Session Start: Thu Dec 05 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[00:01] <tied> [C]: hello
[00:01] <tied> [C]: QV should go bite me
[00:02] <tied> what the fuck?
[00:02] <QueenVee> i'm off to bed
[00:02] <QueenVee> have fun people
[00:02] <scooby-atwork> nite
[00:02] <scooby-atwork> i'm outta here!
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[00:04] <Zetapal> snowing here by the way - Richmond VA - very cold, about 6 inches so far, started about 8 hrs ago
[00:04] <Zetapal> tied - lol
[00:05] <tied2> let it snow let it snow  let it snow
[00:06] <tied> [C]: you told QV ?
[00:06] <tied2> I'm so happy my head is spenning
[00:07] <Zetapal> [C]: hell no tied, what are you drunk? I would NEVER tell her about this, on that you can be sure.
[00:09] <tied> [C]: OK i WAS JUST CHECKEN AND yes I am drunk
[00:10] <Zetapal> :)
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[00:11] <tied2>   «««««««««««« Hello rice_crispies »»»»»»»»»»»»
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[00:12] <nickname> sorry
[00:12] <tied2> for?
[00:12] <nickname> my bad name
[00:13] <nickname> i lost my connection, it is quiet now
[00:14] <Zetapal> tied see other channel
[00:14] <nickname> pal, what other channel
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[00:16] <Zetapal> Nick i was referring to the troubled times channel
[00:16] <tied2> hey there nickname  you been here before?
[00:17] <nickname> yes
[00:17] <nickname> few hours ago
[00:17] <nickname> pal, what is the site address for that channel?
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[00:19] <Zetapal> #Troubled_Times
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[00:22] <cmel> morn'
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[00:23] <Zetapal> Hi cmel
[00:23] <cmel> hi
[00:23] <Zetapal> left you a msg
[00:23] <cmel> where
[00:23] <tied2>    cmel H E L L O cmel
[00:23] <cmel> hi tied2
[00:23] <Zetapal> pm
[00:24] <cmel> pm?
[00:24] <Zetapal> yeah, don't see it?
[00:24] <nickname> hello
[00:25] <cmel> hi
[00:25] <Zetapal> Hi nick
[00:26] <nickname> helloaga in pal, and hello cmel
[00:27] <nickname> i was banned minutes ago, what for
[00:27] <nickname> tied2 is not letting me know ..
[00:27] <cmel> I dunno
[00:28] <cmel> [C]: tied2 why did you ban him ? :)
[00:30] <cmel> hhmm
[00:30] <nickname> eduah/itlxy0bx1bv.s0bcv1dwxzn1w2/no/gngjo0x5qcq0
[00:30] <nickname> ?
[00:30] <tied> [C]: be cause he/she is spoofing there ip
[00:30] <cmel> [C]: ok :)
[00:30] <Zetapal> gobbledy gook?
[00:31] <nickname> what is that
[00:31] <cmel> [C]: is Queen capable of that ?
[00:31] <Zetapal> beats me
[00:32] <tied> [C]: if she is she don't have the key
[00:32] <Zetapal> cmel if you didn't get  my pm - I will repost some of it here for ya
[00:32] <Zetapal> Hi cmel, don't know when I'll see you but a heads-up for you, Speilberg's mini-series "Taken" is currently being posted in    alt.binaries.great   - the series is 10 parts,2hours each -
[00:32] <cmel> [C]: yes, I saw you talking in code earlier
[00:32] <cmel> ok zetapal
[00:33] <Zetapal>  the files are 243Mb each in asf format - the poster "sterntuary" does good work and is dependable
[00:33] <Zetapal> <Zetapal> episodes 1 and 2 are currently up now - This popular miniseries should be in demand since many cable providers have moved the sci-fi channel up into the higher channels which makes it only
[00:33] <Zetapal> available to those with digital boxes
[00:33] <cmel> ok great zetapal
[00:33] <Zetapal>  be advised - the entire series will take up about 2.5 gig uncompressed
[00:33] <Zetapal>  I am collecting this series.
[00:33] <cmel> brb
[00:35] <tied> [C]: some am I wrong for booting someone who is spoofing there ip?
[00:36] <cmel> [C]: I don't really mind :)
[00:37] <cmel> zetapal, that sterntuary guy is a big poster
[00:37] <nickname> what is that gibberish!!
[00:38] <nickname> its ugly text, do you have to type it all
[00:38] <tied2> it's all greek to me
[00:39] <nickname> you could answer your messages
[00:40] <Zetapal> yeah cmel - sterntuary does good work too - i can always count on his quality - i hope i'm not wrong in this case, I'm counting on it
[00:40] <tied2> nickname   so how long have you known about the PS
[00:41] <nickname> I came across it long time ago
[00:41] <tied2> like how long ago?
[00:41] <nickname> this zeta reticula one is new for me
[00:41] <nickname> maybe 75, 76
[00:41] <tied2> huh explain?
[00:42] <tied2> oh well hell tell us about it
[00:42] <nickname> about what
[00:42] <nickname> zeta reticula?
[00:42] <tied2> yes
[00:43] <nickname> don't know much yet, there is so many links to read
[00:43] <tied2> you been reading sence 75 and you don't know?
[00:44] <nickname> back then, it was in a book I came across
[00:44] <nickname> speculating about a poleshift caused by massive nuclear explosions
[00:44] <tied2> what was the name of the book?
[00:44] <nickname> I don't remember...
[00:45] <nickname> it was a spanish author by the way
[00:45] <cmel> back in 75 I was but a toddler
[00:45] <tied2> oh well what can you tell us about the poleshift?
[00:45] <tied2> cmel lol
[00:45] <cmel> haha
[00:45] <nickname> is this a test?
[00:46] <tied2> well yes sence you are not who you say you are .....I want to know ...can you answer?
[00:46] <nickname> no, I don't know much
[00:46] <nickname> what do you mean I'm not who I say
[00:47] <tied2> ok then you probably should go read zetatalk then
[00:47] <nickname> you sent that to me in a message, can you explain now ?
[00:47] <nickname> read some but I not expert on it
[00:47] <nickname> I am not
[00:48] <tied2> you been reading sence 75 and your not a experet?
[00:48] <nickname> around then, I read it in a book about poleshift events
[00:49] <nickname> it was not talking about the grays
[00:49] <tied2> oh well you should probably come back tommoroww and talk to Queen Vee
[00:49] <nickname> I spoke with queenvee tonight
[00:50] <tied2> oh kewl
[00:50] <nickname> what's up?
[00:50] <tied2> so do you have any questions?
[00:50] <nickname> not really...
[00:51] <tied2> oh ok
[00:51] <cmel> so you have your answers then :)
[00:51] <nickname> what is the problem tied2 ?
[00:55] <cmel> [C]: tied2 what do you do when you check ppl's ip ?
[00:59] <tied> [C]: it's 3J and shadowcow
[01:00] <cmel> [C]: that does the checking ?
[01:04] <tied2> it's j or yoshy and they can read that
[01:04] <cmel> k
[01:04] <cmel> I only know traceroute ping ipconfig
[01:05] <cmel> heh
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[01:23] <ArcticVVolf> i got 7 toast an caramel spread mmmmmm
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[01:53] <MattJB> hey kids
[01:58] <MattJB> anyone awake
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[03:27] <Alex> hi
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[06:56] <cmel-busy> hi
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[07:02] <raincity> hi
[07:03] <cmel> hello
[07:03] <cmel> sorry for the delay
[07:03] <cmel> I was away shortly
[07:03] <cmel> :)
[07:10] <raincity> yeah, I have the same habit.
[07:10] <cmel> heh
[07:11] <cmel> I was looking at pictures of the Sydney fire
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[07:30] <freax> just as i figured
[07:31] <freax> wow, sooo many bans
[07:31] <freax> =P
[07:31] <freax> i see you people are using the blowfish key
[07:31] <cmel> heh
[07:31] <freax> and the key Jurian and i generated
[07:31] <freax> someone told someone else
[07:32] <freax> the key has been changed
[07:32] <freax> no one but a select few will be able to view it from now on
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[09:08] <DRGREEN> hello all.
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[09:21] <obaway> hi
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[09:21] <ArcTicWoLf> hey cmel
[09:24] <ArcTicWoLf> brb
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[09:29] <cmel> hey
[09:29] <DRGREEN> hi?
[09:30] <cmel> hows it going ?
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[09:31] <cmel> hi red
[09:31] <cmel> hi QV
[09:31] <QueenVee> hello all
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[09:31] <QueenVee> how is everybody today?
[09:31] <obaway> mmm if you are interrested in it or maybe if you have seen it before ... it's interresting if you read it with an open mind taht is ... for those who can't speak dutch it's in Dutch ... members.lyocs.nl/soeratalaachier
[09:31] <obaway> QueenVee: i am fine :)
[09:31] <Red> greetings
[09:32] <Red> just doing a quick hit n run ...   going to be away for a couple weeks
[09:32] <QueenVee> hey Red
[09:32] <QueenVee> vacation?
[09:33] <Red> no on the road job... should be interesting
[09:33] <cmel> hhmm
[09:34] <DRGREEN> Obany could you post that again as a working link?
[09:34] <DRGREEN> What's on it?
[09:34] <Red> nasty time of year to tour BC and AB but so far the weather is warmer than usual... still freezing but not -20 or anything like that -- so far
[09:35] <QueenVee> can someboy give me a valid five-digit american zip code?
[09:36] <QueenVee> i'm trying to get into a site, and they require an american zip code
[09:36] <obaway> mmm if you are interrested in it or maybe if you have seen it before ... it's interresting if you read it with an open mind taht is ... for those who can't speak dutch it's in Dutch ... http://members.lyocs.nl/soeratalaachier  mmm might sound like the Koran but still just try to read between the lines
[09:36] <cmel> 90210
[09:36] <QueenVee> lol
[09:36] <cmel> hehe
[09:36] <QueenVee> hey, i'll try it
[09:37] <obaway> mmm if you are interrested in it or maybe if you have seen it before ... it's interresting if you read it with an open mind taht is ... for those who can't speak dutch it's in Dutch ... http://members.lycos.nl/soeratalaachier  mmm might sound like the Koran but still just try to read between the lines
[09:37] <DRGREEN> Obany, I would but the link is non-operational. Lycos is spelled wrong, but even when I type this right something still is wrong because it doesn't seem to work.
[09:37] <obaway> that's it
[09:37] <DRGREEN> soeratalaachier?
[09:37] <DRGREEN> oh wait, new post
[09:37] <DRGREEN> a got it.
[09:38] <obaway> loose the e
[09:38] <cmel> did it work QV ?
[09:38] <DRGREEN> oh, still doesn't work. lose wich 'e'?
[09:38] <QueenVee> yeah, it did!
[09:39] <cmel> haha
[09:39] <cmel> lol
[09:39] * cmel is cracking up
[09:40] <obaway> http://members.lycos.nl/soeratalaachir/
[09:40] <QueenVee> i'll have to remember that zip code in future
[09:40] <cmel> hehe yes
[09:40] <DRGREEN> I sure was impressed with the new pics by Naji, really seems like the tail is showing up. Damn, PX passing in 2003 seems more likely every day but still I doubt.
[09:40] <DRGREEN> Thx abany.
[09:41] <DRGREEN> o
[09:41] <Red> got to run...   maybe see ya over the weekend
[09:41] <cmel> yes I agree DRG
[09:41] <QueenVee> have a good trip Red
[09:41] <Red> if you see HBO, kick him in the shins for me ;)
[09:41] <Red> thanks    ciao
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[09:42] * QueenVee wonders what HBO has done to deserve a kick in the shins
[09:42] <obaway> guess doubts are well human ... something that belong to us humans ... what is 100%?
[09:43] <cmel> hhmmm
[09:43] <QueenVee> exactly -- can anyone say that they believe 100% in anything?
[09:43] <cmel> not me no
[09:44] <cmel> heck I'm not even cristian
[09:44] <cmel> I'm an ateist
[09:44] <DRGREEN> I believe 100% in the fact that I do not know all.
[09:44] <DRGREEN> Nice piece of text obany.
[09:44] <QueenVee> ha, very good
[09:44] <QueenVee> yes, that is the only certainty
[09:45] <cmel> thats the one thing I can believe in
[09:45] <cmel> hah
[09:45] <Ralf> i believe 100% that i'm gonna die someday
[09:45] <cmel> thats the other
[09:45] <DRGREEN> that's seems true also.
[09:45] <QueenVee> okay, Ralf wins that one
[09:45] <QueenVee> nice one, ralf
[09:45] <Ralf> i'm not going to be a heinlein character and get my brain transplanted into a new body. :-p
[09:46] <QueenVee> now that i know you're awake, ralf -- how are the changes to the site coming...?
[09:46] <cmel> heh
[09:46] <Ralf> i *just* got out of bed :-p
[09:46] <QueenVee> (sometimes it's best to lie low)
[09:46] <cmel> oops
[09:46] <obaway> Green: yes ... it's not mine .. but from a friend of mine ..
[09:46] <Ralf> i'm not lying about that, either
[09:46] <Ralf> :-p
[09:46] <DRGREEN> so, some things are 100%. But knowledge and certainty still isn't, Why do I doubt even when I have run out of reasons why 2003 would not happen.
[09:46] <Ralf> i haven't even showered yet, and i smell
[09:46] <QueenVee> hey, i believe you, ralf -- 100%
[09:46] <DRGREEN> The PS I mean.
[09:46] <obaway> i am not an atheist... Believe that God exists ... but well different then as the bible is saying
[09:46] <DRGREEN> 2003 will come anyway.
[09:47] <cmel> cmell
[09:47] <Ralf> i was trying to fix that font thing last night but i fell asleep in my desk chair
[09:47] <cmel> I have a patent on that
[09:47] <Ralf> right next to kurt, who fell asleep while filling in a website to get some car insurance
[09:47] <QueenVee> has anyone other than me fallen asleep in front of their computer, and ended up sleeping there all night?
[09:47] <Ralf> yeah
[09:47] <Ralf> i have
[09:47] <cmel> yes
[09:47] <Ralf> at home i have a big comfy leather executive chair
[09:48] <QueenVee> yes, i have a lovely comfy chair i work from too
[09:48] <DRGREEN> I think the concept of what gos exactly is is quite well written down in the piece of text you gave obany.
[09:48] <DRGREEN> god
[09:48] <cmel> I ussually sit with my laptop, in a very comfy chair, so ...
[09:48] <QueenVee> but i'm thinking of getting a new one -- i'd love to have a chair that could just automatically turn into a bed
[09:48] <cmel> hehe
[09:49] <QueenVee> you know you're middle-aged when you actually start considering getting a Lazy-Boy
[09:49] <cmel> haha
[09:49] <cmel> sorry
[09:50] <QueenVee> it's not funny.... it's sad.....
[09:50] <cmel> yes
[09:50] <scooby> http://cooltech.iafrica.com/technews/188999.htm
[09:50] <QueenVee> very very sad
[09:50] <scooby> burned by a laptop
[09:50] <scooby> be careful cmel
[09:50] <Ralf> uh
[09:51] <Ralf> QueenVee: that's not true
[09:51] <Ralf> if that were the case, both kurt and i would have been middle-aged before we could legally buy alcohol in the US
[09:51] <QueenVee> oh, what an awful story
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[09:51] <QueenVee> Ralf: meaning you have lazy-boys?
[09:51] <cmel> I'm trying scooby
[09:51] <DRGREEN> haha
[09:51] <scooby> lol
[09:51] <Ralf> not currently
[09:51] <cmel> lol
[09:51] <Ralf> but we had two in our office in wisconsin
[09:52] <Ralf> in the conference room
[09:52] <QueenVee> Ralf: now, i'm not talking about something you inherited from your family; i'm talking about actually going out and spending your own hard-earned cash on a lazy-boy
[09:52] <Ralf> we paid for them
[09:52] <Ralf> actually i was going to get kurt a new one for christmas this year
[09:52] <Ralf> and i'm a whopping 25
[09:52] <QueenVee> okay, well, that's just bad taste
[09:52] <Ralf> :-p
[09:52] <Ralf> no
[09:52] <Ralf> the dude wants one
[09:53] <cmel> heh
[09:53] <QueenVee> when you're young, aethetics are supposed to come before comfort
[09:54] <Ralf> s/young/stupid
[09:54] <cmel> hhhmm
[09:54] <Ralf> i'd rather have stuff that's comfortable
[09:55] <cmel> I'd like a stone to sit on, I only have a laptop and dirt :(
[09:55] <QueenVee> well, i wasn't as sensible as you when i was young
[09:56] <QueenVee> when i was young i bought clothes based on how well they'd show off my figure. now i buy clothes based on how comfortable they are and how easily they wash....
[09:56] <QueenVee> ah, middle age
[09:56] <cmel> thats a better view :)
[09:57] <cmel> more practical
[09:58] <DRGREEN> hehe
[09:58] <cmel> ah DRG
[09:58] <cmel> has entered the room
[09:59] <QueenVee> about that article about laptop burn: i don't know how people comfortably use laptops actually sitting on their laps. i made myself a cool little slanted table that slides up to any chair....
[09:59] <cmel> ok
[09:59] <scooby> much safer
[09:59] <DRGREEN> I', only 20 and I only buy clothes that feel comfortable, I do not care about my looks, I'm pretty even without nice clothes hehe.
[09:59] <scooby> lol
[09:59] <cmel> I use it on my lap
[09:59] <cmel> heh
[10:01] <Ralf> i've gotten laptop burn
[10:02] <Ralf> from running my laptop with it plugged in
[10:02] <Ralf> on my lap
[10:02] <Ralf> in bed
[10:02] <Ralf> it burns my um... bathing suit areas
[10:02] * obaway some food
[10:02] <Ralf> and doesn't feel too good
[10:02] <DRGREEN> hehe
[10:02] <scooby> ouch
[10:04] <cmel> haha ralf
[10:04] <QueenVee> obany: are you still there?
[10:04] <DRGREEN> *crunch* he's not here.
[10:04] <cmel> obaway are allways there ?
[10:05] <cmel> ping obany
[10:07] <cmel> hhhmmm
[10:07] <cmel> not there
[10:07] <QueenVee> THIS IS VERY FUNNY: Sapphire (of www.skepticalmind.com) has been trying to find out my real name.....
[10:07] <QueenVee> he somehow discovered the name that my internet account is in.....
[10:07] <cmel> but your name is known
[10:08] <QueenVee> what's my name cmel?
[10:08] <cmel> brb
[10:08] <QueenVee> continuing: and has put that name up on his website....
[10:08] <QueenVee> trouble is....
[10:08] <QueenVee> my internet account is in my MOTHER's name!
[10:09] <QueenVee> i'm staying with her temporarily, and we just added it to her existing phone bill....
[10:09] <QueenVee> LOL
[10:09] <Ralf> ugh what an idiot
[10:09] <QueenVee> he really is
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[10:10] <RNTHOMAS> Howdy all...
[10:11] <cmel> hi
[10:11] <RNTHOMAS> Morgan Stanley - large bank is short a pile of gold...   Things are starting to come down...
[10:11] <RNTHOMAS> Howdy.
[10:11] <scooby> QV: Victoria
[10:11] <scooby> dunno the last one
[10:12] <RNTHOMAS> Scooby:- You in Victoria, as in Victoria B.C.?
[10:12] <scooby> QV: lol
[10:12] <cmel> haha
[10:13] <QueenVee> i sure hope no one who knows my mother would ever read Sapphire's site -- she'll not be pleased
[10:14] <cmel> heh
[10:14] <DRGREEN> Blablabla
[10:14] <RNTHOMAS> QV: don't worry we're all fruitcakes here... :)
[10:14] <DRGREEN> sapphire's a fool.
[10:15] <DRGREEN> He's not objective.
[10:15] * cmel looks forward to DRGREEN's scheduled operation, then DRG will be drugged
[10:15] <DRGREEN> What's this about the Mars artifacts? Why doesn't he show ALL the proof, just some old pictures about the face and how NASA said there wasn't anything to it. (yeah, trust NASA).
[10:16] <DRGREEN> Does he not want to see more? Does he feel not safe or something? he's not being honest and he knows it.
[10:17] <RNTHOMAS> DRGREEN:- I am told by friends that this has been planned for quite a long time...
[10:17] <cmel> who ?
[10:18] <DRGREEN> Coming again with the halebopp incident, even though Nancy and the Z's fully explained this in detail and watertight, he ignores the arguments and does not show all what has been said.
[10:18] <cmel> who ?
[10:18] <DRGREEN> Only the previous statements about it being a fraud, nothing about the changed orbit or cycleperiod.
[10:19] <DRGREEN> Sapphire
[10:19] <DRGREEN> www.scepticalmind,com
[10:19] <DRGREEN> www.scepticalmind.com
[10:19] <cmel> ok
[10:19] <scooby> two year olds are funny people
[10:19] <RNTHOMAS> zetatalk.org...
[10:19] <scooby> I was just congratulated by my 2 year old for doing number 2
[10:20] <scooby> "good yob daddy, good yob"
[10:20] <cmel> heh
[10:20] <DRGREEN> That's nice sweet
[10:20] <scooby> she wanted to flush too
[10:20] <scooby> lol
[10:20] <DRGREEN> but what's number 2?
[10:20] <cmel> lol
[10:20] <scooby> DRG: lol
[10:20] <scooby> poop
[10:20] <cmel> brb
[10:20] <DRGREEN> hehe, how sweet, I love children.
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[10:22] <Zetapal> Hello :)
[10:22] <DRGREEN> hi zetapal.
[10:22] <Zetapal> hey doc
[10:22] <DRGREEN> You ever met one conciously?
[10:23] <DRGREEN> a Zeta I mean?
[10:23] <DRGREEN> Or do you just feel connected with them and so you're a pal?
[10:23] <Zetapal> me? no
[10:24] <cmel> I met one unconciously, wel actually it was three
[10:24] <Zetapal> ah yeah, they know I'm THEIR pal
[10:24] <cmel> :)
[10:24] <cmel> heh
[10:24] <DRGREEN> :) I'm a friend of them too :)
[10:24] <cmel> good
[10:25] <scooby> bbl, going to tumbling class...
[10:25] <scooby> one more funny 2 year old thing:
[10:25] <cmel> have you flown their ships
[10:25] <DRGREEN> But last night, they left my butt quite sore. The probing went wrong, so they had to use other methods :)
[10:25] <scooby> she says "almost yet" when asked if she is ready
[10:25] <scooby> DRG: lol
[10:25] <cmel> damn anal
[10:25] <scooby> or is it alan
[10:25] <cmel> hehe
[10:25] <scooby> bbl
[10:26] <cmel> I hate those probes
[10:26] <DRGREEN> sweet children hehe.
[10:26] <DRGREEN> what's bbl?
[10:26] <DRGREEN> short for?
[10:26] <QueenVee> For those who may be interested, here's the email i just sent to Sapphire (Mike Vegas):
[10:26] <QueenVee> Hey Mike: Thanks for immortalizing my mother -- Ilene Gruden -- on your website. (My internet account is in her name.) Unfortunately, neither she nor her 65 year-old-plus friends surf the net, and therefore will not be able to enjoy her notoriety. Nonetheless, I'm certainly enjoying the humour of it. Thanks for keeping me entertained with your peculiar obssession....
[10:27] <DRGREEN> :-)
[10:27] <QueenVee> what a dweeb
[10:27] <obaway> Yes he is
[10:27] <cmel> heh
[10:28] <obaway> even more then a dweeb an asshole .. because of that asshole i am kind carefull with giving out info or puttin a picture on the web
[10:28] <obaway> as he will use it ..
[10:29] <RNTHOMAS> obaway: why worry bout it... <5 months to go...
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[10:29] <miguel> hello
[10:29] <obaway> RNTHOMAS: because there is still something as privacy
[10:29] <QueenVee> hello miguel
[10:29] <tex-at-work> hi miguel
[10:30] <miguel> hello Queen-Texas
[10:31] <cmel> hey miguel
[10:31] <miguel> hello cmel
[10:32] <cmel> hi
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[10:33] <BoY> RNTHOMAS r u there
[10:34] <RNTHOMAS> Yup...
[10:34] <BoY> did u listen to natural living today
[10:34] <RNTHOMAS> I am not feeling to great, so response is a little sluggish today... Nope... It's only 10:34 AM ...
[10:35] <RNTHOMAS> I think the Time Zone got me.
[10:35] <BoY> there is god discussion on onw about the mind
[10:35] <BoY> the time of natural living is noon est
[10:35] <BoY> lol
[10:35] <BoY> well i am off to play in snow.....
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[10:35] <RNTHOMAS> Have fun in the snow...
[10:36] <tex-at-work> off to do some work
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[10:37] * cmel sniffs the snow ..... aaahhh
[10:37] <QueenVee> i'm enjoying the snow myself
[10:38] <QueenVee> my doggie and I have been going for long walks, quite lovely
[10:39] <cmel> good
[10:40] <cmel> id' love to meet your dog :)
[10:40] <QueenVee> my poor old dog just keeps trucking along... still enjoys his walks and belly rubs....
[10:40] <QueenVee> i'll have to get my pictures rescanned, so i can show you a pic
[10:41] <cmel> that would be nice :)
[10:56] <DRGREEN> Bye all, best to you, gotta go.
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[10:58] <cmel> QueenVee I'd like to see you dog !
[10:58] <cmel> whats the name ?
[10:58] <cmel> your
[11:04] <cmel> I had a dog once
[11:04] <cmel> Tanya
[11:05] <cmel> she was a very nervous dog
[11:05] <cmel> but she loved me, and I loved her
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[11:07] <monk> hi
[11:07] <cmel> hello
[11:07] <Zetapal> hey monk
[11:08] <monk> my city has been getting sprayed bad today
[11:08] <cmel> thats bad
[11:08] <cmel> are there planes criscrossing the sky
[11:08] <monk> like 5 planes spraying all over the place
[11:09] <cmel> damn
[11:09] <monk> yea!
[11:09] <monk> the skys are so cloudy now they still spraying
[11:09] <miguel> shut the planes down
[11:09] <cmel> go indoors
[11:09] <monk> yea
[11:10] <monk> I was outside like 2 hours
[11:10] <monk> this mourning
[11:10] <cmel> put filters on your airconditioner
[11:10] <QueenVee> i can't imageine what it would be like to live with chemtrails all the time
[11:10] <QueenVee> the govt says it's not them?
[11:10] <cmel> me neither, because I don't have them
[11:11] <monk> I live in a big city in california
[11:11] <monk> theres already alot of smog damn
[11:11] <cmel> LA ?
[11:11] <monk> riverside
[11:11] <monk> about 60 miles from la
[11:11] <cmel> San Fransico ?
[11:11] <cmel> ok
[11:12] <cmel> hhmmm
[11:12] <cmel> have you been to 29 palms
[11:12] <cmel> ?
[11:12] <QueenVee> monk: how long have you been seeing the chemtrails?
[11:13] <monk> I used to live in sanbernardino and I been seeing them for about 2 years
[11:13] <cmel> hhmm
[11:13] <monk> But I gotta say today is the worst
[11:14] <cmel> are you sure it's not just planes with a purpose
[11:14] <cmel> ?
[11:14] <monk> Im sure
[11:15] <monk> these trails speard out
[11:15] <monk> and form clouds
[11:15] <cmel> ok, you know I had to ask :)
[11:15] <monk> I live by a airport airplanes come by all the time
[11:15] <cmel> ok
[11:15] <monk> by they are personal planes
[11:15] <monk> by=but
[11:16] <monk> and they never have trails
[11:16] <cmel> yes
[11:16] <monk> they are criss crossing
[11:16] <cmel> I hope you can forgive me
[11:16] <monk> they are poisoning us
[11:17] <cmel> talking about forgiving :)
[11:17] <RNTHOMAS> On zetatalk website, they say that chemtrails are only to catch your attension.
[11:17] <cmel> hhmm
[11:17] <RNTHOMAS> Remote Views (with no track record) say chemtrails are one piece of a weapon...
[11:17] <QueenVee> RN: do you have a link for that?
[11:17] <cmel> I guess attention has been aquired
[11:18] <RNTHOMAS> Sec... Lemme look
[11:18] <cmel> whats the second piece RNTH ?
[11:18] <RNTHOMAS> Dunno.. My own guess is HAARP (which zetatalk says is bunk as well)
[11:19] <monk> That was on artbell I think sean morton or ed dames said that is was a missle defense program
[11:19] <RNTHOMAS> Here's one.. http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx320.htm
[11:19] <cmel> no what I heard is that it's a submarine communication programme
[11:19] <QueenVee> RN: that's not from zetatalk, that's from Troubled Times
[11:20] <QueenVee> here's zt on chemtrails: Chemtrails likewise are a study in how to make a populace sick, so it cannot demand services and food from its government. In this, the righteous US Government is the hand of evil, and the group in the Bush Administration has blood on their hands.
[11:20] <QueenVee> http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g148.htm
[11:20] <cmel> I've read that
[11:21] <RNTHOMAS> For me, if it says 'www.zetatalk.com' on the front end it's the zetatalk website...
[11:21] <QueenVee> RN: don't be an idiot
[11:21] <cmel> heh
[11:22] <QueenVee> that piece is clearly labelled as written by one Brenda Livingston
[11:22] <QueenVee> how did you miss that small technicality
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[11:22] <QueenVee> i don't look well on people who claim to be quoting zetatalk when they are not
[11:23] * cmel thinks the world is falling down upon my head
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[11:23] <cmel> hi
[11:24] <RNTHOMAS> Well NancyL is the one that puts the stuff on the website...
[11:24] <cmel> thats right
[11:24] <RNTHOMAS> She put it there, she therefore must agree with it...  And no, I am not trying to be an idiot... You could be a little more polite, please and thanks...
[11:25] <cmel> well .... hhmmm ... ok
[11:25] <QueenVee> RN: you are continuing to be an idiot; if knew anything about the two sites,you know they are put up by different people
[11:26] <QueenVee> nancy does not put the material on troubled Times
[11:26] <QueenVee> she only runs zetatalk
[11:27] <QueenVee> and anything that nancy says herself is not zetatalk either
[11:27] <QueenVee> zetatalk is ONLY material communicated by the zetas through nancy
[11:28] <cmel> and that material is faulty
[11:28] <QueenVee> more from ZT on chemtrails: Inoculation of military personnel was a test like the chemtrails, to see what germs might sicken, and weaken.....  http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g131.htm
[11:28] <QueenVee> cmel: how is it faulty?
[11:29] <cmel> ZT states that because NancyL doesen't know all the concepts she cant convey them precisely
[11:30] <RNTHOMAS> I talked to obany and he said he doesn't put stuff on zetatalk, it's nancy that does it...
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[11:30] <cmel> QueenVee ??
[11:31] <RNTHOMAS> anyways, since you can't be polite, and simply correct my mis-understanding in a sivilized manner, I'm otta here...
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[11:33] <cmel> QueenVee ??
[11:36] <cmel> ping QV
[11:36] <QueenVee> i'm here
[11:36] <QueenVee> sorry, i was on the phone
[11:37] <cmel> thok
[11:37] <cmel> ok
[11:37] <QueenVee> cmel: yes, you're right -- NancyTalk is faulty
[11:37] <cmel> yes thats my point
[11:37] <QueenVee> i thought you said ZT was faulty, and i just wondered what you meant by that....
[11:38] <cmel> no I dont know enough to be able to state that
[11:38] <cmel> :)
[11:38] <QueenVee> i'm not implying that it's infallible by any means.....
[11:38] <QueenVee> just wondered what you meant
[11:39] <cmel> but it sound that way sometimes
[11:39] <cmel> well thats what I thought
[11:39] <QueenVee> no, i just insist that you have a sound argument for stating that something in ZT is "not true", other than that you simply don't agree with it
[11:40] <cmel> yes I agree totally QV
[11:40] <cmel> But I haven't disputed anything
[11:40] <QueenVee> the assumption is that we all think the ZT material makes sense..... and are here to discuss and understand it.....
[11:40] <cmel> yes
[11:40] <QueenVee> not just pick and choose the parts we like
[11:40] <QueenVee> does that make sense?
[11:40] <cmel> yes
[11:41] <QueenVee> hello o_O
[11:41] <cmel> I just thought you included NancyTalk
[11:41] <QueenVee> no, not at all!
[11:42] <cmel> ok then there's no prob. :)
[11:42] <QueenVee> actually, even ZT is subject to error, because it goes through Nancy, who may not be translated correctly....
[11:42] <cmel> yes
[11:42] <QueenVee> but those kind of errors are likely to be small and subtle ones.....
[11:42] <QueenVee> rather than big ones like the date of PX passing....
[11:42] <QueenVee> ya know....
[11:42] <cmel> yes
[11:42] <QueenVee> so i might say, well, i wonder if this is really what the zetas meant to say here.....
[11:42] <cmel> but error is there :(
[11:43] <cmel> yes
[11:43] <QueenVee> but to take a whole section of ZT -- let's say on the nature of 4th density -- and say, no, i don't think any of that is true....
[11:43] <cmel> like you took my words out of my mouth
[11:44] <QueenVee> that's when i get annoyed, because i just don't see the point of it
[11:44] <cmel> I hear you !
[11:44] <QueenVee> at that point you have to come up with some kind of reasonable argument as to why you believe this part of ZT is accurate, but this part is not, and why nancy would get all that info wrong, of why the zetas would try and deceive us, etc.
[11:45] <QueenVee> that's where i'm coming from
[11:45] <cmel> yes tell them, not me :)
[11:45] <QueenVee> no, i'm just explaining
[11:46] <cmel> I'm ok with all that QV
[11:46] <cmel> thats the way I feel
[11:47] <QueenVee> well, i've got to go and run some errands. see you later.
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[11:47] <cmel> late
[11:47] <cmel> r
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[11:50] <cmel> hi mansur
[11:51] <Mansur> Hi cmel, how are you?
[11:51] <cmel> I'm fine , you ?
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[11:51] <Mansur> Just fine thanks
[11:51] <cmel> good
[11:51] <Mansur> Not much happening here
[11:51] <cmel> no
[11:52] <Mansur> Are you in Denmark now?
[11:52] <cmel> I guess ppl are sleeping
[11:52] <cmel> yes
[11:52] <cmel> where are you ?
[11:53] <Mansur> I´m in Sweden stockholm
[11:53] <cmel> heh nice
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[11:53] <Mansur> We are neighbours ;)
[11:53] <cmel> yes we are, nice
[11:53] <miguel> good bye
[11:53] <Mansur> One moment please
[11:53] <cmel> later miguel
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[11:55] <cmel> traceroute
[11:56] <cmel> traceroute 195.163.42.242
[11:56] <cmel> heh
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[11:57] <scooby> try tracert 195.163.42.242
[11:57] <scooby> unless you are on a cisco router
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[11:57] <scooby> the king is gone, but he's not forgotten
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[11:58] <cmel> it's sweden for sure
[11:58] <cmel> mansur your for real heh
[12:01] <cmel> mansur you know Torbj ?
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[12:03] * o_O wants to die with a smile on his face
[12:03] * o_O be back later
[12:04] <cmel> later oh yea nameless one
[12:06] <cmel> hi o_O
[12:06] <Mansur> Hi again, got a call
[12:07] <cmel> thats ok
[12:07] <Mansur> No, I don´t know torbjörn
[12:07] <cmel> heh
[12:07] <Mansur> He is from Sweden too?
[12:07] <cmel> He lives north of stockholm
[12:07] <cmel> yes
[12:07] <Mansur> Really, me too
[12:08] <scooby> all you european poleshifters don't know each other????
[12:08] <cmel> he has a cabin in the hills
[12:08] <scooby> and brown hair
[12:08] <cmel> nah
[12:08] <scooby> lol
[12:08] <cmel> lol
[12:08] <Mansur> Oh, really
[12:08] <cmel> yep
[12:08] <Mansur> He takes this very serious then :)
[12:09] <cmel> no just a coinsidence
[12:09] <Mansur> When are you comming to the swedish hills?
[12:09] <cmel> he got his hut before
[12:09] <Mansur> Ohh, ok
[12:09] <cmel> when I see something strange in the sky
[12:09] <Mansur> Hehe
[12:09] <cmel> hehe
[12:09] <monk> :)
[12:10] <Mansur> me too, but I doubt I will see anything
[12:10] <cmel> what about you mansur ?
[12:10] <cmel> heh
[12:10] <cmel> monk ?
[12:10] <Mansur> Ohh, I have only 30 european miles to the hills
[12:10] <monk> what about what ?
[12:11] <Mansur> I can take the bicycle ;)
[12:11] <cmel> what will you do when/if it happens ?
[12:11] <monk> when what happens
[12:11] <Mansur> I will probably move up the country
[12:11] <Mansur> Monk: poleshift
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[12:12] <Shaman464> hi cmel
[12:12] <cmel> hi shaman
[12:12] <monk> Ill probaly goto wyoming and live in the woods
[12:13] <cmel> haha
[12:13] <Mansur> We will have half of the dutch population here ;)
[12:13] <cmel> good for you
[12:13] <cmel> haha
[12:13] <Shaman464> im walking 150 miles North
[12:13] <cmel> and then some Mansur
[12:13] <monk> Ill build a little log cabin
[12:13] <Mansur> :)
[12:14] <monk> just live off the land
[12:14] <Mansur> Yeah, we have many elks here
[12:14] <Shaman464> how much food do you have?
[12:14] <Mansur> And bears
[12:14] <monk> eat some bugs and plants
[12:14] <Mansur> Yum
[12:14] <cmel> bears are skinny
[12:14] <monk> i heard bear meat is ruff
[12:14] <Shaman464> i have 90 days of food
[12:15] <Mansur> I catch the fat ones ;)
[12:15] <cmel> oh ok
[12:15] <monk> I have 0 days of food
[12:15] <Shaman464> lol
[12:15] <cmel> 0 days is me
[12:15] <monk> my food is everywhere
[12:15] <monk> plants animals bugs
[12:15] <cmel> yes
[12:15] <monk> I dont need to supply food
[12:15] <Shaman464> but, you need a food store just incass
[12:15] <monk> nah
[12:15] <Shaman464> incase*
[12:16] <Shaman464> what if the food dies
[12:16] <monk> someones gonna steal your food then what
[12:16] <monk> lol
[12:16] <Shaman464> i shot'em
[12:16] <monk> your food might die too
[12:16] <Mansur> I heard about a hindu who coul get his nourishment from the sun´s rays
[12:16] <Shaman464> i can see the cans run off
[12:17] <Shaman464> i have cans of food
[12:17] <Mansur> He didn´t need to eat anythin besides drinking water
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[12:17] <monk> Mansur: I think ill do that
[12:17] <Shaman464> lol
[12:18] <Mansur> :9 good for you
[12:18] <cmel> heh but not much sunlight
[12:18] <Mansur> I just get hungrier when I look at the sun ;)
[12:18] <monk> Ill get my energy from the energy field all aroun us
[12:18] <cmel> oh just another parasite
[12:19] <cmel> you feed on my field ?
[12:19] <Mansur> We have lot of mushrooms here, I suppose that will save many
[12:19] <cmel> heh
[12:19] <Mansur> Just don´t eat the toxic ones ;)
[12:20] <cmel> heh
[12:20] <Mansur> Or the psychedelic ones
[12:20] <Shaman464> or the ones that make you go all hippy-trippy
[12:20] <Mansur> :)
[12:20] <Shaman464> lol
[12:20] <monk> no the field thats all around us cant you  see it ? I do
[12:20] <cmel> hey guys do you see all the yellow elephants ?
[12:21] <Shaman464> no, there oink
[12:21] <Shaman464> pink*
[12:21] <Mansur> Ohh, it´s calle zero point energy
[12:21] <cmel> no their yellow
[12:21] <Mansur> Where?
[12:21] <cmel> for sure
[12:21] <Mansur> ;)
[12:21] <cmel> all around
[12:21] <monk> Oh thats what they call it zero point?
[12:22] <Mansur> I´m myopic, see very bad ;)
[12:22] <monk> zero point energy is very intresting to look at
[12:22] <cmel> I call it three point energy
[12:22] <Shaman464> i look at the sun
[12:22] <monk> you see it too ?
[12:22] <cmel> yes
[12:22] <monk> cool
[12:22] <cmel> but it has three points
[12:22] <monk> 3 points?
[12:23] <cmel> thats the only way it's stable
[12:23] <monk> really
[12:23] <cmel> like a chair
[12:23] <cmel> if you have two legs it will fall
[12:23] <cmel> if you have three .... it will stand
[12:24] <cmel> thus three point energy
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[12:25] <cmel> hhmm
[12:25] <cmel> easy way out
[12:25] <cmel> later ppl
[12:25] <cmel> even crazy ppl have to eat
[12:26] <cmel> later
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[12:26] <Mansur> I think egyptian pyramid´s were a zero point generator in the days of old
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[12:30] <scuba053> hello i'm scuba053 and i'm new
[12:30] <Mansur> Hi Scuba!
[12:30] <scuba053> hello
[12:31] <Mansur> What are you doing here?
[12:31] <scuba053> looking 4 others who now know
[12:32] <Mansur> No one here knows, sorry!
[12:32] <scuba053> support, i'm scared
[12:33] <Mansur> Scared for what?
[12:33] <scuba053> the shift
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[12:34] <scooby> weren't you in here last nite?
[12:34] <Mansur> You don´t need to
[12:34] <scooby> brb
[12:34] <scuba053> yes under scuba, but i need to add the053
[12:36] <scuba053> i've read about the call and i dont know,i may be 1 of the sts people
[12:36] <Guest> hi all
[12:37] <scuba053> hello
[12:37] <scuba053> welcome
[12:37] <Mansur> No, I don´t think so
[12:39] <scuba053> thanks, but a lot  of thinkingand i'm not so sure. seams i've been selfish alot of my life
[12:39] <scuba053> i, just dont know.
[12:40] <Mansur> You are not alone, many people are selfish
[12:40] <scuba053> anyway i just want to do what i can.
[12:40] <Mansur> I think you are doing the right
[12:41] <Mansur> Youst wait and see if anything appears in sky
[12:41] <Mansur> If not, just continue your life
[12:42] <Guest> the zetas say every ones orientation will be be clearly distinguished after the shift
[12:42] <Mansur> May be
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[12:43] <scuba053> thanks,but this is a feeling i've had 4 some time . u might be right,but an ounce of prevention goes along way and can help alot of people
[12:44] <Mansur> How long have you known about zetatalk?
[12:45] <scuba053> i've been reading zeta and the peacies fit to gether. about a week or so
[12:45] <Mansur> Ok, I encountered Zetatalk 98
[12:45] <Mansur> And did some translations to swedish
[12:46] <Mansur> But now, I have my doubts
[12:46] <Mansur> I recommend you yo read sci.astro archieves
[12:46] <scuba053> i knew something was up 4 about the last 10 years. when i heard nancy on art bell the bell when't off in my head and heart.
[12:47] <Mansur> There you can get a better grip of this
[12:47] <monk> mansur: what do u mean u can get abetter grip on it reading sci.astro ?
[12:47] <Guest> mansur, doubts about what?
[12:47] <Mansur> I suppose you know what sci.astro is
[12:48] <Mansur> Doubts about zetatalk
[12:48] <Guest> Then why are you in this chatromm
[12:48] <Mansur> Nancy has posted there since 1995
[12:49] <scuba053> i've been into the conspirecy theory 4 ,well since 1973,and there's 2 much that coinsides with whats going on today.
[12:49] <Mansur> Yeah, something is happening, but what?
[12:50] <Mansur> Guest: I don´t have to answer your silly Q
[12:50] <Guest> mansur, the most understated aspect of zt is the accuracy of it all
[12:50] <Mansur> What accuracy guest?
[12:50] <scooby> guest, when QV gets back she will ask you to change your nick
[12:50] <Mansur> Magnitude issue maybe
[12:51] <monk> This channel isn't to debate about if zetatalk is right or not
[12:51] <scooby> try /nick steve  (or whatever
[12:51] <Guest> I know i forgot to put in my nickname
[12:51] <scooby> mansur: monk is right and if QV were here....
[12:51] <scooby> guest: you can change it by doing what I just said
[12:51] <Mansur> I don´t care about QV
[12:51] <scooby> lol
[12:52] <scuba053> weather, wars,bush,shadow goverment'rebuilding the gov,homeland sercurity,all the laws just past, all the intrest of media trying 2 dirv our attentionert
[12:52] <scooby> scuba: trust your instincts
[12:52] <scooby> they will show you the truth
[12:52] <Mansur> Yes, something big is afoot
[12:52] <Ralf> hrm... i have very little to do with this channel, this discussion, the whole question of the zetas, and everything else.
[12:53] <scooby> but you are cool
[12:53] <Ralf> but i do know that it's about "discussion"
[12:53] <Mansur> Ralf: what are you doinh here then?
[12:53] <Ralf> and discussion isn't about taking whacks at other people's questions
[12:53] <Mansur> Yeah, discussion
[12:53] <scooby> Topic is 'Preparation for the MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with www.zetatalk.com. Those who wish to debate the validity of the poleshift/ZetaTalk are NOT welcome. Newcomers should read www.zetatalk.com for answers to basic questions.'
[12:53] <Mansur> Good, I agree
[12:53] <scooby> from the intro
[12:53] <Ralf> and insulting them for the fact that they don't necessarily know everything you do.
[12:53] <scuba053> the have so far, no reason to be distracted by  others
[12:53] <Ralf> that's just common courtesy.
[12:54] <Mansur> Scooby: we must be able to discuss things here
[12:54] <scooby> i confused here
[12:54] <scooby> i agree
[12:54] <scooby> discussion=good
[12:54] <scooby> debating zetatlk=bad
[12:54] <Mansur> In the bottom we all are woried about what is happening around us
[12:54] <scooby> right!
[12:54] <Ralf> Mansur: i'm here because i own one of the servers on this chat network, QV is a friend of mine, and sometimes it takes more than a regular channel operator's power to remove those lamers.
[12:54] <monk> there are channels #troubled_times and #god if u wanna discuss other things
[12:54] <Ralf> that interfere.
[12:54] <scooby> yeah 4 ralf!
[12:55] <scuba053> 4 me 2
[12:55] <scooby> yeah 4 scuba
[12:55] <Mansur> No, I don´t agree
[12:55] <scooby> with what?
[12:55] <Mansur> Interfrence
[12:55] <scooby> with what?
[12:55] <Mansur> I don´t think it´s interference to discuss things
[12:56] <Ralf> Mansur: but it is interference when people come in and flood the chat room, and things like that.
[12:56] <Ralf> that's why i'm here.
[12:56] <Mansur> Not, if you have good arguments Ralf
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[12:57] <Ralf> um
[12:57] <Mansur> But spamming is interference
[12:57] <Ralf> flooding, spamming, etc. are not arguments. :-)
[12:57] <Mansur> No, it´s not
[12:57] <scuba053> with me ,ive felt this 4 so long,i dont want to discuss my feelings ,i just want 2 discuss what others have felt
[12:57] * scooby nods in IRC warrior Ralf's general direction
[12:57] <Ralf> i don't interfere with arguments, i really don't even participate in discussion, unless i feel there is something to contribute.
[12:58] <Mansur> I think people here should be open to possibilities
[12:58] <Mansur> Ok, I see
[12:58] <Ralf> such as, a little bit of etiquette or common courtesy. :-)
[12:58] <Mansur> Yes, of course. and that´s good
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[12:59] <monk> Hi kindred
[12:59] <kindred> monk how are you
[12:59] <monk> im good how are you
[12:59] <monk> :)
[12:59] <kindred> little tired
[13:00] <Mansur> Where are you kindred?
[13:00] <kindred> :I
[13:00] <kindred> at home
[13:00] <Mansur> Where is home?
[13:00] <kindred> hehe
[13:00] <kindred> toronto
[13:00] <Mansur> Ok, I see
[13:00] <kindred> Canada
[13:00] <scuba053> 4 me this started back in 1970, everything i've read,studied,researched,practiced, and thought about led me to 1 week ago 2 art bell show,and the answer
[13:00] <Mansur> Canadian :)
[13:00] <scooby> what started it scuba?
[13:00] <Mansur> You are great hockey players there
[13:01] <kindred> eh!
[13:01] <Mansur> :)
[13:01] <scuba053> i was a jesus freak on hollywood blvd
[13:01] <Mansur> Gretzky
[13:02] <kindred> sooo now you are a beleaver inthe PS
[13:02] <kindred> scube
[13:02] <scooby> and then...
[13:02] <scuba053> i believed the end time profits.whats ps?
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[13:02] <kindred> poleshift
[13:03] <scuba053> u  no it
[13:03] <monk> we have a freak over here
[13:03] <monk> jk
[13:03] <kindred> so are you still a Jesus nut
[13:03] <scuba053> then after 10 yrs. i went on my own. no
[13:04] <monk> jesus was a cool guy
[13:04] <kindred> alien nut now eh
[13:04] <scuba053> no nut u?
[13:04] <kindred> they say he was a 4th density being
[13:04] <monk> im a nut
[13:04] <monk> 5th density
[13:04] <scuba053> c
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[13:04] <kindred> thanks for the correction monk
[13:04] <scooby> <=====wingnut
[13:05] <scooby> lol
[13:05] <monk> I see ghost im a nut
[13:05] <kindred> your all nuts I think
[13:05] <kindred> kidn
[13:06] <scuba053> i started researching the years of jesus, his mother and father, the ESSENCES, different elite orgs, ,different beliefs,
[13:06] <kindred> any new revelations today
[13:07] <kindred> soooo scuba through all your research what sre your insights into the coming events
[13:08] <scuba053> i've read caysey,nostradamas,different prophets,channels,..............true!
[13:08] <kindred> kinda a book worm arent you
[13:09] <scuba053> i dont look 4 the differences, but the similarities
[13:09] <monk> so what do u thinks gonna happen
[13:09] <kindred> good philosophy
[13:10] <kindred> well itll go down like this
[13:10] <scuba053> no BW,just searching 4 answers
[13:10] <kindred> eitheir something will happen or it wont
[13:10] <scuba053> i think there will b a cover up till the time it happens
[13:11] <kindred> if it does life will be hell
[13:11] <kindred> if it doesnt I'll be given hell
[13:11] <scuba053> no it will b purged,an start a new
[13:11] <Mansur> Life is already hell Kindred
[13:12] <kindred> more tolerable then not
[13:12] <Mansur> Hope so too Scuba
[13:12] <scuba053> b rite bac
[13:13] <kindred> never seen u here Mansur
[13:13] <Mansur> I´m not so often here Kindred
[13:13] <Mansur> Been here twice or thrice
[13:13] <scuba053> bac
[13:14] <Mansur> Have u any high mountains near Toronto?
[13:14] <scooby> the whole ps makes one wonder if its gonna be worth sticking around at all...
[13:14] <kindred> ummmm not really
[13:14] <scuba053> 2 me its good news,this ps.things need a drastic change
[13:15] <scooby> yes, we need a drastic change
[13:15] <kindred> yes we do
[13:15] <Mansur> Agree
[13:15] <kindred> but does it have to be so pianful to us all
[13:15] <scooby> but with all the ensuing mayhem and craziness, I think it might be "easier" to ride it out as a disembodied spirit
[13:15] <scuba053> freedoms have been taken, loose 1 loose all
[13:15] <scooby> scuba: right!
[13:16] <scooby> and then come back when things have mellowed out
[13:16] <scooby> but at the same time, I wonder if I should stick around as I will likely be neede
[13:16] <scooby> needed, even
[13:16] <scuba053> people need a spiritul change and this might b the thing to show every1 that all r equal
[13:17] <scooby> good point
[13:17] <Mansur> I agree Scuba
[13:17] <kindred> I think if the Zeta just made thier presence know to humanity things would have shifted in the direction of all being equal
[13:18] <Mansur> I think this transformation is a very long process, and we are now approaching the end
[13:18] <scuba053> i agree, why the pain? but will it b 4 those who really care?
[13:19] <Mansur> No growth without pain Scuba
[13:19] <monk> alot of people are already evolving spiritualy
[13:19] <scooby> kindred: people would still be in denial
[13:19] <Mansur> People are much more conscious then 40 years ago
[13:19] <scooby> and the gov't would still cover it up
[13:20] <kindred> cant deni what you can see
[13:20] <scooby> yes you can
[13:20] <kindred> cant cover up what you can reach
[13:20] <scooby> it's called rationalization
[13:20] <scuba053> i think that it might b easier sometimes 2 just give in as a reincar and go from there, but i'm not a quiter
[13:20] <kindred> that wouldnt last forever
[13:20] <scooby> yes, but the powers that be would try and keep it that way for as long as possible
[13:21] <scuba053> c
[13:21] <scooby> scuba: me too...
[13:21] <kindred> the Zeta are very open to suicide
[13:23] <scuba053> rite now im faced w/discession about family,friends,loved1s,and what 2 do. ive really no ties,but still some
[13:23] <kindred> not condidered basphamy as in most religons
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[13:24] <monk> what u do is what u do
[13:25] <monk> Its all good whatever u decide
[13:25] <kindred> im am very impatient
[13:25] <scuba053> not worried about religion,just discessions on what i really want at this time. needed more 2 stay, or just move on.
[13:25] <kindred> 6 months to long to wait
[13:26] <scuba053> 2 short 4 me, need 2 decide now
[13:26] <kindred> decide What scuba
[13:27] <scuba053> my instincts tell me 2 go on , my selfish intents tell me 2 give in
[13:27] <scuba053> 2 death
[13:27] <kindred> oh
[13:27] <kindred> heavy man
[13:27] <scuba053> no just a discession
[13:28] <monk> 2 death ? what do u mean
[13:29] <monk> You mean suicide?
[13:29] <scuba053> reincar and ship on 2 the next level
[13:29] <kindred> tthiers faith for ya
[13:29] <scuba053> no ,just stay where im at and do nothing
[13:29] <monk> oh
[13:31] <scuba053> my real feelings want me 2 stay and gather others 4 the future
[13:31] <monk> i have kinda the same problem
[13:31] <scuba053> i c
[13:31] <kindred> i tink i will try and establish a comunity group to strengthen our chances at survival
[13:32] <kindred> power in numbers
[13:32] <scuba053> thats my intentions, but im a better helper than leader
[13:32] <kindred> I lead well
[13:33] <monk> I dont think I would wanna reincarnate right away when I die
[13:33] <kindred> do you have a chioce
[13:34] <monk> of course you always have the choice
[13:34] <monk> freedom of choice
[13:34] <monk> heres a great ebook The freedom of choice http://bioresonant.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/free.html
[13:34] <scuba053> of course when ur given an option,as we have
[13:36] <scuba053> i was call 4 a reason. thats all i know rite now, n i want 2 make the rite choice
[13:36] <scooby> scuba: believe what your heart is telling you and you will make the right choice
[13:36] <scooby> kindred: I like the community idea
[13:36] <scooby> in fact I want to build one too
[13:37] <scooby> and have wanted to do that for a while
[13:37] <scooby> monk: you have the final say
[13:37] <scuba053> so im trying to weigh it all out rite now. thats why im here in this rm
[13:37] <scooby> or rather your soul does
[13:37] <scooby> scuba: good start
[13:39] <monk> I kinda wanna go on a solo mission
[13:39] <scuba053> yes i like the commune idea,strenght w/#s,and better council
[13:39] <monk> maybe with my brother
[13:41] <scuba053> i'm ready rite now,im just waiting 4 an open door 2 go through
[13:41] <kindred> will thier be any area that wont experince earthquakes
[13:42] <kindred> or will the entire planet shake
[13:42] <scuba053> not when the core serparets
[13:43] <scooby> i think the whole damn planet's gonna feel this
[13:43] <scuba053> plates will collide
[13:43] <scooby> can't avoid it
[13:43] <scooby> way too massive
[13:43] <scuba053> way2
[13:44] <kindred> so are we talkin on the richter scale like we have never seen before
[13:44] <kindred> like 10 - 15
[13:45] <scuba053> where can i get the cordinates 2 find the 12th position in orion?
[13:45] <monk> The Elders all say that the way to survive anything that might be coming is through serious daily prayer and connected spirituality rather than mundane chores like stocking up on supplies. And that the more people of an area who are connected and grounded spirituality, the greater the likelihood of that area being spared some of the upheavals of grandmother earth--the Hopi said, those [sacred] areas will raise like mesas.
[13:45] <scuba053> c
[13:46] <kindred> i dont beleave in prayer
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[13:46] <kindred> dont think it will make any difference what so ever
[13:46] <kindred> to do so would be to beleave in a god and I do not
[13:47] <scuba053> i think being of 1 mind will
[13:47] <kindred> but only my opinion
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[13:48] <monk> believing in prayer doesn't mean u believe in god
[13:48] <monk> its just energy
[13:48] <kindred> to many disgusting things happen in this world to beleave our father would allow such things to happen
[13:48] <kindred> if  we have a father I would feel abandoned by him
[13:48] <scuba053> i want 2 meet w/those outside our own realm.
[13:49] <kindred> eho doesnt
[13:49] <kindred> who
[13:49] <monk> our father would allow such things to happen
[13:49] <monk> <kindred> if  we have a father I would feel abandoned by him
[13:49] <monk> <scuba053> i want 2 meet w/those outside our own
[13:50] <monk> Q: There is no God!  If there was, why all the killings and wars!
[13:50] <scuba053> i no longer want 2 think were n a bubble
[13:50] <scuba053> alone
[13:50] <monk> RedElk
[13:51] <scooby> scuba: coordinates: http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm
[13:51] <kindred> no one on this planet wants to feel alone
[13:51] <scooby> monk: there is a god, but we are left to our own devices
[13:52] <scooby> and WE start the wars and WE kill the babies, etc
[13:52] <scuba053> thanks is that on a zt PAGE?
[13:52] <monk> oh yea kindred: There is scienctific proof of prayer working
[13:52] <scooby> troubled Times
[13:52] <scuba053> THANKX
[13:52] <scuba053> C U LATER
[13:52] <scooby> l8r
[13:54] <monk> prayer doesn't have to be to god it just the thoughts of it
[13:54] <scuba053> BAC JUST PRINTED IT , ILL TRY 2 C IT TONITE
[13:55] <kindred> oh like the power of positive thinking
[13:55] <monk> yes
[13:55] <kindred> thats different
[13:55] <monk> no its not
[13:55] <scuba053> r these cords near the belt or what?
[13:55] <kindred> you arent looking for an answer when thinking positivly
[13:56] <kindred> or expecting one
[13:56] <scooby> dunno scuba, i'm not an astronomer and dont have a scope
[13:56] <kindred> or something like that
[13:56] <scuba053> c
[13:56] <scooby> please let us know what you see (if anything_
[13:56] <scuba053> o yeah
[13:57] <monk> im talking about prayer for changing things
[13:57] <kindred> what would he see at this piont
[13:57] <scuba053> like a brown dwarf nova,reddish
[13:57] <kindred> a light in the sky at those coordinates
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[13:58] <scuba053> something instead of nothing
[13:59] <kindred> but is it really THE something we want to see or just another thing we are confussed with
[13:59] <scuba053> dunno?
[13:59] <kindred> lol
[13:59] <kindred> who does eh
[14:00] <scuba053> well c ing is believing
[14:00] <kindred> can you tell what you are really seeing
[14:01] <scuba053> better something is better than nothing
[14:01] <kindred> how can u argue with that
[14:01] <scuba053> c
[14:02] <kindred> my brian is getting fried with thinking about it
[14:02] <kindred> brain
[14:03] <kindred> to much uncertainty
[14:03] <kindred> not enough answers
[14:03] <kindred> or at least plausible ones
[14:03] <scuba053> u know 2 me ,its all reached 2 this point. course in miricales,bible,cayce,nostrdamas,zach. stichin,much more
[14:04] <monk> its all good
[14:05] <scuba053> tired of debate, want proof,and zetatalk is offering me proof if i just look in2 it
[14:05] <monk> dont forget zetatalk
[14:05] <kindred> time will tell
[14:05] <scuba053> thats y im here
[14:06] <kindred> well thank you to Zetatalk for at least giving me a hint of what may come
[14:06] <scuba053> 10-4
[14:08] <scuba053> also zeta offers me time 2 do something about it also.rather than sit idle n listen 2 this side or that
[14:08] <kindred> yes if you wish it does help you prepare
[14:09] <scuba053> i come here 2 c what others might offer as help
[14:09] <kindred> si do I
[14:10] <scuba053> or know. as they might show me where 2 go 2 c 4 myself
[14:12] <scuba053> anyway its much better than the local news, or what bush is doing 2 protect his assests in the mid east w/his oil
[14:12] <scuba053> now that guy is frightening!
[14:14] <scuba053> 2 get 2 travel now theres so much restriction,no privacy,unc sam is about 2 go 2 bed w/us everynite now wheather we like it or not
[14:15] <monk> oh well we have to get used to it
[14:15] <scuba053> read our e-mail, what we do on the web,eat,drink or shit
[14:15] <monk> price of security
[14:16] <scuba053> hopefully 4 just 6 more mon6ths
[14:17] <monk> are you looking forward to forced vaccinations?
[14:17] <scuba053> bush supplied him w/ everything,took the money,now wants his butt 2 divert the blame . what else?
[14:18] <scuba053> no force here. wont do it
[14:19] <scuba053> theres never been more rampant disease than before vacs
[14:19] <monk> get read to have some strong guys knocking down your door and putting a needle in your arm
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[14:19] <monk> Hi miguel
[14:19] <miguel> hello
[14:19] <miguel> hello monk
[14:20] <scuba053> wont b here, hi miguel,welcome
[14:20] <miguel> hello scuba
[14:21] <scuba053> theres not enough armed forces 4 forced vacs. the public will b dupped into thinking its the rite thing 2 do
[14:22] <scuba053> alllready on the news florida pd is volenteering there force. so if they do it y not follow?
[14:23] <monk> your a terrorist if you dont get a vaccination
[14:23] <scuba053> c
[14:23] <scuba053> lol
[14:23] <scuba053> lol
[14:23] <scuba053> lol
[14:24] <scuba053> monk u made my day
[14:24] <monk> :)
[14:25] <scuba053> theres murcury in the vacs. thats how the chem is carried. plus what ever else they want w/it
[14:26] <scuba053> scarem the masses w/terrorisum,and get them 2 vac, so w4e can inject what we want to sadate them
[14:27] <scuba053> plus it will cost. u think it will be free/
[14:27] <scuba053> no way
[14:28] <monk> it will be free
[14:28] <scuba053> be rite bac
[14:28] <monk> they already have all the vaccines
[14:28] <monk> the people who make the vaccines makes the money
[14:28] <monk> the government pays them
[14:28] <monk> the tax payers pay the government
[14:29] <monk> so this is a way for the people who make the vaccines which are the drug companies
[14:29] <monk> to make money
[14:29] <scuba053> they store housed it 4 a purpose,put out the threat, and the remedy.what a joke
[14:29] <monk> which is the goal
[14:29] <scuba053> c
[14:29] <monk> elite make money off war
[14:29] <scuba053> ccccccc
[14:29] <monk> but its a new world there needs to be another way to make money
[14:29] <monk> why dont they make money off drugs
[14:30] <miguel> they do make money off drugs
[14:30] <monk> yea
[14:30] <monk> but they gotta replace making money off wars with drugs
[14:31] <scuba053> they do ,come on. why doesnt the price ever go up? who do u think could supply every city in the nation w/drugs? ur neighbor hood thug?
[14:31] <raincity> I was reading the earlier discussion in tt and noticed the bit about the site trying to track down QueenVee.
[14:31] <raincity> That is obsession.
[14:32] <scuba053> why in the fuck didnt they bomb the poppy fields in afgan?
[14:32] <monk> im talking about legal drugs
[14:32] <scuba053> why not brisil?
[14:32] <scuba053> 2 much $
[14:33] <scuba053> c
[14:33] <scuba053> and who's big enuf 2 do this?
[14:34] <scuba053> unc
[14:34] <scuba053> uncle
[14:34] <scuba053> sam
[14:34] <scuba053> and we pic up the tab w/ taxes
[14:35] <scuba053> who owns the pharms? the rich.
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[14:36] <scuba053> 10-4 obany
[14:37] <scuba053> bac n min
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[14:39] <scuba053> c u
[14:40] <miguel> good night
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[14:41] <scuba053> so is any1 doing anything 2 prepare?
[14:42] <scuba053> or is every1 like me looking 4 advise?
[14:43] <scuba053> or council?
[14:43] <raincity> I just purchased 6 cases of MREs in case I have to move in a hurry.
[14:43] <raincity> And, I created a stock of drinking water using dozens of 2L plastic bottles.
[14:43] <scuba053> ?mre's?
[14:43] <raincity> standard US army ration.
[14:44] <raincity> meal-ready-to-eat.
[14:44] <scuba053> c
[14:44] <raincity> I want just enough so it is still mobile.
[14:44] <obany> well still have to buy some good shoes ... and some other things
[14:44] <scuba053> where do u look 4 those things?
[14:44] <scuba053> mre's
[14:45] <raincity> I got the MREs at a "survival store".
[14:45] <scuba053> c
[14:45] <raincity> The 2L bottles were from Diet Coke.
[14:45] <scuba053> cost?
[14:45] <raincity> About $200.
[14:45] <scuba053> per.
[14:45] <raincity> for the 6 cases.
[14:45] <scuba053> c
[14:46] <raincity> They keep for about 5 years.
[14:46] <raincity> As long as they don't get hot.
[14:46] <raincity> But, it doesn't get hot up here.
[14:46] <scuba053> this is good ,i will do this
[14:47] <scuba053> but i think i need 2 relocate. mt.lassen is in my bac yard and shasta is 50 mi. away
[14:47] <raincity> yeah, that is bad.
[14:47] <scuba053> c
[14:48] <raincity> Looks like Colorado or Canada is closest to you.
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[14:48] <scuba053>  this is y i'm here. looking 2 reloc. but i want 2 b with like minded people.
[14:49] <raincity> ZetaTalk says lots of like-minded people are moving to Colorado.
[14:49] <scuba053> c
[14:49] <raincity> cold up there, though.
[14:49] <raincity> If you go before May.
[14:49] <scuba053>  depends where.
[14:51] <scuba053> i've looked at the new geo., and it looks good in mid northern states. but still un decided.
[14:52] <raincity> You mean like the dakotas...
[14:52] <scuba053> but near can. border.
[14:52] <scuba053> c
[14:52] <raincity> yes, as long as the elevation is not too low.
[14:52] <raincity> And not close to huge lakes.
[14:53] <raincity> But, it is highly isolated.
[14:54] <scuba053> i dont wanna 2 beat myself up cause i just realized from info on zeta how short time is. just want info 2 make good decision.
[14:55] <scuba053> w/nancy in wiscon, that seems 2 b a good local.
[14:55] <raincity> I suppose there is no "perfect" place, you just have to know what your going to deal with.
[14:55] <scuba053> c
[14:56] <raincity> Maybe you could stay in the shed on Nancy's property.
[14:56] <scuba053> i know i want away from w/coast.
[14:56] <raincity> tending the gardens...
[14:56] <raincity> Me too.
[14:56] <raincity> I'm planning on going into Alberta.
[14:56] <scuba053> dunno? but at least b close
[14:57] <scuba053> cayse said virginia beach.
[14:58] <scuba053> b bac in min
[15:01] <scooby> bbl... i'm off to work...
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[15:01] <scuba053> c u
[15:02] <scuba053> rain c, how long have u felt this?
[15:06] <raincity> Since that last earthquake we had.
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[15:06] <raincity> Where the bricks fell from the downtown buildings.
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[15:09] <obany> hi Queen
[15:10] <QueenVee> hello
[15:10] <QueenVee> who is this "cosmic" guy?
[15:10] <QueenVee> hi HBO
[15:10] * QueenVee gives HBO a kick in the shins
[15:11] <obany> QueenVee: well not one who you could talk with about preparation ...
[15:11] <QueenVee> has he been here before?
[15:12] <texas-away> he has been here before
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[15:13] <QueenVee> thanks
[15:13] <obany> in #troubled_times don't remember him
[15:13] <obany> altough his nickname sounds a little familair
[15:14] <HBO> hiq, I had to go check new email, sorry for ignoring you :)
[15:16] <QueenVee> Red told me to give you a kick in the shins next time i saw you....
[15:16] <QueenVee> so you have been duly kicked
[15:16] <HBO> gonna have to give him a whuppin'
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[15:17] <HBO> he's going on the road for about 3 weeks...he and I do some work for the same company
[15:17] <QueenVee> i've been getting very strange emails lately....
[15:17] <HBO> ????
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[15:18] <obany> queen ?
[15:18] <scuba> hello/
[15:18] <QueenVee> emails from various people i don't know, and they'll have really inocuous subject lines like "meeting", or "notes", or "in the news".....
[15:19] <QueenVee> but the body of the message is blank
[15:19] <raincity> I've gotten a few of those myself.
[15:19] <HBO> hmmm..do you ahve a good anti-virus program?
[15:19] <scuba> u just get here/
[15:19] <raincity> I think it is some kind of failed spam attempt.
[15:19] <QueenVee> the latest one is from "admin@truthout.com", the subject of the message is "human rights", and there's no message
[15:20] <scuba> QV?
[15:20] <QueenVee> yes, i just got here scuba
[15:20] <obany> mmmm that could be a virus .
[15:20] <scuba> c
[15:20] <obany> could be
[15:20] <QueenVee> i just wasted several hours.....
[15:20] <QueenVee> well, this has been going on for a few weeks now, and there have been no negative effects, so i'm not worried about it
[15:21] <scuba> qv,u in britain?
[15:21] <obany> also gets email sometimes withouth a message, but when i send a reply then it apears in the reply
[15:22] <HBO> did youo get the one I sent you re: Rense article on farm in Utah?
[15:22] <QueenVee> i told my mother i was popping out to run an errand and would be right back; she asked could she come with me and just "pop in for  minute" to a store she wanted to go to; long story short, we ended up going to about three different stores, where she took so long that there was no time for me to run the errand i intended....
[15:23] <QueenVee> HBO: yeah, i got that. strange story.
[15:23] <QueenVee> scuba: no, i'm in canada
[15:23] <HBO> not a place I would like to live
[15:23] <scuba> c
[15:23] <raincity> I saw a big article about that farm in the newspaper.
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[15:23] <obany> QueenVee: zetatalk already responded to this for what i know
[15:24] <raincity> Apparently the activity on the farm has dropped off in recent times.
[15:24] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a128.htm
[15:25] <HBO> well, it sure sounded like a dimensional portal for some nasty entities
[15:25] <HBO> brb
[15:25] <scuba> brb?
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[15:25] <QueenVee> brb = be right back
[15:26] <scuba> c,thankx
[15:27] <QueenVee> obany: the article HBO was talking about is something else
[15:27] <QueenVee> hello NKT3
[15:27] <obany> ah, wait i think i remember
[15:27] <obany> my mistake :)
[15:27] <QueenVee> oh, he quit
[15:27] <Numbic1> no he didn't
[15:27] <Numbic1> I didn't realize this computer was still on
[15:28] <monk> im back
[15:28] <Numbic1> so I came back upstairs
[15:28] <QueenVee> oh, that was you Numbic?
[15:28] <HBO> QueenVee, actually I just checked obany's posting, and the link is to the article about that farm, so acording to Zs there is no such activity there..
[15:28] <Numbic1> yes
[15:29] <scuba> QV, i asked 4 cords on sighting of the 12th p,printed them but i'm not an astrom, is it near the belt of oroon? or where?
[15:30] <QueenVee> HBO: the zetatalk posting is about photos of an alleged alien abduction in Brazil; yours is about a farm in utah
[15:31] <QueenVee> scuba: i'm not an astronomer either; ask obany
[15:31] <scuba> obany u no?
[15:32] <HBO> QueenVee, on that posting there is a lik to "ranches" and cattle mutilations...the link opens the article I was talking about
[15:32] <QueenVee> oh, sorry, i didn't see that
[15:32] <QueenVee> ok
[15:32] <obany> i an not an astronomer either, i did some reading though but that's it
[15:32] <scuba> the belt?
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[15:33] <scuba> c u  all later got 2 go .
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[15:33] <Danvaldan> hi all
[15:33] <raincity> hi
[15:33] <QueenVee> hi dan
[15:33] <Numbic1> hey
[15:33] <HBO> well, gotta go and see if my plumber can talk me thru a repair on the phone
[15:33] <HBO> I'll see you later
[15:33] <Numbic1> c ya
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[15:34] <Danvaldan> c ya
[15:34] <QueenVee> how are things, Dan?
[15:34] <Danvaldan> oh pretty good - snow day here
[15:35] <Danvaldan> how bout you?
[15:35] <QueenVee> good, yeah, we have snow too
[15:36] <Danvaldan> nay thing news p.s. wise?
[15:36] <Danvaldan> any that is...
[15:36] <QueenVee> nope
[15:37] <QueenVee> sorry, but i've got to pull somethng out of the oven. brb.
[15:37] <Danvaldan> I just started Dr. Mack's 2nd book
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[15:37] <Queen-away> Dr. Mack? explain while i'm gone
[15:37] <Danvaldan> John E Mack - Passport to the Cosmos
[15:37] <Danvaldan> also wrote Abduction
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[15:38] <obany> danvalan: interresting book read it
[15:38] <obany> his 2nd
[15:38] <Danvaldan> there is some freaky stuff in there...
[15:38] <Danvaldan> the first is on the way - dont have it yet
[15:39] <obany> have it at home, as well as his first .. (translated into Dutch)
[15:39] <Numbic1> I think I saw him on tv the other night
[15:39] <obany> but his 2nd is the English version that i have.. There is no Dutch translation
[15:39] <Numbic1> or some show mentioned his name
[15:39] <obany> In his books also cataclysms are mentioned, even something about hybrids coming to earth
[15:40] <Danvaldan> I am trying to get my mind around theis phenomenon - along with all the other UFO stuff.
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[15:40] <QueenVee> i'm back
[15:40] <Danvaldan> hiya
[15:41] <QueenVee> oh, yeah, Dr. Mack. i have one of his books.
[15:41] <Danvaldan> Abduction?
[15:41] <Danvaldan> I had to order that one used -
[15:41] <QueenVee> i think so, i'll have to look....
[15:42] <Danvaldan> its out of print - the 2nd was available on Amazon
[15:42] <Danvaldan> hey I have a Q:
[15:42] <Danvaldan> On the Art Bell interview - Nancy said she no longer takes personal Q's -
[15:43] <QueenVee> yep
[15:43] <Danvaldan> is there a log somewhere of ones she DID take once opon a time?
[15:43] <QueenVee> i dunno
[15:43] <Danvaldan> hmm
[15:44] <obany> Danvalan: NO, there is no log of that
[15:44] <obany> hence the word personal
[15:44] <Danvaldan> that sucks
[15:45] <obany> Danvaldan: nah ... that doesn't suck
[15:45] <Danvaldan> Edgar Cayce's stuff is mostly personal readings...
[15:45] <Danvaldan> I know - this isnt Edgar Cayce
[15:45] <obany> Danvalan: well with names in it etc... and other things...
[15:45] <Danvaldan> sorry if I am on edge(again)
[15:46] <obany> and why would you need a personal answer, to remove your doubts, to satisfy your needs?
[15:46] <Danvaldan> (ok no 'if': I am on edge)
[15:46] <Danvaldan> sure.
[15:48] <QueenVee> why do you feel on edge, dan?
[15:48] <Danvaldan> looking for something to hold onto in all this
[15:52] <Danvaldan> what did you get out of the oven?
[15:52] <QueenVee> supper
[15:52] <Danvaldan> super
[15:52] <QueenVee> i hear what you're saying, Dan
[15:53] <QueenVee> i've been reading everything i can find....
[15:53] <QueenVee> trying to find more correlation....
[15:53] <QueenVee> and i'm finding it....
[15:53] <QueenVee> so it DOES help
[15:54] <Numbic1> tru
[15:55] <Danvaldan> I am like: ok reading more and more signs point to yes something is up - something has happened before - but its all the same precentage vague to me
[15:55] <QueenVee> Dan: have you read Jim Marrs ALIEN AGENDA?
[15:55] <Danvaldan> no - is that good?
[15:56] <QueenVee> it's excellent, it confirms a great deal of zetatalk....
[15:56] <QueenVee> it was a shot in the arm for me
[15:56] <Danvaldan> where is his info from?
[15:56] <QueenVee> all over, he's a researcher
[15:57] <Danvaldan> similar to stichin? or more of a goverment file person?
[15:57] <QueenVee> more the latter
[15:57] <Numbic1> excuse me -- has anyone read the KJV of the book of Exodus lately?
[15:57] <Danvaldan> no -
[15:58] <Danvaldan> been reading Daniel
[15:58] <QueenVee> KJV?
[15:58] <QueenVee> oh, King James Version
[15:58] <Numbic1> yeah
[15:58] <QueenVee> no, why?
[15:58] <Numbic1> if you read the later versions, they edit the interesting stuff
[15:58] <Numbic1> the depiction of the Exodus
[15:59] <Numbic1> there are a lot of signs of alien involvement
[15:59] <QueenVee> yes, i know
[15:59] <Numbic1> (at least to me)
[15:59] <Danvaldan> in Daniel - there is mention of the Watchers... and some other folks too
[15:59] <Danvaldan> but not in KJV
[15:59] <QueenVee> the farther back you go in the versions, the more it correlates....
[15:59] <Numbic1> exactly
[16:00] <Numbic1> I wish I knew Semitic languages
[16:00] <Danvaldan> the more recent translations keeps the plurals when thay are around - KJV really tried to get rid of all those
[16:00] <Numbic1> but once I actually sat down and read it
[16:00] <Numbic1> the cloud/flame in the sky that led the Jews away from Egypt
[16:01] <QueenVee> yep
[16:01] <Numbic1> the "roar of the trumpet"
[16:01] <Numbic1> and "thunder and lightning"
[16:01] <Danvaldan> chapter? verse?
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[16:01] <Numbic1> I have the wrong bible with me
[16:01] <Danvaldan> hey scooby
[16:01] <scooby-atwork> hey gang
[16:01] <Numbic1> but
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[16:02] <MattJB> hey
[16:02] <scooby-atwork> hey matt
[16:02] <QueenVee> hi matt
[16:02] <QueenVee> numbic: why do you think they've withheld the Dead Sea Scrolls from the public for so long?
[16:03] <MattJB> oooh dead sea scrolls
[16:03] <QueenVee> sure ain't because they confirmm the current versions of Judaism and Christianity
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[16:03] <MattJB> you'd think the 'son of god' might have got more of a mention eh
[16:04] <QueenVee> yes, exactly
[16:04] <Numbic1> and the son of god thing is in every mythology
[16:04] <Numbic1> greco-roman and hindu heroes were all "sons of god"
[16:04] <QueenVee> yes, but it was only pasted onto the life of Jesus much later....
[16:04] <MattJB> james the just was more prominent
[16:05] <Numbic1> where it was clear that the gods had mated with humans and their hybrids made a better civilization
[16:05] <MattJB> but the church tried to write himout of the bible
[16:05] <Danvaldan> check Daniel 4:17 in a non-KJV -
[16:05] <Danvaldan> Watchers and Holy Ones - who are they?
[16:06] <QueenVee> mmm
[16:06] <Numbic1> only in the Bible
[16:06] <Numbic1> did they totally erase the presence or suggestion of otherworldly intervention
[16:07] <Numbic1> by making it a virgin birth
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[16:07] <MattJB> the virgin birth and dec 25th was stolen from an egyptian god
[16:07] <Danvaldan> hi pho
[16:07] <MattJB> it'sjust 3rd century bllshit
[16:07] <phoam> Jesus was born on Yom Kippur.. or however you spell it.. a Jewish holiday of feasting i think
[16:07] <obany> mmmm mattjb: zetatalk gives another explantion .. moment
[16:07] <phoam> some day in july
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> lol
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> it's a jewish holiday of NON-feasting
[16:08] <Numbic1> after being a lit major, it took a lot of stuff out of the bible for me
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> you fast on Yom Kippur
[16:08] <phoam> well i'm not a jew lol
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> lol
[16:08] <MattJB> well i'd like to see it...cos there is an egyptian god with that story
[16:08] <phoam> and i don't study that..
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> it's a day of atonement, repentance
[16:08] <phoam> ok, now i got it straight
[16:08] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m26.htm
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> you ask forgiveness for lst year's sins so to be written into the "Book of LIfe"
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> lol
[16:08] <scooby-atwork> can you tell who's a Hebe?
[16:09] <phoam> what's a Hebe? :)
[16:09] <scooby-atwork> a not so nice word for a Jew
[16:09] <scooby-atwork> lol
[16:09] <scooby-atwork> <======Yid
[16:09] <phoam> oh heh.. i thought it was "Kike"
[16:09] <scooby-atwork> that's a very not so nice word
[16:09] <MattJB> hmmmmmmmmm well i have a problem with that obany
[16:10] <MattJB> cos james the just was older than jesus
[16:10] <MattJB> and his brother
[16:10] <MattJB> and in holy books such as the koran jesus had many siblings
[16:12] <MattJB> maybe i'mgoign to ahve to ask a james the just question
[16:12] <MattJB> but probably notthat relevant
[16:12] <phoam> my middle name is James.. ask me
[16:12] <obany> that might be when they where younger "impotent with old age". Do you read with young or in his entire life
[16:13] <MattJB> but then she wouldn't have been a virgin
[16:13] <Danvaldan> gotta go guys - bye
[16:13] <phoam> later
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[16:13] <phoam> if you never had heterosexual sex, you are considered a virgin right?
[16:14] <MattJB> i guess
[16:14] <obany> MattJB: mmm don't make such a big issue out of it... is it realy that important to know
[16:15] <MattJB> yeah i already said that - just an area i have studied for probably 10 years...so i have good knowledge and interest in the subject
[16:16] <QueenVee> well, i suspect that zetas and/or nancy were a little confused on that one..... since Mary and Joseph already had children, i suspect they simply meant to say it was an in vitro fertilization
[16:17] <Numbic1> ok
[16:17] <MattJB> i'lltake thar
[16:17] <MattJB> that
[16:18] <MattJB> especially as the zetas answerson angels fit exactly what i studied
[16:19] <QueenVee> i was interested to see whether they would confirm something that the books of Seth reveal, about the crucifixion....
[16:20] <phoam> is that on the site?
[16:20] <obany> what does Seth say about it then ?
[16:20] <QueenVee> that the entity Jesus was not actually crucified, that another mentally unbalanced person claimed to be jesus and got crucified instead
[16:20] <phoam> woah
[16:20] <MattJB> hmmmmmm not my belief
[16:21] <phoam> But what would explain him dying after 3 days with a massive spear wound in the side and blood dripping from the nails?
[16:21] <obany> QueenVee: not my take either
[16:21] <MattJB> often overlooked fact....barabus full name was jesus barabus
[16:21] <phoam> was he just full of blood? hehhe
[16:21] <QueenVee> phoam: the other guy got crucified
[16:22] <MattJB> who i believe was james the just
[16:22] <phoam> yea that's what i'm implying
[16:22] <MattJB> the jews had to chose between brothers
[16:23] <MattJB> and the elders hadn't liked jesus radical views to bring in the masses to their secrets
[16:23] <phoam> were the jews hebrew back then before jesus?
[16:23] <obany> and actualy Jesus is a Greek name ... ... if i remember it right, it's  Joshua ben Joseph ?
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[16:23] <phoam> yea
[16:23] <QueenVee> Seth also says that Jesus, John the Baptist, and Paul (Saul) were all aspects of the same larger entity....
[16:23] <QueenVee> that the three of them were required to play different roles...
[16:23] <phoam> like Buddhism?
[16:23] <MattJB> yes it is an egyptian
[16:24] <MattJB> thing
[16:24] <MattJB> there are 2 pillars
[16:24] <MattJB> james and jesus
[16:24] <obany> QueenVee: not right......
[16:24] <QueenVee> obany: how do you know?
[16:24] <Numbic1> I read something similar, but not exactly like that, in a book of teachings from a Tibetan monk
[16:24] <Numbic1> only, it was just John the Baptist and Jesus
[16:25] <Numbic1> that he mentioned
[16:25] <QueenVee> Paul was the one who was really central to the spread of Christianity
[16:25] <obany> qeenvee: because it's not the the Zeta take, it's not that take of the Ra material and it's not the take of a friend of mine who is a starchild
[16:25] <MattJB> the two pillars have to be in place.....and god forms the horizontal pillar
[16:25] <MattJB> paul was a murderer
[16:25] <MattJB> he killed james
[16:25] <QueenVee> obany: where does zetatalk contradict that?
[16:25] <phoam> by the blood
[16:26] <MattJB> real christianity died the day paulpushed james down the stairs
[16:26] <phoam> what were they fighting about?
[16:26] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m20.htm
[16:27] <phoam> they were fighting about who was a better christian?
[16:27] <QueenVee> yeah, Paul definitely pushed in the direction of christianity for the masses..... thus diluting the message....
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[16:27] <obany> for what i know Jesus never intended to start a religion
[16:27] <QueenVee> obany: there's nothing in that link that contradicts Seth
[16:28] <MattJB> no there isn't
[16:28] <QueenVee> hello Guest; please change your nickname to something other than "Guest"....
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[16:28] <QueenVee> buh bye
[16:28] <MattJB> jesus and james were part of a 'cult' if you like that eventually linked the knights templar and even the freemasons
[16:29] <obany> QueenVee: well what Seth is saying doesn't sound exactly right... and well for what i remember there is no Paul entity
[16:29] <QueenVee> obany: well, that's just your personal belief, don't bring in zetatalk....
[16:29] <obany> and if you are so curious about it, why not ask it.. Altough i think it's not that important anymore
[16:29] <QueenVee> what do you mean there was no Paul entity?
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[16:29] <MattJB> paul n saul same person
[16:30] <QueenVee> yes, paul and saul are the same
[16:30] <phoam> did he pick a new name or something?
[16:30] <QueenVee> yes, after his conversion on the road to damascus
[16:30] <phoam> i forgot heh
[16:30] <QueenVee> because he was a "new man"
[16:31] <phoam> oh
[16:31] <obany> i realy doubt that there Paul aslo was a starchild
[16:31] <QueenVee> obany: you would have to read the Seth material to get a grasp at the concept of the Oversoul....
[16:31] <MattJB> paul in my opinion is largely responsible for the lies of the last 2000 years
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[16:31] <QueenVee> Matt: yes, that's true in a lot of ways
[16:32] <QueenVee> hello casper
[16:32] <phoam> so that's why christians worship the blood of jesus?
[16:32] <QueenVee> christians don't worship the blood of jesus
[16:32] <casper> hello
[16:32] <obany> QueenVee: i did read the Ra Material and i did read the text from a friend who is well not from here ... and who knows 'his' things too
[16:32] <phoam> uh.. they talk about blood.. A LOT
[16:33] <QueenVee> phoam: that dates back to judaism, the blood of the lamb and all that
[16:33] <obany> so i know about words like higher soul etc etc
[16:33] <MattJB> egyptian rituals that were passed down
[16:33] <obany> i am not a complete idiot you know
[16:33] <obany> :)
[16:33] <phoam> mmm hmmm
[16:33] <QueenVee> obany: no, not higher soul, OverSoul -- something different; and i wasn't implying that you're an idiot; just not familiar with the seth material
[16:34] <phoam> Like we all form one being?
[16:34] <MattJB> would the zetas answer a question to tellme if jacques de molay was a star child?
[16:34] <MattJB> considered by the knights templar as the 2nd coming
[16:35] <QueenVee> phoam: it's complex; in simple terms, it is more like the different ego-personalities a soul is in different past lives are all separate entities, yet part of the same soul entity...
[16:36] <phoam> ahh ok
[16:36] <QueenVee> a soul has the ability to "split" itself into separate ego-personalities; thus John, Jesus, and Paul were the same soul, but different ego-personalities
[16:37] <phoam> that's a nice theory
[16:37] <phoam> wow
[16:37] <phoam> i'll consider that
[16:37] <QueenVee> three personalities were required to fulfill the mission of one soul
[16:37] <MattJB> how does that fit with how paul fucked history queen?
[16:38] <MattJB> pardon my french :)
[16:38] <phoam> paul was probably part of the yang
[16:38] <QueenVee> the spread of christianity was part of the mission; and that was Paul's role -- and the role required a politician....
[16:38] <QueenVee> Paul was a politician
[16:39] <phoam> yea.. evil.. lol
[16:39] <MattJB> yeah but he changed the whole concept of it
[16:39] <MattJB> that doesn't work\
[16:40] <QueenVee> that was the way that particular drama was to be played out
[16:40] <QueenVee> what you dont get is this:
[16:40] <MattJB> jesus would hate the modern church, founded by paul - in myopinion :)
[16:40] <QueenVee> that the whole drama was to dramatize lessons....
[16:40] <QueenVee> corruption of the message is one of the lessons
[16:40] <MattJB> convenient
[16:41] <QueenVee> no, it just doesn't fall into the good/evil paradigm through which you interpret everthing
[16:41] <MattJB> i resent that generalisation
[16:41] <QueenVee> and i resent yours
[16:41] <QueenVee> where does that get us?
[16:42] <obany> So then a oversoul could be like Service to Self and Service to Others at the same time?
[16:42] <MattJB> my opinion of paul is not that he was evil - that he didn't understand the message
[16:42] <QueenVee> obany: the ego-personalities of the oversoul could have different orientations, yes.....
[16:42] <MattJB> so we end up with a religion that doesn't understand the water into wine is just a fucking metaphor
[16:42] <MattJB> not a miracle
[16:42] <QueenVee> there's nothing radical about that concept, obany....
[16:43] <MattJB> because pual misunderstood
[16:43] <QueenVee> in reincarnation, people are both good and bad in their past lives....
[16:43] <QueenVee> it's the end result that counts
[16:43] <obany> Yes, i know but as soon as one made the choise
[16:44] <obany> but i see your point with what you are trying to say
[16:44] <QueenVee> Matt: the lesson is that the spiritual teachings of Jesus cannot be held within an organized religion, which involves politicds
[16:44] <QueenVee> as soon as you try to do so, it because diluted
[16:44] <QueenVee> because Jesus taught a PERSONAL spirituality
[16:44] <MattJB> i have no problem with any of what your saying qqueen...except...that paul was linked in any way to jesus
[16:45] <QueenVee> well, i'm just explaining what the seth material has to say about it
[16:45] <obany> and i even doubt that my friend who has knowlegde too, wil say that they where the same ..
[16:45] <QueenVee> not trying to convince you of it
[16:45] <MattJB> thats fine
[16:46] <MattJB> i've studies early christianity for 10 years.....i take evry theory onboard
[16:46] <QueenVee> obany: and your friend is all knowing?
[16:46] <obany> QueenVee: and Seth is all knowing ?
[16:46] <QueenVee> well, i've read the extensive Seth material and it makes sense to me; i don't know your friend
[16:47] <QueenVee> Seth said that he was extremely reluctant to talk about these aspects of Jesus....
[16:47] <MattJB> i think we all need to listen to each others opinions
[16:47] <obany> i don't have anything against Seth or so ... i just never never read it or so
[16:47] <QueenVee> because it was such a sensitive topic, likely to upset people
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[16:48] <phoam> who was that?
[16:49] <MattJB> debunker
[16:49] <MattJB> ?
[16:49] <phoam> lol
[16:49] <Numbic1> she runs a tight ship, this one
[16:49] <QueenVee> i merely put forth a theory that i found in some other channelled material (material authenticated by zetatalk by the way); it is others who feel compelled to argue that it is WRONG, rather than just view it as another interesting theory
[16:49] <phoam> debunker as in a guy who comes in just saying crap without considering possibility?
[16:49] <QueenVee> yep
[16:49] <phoam> k
[16:50] <phoam> i would ban them too heh
[16:50] <Numbic1> I've seen a lot of what you were saying in modern literary criticism
[16:50] <Numbic1> not even related to spiritual teachings, just the written word in general
[16:50] <MattJB> queen i would be happy to look over that material if you could point me towards it :)
[16:51] <QueenVee> just for interest, here's what ZT says about the Seth material:
[16:51] <QueenVee> The channeled material from an entity known as Seth is in the main valid, but here and there the channel was imperfect. Where the entity relayed that time was but a factor, and could be adjusted so that travel into the past or future is possible, the channel misconstrued.
[16:51] <QueenVee> In explaining how time travel for and aft could place one in three places at once, the entity Seth so entranced its channel with this concept of a possible parallel existence that the rarity of such a situation got lost. If an entity lived a thousand incarnated lifetimes, the average percentage of time in parallel time threads would be but a thousands of a second - insignificant.
[16:51] <QueenVee> However, we highly recommend the Seth channeled material, if properly read for the overall impression as all channeled work should be.
[16:51] <QueenVee> end of quote: http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a59.htm
[16:51] <obany> QueenVee: yes, overall impression
[16:52] <QueenVee> did i say it was infallible?
[16:52] <obany> no ....
[16:52] <obany> :)
[16:52] <obany> even Lysa Royal is interresting, but also has some points that are not exactly right
[16:52] <QueenVee> the Seth material is as infallible as Zetatalk, because both are transmitted by a human channel/translator
[16:52] <QueenVee> obany:lol, and how do you know they are not right?
[16:53] <MattJB> you mean fallible
[16:53] <MattJB> but that's ok :)
[16:53] <QueenVee> lol -- yes, i mean fallible
[16:54] <QueenVee> i personally have an opinion about the purity of a given channel based on the quality of the material -- to me ZetaTalk and Seth are on par
[16:54] <obany> QueenVee: overall impression
[16:54] <obany> i just see ZT and channeled work as different... but channeled work is interresting also
[16:54] <obany> :)
[16:54] <QueenVee> obany: unlike you, i don't view zetatalk (or any channeled material) as infallible
[16:54] <MattJB> quite right
[16:55] <QueenVee> both materials make sense, and i don't see any contradictions between them
[16:55] <QueenVee> obany: it is you who are confusing your personal beliefs with zetatalk
[16:55] <MattJB> well i need to channel some food intomy stomach
[16:55] <QueenVee> there's nothing in zetatalk that contradicts the seth material
[16:56] <QueenVee> for me, they jibe very well
[16:56] <obany> QueenVee: that's not what i say, and yes i have my persoanl believes also
[16:56] <MattJB> ok lunch  - nearly the weekend! yay - see you in an hour
[16:56] <obany> and they have been influenced
[16:56] <obany> even by some Royal books, to be honest :)
[16:56] <QueenVee> Seth says from the word go that his channeled material is subject to "distortion"; and the Zetas say the same thing about the material that Nancy translates
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[16:57] <obany> well i just see telepahy and channeling as something different
[16:58] <QueenVee> it is something different, but it is subject to the same distortion
[16:58] <Numbic1> how are telepathy and channeling different?
[16:58] <obany> Nancy has to know about the issue, yes
[16:58] <QueenVee> the distortion of the individual that the material goes through
[16:58] <QueenVee> obany: can you explain the difference to Numbic?
[16:59] <obany> Numbic1: one is like a takeover, telepathy works in a different manner, it's one who sees images or hears the concept and then write it down ... no takeover whats so ever
[16:59] <QueenVee> obany: that is not true, it is not a "takeover".....
[16:59] <obany> channeling is like a new age term for mediumship
[16:59] <phoam> channeling energy from water?
[17:00] <obany> QueenVee: maybe i am using the wrong word ..
[17:00] <QueenVee> the channeler has to agree to let the entity use them to communicate
[17:00] <obany> yes okay .......
[17:00] <phoam> medium?
[17:00] <QueenVee> and as with nancy, the entity can only use the abilities, vocabulary, knowledge of the channeler.... and is limited by that....
[17:00] <phoam> that's a medium
[17:01] <phoam> wait.. i'm american.. nevermind lol
[17:01] <QueenVee> the difference is that a channeller (or medium) is allowing a spirit entity to use their mind, voice, body, etc to communicate.....
[17:01] <Numbic1> and the telepath speaks in his/her own voice
[17:01] <Numbic1> get it
[17:01] <QueenVee> and nancy is being transmitted concepts by physical entities, which she then has to translate into human English....
[17:02] <Numbic1> although if I think about it too long, it starts to fall apart
[17:02] <QueenVee> i'd say that the latter would be more subject to distortion....
[17:02] <Numbic1> they seem very similar
[17:02] <QueenVee> as the latter requires INTERPRETATION on the part of the translator
[17:02] <QueenVee> but, yes, they are very similar
[17:03] <Numbic1> yeah, it does seem that way
[17:03] <casper> http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/iraq.html
[17:05] <obany> wow it's getting late
[17:05] <obany> 2:05am :)
[17:05] <obany> going now :) ehhehehe
[17:06] <QueenVee> nite obany
[17:06] <obany> nite queen
[17:07] <monk> anyone wanna see my picture?
[17:08] <QueenVee> sure monk
[17:08] <monk> http://www.network54.com/Realm/xpchain/mike.gif
[17:09] <QueenVee> ha! well, aren't you cute?
[17:09] <monk> yea
[17:09] <QueenVee> i've been collected some photos from my mother to scan into my computer, and one is a picture of me when i was a baby.... so maybe i'll have one to share with you too
[17:10] <monk> I been scaning pics for my grandmother
[17:10] <monk> just got done printing
[17:10] <QueenVee> ah
[17:10] <QueenVee> nice thing to do
[17:10] <monk> shes gonna put pictures on pillows for chirsmas
[17:10] <QueenVee> cool
[17:10] <scooby-atwork> nice pik monk
[17:11] <Numbic1> that's a cute idea
[17:11] <scooby-atwork> was that last week?
[17:11] <obany> okay i am relay going now
[17:11] <Numbic1> well, gotta go
[17:11] <obany> bye
[17:11] <scooby-atwork> lol  :)
[17:11] <monk> I might have a recent pic if u want
[17:11] <Numbic1> nice talking to you all again
[17:11] <obany> realy
[17:11] <Numbic1> peace out
[17:11] <scooby-atwork> that one wasn't recent?
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[17:11] <scooby-atwork> by numbic
[17:11] * obany has quit IRC (bye goodnight take care sleep well welterusten )
[17:12] <QueenVee> scooby: lol
[17:13] <scooby-atwork> :)
[17:14] <QueenVee> well, i'm experiencing a first in my life; i'm waiting for my MOTHER to come home from a DATE.....
[17:15] <scooby-atwork> lol
[17:15] <scooby-atwork> don't wait up for her with a shotgun, now
[17:15] <monk> wow
[17:15] <scooby-atwork> "Do you have any idea what time it is???"
[17:15] <monk> I thought she said shes not goin on any dates
[17:15] <scooby-atwork> lol
[17:15] <QueenVee> monk: that's what she always told me.....
[17:15] <QueenVee> but this guy has been persuing her for a while....
[17:16] <QueenVee> i got to know him because we both walk our dogs at the same time.....
[17:16] <monk> http://www.network54.com/Realm/xpchain/mike11.gif heres a recent pic of me im on the right
[17:16] <QueenVee> and convinced her to go out with him
[17:17] <monk> its good shes going out
[17:17] <QueenVee> monk: hansome bruiser
[17:17] <QueenVee> you, that is
[17:17] <monk> my grandmother said shes not going on any dates with a guy again
[17:17] <QueenVee> yeah, she needs to get out more, and stop bugging me
[17:17] <monk> thanks :)
[17:17] <from_Texas> monk is that your brother with you
[17:18] <monk> Yea
[17:18] <monk> we look alike huh ?
[17:18] <scooby-atwork> dead ringer
[17:19] <monk> blond hair green eyes and brown hair and brown eyes
[17:22] <scooby-atwork> lol
[17:23] <monk> yea
[17:25] <from_Texas> where in the world has inkpen been
[17:25] <monk>  Idont knwo
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[17:25] <QueenVee> he was here yesterday
[17:26] <from_Texas> as long as he is still alive... i'm good with it
[17:27] <QueenVee> alive and kicking
[17:27] <from_Texas> it's kind of funny how you get these expectations of seeing people here... and when they aren't you realize this is your only source of communication with them
[17:27] <phoam> lol
[17:28] <QueenVee> yea, i know
[17:28] <QueenVee> if they stop coming here,it's like they fell off the face of the earth
[17:28] <monk> yea alot of people ask where is queenvee!
[17:28] <QueenVee> ha
[17:28] <QueenVee> yeah, she has no life -- why isn't she here?
[17:29] <from_Texas> i notice Nancy posted hours that you would be here QV
[17:29] * QueenVee sighs
[17:29] <QueenVee> yes, i'll have to get her to take that down....
[17:29] <QueenVee> my afternoons are getting pretty unreliable
[17:30] <monk> lol
[17:31] <from_Texas> time to eat
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[17:49] <Mad_Hatter> Greetings all...
[17:49] <scooby-atwork> hey
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[18:02] <Mad_Hatter> Hello?
[18:03] <QueenVee> hello
[18:03] <QueenVee> sorry, i had to step away
[18:03] <QueenVee> my mother just came home with her "date"...
[18:03] <Mad_Hatter> Hi QueenVee
[18:03] <Mad_Hatter> her "date"...?
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[18:04] <butch> hello
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[18:06] <QueenVee> yes, my mother was an a date....
[18:06] <QueenVee> i'm as surprised as you are
[18:07] <scooby-atwork> and....
[18:09] <QueenVee> she appears to have had a very nice time
[18:09] <Mad_Hatter> Well good for her!
[18:09] <QueenVee> it's nice to see her get her glad rags on and go out and enjoy herself
[18:11] <QueenVee> i gotta reboot my computer. i'll be right back.
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[18:20] <monk> hey queenvee what kinda computer u running
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[18:21] <QueenVee> i have an Acer TravelMate 524TE Notebook
[18:21] <monk> its slow ?
[18:21] <QueenVee> no
[18:21] <QueenVee> it's very fast
[18:21] <QueenVee> why?
[18:21] <monk> why do u have to reboot all the time ?
[18:21] <QueenVee> oh.
[18:21] <scooby-atwork> win 98?
[18:22] <QueenVee> ha
[18:22] <scooby-atwork> can tell i do tech support?
[18:22] <QueenVee> because i move my computer to different rooms, and have to reboot each time
[18:22] <scooby-atwork> can you tell...
[18:22] <QueenVee> yes
[18:22] <scooby-atwork> lol
[18:22] <QueenVee> and, yes, i know it would help to have wireless internet connection....
[18:22] <QueenVee> but i don't
[18:23] <QueenVee> so have have to unplug, reboot, replug
[18:24] <QueenVee> my mother gets lonely if i stay in my office all evening, so i move my computer out into the livingroom so i can talk to her and be online at the same time
[18:24] <scooby-atwork> just don't leave it on your lap for too long....
[18:24] <scooby-atwork> :)
[18:25] <QueenVee> i actually have a neat little slanted table....
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[18:27] <scooby-atwork> nice
[18:28] <monk> hi matt
[18:29] <Mad_Hatter> I switched from Win98 to XP.....no more blue screens or lockups...
[18:29] <scooby-atwork> me too :)
[18:29] <scooby-atwork> most of the time...
[18:29] <QueenVee> i don't have any problems whatsoever with my computer
[18:30] <QueenVee> it's worked beautifully since the day i bought it
[18:30] <QueenVee> i'm on Win98, no problems there either
[18:30] <Mad_Hatter> your lucky...
[18:30] <scooby-atwork> what about when someone DCCs you?  I thought that caused a system crash?
[18:31] <Mad_Hatter> What's a DCC?
[18:31] <scooby-atwork> <===== overly anal tech support
[18:31] <QueenVee> nope. the only thing that causes a systems crash is trying to open and read a log of the IRC channel i'm still in
[18:31] <scooby-atwork> its a way to directly transfer files among chat users
[18:31] <QueenVee> but that would cause anybody to have a crash
[18:31] <scooby-atwork> ahhhh
[18:31] <scooby-atwork> gotcha
[18:32] <Mad_Hatter> Ahhh...haven't had to use DCC as yet
[18:32] <scooby-atwork> me either....
[18:32] <scooby-atwork> but i like the sound of it!
[18:34] <QueenVee> well, let him help you both
[18:35] <QueenVee> if you make the following changes to your settings, you will be able to accept DCC files from anyone who wants to send you one:
[18:35] <QueenVee> 1. Go to DCC, then select OPTIONS, then DCC: Make sure that "auto-get file" and "auto-accept" are selected
[18:35] <QueenVee> 2. Go to DCC, then select OPTIONS, then DCC, the FOLDERS: Make sure that "DCC get folders" says "default", and that "DCC Ignore" says "disabled".
[18:35] <QueenVee> then i'll send you a DCC file to test it if you like
[18:35] <scooby-atwork> I would love to do that, but I am using web client right now
[18:36] <scooby-atwork> I will try it at home tomorrow
[18:36] <scooby-atwork> thanks QV!
[18:36] <QueenVee> dang! my dog is asking to go out. i'll be back in a bit
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[18:38] <Mad_Hatter> I just enabled DCC ....
[18:46] <scooby-atwork> I don't see DCC Ignore anywhere?
[18:46] <scooby-atwork> I am going to remote in to the home PC if possible...
[18:47] <Mad_Hatter> Do I enable the "and minimize box"?
[18:47] <scooby-atwork> if you want it to be minized in the client
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[19:05] <scooby-atwork> quiet down you guys.  I'm trying to think here
[19:06] <QueenVee> yeah, well the creaking of your mental gears is deafening
[19:06] <MattJB> hehe
[19:06] <QueenVee> i'm working on my website
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[19:06] <QueenVee> hey Bob
[19:06] <BobS> Hello peoples of the night
[19:06] <BobS> hey queen
[19:07] <BobS> how doing?
[19:07] <QueenVee> it's early yet!
[19:07] <BobS> he he
[19:07] <BobS> and here I am with no beer
[19:07] <BobS> :-(
[19:07] <QueenVee> i'm having a lovely eggnog with vodka, myself
[19:07] <MattJB> mmmmmmm beer
[19:07] <scooby-atwork> grrrr
[19:07] <BobS> oooohhh very seasonal
[19:08] <scooby-atwork> <===== wishes he was at home toking up right now
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[19:08] <BobS> heh heh...scooby...just fired up a little jib
[19:08] <scooby-atwork> nice Bob, take a toke for me
[19:08] <BobS> will do
[19:08] <QueenVee> hello Sleth
[19:08] <scooby-atwork> i'm gonna do that on my next break, in 7 minutes
[19:08] * MattJB had too much beer last night then came home and ate a huge slab of white chocolate
[19:09] <BobS> ouch!
[19:09] <QueenVee> ouch indeed
[19:09] <BobS> MattJB get sick?
[19:09] <BobS> scooby where you from?
[19:09] <scooby-atwork> sanndy eggo
[19:09] * sleth has quit IRC (Leaving)
[19:09] <MattJB> lol no i survived.....normally i'm a 2 finger down th mouth sorta guy
[19:09] <MattJB> :P
[19:09] <BobS> bye sleth
[19:09] <BobS> yikes
[19:10] <BobS> ...but me too
[19:10] <QueenVee> i just got over a traumatic event -- waiting at my mother to come home from a date.....
[19:10] <QueenVee> at=for
[19:10] <QueenVee> a very weird experience
[19:10] <BobS> so scooby what do you do that you can mIRC chat at work?
[19:10] <MattJB> mothers shouldn't be allowed to date :)
[19:10] <BobS> ha ha Queen
[19:10] <scooby-atwork> web client
[19:11] <BobS> heck no they shouldn't date!
[19:11] <BobS> unless it makes 'em happy
[19:11] <BobS> scooby...cool
[19:11] <QueenVee> seriously, i;m really glad she's doing that
[19:11] <BobS> my job won't let me download the software for IRC chats
[19:11] <BobS> crap firewall
[19:12] <QueenVee> Bob: so when you're at work you have to connect via the web?
[19:12] <BobS> but I'd never get anything done if I could?
[19:12] <scooby-atwork> no s/w req'd to d/l
[19:12] <BobS> I just don't do it at work Queen
[19:12] <QueenVee> probably for the best
[19:12] <scooby-atwork> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jurian/chat/
[19:13] <BobS> kewl!
[19:14] <BobS> man its colder than a witches tit tonight!
[19:14] <BobS> I should know...my wife's are freezing!
[19:15] <BobS> he he
[19:15] <BobS> j/k
[19:15] <MattJB> lol
[19:15] <Mad_Hatter> It's even getting COLD in Phoenix, AZ, we dropped to 40 last night
[19:15] * MattJB has been away from his wife for 10 weeks now
[19:15] <scooby-atwork> Bob: there is a small BHO that gets installed, it is the java client
[19:15] <BobS> bummer matt
[19:16] <scooby-atwork> you have to click yes each time you visit
[19:16] <BobS> oh that's pretty cool...but I assume the activity can be tracked at work...so I worry about that
[19:16] <scooby-atwork> off to lunch!
[19:16] <BobS> and a puff!
[19:16] <scooby-atwork> lol....
[19:16] <scooby-atwork> exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:17] <scooby-atwork> much needed relief!
[19:17] <scooby-atwork> here is what I do all day:
[19:17] <scooby-atwork> http://haywoodjahelpme.blogspot.com/
[19:17] <BobS> something to sllllooooowwww thiiiinnnnggggssss doooowwwwwnnnnn
[19:17] <scooby-atwork> roflmao
[19:17] <scooby-atwork> bbl!!
[19:17] <scooby-atwork> my clock says 4:20
[19:18] <scooby-atwork> it's stuck there....
[19:18] <scooby-atwork> lol
[19:21] <BobS> so anything newsy happen today? I haven't seen much
[19:22] <BobS> cept for that monster storm across the southeast U.S.
[19:23] <monk> damn pothead
[19:23] <BobS> what's wrong with potheads?
[19:24] <BobS> what does roflmao mean?
[19:25] <BobS> bueler? bueler?
[19:25] <MattJB> rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
[19:25] <BobS> lol
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[19:26] <GayFDoe> hello
[19:26] <BobS> thanks Matt
[19:26] <MattJB> wb gay - you read all of zetatalk since yesterday?
[19:26] <BobS> hello GayFDoe
[19:26] <GayFDoe> yeah
[19:26] <GayFDoe> actually i did
[19:26] <BobS> ??
[19:26] <QueenVee> hello Gay
[19:26] <BobS> you read all of ZT in one day?
[19:26] <GayFDoe> not all of it
[19:26] <MattJB> how often does pole shift occur gay?
[19:27] <GayFDoe> i am not that fast of a writer nor do i have all the time in the world
[19:27] <QueenVee> Gay: remind me what part of the world you live in
[19:27] <GayFDoe> if i remember correctly, ever 3600 years
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[19:28] <GayFDoe> <~North East United States
[19:28] <Syk> Anyone know which movies comes out on may 15 2003?
[19:28] <MattJB> nope
[19:28] <MattJB> u?
[19:28] <GayFDoe> the matrix is supposed to come out around that time
[19:28] <Syk> Matrix 2
[19:28] <MattJB> lol
[19:28] <GayFDoe> which is nearly perfect timing for the pole shifts to occur