Session Start: Mon Feb 03 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #EarthChanges
[00:00] <tied2> kobol why?
[00:01] <Kobol> Its quiet
[00:01] * Kobol grins
[00:01] <Kobol> Hey Scooby
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[00:03] <superdave> .eightball
[00:03] <superdave> ahhhhhh!!!
[00:12] <scooby> superdave: tjhere is no notbot
[00:12] <scooby> there
[00:12] <scooby> : (
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[01:05] <scooby> hi swanny
[01:05] <Swanny> hiya scoob
[01:06] <Swanny> nasty business, the rocket crash...
[01:08] <rnthomas> Howdy all...
[01:08] <Swanny> hello
[01:08] <rnthomas> Hey Swammy
[01:09] <Swanny> :)
[01:09] <Swanny> pro or con rnthomas?
[01:09] <rnthomas> Pro... And yourself...
[01:10] * adam is now known as Sceptical_debunker_x
[01:10] <Swanny> cron
[01:10] <Swanny> or proc
[01:10] <rnthomas> Don't understand..
[01:11] <Swanny> I am not taking any chances
[01:11] <rnthomas> That's essentially where I am...
[01:11] <Swanny> i am here after all...
[01:11] <rnthomas> Where is here?
[01:12] <Swanny> in this chat room,silly one :)
[01:12] <Swanny> discussing preps etc
[01:12] <rnthomas> I thought you were meaning California...
[01:12] <rnthomas> Or some place like that...
[01:12] <Swanny> i am entertaining the idea
[01:12] * Sceptical_debunker_x is now known as adam
[01:12] <Swanny> depends who i am talking to
[01:13] <Swanny> and i am telling everyone i meet about what i know...
[01:13] <Swanny> i'm in sydey australia
[01:13] <Swanny> adam: why bother?
[01:14] <rnthomas> Not being into astronomy much, I want to take a telescope and see if I can't find Px or moonlets with my own scope.
[01:14] <Swanny> and what is your expertise?
[01:14] <rnthomas> 6 inch kind...
[01:14] <rnthomas> Terrible, to zippo...
[01:14] <rnthomas> It'll be un...
[01:14] <rnthomas> un = fun.
[01:14] <Swanny> I wish I could be completely convinced
[01:15] <Swanny> yes,my hubby will wait till april, to see before he will act
[01:15] <Swanny> but if it is there...watch him go!
[01:15] <Swanny> he is an ex SAS man
[01:16] <rnthomas> Well, I'll keep my eyes peeled, watching the economy go to hell...
[01:16] <rnthomas> Looking at getting a few supplies together.
[01:16] <Swanny> nasty business this shuttle accident,eh?
[01:17] <rnthomas> Yeah, I figure it was metal fatigue.
[01:17] <Swanny> yes, I am thinking about water first and foremost
[01:17] <Swanny> what? no NASA conspiracy?
[01:18] <Swanny> I would have thought that would be the main topic here..
[01:18] * Kobol wonders if anyone remembers that NASA only recently patched up cracks in there fuel lines instead of replacing them
[01:18] <walt> http://www.survivalistbooks.com/faq/threat.htm Threat analysis
[01:18] <walt> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/ Food storage
[01:18] <walt> http://www.survival-center.com/med-faq/index.htm Survival medical
[01:18] <walt> http://www.nerstrand.net/genfaq2.html Generator
[01:18] <walt> http://jldr.com/faqs.html Outhouse
[01:18] <walt> http://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/sourdoughfaqs.html#sources Sourdough
[01:18] <walt> http://www.ki4u.com/ Potasium Iodide
[01:18] <walt> http://www.radshelters4u.com/ Nuclear blast and fallout
[01:18] <walt> http://www.pipeline.com/~jeriwho/emer_fa3.htm Bio/Ch
[01:18] <rnthomas> I don't think so this time.
[01:19] <Swanny> truth to tell i pay liu\ttle attention to NASA and its goings on.
[01:19] <Swanny> whats all that walt?
[01:19] <Kobol> it was only a couple of months ago
[01:19] <Swanny> and your point is, kobol?
[01:20] <Kobol> the scientific comunity was arguing on wether they should have replaced them when they welded the cracks back up
[01:20] <walt> Those are FAQs
[01:20] <Swanny> well ty walt
[01:20] <Kobol> welding cast/billet-machined alloy is asking for trouble ....ask any boiler maker
[01:20] <Kobol> or welder for that matter
[01:21] <walt> http://members.aol.com/SaveMoDoe2/emergency.htm Water
[01:21] <Swanny> well, they obviously didn't ask any boilermakers, eh?
[01:21] <Kobol> in space the fuel lines freeze and are subject to thermal-shock when the rockets are fired
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[01:21] <Swanny> who was on it? anyone particularly interesting?
[01:22] <Kobol> thermal-shock example put a glass in the freezer for a half hour or so and then take it out and imediatly poor hot water in to it
[01:22] <Kobol> it will shatter
[01:22] <Swanny> I'm surprised noone has accused NASA of doing it on purpose cause some of thepersonnel onboard new sommit and was gonna tell.
[01:23] <walt> http://www.katadyn.net/index.shtml Water filters
[01:23] <Swanny> I know what you are saying kobol, why aren't they saying the same?
[01:24] <Swanny> ty walt
[01:24] <Kobol> NASA did it on the cheap (welding) I dont think it would look good if saving a few bucks killed 7 ppl
[01:24] <Swanny> I don't have enough grunt to check them out and stay online....
[01:24] <Kobol> I cant see NASA admiting to it even if asked directly
[01:24] <walt> http://www.lifewater.ca/ndexman.htm
[01:25] <Swanny> well, the accident didn't look too good to me, saying the truth shouldn't be any worse.
[01:25] <Swanny> me either
[01:25] <Kobol> so far the blame has been placed on foam hitting the left wing
[01:25] <Kobol> at take off
[01:26] <Kobol> or so the media is repoting in australia
[01:26] <Swanny> and the missing tiles?
[01:26] <Swanny> o same thing :)
[01:26] <Swanny> where are you kobol?
[01:26] <Kobol> there is no way to prove they were or wernt
[01:26] <Swanny> where are you going to be?
[01:26] <Kobol> same as u swanny
[01:26] <Kobol> syd
[01:26] <Swanny> syd?
[01:27] <Kobol> gosford way
[01:27] <Swanny> we should rendezvous when planet is visible, eh dood?
[01:27] <Swanny> o
[01:27] <Kobol> yeah
[01:27] <Swanny> Im in Sutherland Shire
[01:27] <Swanny> you got no worries
[01:27] <Swanny> I gotta get over the georges river
[01:27] <Kobol> I want to go up to the Kulnura observitory when it is supposed to be visible
[01:28] <Swanny> Im gonna head south for my birthday april 2
[01:28] <Kobol> kewl
[01:28] <Swanny> to my folks place in Bendigo
[01:28] <Swanny> if we can see it then Im not leaving
[01:28] <Kobol> we should be able to see it for a few minutes in the morning when its due
[01:28] <Kobol> kewl
[01:29] <Swanny> we're pretty broke, it will be a big thing.
[01:29] <Kobol> I'm originally from Vic
[01:29] <Swanny> which direction?
[01:29] <Swanny> me too, born in Melb
[01:29] <Kobol> se
[01:29] <Kobol> clayton
[01:29] <Kobol> SE suburbs
[01:29] <Kobol> seems like a lifetime ago
[01:29] <Swanny> married a NSWelshman
[01:29] <Swanny> to my dismay, he can't leave his precious surf.
[01:30] <Swanny> well, he's gonna see some surf.
[01:30] <Swanny> ew clayton
[01:30] <Kobol> surf in melb leaves NSW beaches for dead
[01:30] <Swanny> burb boy, eh?
[01:30] <Swanny> bit cold
[01:30] <walt> http://www.clorox.com/health/disaster/disaster5.html
[01:30] <Kobol> gunamatta Torquay bells apollo bay
[01:30] <Kobol> phillip island etc
[01:30] <Swanny> aries inlet...
[01:31] <Swanny> I know
[01:31] <Kobol> south parks on
[01:31] <Kobol> w0000t
[01:31] <Swanny> he says its too fn cold
[01:31] <Kobol> lol
[01:31] <Swanny> he is soft in his old age
[01:31] <Swanny> I should buy him a mal
[01:31] <Kobol> I used to surf the winter down there
[01:31] <Swanny> he can surf with the other old farts...hehe
[01:31] <Kobol> didnt feel the cold untill I had lived up here for a few years
[01:31] <Kobol> lol
[01:31] <Swanny> your a nutter then.
[01:32] <Swanny> I been on a board 3 times
[01:32] <Kobol> geek/nutter yes
[01:32] <Swanny> managed to paddle out twice
[01:32] <Kobol> paddling out is the hards
[01:32] <Swanny> got totally smashed of course.
[01:32] <Kobol> hardest
[01:32] <Swanny> then I got pregnant end Swanny's surfing career
[01:32] <Kobol> is scaryist to drop into the wave though
[01:32] <Swanny> I got the duck dive thingy first go np
[01:32] <Kobol> takes a little practise
[01:33] <Kobol> sweat
[01:33] <Kobol> natural
[01:33] <Swanny> but paddling? pfffft just not me.
[01:33] <Kobol> it sucks untill your arms get used to it
[01:33] <Swanny> I fall off if I start to move, fn hopeless
[01:33] <Swanny> well, they are not going to get the opportunity
[01:34] <Swanny> cripple board is enough for me.
[01:34] <Kobol> lol wimp
[01:34] <Swanny> I take the photos
[01:34] <Swanny> he rips the shit
[01:34] <Kobol> practise on the foam
[01:34] <Swanny> and he does when he gets out there
[01:34] <Swanny> thats what he says lol
[01:34] <Kobol> lol
[01:34] <Swanny> I'm too old to learn new things
[01:34] <Kobol> no way
[01:35] <Swanny> I get impatient and frustrated
[01:35] <Kobol> lol
[01:35] <Swanny> impatient to get this poleshift overwith too.
[01:35] <Kobol> try boogie boarding
[01:35] <Kobol> it rocks
[01:35] <Swanny> can't start any new projects until we know what is going on.
[01:36] <Kobol> I wouldnt worry on it swanny
[01:36] <Swanny> that is what I have been talking about boogie=cripple boarding
[01:36] <Kobol> these predictions have been going on for years
[01:36] <Swanny> I hope you are still saying that two months hence I really do.
[01:36] <Kobol> back in the 80's everyone said that by 93 we'd be dead
[01:37] <Swanny> yes, but look around you...
[01:37] <Swanny> don't you feel it?
[01:37] <Kobol> then it was 97 then y2k
[01:37] <Swanny> like a sense of critical mass or something?
[01:37] <Kobol> I felt it in the 80's (I still do) and yes it is getting stronger
[01:37] <Kobol> exactly
[01:37] <Swanny> just say woomera and see how you feel....
[01:37] <Swanny> sommats gotta give.
[01:37] <Swanny> I'd prefer a natural disaster than war
[01:38] <Kobol> but if you worry about the world constantly your energy will be focused on the negative and happiness will elude you
[01:38] <Swanny> we create our own reality, so.......
[01:39] <Kobol> focus on the now
[01:39] <Kobol> enjoy your family's company
[01:39] <Kobol> enjoy your life
[01:39] <Swanny> its all about personal growth.
[01:39] <Kobol> even if you do prepare there is no garuntee you will survive anyway
[01:39] <Kobol> yup
[01:40] <Swanny> and if you live in the now and your days are full of bad moods and bad luck, you start to look up and around you....
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[01:40] <Kobol> is hard to keep the ninth insight in mind when peace and love elude you
[01:40] <Swanny> if anyone is to survive, it will be me and mine...
[01:40] <Swanny> thats why I invite you to come with us.
[01:41] <Swanny> ninth insight?
[01:41] <Kobol> Room 4 three?
[01:41] <Kobol> maybe four if it happens after june
[01:41] <Kobol> :)
[01:41] <Swanny> sure, as long as they can be of use...
[01:41] <Swanny> nah,,, they can come anyway. more the merrier
[01:41] <Kobol> lol
[01:42] <Swanny> its may 15 or bust I'm afraid.
[01:42] <Kobol> I am an engineer/inventor might be of use
[01:42] <Kobol> why may 15
[01:42] <Kobol> ?
[01:42] <Swanny> I'm pretty serious about joining up, if not with you then with others, those who know the most will have better chance...
[01:43] <Swanny> that is the date Nancy was given by the zetas.
[01:43] <Swanny> if they are wrong then I'm over the whole thing.
[01:43] <Kobol> Just so you know I did some calculating on Nancy's figures........its bogus
[01:44] <Swanny> it would make a great April fools joke. That I must admit
[01:44] <Kobol> the planet would have a average radius of 1400+ light years
[01:44] <Kobol> the planets orbit sorry
[01:44] <Kobol> the planet would be travelling faster than half the speed of light
[01:44] <Swanny> I would like to point out that I draw a huge line btwn Nancy and NancyZT
[01:45] <Swanny> and this is a problem?
[01:45] <Swanny> we are in completely new territory here kobol
[01:45] <Swanny> anything could happen.
[01:46] <Swanny> I don't think the laws of physics are worth diddly when we are talking bout this...
[01:46] <Kobol> If its beyond the Kupier Belt (pluto is about 12,000,000,000km's kupier is another 2,ooo,ooo,ooo) in order for it to travel this distance in the 7 odd weeks that has been predicted the planet must break the laws of physics to be on our doorstep in time
[01:46] <Swanny> I've never trusted Newton
[01:47] <Kobol> lol
[01:47] <Swanny> truly, I think the man a con artist
[01:47] <Swanny> ROFL
[01:47] * Swanny cracks herself up
[01:47] <Kobol> I dont disbeleive that this scenario could happen but I think a time frame closer to 10years would be more acurate
[01:47] <Swanny> and I gave my physics teachers hell in highschool
[01:48] <Kobol> me 2
[01:48] <Swanny> it wasn't until university that my objections were tolerated
[01:48] <Kobol> that put me in year10 physics in year 7 cause the teacher couldnt keep up with me and teach the rest of the class
[01:48] <Swanny> everything is tolerated at a good university, thats how things get discovered.
[01:48] <Swanny> lol
[01:48] <Swanny> I just got kicked out.
[01:49] <Kobol> I think to many prof's have closed minds
[01:49] <Kobol> A classic example is Prof Eric Laithewait
[01:49] <Swanny> yes, but that is because they have specialised themselves into such a small focal point.
[01:49] <Swanny> we need that dedication in one area to get the depth of expertise.
[01:50] <Swanny> but it won't work if we dont trust each other and co operate.
[01:50] <Kobol> He found some incredible things about gyroscopes but because he lacked formal education his work was pretty much laughed at
[01:50] <Swanny> communicate.
[01:50] <Swanny> that is my next big issue
[01:50] <Swanny> how many communication channells will be open after poleshift?
[01:50] <Swanny> should we start training pidgeons?
[01:51] <walt> with a 90% die off commo will be pretty hard
[01:51] <Swanny> eric laithwaite, sure...and what about if youdo have the formal education but not the busines acumen?
[01:51] <Swanny> you end up like Nic Tesla
[01:52] <Kobol> You should read the celestine prophercy swanny .......I think you would love it
[01:52] <Swanny> but essential...
[01:52] <Kobol> Tesla was a great man *sniff
[01:52] <Swanny> we need the borg collective
[01:52] <Swanny> yes i have, it is a cute little book
[01:52] <Swanny> go Nic go Tesla its ya birthday
[01:52] <Kobol> Have you read it all?
[01:53] <Swanny> my brother is the next Tesla
[01:53] <Kobol> kewl
[01:53] <Swanny> yup
[01:53] <Kobol> sounds like my cousin
[01:53] <Swanny> ages ago though
[01:53] <Kobol> uber-geek
[01:53] <Swanny> how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
[01:53] <Kobol> 27
[01:54] <Kobol> u?
[01:54] <Swanny> lol twins then
[01:54] <Kobol> :)
[01:54] <Swanny> me 31 april
[01:54] <Swanny> my bro is 27
[01:54] <Swanny> he manages the IT dept at Latrobe uni Bendigo campus
[01:54] <Kobol> wicked
[01:55] <Kobol> I always wanted to go to manash but never did
[01:55] <Swanny> when he gets called to fix some proffessors computer he picks their brains on their particluar field...
[01:55] <Kobol> monash
[01:55] <Swanny> he manages to ask them all really leading questions...
[01:55] <Kobol> kewl
[01:55] <Swanny> Im getting him to check out TT and ask around.
[01:56] <Swanny> he'll get to the bottom of this for me, just straight answers from the experts and we can make our own deductions/interpretations.
[01:56] <Kobol> Most uni prof's will help if they think you'll get something out of it
[01:57] <Swanny> I mean the slowing of the earths rotation is pretty fn major don't you think?
[01:57] <Kobol> trick is finding them
[01:57] <Kobol> Can u prove it?
[01:57] <Swanny> You would expect when asked that someone will notice if it is slowing.
[01:57] <Kobol> our time keeping sys would be thrown in to kaos
[01:58] <Swanny> oh my brother raves about how excited they get when he shows his interest, and they babble to him for hours and invite him to their offices if he has futher ques.
[01:58] * scooby is now known as scooby-zzzz
[01:58] <Kobol> isnt the universe speeding up?
[01:58] <Swanny> and since they all have a pc and microsoft sux, he gets to visit them all.
[01:59] <Swanny> he has told me about some pretty mad conversations.
[01:59] <Swanny> like rotating a particle.
[01:59] <Kobol> what like
[01:59] <Swanny> until it looks the same as in 1st position.
[01:59] <Swanny> some particles have to spin 360 to get back to same.
[01:59] <Swanny> some only 180 and they are same etc.
[02:00] <Kobol> sounds like quantum physics
[02:00] <Swanny> its a big thing apparently, kind of a measure or catagory like valencies.
[02:00] <Swanny> yep quantum physics, love it don't you?
[02:00] <Swanny> I was dreaming about the models used to describe light the other night.
[02:00] * Kobol cant resist readng all he can get his hands on
[02:01] <Swanny> ended up singing Particle Man by They might be giants.,,
[02:01] <Kobol> wave particle ??
[02:01] <Kobol> lol
[02:01] <Swanny> woke up and it was on the radio....looloolooloo
[02:01] <Kobol> :)
[02:01] <Swanny> the wave model and the particle model...
[02:02] <Kobol> thought so :)
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[02:02] <walt> Hi
[02:02] <Swanny> lightbeam, are you a wave or are you a particle?
[02:02] <Swanny> hiya himi...
[02:03] <Swanny> anyone got a good link to a topography of aust east coast?
[02:03] <Swanny> for the complete lay person
[02:03] <Kobol> no sorry I have it all on harddrive
[02:04] <Swanny> perhaps you could pull it up and give us some numbers?
[02:04] <Kobol> yeah shoot
[02:04] <Swanny> if I am still in Sydney and it starts raining red dust which way should I go?
[02:04] <Swanny> up blue mnts way
[02:05] <Swanny> or out beyond mittagong?
[02:05] <Swanny> to the hume
[02:05] <Kobol> I'd head northwest
[02:05] <Swanny> how high is Cronulla or Caringbah?
[02:05] <Kobol> new england hwy out past cesnock
[02:05] <Swanny> parramatta up towards windsor ya reckon
[02:05] <Kobol> and head the back way to bathurst/blackheath etc
[02:06] <Himitsu> hi swanny
[02:06] <Swanny> :) you in USA yet?
[02:06] <Swanny> I don't know NSW that well, I wanna run home to mummy
[02:06] <Himitsu> who me?
[02:07] <Himitsu> nope
[02:07] <Himitsu> March
[02:07] <Himitsu> back in June
[02:07] <Swanny> how does your maps work, what info can you give me kobol?
[02:07] <Swanny> oh right, I thought sunday, but that must have been last sunday return from uk
[02:07] <Kobol> I have topography of nsw and sth queensland and northern vic
[02:07] <Swanny> Kobol, do you know Ravi?
[02:08] <Swanny> Bendigo?
[02:08] <Swanny> that is too central vic I think
[02:08] <Swanny> what is the bottom of your victoria map say?
[02:08] <Kobol> it stops just below echucre
[02:08] <Swanny> and how high is it there?
[02:08] <Kobol> I got them mainly for oceon topography
[02:09] <Swanny> o fair enough.
[02:09] <Kobol> blackheath in the blue mountains seems to be the most likly fo ra safe haven
[02:09] <walt> go to your local airport, they usually have good topo maps
[02:09] <Swanny> we rent here near Botany Bay and BHP
[02:09] <Swanny> oh thanks walt, excellent.
[02:10] <Kobol> there is a hugh gully that runs north of it that looks as though it would acts as a giant breakwater
[02:10] <Swanny> its just too hard for me online, this pc is wimpy
[02:10] <Swanny> a picture takes ages, let alone moving it around etc
[02:10] * Swanny shudders
[02:11] <Swanny> I'd rather be behind the snowys, more familiar running grounds for me.
[02:11] <Swanny> but I may not have the choice.
[02:11] <Swanny> I wonder what the Murray will do?
[02:11] <Swanny> fuck I had forgotten about that.
[02:12] * Swanny apologises for her bad language, she panics
[02:12] <walt> no panicing allowed
[02:14] <Swanny> canna help it sometimes walt
[02:14] <Swanny> I'm pretty impressionable
[02:15] <Kobol> remember what I said b4 about worrying Swanny ;)
[02:15] <Swanny> ya ya,
[02:15] <Kobol> it cant help
[02:16] <Swanny> its the way I seem to operate.
[02:16] <Swanny> I don't budge until there is a fire lit under my ass
[02:16] <Kobol> I'm the same but try otherwise
[02:16] <Swanny> then I go off like a rocket.
[02:16] <Kobol> lol
[02:16] <Swanny> and hopefully I have someone holding on to my feet to steer.
[02:16] * Kobol tries a rope to swanny
[02:16] <Swanny> yes, good advice, thanks dear
[02:17] <Swanny> I was thinking also about the advice to put down any pets.
[02:17] <Swanny> It seems a waste to get rid of them too early
[02:18] <Kobol> I wouldnt
[02:18] <Swanny> I have two horses, and they would feed lots of starving folks when the time came.
[02:18] <Kobol> they will die anyway .....why speed it up
[02:18] <Swanny> exactly, I don't believe in euthenasia for animals
[02:18] <Kobol> when the time comes..........
[02:18] <Swanny> I am sure they can control their own destiny without my interference
[02:19] <Kobol> Humans is OK but animal euthanasia is cruel
[02:19] <Swanny> unless I get strong feelings from a particular individual that is.
[02:19] <Swanny> I'm glad we see eye to eye on this one.
[02:19] <Kobol> ;)
[02:19] <Swanny> I once had a mixo rabbit ask me to kill it.
[02:19] * Kobol is object by nature
[02:19] <Swanny> i was 8 years old
[02:20] <Swanny> and I smashed it against a tree holding its back legs.
[02:20] <Swanny> i cried all day
[02:20] <Swanny> but it was the right thing to do.
[02:20] <Swanny> my family was naturally horrified that this miss priss who wont even touch her brothers lizard could do such a thing.
[02:21] <Himitsu> hi walt
[02:21] <walt> Hi
[02:21] <Swanny> Looking back I wonder myself, although I am a bit of a hard ass now.
[02:22] <Swanny> are you in here much kobol?
[02:22] <Kobol> I think something clicks in you when you see someone die
[02:22] <Swanny> yep it is a big thing
[02:22] <Kobol> started chatting in here only a couple of dayz ago
[02:23] <Kobol> it is
[02:23] <Swanny> yeah I have looked in every now and then, but have spent some hours in here recently
[02:23] <Swanny> my husband says if this thing goes off, he is going straight to the gunshops
[02:24] <Swanny> I think he has a very clear idea of what it will be like with depraved humanity running rampant.
[02:25] <Swanny> and will have no compunction clearing a path and taking what he needs for his 'borg collective' he calls it.
[02:25] <Kobol> I think it will be swift
[02:25] <Swanny> He is a tribal kind of fellow hehe
[02:25] <Swanny> yes, but it will be a nasty couple of days for some.
[02:25] <Kobol> many will die in an instant
[02:26] <Swanny> well, we don't need to worry aobut those.
[02:26] <Swanny> do you tell ppl about this?
[02:26] <Swanny> how is it recieved?
[02:26] <Swanny> do you tell them about Nancy Lieder?
[02:26] <Kobol> yeah I have a local group of ppl that I discuss such things with
[02:26] <Kobol> they told me
[02:27] <Swanny> but what about your workmates, ppl you meet on the street, your family...
[02:27] <Kobol> I found out about Celestine Prophercy and later Ramtha through them
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[02:27] <Kobol> some
[02:27] <Kobol> I'm a bit of an outcast
[02:27] <Swanny> so, you are not out preaching the word per se?
[02:27] <Kobol> Too smart for the surfers
[02:28] <Kobol> Too many theories for the average geek
[02:28] <Swanny> thats no big achievement
[02:28] <Swanny> smarter than a surfer that is
[02:28] <Swanny> most coffee mugs are smarter than surfers
[02:28] * Swanny cracks herself up again
[02:29] <Kobol> I just found most ppl dont enjoy things like Physics (exspecially Quantum) but do it rather as a living
[02:29] <Kobol> the others dont want to know
[02:29] <Swanny> have you read any Deepak Chopra?
[02:29] <Kobol> my brain/thoughts jump around a lot
[02:29] <Swanny> he dooes some good things with quantum physics
[02:30] <Swanny> my dad is a maths and physics teacher for yr 11 and 12
[02:30] <Swanny> I gave him a dr deepak book and he will now discuss the merits of meditation.
[02:30] <Kobol> did u see the experiment Aussie scientist recreated an atomic particle
[02:30] <Swanny> he doesn't practice it yet, but he is giving it floor space which is a huge leap for him.
[02:31] <Kobol> closest thing to Scotty and his beaming bench
[02:31] <Swanny> no
[02:31] <Swanny> please explain?
[02:32] <Kobol> A particle was recorded digitally and its structure was sent via a phone line to be recreated in another location
[02:32] <Swanny> wow I love that.
[02:32] <Swanny> I like the idea of creating two identical boxes, atomically IDENTICAL
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[02:33] <Swanny> and if you step inside one box.
[02:33] <Kobol> It it is but it isnt
[02:33] <Swanny> you can step out of the other box.
[02:33] <Swanny> yeah, it just reminded me.
[02:33] <Swanny> its more like wonkavision
[02:33] <Swanny> right?
[02:34] <Kobol> It has the same flaw of Quantum physics when you record the source it changes
[02:34] <Swanny> er :P lost
[02:35] <Kobol> wonkavision is spot on though the data was never transmited via electromagnetic waves
[02:35] <Swanny> right.
[02:35] <Kobol> just a phone line
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[02:35] <Kobol> It cant dissappear (if you believe Einstein & Newtonian Physics) but changes
[02:36] <Kobol> Its a destructive system , so to speak
[02:37] <Swanny> right, like some analysis tests, they have to alter the subject as part of the test.
[02:37] <Swanny> like burn it
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[02:37] <Kobol> just looking at a quantum partic changes it
[02:37] <Swanny> bummer.
[02:37] <Swanny> sensitive little doods arent they
[02:38] <Kobol> this is where it gets kinda fuzzy and there is a lot of debate on who MAY be right
[02:38] <Swanny> because a quantum particle is a theoretical measurment of energy really.
[02:39] <Kobol> It's a debate that stems back to the beginging of the universe
[02:39] <Kobol> What are we made of
[02:39] <Kobol> Energy?
[02:39] <Kobol> Light?
[02:39] <Swanny> exactly, and everything is based on an issue that isn't decided.
[02:39] <Swanny> therefore everything can be considered as STILL UP IN THE AIR
[02:39] <Kobol> thats exactly right
[02:39] <Kobol> yup
[02:39] <Swanny> tell that to Himi
[02:40] <Kobol> lol
[02:40] <Kobol> lmao
[02:40] <Swanny> he left me to go to sleep just when I was waxing lyrical on quantum physics the other night.
[02:40] <Swanny> I was talking about chakras and spin
[02:40] <Kobol> dont you hate that
[02:41] <Swanny> in terms of quantum physics.
[02:41] <Kobol> you get on a roll .....
[02:41] <Kobol> I love talking about it
[02:41] <Swanny> exactly.
[02:41] <Swanny> well, you'd love this...
[02:42] <Kobol> Its one of those subjects which may never be answered fully
[02:42] <Kobol> Thats another theory on it
[02:43] <Swanny> apparently, to get back to the rotation of a partical story and my bro and the proffs
[02:43] <Kobol> yeah
[02:43] <Swanny> there are some particles that can't be described in this rotation manner, causing huge debate among the great minds
[02:44] <Swanny> well Andrew had been thinking about this and he said to this guy,
[02:44] <Kobol> muon-nuetrino's </bad bad spelling>
[02:44] <Swanny> what if your particle was shaped like a tennis racquet with a smiley face sticker on the base of the handle
[02:44] <Kobol> lol
[02:45] <Swanny> and you flip a tennis racquet twice to get it back to its original identical logos.
[02:45] <Kobol> yeah rotation on two points
[02:46] <Swanny> or a doughnut that is constantly rotating withing itself, the icing going around up through the middle and around etc.
[02:46] <Swanny> and you rotate that puppy.
[02:47] <Swanny> this proffessor went silent and had to go away and think on this.
[02:47] <Swanny> it was more involved but the rest went over my head.
[02:47] <Swanny> im a visual person, if I can't grab a visual metaphor I have trouble retaining info.
[02:48] <Kobol> what if it isnt rotation as such ( I have been thinking of this of late) but a pattern the particle is travelling through
[02:48] <Kobol> that isnt right
[02:48] <Kobol> I can picture it but is stuck in thought
[02:48] <Swanny> ok, like spinning in the infinity symboy
[02:48] <Swanny> or a clover leaf
[02:49] <Swanny> its own set little orbit?
[02:49] <Kobol> like a sphere of infinante possibilities
[02:49] <Swanny> see, the thing is with these particles, we cannot measure them, only the effects they have on other things.
[02:50] <Swanny> and if they change when under observation they must be like "organic particles"
[02:50] <Kobol> imagine two rings rotating side by side
[02:50] <Swanny> that makes them immeasureable and should be named as something new and undeterminable an left at that
[02:50] <Swanny> yeah ok....
[02:51] <Swanny> parallel? same direction?
[02:51] <Kobol> The rings when spun in unison will move without collision until one or the other speads up
[02:51] <Kobol> or slows down
[02:52] <Swanny> like if you stuck two bits of glow in the dark chewing gum on each the inside and outside rim of a car tyre at night.
[02:53] <Swanny> how does speeding up or slowing down alter the direction?
[02:53] <Kobol> I'm frucking the point I'm getting too
[02:53] <Kobol> it takes it in and out of phase with the particles around us
[02:53] <Kobol> around it
[02:54] <Swanny> mmm keep going..
[02:54] <Kobol> say you speed up the particle to a threshhold it would appear to dissapear
[02:54] <Swanny> like a wave node?
[02:55] <Kobol> it would still be there but it would not interact physically
[02:55] <Kobol> yeah like a wave node
[02:55] <Swanny> I'm trying...
[02:56] <Kobol> not exactly but like
[02:56] <Swanny> I've got in my head two hoola hoops rolling down a hill, this is the particle.
[02:57] <Swanny> side by side
[02:57] <Swanny> and this is where I get confused...
[02:57] <Kobol> its hard to explain in a physical world
[02:57] <Swanny> is it like turning a wheelchair? do the rings have interaction.
[02:57] <Swanny> no shit sherlock
[02:58] <Kobol> when they spin at the same speed they can influence the particles around it
[02:58] <Swanny> but you arent' doing a bad job, I can sense the sense here I just gotta form the image.
[02:58] <Swanny> yep I gotcha I think.
[02:58] <Kobol> when they spin at different speeds they cannot
[02:59] <Swanny> like whatching a film of a helicopeter blade in rotation,
[02:59] <Kobol> like they pass through each other as if one was a ghhost
[03:02] <Swanny> you've lost me again.
[03:02] <Kobol> occasionally one would collide and influence the reality it was originally in but it would be rare and the collision would be as for two radio frequancies crossing paths a little EM distortion but little else
[03:02] <Kobol> brb bub is crying
[03:03] <Swanny> sure
[03:08] <Swanny> pm me when you get back so that it goes ding.
[03:08] <Swanny> how old is les infants?
[03:08] <Swanny> I've a ten month old boy, Stanley.
[03:12] <Kobol> Swanny
[03:13] <Kobol> almost 2
[03:14] <Swanny> awwwww.
[03:15] <Kobol> change and bottle=bliss
[03:15] <Swanny> I gotta go,mine still nite feeding an you reminded me i;m not readt
[03:15] <Swanny> he wil wake soon
[03:16] <Swanny> lol i know wat u mean
[03:16] <Kobol> does he wake just the once?
[03:16] <Swanny> we are also getting teeth
[03:16] <Swanny> yes at about 11pm then up at 6 thir
[03:16] * Kobol knows that trauma
[03:16] <Swanny> ty
[03:16] <Kobol> sweet
[03:16] <Kobol> my girl was the same
[03:17] <Swanny> but lately, poor bubba, he is getting the top side ones before the middle, it looks to be hurting him.
[03:17] <Kobol> actually got some sleep 90% of the time
[03:17] <Swanny> he has been coming to bed with us about 3am
[03:17] <Swanny> pain in the ass, but I don't really mind.
[03:17] <Kobol> I liked it
[03:17] <Swanny> I like cuddling him.
[03:17] <Swanny> lol
[03:18] <Kobol> never seem to sleep deeply
[03:18] <Swanny> anyway, I got to get some formula from the shops.. gotta go
[03:18] <Kobol> k cya
[03:18] <Swanny> byeeeeee
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[09:11] <Karl> Hello
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[09:20] <monk> hello
[09:31] <Dsarith> Good Morning Tied
[09:32] <tied2> Hi Dsarith
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[15:43] <vn> hello
[15:43] <vn> so u get banned if you idle 10 hours in #poleshiftdiscussion ?
[15:50] <raincity> or less...i think.
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[15:59] <vn> earlier they told me I can log the chat if I use away nick
[16:00] <vn> then I logged the chat and now i'm banned....
[16:01] <vn> hehehe unbelievable even to have such rules
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[16:12] <Terminal> hey Swanny
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[16:22] <Swanny> hiya Terminal
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[16:41] <tied2> «§» Hello «§»
[16:41] <Terminal> hello!
[16:45] <tied2> terminal whats up?
[16:46] <Terminal> listening to the shuttle edition of coasttocoast
[16:46] <Terminal> yourself?
[16:47] <tied2> on-line?
[16:48] <Terminal> not live, but yes, online
[16:49] <tied2> oh
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[17:18] <GalacticExplorer> Hello
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[17:20] <Kobol> Hi All
[17:21] <GalacticExplorer> Hi Kobol
[17:21] <Kobol> quiet again?
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[18:23] <Kobol> Hi All
[18:23] <GalacticExplorer> Hi
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[18:23] <tied2> «§» Hello «§»
[18:23] <GalacticExplorer> Hello
[18:24] <Terminal> «§» Hello tide2 «§»
[18:24] <Terminal> *tied2 :)
[18:26] <tied2> whats nude?
[18:26] <tied2> I mean new?
[18:27] <Terminal> some new audiophiles - www.darkinsight.com/audio
[18:27] <GalacticExplorer> Good typo
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[18:27] <Terminal> lol
[18:27] <GalacticExplorer> LoL
[18:27] <tied2> kewl
[18:28] <GalacticExplorer> 200+MB it is kewl
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[18:29] <GalacticExplorer> And he is back to away .....
[18:30] <Terminal> didnt last long
[18:31] <GalacticExplorer> Nope
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[20:09] <sully> hello friends!
[20:10] <Terminal> hello!
[20:11] <sully> I was here a 2 week ago, uzbechistani guy, I hopes you remember
[20:11] <sully> sorry for my english, I am still learning
[20:12] <Terminal> i dont think i was here last time you were in
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[20:12] <sully> ahh, it is very nice to meet you
[20:12] <Terminal> you too :)
[20:13] <sully> I am translator for american geologists, what do you do?
[20:13] <Terminal> computer software
[20:14] <sully> very cool, I am learning computers more and more. One day I hope to learn to do software too, I am just starting with linux
[20:16] <Terminal> that's cool. i dont know linux very well
[20:16] <Terminal> i plan to learn it though
[20:17] <sully> we only have old windows and DOS at home, our computers our very very old
[20:17] <sully> hmm, I our and are, which is right word? :)
[20:19] <Terminal> are is good :)
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[20:20] <sully> you would say: are computers are?
[20:21] <sully> I like english very much, but these words trouble me
[20:21] <Terminal> our computers are
[20:21] <sully> I learn much here :) You are very nice people. Are you american?
[20:22] <Terminal> im australian, its cool :) most are american though
[20:22] <Terminal> thanks btw
[20:22] <sully> ahh, australian is? I do not know this word
[20:22] <Terminal> from australia
[20:22] <Terminal> are you aware of the poleshift?
[20:22] <sully> one sec, I look up :)
[20:22] <Terminal> ok
[20:22] <sully> ahhh!
[20:23] <sully> yes Im sorry, I knew this word
[20:23] <Terminal> no problem
[20:23] <sully> I do not mean to offend
[20:23] <Terminal> are you aware of the poleshift?
[20:24] <sully> I read of this yes, but I am sorry I do not understand all that reads
[20:24] <Terminal> ok
[20:24] <GalacticExplorer> There are several links to translated sites on zetatalk
[20:24] <sully> I only start learning english last year
[20:24] <GalacticExplorer> Hi Sully
[20:24] <sully> hello GalacticExplorer
[20:25] <sully> I do not know is in Uzbech?
[20:25] <GalacticExplorer> do you speak Russian? there is one with Russian translation
[20:25] <sully> I am not offended if it is not :) We are few people
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[20:26] <sully> I speak some russian yes
[20:26] <sully> I speak english better, I can read no russian
[20:26] <sully> russians bad :)
[20:26] <GalacticExplorer> Really. WHy?
[20:27] <sully> Russians conquer us! Make us communists!
[20:27] <sully> poison our land
[20:27] <GalacticExplorer> And now you are better off?
[20:27] <sully> yes, at least troubles our own troubles, yes?
[20:28] <sully> I grow up uzbech, not soviet
[20:28] <GalacticExplorer> Yeah but do you have less troubles now?
[20:28] <GalacticExplorer> How old are you?
[20:28] <sully> I do not know, I am only 22
[20:28] <GalacticExplorer> So am I
[20:28] <sully> some old people, they say things better then. But they are lazy
[20:29] <sully> they say americans are bad too
[20:29] <GalacticExplorer> because they have something to compare
[20:29] <GalacticExplorer> :-)
[20:29] <sully> yes
[20:29] <GalacticExplorer> And you think they are not telling the truth?
[20:29] <sully> they do not know much of america, what they know is wrong
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[20:30] <sully> they think america has a king
[20:30] <GalacticExplorer> what about you? You never lived during soviet union rulling, you don't know anything about it
[20:31] <sully> I know that they poison land, and we cannot grow food
[20:31] <GalacticExplorer> Hmm. How did they poison food?
[20:31] <sully> um, let me look up word, is stuff used to make plants grow?
[20:31] <GalacticExplorer> And what was growing in Uzbekistan?
[20:31] <sully> kill bugs?
[20:32] <GalacticExplorer> I know what you mean.
[20:32] <GalacticExplorer> Pesticide
[20:32] <sully> yes, is called DDT?
[20:32] <GalacticExplorer> Yes DDT is pretty bad stuff
[20:32] <GalacticExplorer> But still what was growing in Uzb, that is not growing now?
[20:32] <sully> cotten
[20:33] <sully> is right word? white ball on plant stick
[20:33] <sully> I sound silly :) I write that and it look silly to me too
[20:34] <sully> make clothes from it. Also wheat
[20:34] <GalacticExplorer> Aga Ok
[20:34] <sully> now people cannot live in those places, but is not all bad
[20:35] <sully> what job do you do? I am sorry for not asking
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[20:36] <GalacticExplorer> I am working for aviation company
[20:36] <sully> do not tell me, I look this up :)
[20:36] <sully> ahh! flying airplanes?
[20:37] <GalacticExplorer> No. I am dealing mith maps for pilots
[20:37] <sully> you make maps?
[20:37] <GalacticExplorer> Yes
[20:37] <sully> I work with maps too
[20:37] <sully> geology maps
[20:37] <GalacticExplorer> I make different kind of maps, airway maps
[20:38] <sully> maps of skys yes?
[20:38] <GalacticExplorer> yes
[20:38] <sully> we have maps of airwrites, where we are allowed to fly helicoptors and airplanes to different places
[20:39] <GalacticExplorer> I can become a pilot very easily, its free for me:-)
[20:39] <sully> this is very good
[20:40] <GalacticExplorer> Where are you working sully, I mean the place
[20:40] <sully> I work for uzbechistani oil company
[20:40] <sully> is national oil company of country
[20:41] <GalacticExplorer> Are you in UZB right now?
[20:41] <sully> oh no, I am in america until march of this year
[20:41] <sully> in washington DC
[20:41] <GalacticExplorer> And what are you working on?
[20:42] <sully> I am translator for american geologists for uzbech oil company
[20:42] <sully> they cannot read what is sent to them
[20:42] <sully> and I translate for them when we go to my country doing survey
[20:42] <sully> I speak many many languages!
[20:43] <GalacticExplorer> But are those geologists work here too in DC I mean?
[20:43] <GalacticExplorer> How many languages?
[20:43] <sully> they are field geologists
[20:43] <sully> I speak 7!
[20:43] <sully> plus some chinese and some russian
[20:43] <GalacticExplorer> Thats good!
[20:44] <sully> not enough yet, I wish to speak spanish next, but I learn english better first
[20:44] <sully> it is very pretty
[20:44] <sully> how many languages do you speak?
[20:45] <GalacticExplorer> 2
[20:45] <Terminal> 7? cool, I speak 1
[20:45] <sully> haha, you speak english! Everyone speak english
[20:45] <GalacticExplorer> Yeah he is one of those linguist guys
[20:45] <Terminal> yeah thats the one
[20:46] <sully> my mother is teacher, and you must speak many where I live. Is what I love about america, everyone speaks same language
[20:46] <GalacticExplorer> You haven't seen all America
[20:47] <Terminal> im 17 years old, so that can be my excuse for now
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[20:47] <sully> no I have not, I will go to texas tomorrow
[20:48] <sully> what languages do you speak?
[20:48] <GalacticExplorer> Terminal: You and Shaman are a young bunch in here
[20:49] <GalacticExplorer> Russian and English
[20:49] <sully> oh very good :)
[20:49] <sully> are you russian?
[20:49] <GalacticExplorer> Yes
[20:49] <sully> I do not mean to offend if I did
[20:49] <Terminal> I speak English, English, and a language called English
[20:49] <sully> were you soviet russian?
[20:50] <GalacticExplorer> I am the same age as you are. Didn't get a chance to taste what its really like
[20:50] <sully> this is good
[20:50] <GalacticExplorer> to be in the soviet union. I lived in Estonia
[20:51] <sully> ahh yes, I know estonia
[20:51] <GalacticExplorer> But the stuff when you said that Russian people are bad, ... it kind of ticked me off a little
[20:51] <sully> I have been to novosibirsk, and to airport in moscow :)
[20:51] <sully> is OK, you not like uzbechs either
[20:51] <sully> we look as chechans
[20:52] <GalacticExplorer> We hate chechens. And you know why.
[20:52] <sully> Yes, we hate chechans too
[20:52] <sully> and tajiks
[20:52] <sully> and hazarazs
[20:53] <GalacticExplorer> Lets not talk about who we hate, ok.
[20:53] <sully> hehe
[20:53] <sully> is OK
[20:53] <sully> Is home, yes? Am not at home
[20:53] <GalacticExplorer> I am in Denver USA
[20:53] <GalacticExplorer> It is my home yes
[20:53] <sully> is what I like about america
[20:54] <GalacticExplorer> I moved here 7 years ago
[20:54] <sully> from estonia?
[20:54] <GalacticExplorer> yes
[20:54] <GalacticExplorer> I was born in Kazakhstan though ...
[20:55] <sully> ahh! As russian or kazakhstani?
[20:55] <GalacticExplorer> Russian
[20:55] <sully> ahh, is OK, we hate kazakhstani too :) haha
[20:56] <sully> we hat other uzbechs too, so, you not alone
[20:56] <GalacticExplorer> :-)
[20:56] <sully> I meet good people in novosibirsk, very nice
[20:57] <sully> very COLD novosibirsk, but very good people
[20:58] <GalacticExplorer> sully it was nice talking to you, but I have to go to sleep
[20:58] <GalacticExplorer> Good night
[20:58] <sully> good night
[20:58] <sully> it was very nice meeting you, I am sorry if I offend. I hate soviet, not russians
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[20:59] <Galactic-Away> No problem sully
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[23:07] <humvee> hello
[23:07] <Terminal> hi
[23:07] <humvee> anybody from california here?
[23:09] <humvee> want 2 find link 2 listen to nancy on KROQ morning show
[23:14] <Terminal> let me know if you find one
[23:26] <humvee> ok looking
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