Session Start: Tue Dec 17 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[00:15] <raincity> So, what exactly was the PX advertisement about?
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[02:07] <Mugada> G'day
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[08:45] <QueenVee> hello yggdrasil
[08:45] <yggdrasil> hi
[08:45] <yggdrasil> u need any help ??
[08:45] <QueenVee> like....?
[08:46] <yggdrasil> foot masage
[08:46] <QueenVee> yes please!
[08:46] <yggdrasil> any web page help ;-)
[08:46] <QueenVee> hehe
[08:46] <QueenVee> well, have you seen the latest version: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com
[08:47] <yggdrasil> uh huh
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[08:48] <QueenVee> i'd be happy if you wanted to design a banner that will fit in with the new colour scheme....
[08:48] <yggdrasil> um
[08:48] <yggdrasil> ok
[08:48] <QueenVee> um
[08:48] <QueenVee> but only if you want to....
[08:49] <yggdrasil> "-)
[08:49] <yggdrasil> well didnt we allready do that
[08:49] <yggdrasil> just need to change the bg
[08:49] <QueenVee> hold on...
[08:49] <QueenVee> let me review....
[08:51] <QueenVee> okay, i'm look at "logocometrev4.jpg" -- with the new colour scheme, that would just disappear into the background.... yes?
[08:52] <yggdrasil> yea
[08:52] <yggdrasil> sep to do that i have to make it a gif and i hate those
[08:52] <QueenVee> i REALLY like that banner, if you can make it fit the new background
[08:52] <yggdrasil> can u get the web # of the color
[08:52] <yggdrasil> thats your bg
[08:53] <yggdrasil> #003366
[08:53] <yggdrasil> got it
[08:54] <QueenVee> okay, what do you think about changing the letters to the same yellow as the current banner?
[08:55] <yggdrasil> yea i screwed up that layer
[08:55] <yggdrasil> but i can do it
[08:57] <QueenVee> :-)
[08:57] <yggdrasil> darn i wish i wouldnt a screwed that layer up
[08:57] <yggdrasil> :(
[08:58] <QueenVee> :(
[08:59] <yggdrasil> so it might looke a little bit different
[08:59] <yggdrasil> than the one u got but pretty close
[08:59] <yggdrasil> just the globe and the test
[09:00] <QueenVee> ok
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[09:27] <eyecu2003> hello
[09:27] <QueenVee> hello eyecu
[09:27] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room?
[09:28] <eyecu2003> incredible insight
[09:28] <eyecu2003> you?
[09:28] <QueenVee> can you be more specific?
[09:28] <eyecu2003> relating to many/most of what Zeta Talk represents
[09:29] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of the poleshift and/or zetatalk?
[09:29] <eyecu2003> waa year now----but probably all my life...
[09:29] <QueenVee> what part of the world do you live in?
[09:30] <eyecu2003> Fort Lauderdale FL
[09:30] <QueenVee> oy, not good
[09:30] <eyecu2003> gROUND zERO
[09:30] <eyecu2003> :)
[09:30] <QueenVee> are you planning to relocate?
[09:30] <eyecu2003> WHY NOT GOOD?
[09:30] <eyecu2003> because of the flood
[09:30] <eyecu2003> ?
[09:31] <QueenVee> gROUND zERO
[09:31] <eyecu2003> I am completely aware of the tidal waves and embrace them.. I dont feel nor think this pole shift is to run from
[09:32] <eyecu2003> i truley believe it is meant for a graduation
[09:32] <QueenVee> so you've accepted death
[09:32] <eyecu2003> more or less.
[09:32] <eyecu2003> absolutely
[09:32] <eyecu2003> and you?>
[09:32] <eyecu2003> what part of the world are you located in?
[09:33] <QueenVee> i'm in ontario canada. i have a role to play in the aftertime and therefore am preparing to survive
[09:33] <eyecu2003> thats interesting that you think that.
[09:34] <eyecu2003> because i believe that many people will survive... some for the sole reason of getting the "others" ready for the next stage pursay.
[09:34] <yggdrasil> queenvee
[09:35] <QueenVee> yeah, well that's what ZT indicates -- 10% will survive to take the world to 4th density in the next 100 years
[09:35] <QueenVee> yes, yggdrasil?
[09:35] <yggdrasil> check this out
[09:35] <yggdrasil> i dont like it
[09:35] <eyecu2003> I feel it is exactly opposite...
[09:36] <eyecu2003> I beleive that the 90%that stay are not ready... for the most part.
[09:36] <QueenVee> and what do you base that belief on?
[09:36] <eyecu2003> jto the 90% that does survive it will look like the 10% have passed on.  but in all actuality they have graduated and moved on to the 4th
[09:37] <QueenVee> well, that's a nice little fairy tale....
[09:37] <eyecu2003> intuition.... visions..life... experiences.... insight... and it adds up.
[09:37] <QueenVee> yggdrasil: i like it very very much
[09:37] <yggdrasil> texture on the bacgrougn?
[09:38] <eyecu2003> there is much much more that goes into this equation that has not been written about on zetatalk...
[09:38] <eyecu2003> but zetatalk is the closest to the truth
[09:38] <QueenVee> eyecu: well, i don't think you have much use for this room then; as it is for those who are interested in discussing physical preparation, not fairy tales about escaping the poleshift
[09:38] <eyecu2003> im not going to escape the poleshift
[09:38] <QueenVee> yggdrasil: sorry, i don't understand the question
[09:39] <eyecu2003> and maybe preparing for it is accepting it..
[09:39] <eyecu2003> not pushing others with different views of your own out....
[09:39] <yggdrasil> um
[09:39] <yggdrasil> there was a little bit of noise on the other bg i did for you
[09:39] <QueenVee> eyecu: well, if you are preparing to die, you won't have much use for this room
[09:39] <yggdrasil> do you want that
[09:39] <yggdrasil> or let me knwo what to change
[09:40] <QueenVee> ygg: what do you think?
[09:40] <eyecu2003> why is death so scary>?
[09:40] <QueenVee> it's not scary at all
[09:40] <eyecu2003> so you are all just talking about how to escape it?
[09:40] <yggdrasil> it prob woudnt be right
[09:40] <eyecu2003> not other views?
[09:40] <yggdrasil> unless we put a bevel on the edges
[09:40] <QueenVee> no, how to survive it, if that is our role
[09:41] <QueenVee> we are also preparing for death if that is our role
[09:41] <yggdrasil> just sucked to have to redo the ploanet
[09:41] <QueenVee> yggdrasil: do what you think will look best, then we'll throw it up and see how it looks
[09:41] <QueenVee> :-)
[09:41] <yggdrasil> anyway put it up ans well play with it
[09:41] <yggdrasil> exactly
[09:41] <eyecu2003> you understand the the 3rd dimension "earth" is hell?  right????
[09:42] <QueenVee> eyecu: no, that is not what ZT indicates
[09:42] <eyecu2003> you do understand a "screw you system" is in place... here
[09:42] <QueenVee> yes, that's why we want to survive to create a better society in the aftertime
[09:42] <eyecu2003> not without help from the 4th dimension..
[09:42] <eyecu2003> which is tainted by those that have abused this power for thousands of years..
[09:43] <QueenVee> eyecu: that is not what ZT indicates, and this is a chatroom for those who take ZT seriously. you are free to believe what you like, but not to come here and debate the veracity of zetatalk -- OK?
[09:43] <eyecu2003> which I am not...
[09:43] <eyecu2003> I am offering additional insight to those already laid forth by zetatalk..,.
[09:44] <QueenVee> and on what basis should we believe this "insight" of yours that ZT does not have?
[09:44] <eyecu2003> what makes zetatalk any diff3erent than myself...
[09:44] <eyecu2003> a person had insight at one point...
[09:44] <QueenVee> a very accurate prediction record
[09:44] <eyecu2003> dreams
[09:44] <eyecu2003> etc
[09:44] <eyecu2003> and so do I
[09:45] <QueenVee> where's the verifiable record of that?
[09:45] <eyecu2003> that go beyond what zetatalk has written of
[09:45] <eyecu2003> all of what zetatalk has written of is true
[09:45] <QueenVee> we're just supposed to take your word for it? -- no thanks, there are enough wannabe gurus in the world
[09:45] <eyecu2003> but it is not complete
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[09:45] <eyecu2003> you did when you read what zetatalk published
[09:46] <QueenVee> well, that's your belief and your are free to have it -- but not push your beliefs here
[09:46] <eyecu2003> I am not a wannebe guru
[09:46] <eyecu2003> this is exactly what I have been told in my dreams
[09:46] <QueenVee> well, actually you are
[09:46] <yggdrasil> liar
[09:46] <QueenVee> oops, there goes ygg's turettes again
[09:46] <eyecu2003> that I would be alone in my beliefs
[09:47] <eyecu2003> because if people were to understand and see the complete truth in the coming months than I and my family of 5 would be looked down upon...
[09:47] <QueenVee> eyecu: well, go find an audience elsewhere; this is a chatroom for those who are preparing and wish to discuss the May2003 poleshift AS PREDICTED BY ZETATALK -- not as predicted by eyecu....
[09:47] <QueenVee> oik?
[09:48] <eyecu2003> My birthdate is May17th 2003, and last May 17th I began to awaken....
[09:48] <QueenVee> oh, here we go....
[09:48] <QueenVee> another self-absorbed wanna-be guru asshole....
[09:49] <eyecu2003> no, here we go........  honestly----how can you begin to be so vain... and yet conduct a chatroom in this fashion if you dont believe others>>>??????
[09:49] <QueenVee> i don't believe others without any basis for doing so
[09:49] <eyecu2003> but yet you believe zetatalk....
[09:50] <QueenVee> what makes you different from the guy who came in here yesterday and told us that the poleshift isn't going to happen until 2012, because he had a dream about it?
[09:50] <eyecu2003> which is not based on fact but rather person(s) insights...;
[09:50] <QueenVee> do you know how many of your type we get in here?
[09:50] <eyecu2003> no, it will happen in May
[09:50] <eyecu2003> everything adds up to it
[09:50] <QueenVee> we believe zetatalk because of its documented accuracy record
[09:50] <QueenVee> if you don't have a comparable one, there is no reason to take you seriously
[09:51] <eyecu2003> so if I document and record my beliefs than you will beleive me?
[09:51] <QueenVee> well, you don't have time to do that now, as there is only five months left; zetatalk has been documenting its predictions for 5 years
[09:51] <QueenVee> you have to come up with something pretty compelling to convince us that there's something you know that the zetas don't
[09:52] <eyecu2003> you are missing the point againnnnnnnnnnnnnn....
[09:52] <eyecu2003> i am adding to zetatalks beleifs
[09:52] <eyecu2003> duh
[09:52] <QueenVee> and, again, we have no basis for believing that the information you are providing is accurate
[09:53] <QueenVee> so we prefer to stay with zetatalk
[09:53] <QueenVee> ok?
[09:53] <eyecu2003> other than a persons word, which isnt worth anything these days...
[09:53] <QueenVee> no -- it's not
[09:53] <QueenVee> i believe that you sincerely believe what you're saying
[09:53] <QueenVee> but so does the guy who thinks he's jesus christ
[09:54] <eyecu2003> maybe you should reflect on this a bit,,,, you have no idea who or what I am.... I could be something of great worth in additional aspirations or just like you think and feel---I could be an "asshole guru:... no wonder why you are staying,,,, you are not ready...
[09:54] <QueenVee> thanks for the advice.... buh bye
[09:55] <eyecu2003> not leaving
[09:55] <eyecu2003> have every right to be here as you do...
[09:55] <QueenVee> uh, no you don't. it's my chat room and you are here as my guest.
[09:56] <eyecu2003> and for the man that said he was "jesus christ"  you should be careful on who you shoot down....
[09:56] <Ralf> actually when it gets right down to it
[09:56] <Ralf> the only people that have a *right* to be here
[09:56] <Ralf> are the server admins
[09:56] <QueenVee> too true, ralf
[09:56] <eyecu2003> perhaps one day you will be facing something you would so readily throw aside...
[09:56] <Ralf> however, we provide a service
[09:56] <QueenVee> Ralf: and that's why i respect the rules and parameters that you have established here
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[09:56] <QueenVee> unfortunately, eyecu doesn't get that
[09:57] <eyecu2003> as I do
[09:57] <QueenVee> hi RN
[09:57] <Ralf> and since queenvee has taken legitimate ownership of this channel
[09:57] <RNTHOMAS> Howdy, ho goes...
[09:57] <Ralf> her rules are her rules
[09:57] <eyecu2003> and is well documented in the above mentioned chat text
[09:57] <Ralf> :-)
[09:57] <QueenVee> RN: oh, just dealing with another wanna-be guru here who claims to have information that the zetas don't
[09:57] <QueenVee> i'm playing with him a bit before kicking him out on his ass
[09:58] <eyecu2003> and what makes you a queen???  the info was just for you... or those whom you choose to relay it to???
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[09:58] <eyecu2003> how selfish
[09:58] <QueenVee> how are things in vancouver, RN?
[09:58] <QueenVee> eyecu: that's me, selfish to the core
[09:58] <tied2>   «««««««««««« Hello RNTHOMAS »»»»»»»»»»»»
[09:58] <tied2>    QueenVee H E L L O QueenVee
[09:58] <RNTHOMAS> It was a beautiful night, clear, stars...  But too much light pollution from the moon...
[09:58] <RNTHOMAS> Hey Tied2!
[09:58] <QueenVee>     HELLO TIED2     
[09:59] <QueenVee> RN: there was a very distinct halo around the moon in my area last night
[09:59] <RNTHOMAS> But right now it's overcast and rainy...
[09:59] <eyecu2003> thats you defending your beliefs to others.. beginning to sound like the catholic church
[09:59] <RNTHOMAS> BTW: does anyone have a link to the solar flares coming off the sun..
[10:00] <tied2> nope
[10:00] <QueenVee> RN: are you hooked up to Tuatha's Earthchanges discussion listserve? he gives reports on a daily basis
[10:00] <tied2> this is off topic but  http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2583383.stm
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[10:01] <QueenVee> God, that's disgusting
[10:01] <QueenVee> time to rid this earth of such vermin
[10:02] <QueenVee> great line from a Paul Simon song i'm listening to:  "Why am I soft in the middle when the rest of my life is so hard"?
[10:03] <yggdrasil> i listen to that alot
[10:03] <QueenVee> isn't that a great cd?
[10:03] <QueenVee> never gets old
[10:04] <yggdrasil> yea
[10:04] <yggdrasil> my favorite is
[10:05] <yggdrasil> dam
[10:05] <yggdrasil> wheres my pasimino
[10:05] <yggdrasil> i know what i know
[10:05] <yggdrasil> thats the prob with having 5000 songs
[10:06] <yggdrasil> u can never find the one u want
[10:06] <QueenVee> it's a thing that i do with the back of my head
[10:06] <yggdrasil> yeap
[10:06] <QueenVee> i like every single song on the cd
[10:07] <yggdrasil> i just realy like the bass on the whole album is amazing
[10:07] <QueenVee> yes, and the percussion
[10:07] <QueenVee> simon is a consummate musician -- but also a wonderful poet
[10:07] <yggdrasil> and whoo whooo whooo
[10:08] <QueenVee> his lyrics are very evocative
[10:08] <yggdrasil> hmm
[10:08] <yggdrasil> yea
[10:08] <yggdrasil> multivocal
[10:08] <yggdrasil> dont make very much sence
[10:08] <QueenVee> "losing love is like a window in your heart / everybody sees you're blown apart / everybody feels the wind blow"
[10:08] <tex-at-work> RN: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html
[10:09] <RNTHOMAS> Thanks tex...
[10:09] <QueenVee> tex to the rescue, as usual
[10:09] <tex-at-work> what happened to that icu girl
[10:09] <yggdrasil> yep
[10:09] <yggdrasil> but he only gets like one sentence
[10:09] <QueenVee> icu girl?
[10:09] <yggdrasil> they dont go into the next sentence
[10:10] <yggdrasil> that is very tru though i know more than anyone
[10:10] <tex-at-work> eyecu2003
[10:10] <QueenVee> tex: i made him cry and he left in a pique
[10:10] <tex-at-work> oh my
[10:11] <QueenVee> i'm developing an extremely low tolerance for these wannabe guru types
[10:11] <yggdrasil> im a wanna be bum
[10:11] <QueenVee> we're going to see more and more of them as time goes on....
[10:11] <tex-at-work> yes we are
[10:11] <QueenVee> and intend to show them no mercy
[10:12] <tex-at-work> kick ass and take names....
[10:12] <QueenVee> hehe
[10:12] <QueenVee> we should put up a special page on the website -- Wannabe Guru of the Week
[10:13] <RNTHOMAS> QV: I can walk on water!  Does that make me wanna be guru type, or just a real guru!  
[10:13] <RNTHOMAS> QV: mind you Jesus boots sure help! lol
[10:13] <QueenVee> RN: i dunno. maybe you're just really gaseous
[10:13] <RNTHOMAS> That's what my other half calls me!
[10:13] <QueenVee> but then, ya gotta be full of hot air to be a wannabe guru
[10:13] <tied2> I can walk on water below 32 degrees F
[10:14] * QueenVee is speechless at that one
[10:14] <QueenVee> lol
[10:14] <QueenVee> just got it
[10:14] <QueenVee> doh
[10:14] <tied2> lmao
[10:14] <RNTHOMAS> Tied2: Wow! QV toungtied!   Tied2, I'm impressed!
[10:14] <QueenVee> it's just too damned early in the day
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[10:15] <QueenVee> hi obany
[10:17] <QueenVee> geez, just got a crazy email that's NOT related to the poleshift....
[10:17] <obany> hi Queen
[10:18] <QueenVee> i put together an email mailing list of businesses in the downtown area for my brother -- and send out notices about special events he has in his bistro from time to time....
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[10:19] <QueenVee> some guy has just sent me the most over-the-top email complaining about being on the list
[10:19] <QueenVee> he gets an email from us, like, once every two months
[10:19] <QueenVee> i'm so tempted to send him back a one-line response:  LIKE, DON'T HAVE A COW, MAN
[10:20] <tex-at-work> green eggs and spam
[10:20] <QueenVee> i just block addresses i don't want email from, no biggie
[10:20] <QueenVee> takes more time (and energy) to write a screaming email
[10:21] <QueenVee> he probably needed to take his bad day out on someone -- i'm glad to have been of service
[10:21] <tex-at-work> lol
[10:21] <QueenVee> hey, that's what it's all about -- service to others
[10:21] <QueenVee> hehe
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[10:23] <tied2> http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2577109.stm
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[10:23] <QV2> cool
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[10:23] <QueenVee> that was me, testing something out
[10:23] <obany> i noticed that
[10:24] <QueenVee> :-)
[10:25] <QueenVee> hey, would you guys do me a favour? go to this page and try and enter this room via the web -- and tell me if it asks you to install an applet before you can....
[10:25] <QueenVee> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jurian/chat/big.html
[10:25] <obany> yes it wants to a install a aplet at first
[10:26] <QueenVee> darn
[10:26] <QueenVee> ok
[10:26] <QueenVee> Ralf: are you there?
[10:26] <QueenVee> oh, i forgot, you have to give the call: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALF!
[10:27] <RNTHOMAS> Yup it tried to install an applet...
[10:27] <QueenVee> thanks, RN
[10:27] <tex-at-work> does it everytime
[10:27] <QueenVee> much appreciated, guys
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[10:31] <Jurian> do not fear, I is here! :p
[10:31] <Jurian> something wrong with the chat applet??
[10:31] <RNTHOMAS> Does this mean we should head for the hills?
[10:31] <QueenVee> i give the call for ralf, and jurian shows up...
[10:32] <QueenVee> hi jurian
[10:32] <QueenVee> here's the dilemma:
[10:32] <RNTHOMAS> Yup... You're scaring us!  lol
[10:32] <Jurian> you must've dialed the wrong area code :p
[10:32] <QueenVee> there is someone who works for the canadian government who wants to be able to participate in this chat room when she's at work; she works for the defence department, believe it or not.....
[10:33] <Jurian> and she's behind a firewall, and can't get on? :)
[10:33] <QueenVee> but she's not allowed to down load anything from the net for security reasons....
[10:33] <QueenVee> is there ANY way for her to participate without having to do that?
[10:33] <QueenVee> the old web portal didn't require you to download an applet
[10:33] <RNTHOMAS> Yes there sure is...
[10:33] <QueenVee> www.funnet.org
[10:33] <QueenVee> RN: ?
[10:34] <RNTHOMAS> There's a JAVA based IRC client... I'd have to look for it at home...
[10:34] <QueenVee> Jurian: why doesn't the old portal work anymore: www.funnet.org  ?
[10:34] <Jurian> no, but that was evil, as it made it impossible to ban disruptive people, without banning all users that used that thing
[10:34] <QueenVee> RN: no, she can't download and install software....
[10:34] <Jurian> RNTHOMAS: java wont work if you can't download applets
[10:34] <RNTHOMAS> Is she using Internet Explorer?
[10:34] <QueenVee> dang.
[10:34] <QueenVee> RN: i believe so
[10:35] <RNTHOMAS> If yes, then she's running Java.
[10:35] <RNTHOMAS> Java's built into the viewer...
[10:35] <QueenVee> RN: so what does she do?
[10:35] <Jurian> no it isn't
[10:35] <Jurian> java is a plugin, which will most surely be disabled at any sensible government office
[10:35] <QueenVee> i was really hoping that this dame might have some info from the defence department....
[10:36] <Jurian> with no way for her to enable it
[10:36] <RNTHOMAS> Jurian, it may be disabled, but then again it could be turned on...
[10:36] <Jurian> there may be a way, but I'd have to write a webbased chat client
[10:36] <QueenVee> she says she's going to get a home computer soon and will participate then....
[10:36] <Jurian> RNTHOMAS: no, not in any properly setup system, she can't enable it if the admins wont let her
[10:37] <Jurian> trust me, I'm a sysadmin, I know :p
[10:37] <QueenVee> her emails have been interesting, she keeps saying, with great emphasis, how DEEPLY INTERESTED she is in this subject....
[10:37] <Jurian> hmmm
[10:37] <RNTHOMAS> Jurian: I know all that is possible...  But remember this is the Govt we are talking about...
[10:37] <RNTHOMAS> Ya never know, it could still be enabled...
[10:37] <Jurian> heh, true
[10:38] <RNTHOMAS> It is the government, who ever equated Govt and making sence!
[10:38] <Jurian> I suppose I could write some web-based chat thing, that doesn't use java or anything
[10:38] <QueenVee> i don't think she's willing to mess around with the computers in any way
[10:38] <Jurian> wait, is this the US govt, or the canadian govt? :)
[10:38] <QueenVee> Jurian: that would be every so lovely....
[10:38] <QueenVee> canadian govt
[10:38] <Jurian> QueenVee: it would take a while before its ready tho, lots of work
[10:38] <RNTHOMAS> I'd much rather see Cdn Govt then US any day of the week.
[10:38] <Jurian> and it wont be very user-friendly, just.. workable
[10:39] <Ralf> i've started on and off on that project
[10:39] <Ralf> for the past year
[10:39] <Ralf> unfortunately i'm a little low on hardware to do it with
[10:39] <QueenVee> well, it's up to you Jurian; it doesn't make sense to do all that work just for one person....
[10:39] <Jurian> Ralf: I've done it before, biggest part is writing the server part
[10:39] <Ralf> since half my machines are still at my old house
[10:39] <QueenVee> Jurian: not to worry
[10:39] <QueenVee> if she's that interested, she'll get a home computer
[10:39] <RNTHOMAS> Ralf: Perl CGI would work quite nice...
[10:39] <Ralf> yeah, basically it requires a pseudoserver that translates ip information from the HTTP requests
[10:39] <Jurian> Ralf: maybe we can do it together? I can write the fake-server code, and you could do the client-side thingie
[10:40] <Ralf> RNTHOMAS: no it wouldn't
[10:40] <Jurian> CGI irc is evil
[10:40] <Jurian> and I refuse to vote yes to link that
[10:40] <Ralf> it's a bit more complex than that
[10:40] <Jurian> anythign that shows the webserver IP as host, is unacceptable
[10:40] <Ralf> exactly
[10:40] <Ralf> the problem with all Perl clients
[10:40] <Jurian> yep
[10:40] <Ralf> is that they show the WEBSERVER's IP
[10:40] <Ralf> not the USER's ip
[10:41] <Ralf> so if someone's abusive
[10:41] <Ralf> we can't ban them
[10:41] <Jurian> I've done this before.. I can do it again (and better)
[10:41] <Jurian> we need a webbased chat for funnet anyway, so I might as well write the pseudo-server code for it
[10:42] <Ralf> PHP. :D
[10:42] <Jurian> of course :)
[10:42] <Jurian> I've written services in PHP before, not too hard :p
[10:43] <Ralf> PHP is incredibly powerful
[10:43] <Ralf> i've been using it religiously for web design for over a year now
[10:43] <Jurian> I code it for a living :p
[10:43] <Jurian> so yeah, I love it :)
[10:44] <Jurian> the memory management is somewhat un-cool, for something like an irc pseudo server, but I'll just abuse a database to store users and channels >:)
[10:45] <Jurian> heh, I think I'll start writing this pseudo server thing.. :D
[10:51] <QueenVee> Jurian: so how long is something like that gonna take you?
[10:52] <Jurian> hmm, not sure really, have to write an entire pseudo-server, and an irc client.. not something you do in a few days :)
[10:53] <QueenVee> good heavens: they've had to close down the Suez Canal due to bad weather
[10:53] <Jurian> nasty
[11:03] <RNTHOMAS> Well, just in case, I'll check an see if I can find that Java client..  We could 'see' if it works, that takes only 1-2 hours...
[11:03] <QueenVee> lol
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[11:03] <QueenVee> hello inside
[11:03] <insiderevolution> Hello Lady :)
[11:03] <insiderevolution> Hello everyone!
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[11:04] * QueenVee waits for someone to make a "Hey, that ain't no Lady" joke...
[11:04] <tex-at-work> not going there
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[11:04] <inside-revolution> Hello again! :)
[11:04] <inside-revolution> How is your day?
[11:04] <tex-at-work> hi inside
[11:05] <QueenVee> not bad, not bad
[11:05] <inside-revolution> When will start the flooding in Texas?
[11:06] <tex-at-work> we canceled the flooding in Texas
[11:06] <inside-revolution> How?
[11:06] <QueenVee> lol
[11:06] <QueenVee> he is joking with you, inside
[11:06] <RNTHOMAS> QV: Nope it's not gonna work...
[11:06] <RNTHOMAS> Just checked.
[11:06] <inside-revolution> really?
[11:07] <inside-revolution> why?
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[11:07] <RNTHOMAS> it also downloads code... Forgot about that... :(, looks like the 2 month method is the only way.
[11:08] <tex-at-work> because i don't want it to flood here .. inside
[11:08] <inside-revolution> 2month method?
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[11:08] <inside-revolution> what is that method?
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[11:08] <DRGREEN> Does anybody know what's up with the new PX image-analysis?
[11:09] <DRGREEN> Hi by the way.
[11:09] <RNTHOMAS> Jurian, Ralf, check out this chat area...  COuld this work?  http://www.marinefish.net/chat/
[11:09] <Jurian> no, is java
[11:11] <RNTHOMAS> But it doesn't download any applets...   You could identd the person as username@servername...
[11:11] <RNTHOMAS> You can ban by the username...
[11:11] <RNTHOMAS> and kick as well.
[11:11] <RNTHOMAS> You don't always have to use the host name.
[11:11] <Jurian> doesn't download applets???
[11:12] <RNTHOMAS> No, I didn't get asked... Did you?
[11:12] <Jurian> I dare say that's impossible
[11:12] <Jurian> yes, I did
[11:12] <RNTHOMAS> That's why I asked you...
[11:12] <Jurian> ANY java based chat, will be in the form of an applet
[11:12] <Jurian> in fact, *ANY* java program you run in your browser, will be an applet :)
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[11:13] <RNTHOMAS> Then you and I both cannot explain what we are seeing... You say it's Java, then you say it's not...
[11:13] <Jurian> eh?
[11:13] <Jurian> it is java
[11:13] <Jurian> I never said its not
[11:15] <RNTHOMAS> My mistake on that one...
[11:16] <Jurian> hehe :)
[11:16] <Jurian> is ok :)
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[11:17] <RNTHOMAS> All I was going is the simple obvious thing.. Somebody out there's gotta have a plain web client for IRC...
[11:17] <RNTHOMAS> At least by now...
[11:17] <Jurian> not the way we want it
[11:18] <tex-at-work> inside you still there
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[11:19] <DRGREEN> Does anybody know what's up with the new PX image-analysis?
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[11:20] <RNTHOMAS> DRGREEN: in my own very limited method of examining the latest pics, I couldn't see squat...
[11:20] <RNTHOMAS> DR: I figure that I'm blind, so I'm awaiting to see what Steve or NancyL come out with...
[11:20] <RNTHOMAS> DR: And it's not from a lack of trying on my part.
[11:20] <RNTHOMAS> DR: to see something.
[11:21] <DRGREEN> Aha. So, do you have any idia where I can get a DSS image to compare with? Thx in advance.
[11:22] <RNTHOMAS> DR: They have DSS images on the www.zetatalk.com website...
[11:22] <Jurian> heh, there is a blurry thing, where its supposed to be
[11:22] <Jurian> but that's about as far as I can go
[11:22] <RNTHOMAS> Oh, BTW, there's a faster link for downloading the images from as well...
[11:23] <Jurian> www.troubled-times.com/fits  :p
[11:23] <RNTHOMAS> JUR: I sure would like to see what you're seeing...
[11:24] <RNTHOMAS> The DSS image is sitting right where Jurian's link points...
[11:24] <DRGREEN> The new pics fall out of the area of the old DSS, not?
[11:24] <Jurian> that location I pointed to has a good dss
[11:25] <RNTHOMAS> Correct, there's a new DSS sitting on the link jurian sent out...
[11:25] <RNTHOMAS> It's also the FASTEST place to D/L the Dec 13/14 pics from.
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[11:25] <RNTHOMAS> The link on zetatalk for Dec 13th crawls like a slug.
[11:25] <DRGREEN> allright, thx I'll download.
[11:26] <RNTHOMAS> So capture the link that Jurian provided.
[11:26] <RNTHOMAS> Jurian: you're actually seeing something...
[11:26] <RNTHOMAS> Would it be possible for you to DCC me a BMP file that shows the evil beasty!
[11:26] <RNTHOMAS> I can't find it!
[11:27] <RNTHOMAS> Maybe take an editor and circle it for me.. I'd really appreciate it...
[11:27] <RNTHOMAS> Jur: Please!  pretty please!  I know I'm being a pain!
[11:27] <Jurian> yeah, wait :p
[11:27] <RNTHOMAS> Thanks guy!
[11:28] <DRGREEN> Hey jurian, if all works out, could you send me as well?
[11:28] <RNTHOMAS> Soon everybody in the room Pipes up asking for a copy! lol!
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[11:32] <RNTHOMAS> Jurian's fingers fly over the keyboard...   Loading graphics editing software...  Drawing little circles for all us blind people over here who can't find our heads from a hole in the wall!  lol
[11:32] <DRGREEN> hehe.
[11:32] <Jurian> well, its hardly worth pointing at, but its the only thing I can find that *might* be it :p
[11:33] <DRGREEN> I have to images now, I'll start comparing.
[11:33] <RNTHOMAS> Well, non of us are experts in the field...
[11:33] <Jurian> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jurian/dec14.png
[11:33] <RNTHOMAS> But a good pointer is better then nothing...
[11:34] <Jurian> I did, as far as I know, a median combine, not a sum
[11:34] <Jurian> median is supposed to be the "correct thing", as far as I've understood it
[11:34] <RNTHOMAS> What software are you using?
[11:34] <Jurian> iris
[11:35] <Jurian> all I see in that cirle tho, is a + shaped blob
[11:35] <Jurian> requires a lot of fantasy to believe that may be planet X
[11:36] <Jurian> its not impossible.. but *I* am not convinced.. :)
[11:36] <DRGREEN> well, that might be it I guess. Z's said it was pretty diffuse.
[11:37] <RNTHOMAS> Do you have the same thing for Dec 13th?
[11:37] <Jurian> no, couldn't find anythign on dec13, so figured I did it wrong and threw the junk I made away :p
[11:37] <RNTHOMAS> If it moves, then you'll have something a hell of alot better then fantasy...
[11:37] <Jurian> yeah
[11:37] <RNTHOMAS> Not even on the 1200 exposures...
[11:37] <Jurian> I'll try
[11:38] <Jurian> hang on, lemme see if I can remember how to work this bastard :)
[11:38] <RNTHOMAS> Just make the same 'junk' as you call it... Then flash the two frames back and forth...
[11:38] <DRGREEN> I see what you mean now. That's a huge blob, but I could image it to be PX. Almost looks like there's a tail behind it, quite clearly.
[11:38] <DRGREEN> imagine.
[11:38] <RNTHOMAS> Dec 13 and 14 register pretty close...
[11:39] <RNTHOMAS> I found the SUM's are too noisy...
[11:41] <Jurian> problem is, the junk I get for dec13 doesn't make any sense
[11:41] <Jurian> not aligned right
[11:42] <RNTHOMAS> Ok, well, you've given me enuff to work with, thank you VERY MUCH Jurian...  I really appreciate you takin the time to help us out on this.
[11:42] <Jurian> hmm wait, got something now :D
[11:43] <RNTHOMAS> Coowel!
[11:43] <Jurian> lemme see if I can find it on this pretty dec13 thing
[11:43] <RNTHOMAS> It should not be where it was, check to the left.
[11:44] <RNTHOMAS> Even if it is, but with only slight movement is good enuff for us...
[11:45] <Dsarith> May I ask a question?
[11:45] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith, nope!  You're not alowed to say squat!  lol, only kidding, wazzup...
[11:45] <Jurian> "Don't ask to ask, just ask"
[11:46] <Dsarith> Having read a ton of sites on the topic of Planet X in the last week...
[11:46] <DRGREEN> Jurian, what you circled might be it from what I see. The tail also is not on the DSS.
[11:46] <Dsarith> Wouldnt the Planet be close enough by now that it would be extremely bright in the night sky?
[11:46] <DRGREEN> No.
[11:46] <RNTHOMAS> Jurian:- Is HOT!!! tonight!
[11:46] <Jurian> heh
[11:46] <RNTHOMAS> Nope... It takes only 8 months to get here...
[11:46] <DRGREEN> That would be about two months before passage.
[11:47] <RNTHOMAS> It accelerates...
[11:47] <Jurian> I can't find anything on the dec13 thing, but, that's not nearly as high quality as the dec14 image I managed to get iris to make :D
[11:47] <Jurian> I dont think I have the right dark/flat/bias files for dec13 tho
[11:47] <Jurian> it doesn't seem to like the dec14 ones much
[11:48] <Dsarith> So two months before passage, it should be very obvious in the night sky.
[11:48] <Jurian> heh, with a damn huge amount of fantasy, you can make something out, near the dec14 location
[11:49] <Jurian> but that needs a HUGE amount of fantasy :D
[11:49] <Jurian> lets see if I can make a prettier image
[11:49] <DRGREEN> Dsarith, yes, and the closer it comes, the better you seen it. According to ZT it will be not exactly 2 months before, but a little less.
[11:50] <DRGREEN> It's not like *plop* there it is.
[11:50] <DRGREEN> But I guess one month before passage it will be pretty damn obvious.
[11:51] <Dsarith> Has anyone gone out and looked at all the conflicting information out on the net lately?
[11:51] <Dsarith> There is tons of it
[11:51] <Dsarith> What does one accept and what does one discard
[11:52] <DRGREEN> that's quite difficult, I know what you mean.
[11:53] <RNTHOMAS> SCI.Astro!
[11:53] <RNTHOMAS> lol!
[11:53] <DRGREEN> hehe.
[11:54] <RNTHOMAS> They screech too loud there, and in doing so, they don't look all that believable either.
[11:54] * Jurian looks in horror at the evil image iris produced
[11:54] <Jurian> lets try that again...
[11:54] <DRGREEN> hehe.
[11:55] <DRGREEN> Jurian, is there a warez version of IRIS?
[11:55] <RNTHOMAS> DRGREEN: it's free...
[11:55] <Jurian> its free :p
[11:55] <RNTHOMAS> http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/us/iris/iris.htm
[11:55] <Jurian> yeah
[11:55] <Dsarith> In fear of getting blasted, I will ask this question. What if Planet X is not real? What happens in May to all those who believe? Just trying to understand.
[11:56] <RNTHOMAS> QV: The zetatalk website should link to this program...
[11:56] <DRGREEN> thank you.
[11:56] <Jurian> heh, if its not real, I'll say "oh well" and have a beer, and go on with life :p
[11:56] <Jurian> noone gonna get hurt if it doesn't happen
[11:56] <Jurian> well, maybe nancy
[11:56] <QueenVee> sorry all, if anyone was talking to me -- i got pulled away by a phone call
[11:57] <Jurian> I imagine people will be ready to put her on a barbeque if it turns out to be non-true
[11:57] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith: RNTHOMAS blasting away!!! You evil NAE Saying &@^$*!($, acutally if Px doesn't come thru, they would probably get real angry...
[11:57] <Jurian> dont think I'll care much either way
[11:57] <Dsarith> From what I have been reading, lots of people have bought land, mostly in Arizona, I think :-)
[11:58] <Jurian> lots??
[11:58] <Dsarith> Well, lots in terms of what I am reading.
[11:58] <Jurian> hrm, iris produced a nice image for dec13 now
[11:58] <Dsarith> You always get partial truths out there
[11:58] <DRGREEN> Dsarith, with the new pictures coming forth, the possibility of a poleshift in 2003 is getting more obvious every day. Almost all of ZT prediction have come true. Better to prepare and nothing happens than the other way around.
[11:58] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith: Well, although this is *NOT* the place to discuss this, There's lots of data out there suggesting the existance of Px... To me it's not a question of IF, it's more a question of WHEN?
[11:59] <Jurian> but I must say.. there's jack shit on this one, as far as I can see
[11:59] <Dsarith> I agree, I think it was the boy scouts who said Always be Prepared
[11:59] <Jurian> yeah, I'm pretty sure it IS out there, somewhere
[11:59] <Dsarith> I agree with you on When?
[11:59] <Jurian> question is not, does it exist, question is, will it come in may 2003, but that's not for this channel to discuss :p
[12:00] <Dsarith> That is why I asked to ask my question :p
[12:00] <Jurian> hehe :)
[12:00] * Jurian stares at the dec13 median
[12:00] <RNTHOMAS> Could you try the Dev 14th median?  It's pretty much of the same sky anyway..?
[12:01] <Dsarith> I live in North Texas and apparently I will be under water.. bummer!
[12:01] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith: This is the voice of Gawd here...   I want you to build AN ARCH!
[12:01] <Dsarith> lol
[12:01] <Jurian> I used the dec14 dark/flat/bias for the dec13 images (the 240* ones, the 1200* ones dont gimme anything usefull)
[12:01] <Dsarith> Hey, I am already thinking about it!
[12:03] <Jurian> http://home.online.no/~flem/images/america.gif :D
[12:04] <DRGREEN> Jurian, I'll figure out how the program works then I'll try to help you out, see if I can get anything out.
[12:04] <Jurian> hehe
[12:04] <obany> Jurian: wich program did you tried?
[12:04] <obany> try ?
[12:04] <Jurian> iris
[12:04] <Jurian> and cadet, but cadet only does sum's, and is lame
[12:05] <RNTHOMAS> I'm liking the Dec 14th images from IRIS...
[12:05] <RNTHOMAS> At least we see something there.
[12:05] <Jurian> what I do in iris, is make sure the settings point to the right dir, then open the command bar and type: load Dec13-240-1
[12:06] <Jurian> then drag a square around a bright star, with the mouse
[12:06] <Jurian> then:
[12:06] <Jurian> full_pr Dec13-240- I dark offset flat 15
[12:06] <Jurian> and let it go at it
[12:06] <Dsarith> Ok one more thing and I will shut up, since I know nothing about mapping the stars... Having read what I have read, I still dont know where the safest spot in the US is. Am I stupid (rhetorical question) or did I miss something.
[12:06] <Jurian> then slap the "auto" button again, on the "threshold" window
[12:07] <Jurian> heh, safest isn't quite the right name, anyway
[12:07] <Jurian> least dangerous would be more accurate
[12:07] <Dsarith> Safer :-)
[12:08] <DRGREEN> Dsar, try Safe Locs on www.zetatalk.com
[12:08] <DRGREEN> Or did you do so already?
[12:08] <Dsarith> I have, therefore, I must be in the stupid catagory .. lol
[12:09] <Jurian> well, not really
[12:09] <DRGREEN> :)
[12:10] <Jurian> it doesn't really say "go there, that's safest"
[12:10] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith: what's the matter with you, you can't read Russian or spanish or french?
[12:10] <Jurian> it just deals with loads of locations
[12:10] <Jurian> best you can do, is get a map, and look at the areas around you, and compare them with what the safe locs doc says, and pick the least bad thing you find
[12:11] <Dsarith> Exactly, I need to know what language to be studying :-)
[12:12] <RNTHOMAS> Try the Latin links, they're really coowel!
[12:12] <Dsarith> lol
[12:12] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith: I agree the search engine is a real pain in the butt!
[12:14] <Dsarith> I shall continue my search. Didnt mean to interrupt your discussions. I will just sit back and listen. Thanks for not hammering me for asking stupid questions
[12:15] <Jurian> no such thing as stupid questions (apart from "can I ask a question?" ) :p
[12:16] <DRGREEN> Dsarith, please do not say that. Ask what you like in my opinion.
[12:18] <RNTHOMAS> We try not to blow people out of the water...  Unless it's a game of Battle Ship!
[12:18] <Dsarith> I appreciate your comments
[12:20] <Dsarith> Back in 95, I use to have to teach people IRC and its etiquette. Which when asking off subject question, I ask first to ask a question :-). Otherwise I ask
[12:20] <DRGREEN> I gotta go all, very best of luck to you.
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[12:20] <Dsarith> Thanks
[12:29] <Jurian> well, "can I ask a question", I usually answer with "you just did"
[12:29] <Jurian> "can I ask an off-topic question" would be slightly more usefull :)
[12:29] <Dsarith> True and I will keep it in mind
[12:32] <Jurian> hehe, dont worry about it too much tho :)
[12:32] <Dsarith> :-)
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[12:40] <QueenVee> hello Dsarith
[12:40] <QueenVee> hi Kindred
[12:41] <Kindred> Hi QV
[12:41] <Dsarith> Hi QV
[12:41] <QueenVee> Dsarith: i've not seen you here before, what part of the world do you live in?
[12:41] <Dsarith> Dallas TX
[12:41] <Dsarith> Been reading alot on Planet X
[12:42] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[12:42] <Dsarith> Since the beginning of the Month so I am a little behind. Trying to sort out all the information.
[12:43] <QueenVee> ah, yes, a lot to absorb
[12:43] <Dsarith> There is certainly a ring of truth, yet logically I fight the possibility.
[12:44] <Dsarith> You all have already decided and I am sure have prepared.
[12:44] <QueenVee> you should check out our website, especially the links section, which is a good source of further information: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com
[12:45] <QueenVee> Dsarith: if you would like to be on our mailing list about scheduled zetatalk sessions and chats in this room, just give me your email address on a private channel
[12:45] <Dsarith> robertg@airmail.net
[12:45] <Dsarith> Its ok, its not private :-)
[12:45] <QueenVee> great, i've put you on the list now
[12:46] <QueenVee> where abouts in texas do you live?
[12:47] <Dsarith> Dallas
[12:47] <Dsarith> North
[12:47] <Dsarith> According to what I can tell, we will get some water
[12:47] <QueenVee> well, no city is safe during the poleshift, regardless of flooding
[12:48] <Dsarith> What made you decide that Planet X was real and the Pole will shift?
[12:48] <Dsarith> I dont have to go far to get into the middle of nowhere :-)
[12:48] <Dsarith> Texas is still pretty open
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[12:49] <Dsarith> I am looking at your website
[12:49] <QueenVee> hello rumple
[12:49] <QueenVee> i like your name
[12:49] <Rumple> ty
[12:49] <Rumple> :)
[12:49] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room, rumple?
[12:50] <Rumple> just seeing what people are saying about px
[12:50] <QueenVee> Dsarith: in answer to your question, i have been aware of the coming poleshift from a variety of source since i was very young
[12:50] <Dsarith> I have read on that too
[12:50] <QueenVee> Rumple: well, this isn't a general chat room about PX, it's for people who are seriously preparing for the May2003 poleshift....
[12:51] <Rumple> and are you?
[12:51] <QueenVee> yes
[12:52] <Rumple> wow
[12:52] <RNTHOMAS> Yup@
[12:52] <Rumple> how many people do you know who have actively changed there lives in anticipation?
[12:52] <QueenVee> why would you be shocked to discover people who are preparing for the poleshift in a chatroom about preparing for the poleshift?
[12:53] <QueenVee> i think it's our turn to say "wow"
[12:53] <RNTHOMAS> There's at least 6 here in the small town where I live.
[12:53] <Rumple> dunno, its just a big step to take
[12:53] <RNTHOMAS> 7th is coming online now.
[12:53] <Rumple> where are u rnthomas?
[12:54] <RNTHOMAS> Vancouver Island, British Columbia..
[12:54] <Rumple> does anyone have numbers of people worldwide who are involved?
[12:54] <RNTHOMAS> Not that organized...
[12:55] <RNTHOMAS> It's not meant to be either.
[12:55] <Dsarith> My understanding there will be 7 weeks time to move and get setup. Most of which will be completely ignored by the masses
[12:55] <Rumple> 7 weeks b4 the shift?
[12:55] <Dsarith> Yes b4 the shift
[12:55] <QueenVee> Dsarith: that's considered the very latest one can get prepared
[12:55] <Dsarith> However it should be very appearant when that 7 weeks is marked
[12:56] <QueenVee> at the very least one should have an extensive plan that can be put into place at that point
[12:56] <QueenVee> Rumple: 7 weeks before the shift you will be able to see PX in the daytime sky with the naked eye
[12:56] <Dsarith> Absolutely
[12:57] <Rumple> what about at night?, surely it will be visible before then?
[12:57] <yggdrasil> im waiting till the night b4
[12:57] <yggdrasil> just like i got thru hight shcool
[12:57] <Rumple> lol
[12:57] <Rumple> ...fast car waiting huh?
[12:58] <Dsarith> QV, not trying to offend you at all, but what if Planet X proves not to be true?
[12:58] <QueenVee> then we all get to carry on with our current lives
[12:58] <QueenVee> the wise person prepares for all eventualities
[12:59] <Jurian> well, most, anyway :)
[12:59] <Jurian> all, would be a bit impossible :)
[12:59] <Rumple> queenvee...you said you've know about this since u where a child..how so?
[12:59] <Dsarith> One can prepare stock piles of survival needs, but at some point one has to move.
[12:59] <QueenVee> various sources -- edgar cacye, a psychic i studied with, my own dreams....
[12:59] <Dsarith> Set up a community for survival and protection
[13:00] <QueenVee> yes, if you're in an unsafe place
[13:01] <Dsarith> Would it not be the case that alone, one is at a greater disadvantage. Chaos will be rampant..Yes?
[13:02] <QueenVee> well, you don't necessarily have to have a community all set up beforehand, you can join with others cooperatively in the aftertime
[13:03] <RNTHOMAS> QV: your community if it's above ground will be destroyed...
[13:03] <Jurian> mostly, yes, I agree
[13:03] <Rumple> what about all the people who survive survive who wont be being co-operative?. and will be surviving by the rule of the gun?
[13:04] <RNTHOMAS> It all needs to be buried in waterproof, padded packaging
[13:04] <Jurian> if planet X becomes clearly visible, we'll dig out a survival area
[13:04] <QueenVee> RN: what are you talking about? my community?
[13:04] <Jurian> can't dig till april anyway, ground is frozen
[13:04] <RNTHOMAS> QV: I kinds screwed up directing it at you ... Sorry...
[13:05] <Dsarith> QV, you agree with the May timeframe as well?
[13:05] <QueenVee> Rumple: ZT indicates that those who are able to cooperate will survive over the STS types in the long run
[13:06] <QueenVee> Dsarith: why would i disagree with it?
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[13:06] <MaxS> oops
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[13:06] <loitus> lol
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[13:06] <Dsarith> Does everyone here believe in the May 2003 Timeframe and have already prepared?
[13:07] <Rumple> No
[13:07] <QueenVee> Dsarith: you haven't answered my question: why would we believe in a different timeframe?
[13:07] <Rumple> I'm undecided and havent prepared
[13:07] <Dsarith> Oh, I am sorry QV
[13:07] <RNTHOMAS> Still not sure..
[13:08] <Dsarith> Well, the point is I dont know what to believe
[13:08] <RNTHOMAS> The eath changes suggest yes, the images suggest no...  So I'll be keeping my eyes open...
[13:08] <QueenVee> well, everyone has to study the available evidence and decide for themselves
[13:08] <Dsarith> I have a very logical side that says this isn't possible, but then I have this other side that says it might be. I do believe that there is a possibility of another planet out there.
[13:09] <QueenVee> we're not here to convince anyone of anything, just to discuss preparation
[13:09] <Dsarith> I also understand and accept that if a planet crosses are planet then the poles can shift... This is science.
[13:09] <RNTHOMAS> For my, my Logical Side says yes there is a Planet X, and Polshifts, it's not a matter of if, it's more when?
[13:09] <Rumple> I agree, I'm open minded, but I cant justify changing my life until I have solid evidence
[13:10] <QueenVee> Rumple: then don't
[13:10] <RNTHOMAS> Rumple: I plan on doing 'some' changes, such as getting stuff ready...
[13:10] <QueenVee> come back when you're more convinced
[13:10] <Dsarith> I am not sure you can have solid evidence
[13:10] <RNTHOMAS> When the time comes, logic dictates that there won't be any time to get ready.
[13:10] <Dsarith> cuz by the time you do, it will be way to late to prepare
[13:11] <Dsarith> You have to decide and then prepare or not
[13:11] <Dsarith> At least that is the way I feel about it
[13:11] <Rumple> But I'm interested in what people are doing, sort og gives me a head start should it prove true
[13:11] <RNTHOMAS> Rumple: that's what this IRC discussion area is about... We are coming back to topic now...
[13:11] <Rumple> ok :o)
[13:11] <QueenVee> Rumple: well, you're welcome to come here to discuss preparation, but please bear in mind it's not a channel to debate whether it's going to happen or not, whether one should prepare or not, etc
[13:12] <Rumple> sorry
[13:12] <Dsarith> QV: How does the Sumarian fit into this
[13:12] <QueenVee> the sumarian?
[13:12] <QueenVee> any particular sumarian?
[13:12] <Dsarith> Which brings a huge amount of mystery that science has no way of understanding how they knew about this planet
[13:13] <Dsarith> Sumarian Tablets that show this planet is what I am referring to
[13:13] <Dsarith> Like I said I have been doing a lot of reading :-)
[13:13] <QueenVee> well, it sounds as though you already know how they fit in
[13:14] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith:- Does it matter?  They did, the bible does, the geologic evidence does, the tree rings do..
[13:14] <Dsarith> No, but it is part of the puzzle
[13:14] <QueenVee> the www.zetatalk.com site is chock full of information. it has a search engine on the following page, which is very useful: http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[13:15] <Dsarith> I have been through it many times and several others and now I have your site to go through, which I thank you very much.
[13:15] <Rumple> queenvee... is there another message board that has a more general discussion of this topic?
[13:16] <RNTHOMAS> #toubled_times
[13:16] <Rumple> ty
[13:16] <QueenVee> well, RN is pulling your leg a bit there
[13:16] <Rumple> how so
[13:16] <QueenVee> people don't discuss PX generally in tt....
[13:16] <RNTHOMAS> QV: I am?
[13:17] <QueenVee> it's dominated by debunkers intent on telling people why they shouldn't believe in it
[13:17] <RNTHOMAS> Oh ok, then I stand corrected... What's TT for..
[13:17] <QueenVee> i don't think you'll find a discussion group that features any kind of balanced discussion on the subject
[13:17] <Rumple> its ok I like heated dicussions
[13:17] <Rumple> lol
[13:18] <QueenVee> but feel free to hang out in #troubled_times if you want
[13:18] <QueenVee> you won't get heated discussions there
[13:18] <Rumple> i'll check it out anyway, and I'll call back hear, it looks intersting... ty
[13:18] <QueenVee> as ZT points out, people are becoming increasingly polarized on this issue.....
[13:18] <QueenVee> there isn't any middle ground really
[13:19] <inside-revolution> :)
[13:19] <Rumple> i'm middle ground
[13:19] <inside-revolution> it is teached by the spiritual school too
[13:19] <inside-revolution> people will decide
[13:19] <inside-revolution> everybody
[13:19] <Rumple> well we should be able to see it soon, so the debate will be over one way or anothe :o)
[13:19] <RNTHOMAS> inside: you mean everyone will decide it does exist...
[13:20] <QueenVee> Rumple: those in denial will be debating it until the 11th hour
[13:21] <Rumple> yeah, but surely if the images taken recentlyby zetatalk are replicated by someone else the debate will be over
[13:21] <Dsarith> ZT discusses that a "STO" orientation will be what helps people to survive. I see STO as being essential in the community, but initally, globally, the world will be in chaos and STO would be difficult to outsiders. Yes?
[13:22] <Rumple> yup, thats what i was implying b4
[13:22] <Rumple> rule of the gun
[13:22] <QueenVee> Rumple: people will be telling you it's something else until the 11th hour
[13:22] <QueenVee> to oursiders?
[13:22] <QueenVee> outsiders?
[13:22] <QueenVee> who would be the outsiders?
[13:22] <Rumple> yeah, but i aint stupid, i dont belive everything i'm told
[13:22] <Dsarith> Outside your own community
[13:22] <QueenVee> rumple: most are
[13:23] <QueenVee> STO will be difficult to those who are not STO
[13:23] <Rumple> i know..lol
[13:23] <QueenVee> it has nothing to do with "outsiders"
[13:23] <Rumple> how do you plan on protecting urself from those who chose violence to survive queenvee?
[13:23] <Dsarith> Its easy to be STO, but being STO in a choatic world would be dangerous at best
[13:24] <QueenVee> that's like saying it's easy to be faithful to your wife when there are no other women around
[13:24] <QueenVee> the test of whether you are STO is difficult circumstances
[13:25] <Dsarith> Let me give a scenerio and help me understand where the line is...
[13:25] <QueenVee> an STS orientation will be an advantage in the short-term, and an STO orientation will be an advantage in the long-term
[13:25] <Dsarith> I agree
[13:25] <QueenVee> Dsarith: why don't you give ME a scenario?
[13:25] <Dsarith> Ok
[13:26] <Dsarith> Ok you have a community that is STO. The community survives and is strong because of this...
[13:27] <Dsarith> There will be people on all sides of the community wanting to get what that community has (STS)
[13:27] <Dsarith> What is the community to do
[13:27] <Dsarith> Give all or protect their own?
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[13:28] <QueenVee> sorry, i was called away, just got back
[13:28] <Dsarith> No problem :-)
[13:28] <QueenVee> answer: you do what is best for the whole
[13:29] <QueenVee> would it be best for the whole to get everything to STS types who will not share what they have
[13:29] <Dsarith> In this scenerio the whole is on both sides.
[13:29] <QueenVee> yes, and it is not best for the STS to give them everything
[13:29] <QueenVee> they will squander it and have nothing left
[13:29] <QueenVee> you give them the option to join the community and work cooperatively
[13:30] <Dsarith> The STS will more than likely try force and the community must be able to defend itself.
[13:30] <QueenVee> that is what is best for them in the long term
[13:30] <Dsarith> True
[13:30] <QueenVee> Dsarith: yes, there's nothing wrong with self-defence in the interest of protecting the whole
[13:30] <Dsarith> STS will not see the long term initially
[13:30] <QueenVee> no, they won't
[13:31] <Dsarith> Therefore, in a prepared community, it must be fortified with the ability to defend itself
[13:31] <QueenVee> it's not the act itself that is STO or STS -- it is the purpose and intention behind the act
[13:31] <Dsarith> Guns etc
[13:32] <Dsarith> Understood
[13:32] <Dsarith> But it is also the point of view that is considered STO or STS
[13:33] <QueenVee> in the end only actions are important
[13:33] <Dsarith> To the community one is STO to the outside one is considered STS
[13:33] <QueenVee> by their fruits ye shall know them
[13:33] <QueenVee> Dsarith: remind me again who "the outside" is
[13:34] <Dsarith> I would devine that outside is all who decide not to be a part of the community and remain a STS
[13:34] <QueenVee> STS always think anyone who is not serving their interests are selfish
[13:34] <Dsarith> define
[13:34] <Dsarith> sorry
[13:34] <QueenVee> who cares?
[13:35] <QueenVee> what does it have to do with anything?
[13:35] <QueenVee> as ZT has pointed out very clearly, a truly STO person has no trouble perceiving a person's orientation
[13:35] <Dsarith> Yes, but the hardest thing I would say for communities will be dealing with this very issue. How do you turn away those who are need.
[13:35] <QueenVee> who says anyone will be turned away?
[13:36] <QueenVee> STO communities will accept anyone willing to contribute and cooperate
[13:37] <Dsarith> I understand you point
[13:37] <Dsarith> I there will be few of these communities and more of the STS at first
[13:37] <QueenVee> STS are incapable of sustaining communities
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[13:38] <QueenVee> according to ZT they will eventually turn on each other
[13:38] <Dsarith> I agree with that
[13:38] <QueenVee> hello Boy
[13:38] <BoY> hell-o
[13:38] <Dsarith> I do think this is very true
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[13:40] <inside-revolution> szia boy! :)
[13:40] <Dsarith> Basically, a community must prepare for defense measures. Unfortunately, communities are not preparing today, other than probably minimumly
[13:41] <BoY> aloha
[13:41] <QueenVee> why do you say they're not preparing?
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[13:42] <QueenVee> hello azet
[13:42] <Dsarith> You are right, all I can say is what I have been reading.
[13:42] <azet> hello
[13:42] <QueenVee> and what have you been reading to make you assume that communities are not preparing defense measures?
[13:42] <inside-revolution> szia azet! :)
[13:43] <Dsarith> I guess its the lack of data, which why would you post it if you were preparing
[13:43] <QueenVee> Azet: i've not seen you here before -- what brings you to this room?
[13:43] <inside-revolution> today I was in a bookstore
[13:43] <QueenVee> Dsarith: you're not making sense
[13:43] <inside-revolution> ask the book planet-x
[13:43] <QueenVee> lack of what data?
[13:43] <inside-revolution> they asked: Do You seacrh for sci-fi?
[13:43] <azet> intresting this...channel
[13:44] <inside-revolution> I saed no sci-fi
[13:44] <QueenVee> inside: hah, that's funny
[13:44] <inside-revolution> they reply they sold out that sci-fi yet
[13:44] <Dsarith> Sorry, In everything I have read, there seems to be no efforts to define the communities of tomorrow. The "The safe-Havens" for the after math
[13:44] <QueenVee> Dsarith: self defense is discussed a lot in this room as an element of preparation
[13:44] <Dsarith> Does that make sense?
[13:45] <QueenVee> Dsarith: you must be joking -- ZT does so, quite extensively
[13:45] <QueenVee> and what do you mean "define"?
[13:45] <QueenVee> and what do you mean by "Safe Havens"? Save havens for who?
[13:46] <Dsarith> What I think is needed, and it may be stupid to all, but I think a structured map stating that these areas will be designated as the communities.
[13:46] <QueenVee> Troubled Times has a whole section of self-defence and protection of communities; our site has a links section on the subject
[13:46] <QueenVee> Dsarith: designated by who?
[13:46] <QueenVee> ???
[13:47] <Dsarith> That is a good question. By who?
[13:47] <inside-revolution> in the last time was same level damage or less?
[13:47] <azet> That channel Troubled_Times..has bad operators
[13:47] <azet> that is
[13:47] <Dsarith> I would say individuals who have been preparing
[13:47] <QueenVee> azet: lol, yes, you are right
[13:47] <inside-revolution> in the last time was same level damage or less?
[13:48] <inside-revolution> by niburu
[13:48] <QueenVee> individuals who are preparing are made up of all kinds of people with all kinds of motivations
[13:48] <QueenVee> i doubt they would agree on who, what and where
[13:48] <inside-revolution> do you know queen?
[13:48] <inside-revolution> in the last time was same level damage or less?
[13:49] <inside-revolution> by niburu
[13:49] <QueenVee> the last time was not as bad as this time
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[13:49] <Dsarith> I see your point, but at some point communities will form and probably quickly
[13:49] <QueenVee> yes, ZT says that
[13:50] <Dsarith> Take all the people in this room right now
[13:50] <QueenVee> yes?
[13:51] <Dsarith> There are several people who have made the preparations and are ready to move into a community
[13:51] <QueenVee> yes?
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[13:51] <QueenVee> hi jubjub
[13:51] <jubjub963> hello
[13:51] <jubjub963> i need help
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[13:51] <jubjub963> i need a quick wave of positive energy my direction
[13:51] <QueenVee> don't we all
[13:52] <jubjub963> as i look up my course grades
[13:52] * QueenVee gives jubjub a big ((((((((((((((((((((((((((hug))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[13:52] <jubjub963> ty vvvvvvvvvv much
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[13:53] <QueenVee> Dsarith: you were saying?
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[13:56] <jubjub963> any word on the images?  from the newsgroup it doesn't look like the ones from dec 13th turned out that well?
[13:56] <jubjub963> haven't seen them
[13:56] <QueenVee> jubjub: they haven't been analyzed yet
[13:56] <jubjub963> oh
[13:56] <obany> jubju963: keep in mind that well a lot of those sci.astro folks are just well a bunch of wierdos
[13:57] <QueenVee> there's just FITS files at this point, no jpegs, hardly anyone has even looked at them, let alone anaylzed them
[13:57] <jubjub963> i knew that :)
[13:58] <obany> QueenVee: well Nancy has to put the info on, and the might be busy you know
[13:59] <QueenVee> hey, i'm not complaining!
[13:59] <obany> i know i know
[14:00] <jubjub963> they should be similar right , if taken on consecutive days
[14:02] <QueenVee> geez, nine people have been killed in the West Coast storms.....
[14:03] <jubjub963> ohhhhh ty soooo much for the energy vibe , just found out!  C- on this impossible class (if i had gotten a D+ i would have had to delay graduation by a semester)
[14:03] <jubjub963> i'm so happy
[14:04] <QueenVee> congrats jubjub!
[14:04] <jubjub963> that class was so awful , the teacher hated me
[14:04] <QueenVee> been there, jubjub
[14:04] <jubjub963> generally i do better in my other classes , heh
[14:04] <QueenVee> one day highschool will be as long ago for you and it is for me
[14:05] <QueenVee> and=as
[14:05] <jubjub963> and that day is today  (in college ) hehe, i shoulda said prof
[14:05] <QueenVee> oops, sorry
[14:06] <QueenVee> well, college is a long time ago for me as well
[14:06] <jubjub963> what did u major in back in the day
[14:08] <QueenVee> I have a Double Honours Bachelor Degree in English Literature and Latin Literature
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[14:10] <jubjub963> sounds difficult,   thx gin for the vibe, see ya'll saturday, errr actually dang, goin home for break, but i'll read logs :)
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[14:10] <Dsarith> Sorry QV: I had to deal with my engineers on a network outage.
[14:10] <QueenVee> np
[14:12] <yggdrasil> LIAR
[14:12] <yggdrasil> oh sorry
[14:13] <Dsarith> Are you tired of talking about communities? I will be happy to listen to everyone for awhile
[14:13] <QueenVee> no....
[14:14] <Dsarith> Ok :-). Everyone is welcome to tell me to shutup and I will :-)
[14:15] <QueenVee> they will....
[14:15] <QueenVee> not a shy bunch here
[14:15] <Dsarith> I am sure
[14:15] <Dsarith> Ok... as I was saying earlier.
[14:15] <yggdrasil> shutup
[14:15] <Dsarith> lol
[14:15] <yggdrasil> haha jk
[14:16] <QueenVee> hehe
[14:16] <QueenVee> tex: this seems like something you might know. is there a site on the internet where you can just input the name of a place and it will show you where it is on a map?
[14:16] <Dsarith> Everyone in this room have been preparing, probably several even have ideas of getting together and forming a community.
[14:17] <yggdrasil> i dont wanta community
[14:17] <yggdrasil> ill depend on myself  i think
[14:17] <yggdrasil> and a pretty woman
[14:17] <Dsarith> Can individuals survive very long?
[14:17] <Dsarith> In a choatic world?
[14:18] <yggdrasil> i think better
[14:18] <yggdrasil> there will be disention in groups
[14:18] <Dsarith> Let me hear your thoughts
[14:18] <obany> all alone??? mmmmm ... it's better with some more people i think
[14:18] <obany> all alone is kinda
[14:18] <QueenVee> Dsarith: sure, it will be possible... just not ideal
[14:18] <yggdrasil> i dont trust anyone
[14:18] <yggdrasil> and i dont expect anyone to trust on me
[14:18] <yggdrasil> depend on me im prett y much a failure
[14:19] <QueenVee> continue with yourr thought, Dsarith
[14:20] <Dsarith> So there will be three groups of people. Those who are community oriented, the gangs, the individual. Communities are defined as both STS(ie Gov) and STO
[14:20] <Dsarith> Individuals
[14:20] <Dsarith> Sorry is the third group
[14:20] <QueenVee> correction: there's a third category: UNDECIDED
[14:20] <QueenVee> they are the majority
[14:20] <yggdrasil> i dont see anyone from new mexico anywa
[14:21] <Dsarith> So you thing the undecided will be the individuals?
[14:21] <Dsarith> think
[14:21] <QueenVee> no
[14:22] <QueenVee> communities will be made up of UNDECIDEDS as well
[14:22] <Dsarith> Oh got you
[14:23] <Dsarith> Most people though will be in a community... Yes
[14:23] <QueenVee> yes
[14:24] <QueenVee> if only their own families
[14:24] <yggdrasil> im at a bad point in my life
[14:24] <yggdrasil> because my exgirlfriend means so much to me i still
[14:24] <yggdrasil> havnet gotten my own life i guesse
[14:24] <Dsarith> So basically families will combine to form larger communities and will combine based on orientation or lack of
[14:24] <yggdrasil> im prob an exception
[14:25] <QueenVee> they might
[14:25] <Dsarith> I sorry yggdrasil
[14:25] <yggdrasil> yea well
[14:25] <yggdrasil> i guesse i should save my paretns and some family
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[14:26] <QueenVee> yggdrasil: we're talking about comunities right now
[14:26] <QueenVee> Hello Jed
[14:26] <jed> hi QV
[14:26] <yggdrasil> i see disention
[14:27] <yggdrasil> not in here but
[14:27] <jed> i don't see enough discussion to warrant dissention
[14:27] <yggdrasil> in communities
[14:27] <QueenVee> Dsarith: continue....
[14:27] <QueenVee> i'll have to take my dog out soon
[14:28] <Dsarith> I can see where people can wander into communities and want to be a part of them
[14:28] <QueenVee> yes, and....
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[14:28] <Dsarith> I can also see where the Government would not be the trusted entity
[14:28] <Dsarith> As if they are now
[14:29] <jed> is this in terms of after the shift, communities then?
[14:29] <Dsarith> Yes
[14:29] <QueenVee> yes, and....
[14:29] <tied2> poleshift news is updated :-)
[14:29] <jed> with a predicted survival rate of 1 in 10, i would think at least able bodied adults would be welcomed
[14:30] <Dsarith> So I guess my point is in effort to defend your community you and have not prepared then you are in a bad situation.
[14:30] <Dsarith> If the gangs are stronger around you
[14:30] <QueenVee> Dsarith: why do you assume someone wanting to join your community would be a bad thing?
[14:31] <Dsarith> I dont think that at all. I am concerned in the lack of preparation
[14:31] <QueenVee> again, why do you think there will be a lack of preparation in that area?
[14:31] <jed> there is a saying that the fight you avoid is the fight that won't take you out.  in other words, it might be well for survivors to keep a very low profile for quite some time after the shift
[14:31] <Dsarith> I think anyone who is willing to join and be a part of a community should be accepted into the community
[14:32] <QueenVee> Dsarith: even if that person would be detrimental to the community as a whole?
[14:32] <QueenVee> jed: you are very correct
[14:32] <QueenVee> there are many ways to deal with the bad element, other than "guns"....
[14:32] <Dsarith> No, I think any member that is not a true member should not remain
[14:32] <QueenVee> a lot of it just haivng to do with basic common sense
[14:33] <QueenVee> Dsarith: yeah, well, who's arguing with you on that point?
[14:33] <Dsarith> I am concerned with those that just want to take what you have
[14:33] <jed> i am wondering if the real dictatorial problems mentioned in prophecies of the end times won't just really start until after the shift, sort of like the scenario in "The Postman" were there are warlords everywhere
[14:33] <QueenVee> Dsarith: sorry, but you've lost me on what point you've been trying to get to.... and i have to take my dog out now....
[14:33] <Dsarith> Again I look at my lack of preparation and have to believe others will be in the same situation later
[14:34] <Dsarith> Ok QV: Thank you for listening
[14:34] <QueenVee> well, you can indulge in Mad Max fantasies about the aftertime, or you can just make sensible preparations for thekind of community life you want....
[14:34] <QueenVee> gotta go
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[14:35] <jed> so is that the point of this forum?  to initiate survival communities?
[14:35] <Dsarith> Nah, I was trying to get a grasp on what to expect and how one actually prepares
[14:35] <monk> jed: not exactly
[14:36] <Queen-away> no, jed, that's not the point -- it's to discuss preparation
[14:36] <monk> to share ideas
[14:36] <Dsarith> QV has been very nice to answer my questions
[14:36] <Dsarith> Has everyone prepared for this?
[14:36] <jed> ok. i personally am not interested in expanding those who i am responsible for at this point, beyond family, close friends and relatives all who've i've known for years.
[14:37] <Dsarith> So you see it as very small tight groups
[14:37] <tied2> thats the way I see it
[14:37] <jed> since y2k fizzled, i have continued prepping, mostly in view of the enlarged Israeli/ palestinian conflict, but more so now towards the possibility of a PS
[14:38] <Dsarith> Then you are way ahead...
[14:38] <jed> yes small groups of closely knit friends/family where trust is not an issue
[14:39] <tied2> trust will always be a issue in my book
[14:39] <Dsarith> I live in Texas, where is the less dangerous place to be?
[14:39] <jed> even Steve Gaskins "The Farm" down in Tennessee had a gatekeeper that you had to talk your way past  in order to visit
[14:40] <jed> whereever there is few people, forest for cover, abundance of water
[14:40] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx058.htm about Texas also see http://www.zetatalk.com/safelocs.htm
[14:41] <Dsarith> Yes, I have been there and feel isolated. I guess I was looking for go here when the time is right :-)
[14:41] <jed> and yet, tho the folks in "the Farm" had a gatekeeper, they were very much STO oriented.
[14:42] <Dsarith> You know its funny. I sit here reading all I can as so much of me wants to think that its not real, but there is this part of me that screams you better be preparing.
[14:42] <jed> which is why a tight community of whatever size can be possible, because the more diversified the skills and knowledge there is, the more types of endeavors and challenges the group can handle
[14:43] <Dsarith> I agree with that concept 100%
[14:43] <jed> traditionally, the intentional communities that have survived have almost always been centered around a concept of a shared understanding of religion/spirituality
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[14:44] <Lightspeed> Hi!
[14:44] <Dsarith> Lets see, I am a Cisco Network Engineer... hmmmph I will need a place to plug into the internet... lol
[14:44] <jed> if the shared concept is merely of survival without the unifying underlying shared belief system, it could easily break down because for many survival is all about "the survival of *them*"
[14:45] <Dsarith> True and well said jed
[14:45] <Dsarith> Hi Lightspeed
[14:46] <Lightspeed> I would like to ask some help, please.
[14:46] <Dsarith> Jed is the vetran here :-)
[14:46] <Lightspeed> I am translating the part4 of the surviving book into Hungarian.
[14:46] <jed> hungarian not my specialty
[14:47] <jed> what is the surviving book?
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[14:47] <Lightspeed> On page 91, there is an expression, what I can't find in any dictionary.
[14:47] <Lightspeed> Ohh. Surviving booklet.
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[14:47] <jed> what is the expression. maybe you just need a synonym for the concept?
[14:48] <Lightspeed> If You could explain in english, that would be a lot of hel.
[14:48] <cmell> hi
[14:48] <jed> hi cmell
[14:48] <cmell> what are you discussing ?
[14:49] <jed> communities? hungarian survival book?
[14:49] <Lightspeed> the expression is: Gulf Coast filter, and it can be some kind of oil filtering device.
[14:49] <jed> for an engine ?
[14:49] <Lightspeed> The surviving booklet from the tt hub.
[14:49] <Lightspeed> Yes. Steam engine.
[14:49] <cmell> hhmm any links, I'm in the dark here ;(
[14:49] <jed> ok thanks.  i hadn't run across it yet
[14:50] <jed> i remember that Gary North had pushed some kind of oil filter that almost never needed replacing.
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[14:50] <Lightspeed> So, what kinda filter is this?
[14:50] <obany> hi cmell
[14:50] <jed> never heard of a gulfcoast filter.  
[14:50] <cmell> hi obany
[14:50] <Lightspeed> Hi, obany!
[14:51] <jed> i was reading about steam engines vs. investing in solar or wind the other night.
[14:51] <cmell> and ?
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[14:52] <cmell> hi WG
[14:52] <jed> the ready-to-run Little Donkey steam system would cost about $3500 and would produce about the same amount of electricity running 6 hrs a day as 3.5 kw $2400 wind system or a2500 solar system
[14:52] <WG> hi all!
[14:53] <jed> hi wg
[14:53] <cmell> yes jed, have you heard of the stirling engine  ?
[14:53] <jed> but it could also theoretically operate 24 hours a day and produce four times as much electricity and when its putting out 478 watts at 120 psi it's also producing 35,000 BTUs of heat.  
[14:54] <cmell> I don't remember seing you here WG :)
[14:54] <Lightspeed> Hi, WG!
[14:54] <jed> but the fuel isn't free, and the labor must be supplied to gather (wood, straw, whatever)
[14:54] <WG> this is my 2nd chat session. I joined yesterday
[14:55] <cmell> oh ok nice
[14:55] <jed> yes but nobody has managed to make it a profitable workhorse item that i know of
[14:55] <cmell> what are your thoughts on the poleshift ?
[14:55] <jed> cmell: anyone in particular you are addressing?
[14:55] <cmell> yes QG
[14:55] <cmell> sorry
[14:55] <cmell> WG
[14:56] <WG> I have a deep interest in prophecies in general, have spent years researching the matter. Where poleshift is concerned, the subject is fascinating.
[14:56] <cmell> yes it is
[14:57] <WG> I found Zetatalk 4 years ago, and have been reading all the stuff sinced then. But I have to say that I take everything with a grain of salt.
[14:57] <cmell> have you considered the date ?
[14:57] <Lightspeed> What is important, is not th date.
[14:57] <cmell> this is a channel for believers WG !
[14:57] <Lightspeed> The important is Your Soul
[14:58] <Lightspeed> It will change.
[14:58] <cmell> yes but we prefer believers in here !
[14:58] <WG> My bones tell me that something BIG will hapen someday, but 2003 doesn' t sound appealing. But I may be wrong - and this is why I am here!
[14:58] <cmell> ok WG
[14:59] <Lightspeed> We all want to think, that a such kinda cataclism is not upon us for long.
[14:59] <Lightspeed> But the fact seems other.
[14:59] <jed> as a christian, i believe scripture warns us that the "end" will come suddenly and without warning, like a "thief in the night"
[14:59] <cmell> I think you should be carefull if you want to stay !
[14:59] <cmell> in here that is
[14:59] <Lightspeed> Yes, Jed!
[15:00] <jed> cmell: what do you mean be careful?
[15:00] <cmell> I agree with you guys
[15:00] <WG> when we are told that only 10% of the current humankind will survive the shift, keeping alive doesn' matter much, really the soul is important.
[15:00] <Lightspeed> But it seems, that Nacy and the Z's are quite accurate.
[15:00] <cmell> well it was directed towards WG, and meant don't say or you will be kicked :)
[15:01] <jed> WG: even though you are exactly right re: the soul, still it is instinctive to want to survive and to avoid pain
[15:01] <WG> ... but I will manage to stay on top of this planet ... :))
[15:01] <cmell> yes .)
[15:01] <cmell> stay that way
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[15:02] <Dsarith> Well, thank you all for listening, but now its time for me to go and read somemore on Planet X
[15:02] <jed> so regarding communities, has anyone here tried to interest friends/ family in to preparing for the shift?
[15:02] <cmell> hello hello
[15:02] <WG> I am not rushing to stockpile things and the like, but I am keeping a close eye on the events - if the signals become to match the pattern, then I will act.
[15:02] <cmell> just like me WG
[15:03] <cmell> :)
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[15:03] <HelloIamLeslie> Sziasztok Hello
[15:03] <cmell> what brought you here hello ?
[15:03] <jed> all the old timers around here always grew enough in their gardens to get thru the winter.  that was just normal operating procedure.  
[15:03] <Lightspeed> Hleeo/ szia Leslie!
[15:05] <jed> ok gotta run.  God speed to you all
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[15:05] <Lightspeed> Ok, folks, Tex sent me some URL on my Q, Thnk You.
[15:06] <HelloIamLeslie> szia Lightspeed hányan vagyunk Magyarok?
[15:06] <cmell> I thought tex was away ?
[15:06] <Lightspeed> Yes, cmel
[15:06] <cmell> :)
[15:06] * tex-away in spirit
[15:06] <cmell> oh ok tex :)
[15:06] * tex-away is now known as from_Texas
[15:07] <Lightspeed> Leslie, Please don't speak in hungarian this time, only we 2 are hungarians here.
[15:07] <HelloIamLeslie> Ok
[15:07] <cmell> speak hungarian in private ! = ?
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[15:07] <cmell> :)
[15:07] <cmell> hi QV
[15:08] <QueenVee> hello, hello
[15:08] <Lightspeed> Hi, Queen!
[15:08] <obany> hi Queen
[15:08] <QueenVee> i'm just sitting down with a lovely plate of rissotto...
[15:08] <cmell> I envy you QV :(
[15:08] <Lightspeed> Queen, have got my mail?
[15:08] <WG> I have to leave now, I will join later ...
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[15:09] <obany> http://www.troubled-times.com/awakening/ updated see tt-watch
[15:11] <from_Texas> good articles
[15:11] <Lightspeed> I would surprised if there would be a day without any catastrophe. :((
[15:11] <cmell> obany is it your website ?
[15:11] <cmell> heh lightspeed :(
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[15:12] <cmell> hey monk
[15:12] <from_Texas> hey monk
[15:12] <monk> hi
[15:12] <from_Texas> how is your weather today
[15:12] <monk> its sunny right now
[15:12] <monk> but it was coming down good a little bit ago
[15:14] <from_Texas> the winds have died down some
[15:16] <QueenVee> hmmmm, some strong quakes today:
[15:16] <cmell> just a sec brb
[15:17] <QueenVee> 6.5 quake in the South Sandwich Islands region and a 5.9 quake in Indonesia
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[15:19] <from_Texas> hello gray
[15:19] <QueenVee> hi gray
[15:19] <cmell> when was that QV ?
[15:20] <cmell> I'm trying to establish the credibility of : http://www.iris.edu/seismon/
[15:20] <QueenVee> today, you want times?
[15:20] <QueenVee> cmell: lol, good luck
[15:20] <from_Texas> http://www.emsc-csem.org/cgi-bin/ALERT_all_messages.sh
[15:21] <cmell> because it shows nothing the last 24 hours
[15:21] <QueenVee> cmell: here's the report site i'm using: http://www.emsc-csem.org/cgi-bin/ALERT_all_messages.sh
[15:21] <cmell> thx QV
[15:22] <cmell> It's been proven to be "not trustworthy"
[15:22] <QueenVee> no kidding
[15:23] <QueenVee> it *was* accurate up until a few months ago
[15:23] <cmell> but then :(
[15:26] <cmell> QV it was nice, because it was visual
[15:27] <QueenVee> yeah, i know
[15:27] <QueenVee> i'm also disappointed
[15:27] <cmell> lets bury that site :)
[15:27] <QueenVee> we'll have to make our own....
[15:27] <QueenVee> hehe
[15:27] <cmell> hehe
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[15:28] <QueenVee> i have to move my computer to another room, so i got to reboot
[15:28] <QueenVee> be right back
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[15:28] <cmell> oh no not again :)
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[15:29] <cmell> hey Zoo
[15:29] <ZooSpecimen> hi
[15:30] <cmell> so whats up Zoo
[15:30] <cmell> ?
[15:30] <ZooSpecimen> not much
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[15:30] <Lightspeed> Hi Zoo
[15:30] <cmell> not much here either , at least right now :(
[15:30] <cmell> wb WG
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[15:30] <ZooSpecimen> still sitting on the fence as per the zeta's
[15:31] <cmell> heh
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[15:31] <ZooSpecimen> very interesting
[15:31] <cmell> you have prob.s WG ?
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[15:31] <cmell> I guess so :)
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[15:32] <WG> hi all
[15:32] <cmell> hehehe
[15:32] <cmell> hi
[15:32] <cmell> you have prob.s WG ?
[15:32] <WG> something went wrong, but seems okay now ...
[15:32] <cmell> good
[15:33] <WG> did I miss anything good??
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[15:33] <cmell> nah :(
[15:33] <cmell> Zoo where are you from ?
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[15:34] <ZooSpecimen> been looking at the opposition to zeta talk lately...
[15:34] <cmell> wb QV
[15:34] <QueenVee> hello zoo
[15:34] <WG> this is normal with chats
[15:34] <QueenVee> hello WG
[15:34] <ZooSpecimen> they seem kinda extreem for simple debunkers
[15:34] <WG> hi QV
[15:34] <QueenVee> WG: i've not seen you here before -- what part of the world are you in?
[15:34] <ZooSpecimen> hi Q
[15:35] <WG> I am from Brazil (5 times World Soccer Cup Champion ... :) )
[15:35] <QueenVee> ah, i see -- are you a friend of Alex?
[15:35] <cmell> I like the Brazil way of playing soccer WG :)
[15:36] <WG> Alex? No ...
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[15:36] <QueenVee> hey Michaellss
[15:36] <Michaellss> hey there
[15:36] <QueenVee> WG: so how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[15:36] <cmell> hey Michaellss
[15:36] <WG> the problem is: we don' play that way all the time ...
[15:36] <Michaellss> got my dsl(640k)back woohoo
[15:36] <QueenVee> Zoo: re your comment about the debunkers -- quite emotional, aren't they?
[15:37] <cmell> but it's beautiful WG :)
[15:37] <WG> I found zetatalk 4 years ago, but the subject wasn' new to me, I've spent some 25 years researching prophecies.
[15:37] <QueenVee> WG: are you preparing for the May2003 poleshift?
[15:37] <ZooSpecimen> the bought zetatalk.org amd .net??!!
[15:38] <obany> sapphire
[15:38] <ZooSpecimen> they are really going out of thier way!!!
[15:38] <WG> no, I am not taking any precautions right now, but if things become to change as expect, I gonna move quickly!
[15:38] <QueenVee> Zoo: it's very strange
[15:38] <QueenVee> WG: where will you move to?
[15:38] <ZooSpecimen> for simple debunkers
[15:39] <cmell> WG are you in Brazil ?
[15:39] <WG> Brazil is quite a huge country (bigger than US continental) so we have plenty of choices here.
[15:39] <QueenVee> good
[15:39] <cmell> move inland WG
[15:39] <cmell> and up
[15:39] <cmell> :(
[15:40] <cmell> all the way to the andes mountains
[15:40] <WG> Yes, inland, but not too high. We don' have high mountains here - which is good, this means we don' t have seismic activity either
[15:40] <QueenVee> WG: if you would like to be on our mailing list about new stuff on our website, zetatalk sessions in here, etc, just give me your email address on a private channel
[15:40] <WG> I don' consider the Andes a good option, the place is very unstable seismically
[15:40] <cmell> I guess WG :(
[15:41] <WG> I am part already to the tt mailing list - is it the same?
[15:41] <QueenVee> WG: nope
[15:41] <QueenVee> thanks michaellss
[15:42] <Michaellss> :)
[15:42] <cmell> heh
[15:42] <WG> I would move to central Brazil. There are some hills, there enough to block most of the hurricanes, thousands of miles away from the shore, and very seismically stable.
[15:42] <obany> WG: zetatalk also says that Brazil will be the new Nortpole, did you read about Brazil yet? http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx059.htm
[15:43] <cmell> I hope the best for your plan WG !!
[15:43] <Michaellss> links still ok right QV?
[15:43] <ZooSpecimen> india the south pole?
[15:43] <Michaellss> new one from....interesting
[15:43] <Michaellss> on PX
[15:43] <cmell> something like that Zoo :(
[15:43] <Michaellss> http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/
[15:43] <QueenVee> Michaells: i don't understand your question...
[15:44] <Michaellss> just wanted too paste a link...:)
[15:44] <WG> yes, I am aware of that, but one problem at a time, please! :) Mind you, some other seers say things differently about Brazil, and some future maps point the North Pole away from Brazil.
[15:44] <WG> And even if we become the new North Pole, well, the skimos managed to survive, so we will (I hope) ...
[15:45] <cmell> I hope for you, that the pole will be elsewhere
[15:45] <QueenVee> links r us!
[15:45] <Michaellss> hehe
[15:45] <cmell> heh
[15:45] <WG> where are you from, folks?
[15:46] <ZooSpecimen> <----- Canada
[15:46] <cmell> me ... hhmmm ------> denmark
[15:46] <QueenVee> Michaells: on that page, i don't understand what the following sentence is referring to: "This man was killed on his way to a remote area to observe Planet x"
[15:46] <Michaellss> ------> Colorado
[15:46] <Michaellss> mile high
[15:46] <Michaellss> woohoo
[15:46] <QueenVee> Ontario Canada
[15:46] <obany> Netherlands
[15:46] <Lightspeed> Hungary
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[15:46] <cmell> barely above sealevel :(
[15:47] <Michaellss> :/
[15:47] <obany> below sealevel here kinda :/
[15:47] <WG> well, so you guys can teach us Brazilians a lot about cold climates. We are a tropical country ...
[15:47] <cmell> Yeah Obany, being in the netherlands sucks :)
[15:48] <obany> yup
[15:48] <obany> indeed
[15:48] <cmell> hehe WG
[15:48] <inside-revolution> szia!
[15:48] <Lightspeed> szia!
[15:48] <cmell> szia = what ?
[15:48] <WG> Right now we are approaching our summertime (your wintertime in the Northern hemisphere), and becoming very hot.
[15:48] <inside-revolution> találtam egy érdekes oldalt a zétákrol
[15:49] <Lightspeed> szia=hi!
[15:49] <Lightspeed> And you can say as see-ya
[15:49] <cmell> oh ok lightspeed :)
[15:49] <inside-revolution> http://www.extra.hu/earthguard/
[15:49] <cmell> szia WG
[15:49] <Lightspeed> inside, please don't speek in hungarian, this time!
[15:50] <inside-revolution> itt a zéták mást mondanak mint zetatalkon magukrol
[15:50] <WG> I  still have to learn Hungarian ...
[15:50] <Lightspeed> Szia is in hungarian.
[15:50] <QueenVee> Lightspeed: type the following and hit return, and tell Leslie and Inside to do the same: /join #hungarianpoleshift
[15:50] <cmell> heh
[15:50] <inside-revolution> about zeta history
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[15:50] <monk> queenvee: heres a intresting article http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30036
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[15:50] <inside-revolution> did you look the pdf files?
[15:51] <inside-revolution> http://www.extra.hu/earthguard/PDF-jegyz%F6k%F6nyvek/PA-970413a.pdf
[15:51] <Lightspeed> Queen, please tell me the channel again!
[15:51] <QueenVee> #hungarianpoleshift
[15:51] <cmell> haha
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[15:52] <inside-revolution> speedy wonder? :)
[15:52] <Lightspeed> Thanks, Queen, I will tell everybody this cannel on the tthungary list.
[15:52] <Lightspeed> :)
[15:52] <inside-revolution> did you look the file?
[15:53] <QueenVee> they are welcome here too, of course; just a separate place they can talk to each other as well
[15:53] <WG> Europe will likely be battered by the poleshift: the lowlands will be flooded by the slosh, and the mountains will be unsafe for the huge earthquakes.
[15:53] <cmell> Is it really there I thought it was a joke !!!??, sorry guys !
[15:53] <WG> so I ask you European guys, what do  you plan to survive the shift??
[15:53] <ZooSpecimen> is there any way of telling how big zetatalk is world wide?
[15:53] <cmell> I plan to go to sweden/norway
[15:54] <WG> Will the Scandinavia be okay??
[15:54] <Michaellss> bbl...
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[15:54] <inside-revolution> Hungary will be ok
[15:54] <cmell> scandinavia will be devastated, as any other place on earth :(
[15:54] <inside-revolution> there is a big plate-land
[15:54] <obany> Sweden for me ... will move to Sweden
[15:55] <cmell> maybe we meet obany
[15:55] <obany> cmell: who knows
[15:56] <cmell> but thats not important :)
[15:56] <WG> hmmm ... if we really have a poleshift, then we will no longer have the FIFA World Cup, therefore Brazil (or what will be left of it) will remain as the unbeatable champion!
[15:56] <WG> Not bad! ... :))
[15:56] <cmell> haha
[15:57] <Lightspeed> inside: most parts of Hungary, especially the Big Plain will be underwater
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[15:57] <cmell> WG we are not kidding here, are you ?
[15:57] <QueenVee> hi RN
[15:57] <QueenVee> WG: lol
[15:58] <WG> The Germans will be really pissed off, they will miss the chance for revenge in 2006 ...
[15:58] <WG> Yes, I am just kidding ...
[15:58] <cmell> heh
[15:58] <cmell> hey rnt
[15:59] <rnthomas> Anyone remember the name of the program that Jurian was using to analyis Steve's images?
[15:59] <WG> cmell, don' take this too seriously, if the pole really occurs, we are all done, that' it.
[15:59] <cmell> I saw it earlier
[15:59] <cmell> rnt
[16:00] <obany> iris
[16:00] <cmell> ok WG but don't make too much fun :)
[16:01] <obany> http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/us/iris/iris.htm
[16:01] <obany> but hey i go now
[16:01] * obany is kinda tired so :)
[16:01] <Lightspeed> By Obany
[16:01] <cmell> later obany :)
[16:01] <obany> bye
[16:01] <obany> bye cmell
[16:02] <rnthomas> Thanks ob..
[16:02] <WG> Have you guys told to your friends, relatives, etc about the poleshift thing? What have been their reaction (other than considering you nuts)?
[16:03] <cmell> I've tried to but with no luck :(
[16:03] <QueenVee> my mother is receptive
[16:03] <obany> bye
[16:03] <WG> Well, I guess mothers are always receptive ...
[16:03] <cmell> later obany
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[16:03] <ZooSpecimen> I know no one to tell
[16:04] <cmell> hhmmm I'm in the same shoes Zoo :(
[16:04] <Lightspeed> We are used to talk about the shift in our family
[16:04] <cmell> nice light :)
[16:04] <cmell> I whish I was there :)
[16:04] <Lightspeed> My father was who found the Zetatalk
[16:05] <ZooSpecimen> my friends don't go beyond sports, beer and women :(
[16:05] <WG> I only talk to 2 or 3 people that I know and trust
[16:05] <cmell> sounds like my friends too Zoo :(
[16:05] <ZooSpecimen> i try but don't get to far
[16:05] <ZooSpecimen> :)
[16:06] <Lightspeed> At first my mother was not fully accepting, but she says there too many earth changing. It must caused by something cosmis.
[16:06] <cmell> hhmmm lucky you light !
[16:06] <Lightspeed> And today she said: there are too many earthquake to be normal
[16:06] <ZooSpecimen> i've been thinking bout aliens since i was a child
[16:06] <cmell> me too
[16:06] <cmell> zoo
[16:07] <Lightspeed> But our problem is, we living in a town, and not having any survival site.
[16:07] <cmell> I don't know why though :(
[16:07] <WG> Yes, we do have a lot of earth changes occurring, but hard to link them to Nibiru - there are many 'acceptable, scientifically' explanations out there ...
[16:07] <ZooSpecimen> i think betty and barney hill got me started
[16:08] <QueenVee> Zoo: is there something about PX in the hill story?
[16:08] <cmell> I got started before I knew the word "UFO", but why I don't know ???
[16:08] <Lightspeed> WG: we had heard enough from scientist, that everithing is normal, even with the catastrophes
[16:08] <ZooSpecimen> been a while don't know
[16:09] <WG> yes, but you cannot argue with 'normal' people when there are so many 'normal' explanations ...
[16:09] <cmell> yes thats right WG
[16:10] <Lightspeed> By time they will open their eyes, too
[16:10] <Lightspeed> When climate changes and quakes will be much worse
[16:10] <cmell> it'll be too late :(
[16:10] <Lightspeed> Unfortunatelly, yes
[16:11] <WG> I only fear for my 20-month old boy, not for me.
[16:11] <cmell> "let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be whisper words of wisdom"
[16:12] <Lightspeed> I understand you, WG
[16:12] <cmell> yes I understand too WG
[16:12] <Lightspeed> I still worrying about some child we used to make summer camp for.
[16:12] <Lightspeed> They are ill
[16:13] <QueenVee> brb
[16:13] <Lightspeed> They have physical and/or mental disabilities
[16:13] * QueenVee is now known as Queen-away
[16:13] <WG> "Put your troubles in the old kitg pack and smile, smile, smile" - an old WWI song ...
[16:13] <cmell> hhmmm I don't know about you, but I feel so inadequate :(
[16:14] <ZooSpecimen> i don't have any dependants, but after PS i will find some real fast!
[16:14] <cmell> yes me too Zoo
[16:14] <ZooSpecimen> if i survive of course ;)
[16:15] <cmell> thats the prerequisite
[16:15] <cmell> I'm not sure its spelled correctly :(
[16:15] <inside-revolution> good night%
[16:15] <inside-revolution> good night!
[16:15] <inside-revolution> :)
[16:15] <cmell> night
[16:15] <Lightspeed> Night!
[16:15] <ZooSpecimen> g'nite
[16:15] <WG> I will make sure my little man will survive with me ...
[16:16] <cmell> I hope to meet you later WG :)
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[16:16] <WG> Thanks cmell (sounds like 'smell' and I am smelling pizzas right now ...)
[16:17] <cmell> heh
[16:17] <cmell> hear that a lot
[16:18] <WG> My neighbour runs a pizza delivery business and when they are cooking their stuff, the smell is very tempting ...
[16:18] <cmell> you have a son WG ?
[16:18] <cmell> ahh
[16:18] <cmell> you make me hungry
[16:18] <cmell> :)
[16:18] <WG> Yes, a 20-month old boy
[16:19] <cmell> good
[16:19] <gray> :-)
[16:19] <gray> heh?
[16:20] <cmell> :) gray ?
[16:20] <cmell> ?
[16:20] <Lightspeed> Folks, I have posted a message onto the hungarian troubled times mailing list, if they want to write in our language, please do it on the #hungarianpoleshift cannel, in order to not disturb the people who cannot understand us.
[16:20] <WG> My wife is Japanese descendant, so my boy is a pretty mix of Japanese, Italian and a bit of Portuguese and Spanish ...
[16:20] <Lightspeed> WG: He must be beautiful!
[16:21] <WG> Yes, we have been stopped by strangers in the streets, just to tell us how handsome he is ...
[16:21] <Lightspeed> :))
[16:21] <cmell> WG, you must be a proud father anyway :)
[16:21] <WG> Yes I am!!
[16:22] <cmell> I envy you :(
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[16:22] <cmell> hi P
[16:22] <WG> Don' envy me, just have your children!
[16:23] <PGill> hiya
[16:23] <cmell> Well the one woman I want, I can't have :(
[16:23] <Lightspeed> cmell: me too
[16:23] <ZooSpecimen> Queen-away how polluted will the Great Lakes be? My guess they will be un-fishable given all the industrial activity all around
[16:24] <ZooSpecimen> i tried to ask this on zt but i guess i was to general
[16:24] <cmell> I'm in pain, and I can never love another :(
[16:24] <WG> Mhy former English teacher is from Minnesota, and he told me that the climate seems to be changing, getting warmer
[16:25] <cmell> it seems that way WG
[16:26] <WG> He lives in Brazil (his wife is Brazilian) but his buddies there are astonished, the place - usually cold like no tomorrow - is much warmer than usual
[16:26] <cmell> hmm
[16:26] <cmell> so is a lot of other places :(
[16:27] <Lightspeed> Bye all, I must sleep. It's almost half past 1
[16:27] <WG> Here we are experiencing some weather changes, but nothing like to say it is out of usual
[16:27] <cmell> yes lightspeed , where are you from though ?
[16:27] <WG> Bye Light, and don' dream of pole shifts ...
[16:27] <Lightspeed> I am from Hungary
[16:27] <ZooSpecimen> nite
[16:27] <cmell> k
[16:27] <cmell> nite
[16:28] <cmell> it's my timezone
[16:28] <cmell> heh
[16:28] <Lightspeed> Bye
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[16:28] <WG> here is 23:26 but we are on daylight savings time
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[16:28] <WG> sorry, 22:26 I mean
[16:29] <cmell> [01:26:29] <WG> here is 23:26 but we are on daylight savings time
[16:29] <cmell> hey ron
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[16:29] <RON> HI
[16:29] <cmell> hey yggdrasil
[16:30] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[16:30] <QueenVee> hello RON
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[16:30] <RON> I CANT TYPE
[16:30] <QueenVee> please don't use caps, it's like shouting
[16:30] <cmell> hmmm seems you can ron :)
[16:31] <ZooSpecimen> i'm a two finger typest myself :)
[16:31] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room, ron?
[16:31] <gray> :-)
[16:32] <ZooSpecimen> QueenVee you see my question way uo there?
[16:32] <ZooSpecimen> up
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[16:32] <QueenVee> no, repeat it please
[16:32] <cmell> gray are you here to make fun ???
[16:32] <ZooSpecimen> Queen-away how polluted will the Great Lakes be? My guess they will be un-fishable given all the industrial activity all around
[16:32] <WG> Has someone here heard of Mother Shipton, the 16th Century British seer? When I read her prophecies, it is like reading how a pole shift might be.
[16:33] <ZooSpecimen> i tried to ask this on zt but i guess i was to general
[16:33] <QueenVee> Zoo: ZT has indicated that the Lakes will be renewed after the shift, full of fish
[16:33] <cmell> restate you Q Zoo
[16:33] <ZooSpecimen> maybe this could be a future q
[16:33] <cmell> ok didn't se that QV
[16:34] <QueenVee> WG: yes, many people have noted that the Shipton prophecies fit the scenario
[16:34] <ZooSpecimen> will the fish be edible in the great lakes?
[16:34] <WG> fits too well, to say the least
[16:34] <QueenVee> Zoo: apparently so
[16:35] <ZooSpecimen> steveh asked a simular q last week
[16:36] <QueenVee> similar to which question?
[16:36] <ZooSpecimen> zeta's warned to stay away from indutrial sites
[16:36] * Ralf is now known as S00P3RH4X0R
[16:36] * gray was kicked by cmell (gray)
[16:36] <ZooSpecimen> but the great lakes r full of indutrial sites
[16:37] <cmell> he was making fun of us
[16:37] <QueenVee> where?
[16:37] <cmell> in private talk with me
[16:37] <QueenVee> oh
[16:38] <cmell> I tried to talk sense with him
[16:38] <ZooSpecimen> good one cmell :)
[16:38] * S00P3RH4X0R is now known as I_R_L33T_H4X0R
[16:38] <QueenVee> zoo: i'm just doing a search on the zetatalk site, and if i can't find anything on that, let's put the question on the agenda for saturday
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[16:40] <ZooSpecimen> however the z's say they will help us clean-up if they get the 'word' from the council
[16:40] <ZooSpecimen> ok thx QV
[16:42] <QueenVee> Life in large lakes, as well as oceans, will fare far better than land based life after the shift. This is in part due to the way sunlight enters water, and the susceptibility of land based vegetation to mold and bugs and physical assult and the like. Seaweed will not find more assults than before, but will find more nutrients.
[16:42] <QueenVee> Where the sunlight may be less, they can parlay any growth upwards, using all sunlight, where land based vegetation finds itself decimated periodically, having to start over, etc.
[16:42] <WG> cmell, if you could have a child right now, would you? (sorry if I sound too personal)
[16:43] <ZooSpecimen> if its ok to fish, i will catch some for you qv :) (it should help supplement the diet of bugs) :)
[16:43] <QueenVee> zoo: can you email that question to me so i don't forget: queenvee59@hotmail.com
[16:43] <cmell> WG If it would be with a woman I'd love, no
[16:43] <ZooSpecimen> k
[16:43] <cmell> but thats because of the shift
[16:44] <cmell> :(
[16:44] <WG> cmell, your answer doesn' make sense to me ...
[16:44] <cmell> why not
[16:44] <cmell> ?
[16:44] <QueenVee> cmell: did you see this: http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x26.htm
[16:45] <cmell> I'd love to be a father WG, only the shift is in the way :(
[16:45] <ZooSpecimen> QueenVee i can give u my new email as well
[16:45] <WG> Either you want to have a child, or not. If you love/don't love the mother of the child is secondary.
[16:46] <WG> Have you ever thought that someone in the spiritual reams is waiting for the opportunity to be your child IN THESE TRYING TIMEs?
[16:46] <cmell> QV yes I did
[16:46] <cmell> no I haven't WG, good point
[16:47] <cmell> [01:43:08] *Snow* I had some conversation also with obany ..Jur and so on
[16:48] <WG> 7 years ago I wasn' thinking about children or any other such big responsibility. But one night I had a strange dream: everything was black and I heard I voice.
[16:48] <QueenVee> who is cmell?
[16:48] <QueenVee> cmell: who is Snow?
[16:49] <cmell> Snow is ~email@213.227.147.161 * anonymous@dontknow.com
[16:49] <cmell> Snow on #poleshiftdiscussion
[16:49] <cmell> Snow using SanAntonio.TX.US.FunNet.Org and in the darkness bind them...
[16:49] <cmell> Snow has been idle 3mins 6secs, signed on Wed Dec 18 01:36:33
[16:49] <cmell> Snow End of /WHOIS list.
[16:49] <cmell> QV I am who I am :)
[16:49] <ZooSpecimen> has anyone read universal vision - Scott Mandelker ??
[16:50] <cmell> nope sorry Zoo
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[16:51] <cmell> hhhmmm I was just about to kick
[16:51] <cmell> hehe
[16:51] <ZooSpecimen> good book i'm halfway through it's the spiritial version of what going on here , fits perfectly with zetatalk
[16:51] <cmell> ok nice
[16:51] <scooby-afk> lol
[16:51] * scooby-afk is now known as cooby
[16:51] * cooby is now known as scooby
[16:51] <scooby> yikes
[16:51] <cmell> he was anoying
[16:51] <ZooSpecimen> identity prob? ;)
[16:52] <cmell> yes
[16:52] <scooby> i haven't read my logs...
[16:52] <scooby> having PC probs these days
[16:52] <cmell> hhmm sorry
[16:52] <scooby> just checkin in...
[16:52] <cmell> :(
[16:53] <ZooSpecimen> i reformatted my HDD the other day...lots of fun reintalling :(
[16:53] <scooby> i am looking at possible motherboard, power supply or video card
[16:53] <scooby> i am gonna start cheap and work my way up...
[16:53] <cmell> I repartitioned my hd today
[16:53] <ZooSpecimen> me too
[16:54] <scooby> main comp not even nooting...
[16:54] <cmell> heh
[16:54] <scooby> QV: OK, enuff PC talk, guys..
[16:54] <scooby> : )
[16:54] <cmell> yes
[16:54] <scooby> anyone else check out the earth ships link I put out there?
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[16:55] <scooby> they would be an ideal domicle post shift
[16:55] <ZooSpecimen> i bet the Z's have some awsome puters!!!
[16:55] <cmell> I was looking for survival gear yesterday, and still am :)
[16:55] <scooby> easy to build and easy to find parts for
[16:55] <scooby> this is a house you build out of spare tires and dirt
[16:55] <scooby> dig a U into a side of a south facing hill
[16:55] <scooby> and stack dirt filled tires like bricks
[16:56] <cmell> I found this flashlight that don't need batteries
[16:56] <scooby> cover with adobe and have the south wall all glass
[16:56] <ygdrasil> d
[16:56] <QueenVee> LOL -- i was wondering who that I_R_L33T_H4X0R person was.....
[16:56] <QueenVee> it's Ralf and i almost kicked him
[16:57] <cmell> haha
[16:57] <scooby> http://www.earthship.org/edu/what.php
[16:57] <WG> well guys, I have to signoff. Hope to talk to you all again.
[16:57] <scooby> LOL
[16:57] <scooby> Ralf in disguise
[16:57] <scooby> nite WG
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[16:57] <scooby> i gotta go too...
[16:57] <scooby> bbl
[16:57] <cmell> forever flashlight : http://www.foreverflashlights.com/
[16:58] * scooby is now known as scooby-afk
[16:58] <scooby-afk> thank you cmell
[16:58] <scooby-afk> i was gonna ask...
[16:58] <cmell> np
[16:58] <cmell> later scooby
[16:59] <cmell> I'm gonna purchase one
[16:59] <cmell> to have in my backpack
[17:01] <cmell> scooby be sure to think about price : http://www.wisementrading.com/flashlights/nightstar.htm
[17:03] <cmell> I found these links, while you where chatting sunday :)
[17:15] <cmell> anyone know about the chupacabra ?
[17:16] <QueenVee> look up what ZT says abou it
[17:16] <cmell> np QV just a sec
[17:17] <cmell> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx197.htm
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[17:19] <Mugada> G'day all
[17:19] <QueenVee> hello Mugada
[17:19] <ZooSpecimen> hi
[17:19] <cmell> jy mugada
[17:19] <Mugada> hi
[17:19] <cmell> hey
[17:19] <cmell> wrong spelling sorry
[17:19] <cmell> heh
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[17:21] <cmell> wb rnt
[17:21] <RNTHOMAS> Back again... Now I'm at work...
[17:21] <Mugada> what magnitude is PX at the moment
[17:21] <QueenVee> magnitude?
[17:22] <cmell> in regards to light I think QV !
[17:22] <ZooSpecimen> have a look and tell us :)
[17:22] <Mugada> a friend just got a 10 inch scope
[17:22] <RNTHOMAS> Figure it's time to watch a DVD, while I deploy software tonight.
[17:23] <cmell> Mugada, why are you here ??
[17:23] <cmell> is the scope the reason ?
[17:23] <Mugada> would like others to see before they belive
[17:24] <tex-away> mugada has been here many times
[17:24] * tex-away is now known as from_Texas
[17:24] <cmell> ok, haven't seen him myself :(
[17:24] <cmell> sorry
[17:25] <RNTHOMAS> Mugda: Wow! monster scope or what!
[17:25] <RNTHOMAS> I was lookin at a 60 mm scope.. hha ha... Kinda useless at this time.
[17:25] <Mugada> prefer 12 or bigger but will do with what we got
[17:25] <cmell> sounds nice
[17:26] <cmell> is the scope in place ?
[17:26] <RNTHOMAS> Does that beasty have a camera port and camera?
[17:26] <from_Texas> Mugda: how many are working with you?
[17:26] <from_Texas> Mugada is from australia... near snydney
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[17:27] <Mugada> came second hand and some off the stand is missing,, should have it set-up by weekend
[17:27] <cmell> hi fetus
[17:27] <fetus> hello eveeryone!..looks like its been another shaky day the usgs would like to forget :)
[17:27] <RNTHOMAS> Well it would be interesting to hear how you make out...  
[17:27] <QueenVee> too right, fetus
[17:27] <from_Texas> i think they did forget..fetus
[17:28] <fetus> they sure did
[17:28] <cmell> heh fetus
[17:28] <QueenVee> 6.5 in the Sandwich Islands
[17:28] <ZooSpecimen> type the 1st letter of a persons name then hit TAB much better.
[17:29] <RNTHOMAS> QV: Well that doesn't make me very hungry...
[17:29] <QueenVee> hehe
[17:29] <cmell> heh
[17:29] <QueenVee> Zoo: cool, i didn't know that
[17:30] <ZooSpecimen> :)
[17:30] <ZooSpecimen> niether does nancyl
[17:30] <cmell> nice zoo
[17:30] <cmell> I didn't know
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[17:30] <cmell> hehe
[17:30] <cmell> hey jed
[17:30] <jed> hi
[17:30] <ZooSpecimen> hi
[17:31] <jed> what cha talking about ?
[17:31] <cmell> you
[17:31] <cmell> hehe
[17:31] <jed> uh-oh
[17:31] <cmell> not
[17:31] <jed> good!
[17:31] <ZooSpecimen> if more the 1 person with same letter keep hitting tab till thier name comes up
[17:32] <cmell> thx zoo
[17:32] <ZooSpecimen> Jnp
[17:32] <ZooSpecimen> np
[17:32] <jed> QV, just checked out your news site.  very nice, and interesting!  
[17:32] <QueenVee> thanks jed
[17:32] <QueenVee> just working on it now
[17:32] <cmell> QueenVee thx qv
[17:32] <ZooSpecimen> what new site????
[17:33] <QueenVee> ZooSpecimen: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com
[17:33] <jed> i noticed the one about 2002 being the 2nd warmest year in history after 1998, the same year that cleaned our clock with an ice storm up here
[17:33] <QueenVee> yeah...
[17:33] <cmell> yeah
[17:33] <jed> wouldn't surprise me if we saw another one
[17:33] <ZooSpecimen> cooool!
[17:34] <QueenVee> i had a very very busy day today, and am just getting around to updating it now