Session Start: Sun Dec 01 14:09:11 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[14:09] * Topic is 'Saturday Nov.30: ZetaTalk Session w/ Nancy Lieder begins 2:30pm CST, 3:30pm EST, 20:30 UTC. Questions must be submitted 1hr before during Pre-ZetaTalk Chat, which begins 1:30pm CST, 2:30pm EST, 19:30 UTC.'
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[14:09] -ChanServ- (#poleshiftdiscussion) Welcome to the SHIFT2003 CHAT ROOM. Moderator: QueenVee59@hotmail.com.
[14:09] <QueenVee> oh, hello
[14:09] <QueenVee> welcome
[14:09] <QueenVee> hi ogmios
[14:09] <raincity> hey
[14:09] <QueenVee> as you can see, some people in here also hang out in the tt channel
[14:09] <raincity> right.
[14:10] <QueenVee> nancy does a zetatalk session in here every saturday
[14:10] <raincity> There are chats in here once a week?
[14:10] <raincity> ok.
[14:10] <QueenVee> but the room is open 24/7.....
[14:10] <QueenVee> and people come here to chat all the time
[14:10] <QueenVee> it tends to be more busy than the tt channel
[14:11] <raincity> ..and the main difference between the two channels?
[14:11] <QueenVee> #troubled_times started out to be what this channel is -- a chat room where people could discuss preparation for the poleshift and aftertime....
[14:11] <obany> well over here you can't discuss if zetatalk is for real or not...
[14:12] <QueenVee> but it has now become predominately a place where people debate whether zetatalk and the poleshift are legitimate
[14:12] <QueenVee> which is fine
[14:12] <raincity> ah, ok.  Troubled Times in more of a "debate" channel.
[14:12] <QueenVee> but people in here are tired of the debate....
[14:12] <QueenVee> and want to move beyond it and talk about preparation --whether it's going to happen or not
[14:12] <QueenVee> so you don't have to be a "true believer" with no doubts to hang out here...
[14:13] <QueenVee> just someone who takes it all seriously enough that you are preparing.
[14:13] <raincity> Well, I know what zetatalk say about Seattle area...so perhaps I should think about moving.
[14:13] <QueenVee> and you can debate the merits of zetatalk all you want in #troubled_times
[14:14] <raincity> There has been unusual earthquake activity up here.
[14:14] <QueenVee> where's up here/
[14:14] <QueenVee> alaska?
[14:14] <raincity> Seattle.
[14:14] <QueenVee> ah, yes, seattle
[14:14] <QueenVee> unusual quake activity all over
[14:14] <raincity> I never felt an earthquake before, until that last big one.
[14:14] <QueenVee> me either, to date
[14:15] <QueenVee> five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8); and nine more today (highest 5.8). and a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[14:15] <Ogmios> also volcanic activity high
[14:15] <QueenVee> bizarre weather, natural disasters, all predicted by zetatalk years ago
[14:15] <raincity> It does seem that way.
[14:15] <Ogmios> etna still active
[14:15] <QueenVee> people in this channel monitor stuff like that on a daily basis
[14:17] <raincity> Is anyone who comes here considered the "most" prepared?
[14:17] <QueenVee> some people are more prepared than others
[14:17] <QueenVee> i can think of a few that i would consider "most prepared"....
[14:18] <raincity> I'm just wondering if anyone has completely committed to their plans...with only a few months to go.
[14:18] <Ogmios> was zico here on saturday?
[14:18] <QueenVee> most have prepared detailed plans that can be put into place as soon as things get more serious
[14:19] <QueenVee> not many are prepared to make a large financial investment at this point, though some have
[14:19] <QueenVee> some have already relocated
[14:19] <raincity> If I see Raineer getting active...I'll be out of here so quick.
[14:19] <Ogmios> !seen Zico
[14:19] <QueenVee> yes, Zico was here
[14:19] <QueenVee> be back in 2 minutes
[14:19] <Ogmios> ok. i know him
[14:20] <Ogmios> i have met irl
[14:20] <Ogmios> we talked about earthquakes and poleshift then
[14:21] <Ogmios> also met his sister Dance
[14:22] <Ogmios> Dance visited few times in #tt
[14:25] <QueenVee> i'm back
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[14:25] <QueenVee> raincity: yes, we all have our set point at which we will jump into action
[14:26] <QueenVee> hello JP
[14:26] <Ogmios> possible that i team up with zico
[14:26] <Ogmios> and few other ppl
[14:26] <Ogmios> also met them irl
[14:26] <QueenVee> i'm sure it will come together for you Ogmios
[14:26] <JP> Heloo All
[14:26] <QueenVee> JP: not seen you here before, what brings you to this channel?
[14:27] <JP> Interest in the coming times
[14:27] * Looking up JP user info...
[14:27] <QueenVee> how did you find out about zetatalk and this channel?
[14:28] <JP> Art Bell and Nancy inerviews
[14:28] <JP> interviews
[14:28] <QueenVee> and how seriously do you take it at this point? have you read much of the zetatalk material?
[14:29] <JP> pretty serious - instinct tells me - something is happening
[14:29] <QueenVee> yes, inner knowledge is something a lot of us are relying on
[14:30] <QueenVee> what part of the world do you live in?
[14:30] <JP> have read a fair bit over the last few months - Colorado
[14:31] <QueenVee> Colorado's a good spot -- except everybody's going to be flocking there
[14:31] <QueenVee> think you'll stay put, or move on?
[14:32] <JP> There are lots of places unoccupied within 250 of Denver - there will be room after I suppose
[14:33] <JP> for now stay put  there is probably no safer place
[14:33] <QueenVee> true enough
[14:34] <QueenVee> JP: at the very least you know you have a good chance of surviving the shift itself
[14:35] <JP> Hoping mitigation might allow some food into the US to be distributed but I am concerned
[14:35] <QueenVee> Mitigation?
[14:35] <QueenVee> distributed by who?
[14:35] <QueenVee> i don't follow
[14:36] <JP> Hope so -  I heard Nancy say there could more or less dire outcomes depending on free will - Distribution by survivors
[14:36] <JP> like worse case scenarios or better case scenarios -  there may mitigation by unseen forces too
[14:36] <JP> be
[14:38] <QueenVee> zetas have made it clear that there will be no assistance from the outside in that regard
[14:39] <QueenVee> the big lesson of the shift is learning cooperation
[14:39] <JP> There are our natural helpers? maybe  Angels and the such? perhaps
[14:40] <QueenVee> in other words, you hope for mircales
[14:40] <QueenVee> miracles
[14:40] <JP> A much needed lesson to be sure, but still hoping for the better angels in man to outdo the selfish ones.  Polyanna?
[14:40] <QueenVee> no, THAT is not pollyanna
[14:41] <QueenVee> i too have much faith that humans will rise to the occasion
[14:41] <QueenVee> to help themselves and each other
[14:41] <JP> not so much miracles as natural outcomes of the good and precious ones (poeple) and their free will
[14:41] <JP> cool,, here's hoping for the best in humans ro rise up
[14:42] <QueenVee> i was just cautioning against expectations of "rescue" so to speak
[14:42] <JP> no not figuring on nayone rescuing me
[14:43] <QueenVee> only those able to cooperate and work collectively for the common good will surive in the long run
[14:43] <QueenVee> those with an STS orientation may be a problem at first, but they will quickly die off
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[14:43] <QueenVee> hi monk
[14:43] <monk> hello yall
[14:43] <QueenVee> Monk: meet JP, he's in Colorado
[14:44] <JP> hoping to lay low and survive awhile - I am in the countryside and hoping to gain bearings awhile
[14:44] <QueenVee> and meet Raincity, he's in Seattle
[14:44] <raincity> hi
[14:44] <JP> Hello
[14:44] <monk> Hi JP im here in california
[14:44] <JP> Hi  I'm from Fresno originally
[14:44] <monk> I live in Riverside
[14:45] <QueenVee> latest quake news, for those interested: five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8); and nine more today (highest 5.8). and a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[14:45] <JP> I miss going to Newport Beach
[14:46] <JP> There also seems to be a bunch more spectacular Meteors in COlorado 5 in the last 3 weeks have made the news
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[14:46] <JP> not counting the russian rocket re-entry
[14:47] <QueenVee> superzod: hi
[14:47] <QueenVee> yes, heard about those
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[14:47] <zod> Hi QWueen .  An ything new
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[14:48] <QueenVee> latest quake news: five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8); and nine more today (highest 5.8). and a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[14:48] * Looking up zod user info...
[14:48] <JP> I have a question for anyone - Did I see that the Zetas thought there might still be an Internet afterwards?
[14:48] <QueenVee> that makes 14 quakes off the coast of Japan in two days, all 5.0 and higher
[14:48] <raincity> Shortwave, I think.
[14:49] <zod> Shit!   Its ha[[enming.  What site can I read about these quakes
[14:49] <QueenVee> zod: this is the best site: http://www.emsc-csem.org/cgi-bin/ALERT_all_messages.sh
[14:49] <monk> zod: Its been happening for a while
[14:49] <QueenVee> as you know, the USGS is habitually underreporting quakes now
[14:50] <JP> oh ok shortware instead of an Internet?  I guess the internet's backbone will be downed
[14:50] <QueenVee> JP: the internet thing, i'm not sure; i suggest you do a search of the site
[14:50] <JP> shortwave I mean
[14:50] <zod> Has any of it hit the main news yet
[14:50] <QueenVee> zod: dunno, haven't looked yet
[14:51] <JP> http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t61.htm   for Internet survival
[14:52] <QueenVee> zod: if they are far enough offshore that they are not seriously felt in populated areas, they are usually ignored by the media
[14:52] <monk> nice to meet all you new people im gonna logoff ill be back later
[14:52] <JP> bye
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[14:52] <zod> Oh Boy!
[14:53] <QueenVee> ha: the USGS site doesn't even show any quakes today, and shows only one yesterday. incredible.
[14:53] <obany> mmm indeed
[14:54] <QueenVee> well, only one in Alaska (4.0), so that seems to be slowing down now....
[14:54] <raincity> They'll probably just tell people that their data is not real time.
[14:54] <zod> Has anyone l;ooked at this UK earthquake site  yet http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/quakexe/quakes
[14:55] <QueenVee> Raincity: what they started doing in the last few months is putting together several quakes in the same area, averaging out their intensities, and then call it one quake
[14:55] <zod> Ahhhh..the sire is down :(
[14:55] <QueenVee> the site? which site?
[14:55] <zod> sire=site
[14:55] <zod> http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/quakexe/quakes
[14:56] <raincity> Ah, I see.  Because individuals wouldn't know the difference...they felt only one event.
[14:56] <QueenVee> no, zod, i just got on
[14:56] <raincity> they can get away with it.
[14:56] <JP> I wonder how they will deny the visible planet at the end of March?
[14:56] <QueenVee> Raincity: well, even worse than that. they sometiimes bundle quakes that are MILES apart from each other....
[14:57] <zod> er...no earthquake map.  Also this sitre is now showing a map either http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/updates/russell/htdocs/rotd.html
[14:57] <QueenVee> zod: APOLOGIES. YOU'RE RIGHT.
[14:57] <QueenVee> Raincity: the suspicious thing is that the USGS didn't used to do that, so they can't claim that it's just the way they report quakes.....
[14:58] <QueenVee> they just started doing that
[14:58] <QueenVee> Raincity: do you know who Tom Brown Jr is, the wilderness tracker guy?
[14:59] <raincity> No, I haven't heard of him.
[14:59] <JP> I have heard of him
[14:59] <QueenVee> JP: they are already gearing up with excuses for what is in the sky in April....
[14:59] <zod> What about these Volcanos then.  worth a peep.  http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/current_volcs/current.html
[14:59] <QueenVee> they've announced that the other red planet -- mars -- will be the closest to the earth then than it has ever been
[14:59] <QueenVee> so get ready for "nah, it's just mars".....
[15:00] <raincity> right, I think it will be closest in August.
[15:00] <raincity> ...and it is red...
[15:00] <QueenVee> or, "nah, it's just a comet"....
[15:00] <JP> oh - I'm hoping there are enough educated and open poeple to tell them they are wrong  it's not Mars
[15:01] <QueenVee> Raincity: well, Tom Brown Jr is a well known wilderness expert, and i thought you'd be interested in something he recently reported about  government plans for Seattle....
[15:01] <raincity> ok
[15:01] <QueenVee> i'm going to put moderation mode on for a minute while i post it
[15:01] * QueenVee sets mode: +m
[15:01] <QueenVee> The following sobering information is from a 1998 interview with
[15:01] <QueenVee> famed tracker/wilderness instructor Tom Brown Jr.
[15:01] <QueenVee> "...the state of Washington hired me to come to Seattle one year to
[15:02] <QueenVee> be part of a think tank. And the challenge for that year was to find
[15:02] <QueenVee> ways to evacuate the people of Seattle if there was an atomic bomb
[15:02] <QueenVee> threat.... They were trying to figure out how to get the people
[15:02] <QueenVee> across those bridges off the sound and up over the mountains into
[15:02] <QueenVee> those valleys beyond the mountains where they would be safe from fall-
[15:02] <QueenVee> out. We had three days to sit and think and talk and there were four
[15:02] <QueenVee> or five other men there that were brought from around the country. I
[15:02] <QueenVee> mostly listened. I didn't have a whole lot to say about it.
[15:02] <QueenVee> "But we came up with an evacuation plan. [After the civil defense
[15:02] <QueenVee> people read our evacuation plan] they decided that the people in
[15:02] <QueenVee> Seattle had reached such a state of helplessness that there would be
[15:02] <QueenVee> no point in rescuing them. Their conclusion was -- and there's
[15:02] <QueenVee> official documentation on it even to this very day -- seal the
[15:02] <QueenVee> bridges and leave them there. They wouldn't know what to do when they
[15:02] <QueenVee> got them to safety. So they said, tell everybody to just stay in your
[15:02] <QueenVee> homes. That's the answer, trust us."
[15:02] <QueenVee> END OF QUOTE
[15:02] * QueenVee sets mode: -m
[15:03] <raincity> Well, if you've ever been in our traffic...you'd probably give up on moving us.
[15:03] <raincity> it's impossible.
[15:03] <JP> I've seen where Outside of Denver will be the seat of the new gov also
[15:03] <raincity> We can barely move to work each day.
[15:04] <QueenVee> JP: yes
[15:04] <raincity> And, we rejected new taxes for more highways.
[15:04] <QueenVee> govt bunkers in colorado and indiana
[15:04] <raincity> we are screwed.
[15:04] <QueenVee> well, i'm sure the plans for other cities are not much different
[15:04] <JP> Come "camping" to Colorado in May - plenty of room in the mountains for sure
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[15:05] <QueenVee> at least the coastal cities
[15:05] * Looking up Clipper user info...
[15:05] <QueenVee> hey clipper!
[15:05] <Clipper> Morning :-)
[15:05] <obany> how are you ?
[15:06] <QueenVee> Raincity was asking me earlier who some of the "most prepared" people around here are -- and you came to mind....
[15:06] <Clipper> I am good as can be. You?
[15:06] <Ogmios> hi clipper
[15:06] <Clipper> Thanks, but we are not ready yet.
[15:06] <Clipper> Hello Ogmios
[15:07] <QueenVee> JP: yes, i tell people that at the very minimum one can plan to take one's family on an extended camping trip at the time.....
[15:07] <QueenVee> Clipper: i see the quakes have finally slowed down in Alaska
[15:07] <Clipper> Would you belive it is 30 F today and it rained yesterday? I got rained out on the last day of November. I love it :-)
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[15:07] <Shaman464> hi all
[15:07] <QueenVee> hi shaman
[15:08] <Clipper> Yes, the quakes have slowed down. We had one yesterday, but I did not feal it.
[15:08] <JP> Can I ask a question QueenVee?
[15:08] <QueenVee> sure
[15:08] <obany> well fine .... but a stomach a little upset... ... full feeling ... already took some sodium bicarbonate with water ... maybe because of the cola i drank ... and something i ate
[15:08] <QueenVee> Clipper: today's quake news: five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8); and nine more today (highest 5.8). and a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[15:09] <Ogmios> i think coca cola is better than pepsi
[15:09] <Clipper> Too much cola will upset your stomach. All that acid. Drink milk.
[15:09] <JP> What about someone who needs Insulin who not have it yet they survive - How can they pass without pain?
[15:09] <QueenVee> obany: yeah, that -- or maybe you've been poisoned by the CIA....
[15:09] <Shaman464> lol
[15:09] <Shaman464> they cant even kill castro
[15:10] <obany> QueenVee: nah :)
[15:10] <QueenVee> JP: yes, those dependent on medication are going to have a very difficult time if they have not prepared
[15:10] <Ogmios> have zetas commented castro?
[15:10] <QueenVee> Ogmios: i believe they did say something about castro at one point, in passing
[15:10] <obany> Cliper: drink milk i can't stand to much milk... and i am not a real coke drinker in fact
[15:10] <Ogmios> ok
[15:11] <JP> How can one help those prepare to die afterwards?  Murder is wrong of course
[15:11] <QueenVee> JP: well, if you don't believe in euthenasia, then stocking up on painkillers would be one way.....
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[15:11] <QueenVee> hey Mike-O!
[15:12] <Ogmios> i dont think castro is so bad after all..many other latin american acountry is much worse..
[15:12] <QueenVee> Raincity: Mike-O is another well prepared individual
[15:12] <JP> If I did believe in Euthanasia - what medications would be available?
[15:12] <Mike-O> Hi, QV . . . I thought I'd check in. I'm all caught up with life for the week.
[15:12] <QueenVee> well, none, JP; you would have to obtain them illegally
[15:12] <Clipper> ZetaTalk: Colonialism
[15:12] <Clipper> http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t143.htm
[15:12] <QueenVee> wow, Mike. is that the same as finishing surfing the web?
[15:12] <Clipper> On Castro
[15:13] <JP> So afterwards  head for Walgreens ?  so to speak?
[15:13] <Ogmios> thanks clipper
[15:13] <Clipper> Welcome
[15:13] <QueenVee> yeah, that's it, clipper
[15:13] <QueenVee> i'm a big fan of Castro myself
[15:13] <Mike-O> It was either PoleShiftDiscussion, or getting myself worked up with x-rated web sites.
[15:13] <Clipper> I have no opinion but he sure is getting old :-)
[15:14] <QueenVee> JP: if you have not obtained them beforehand, afterwards you're screwed
[15:14] <QueenVee> lol
[15:14] <Ogmios> :)
[15:14] <QueenVee> Mike-O: well, gee, i don't know if we're going to be able to compete with that.....
[15:14] <Shaman464> lol
[15:15] <JP> oh - best get some stuff to help others then
[15:15] <QueenVee> mike-o: today's quake news: five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8); and nine more today (highest 5.8). and a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[15:15] <QueenVee> good zetatalk sessions yesterday
[15:15] <Shaman464> vey good
[15:15] <Mike-O> If we have guardian spirits we must report to after we die, I'd be ashamed I spend the pre-shift months checking out hot babes on the net. :)  :)  :)
[15:15] <JP> I'll have enpught food and water for a year - hope thats enough
[15:16] <Shaman464> you need seeds, non-hyberds
[15:16] <Mike-O> And I'd bet money the big 7.9 in Alaska a few weeks ago was really somewhere in the 8's
[15:16] <JP> I'll have some of those but no acreage
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[15:17] <JP> unless soem goes up for use
[15:17] <QueenVee> hey zetapal
[15:17] <Zetapal> hey
[15:17] <Shaman464> hi zetapal
[15:17] <QueenVee> JP: there will be a lot of land for the taking after the shift
[15:17] <Zetapal> hi shaman
[15:18] <QueenVee> Mike-O: can you believe the underreporting of quakes by the USGS?
[15:18] <QueenVee> unbelievable
[15:18] <JP> something to look foward to after coming out of the ground
[15:19] <Mike-O> The USGS site also has a link that asks: Is earthquake activity increasing? If forget how they answer that one, but apparently it's for media consumption.
[15:19] <QueenVee> Zetapal: today's quake news: five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8); and nine more today (highest 5.8). and a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[15:19] <QueenVee> geez
[15:20] <Mike-O> Also, recent earthquake swarms in the San Francisco Bay Area have residents more nervous than usual.
[15:20] <Zetapal> holy toledo
[15:20] <Ogmios> but usgs didnt report those japan quakes?
[15:21] <Zetapal> og mi os
[15:21] <JP> I survived the 89 quake  I was at the World Series  I hate the aftershocks more
[15:21] <QueenVee> Ogmios: USGS hasn't reported ANY quakes today, and only ONE quake yesterday
[15:21] <Ogmios> so im go d
[15:21] <Zetapal> :)
[15:21] <Ogmios> :)
[15:22] <QueenVee> Mike-O: yeah, nancy answered a question about the Bay area quakes in yesterday's zetatalk in here
[15:22] <obany> the anwwer is already on the what's new preview on zetatalk
[15:22] <QueenVee> this is off topic, but i did something i rarely do anymore and watched one of those American Sunday morning news-talk programs.... anybody else see Pat Robertson going on about Islam being an evil and violent religion -- what a moron....
[15:22] <Mike-O> The Z's also reminded us to keep our profiles low. Mine might be a bit high at the moment, so that's something I have to look at.
[15:23] <QueenVee> yes, that was good advice
[15:23] <Zetapal> hmm
[15:23] <Mike-O> I kind of hope the Z's are here with us in spirit at the moment.
[15:23] <obany> i think they are ... :)
[15:23] <JP> I saw him = the moderator could barely contain his disdain also
[15:23] <QueenVee> yes, i think so too
[15:23] <Zetapal> well I think we're with them - so it should be about the same
[15:24] <Mike-O> For one, to help keep our talk focused.
[15:24] <Mike-O> I was all over this guy Stewart yesterday who asked real basic questions. Then he called me a wanker.
[15:24] <JP> What do you mean by "profiles low"   why?
[15:24] <QueenVee> we're really found it an interesting exercise in our "brainstorming" sessions in this room, trying to come up with really good questions for zetatalk -- it's really up to us to ask the right questions....
[15:25] <Zetapal> wanker is bad isn't it - is that anything like a jerk-off ?
[15:25] <Mike-O> So I looked up the word 'wanker'. It's British and Aussie slang for a real annoying, uncouth person.
[15:25] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x10.htm
[15:25] <Mike-O> In other contexts, it's a someone who jerks off.
[15:25] <QueenVee> hey, i got a death threat yesterday from an asshole i kicked and banned from the room
[15:25] <Shaman464> i have a debunker who calls me that all the time
[15:25] <Zetapal> oh ok so its not a phallic reference in any way
[15:26] <Zetapal> obscene I mean
[15:26] <QueenVee> i don't think so, zp, cause the english use it all the time
[15:26] <QueenVee> including children
[15:26] <Mike-O> Just another variation on the word 'asshole'
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[15:27] <JP> oh  Thanks obany for the link
[15:27] <Zetapal> I know - wanker this and wanker that - you yanks are all yankers...lol
[15:27] <Mike-O> I've been in a funny zone today . . . .
[15:27] <Zetapal> wankers
[15:27] <Mike-O> I've done so much mental preparing over the last couple years and have really gotten a handle on gardening.
[15:27] <JP> wanker  -  one who wanks off  what I was told by an Irish friend
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[15:28] <Mike-O> . . . I'm practically wandering around the house thinking to myself "What now?"
[15:28] <Shaman464> well, theyll be surpirsed in a few months
[15:28] <Zetapal> leave to the british to come up with a proprietary insult that only makes sense to them and leave it up to everybody else what the hell it means - those aristocratic peckers
[15:29] <Mike-O> When I took the est training many years ago, the founder -- Werner Erhard -- talked about this phenomena. . .
[15:29] <Shaman464> you ever seen the tv show married with children?
[15:29] <Ogmios> but i'm sure that russians have the best cursing words
[15:29] <Ogmios> in the world
[15:29] <Ogmios> finnish have very good too
[15:30] <Shaman464> the wfe came form wanker county
[15:30] <Shaman464> wife*
[15:30] <Mike-O> He said something to the effect that when you've tied up the loose ends on your life to date, then you start to experience all this space around you -- as in new opportunities -- but you don't know what to do with it.
[15:30] <Mike-O> But I'm so activity oriented, I like seeing immediate tasks in front of me, and I think this all ties in with what's lying ahead for all of us.
[15:31] <Mike-O> It's like a rest stop before the shit starts hitting the fan.
[15:31] <QueenVee> yep, and then it will be super-focus
[15:31] <Shaman464> what race lives on PX?
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[15:31] <Mike-O> NASCAR
[15:31] <QueenVee> shaman: that qualifies as a basic question -- to go zetatalk.com and look up Nibiru and Annunaki
[15:32] <JP> lol
[15:32] <Mike-O> REAL big cars.
[15:32] <QueenVee> it's hard to get these kids to do their homework
[15:32] <QueenVee> hello Malakai
[15:32] <Mike-O> And the men on PX have super turbochargers. :)  :)  :)  
[15:33] <QueenVee> an really big noses!
[15:33] <Mike-O> Nancy said, and I quote, "they're hunks!"
[15:34] <JP> What about racial divisions after the shift - will the "majority" kill of the "Minorities"?
[15:34] <QueenVee> well, their genes didn't do US much good.....
[15:34] <Zetapal> Ogmios - yeah recently there was some controversy when the president of russia got upset during a speech and made some offhanded, what they called "subtle", insults....which was supposedly very unusual for him. Then they translated the insult and I was like "oh my god" it was like very specific and graphic - like go fuck your mother with a sewer pipe. or something - it was brow raising
[15:34] <QueenVee> JP: the zetas have indicated that the poleshift will be the GREAT EQUALIZER..... those kind of divisions won't have as much meaning.....
[15:34] <QueenVee> JP: the biggest conflict will be between STO and STS
[15:35] <Mike-O> But we won't be dealing with PX'ers this time around. But apparently -- maybe I got this out of Sitchin -- they're passage near earth is considered a time of holidays on their planet, and they watch the massive light show (as in lightning storms on earth). Some watch in wonder, some in horror at the calamaties they know are befalling mankind.
[15:35] <JP> cool - How will one beindetified as service to self or service to others I wonder  I mean pratically speaking
[15:36] <QueenVee> Zetapal: well, at least our govt. official only called Bush a "moron".....
[15:36] <QueenVee> JP: by their fruits ye shall know them
[15:36] <Mike-O> Nancy has a good definition -- one's orientation is based upon how one ACTS when push comes to shove.
[15:36] <QueenVee> Mike-O: actually, that's from ZetaTalk, not Stichin
[15:36] <Shaman464> anyone wanna help me with a debunker?
[15:36] <QueenVee> Shaman: NO
[15:37] <Shaman464> this one claims to be like nancy
[15:37] <QueenVee> i've had all the debunkers i can take
[15:37] <JP> will it be necessary to have weapons?
[15:37] <QueenVee> JP: define necessary
[15:37] <JP> absolute necessaity  considering Iam peaceful adn well hidden
[15:38] <Mike-O> Weapons: Carry them -- that's if you're prepared to possibly have them turned back on you
[15:38] <JP> good point - so maybe not such a good idea then Mike?
[15:38] <Clipper> To each his own.
[15:38] <Mike-O> I'm leaning against them, but my mind isn't made up yet.  
[15:39] <Clipper> Too many bears in my neck of the woods not to.
[15:39] <QueenVee> Honey is a Natural Antibiotic: http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=2175
[15:39] <Mike-O> We shouldn't tip our hands our show our cards too much, even here. God knows who's reading this stuff with less than the best intentions.
[15:40] <JP> I onced asked a Shaman in I needed one due to circumstances of a personal nature and he said the consciouness was not so good
[15:40] <JP> carry one but expect to be in that consciousness  dont carry one and I may avoid any run in
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[15:41] <Mike-O> If a gun will save a child from getting molested, killed and then eaten, I'll blow anyone's head off without thinking twice.
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[15:42] <JP> absolutely but if carrying one attracts those types  mabe not
[15:42] <QueenVee> this is disgusting: Officials at a hospital mortuary in Kenya are refusing to release  the bodies of people killed in Thursday's bombing until relatives pay a $234 fee: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2532279.stm
[15:42] <Mike-O> The sound of firearms might carry for miles . . . .
[15:43] <QueenVee>   HELLO TIED   
[15:43] <JP> ahem   capitalism at it's ....
[15:43] <Zetapal> good point
[15:43] <tied2>   «««««««««««« Hello QueenVee »»»»»»»»»»»»
[15:43] <Shaman464> hi tied
[15:43] <Mike-O> We would have to weigh the immediate danger versus the prospects of being found by others
[15:43] <tied2>      H E L L O
[15:44] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o Hi Tied, pX is comin for you  O
[15:44] <tied2> he he
[15:44] <JP> yes - I know, I was wondering how much immediate danger we may be in with everyone in shock
[15:45] <JP> I think tere may not be a whole lot of gunplay
[15:45] <JP> but just guess
[15:45] <Mike-O> By the way . . . learn massage . . . that's how shell-shocked soldiers were treated in World War I.
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[15:45] <JP> good point
[15:45] <Zetapal> I think my member has shell shock
[15:46] <QueenVee> JP: immediate danger from what?
[15:46] <JP> from gunplay
[15:46] <QueenVee> well, a greater concern in the U.S. than other countries....
[15:46] <Mike-O> I believe a clear sense of purpose will help natural leaders overcome shock, especially if the purpose stems from a pre-birth agreement to support others at this time.
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[15:46] <JP> FOR SURE
[15:47] <QueenVee> luckily i live in canada where gun ownership is severely restricted
[15:47] <QueenVee> Mike-O: yes, you're absolutely right
[15:47] <Mike-O> And Canucks might have a much warmer environment, too.
[15:48] <QueenVee> yep
[15:48] <JP> My father fought in the seventh army in WWII and he said "funny as it may sound" that keeping his feet warm and dry and healthy helped him survive horrific shock with all his companys being wiped out and his injuries
[15:49] <Mike-O> If we don't keep our feet warm and dry, we're cooked.
[15:49] <QueenVee> well, foreknowledge will be the greatest prevention against shock
[15:49] * QueenVee adds "warm and dry socks" to her list of essentials
[15:50] <JP> indeed it will help a lot - lots of socks  Costco here I come
[15:50] <Mike-O> If indeed that's the tail of PX we saw on the ZT site this week for the first time, I find this a bit scary, because part of me is holding out that this whole 12th deal is a farce.
[15:51] <Zetapal> yeah - a good set of leather boots may be in order, well built enough to last you, well, 10yrs maybe
[15:52] <JP> scary if happens and scary if it doesn't - Xanax helped me awhile but have gotten used to the facts
[15:52] <JP> no need for that now
[15:52] <QueenVee> Mike-O: yes, as prepared as we think we are -- psychologically that is -- that part of us that is holding back is yet to experience the shock to come....
[15:52] <|Malakai|> +hi all
[15:53] <Mike-O> Back to the feet. We can't let the condition known as trench-foot set it. I think it stems from feet that are continuously wet and cold, but mostly wet.
[15:53] <QueenVee> Mike-O: with the steady drizzle, it will be difficult to dry out clothes, especially if one is on the move
[15:53] <JP> My Pop also said keep the arch protected and healthy
[15:54] <Shaman464> anyone ever here of nancy Malacaria ?
[15:54] <JP> no feet and you cant walk  youre done with
[15:54] <QueenVee> no shaman, who is she
[15:55] <tied2> wool socks are what is recomended
[15:57] <Shaman464> she says that she is like nancy and that nancy is not telling the truth to make monry
[15:57] <Shaman464> money*
[15:58] <obany> never heard about that person
[15:58] <Shaman464> should i contact nancy to tell her about her Debunking campign
[15:58] <QueenVee> Shaman: have you got a link?
[15:58] <Mike-O> Right, as if Nancy is living high off the hog.
[15:58] <Zetapal> there are better scams than going on Art Bell and telling everyone they're gonna die  - tell her THAT
[15:59] <Shaman464> she is writing a website about her expricned
[15:59] <Shaman464> expricnes
[15:59] <QueenVee> Shaman: where did you get this info?
[15:59] <Mike-O> Does Malacaria ask for money?
[15:59] <Shaman464> im talking to her in a MSN chat
[15:59] <Shaman464> no
[15:59] <Shaman464> should i tell nancy about her?
[15:59] <QueenVee> shaman: it sounds like someone who is having you on
[16:00] <QueenVee> i wouldn't bother nancy with that
[16:00] <Mike-O> What's Malacaria's raison d'etre?
[16:00] <Zetapal> boy we just bow down to the acuser don't we  - we do everything to make them feel comfortable don't we shaman
[16:00] <Shaman464> she has a web site
[16:00] <Mike-O> And what's the gist of her web site?
[16:01] <QueenVee> so give us the link
[16:01] <Zetapal> what IS her website
[16:01] <Shaman464> http://www.theprojectatearth.com/
[16:02] <QueenVee> LOL -- complete with cartoon aliens....
[16:02] <obany> seems that the site ain't finished yet
[16:02] <Shaman464> want a link to her chat?
[16:02] <obany> how can i acces that c:\ :)
[16:03] <Shaman464> its an MSN chat
[16:04] <Shaman464> is anyone intersted in helping me?
[16:04] <Mike-O> So I looked at the Malacaria web site. It looks like she's one out of a few million who claim alien contact, and her aliens look cheezy. Bottom line appears to be that she's got Nancy-shit going on based on a personal hidden agenda. Case closed on Malacaria.
[16:04] <QueenVee> Shaman: help you what?
[16:05] <JP> second that Mike
[16:05] <Shaman464> nevermind
[16:05] <Zetapal> ask her why should we believe her - does she have a track record of predictions like zetatalk?
[16:05] <QueenVee> Mike-O: i suspect there will be a money-making aspect to it once she gets some traffic to her site....
[16:05] <obany> btw going now bye bye
[16:05] <QueenVee> weird site -- it doesn't SAY anything
[16:05] <QueenVee> bye obany
[16:06] <JP> bye o
[16:07] <Zetapal> shaman- aske her how much she charges to clean an office building ?
[16:07] <JP> QV - what about the help given to us by the ships already here?  At that hour some of us maybe "upped" for anhour or so?
[16:08] <Zetapal> JP - yup
[16:08] <QueenVee> lol -- "Many" humans have had alien experiences, but not nearly to the degree and volume we do"
[16:08] <Zetapal> Shaman - what room are you in ?
[16:08] <QueenVee> JP, you're talking about "the lift", i'll get you a link on that
[16:08] <JP> Are we indentified by "them" as candidates for "upping" ahead of time  like now
[16:09] <Zetapal> sort of like that - its in the link
[16:09] <JP> I have seen the link I believe - I was just wondering about specifics
[16:09] <QueenVee> JP: here is the link: http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t55.htm
[16:10] <QueenVee> it answers the questions you have asked
[16:10] <Zetapal> well - if you remember the link then you would know that they make an offer to those who are sto subconsciously and you choose to accept or reject
[16:10] <QueenVee> so you must not have read it carefully
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[16:10] <QueenVee> ZP: no, that is not correct; they do not make an offer to those who are STO....
[16:11] <QueenVee> just those who are essential to the aftertime
[16:11] <Mike-O> And the way it see it, anyone counting on a lift better count on hitting the Powerball lottery too.
[16:12] <JP> I just did not rmember all of it - thank you QV
[16:12] * obany goes now bye
[16:12] <QueenVee> Mike-O: quite right
[16:12] <JP> Got it
[16:13] <Mike-O> Even if we get a lift, we're gonna get planted right back into the thick of things.
[16:13] <JP> thanks all _ I just needed refreshing of memeory
[16:13] <JP> memory
[16:14] <Shaman464> i left her with the thought that she has a date that is in Nancy life time and if she lied it all come back at her, why would she in danger herself just to make money
[16:14] <Mike-O> As a little kid, I remember hearing about The Rapture, and it really struck a chord with me.
[16:14] <JP> Not counting on a lift - I'm pretty ok here I believe
[16:15] <obany> bye bye
[16:15] <Shaman464> i g2g, bye all
[16:15] <Mike-O> Nancy knows that money won't do her much good in a few months anyway.
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[16:15] <JP> just a musician  no great need for that afterwards  gardner would be better off
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[16:16] <Mike-O> And a few weeks ago the Z's encourged us to dwell less on money now, and more on supporting and loving others, as gushy as that may sound.
[16:16] <cu-jo> hello
[16:17] <JP> money won't matter at all  bartering stuff may though
[16:17] <QueenVee> hello cu-jo
[16:17] <JP> I have plenty of bartering stuff
[16:17] <cu-jo> hey queenvee
[16:17] <JP> whole garage and basement full
[16:17] <cu-jo> i have a qurestion
[16:17] <QueenVee> ok
[16:18] <cu-jo> what is going to happen to canada
[16:18] <QueenVee> cu-jo:you can find that information at the following page: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
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[16:19] <Zetapal> http://www.markfiore.com/animation/corrections.swf
[16:20] <QueenVee> wazzat zetapal?
[16:20] <Mike-O> Canada should make a good go of things, right? But it's so hard to generalize about such a massive country . . .
[16:20] <QueenVee> cu-jo: not seen you here before, what brings you to this room?
[16:21] <QueenVee> Mike-O: parts of Canada will fare well, better than the some of the U.S.
[16:21] <Zetapal> 12/05/02 - Thu/Fri
[16:21] <Zetapal> Host: Art Bell
[16:21] <Zetapal> Guest: Chuck Barris
[16:21] <Zetapal> Chuck Barris claims that, throughout his successful TV career, he was leading a double life as a decorated CIA assassin. Barris was the creator and host of The Gong Show
[16:21] <Mike-O> It's a fairly STO place . . . national healthcare, if I'm not mistaken. And the media is still allowed to say "Christmas" instead of in the US where it's practically illegal to say anything but 'holiday'
[16:22] <QueenVee> Mike: re STO, yeah moreso than the U.S...... re "holiday", no we have the same problem because we're actually more multicultural than the US.... re national healthcare: yes, very good healthcare
[16:23] <JP> I agree that Canada is practical, non-glitzy and more STO than one particular southern neighbor
[16:23] <QueenVee> i'd sure be heading for canada if i were an american
[16:24] <Mike-O> Up until about 15 years ago in the US, we had a Christmas season and Christmas sales and Christmas time.
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[16:24] <QueenVee> i can't believe what you people are taking in your stride down there
[16:24] <QueenVee> Canadians would be freaking out
[16:24] <Mike-O> Now it's 'holiday' season and 'holiday' sales. I can't wait until the media renames December 25th as "Holiday Day"
[16:25] <QueenVee> well, i disagree with you about that, Mike.
[16:25] <JP> I think pockets of STS are just that pockets.  I will try to avoid those, but sense there will be fair bit of those around Denver
[16:25] <JP> There are some places of STO here -  more like Clans
[16:26] <JP> Mike O - Not that  bad where I live
[16:26] <Mike-O> Big cities are full of STO's -- especially people who work in social services, etc. After a shift, they're STO nature might leave most of them dead.
[16:26] <JP> Christmas is still Christmas
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[16:27] <Mike-O> But I imagine they'll reincarnate fairly quick for another round!
[16:27] <JP> we will just have to see how it is sorted out, but STS may kill themselves off too
[16:28] <QueenVee> zetatalk says STO communities will prosper and STS will quickly die off because of their inability to cooperate, pool resources
[16:28] <JP> STO are not dumb by any stretch of the imagination - trust will be arms length I hope
[16:29] <JP> I kinda resonated with Nancy's restrained joy at the en=ventuak riddance of STS and the uptick of STOs even if its a hundred years
[16:30] <Mike-O> I was in a poor neighborhood of New York City during a massive 1977 blackout. I feared for my safety, being one of the few whites around. That gives me once glimpse of how a major city will react to a shift -- carnage among each other. The well-to-do in New York are clueless about how to take care of themselves in a tough situation.
[16:30] <QueenVee> well, it will be exciting to have a world based on a different orientation and focus
[16:31] <QueenVee> Mike-O: why did it give you a glimpse of "carnage among each other" -- was their carnage in that situation?
[16:32] <Mike-O> The people were acting like apes in a cage -- ready to lash out at each other at the slightest provocation. Even the cops got their asses out of there fast
[16:32] <QueenVee> i see
[16:32] <Mike-O> After the cop car got belted with bottles
[16:33] <JP> I think with a 90 % percent rate - there may not enough of any one group to effect that kind of change on anyone and they will be worrying about just surviving not social condiotion
[16:34] <QueenVee> i lived in a wonderful neighbourhood in Toronto until recently (known as Cabbagetown), where there is strong community feeling; one night there was a blackout for several hours, in the middle of the night. everyone calmly left their houses and started walking to the local park, where we all sat on a hillside with our flashlights.....
[16:34] <QueenVee> it was a beautiful, peaceful site
[16:34] <QueenVee> with flashlights dotting the air, and laughter and talk....
[16:35] <Mike-O> Fortunately, I live in a Pennsylvania town where if there was a major blackout, we wouldn't be afraid of each other. Past blackouts have brought out the best of our neighborhood.
[16:35] <JP> It won't be racial - it will be survival -
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[16:36] <QueenVee> the weird thing is there is a very violent neighbourhood within blocks of Cabbagetown, known as Regent Park -- but the violence never travels up to cabbagetown, it stays within Regent Park, so Cabbagetowners don't feel afraid....
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[16:37] <Mike-O> Anyway, post shift I'll demand an upbeat spirit of comaraderie.
[16:37] <JP> I'd trust a minority just as well as someone the same as me - in fact maybe even more - Intuition will be all I have - not stereotypying
[16:38] <JP> Duane Allman (a sothern mucician) once said there are only two kins of people - A-holes and NonA holes - truer words were never spoken
[16:39] <QueenVee> I've been very fortunate to be involved in positive communities during my life, and look forward to working with others to rebuild a different kind of world than the one we have now
[16:39] <JP> Color don't count
[16:39] <Mike-O> Even if I lived in a good section of Toronto, I'd seriously question whether I'd want to stay there during the shift.
[16:39] <JP> attitude will be everything
[16:39] <QueenVee> Mike-O: no large city will be safe for the shift, especially Toronto
[16:39] <QueenVee> that's why i'm no longer in toronto
[16:40] <Mike-O> . . . huge numbers of unprepared people.
[16:40] <JP> also depends on the physical damage to the area
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[16:41] <JP> may not matter about huge numbers of people they may be gone
[16:41] <QueenVee> JP: yeah, and rotting in the streets, spreading disease
[16:41] <Mike-O> By the way, when I was in 5th grade, I had an uncle who worked on the railroad. He said, "this summer I'll take you to Toronto on the train." (It never happened.) I was excited and I told my teacher, "I'm going to Toronto!" She took the wind out of my sails by saying "I hope you stay there."
[16:41] <QueenVee> lol!!
[16:42] <QueenVee> funny story
[16:42] <QueenVee> my teachers would have said the same thing to me, i was a terror
[16:43] <Mike-O> I was a wise guy and a trouble maker too, but I got away with it because I was usually a straight-A student.
[16:43] <JP> I know so many who have actually seen Angels (in heirachical sense) - I wonder if they will help us as usual?
[16:44] <QueenVee> i'll be right back. i gotta reboot my computer.
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[16:44] <JP> whew
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[16:45] <JP> hi merry
[16:45] <merry> hi JP
[16:45] <JP> moderator stepped out a minute
[16:46] <merry> then I'll have to behave
[16:47] <JP> This is my first time here after readin many months - I'm rather enjying the chat
[16:47] <merry> :-)
[16:48] <merry> I am off to read the log
[16:48] <merry> see ya all later
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[16:49] <JP> how does one read the log?
[16:49] <JP> on the html version?
[16:50] <monk> yes
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[16:54] <QueenVee> so..... who's still here?
[16:54] <JP> yes?  how on the html version do you read a log prior to you signing in?
[16:54] <monk> me
[16:54] <JP> me two
[16:55] <QueenVee> JP: was that question directed to me?
[16:55] <monk> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zetalogs.htm
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[16:55] <JP> just general but thanks Monk and QV
[16:56] <JP> COOL  I did not know that   thanks again
[16:56] <QueenVee> by "html version" i assume you mean you are logged on via the web? and be "read a log" i assume you mean you want to read "zetatalk" logs?
[16:56] <JP> yes on both counts
[16:56] <JP> thank you
[16:58] <QueenVee> JP: the information provided in the ZetaTalk Sessions are quickly incorporated into the ZetaTalk site sections -- so you won't read anything new in the logs that isn't already on the site, with the exception of the most recent sessions....
[16:59] <JP> thank you
[16:59] <JP> I am reading last nights right now
[17:08] <JP> QV do this "chat" go on 24 hours a day?
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[17:10] <QueenVee> the room is open 24/7...
[17:11] <QueenVee> i'm not here 24/7......
[17:11] <QueenVee> but there's usually SOMEBODY in here almost all the time
[17:11] <JP> Thanks for all you help today I am complete in a great expereince here my first time - I will be back
[17:11] <QueenVee> hello M3
[17:11] <QueenVee> great JP
[17:12] <JP> guten nacht
[17:12] <QueenVee> afternoons and evenings are the busiest
[17:12] <JP> thx
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[17:12] <QueenVee> M3: not seen you here before, what brings you to this room?
[17:13] <QueenVee> M3: ARE YOU THERE???
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[17:14] <QueenVee> hi butch
[17:14] <QueenVee> long time no see
[17:14] <butch> hello
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[17:15] <butch> i was here for the session yesterday...but didn't say much..
[17:15] <QueenVee> ah
[17:15] <QueenVee> M3: no idling
[17:15] <M3> Hey QV, thanks for kicking me off. This is my first ever IRC, and I'm still learning how to drive. I can't imagine why I can't "idle" here and just follow the conversations...
[17:16] <QueenVee> M3: that's just the nature of this room; sometimes sensitive conversations take place here, and participants want to know who is in the room
[17:16] <QueenVee> once you are a regular participants, you can idle all you want
[17:17] <M3> Pardon me, I'll leave and come back when I get more experience...
[17:18] <butch> pretty quiet in here today?
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[17:19] <QueenVee> actually, it was very busy in here a little earlier
[17:19] <QueenVee> but it has quieted down now
[17:19] <QueenVee> and i have to go and take the dog out
[17:19] <QueenVee> but i'll be back later
[17:19] <butch> ok
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[17:33] <froggy> hi
[17:33] <Shaman464> hi
[17:34] <monk> hi
[17:34] <froggy> hi, everybody :)
[17:34] <monk> whats goiog on
[17:34] <froggy> that's what i want to know
[17:35] <froggy> nothing here
[17:35] <monk> im playing battle ship
[17:35] <froggy> heh
[17:44] <monk> whats new?
[17:44] <froggy> not much
[17:45] <monk> not much to talk about
[17:45] <froggy> nope
[17:46] <froggy> that could be a good thing for me....sometimes i talk to much :)
[17:48] <monk> well not talking now
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[17:49] <QueenVee> hello froggy
[17:50] <Shaman464> hi queen
[17:50] <QueenVee> hello hello
[17:50] <froggy> hello queenvee
[17:51] <QueenVee> today’s quake news: five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8); and nine more today (highest 5.8). and a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[17:54] <monk> oh no
[17:59] <monk> Hows the weather
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[18:01] <froggy> it's could out
[18:01] <froggy> cold
[18:02] <monk> goodnesnew
[18:02] <froggy> what?
[18:02] <monk> nothing
[18:03] <monk> hehe
[18:04] <froggy> did you win at battle ship?
[18:04] <monk> its warm here in california
[18:04] <monk> No I havn't won
[18:04] <monk> I wish I won
[18:04] <froggy> i like snood
[18:04] <monk> I get like 2500$ if i win
[18:05] <froggy> why, are you some great battleship player?
[18:05] <monk> haha
[18:05] <froggy> ha
[18:05] <monk> its some game on the internet that gives money if u win
[18:05] <froggy> where are you in terms of winning?
[18:06] <monk> ahh its hard to win
[18:06] <froggy> how many people are in the game?
[18:07] <monk> not verus a computer
[18:08] <froggy> oh
[18:08] <monk> they call it gunboat bounty
[18:08] <froggy> how long have you been playing this
[18:09] <froggy> that's kind of funny
[18:09] <monk> just like 4 times
[18:09] <froggy> good luck :)
[18:11] <froggy> do you think all the lobster dieing are related to the ps??
[18:13] <monk> earthchanges probaly
[18:13] <monk> there is a lake near where I live all kinds of fish were on the shore dead
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[18:17] <QueenVee> hello Lost
[18:18] <lostNtime> hiya qv and all
[18:18] <froggy> hi lost
[18:18] <lostNtime> hi froggy
[18:19] <QueenVee> Here’s today’s quake news: five quakes off coast of Japan yesterday, all 5.0 and greater (highest 5.8), and nine more today (highest 5.8) -- for a total of 14 quakes in two days. There was also a 6.0 today in the South Pacific Ocean
[18:20] <froggy> after the ps can a sto choose to stay with sts?
[18:20] <lostNtime> qv any rumblings of the new madrid falt latly
[18:21] <QueenVee> no, not that i know of
[18:21] <lostNtime> ok
[18:21] <QueenVee> froggy: what do you mean by "stay with sts"?
[18:22] <froggy> orientation, does a sto have a choice?
[18:22] <QueenVee> froggy, you're not being clear: a choice to do what?
[18:23] <monk> froggy: you got freewill to do whatever you choose
[18:23] <monk> You can hang out with sto or sts
[18:23] <froggy> a choice which density to be in
[18:24] <QueenVee> if you choose to be STS, you go to STS world; if you choose to be STO, you reincarnate into 4th Density earth; if you choose to remain UNDECIDED, you go to a Third Density UNDECIDED world
[18:25] <QueenVee> why would an STO with the opporunity to enter 4th Density choose to remain in 3rd density?
[18:25] <froggy> what if sto has decided to hang out with sts?
[18:26] <QueenVee> froggy: they wouldn't
[18:26] <QueenVee> they're not compatible
[18:26] <lostNtime> qv meaning on earth aftertime?
[18:27] <QueenVee> yes
[18:27] <lostNtime> sts=on earth
[18:27] <lostNtime> ok
[18:27] <QueenVee> froggy: why would an STO decide to hang out with STS -- that wouldn't be service to others
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[18:28] <monk> well queenvee maybe a sto would hang out with sts to help them out
[18:28] <froggy> when will the sts become sto...is there a chance for them
[18:28] <monk> Thats sto
[18:28] <QueenVee> monk: why would you help out a person who has chosen a permanent STS orientation?
[18:28] <monk> well just to help people out
[18:28] <QueenVee> an STO would not choose that because it would not be of benefit to the whole
[18:29] <monk> You could help the sts be sto
[18:29] <QueenVee> you would just be helping STS to be more STS, since they are incapable of STO actions
[18:30] <QueenVee> you could help UNDECIDED choose to be STO; you can't help an STS once they have chosen an STS orientation
[18:30] <froggy> can the sts become sto after the ps?
[18:30] <QueenVee> froggy: you asked that the other day, and we told you that the zetas say that it would be extremely rare
[18:30] <froggy> i just wanted to know...
[18:31] <monk> Well I believe people can change .. people change everyday ..
[18:31] <monk> They have life changing events happen to them
[18:31] <QueenVee> well, don't argue with me,monk; that's what the zetas say
[18:31] <monk> ok
[18:32] <QueenVee> take it up with the zetas
[18:32] <froggy> do the zetas say sts can never change?
[18:32] <QueenVee> froggy: one more time: they say it would be a very rare occurance
[18:32] <froggy> but it can happen?
[18:33] <QueenVee> very rarely
[18:33] <froggy> yes or no
[18:33] <QueenVee> i've answered your question froggy
[18:33] <froggy> okay
[18:34] <monk> froggy: the answer is yet
[18:34] <monk> yes
[18:34] <froggy> with the last ps was it the same thing sts and sto and we were left behind
[18:34] <monk> but its rare
[18:34] <QueenVee> froggy, no, there was STS, STO, and UNDECIDED
[18:35] <monk> as zetas say the sts will goto some ocean world and live as a octopus
[18:35] <froggy> what happen to the sto?
[18:35] <QueenVee> there have never been that many STS around, mostly UNDECIDED
[18:35] <froggy> what taking so long to decide?
[18:36] <froggy> how  many years has it been...3000 and something
[18:37] <QueenVee> froggy: that is the sole lesson of 3rd density: to make an orientation decision
[18:37] <QueenVee> here's the section you want, titled SWITCHING SIDES: http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o19.htm
[18:37] <froggy> do most make it in the end?
[18:38] <QueenVee> froggy: depends on the world; most human souls have voted for an STO orientation for earth, and earth will enter 4th density when 85% of the population on earth are STO...
[18:39] <QueenVee> so i would say that a majority of human souls will make it to STO and 4th density on earth, but not an overwhelming majority
[18:39] <QueenVee> some will remain UNDECIDED, go to other 3rd density worlds, and choose later to be STO
[18:40] <froggy> is sex sts?
[18:40] <QueenVee> no
[18:40] <monk> lol no
[18:40] <QueenVee> you can have sex with someone in an STS way, or in an STO way....
[18:41] <QueenVee> it's not the activity, it's the orientation of the individual doing it
[18:41] <monk> you can rape someone thats sts
[18:41] <froggy> i understand :)
[18:41] <QueenVee> or you can make love in a mutually pleasuarable way
[18:41] <froggy> okay, enough
[18:42] <froggy> he he
[18:43] <froggy> thankyou, everyone
[18:43] <QueenVee> :-)
[18:43] <froggy> xoxo
[18:46] <monk> love hate
[18:47] <froggy>  monk,what do you mean by that?
[18:48] <monk> ahh it was quiet had to say something
[18:57] <froggy> goodnite, everybody
[18:57] <QueenVee> bye froggy
[18:57] <froggy> thanks
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[19:12] <phoam> hey
[19:13] <QueenVee> hello phoam
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[19:25] <Shaman464> hi room
[19:25] <monk> hi shaman
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[19:57] <scooby> hey
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[21:27] <kindred> hello
[21:27] <monk> hi
[21:27] <kindred> hi monk
[21:27] <monk> any relation to kindred soul ?
[21:28] <QueenVee> no relation to him, monk
[21:28] <kindred> will feel like one after may 15
[21:28] <monk> lol
[21:28] <QueenVee> hi kindred
[21:28] <kindred> oh this is my evil twin eh
[21:28] <kindred> Hiiiiiiiiiiii queen
[21:29] <kindred> I will have to keep eye out for him
[21:30] <QueenVee> i've been taking advantage this evening of a slow-down in work, domestic, and chatroom responsibilities to re-read sections of Zetatalk -- really absorbing
[21:30] <kindred> any new revalations
[21:31] <QueenVee> no, not really
[21:31] <QueenVee> the material just makes such SENSE
[21:31] <kindred> it is pretty deep material thou
[21:31] <kindred> yes and that is its most convincing qaulity
[21:31] <monk> good queenvee ... we can ask you all the questions
[21:32] <monk> just kidding :)
[21:32] <QueenVee> mmmmm
[21:32] <kindred> Monk how long have you been a member
[21:33] <monk> what you mean in this chatroom ?
[21:33] <kindred> I was at a party today and tried to pass along all this news about the coming events and it was difficult to get many takers
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[21:34] <QueenVee> well... weren't you the party pooper....
[21:34] <monk> LOL
[21:34] <kindred> yes monk or to this whole situaton we are all in
[21:34] <QueenVee>   HELLO TIED   
[21:34] <monk> well I been coming to this chatroom probaly ever since queenvee made it
[21:34] <tied2>   «««««««««««« H e l l o QueenVee »»»»»»»»»»»»
[21:35] <QueenVee> but you've been hanging about tt for a while, monk, haven't you?
[21:35] <kindred> lol yeah maybe thats why they all went home
[21:35] <monk> Yea I been hanging out in t-t for about 4 months I think
[21:35] <monk> 3-4 months
[21:36] <QueenVee> monk, froggy's questions from earlier have got me re-reading the orientation sections....
[21:36] <kindred> is everyone trying to spread the word anymore
[21:36] <QueenVee> no, kindred
[21:36] <monk> Im not really trying to speard the word
[21:37] <kindred> not to family
[21:37] <monk> the word got spearded alot last week on artbell
[21:37] <QueenVee> it's not really our JOB to inform others.....
[21:37] <kindred> yes that is how I came to be here
[21:37] <QueenVee> you have to remember that EVERYONE is aware subconsciously....
[21:38] <QueenVee> there's material in zetatalk about many have made a CHOICE to be unaware on a conscious level, yet are still preparing unconsciously....
[21:38] <QueenVee> you can introduce the subject to people, but it would be wrong to push it
[21:38] <kindred> I agree with that
[21:38] <QueenVee> that person may have already chosen to die during the shift, why force them to be consciously aware of that choice?
[21:39] <QueenVee> kindred, you must remember that peoples lives are NOT dependent on you
[21:39] <kindred> nobody choses to die
[21:39] <monk> people will think your crazy also by even talking about it
[21:39] <QueenVee> yes, kindred, they do
[21:39] <QueenVee> we all choose when and how we will die
[21:39] <tied2> most people just think your a nut-case anyways and even when they see it in the shy they'll believe NASA about it  still denying it.
[21:40] <kindred> today when someone was killed in a car accident they didnt choose it it just happened
[21:40] <QueenVee> kindred: do you understand the concept of reincarnation?
[21:40] <tied2> oops shy=sky shy = shy
[21:40] <QueenVee> no, kindred, they chose it
[21:41] <kindred> yes more less
[21:41] <QueenVee> we made pre-birth decisions to lead certain kind of life, and have certain kinds of experiences....
[21:41] <tied2> QV so when some little kid gets run over by a car he/she chose that before he was born?
[21:41] <kindred> you mean thier life line is already planned from start to finish
[21:41] <QueenVee> yes, tied2
[21:41] <tied2> see I don't believe that
[21:42] <QueenVee> the child is probably an STO spirit who has chosen to help the parents learn a certain type of lesson from their grief....
[21:42] <tied2> how do you account for walk in then?
[21:42] <QueenVee> how does the concept of walk-in contradict anything i've said?
[21:42] <tied2> thats such B/S IMHO
[21:43] <kindred> you are saying no one can change thier destiny
[21:43] <QueenVee> well, you are welcome to your opinion
[21:43] <QueenVee> kindred: no, i didn't say that
[21:43] <tied2> but Zetas say that there is no such thing as destiny
[21:43] <kindred> you are saying we are all destined for a certian action in life
[21:43] <QueenVee> when did i say there was any such thing as destiny?
[21:44] <QueenVee> when did i even use the word?
[21:44] <kindred> how we are going todie
[21:44] <QueenVee> we CHOOSE....
[21:44] <kindred> that is destiny
[21:44] <QueenVee> and we can CHOOSE in any direction we want
[21:44] <tied2> when you say someone  choses before they are born when they die  that is in fact destiny
[21:44] <QueenVee> but usually the ego is not aware of what the larger self has chosen....
[21:44] <QueenVee> tied: well, that is your interpretation; it is not mine
[21:45] <tied2> whats yours?
[21:45] <kindred> tied and I are in similiar agreement
[21:45] <QueenVee> well, i'm not going to try and convince you, but you might want to check out what the zetas have to say: http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o03.htm
[21:46] <QueenVee> the concepts i am discussing are very well known among those who understand reincarnation
[21:46] <monk> well time is kinda wierd ... Like I once had a dream and a month later it came true
[21:46] <tied2> so you can't reconcile the two?
[21:46] <QueenVee> the ego personality in a given life is only a fraction of the larger self
[21:46] <QueenVee> so what may seem negative to the ego personality may not be negative to the larger self
[21:46] <QueenVee> who sees the larger picture
[21:47] <QueenVee> the larger self chooses certain experiences in order to learn lessons
[21:47] <tied2> whats that go to do with choosing when they are gonna die?
[21:47] <QueenVee> dying young may be one of those lessons
[21:47] <QueenVee> or the lesson may be someone elses -- like the parents of the ego personality
[21:47] <QueenVee> your reaction is based on the idea that death is a bad thing
[21:48] <QueenVee> when it is simply a transition between one life and another
[21:48] <tied2> wrong
[21:48] <QueenVee> everyone has to die sometime
[21:48] <tied2> wrong again
[21:48] <tied2> lol
[21:48] <QueenVee> well, if you don't believe in reincarnation, then none of this will make sense to you
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[21:49] <QueenVee> hello zetapal
[21:49] <monk> hey ZP
[21:49] <Zetapal> Hi guys
[21:49] <tied2> see you think that because your double minded you identify your self as more than one where I have already been Thur that and except all of me as Spirit
[21:50] <QueenVee> tied: i'm not going to argue with you about your own personal beliefs
[21:50] <QueenVee> what i am saying is in line with zetatalk
[21:50] <QueenVee> and i know that you believe that zetatalk is wrong when it does not agree with your own personal beliefs
[21:50] <tied2> therefore finding my oneness with God and creation
[21:51] <QueenVee> to it's kind of a dead-ended conversation
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[21:51] <RNTHOMAS> Howdy all
[21:51] <monk> hi'
[21:51] <QueenVee> tied2: you have made it abundantly clear that you consider yourself subject to quite a different set of rules, and that's fine
[21:51] <RNTHOMAS> Just DUPing Mark Hazelwood...  I'm being bad!
[21:51] <QueenVee> hi RN
[21:51] <RNTHOMAS> Hey QV...
[21:52] <QueenVee> mark hazelwood. what a dweeb.
[21:52] <tied2> thats so true I have discovered that I am not bound by rules
[21:52] <RNTHOMAS> Why do you say that?
[21:52] <monk> Right on tied2
[21:52] <Zetapal> cause he has free will
[21:52] <tied2> ZP lol
[21:53] <kindred> iloved that movie
[21:53] <Zetapal> whats so funny ?
[21:53] <kindred> free willy
[21:53] <Zetapal> oh lol
[21:53] <QueenVee> well, i was asked to explain a concept in terms of zetatalk, and i have done so
[21:53] <Zetapal> that IS funny
[21:53] <QueenVee> if you don't believe zetatalk is accurate, then you don't
[21:53] <Zetapal> cause he freed willy
[21:53] <kindred> no insult but I still think you are not translating there words correctly
[21:54] <monk> wow I just seen a shadow person
[21:54] <tied2> let me ask you this QV do you know that a certain the poleshift is going to happen?
[21:54] <tied2> 100%
[21:54] <QueenVee> tied2: i remind you that this is not a channel for debating the veracity of zetatalk. i have no wish to get into such a debate with you.
[21:55] <RNTHOMAS> qv: please explain why you believe he's a dweeb?
[21:55] <QueenVee> RN: that's a long stlry
[21:55] <QueenVee> story
[21:56] <kindred> hey ZP
[21:56] <Zetapal> hi kindred
[21:56] <kindred> how is your night
[21:56] <tied2> you have stayed that you don't not 100% so neither do I only I do believe a 100% that the poleshift is going to happen....I just don't buy the whole thing hook line and sinker
[21:57] <Zetapal> oh so so - gotta work tomorrow so I'm kinda bummed - always that way when I have to work
[21:57] <monk> zetapal: I feel ya
[21:58] <kindred> I would be bummed everyday if that was the case
[21:58] <Zetapal> yeah
[21:58] <monk> I quit my job lol
[21:58] <monk> didnt wanna feel that way
[21:59] <Zetapal> well, we're in December now, i don't know about you guys, but I always think in terms of the month ahead so we have , January, February, March
[21:59] <Zetapal> to wait
[21:59] <Zetapal> thats it
[21:59] <Zetapal> we see it in April
[22:00] <monk> april well see a red thing in the sky
[22:00] <monk> and it wont be mars
[22:01] <kindred> and you think this will get you out of work
[22:01] <Zetapal> rotfl
[22:01] <monk> Yes it will
[22:01] <monk> but then there will be another type of work
[22:01] <kindred> try fetching your bath water in pails to bathe thats work
[22:01] <monk> survival
[22:01] <Zetapal> good one kindred - how much do you charge an hour
[22:02] <scooby> hey all
[22:02] <scooby> has anyone here actually seen pX?
[22:02] <scooby> other than in pics?
[22:02] <monk> I seen px
[22:03] <kindred> just dim lights in the night sky
[22:03] <scooby> was it clear?
[22:03] <scooby> with a scope?
[22:03] <kindred> not me just in pics
[22:04] <kindred> when is the earliest we could see it with a scope QV
[22:04] <QueenVee> kindred: depends on the scope
[22:04] <QueenVee> it can be seen now with the right kind of scope
[22:05] <monk> we are able to see it with the naked eye 7 weeks before the ps
[22:05] <kindred> what magnification would I need
[22:05] <QueenVee> i'm not well versed in any of that, kindred. you'll have to get that info from the site under Planet X Sightings, or ask someone else.....
[22:05] <kindred> ok thanks
[22:06] <kindred> who here thinks the world really needs what it has coming
[22:07] <scooby> me!
[22:07] <scooby> especially the US
[22:07] <scooby> my country...  
[22:07] <scooby> there is definitely good and bad here
[22:07] <kindred> what country you from scooby
[22:08] <monk> I think the earth needs to clean herself
[22:08] <scooby> but if you think about the overcrowding, the "all about me" attitude, etc, then we definitely need to start fresh with a clean slate
[22:08] <scooby> i live in San Diego
[22:08] <kindred> planning on moving scooby
[22:09] <scooby> trying to figure that part out actually
[22:09] <scooby> have been hanging out here and reading what y'all are saying
[22:09] <scooby> and talking amongst friends and reading the zetatalk site have me more and more convinced that something is coming
[22:10] <kindred> hey queen what happens a week bofore it all starts to happen and everyone see it in the sky and starts asking questions
[22:10] <scooby> only, if I had no kids, no wife, etc, then I wouldn't be as apt to move inland
[22:10] <scooby> my understanding is that the media will try and hose us over again
[22:10] <scooby> and we'll have to get the goods from Drudge
[22:11] <kindred> media loves gloom and doom thou
[22:11] <scooby> yeah, but they are ru by about 5 or six people
[22:11] <scooby> ru=run
[22:11] <QueenVee> zetatalk says most will continue to discount it right up until the end
[22:11] <scooby> at the very highest level
[22:11] <QueenVee> and govt will discount it until the end
[22:12] <scooby> there is so much more that they aren't telling us, why should this be any different
[22:12] <kindred> since when did news papers listen to the government
[22:12] <monk> the zetas also say that some people will still goto work after the shift happens
[22:12] <scooby> when was the last time you read an investigative piece on G.W Bush?
[22:12] <kindred> especialy if it is thier last edition
[22:12] <QueenVee> Countdown Signs: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p60.htm
[22:13] <QueenVee> monk: not after the shift happens, during the week before
[22:15] <monk> oh I thought the zetas said that some people will be in denial that they will still goto work the day after the shift
[22:16] <scooby> lol
[22:16] <scooby> anyone kow what the 10th and 11th planets are?
[22:16] <monk> the sun and the moon
[22:16] <scooby> what about jupiters moons>
[22:16] <scooby> and the moons of saturn?
[22:17] <scooby> the sun is a star not a planet
[22:17] <monk> the sumerians were the ones that called it the 12th planet
[22:17] <monk> and they considered the sun and the moon as planets
[22:18] <QueenVee> Kindred: you may find this section useful in terms of the estent to which people will be informed/aware ahead of time: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p12.htm
[22:18] <scooby> and they have a record of a major poleshift?
[22:18] <monk> like planet x planet 10
[22:18] <scooby> i seem to remember reading that
[22:18] <monk> I think thats what the x means
[22:18] <scooby> so it should be planet xii
[22:18] <scooby> lol
[22:19] <monk> Im not sure exactly
[22:20] <QueenVee> even if the governments of the world were to shrill the alarm, starting today, that the people they govern would brush off the truth. How does one prove the proposition? By pointing to geological changes? Scientists have done this, over the centuries and decades coming to the present, with little effect. In fact, as with all bearers of unpleasant facts, they are ridiculed.
[22:20] <monk> planet x , 12th planet , nibru ahh to many names
[22:20] <QueenVee> Those who can listen, do so, and those (who are in the vast majority) who refuse to do so, close their minds. Even as the 12th Planet is becoming visible in the sky, by day or night, mankind will brush this aside as a normal occurrence. Look how our space ships, seen by masses, are seen consciously by only some. The others simply chose not to see.
[22:20] <QueenVee> Where individual human action can make a difference is in the Aftertime, when survivors, young and old, know not what to do or where to go. Prepare for injuries, and shock, and orphans in pitiable condition. Prepare to retrain stragglers who come into your midst undernourished, unable to speak of the horror they have seen, with injuries unattended and festering. These, you can attend to, as they will respond and listen to
[22:21] <RNTHOMAS> QV: and how do you help them?  They have diseases and most will have no Meds..
[22:22] <QueenVee> RN: you help them to die in peace and not alone
[22:22] <QueenVee> help does not always mean fix
[22:23] <QueenVee> you do your very best
[22:26] <RNTHOMAS> QV: if they have diseases, how do we not catch them?
[22:27] <QueenVee> you take reasonably precautions and have faith that if you have a role to play in the aftertime, you will not die
[22:27] <QueenVee> you use common sense
[22:28] <scooby> that's exactly how I feel
[22:28] <scooby> I heard nancy the other day for a reason
[22:28] <scooby> we all are aware of this for a reason
[22:28] <RNTHOMAS> QV Common sence is if they are going to die, you don't feed them or take them in.. (I am playing devils advocate here)
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[22:28] <QueenVee> RN: well, play away
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[22:28] <RNTHOMAS> QC You've studied alternative health, what about that...
[22:29] <QueenVee> what about it?
[22:29] <RNTHOMAS> QV Surely in this you have a few tricks you can try.
[22:29] <scooby> RN: that is not in line with the STO, tho
[22:29] <QueenVee> you use whatever resources you have
[22:29] <scooby> look at what's going on in South Africa
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[22:29] <QueenVee> obviously one must make difficult decisions about what is best for the whole vs what is best for the individual; but that is part of the lesson
[22:30] <scooby> RN: people are dying of AIDS, yet there are poeple making the rounds to make sure they don't die alone
[22:30] <QueenVee> hello Nick
[22:31] <RNTHOMAS> Scooby: there are ways to deal with Aids...  Zetas know this surly...
[22:31] <Nick> hey
[22:31] <monk> bye everyone
[22:31] <kindred> bye monk
[22:31] <QueenVee> Nick: not seen you here before.... what brings you to this room?
[22:32] * Looking up Nick user info...
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[22:32] <scooby> by e monk
[22:32] * Looking up raincity user info...
[22:32] <QueenVee> what must be overcome is the delusion of separation, the idea that your own personal good is somehow at odds with the good of another or the good of the whole....
[22:32] <RNTHOMAS> QV: Zetas should have told you how to deal with sick, and disease...
[22:32] <QueenVee> RN: zetas are prevented from sharing technological info due to the rules of non interference
[22:32] <RNTHOMAS> QV: you've studied and co-wrote books on this stuff...
[22:33] <RNTHOMAS> YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE
[22:33] <QueenVee> what are you on about, rn??
[22:33] <QueenVee> i will personally use whatever knowledge i have at my disposal
[22:33] <QueenVee> how about you?
[22:34] <RNTHOMAS> I have been getting ready for this... And have has all forms of antibiotic equivlents...
[22:34] <QueenVee> excellent
[22:34] <QueenVee> you will be in great demand
[22:35] <scooby> agreed
[22:35] <Nick> Queenvee i had a question for you.
[22:35] <QueenVee> yes, nick?
[22:35] <RNTHOMAS> Unlike QV I haven't written any books about it...  But she and I both know the technology works...
[22:36] <RNTHOMAS> WHY IS IT NOT BEING SHARED HERE?  - When the blight hits, you'll need it.
[22:36] <Nick> i remember reading on z/t about nancy and what the zetas did to her...maybe you remember where that was?
[22:36] <QueenVee> RN: who is stopping you from sharing your knowledge?
[22:37] <QueenVee> sorry, Nick, i don't understand your question, which is rather vague
[22:37] <kindred> Queen what is RN getting on about?
[22:37] <QueenVee> kindred: i don't really know
[22:37] <Nick> QV: i mean what section of the site is it in? i couldn't find it.
[22:37] <kindred> have you co written any books
[22:37] <RNTHOMAS> Ok, QV you just said take diseased sick stragglers in, and let em die...
[22:37] <QueenVee> Nick: i am not clear on what "it" is
[22:38] <QueenVee> RN: i did?
[22:38] <RNTHOMAS> <QueenVee> RN: you help them to die in peace and not alone
[22:38] <QueenVee> RN: if the situation is hopeless, you help them to die; but if you have knowledge, treatment that will help, obviously you use it
[22:38] <Nick> QV: the zt text about nancy and her role.
[22:39] <RNTHOMAS> But simple diseases like AIDS or Fibro-Myalgia etc are not hopeless...
[22:39] <RNTHOMAS> Broken bones can be set...
[22:40] <kindred> aids isnt anything your antibiotics will help
[22:40] <QueenVee> RN: get off your soapbox, no one has said anything about what is or is not hopeless
[22:40] <RNTHOMAS> It's possible to reverse these conditions...  And you CO-WROTE books on this stuff QV...
[22:40] <QueenVee> RN: you're really starting to annoy me
[22:41] <RNTHOMAS> RN: I find your arrogance kinda annoying..
[22:41] <RNTHOMAS> bye
[22:41] <QueenVee> Nick: Nancy's role and relationship to the zetas is discussed throughout the zetatalk material; i don't know what specific part you're talking about
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[22:42] <QueenVee> good riddance
[22:42] <kindred> QV have you written any books I should read
[22:42] <Nick> ill find it on my own. thanks anyway.
[22:42] <QueenVee> kindred: i'd rather not discuss my work right now, if you don't mind
[22:43] <Nick> has anyone seen DJMaximus?
[22:44] <QueenVee> not today, Nick
[22:45] <kindred> soooooo everybody havin fun tonit
[22:45] <kindred> seems alittle tense in here tonit
[22:45] <scooby> anyone got any good jokes?
[22:45] <scooby> lol
[22:45] <kindred> why did the zetan croos the road
[22:46] <scooby> dunno...
[22:46] <scooby> to get to the other side?
[22:47] <kindred> tried to think of a clever come back but just to slow
[22:48] <scooby> lol
[22:48] <scooby> anyone heard of Earthships?
[22:48] <kindred> you know the biggest part to deal with in this whole mess
[22:49] <kindred> is the not knowing
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[22:49] <fetus> :o
[22:49] <scooby> but feeling this is coming
[22:49] <scooby> hi fetus
[22:49] <QueenVee> hey fetus
[22:50] <fetus> hello scooby
[22:50] <fetus> hi qv
[22:50] <scooby> anyway, earthships might be a way to ride this out...
[22:50] <scooby> they are U-shaped buildings, built into the side of a hill or mountain, the "U" part being made of used rubber tires packed with earth
[22:50] <scooby> and they are designed to be off the grid entirely
[22:50] <scooby> solar, wind, rain water etc
[22:51] <kindred> sound dirty
[22:51] <scooby> make use of gray water in the home, have a south facing wall (the open face of the U) which is all glass
[22:51] <scooby> and you have a garden there
[22:51] <scooby> here is a link:
[22:51] <scooby> http://www.earthship.org/edu/what.php
[22:51] <kindred> kewl will check it out
[22:51] <scooby> read a book about them about 10 years ago and have always wanted to build one
[22:52] <scooby> still have the book and it may come in handy soon
[22:52] <scooby> :)
[22:52] <kindred> youd da man scooby
[22:52] <Nick> QV: i had a different question about the Awakening.
[22:52] <scooby> kindred: right arm
[22:52] <QueenVee> scooby: very intersting, i've bookmarked that to have a close look at tomorrow. thank you.
[22:52] <QueenVee> go ahead nick
[22:52] <scooby> glad to help
[22:53] <scooby> in fact, i had this vision that i would set up a community in Taos with my friends from Indiana (where I grew up)
[22:53] <scooby> Taos, New Mexico that is
[22:53] <QueenVee> cool
[22:54] <scooby> I know that the guy who developed this plan lives in one of these things in Taos
[22:54] <scooby> and his indoor temp stays between 65 and 75
[22:54] <Nick> QV: if one was to take a group of people that were STO and almost convinced of the pole shift to a remote location, would the zetas or whoever make an appearance?
[22:54] <scooby> and he says it is earthquake ready
[22:54] <QueenVee> Nick: i have no idea
[22:55] <scooby> speaking of STO, I gotta fold some laundry for my wife...
[22:55] <scooby> :)
[22:55] <scooby> brb
[22:55] <Nick> thanks.
[22:55] <QueenVee> good man, scooby
[22:55] <kindred> a true STOP scooby
[22:55] <QueenVee> Nick: why do you ask?
[22:56] <QueenVee> scooby: when you're done, can you come over and do mine?
[22:56] <kindred> wow what a night
[22:56] <QueenVee> Nick: the zetas talk about the fact that they are not available on command. it's basically a "don't call us, we'll call you" situation
[22:57] <kindred> last date I had siad that
[22:57] <kindred> she must of had some zate blood in her
[22:57] <Nick> QV: i didn't mean to test them.  but if you had a group of people who would't panic, and were all mostly friends, or whatever, and STO?
[22:58] <QueenVee> but why would you need them to make an appearance?
[22:58] <tied2> Nick:  you must give "the call"
[22:59] <kindred> yeah 1 800 cal zeta
[22:59] <QueenVee> tied2: he must do more than give "the call", he must have an STO purpose in giving "the call"
[22:59] <QueenVee> hence my question: why would you need them to make an apperance?
[22:59] <kindred> im sorry not a time to kid around
[23:00] <Nick> QV: to finalize the group's descision about whether or not its all true or not.
[23:00] <QueenVee> LOL
[23:00] <Nick> QV: after all, its hard to convince someone to take out a loan, etc.
[23:01] <tied2> Nick: if you are STO then if you give "the call" then STO will answer and if your are STS and give "the call" STS will answer supposedly
[23:01] <QueenVee> no, i don't think you're gonna get them to do that
[23:01] <kindred> what would you tell the bank nick
[23:01] <Nick> who the group or the zetas?
[23:01] <QueenVee> Nick: why should they give you and your group anymore "proof" than they are giving anyone else?
[23:01] <kindred> hey queen honest question here
[23:01] <QueenVee> what question?
[23:02] <kindred> was gene rodenbury some how connected to any of this
[23:02] <tied2> lol
[23:02] <Nick> QV: because they would need it before they would take futher action.
[23:02] <QueenVee> need it more than anyone else?
[23:02] <kindred> no laughing tied
[23:03] <Nick> QV: i might really do it in a month or two... so thats why i asking.
[23:03] <kindred> honest question
[23:03] <kindred> think of it
[23:03] <QueenVee> Nick: well.... good luck.....
[23:03] <kindred> alot of the way the zeta work is in the way the federation worked
[23:03] <QueenVee> kindred: why would you think he's "connected" to this, and what do you mean by "connected?
[23:04] <kindred> and the part obut them hydreeding with us that was in th EARTH final conflic
[23:04] * QueenVee sighs, wondering why she is being plagued by such strange questions today....
[23:04] <Nick> QV: i don't live haphazaardly/passively live many of those around me. i intend to act on what i know, and tell people before PX is visible in the sky.
[23:05] <kindred> Queen no need to thrpw up the arms here
[23:05] <tied2> Nick good man
[23:05] <kindred> I know star trek in and out
[23:05] <kindred> and alot of it coralated with what is happening now
[23:05] <fetus> nick tell your friends about natural earth changes...not aliens, most of them won't listen..
[23:06] * Looking up scooby user info...
[23:06] <fetus> earthquakes, volcanos, droughts, strange weather...that sort of thing may get them interested..
[23:06] <QueenVee> kindred: i have no idea
[23:06] * Looking up Zetapal user info...
[23:06] <kindred> that isnt what nick is getting at Fetus
[23:06] <fetus> what are you getting at nick?
[23:06] <kindred> he wants undeniable proof before leaping in over his head
[23:06] <Nick> that is correct.
[23:07] <QueenVee> and to get his friends on side
[23:07] <fetus> no need to leap in over your head
[23:07] <Nick> almost time the sound the ALARM
[23:07] <QueenVee> Nick: why should they give YOU undeniable proof over anybody else?
[23:07] <kindred> no his friends are with him but we all need more to act with
[23:07] <Nick> yaaay!
[23:07] <kindred> they gave the government undeniable proof
[23:08] <QueenVee> you people really have to read zetatalk
[23:08] <kindred> and look at them all cozy in thier safe houses
[23:08] <Nick> QV: see, its hard to tell sometimes if you have read it.  some people are just obscure.
[23:08] <kindred> have they or have they not been talking with the government
[23:09] <kindred> why should that select few be so priviledged
[23:09] <QueenVee> kindred: your comments demonstrate that you have not read some really basic parts of zetatalk
[23:09] <QueenVee> sorry to be cranky, but i'm just not in the mood to provide the Cliff's Notes version of it
[23:10] <QueenVee> suffice to say that you have a misconception of it
[23:10] <QueenVee> read the section titled GOVERNMENT
[23:10] <kindred> I read it but everone has thier intake on what they have siad
[23:10] <Nick> i always managed to get shot down by people when i talk about who is "going" and who isn't to going to helped out by me.  The
[23:10] <QueenVee> kindred: you have not read it carefully
[23:11] <QueenVee> it is not the zetas who have told the government
[23:11] <QueenVee> it was another STS group of aliens
[23:11] <QueenVee> and they gave thegovernment misinformation
[23:11] <kindred> but they still know for certian that they are there
[23:11] <QueenVee> their "safe houses" are really not safe at all
[23:11] <Nick> and what do you peoples think of this - my strategy: save those who can be saved AND who could help out in the group
[23:11] <QueenVee> i give up
[23:12] <QueenVee> go read zetatalk
[23:12] <QueenVee> and form your own conclusions
[23:12] <Zetapal> Nick sounds good to me
[23:13] <Zetapal> but I guess attitude is the key, you need good folk
[23:13] <Nick> --- and leave those who cannot help in any way and will slow down the group/ or who could cause harm
[23:14] <Zetapal> preferrably people you have experience with
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[23:15] <Nick> QV: have you seen alien craft yourself, cousciously?
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[23:15] <QueenVee> not craft, but alien beings
[23:16] <kindred> ok queen answer one question at a time small ones
[23:16] <kindred> does the government know zeta exist (y/N)
[23:17] <QueenVee> kindred: you already know that if you have read zetatalk
[23:17] <kindred> do they know about Nancy Ledier(Y/N)
[23:17] <tied2> kindred yes
[23:17] <kindred> so that is a yes
[23:17] <kindred> good
[23:17] <Nick> QV: i have seen many purported videos of aliens and their ships, and have a sort of good idea of their capabilities, so
[23:18] <kindred> and they now about nancy.........
[23:18] <tied2> yes
[23:18] <kindred> and her crusade to warn people
[23:18] <tied2> yes
[23:18] <kindred> they the goverment know for sure if this is going to happen or not
[23:19] <kindred> why should they be so privelidged
[23:19] <tied2> they know for sure theres a planet and it's heading our way ...
[23:19] <kindred> they have alrerady spent milloions if ifact it will happen to prepare them selves
[23:19] <tied2> sure
[23:20] <Nick> QV: Why arent there more accurate movies in theatres about the pole-shift and aliens?  And is nancy's script ever gonna take?
[23:20] <QueenVee> kindred: it's a little more complex than that. i can only suggest you read the section titled GOVERNMENT. if you are too lazy to do that, then there's not much i can say to help you understand
[23:20] <kindred> I have thousands only at my disposal
[23:20] <Zetapal> but they aren't certain of the effect it will have
[23:20] <tied2> well get prepared
[23:20] <kindred> to spend it all would seem a good idea ONLY if it were really going to happen
[23:21] <scooby> scooby: when you're done, can you come over and do mine?
[23:21] <scooby> QV: I am walking out the door right now...
[23:21] <kindred> but the zeta have told thru nancy what will happen and the government knows all we dothat is for sure and they at least know of the alien presence as a certianty
[23:21] <tied2> Kindred  so spend some now and build  because if the poleshift don't kill us Bush probably will
[23:22] <Nick> QueenVee - did you see my question?
[23:22] <QueenVee> yes, Nick. i'm ignoring it.
[23:22] <Nick> why?
[23:23] <scooby> she probably wants you to read the site first
[23:23] <kindred> what do you mean by that Tiead
[23:23] <kindred> tied
[23:23] <QueenVee> how the hell do i know why there aren't movies about the poleshift?
[23:23] <scooby> Nick: I'll take a stab at it
[23:23] <scooby> Nick: movies aren't real
[23:24] <tied2> means Bush seems intent on starting a war with Iraq
[23:24] <kindred> this whole sinerio would make a good movie  actually
[23:24] <Nick> there needs to be some serious motivation in Hollywood to get the truth out.
[23:24] <scooby> but Hollywood would have to put it
[23:24] <kindred> who cares
[23:24] <scooby> 's spin
[23:24] <Nick> scooby: thanx
[23:25] <QueenVee> yeah, that's the answer skippy -- get hollywood to make a movie
[23:25] <scooby> and everything would come out rosy in the end and Goerge Cloony and J Lo would be the only ones left standing in the end
[23:25] <kindred> does nancy have copy right on the idea
[23:25] <scooby> you're joking, right?
[23:26] <scooby> tied2: Bush's war has been long in the making
[23:26] <Nick> nancy's script needs more publicity and maybe a little Hollywood touches...After all it could really make a cool movie, if you think
[23:26] <scooby> watch for something to happen in Jan/Feb.
[23:26] <scooby> not about the movie...
[23:27] <scooby> US will prolly start invading in Feb, once our efforts to find anything have been thuroughly frustrated
[23:27] <kindred> better then ID4
[23:27] <scooby> by not finding anything
[23:27] <scooby> and our "service"men and women have been able to spend the holidays with their families
[23:28] <kindred> might as well have his last hurrah as the future president of nothing
[23:28] <Nick> im serious.  Someone with the connect/s needs to take a good long look at it.
[23:28] <scooby> I actually heard this from some "patriots" in another part of the web.
[23:28] <scooby> Nick: I think it would be a huge waste of time for Nancy.  She has more important work
[23:28] <kindred> yes nick I do agree
[23:29] <scooby> and it would completely dilute the message
[23:29] <Nick> hollywood would dilute the message? have the aliens eating the people?
[23:29] <kindred> lol
[23:29] <scooby> no, put a christian spin on it or something
[23:29] <scooby> they NEVER get it right
[23:30] <Nick> well then i guess all hope is lost.
[23:30] <scooby> no.
[23:30] <scooby> there are other forms of mass communication
[23:30] <Nick> were doomed if the movies doesn't take.
[23:30] <scooby> lol
[23:30] <Nick> lol.
[23:31] <scooby> we're doomed if it DOES take
[23:31] <scooby> lol
[23:31] <scooby> either way...
[23:31] <kindred> all everybody wants is some absolute proff as to the times ahead
[23:31] <scooby> don't you feel it in your soul?
[23:31] <scooby> I know I do
[23:31] <QueenVee> well, you're not going to get it
[23:31] <Nick> hey theres nothing wrong with the christian thing...
[23:31] <scooby> lol
[23:31] <scooby> ever heard of the Crusades?
[23:31] <kindred> and not one person here or thier is willing do give it except in the form of the literature here and on ZT
[23:32] <scooby> or the Inquisition?
[23:32] <Nick> im gonna encourage that for believers as something to remember and cling to during the worst of times.
[23:32] <fetus> what do you need absolute proof for?...just go buy some camping supplies..
[23:32] <fetus> affordable things...bit by bit..
[23:32] <scooby> yard sales are good for that
[23:32] <Nick> gotta g0.
[23:32] <scooby> nite
[23:32] <fetus> make yourself feel better by getting things that could be useful to you in the event of a disaster instead of that new video game.
[23:33] <scooby> lol
[23:33] <Nick> byeyall.
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[23:33] <scooby> or watching that new movie
[23:33] <scooby> damn
[23:33] <fetus> noooooooooo
[23:33] <kindred> I doubt a few campus supplies will keep my family alive for years as our world lies in ruins
[23:33] <scooby> our world will still be livable
[23:33] <fetus> kindred...stocking is a bad idea
[23:33] <scooby> it will just be very different than we are used to
[23:33] <fetus> you've got to learn to live in nature without taking all this shit with us
[23:33] <scooby> right
[23:34] <scooby> adapt
[23:34] <fetus> books on survival and outdoor living..
[23:34] <kindred> yes thieves will be plentiful as everyone who liuves and wasnt prepared will want what they do not have
[23:34] <scooby> and earthships
[23:34] <fetus> what you can forage for food...how to build different types of shelter..
[23:34] <scooby> http://www.earthship.org/edu/what.php
[23:34] <scooby> build one out of spare rubber tires and earth
[23:35] <scooby> grow your own food, and live off of the grid entirely
[23:35] <fetus> well thatsa one way :)
[23:35] <scooby> :)
[23:35] <kindred> the strong will live and the weak will die
[23:35] <scooby> some of the strong will die too
[23:35] <fetus> i cant see any gardening happening unless its hydro for quite sometime
[23:35] <QueenVee> no, the STO will live and the STS will die
[23:35] <scooby> indoor
[23:35] <scooby> and some of the weak will live on
[23:35] <kindred> many backs will be stepped on as the strong work there way to the top and live like kings
[23:36] <kindred> in the new world order
[23:36] <scooby> that is what is happening NOW
[23:36] <kindred> all STS will die
[23:36] <QueenVee> kindred: that's not what is indicated in zetatalk, so why do you go on with this personal vision of yours?
[23:37] <scooby> will all STS die immediately?  I thought I remembered hearing that some will live on, and try to take power
[23:37] <kindred> because humans are humans and not zetans
[23:37] <scooby> only to be phased out over the period of 100 years or so
[23:37] <QueenVee> right. and you're another human who thinks he knows better than the zetas.
[23:37] <kindred> we are not all noble and caring my family will come before I think to feed another
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[23:37] <inkpen> hello
[23:38] <fetus> scooby: I think it means once they die naturally their souls will not incarnate here anymore
[23:38] <scooby> hi ink
[23:38] <scooby> i don't think that is accurate
[23:38] <scooby> this is a learning facility for us
[23:38] <kindred> yes that is true fetus
[23:38] <scooby> and will continue to be one
[23:38] <fetus> no one will kill them
[23:38] <kindred> yes a lesson that will not be learned over night or in our life time
[23:39] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Preparation for the MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with www.zetatalk.com. Those who wish to debate the validity of the poleshift/ZetaTalk are NOT welcome. Newcomers should read www.zetatalk.com for answers to basic questions.'
[23:39] <inkpen> i found out something today...and im not sure if its a good thing or a bad thinh
[23:39] <scooby> fetus: right. no one will kill them and many will live thru the shift, but won't they later incarnate here in the future?  Or do they have a bunch of learning to do still?
[23:40] <scooby> what's that ink?
[23:40] <inkpen> i have a family of spies (father side)
[23:40] <QueenVee> scooby: no, if you read zetatalk you would know that they will not reincarnate here on earth
[23:40] <scooby> QV: ok
[23:40] <kindred> it wold take close to 100 years to weed out all the STS
[23:40] <fetus> yes
[23:41] <inkpen> my dad says he quit cesis a couple mounths ago(i dont know) and i have several cousins in the cia
[23:41] <fetus> it will also take that long for the planet to "cool" down
[23:41] <scooby> what is cesis?
[23:41] <kindred> and at that piont we would change over to 4th density
[23:41] <inkpen> canadas version of cia
[23:41] <scooby> can someone explain the 4th density to me?
[23:41] <scooby> inkpen: gotcha
[23:41] <QueenVee> CSIS, not cesis
[23:42] <QueenVee> scooby: read the section of DENSITY
[23:42] <QueenVee> ON
[23:42] <inkpen> oh i spell the way i pronounce :)
[23:42] <fetus> blop!
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[23:43] * QueenVee sets mode: +m
[23:43] <QueenVee> look, guys. by asking such basic questions here in the chatroom, you are only going to get simple replies that will lead to misunderstandings. please read zetatalk to get a better basic grounding in the subject.
[23:44] <QueenVee> this is not zetatalk 101, this is a chatroom for those who already know the basics of zetatalk.
[23:44] <QueenVee> okay?
[23:44] * QueenVee sets mode: -m
[23:44] * ChanServ sets mode: +o inkpen
[23:45] <inkpen> brb
[23:45] <kindred> QueenVee your fiath is unfetering, you have better vision then I and I am saddened that I do not see a rosy out look in my sons future as he will have a much tougher time then I would have ever wanted for him
[23:46] <QueenVee> unfetering?
[23:46] <QueenVee> please don't put words into my mouth
[23:46] <QueenVee> i have never claimed that there is a "rosy" outlook for the future
[23:46] <QueenVee> i have stated over and over again that it is going to be damned hard
[23:47] <kindred> you take what the Zeta say to be absolute when you yourselfe have no seen one
[23:47] <scooby> so, I am trying to understand this.. is density used interchangably with what we were taught are dimensions?
[23:47] <QueenVee> SCOOBY: I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU TO READ THE SECTION ON DENSITY. IF YOU ASK AGAIN WITHOUT READING THE SECTION I WILL KICK YOUL.
[23:47] <scooby> I am reading it right now...
[23:48] <scooby> sheesh
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[23:48] <MattJB> hey
[23:48] <QueenVee> KINDRED: THIS IS A CHATROOM FOR THOSE WHO TALK ZETATALK SERIOUSLY, AND IT IS NOT A CHATROOM FOR DEBATING THE VALIDITY OF ZETATALK. IF YOU PERSIST, I WILL KICK YOU
[23:48] <QueenVee> AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR?>
[23:48] <QueenVee> Hello Matt
[23:49] <QueenVee> Kindred: if you want to debate zetatalk, please go to #troubled_times
[23:49] <QueenVee> this is a chatroom for those who want to learn about what zetatalk says and to understand it
[23:49] <QueenVee> and to prepare for the poleshift based on what is provided in zetatalk
[23:50] <kindred> I do not debate it but everytime I ask a simple question to get a little validity all I get is stone walled
[23:50] <QueenVee> you're not going to get validity
[23:50] <QueenVee> period.
[23:50] <QueenVee> the material either speaks to you or it doesn't
[23:50] <kindred> i see that
[23:50] <QueenVee> you are welcome here as long as you are willing to respect the parameters of the chat room
[23:51] <MattJB> what's happening guysn gals?
[23:52] <scooby> reading zetatalk right now..
[23:52] <scooby> :)
[23:52] * JurAFK is now known as Jurian
[23:52] <QueenVee> hello Jurian
[23:52] <kindred> kinda like beleaving in god you do or you dont and the zeta ask you to beleave thier reverand as such just like the bible
[23:53] <QueenVee> kindred: you are free to believe or not believe anything you like
[23:53] <QueenVee> but i will not have you subvert this chatroom into endless debate about the validity of zetachat
[23:53] <Jurian> morning QueenVee :)
[23:53] <QueenVee> this room is about preparation
[23:53] <raincity> kindred: Zetatalk must resonate with you on a level, or you wouldn't be here.
[23:53] <kindred> it does
[23:53] <kindred> very much so
[23:54] <QueenVee> good morning Jurian
[23:54] <MattJB> just played squash and i feel terrible
[23:54] <MattJB> trying to work off those weekend binges
[23:54] <inkpen> now i know why my dad knew i was smoking pot when i lived with him :)
[23:55] <MattJB> my body hates me
[23:55] <QueenVee> Kindred: stop and think about whether you maybe just need to read the zetatalk material and think on it a while and decide whether it is something you can take seriously
[23:56] <MattJB> try n finish it before may tho kindred ;)
[23:57] <kindred> yes will sleep on it
[23:57] <QueenVee> it's perfectly OK to say, some of this makes sense to me and some of it doesnt
[23:58] <QueenVee> but then this is not really the right chatroom for you
[23:58] <QueenVee> because this is for people who take it seriously
Session Close: Mon Dec 02 00:00:00 2002