math!
[14:13] <CyberVVizz> it's divine
[14:13] <Jurian> no its not
[14:13] <Jurian> nothing devine about it
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[14:13] <idol_harobed> 3/¯27 has three answers!
[14:13] <CyberVVizz> there is one, Adam, and he got's two from One, Eve.
[14:13] <Jurian> nature is devine
[14:13] <Jurian> math is not
[14:13] <MichaelCunningham> nothing wrong with math
[14:13] <idol_harobed> even worse
[14:14] <Jurian> nothing wrong with it, no, but its not devine
[14:14] <CyberVVizz> two point make a line, so You have three.  Two points and the line...
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[14:14] <Jurian> uh, not true
[14:14] <CyberVVizz> etc etc
[14:14] <Jurian> 2 points don't make a line
[14:14] <stphrz> 3/27 = 1/9
[14:14] * Looking up CyberVVitch user info...
[14:14] <Jurian> they make a partial line
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[14:14] <Jurian> a line is infinite
[14:14] <PoleShift> Our universe is a mathematical formula.  An infinite living multifractal manifestation of the thought patterns of THE SOURCE from which all emanates.
[14:14] <S7L> two points define a line unambiguously in euclidean geometry.
[14:14] <Zunisunface> what time do the dancing girls come on?
[14:14] <Torbj> when going from... you have math   when standing still...no math
[14:15] <idol_harobed> cubic root not 3/27  
[14:15] <S7L> in other geometries, there can be more than one line that can be fit through 2 points
[14:15] <MichaelCunningham> they were here already!
[14:15] <stphrz> two points describe a segment
[14:15] <Jurian> exactly
[14:15] <MichaelCunningham> that's correct
[14:15] <CyberVVizz> well, i just explains the basics of occult math... the discussion of 'line' prouves there are always a truth in some vision
[14:15] <MichaelCunningham> three points for a plane
[14:15] <stphrz> set theory rules
[14:16] <idol_harobed> one real answer and two complex answers.
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[14:16] <S7L> (in other geometries, the lines are no longer straight, but they are described as geodesics, ie. shortest points between two points)
[14:16] * Jurian hates algebra
[14:16] * Jurian loves geometry tho :p
[14:17] <stphrz> set theory!
[14:17] <S7L> ie. consider the poles of a 3-dimensional sphere. One can fit arbitrarily many lines through the two points.
[14:17] <CyberVVizz> when You hit the pizza with Your head You don't see pizza but stars, or when You raise up a little further You see tomatoo juice
[14:17] <stphrz> will save mankind
[14:17] <stphrz> heh
[14:17] <CyberVVizz> lets buy pizza's, mmm
[14:17] <Jurian> set theory eh? :P
[14:17] <S7L> shortest paths between two points, to correct typo above
[14:17] <PoleShift> we must save ourselves, stphrz ;)
[14:17] * Jurian thinks we're all part of the #zetatalk set, right now :p
[14:17] <ZooSpecimen> when's zetatalk starting? nother hour or whenever the zeta's finish thier insect stew?
[14:17] <Jurian> which is part of the funnet.org set :p
[14:17] * CyberVVizz is now known as CyberVVizz|pizzatime
[14:17] <Jurian> which is part of the internet set
[14:17] <MichaelCunningham> not to mention the the sause on your forehead
[14:18] <Jurian> which is part of the world set :p
[14:18] <MichaelCunningham> sausage
[14:18] * Jurian shuts up
[14:18] <obany> in about 42 min
[14:18] <idol_harobed> Insect?
[14:18] <ZooSpecimen> ty
[14:18] * Jurian steals the sausage
[14:18] <stphrz> stprz = #zetatalk + #troubled times
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[14:18] <MichaelCunningham> give it back!
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[14:18] <ZooSpecimen> thats what they eat
[14:18] <CyberVVitch> yay :-)
[14:18] <Jurian> come and get it! :P
[14:18] <idol_harobed> wow
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[14:18] <MichaelCunningham> pizza fight!
[14:18] * Jurian puts some ketchup on the sausage and takes a bite
[14:18] <Jurian> hehe
[14:18] <ZooSpecimen> or did
[14:19] <idol_harobed> Roach pizza!
[14:19] * Jurian slaps MichaelCunningham with a large pepperoni pizza
[14:19] <stphrz> i saw a zeta on Emeril Live
[14:19] <CyberVVitch> lol
[14:19] * obany changes topic to 'during the answers the channel will be on moderation, at the follow up questions off moderation'
[14:19] <nutcase> hey, where's nancy?
[14:19] * Jurian throws cheese pizza at obany
[14:19] <MichaelCunningham> flinges a pizza like a frizbee
[14:19] <stphrz> he was chowing down on a fried oyster
[14:19] * Jurian hides the moderate buttons
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[14:19] <obany> cheese pizza ... ah that taste good
[14:19] <obany> Jurian what kind of cheese
[14:19] <obany> goat?
[14:19] <Jurian> IN YO FACE!
[14:19] <MichaelCunningham> pizza = hungry!
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[14:19] <Jurian> rotten cheese
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[14:20] <MichaelCunningham> more! more!
[14:20] <ZooSpecimen> wow would i love to see o good clear pic of an alien!
[14:20] <Jurian> lol
[14:20] <stphrz> look in a mirror
[14:20] <obany> rotten mm that's how i like it
[14:20] <MichaelCunningham> look in the mirror!
[14:20] <PoleShift> How 'bout ye-to-eye instead, Zoo?
[14:20] <PoleShift> eye*
[14:20] * Jurian sends obany to rotten.com
[14:20] * CyberVVizz|pizzatime is now known as CyberVVizz
[14:20] <ZooSpecimen> i keep asking on zeta talk but response
[14:20] <obany> eeuw ... not that site
[14:20] <stphrz> i gotcha clear pic right here
[14:20] <Jurian> hey, you liked it rotten! :p
[14:20] <MichaelCunningham> rotten.com = BAD!
[14:20] <CyberVVizz> I hope bin laden does not produce pizza's :-)
[14:20] <obany> zoospecimen: 40 min from now
[14:20] <ZooSpecimen> i would crap myself
[14:21] <PoleShift> understood =)
[14:21] <CyberVVitch> that'd be spicy ;-)
[14:21] <Jurian> ugh, and for those of you who are wondering what that site is, don't go there if you've got a bad stomach :p
[14:21] <Torbj> see no Alien...no math!, see Alien....math!
[14:21] <PoleShift> one step at a time
[14:21] <MichaelCunningham> weak stomach
[14:21] <CyberVVizz> well, mmm, antrax and meal, brrr
[14:21] <ZooSpecimen> if i saw a pic first that would help big time
[14:21] <Jurian> MichaelCunningham: heh, yeah, that :)
[14:22] <Jurian> ZooSpecimen: really? what'd prove the pic was real?
[14:22] <Jurian> I think people over-rate pictures, way too much
[14:22] <STO_WARRIOR> wonders what whitley strieber thinks of nancy and her zeta's?
[14:22] <Jurian> see it with your real eyes, THAT'd be much much more convincing :)
[14:22] * stphrz fries an egg
[14:22] <Jurian> wtf?
[14:22] <Jurian> egg frying??
[14:22] <CyberVVizz> like i have see a naked women right now
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[14:22] <CyberVVizz> ?
[14:23] <stphrz> this is your brain on #zetatalk
[14:23] <stphrz> any questions
[14:23] <CyberVVizz> yes, why are we make so much questions ?
[14:23] <BC> hi Jeremy....
[14:23] <Jeremy> hi Brian
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[14:23] <AC> hihi
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[14:24] <cybervvizz> hihu
[14:24] * Jurian wonders why there's 2 superzod's here
[14:24] <obany> well i don't know Jeremy but in a journal of his he did metnion 2003 in relation to aliens
[14:24] * Jurian thinks one should be enough
[14:24] * stphrz shifts his brain back into neutral
[14:25] <obany> and on the discussion forum on that site of his is some discussion going on about the 2003 year
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[14:25] * idol_harobed wanders why Sperman wears his underwear outside the pants.
[14:25] <cybervvizz> 2003 versus 2012
[14:25] <stphrz> sperman?
[14:25] <idol_harobed> Superman
[14:25] <idol_harobed> :)
[14:25] <tizza> morning all :)
[14:25] <Jurian> idol_harobed: hehe, underwear isn't part of the clothes set? :)
[14:25] <MichaelCunningham> gotta have a PX first for it to arrive in 2003
[14:25] <cybervvizz> sperm-man ?
[14:26] <idol_harobed> hehe
[14:26] <Jeremy> obany: what topic are you referring to was the last remark really directed to me?
[14:26] <stphrz> laugh all you want
[14:26] <STO_WARRIOR> or was it for me?
[14:26] <Jurian> MichaelCunningham: very true :)
[14:26] <cybervvizz> no, just funny :-)
[14:26] <stphrz> when set theory opens the answers to the ultimate question you'll see
[14:26] <Jurian> I guess that is really the biggest question I have.. is it really somewhere out there :)
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[14:27] <obany> nah for someone else... my mistake
[14:27] <Jurian> the ultimate question?
[14:27] <obany> anyway http://www.unknowncountry.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?lm=1030450942&file=/913/4360.html
[14:27] <Jeremy> obany: ok ;)
[14:27] <cybervvizz> don't be so picky, if we will see, then you think we will be punished, and that's not lovely ;-)
[14:27] <Jurian> "can entropy be reversed" <-- the last question
[14:27] <stphrz> yes
[14:27] <cybervvizz> ;-)
[14:27] <PoleShift> There are no ultimate questions, stp, as set theory knoweldge should tell you ;)
[14:27] <cybervvizz> what's entropy ?
[14:27] <Jurian> good question
[14:27] <PoleShift> only more and more =)
[14:27] <stphrz> i dunno
[14:27] <idol_harobed> Entropy: degraded energy.
[14:28] <idol_harobed> or like
[14:28] <cybervvizz> oo
[14:28] <cybervvizz> every degraded energy can be reversed
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[14:28] <cybervvizz> the other way works too
[14:28] <Jurian> cybervvizz: how?
[14:28] <idol_harobed> Of course.  since energy don't vanish..
[14:28] <Torbj> entropy=fried eggs
[14:28] <cybervvizz> i will not explain dirty atlantis stuff
[14:28] <idol_harobed> :)
[14:28] <cybervvizz> :-)
[14:29] <cybervvizz> btw, most of us are atlantis people :-)
[14:29] <cybervvizz> karmaa
[14:29] <Jurian> if there ever was such a place :p
[14:29] <PoleShift> The human mind is still in its primitive stage and  that even if all our questions would be answered we wouldn't even know where to begin to comprehend them.
[14:29] <CyberVVitch> tss :p
[14:29] <jubjub963> atlantis == cuba
[14:29] <idol_harobed> hehe
[14:29] <cybervvizz> a part
[14:30] <STO_WARRIOR> entropy ends and starts with the big bang ? universally speaking?
[14:30] <S7L> STO_WARRIOR: well, all other things are thought to start and end as well
[14:30] <cybervvizz> my vision is it is an endless cycle
[14:30] <PoleShift> big bangs are only local events
[14:30] <STO_WARRIOR> just a bizarre thought
[14:30] <idol_harobed> Can God decide not being God anymore?
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[14:30] <S7L> but I'd prefer the opinion which makes no assumptions about it
[14:30] <Jurian> S7L: even time??
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[14:30] <Torbj> Where i live there is a Pizzaplace named Atlantic!
[14:30] <cybervvizz> you can't destruct yourself, so god can't destruct Himself neither
[14:31] * Jurian doesn't think anything can exist before time exists
[14:31] <S7L> Jurian: if there is no space, there is no time, either
[14:31] <idol_harobed> Since He can do anything.
[14:31] <stphrz> what is time?
[14:31] <cybervvizz> time is an illusion
[14:31] <PoleShift> yes, idol, that's what we are! ;)
[14:31] <TheViking> Time flies
[14:31] <Jurian> depends on how you define it
[14:31] <stphrz> fuck!
[14:31] <idol_harobed> ;)
[14:31] <cybervvizz> our bodies are timeflies our soul is infinityfly
[14:32] <Jurian> if you look at time as memories of what happened, then time is very much real
[14:32] <stphrz> is it not fly, tubular, rad, cool....
[14:32] <PoleShift> time is a local event web matrix
[14:32] <cybervvizz> a matrix created by another matrix, your thoughts
[14:32] <idol_harobed> Not destruct Himself, but let other entity do His tasks...
[14:32] <STO_WARRIOR> time is the passage of movement?
[14:32] <PoleShift> perception
[14:32] <cybervvizz> Souls can not be destructed, ok :-)
[14:32] <cybervvizz> onyl matter transforms
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[14:33] <PoleShift> time is the flow of particles
[14:33] <cybervvizz> and it seems like destruction
[14:33] <stphrz> virtual reality exists without time
[14:33] <Torbj> fried souls!?
[14:33] <HenryK> Matter requires time.
[14:33] <stphrz> can real reality exist without time also?
[14:33] <MichaelCunningham> time prevents everything from happening all at once
[14:33] <PoleShift> of we we're not yet privey
[14:33] <PoleShift> of which*
[14:33] <cybervvizz> yes, freemen :-) we are all freemen
[14:33] <cybervvizz> but we behave as prisoners of our thought matrixes
[14:34] * Jurian doesn't buy the "time is particles" theory
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[14:34] <PoleShift> we're here to learn, cyber.  Schooltime!
[14:34] <Jurian> to that, I must agree
[14:34] <cybervvizz> well, thoughts are energy and a very powerfull one, beware :-)
[14:34] <Jurian> earth is a learning place
[14:34] <idol_harobed> Yes
[14:34] <ZooSpecimen> reality is just an abstact like a staight line or a circle
[14:34] <stphrz> wow
[14:35] <jubjub963> the largest public school in the world..
[14:35] <MichaelCunningham> I don't buy the time particle either
[14:35] <jubjub963> is the world
[14:35] <cybervvizz> life is a theater, pluto
[14:35] <ZooSpecimen> we can only estimate it
[14:35] <PoleShift> that's because you haven't seen it yet, Michael
[14:35] <cybervvizz> euh plato
[14:35] <idol_harobed> Reality is defined by what your senses detect.
[14:35] <cybervvizz> :-))
[14:35] <Jurian> jubjub963: yep, but most likely not the largest school in the universe
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[14:35] <ZooSpecimen> yes
[14:35] <jubjub963> ah true
[14:35] <obany> mmm test test
[14:35] <Jurian> only human arrogance would presume we're the only intelligent species in the universe
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[14:35] <obany> !notalk
[14:35] * grimbot sets mode: +m
[14:35] <obany> !talk
[14:35] * grimbot sets mode: -m
[14:35] <grimbot> Ok, everyone can talk now.
[14:36] <obany> yes it works :)
[14:36] <ZooSpecimen> we only have our personal perspective
[14:36] <jubjub963> of course there's others
[14:36] <cybervvizz> obony is training his fingers
[14:36] <idol_harobed> For a born blind person, color concept could seem unreal.
[14:36] <Jurian> hehe
[14:36] <Jurian> idol_harobed: time being a particle flow, would mean it is localized, and can be altered
[14:36] <cybervvizz> for a brain thinking in borders and limits, endless is hard to catch
[14:37] <Jurian> which in turn would mean you could stop time movement in one place, but not in the rest
[14:37] <Jurian> which would create a big mess, in the universe, imho :P
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[14:37] <stphrz> time is money
[14:37] <jubjub963> bad idea -> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/08/30/asteroid.airbag/index.html
[14:37] <stphrz> there
[14:37] <Jurian> money is evil
[14:37] <cybervvizz> time is sex for 2the degree poeple too :-)
[14:38] <Jurian> or rather, societies lust for money, is evil
[14:38] <cybervvizz> time is survive for 1th degree ones :-)
[14:38] <Jurian> money itself is a usefull tool
[14:38] <PoleShift> correct, Jurian
[14:38] <Jurian> altho, in a perfect world, there would be no use for money
[14:38] <Jurian> then again
[14:38] <Torbj> !notalk
[14:38] <cybervvizz> money is not usefull :-) it creates to much bad effects
[14:38] <PoleShift> That is why such is managed and controlled extremely carefully
[14:38] <Jurian> who wants to live in a perfect world
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[14:38] <Torbj> hehe
[14:39] <STO_WARRIOR> the system that creates the lust because its lost its checks and balances is evil
[14:39] <Zetapal> back
[14:39] <idol_harobed> ZT has a good article about money.
[14:39] <Jurian> PoleShift: yes, by people like thomas andersen
[14:39] <cybervvizz> when you barter goods, You take only what you need, but with Gold You want always more... (most)
[14:39] <Jurian> so screw that
[14:39] <cybervvizz> I suggest zeta's invade first with gold carierspaceships
[14:39] <S7L> cybervvizz: actually, money is not to blame. It's people's lust for power and need for safety against perceived threats that is responsible
[14:39] <Jurian> barter isn't optimal either
[14:39] <HenryK> Money can't buy you happiness, but at least you can be miserable in comfort.
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[14:40] <PoleShift> no, humans are too immature to travel time
[14:40] <Jurian> HenryK: hehe
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[14:40] <cybervvizz> S7L, then You need to think a little bit why they have created money :-)
[14:40] <cybervvizz> it was NOT to make trade easier
[14:40] <STO_WARRIOR> i think some are mature enough to travel time
[14:41] <Jurian> I'm not so sure about that
[14:41] <cybervvizz> i guess a few souls on 400 biljion incarnated/not-incarnated souls
[14:41] <PoleShift> Not what 3rd density living is about, STO Warr
[14:41] <jubjub963> if you were on a planet 65,000,000 light years away , and with powerful telescope you could watch dinosaurs walking around, not time travel, but it'd be cool though
[14:41] <Torbj> money is a rather good tool..if handeld "nice"...instead of "your cow for my three pigs"...alot easier to handle
[14:41] <cybervvizz> money creates greed
[14:41] <Jurian> not true
[14:41] <S7L> cybervvizz: they created it for a need?
[14:41] <Jurian> human nature creates greed
[14:41] <idol_harobed> Just ask anyone on the streets what would they do with a time machine: "To win the lottery."
[14:42] <Zetapal> time for a Harpoon ...
[14:42] <cybervvizz> anyway, it has proven it is useless, we have for 8000 years or more, gold
[14:42] <cybervvizz> so up to the barter system
[14:42] <Torbj> barter allso is "greedable" with the "wrong " people
[14:42] <Jurian> barter isn't logical either
[14:42] <cybervvizz> btw Universe works with barter system too :-))
[14:43] <Jurian> sort of
[14:43] <Torbj> i maybe want to colect 1300 piggs....
[14:43] <Jurian> everyone contributes what they can, and uses what they need
[14:43] <STO_WARRIOR> money should be freely given by governments so we all can have stuff
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[14:43] <cybervvizz> We giver zeta's emotions and a stronger body and we get science and education :-))
[14:43] <Jurian> that is, imho, the optimal way for a society to function
[14:43] <Jurian> however, it only works if everyone cooperates
[14:43] <Jurian> creedy bastards would destroy that system, instantly
[14:43] <STO_WARRIOR> when born we should all get a couple of million dollars to make life pleasurable
[14:43] <Jurian> greedy even
[14:43] <MichaelCunningham> what do you do with those who don't cooperate?
[14:44] <cybervvizz> don't judge, they will have karmaa
[14:44] <Zetapal> soilent green
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[14:44] <grimbot> Welcome and g'day to you Nancy and the Zetas!
[14:44] <STO_WARRIOR> hell when you play monopoly you start with money
[14:44] <Jurian> those who don't contribute, and just collect as much as they can
[14:44] <butch> hello all
[14:44] * obany sets mode: +o NancyL
[14:44] <jubjub963> that would cause inflation STO
[14:44] <STO_WARRIOR> lol
[14:44] <Zetapal> hi nancy
[14:44] <NancyL> Lo, folks, I've got a small agenda today, left over from last weeks chat.
[14:44] <Okidok> hi Nancy
[14:44] <Jurian> heh, screw inflation
[14:44] <jubjub963> i'd like a burger, that'll be 200 dollars
[14:44] <Jurian> lol
[14:45] <idol_harobed> Greetings, Nancy!!!
[14:45] <NancyL> I promised to glean Q's and did so, as last week was a packed pace.
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[14:45] <NancyL> I'll post early for the early birds ..
[14:45] <NancyL> BLAIR WITCH
[14:45] <NancyL> 1. the makers of the Blair Witch said they completely fabricted the myth.  http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/blairwitchproject.html   
[14:45] <NancyL> The Zetas say Blaire Witch was not extraterrestrial or done by spirits, but by powerful spirits incarnated in humans who wished to be left alone,
[14:45] <NancyL> BLAIR WITCH
[14:45] <NancyL> 1. the makers of the Blair Witch said they completely fabricted the myth.  http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/blairwitchproject.html   
[14:45] <NancyL> The Zetas say Blaire Witch was not extraterrestrial or done by spirits, but by powerful spirits incarnated in humans who wished to be left alone,
[14:45] <NancyL> Oops..
[14:45] <NancyL> HEISER VS SITCHIN
[14:45] <NancyL> 1.  Recent article on rense.com by Michael Heiser blasts Sitchin interpretation of summarian tablets and pretty much says Sitchin cannot translate ancient Summarian... comments?
[14:45] <idol_harobed> +m
[14:45] <NancyL> NEW ORBIT
[14:45] <NancyL> 1. Given the size and gravity of PX, wouldn’t earths orbit around the sun be altered, other than the polar shift? And what effects will this have? will earths orbit become further out of the sun?
[14:46] <NancyL> PROTECTIONS
[14:46] <NancyL> 1. would you be able to tell me if contactees are being monitored and if they have received protection (unbeknownst to them) by aliens.
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[14:46] <Jurian> lol, nasty queenvee
[14:46] <tizza> :)
[14:47] <Jurian> when are they gonna learn that the flood protection gets them, before they even start getting annoying? :)
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[14:47] <tizza> could take a while :)
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[14:48] <SuSpeCT> .
[14:48] <Jurian> tizza: I'm afraid you're right :)
[14:48] <NancyL> SteveH, I posted all BUT the coordinates for my Sep 15th return to Viewing Specs on sci.astro this morning.
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[14:48] <Zetapal> has "the other shoe" fallen?
[14:48] <SteveH> yeah, I saw that
[14:48] <Jurian> Zetapal: yes, but some dog picked it up and ran off with it :-)
[14:48] <SteveH> time is flying by
[14:48] <NancyL> I revamped the Viewing Specs to focus on the Passage, appearance, etc., and increasing size as the next month unfolds.
[14:49] <NancyL> I've got the coords for 9/15 but am waiting ...
[14:49] <obany> only a few weeks about 2 before the midst of september
[14:49] <NancyL> Some surprises there!
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[14:49] <idol_harobed> Surprises?
[14:50] <NancyL> ZetaPal, I got a Q on email about that, and the other shoes HAVE dropped, as expected.
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[14:50] <tizza> nancy : those new co ordinates wouldnt be much diferent to the last lot tho would they?
[14:50] <NancyL> At the time, last Spring, the Z's were telling me media appearances, Bush setbacks, Stock Market impacts, etc.
[14:50] <Zetapal> thank you nancy, perhaps you could expound that a bit sometime
[14:50] <NancyL> The Art Bell thing, for me, had to be one shoe, and it was a virtual RUSH to get me onto the show in less than a week from initial email sent to me.
[14:51] <Jurian> the stock markets appear to be getting better again, however, I must say I don not buy that :)
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[14:51] <PoleShift> wait until after election, J
[14:51] <jubjub963> one month does not a bull market make
[14:51] <tizza> jurian : still very unstable tho....
[14:51] <Zetapal> ahh I see
[14:51] <PoleShift> then watch what happens
[14:51] <Jurian> heh, I'm not in the USA, was talking about holland as well :)
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[14:51] <NancyL> Then the Bush obsession with Iraq, and (surprise) Republicans coming out opposing him, is another.  Setback for Bush Admin.
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[14:51] <Jurian> when are the elections anyway? :)
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[14:51] <Jurian> in the usa
[14:52] <jubjub963> nov
[14:52] <butch> november
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[14:52] <tizza> too far away....
[14:52] <Jurian> good, get rid of bush please, for the rest of the world :-)
[14:52] <Gyflex> what has happened to the strong 2002 atlantic hurricane season forcasted by meterologists?
[14:52] <NancyL> Then the US Market Crash in July, down to 7,700 or so Dow, showing that the brakes that had been operant up until then no longer worked, was another.
[14:52] <butch> not for president...
[14:52] <butch> congress
[14:52] <Jurian> darn
[14:52] <Jurian> still, get rid of bush anyway :)
[14:52] <NancyL> So, in my opinion, what I was anticipating, happened.
[14:52] <obany> well and this week Chirac from France spoke aginst the attacks on Iraq
[14:52] <butch> yeah..:P
[14:52] <Zetapal> got it thnx
[14:53] <NancyL> There are some other things expected during the Fall, not yet happening, which the Z's have told me to expect.
[14:53] <Torbj> election in November...hmm...Bush has to "go for it" in September then...it´ll giv him about 2 month...
[14:53] * Jurian wonders how many people are watching this chat, that aren't in the channel :-)
[14:53] <Zetapal> good
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[14:53] <superzod> ME
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[14:53] <SuSpeCT> <SuSpeCT> ur so stupid making ppl believe those stupidity <SuSpeCT> u need $$ right. <NancyL> Yea and those moron believe me
[14:53] <SuSpeCT> <SuSpeCT> ur so stupid making ppl believe those stupidity <SuSpeCT> u need $$ right. <NancyL> Yea and those moron believe me
[14:53] <SuSpeCT> <SuSpeCT> ur so stupid making ppl believe those stupidity <SuSpeCT> u need $$ right. <NancyL> Yea and those moron believe me
[14:53] <SuSpeCT> <SuSpeCT> ur so stupid making ppl believe those stupidity <SuSpeCT> u need $$ right. <NancyL> Yea and those moron believe me
[14:53] <NancyL> This involves so MUCH troubled visited on the elite, the coverup crowd, that they will in essence promote ZT/TT and other truth sayers to speak to the public, which they will be avoiding.
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[14:53] <Jurian> dumbass
[14:54] <stphrz> hrm
[14:54] <obany> Yes indeed Jurian
[14:54] <captain_nibiru> gezz
[14:54] <NancyL> Gyflex, Zetas said NO strong hurricane season, just as usual, so ...
[14:54] <nutcase> ?
[14:54] <Jurian> anyone deliberately pull that copy paste shit again, and it'll be your last visit here :p
[14:55] <nutcase> oooh!
[14:55] <Zetapal> so "the other shoe" could be thought of as the total discrediting of our institutions, publically
[14:55] <Zetapal> publicly ?
[14:55] <tizza> "believe those stupidity"???? if ya gunna be smart....learn some decent english first!!
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[14:55] <Zetapal> sorry
[14:55] <NancyL> SuSpeCT is not very covert, but overt.  Hate NANCY.  Best to ban for the hour unless he has a a Q&A other than this.
[14:55] <cybervvizz> Q: Can there be sharper predictions of future maps for other continents as the States ?  Europe ?
[14:55] <NancyL> He's making announcements, only.
[14:56] <Jurian> Nancy: it left already :)
[14:56] <tizza> i just think its funny that the english highluights just how stupid he /she really is...funny
[14:56] <jubjub963> so what's us with Hoagland , does he have nasa in a box
[14:56] <NancyL> Zetapal, more what I was aware of, but had not happened, and I was supposed to keep my mouth shut, etc.
[14:56] <jubjub963> what's up
[14:56] <QueenVee> Cass: glad to see you made it over
[14:56] <jubjub963> i mean
[14:56] <JoeyB> Hi Nancy! Any word from the Zs on worsening air quality everywhere?
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[14:56] <caswellca> yesm thanx
[14:56] <captain_nibiru> <nancy> will you have some had evadence soon??
[14:57] <nutcase> ?
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[14:57] <NancyL> Cyber, what do you mean by future maps?  All the ZT maps (melting poles, new geo, scripted drama) are for the whole world.  Caybe and Scallion were US only, though.
[14:57] <captain_nibiru> nancy- will you have some hard evadence soon
[14:57] <Torbj> tizza sinks ajm stypidd
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[14:57] <Zetapal> I see
[14:57] <NancyL> Jubjub, can you explain what you mean, Hoagland?  I missed it.
[14:57] <tizza> :):)   not you torbj
[14:58] <cybervvizz> well, Europe is rather a messy place... that's why. And i guess a few continents will be like that either
[14:58] <obany> i also read something about a oil like substance in relation to a vulcano ..
[14:58] <NancyL> JoeyB, do you mean the Asian brown cloud?
[14:58] <Gyflex> there was a question last week on Sollog, is he for real?
[14:58] <ZooSpecimen> how long between the "comet" tail and PS?
[14:58] <Torbj> *love*
[14:58] <tizza> *hugs*
[14:58] <NancyL> Captain, evidence will come in this Fall, from many sources, especially this winter.  
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[14:58] <jubjub963> Richard Hoagland apparently is about to release some major stuff regarding pictures of structures on Mars, apparently a real picture was released for a couple hours on a nasa website
[14:58] <captain_nibiru> ok, thanks nancy!!
[14:58] <NancyL> Planet X will eventually be called many thing, by NASA et al.
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[14:59] <JoeyB> Nancy: More like artificial spray ;)
[14:59] <jubjub963> and then taken down
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[14:59] <obany> Vulcanic ocean fireballs
[14:59] <NancyL> Also, increasing problems with weather, rising seas, and quakes will get MORE populace upset and asking.
[14:59] <Zetapal> Hoagland is the CIA's circus
[14:59] <AGreenspan> There are seemingly fundamental contradictions in ZT. - I will point one out here. For the Rule Of Doubt to be effective, doubt should be maintained not only pre event, but post event too, otherwise it will soon be the Rule Of Diminishing Doubt. On what grounds then, does your emissary post a track record on the site, using and claiming the word ACCURACY? Thank you.
[14:59] <superzod> nANCY, WOTS UP WITH art bell. iuS HE ILL, OR OF BUILDING A bunker :)
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[15:00] <NancyL> Cyber, the current flooding gives you practice!  Not a bad thing, if you're better prepared later.  
[15:00] <cybervvizz> :-)-
[15:00] <nutcase> :)
[15:00] <cybervvizz> I swimmed once in Atlantis, no second time
[15:00] <obany> http://www.earthweek.com/Earthweek.pdf about a unidentified oily substance
[15:01] <Zetapal> Greenspan - nonsensicle
[15:01] <NancyL> ZY to Zoo: the red dust that settles on the Earth, as the comet tail curls around toward Earth's gravity and licks the Earth, is but a day or two ahead of the shift.  Thus, considered a count-down sign.
[15:01] <cybervvizz> ;-)
[15:01] <NancyL> End ZT to Zoo.
[15:01] <tizza> we had a news report yesterday that someone over there in middle east is building an ark open to public next year,to be filled with "exotic" animals
[15:01] <Jeremy> Nancy: Do the Zetas have any estimate of the percentage of the worlds remaining population expected to perish during the second pass of Planet X?
[15:01] <ZooSpecimen> ty
[15:01] <NancyL> GYFlex, will add Sollog, even though no one has ever come up with prediction accuracy track record.
[15:01] <NancyL> He claims, but no evidence of this, right?
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[15:02] <root> Question: are the Nibiru pictures on http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/perseus_images.html FAKE. They have dust swirling moons and a cross appearance?
[15:02] <NancyL> Super, what do you mean, Art Bell, not on the radio?
[15:02] <Zetapal> not so bad the second time through Jeremy
[15:02] <SteveH> I think the Zeta's have said PX will not cause major problems on the second pass
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[15:02] <obany> any of you read that part in earthweek yet... that oily substance got fire when it was in the air
[15:02] <Zetapal> earth on other side of sun
[15:02] <obany> got ignited
[15:02] <cybervvizz> btw, can we loan shortwave equipment :-)
[15:03] <superzod> fOR THE PASS FEW week George Norry has beeen filling in for him.  I was wonder whats up
[15:03] <NancyL> Jeremey, 90% due to 1st pass, NO % due to 2nd pass, just high tides.
[15:03] <jubjub963> George said Art's coming back soon
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[15:03] <Zetapal> hes old and confused
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[15:03] <Zetapal> art
[15:03] <Zetapal> bless his heart
[15:03] <Sparksilent> tuesday i think art will be back?
[15:03] <NancyL> Root, no one has real pics of Px/Nibiru, so fake, yes.
[15:03] <jwilliam> I'm curious about the igniting ash & toxic sludge near Pago ? volcano as well.
[15:04] <nefesh5000> Geoerge keeps saying that Art's back is healing ...he'll be back on Tues.-after Labor Day
[15:04] <tizza> nancy : Q : was "crabwood" all an elaborate hoax?
[15:04] <jubjub963> still less visible than pluto for quite some more time i imagine
[15:04] <Jeremy> Nancy: Thanks, I asked that since ZT said a second set of cataclysms will occur during the second pass (though much milder), and it made we wonder if any lives would be lost
[15:04] <Zetapal> nope
[15:04] <obany> and undentified oily substance that got ignited in the air.. Interesting article
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[15:05] <nutcase> nancy, PX won't pass pluto until March, right?
[15:05] <NancyL> Super, really!  I don't know about Bell, but expect he will NOT  be the main "changes" source, and this is yet another shoe that I expect to drop this Fall.  May be major media changes, NOT Bell but much bigger.
[15:05] <NancyL> The hour is upon us, so will start.
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[15:05] <obany> !notalk
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[15:05] <NancyL> Some of these will be short and quick..
[15:05] <NancyL> BLAIR WITCH
[15:05] <NancyL> 1. the makers of the Blair Witch said they completely fabricted the myth.  http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/blairwitchproject.html   
[15:05] <NancyL> The Zetas say Blaire Witch was not extraterrestrial or done by spirits, but by powerful spirits incarnated in humans who wished to be left alone,
[15:06] <NancyL> ZT: How would it be, that a scenario such as the Blair Witch would make it to the theatre, without a basis in fact behind it?
[15:06] <NancyL> ZT: Dinosaurs are interesting to the public, because of bones.
[15:07] <NancyL> ZT: Ghosts, and hauntings, kidnappings and stalkings, bank robberies and secret love affairs - all because they have a BASIS in fact.
[15:08] <NancyL> ZT: Blair Witch would be without interest, unless real, which it IS, regardless of what the producers decide to announce.
[15:08] <NancyL> ZT: Of course, they did not publish the filming of an actual event.
[15:08] <NancyL> ZT: Of course, they staged the filming.
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[15:08] <NancyL> ZT: But did they get the IDEA, and think it captivating, because it was a real situation?
[15:08] <NancyL> ZT: YES.  
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[15:09] <NancyL> ZT: As this is he-said/she-said, we doubt the issue to be settled just because we-said.
[15:09] <NancyL> End ZT on issue.
[15:09] <NancyL> Onto Q2.
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[15:09] <NancyL> HEISER VS SITCHIN
[15:09] <NancyL> 1.  Recent article on rense.com by Michael Heiser blasts Sitchin interpretation of summarian tablets and pretty much says Sitchin cannot translate ancient Summarian... comments?
[15:10] <NancyL> ZT: It is much the mode at the current moment to havve Pro and Con re the 2003 date and passage predictions.
[15:10] <NancyL> ZT: Wading into the fray is Heiser, a student of Summerian writings, to confront and challenge Sitchen.
[15:11] <NancyL> ZT: Sitchen says 2003 is in no way the date, and Heiser says he finds evidence to support 2003.
[15:11] <NancyL> ZT: Neither has conclusive proof, so there is stands as a stand-off.
[15:11] <NancyL> ZT: An other item in Nancy's Pro/Con table, and not the last before the Fall viewing season, we might add.
[15:12] <NancyL> ZT: What is Heiser's game?  He is finally in the spot-light.
[15:12] <NancyL> End ZT on this issue.
[15:12] <NancyL> Onto Q3.
[15:12] <NancyL> SOLLOG
[15:12] <NancyL> 1. Valid?
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[15:12] <NancyL> ZT: Sollog is another wanting the stage, which no one but himself want to give him.
[15:13] <NancyL> ZT: A self promoter, without any validity whatsoever, he manufactures his predictions after the fact to support his claims.
[15:13] -obany:#ZetaTalk- for those that just joined session started about 13 min ago .. see topic for info
[15:13] <NancyL> ZT: Vague, unspecific, and nebulous, his postings before the fact could fit ANY scenario, which he then makes happen.
[15:14] <NancyL> ZT: He is as valid as a Chinese fortune cookie, as published Horoscopes, to the massees.
[15:14] <NancyL> ZT: ANY of these statements would apply to ANY person, in ANY circumstance, and thus Sollogs predictions.
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[15:15] <NancyL> ZT: Does it rain today or not?  Sollog predicted it, somewhere, or so he says.
[15:15] <NancyL> End ZT on issue.
[15:15] <NancyL> Followup?  I'm going to address the meaty Q's next.
[15:15] <obany> !talk
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[15:15] <grimbot> Ok, everyone can talk now.
[15:15] <uku> NancyL: how do zetas know how to judge the contents of the Blair Witch movie, did they watch the movie in the theater?
[15:15] <Beurling> How marvellous it is to be here and listen to the Angels.
[15:15] <AGreenspan> I suggest, Mr. Zetapal, you either post counter-argument, or lay low. Very low.
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[15:15] <captain_nibiru> what direction is planetx coming, nancy
[15:15] <NancyL> Uku, the Z's read EVERYONE's mind.  So if someone thinks it, or has though about it, they know this.
[15:16] <Zetapal> lol up yours buddy
[15:16] <idol_harobed> Above the Orions bow, I thk.
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[15:16] <NancyL> CaptainNib, check the TOPIC and Path and Coordinates links http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword032.htm
[15:16] <Piet> What do you mean AGreenspan?
[15:17] <captain_nibiru> ok,ty
[15:17] <NancyL> It is NOT coming from Sagitarius, or any such.  Was from Orion, moved into constellation Taurus, and dropping below Ecliptic just ahead of the passage.
[15:17] <MichaelCunningham> Please explain as per your posting in sci.astro this am how Steve Havas observed your planet through a 19 inch telescope without filtering for red?
[15:17] <AGreenspan> That's the answer I was expecting from you.
[15:18] <QueenVee> NancyL: what do you think about what Linda Moulton Hower says about the message embedded in the binary code of the Alien Head crop circle?
[15:18] <NancyL> MC